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| 08:38.27 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:58.31 | alterego | Aloha |
| 09:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: yeah, possibly |
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| 09:04.39 | kkito | hello |
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| 09:11.54 | kkito | anyone knows if is it possible to use meego nokia components in Qtcreator simulator? because right now i need to test every app that use those components directly into the phone, and is so slow to deploy :( |
| 09:13.01 | djszapi | so slow to deploy means about 1 alias here. |
| 09:13.59 | alterego | You could edit the .qml files on device like me :) |
| 09:15.00 | kkito | djszapi: what do you mean with "about 1 alias here" ? |
| 09:15.20 | djszapi | kkito: I set up an alias for few commands, that is |
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| 09:15.40 | djszapi | also, if you do not put the qml file into the resource stuff, you can edit it on the device. |
| 09:16.23 | kkito | djszapi: ah ok, but ofcourse thats not a good solution... |
| 09:16.49 | alterego | kkito: during the dev process it's pretty good. |
| 09:17.20 | alterego | My apps usually check for the presence of a qml dir, if not found uses the in built ones defined in .qrc |
| 09:18.15 | djszapi | you might probably add some debug flag.. |
| 09:18.37 | djszapi | since doint it in a released sw, well, that is just pretty bad ;) |
| 09:18.50 | djszapi | doing* |
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| 09:33.43 | evilJazz | kkito, check here: http://meegoharmattandev.blogspot.com/2011/07/setting-up-qt-sdk-for-meego-harmattan.html and skip the compilation of 4.7.4 if you already upgraded to Qt SDK 1.1.3. That works for me with Desktop Qt, albeit not in the Simulator |
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| 09:36.14 | Venemo_N950 | mwahahahahaaa... DocScrutinizer's prediction was right |
| 09:36.28 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: ? |
| 09:36.35 | Venemo_N950 | they can't flash new sw to the n950 because of some certificate issue |
| 09:36.38 | MohammadAG | the world ends tonight?! |
| 09:37.03 | Venemo_N950 | and of course, they can't obtain the necessary certificate either |
| 09:37.13 | MohammadAG | who's they |
| 09:37.15 | Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: errm |
| 09:37.20 | Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: can i claim bullcrap? |
| 09:37.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:37.35 | Venemo_N950 | they = nokia hungary |
| 09:37.57 | Stskeeps | why are you asking nokia hungary about a developer device? |
| 09:37.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:38.25 | Venemo_N950 | because I have some connections there, thought they can help |
| 09:38.47 | achipa | Venemo_N950: they cannot flash internal firmware to your devkit, if that's what they tried |
| 09:39.01 | Venemo_N950 | well, the guy said that he will be looking for it and contact me... but... |
| 09:39.06 | Venemo_N950 | I have my doubts |
| 09:39.18 | djszapi | achipa: yes, he has been told about that :p |
| 09:39.36 | djszapi | that is why I was wondering why this illegal stuff could be considered at all. |
| 09:39.43 | Venemo_N950 | achipa, dunno what they tried |
| 09:39.43 | Venemo_N950 | but this is plain evil |
| 09:39.48 | achipa | the point is you have to have the right firmware for the right device, you cannot mix random firmwares with random devices |
| 09:40.04 | Venemo_N950 | how am I supposed to develop for the N9, if I can't test my apps on its software? |
| 09:40.07 | hiemanshu | achipa: the right firmware (on the download page) wont even flash for me because of a cert issue |
| 09:40.15 | Venemo_N950 | hahahahaa |
| 09:40.20 | djszapi | hiemanshu: it was fixed.. |
| 09:40.26 | hiemanshu | djszapi: when? |
| 09:40.49 | djszapi | right after your complain, I guess. |
| 09:40.56 | Venemo_N950 | so anyway, I want a new software, and I want it before N9 release so that I can ensure that my stuff works |
| 09:41.04 | achipa | Venemo_N950: you can test on it's software, you just cannot flash R&D builds/firmwares to public devices, that's all |
| 09:41.28 | Venemo_N950 | I don't want rd builds |
| 09:41.43 | hiemanshu | achipa: so when can we have one that will be flashable :P |
| 09:42.01 | djszapi | hiemanshu: dm8tbr |
| 09:42.08 | achipa | Venemo_N950: well tell them to give you an OEM one, then (which would of course get them fired, because that is not supposed to be given away either) |
| 09:42.11 | dm8tbr | hum? |
| 09:42.11 | djszapi | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-09-06.log.html#t2011-09-06T13:50:21 |
| 09:42.12 | Venemo_N950 | I just want the version the N9 will come out with, that's all. and I'm told that that version is already finalized |
| 09:42.30 | achipa | hiemanshu: soon TM :) |
| 09:42.49 | hiemanshu | achipa: that is what you have been saying for a while :P |
| 09:42.53 | Venemo_N950 | achipa, as I said. how do you expect me to develop for it if I can't test? |
| 09:43.19 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: why should you developer before a publicly available image ? I fail to understand. |
| 09:43.21 | Summeli | where's the newest image?-) |
| 09:43.23 | djszapi | develop* |
| 09:43.27 | achipa | Venemo_N950: we don't expect you to develop with things we didn't release yet :) |
| 09:43.54 | hiemanshu | achipa: someone here does |
| 09:43.57 | matrixx | isn't there N9's with later firmware on RDA? |
| 09:44.09 | Venemo_N950 | achipa, in fact, the guy said he has a newer version on his n9 than the final public release. I _just_ want the final public release |
| 09:44.11 | hiemanshu | with angry birds! |
| 09:44.27 | djszapi | matrixx: the cert key is hardware specific, you cannot just grab the firmware :) |
| 09:44.52 | dm8tbr | Venemo_N950: I'd expect that N950 firmware update will coincide with N9 sales availability, certainly not earlier |
| 09:44.55 | dm8tbr | just a guess |
| 09:44.57 | Venemo_N950 | achipa, I want my app to be in the ovi store at N9 release day. |
| 09:45.06 | matrixx | djszapi: umm, don't know what you mean. I just meant that can't you try your software with RDA N9 :) |
| 09:45.12 | achipa | Venemo_N950: nokia of course makes builds quite often, so of course someone with the right access level can of course have nightlies or whatnot, but that does not mean that the 'final' software has been QAd, certified, checked, marked for release, etc |
| 09:45.24 | djszapi | matrixx: you can, but you cannot get the image from that and flash onto your device. |
| 09:45.39 | matrixx | djszapi: of course you don't |
| 09:45.40 | dm8tbr | djszapi: nobody said they would |
| 09:45.44 | achipa | no idea why I wrote of course 3x in a single sentence |
| 09:46.19 | SpeedEvil | Is RDA n9 on latest? |
| 09:46.24 | leinir | achipa: really, really, /really/ sure of its obviousness? ;) |
| 09:46.33 | Venemo_N950 | dm8tbr, so, if not earlier, how can I test my stuff on a N9? if I can't, how can I upload to ovi store so that my app will be available on public release day 1 |
| 09:46.41 | dm8tbr | Venemo_N950: RDA |
| 09:46.46 | djszapi | leinir: quite. |
| 09:46.47 | dm8tbr | remote device access |
| 09:47.01 | Venemo_N950 | rda is slow |
| 09:47.07 | djszapi | is this RDA common or can it be personalized ? |
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| 09:47.19 | SpeedEvil | common |
| 09:47.29 | djszapi | I mean sometimes I need a very specific environment, so that is not really go for that |
| 09:47.30 | SpeedEvil | It stays in the state it was when the last person accessed it |
| 09:47.35 | SpeedEvil | Including if they wedge it |
| 09:47.48 | Venemo_N950 | rda is too slow for my taste |
| 09:47.52 | achipa | Venemo_N950: the easiest way is of course to apply to a developer program (NDA et al) they you would have firmware, etc access way before 'the world' |
| 09:47.53 | djszapi | that too. |
| 09:47.55 | SpeedEvil | And it's really not suitable for any but button-pressing APIs |
| 09:48.12 | SpeedEvil | UIs |
| 09:48.24 | djszapi | that is not really nice then :/ |
| 09:48.29 | Venemo_N950 | achipa, I thought I'm in a developer program. |
| 09:48.37 | achipa | Venemo_N950: barring that, you have to follow the 'real' releases - Ovi store already accepts N9 apps, even done with the experimental target |
| 09:48.57 | achipa | Venemo_N950: there are developer programs and there are developer programs :) |
| 09:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | RDA is useless for serious testing |
| 09:49.13 | Venemo_N950 | achipa, I also have an nda about not disclosing any deficiencies. but as I said, I don't want any internal stuff, just the final release |
| 09:49.40 | achipa | Venemo_N950: as said, it doesn't exist yet, if it did, it would be out |
| 09:49.53 | achipa | if someone says they have the final, they are making things up |
| 09:49.55 | Venemo_N950 | and don't tell me that the final sw isn't QAd one week before the public release |
| 09:51.05 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: you are missing the testing bit. |
| 09:51.05 | achipa | the point is it becomes final effectively on release - until then, it can be revoked, superseeded, etc |
| 09:51.39 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: heavy heavy testing, and as achipa said, if there is something important, they fix it before the release. |
| 09:51.53 | djszapi | or at least they know it in advance. |
| 09:52.04 | Venemo_N950 | mhmmmm |
| 09:52.15 | kkito | evilJazz: thx, i will try later :) |
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| 09:53.09 | Venemo_N950 | mhmm |
| 09:53.09 | Venemo_N950 | ok |
| 09:53.16 | Venemo_N950 | achipa, in this case, how can he say he has newer sw than the final? |
| 09:53.28 | djszapi | who is "he" ? |
| 09:53.50 | djszapi | the guy who wanted to make illegal thing ? :D |
| 09:54.00 | macmaN | they're all liars and thieves |
| 09:54.08 | macmaN | those illegal thing makers |
| 09:54.38 | macmaN | and responsible for global warming |
| 09:54.56 | achipa | ran away |
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| 09:55.03 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: seriously, do not deal with that guy, just wait 1 or so week. That is the safest and legal way of doing it. I do not think one week or so is worth risking it. |
| 09:55.18 | Venemo_N950 | sorry, I got disconnected |
| 09:55.42 | Venemo_N950 | as I said... I'm not looking for anything illegal. |
| 09:56.15 | achipa | Venemo_N950: probably wants to show off :) since there is no final release (yet) |
| 09:56.39 | Venemo_N950 | but I still don't understand all this secrecy regarding the softwares |
| 09:56.39 | achipa | Venemo_N950: if it has not been signed off as public release by Nokia, distributing/using it *is* illegal |
| 09:56.47 | achipa | (company property, yadda yadda) |
| 09:56.54 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: don't you find it funny there is no public image yet, but one hungarian guy will solve everything for you ? :) |
| 09:57.26 | Venemo_N950 | what happened to 'release early, release often'? |
| 09:57.44 | Stskeeps | never been the case for nokia |
| 09:57.50 | djszapi | you can see the result of that in case of meego.... complete disappointments almost ever week. |
| 09:57.50 | Stskeeps | at least externally |
| 09:57.56 | djszapi | every* |
| 09:58.13 | achipa | Venemo_N950: that's for sources, which you sort of do have, gitorious and all |
| 09:58.19 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, wouldn't surprise me. |
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| 09:58.37 | achipa | 'real' firmwares simply cannot be made on that basis due to the legal/procedural questions involved |
| 09:58.44 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, you are a hungarian guy too, and you've also solved lots of stuff for me |
| 09:58.57 | Ans5i | is this the ice cream bar? |
| 09:59.05 | achipa | no, that's at #android |
| 09:59.18 | Ans5i | ok thanks :) |
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| 09:59.41 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: lot of certicaite and prodecural stuff as achipa said :) |
| 09:59.44 | djszapi | certificate* |
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| 10:00.03 | Ans5i | just kidding. :) |
| 10:00.05 | djszapi | do not forget, it is just a developer device, so not even the main target of the daily/weekly happenings about the certificate. |
| 10:00.18 | Venemo_N950 | achipa, I believe you |
| 10:00.34 | Venemo_N950 | yepp |
| 10:01.43 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, achipa, again, I don't want to do anthing illegal, just an opportunity to test on new sw |
| 10:01.50 | Venemo_N950 | with a device |
| 10:02.06 | Stskeeps | patience |
| 10:02.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:02.26 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: but you will have this opportunity :) |
| 10:03.11 | achipa | Venemo_N950: a little patience will make it not be illegal :) but I understand the frustration - it's not that far off now (yes, yes, soon TM, you know the drill) |
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| 10:05.21 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: you can review my irc chatter patches in the meantime ;-) |
| 10:06.21 | Venemo_N950 | so anyway... achipa, how can I register to such a program that you described? |
| 10:07.35 | achipa | for example through your good friends at Nokia Developer :) |
| 10:07.45 | achipa | though such arrangements are mostly reserved for companies |
| 10:09.15 | Venemo_N950 | achipa, oh. |
| 10:09.15 | Venemo_N950 | achipa, are you my good friend? :) |
| 10:09.51 | achipa | are you launchpad pro member with a good Ovi store background ? :) |
| 10:10.27 | hiemanshu | achipa: what is the equivalent of that in beers? :P |
| 10:10.33 | achipa | :P |
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| 10:12.49 | achipa | but anyway, you can request that sort of thing through the launchpad program, but if one just says "I wantz new firmw4r3zz" then it won't get far. Say "I'm the publisher of X Y and Z on Ovi Store and would like to test/use features in latest firmwares and willing to sign the necessary agreements" and it's a different story |
| 10:14.20 | Venemo_N950 | mhm |
| 10:14.36 | Venemo_N950 | I just want to give tested apps to my users |
| 10:14.41 | matrixx | achipa: how long is the queue to be accepted as launchpad member? |
| 10:14.50 | matrixx | achipa: been waiting very long now :) |
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| 10:15.10 | Venemo_N950 | not interested in internal testing builds... |
| 10:15.10 | Venemo_N950 | I can make my own bugs if I want bugs... |
| 10:15.36 | achipa | matrixx: way too long, I know |
| 10:16.05 | matrixx | achipa: ok, so, a bit more waiting then :) |
| 10:16.56 | achipa | matrixx: sadly yes, it's not something I can affect, there are zillions of applications and there is apparently a lot of manual work involved |
| 10:17.15 | matrixx | achipa: I know, just took my chances ;) |
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| 10:17.41 | matrixx | achipa: I've actually finished the project I applied with, I think I need to make another application with a newer project |
| 10:18.04 | achipa | just name your company "Extreme Artists" and use the short EA everywhere, that usually helps ;) |
| 10:18.39 | matrixx | haha :D |
| 10:24.53 | hiemanshu | achipa: I should start a company called minisoft then :P |
| 10:24.57 | hiemanshu | or macrosoft :P |
| 10:25.17 | hiemanshu | oh wait, someone beat me to it |
| 10:25.22 | hiemanshu | http://www.macrosoftindia.com/ |
| 10:25.31 | matrixx | :D |
| 10:26.47 | matrixx | I guess there'll be already Nanosoft, Minisoft, Midisoft etc already |
| 10:26.52 | matrixx | -already |
| 10:27.23 | RST38h | ahhaha |
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| 10:42.48 | Venemo_N950 | fvck, n950 disconnected again |
| 10:46.15 | SpeedEvil | Mictusoft. Or would that be taking the piss? |
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| 11:43.59 | kkito | develop with qtcreator+qml+n950 sucks... I expect a good update on the official sdk in a future :( |
| 11:44.33 | kkito | it is weird that i cannot test a simple fucking app in my desktop before deploying into the device |
| 11:45.39 | SpeedEvil | suspects that may be optimistic. |
| 11:45.58 | SpeedEvil | Nokia are not putting their full corporate effort behing harmattan. |
| 11:46.10 | SpeedEvil | A large number of people have been laid off. |
| 11:46.19 | SpeedEvil | I'd like to believe that it'll happen, of course. |
| 11:46.24 | kkito | I expend a lot of time in Qt creator las weeks and I got nothing working properly |
| 11:46.33 | kkito | And i am not a newbe programmer... |
| 11:46.51 | evilJazz | well, did you try the link I posted earlier? |
| 11:47.05 | kkito | evilJazz there are only builds for linux |
| 11:47.20 | kkito | and i was not able to build it for windows easy |
| 11:47.24 | evilJazz | okay |
| 11:47.50 | kkito | anyways i will try in home because in my linux laptot later |
| 11:47.54 | sroedal_ | kkito: if you use raw Qt APIs your application should run on deskotp and the device |
| 11:48.24 | hiemanshu | but no qt-components |
| 11:48.40 | hiemanshu | kkito: ofc you can use Ubuntu which has qt-components |
| 11:49.18 | evilJazz | kkito, well, that is why at work we migrated to developing in Linux, because Qt Creator on Windows is such a pain, mostly because the MinGW toolchain is ridiculously slow |
| 11:49.24 | hiemanshu | kkito: also changing com.nokia.meego to com.nokia.symbian works for simple UIs |
| 11:49.41 | hiemanshu | (and using simulator) |
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| 11:56.19 | kkito | but if I want to develop a harmattan app, I want to use harmattan api/qt-component. Using plain Qt or symbian is not a good solution |
| 11:59.04 | hiemanshu | kkito: the symbian components are very similar to the qt components |
| 12:01.56 | evilJazz | kkito: What about a temporary solution like Virtual Box / VMWare Player on Windows and some Linux distro like Ubuntu running in a VM with the Qt SDK installed? |
| 12:05.18 | jreznik | what about scratchbox? I saw how-to connect it to Qt Creator (have to try it yet)... it's still Linux but... |
| 12:18.10 | kkito | evilJazz: I have a laptop with ubuntu, I will try later |
| 12:22.38 | kkito | Are there any filter for software published in ovi store? Because i was looking for apps and I spot "nfs most wanted", ofcourse it is not the EA game, it is a "generic blog reader" with some info about the game. It costs 5 euros.... |
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| 12:41.57 | djszapi | hiemanshu: "/set user_name" parsing is still missing.. |
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| 12:52.12 | hiemanshu | djszapi: you mean /nick ? |
| 12:52.38 | djszapi | no, I mean user_name |
| 12:53.06 | hiemanshu | djszapi: you mean ident? |
| 12:53.14 | MohammadAG | how do I fill a list model with data dynamically? |
| 12:53.20 | MohammadAG | the example only shows static stuff |
| 12:53.21 | djszapi | hiemanshu: no, I do not |
| 12:54.10 | hiemanshu | djszapi: what does it do? |
| 12:54.51 | djszapi | set the user name. |
| 12:55.07 | hiemanshu | but we have ident, so its useless |
| 12:55.14 | djszapi | ?? |
| 12:55.43 | hiemanshu | djszapi: what exactly is user_name here? |
| 12:56.18 | djszapi | user name, not sure what you do not understand. |
| 12:57.24 | hiemanshu | djszapi: you mean where it says ~ircchatte@<ip> has joined? |
| 12:57.37 | djszapi | no, I do not. |
| 12:58.09 | Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, see irc chatter code |
| 12:58.24 | hiemanshu | djszapi: then what do you mean? sorry I am unable to understand |
| 12:58.37 | djszapi | hiemanshu: not sure, what you understand user name is user name. |
| 12:58.43 | djszapi | how could I describe it better ? |
| 12:58.48 | djszapi | * do not understand |
| 12:58.53 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N950, MTF |
| 12:58.56 | djszapi | could you please ask what you do not understand ? |
| 12:59.05 | hiemanshu | djszapi: what is user name? and what does it do? |
| 12:59.08 | Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, mtf is deprecated |
| 12:59.28 | djszapi | 1) user name is user name 2) It is used for authentication on the given server. |
| 12:59.32 | MohammadAG | in MeeGo 1.3 |
| 12:59.35 | MohammadAG | = I don't care |
| 12:59.39 | MohammadAG | it's the sanest UX toolkit |
| 12:59.39 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, you mean NickServ user name |
| 13:00.09 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: no, I do not. |
| 13:00.15 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, ok. |
| 13:00.27 | hiemanshu | sorry dont have the time to deal with this right now |
| 13:00.32 | hiemanshu | gets back to work |
| 13:00.34 | Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, if you say so |
| 13:00.50 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: so please please please implement this /set user_name |
| 13:01.01 | djszapi | we are unable to join our internal IRC channel otherwise....which is kinda big lost. |
| 13:01.14 | djszapi | actually a blocker for the usage for me. |
| 13:01.46 | Venemo_N950 | I see |
| 13:03.25 | radiofree | djszapi: by user name you mean the "lpapp" part from ~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp ? |
| 13:03.29 | MohammadAG | IRC chatter takes 5 seconds to start |
| 13:03.36 | MohammadAG | an MTF app takes 1s |
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| 13:03.51 | djszapi | radiofree: no, it is not freenode. |
| 13:04.03 | djszapi | not even any kde related. |
| 13:04.14 | radiofree | oh right, so it's some irc server command? |
| 13:04.29 | djszapi | MohammadAG: my telepathy-idle based IRC client is MTF based ;-) |
| 13:04.37 | djszapi | not usable yet though :p |
| 13:04.47 | djszapi | radiofree: nope |
| 13:05.53 | radiofree | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/chapter8.html#c8_11_2 so it's ident? |
| 13:07.38 | hiemanshu | <hiemanshu> djszapi: you mean ident? <djszapi> hiemanshu: no, I do not |
| 13:08.06 | djszapi | radiofree: not in that sense, how the identification works on freenode via nickserver |
| 13:08.30 | hiemanshu | Freenode is nick based |
| 13:08.37 | hiemanshu | so are almost all IRC networks |
| 13:08.40 | radiofree | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.41 | djszapi | radiofree: but sort of yes, but not freenode wise, so it is not like that it can be hacked around. |
| 13:08.52 | radiofree | so you can identify as djszapi even if you are djszapi___ |
| 13:08.53 | radiofree | ? |
| 13:09.07 | djszapi | mmm, you actually can. |
| 13:09.15 | radiofree | yes, that command works |
| 13:09.41 | radiofree | i'm just trying to figure out what your definition of "user_name" is in the context of irc? |
| 13:09.42 | hiemanshu | or just group all your nicks |
| 13:10.08 | djszapi | radiofree: except that, that is much longer |
| 13:10.17 | djszapi | which is a pain on a phone with VKB like this. |
| 13:10.38 | djszapi | radiofree: mmm, it is not "my definition" blol :) |
| 13:10.54 | djszapi | it is an existing command in irssi. |
| 13:11.16 | radiofree | ok, but for that command username is actually nick |
| 13:11.37 | djszapi | no |
| 13:11.43 | djszapi | my nick is different from the user name |
| 13:12.03 | djszapi | since people can have different identifies on different servers ;) |
| 13:12.40 | hiemanshu | djszapi: did you read the irssi docs? |
| 13:13.13 | radiofree | djszapi: yes, you register with a NICK |
| 13:13.16 | djszapi | radiofree: Also, "msg nickserv identify USERNAME password and then connection did not work for this server. |
| 13:13.18 | radiofree | you register that nick |
| 13:13.29 | hiemanshu | djszapi: did you read the irssi docs? |
| 13:13.33 | djszapi | well, I tend to call the nick what I see on the channel. |
| 13:13.36 | radiofree | username needs to be the nick you registered with |
| 13:13.40 | djszapi | hiemanshu: please stop spamming :) |
| 13:13.41 | radiofree | and it does work on this server |
| 13:13.50 | hiemanshu | djszapi: then answer me |
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| 13:14.17 | djszapi | radiofree: no, that is user name, nick name is what you set on the channel by using "/nick". |
| 13:14.22 | radiofree | -NickServ- radiofree_!c0647829@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.120.41 has just authenticated as you (RadioFree) |
| 13:14.35 | djszapi | radiofree: but as of now, nickserv identification did not work at all |
| 13:14.44 | djszapi | so that was actually breaking the connection |
| 13:14.45 | hiemanshu | /SET user_name Your username, if you have ident enabled this doesn't affect anything <--- from the docs |
| 13:15.11 | djszapi | hiemanshu: except that, I do not have ident enabled for a server I am trying to join :D |
| 13:15.12 | radiofree | djszapi: you register a NICK with nickserve, not a "username" |
| 13:15.19 | djszapi | that would be the first ident... |
| 13:15.22 | radiofree | i registered with radiofree |
| 13:15.34 | hiemanshu | djszapi: ident is enabled by default, if it is empty, its ircchatter |
| 13:15.35 | radiofree | if i want to go into a secure channel based on my regsitration |
| 13:15.41 | djszapi | radiofree: sorry, but I am not keen on calling nick the channel name and also the registration name |
| 13:15.44 | radiofree | i /msg nickserve identify radiofree pass |
| 13:15.49 | djszapi | I think it is good to separate them with differet names. |
| 13:16.01 | radiofree | djszapi: it doesn't matter what you like to call it, that's exactly what it is |
| 13:16.07 | djszapi | but at any rate, point is that, I do not see working solution apart from "/set user_name". |
| 13:16.18 | radiofree | you're not registering a "user name" with nickserv, you're registering a nick |
| 13:16.35 | djszapi | so if it is not there otherwise blocker for quite a few people (including myself) |
| 13:16.44 | djszapi | no... |
| 13:16.53 | djszapi | it is called user_name in irssi, so I tend to use it that way, period. |
| 13:16.54 | radiofree | the working solution is for you to do /msg nickserve identify whater_the_hell_you_want_to_call_this_but_its_the_nickname_you_registered_with pass |
| 13:17.57 | djszapi | 16:13 < djszapi> radiofree: Also, "msg nickserv identify USERNAME password and then connection did not work for this server. |
| 13:18.09 | radiofree | jeeze louise |
| 13:18.14 | djszapi | * /msg |
| 13:18.16 | radiofree | replace "USERNAME" djszapi |
| 13:18.23 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 13:18.38 | berndhs | it's called "NickServ" because it registers nicks |
| 13:18.43 | hiemanshu | djszapi: I have been using IRC since I was 6, I still dont get what you mean |
| 13:18.45 | djszapi | You are trying to say that I did not replace ? Thank you, really kind of you. |
| 13:18.47 | radiofree | and as hiemanshu has mentioned, groups are your friend /msg nickserv help group |
| 13:19.16 | radiofree_ | that command does work on this server |
| 13:19.20 | djszapi | so you keep repeating I should type a long command instead of using one shorter one on the phone ? |
| 13:19.23 | djszapi | ok I am out of this... |
| 13:19.27 | radiofree_ | [16:10] -NickServ- You are now identified for RadioFree. |
| 13:19.36 | radiofree | and on my side -NickServ- radiofree_!c0647829@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.120.41 has just authenticated as you (RadioFree) |
| 13:19.46 | djszapi | 16:17 < djszapi> 16:13 < djszapi> radiofree: Also, "msg nickserv identify USERNAME password and then connection did not work for this server. |
| 13:19.52 | djszapi | this as in the server I tried to join. |
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| 13:20.03 | djszapi | as i I have been saying from the beginning, it is not freenode. |
| 13:20.07 | hiemanshu | djszapi: so you want to /set user_name /msg nickserv identify password instead of /msg nickserv identify user_name password ? |
| 13:20.22 | hiemanshu | djszapi: what is the IRC server on it? |
| 13:20.26 | djszapi | hiemanshu: do not be tiresome pls. |
| 13:20.30 | djszapi | I told more times, that did not work... |
| 13:20.40 | radiofree | what was the error? |
| 13:21.02 | hiemanshu | djszapi: do not be tiresome pls. |
| 13:21.04 | hiemanshu | tell me why not |
| 13:21.17 | djszapi | radiofree: no connection |
| 13:21.22 | djszapi | it is as simple as that |
| 13:21.44 | hiemanshu | djszapi: when you code this part in *your* client, I would like to see the code |
| 13:21.56 | radiofree | djszapi: ok, so this isn't nickserv based authentication? |
| 13:22.14 | djszapi | ... that is what I *have* been saying from the beginning, yes... |
| 13:22.41 | radiofree | username, therefore, is your ident |
| 13:23.07 | radiofree | (~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp): Papp Laszlo |
| 13:23.08 | djszapi | that is what I have been saying, yes...it is for authentication.. |
| 13:23.11 | radiofree | your username is lpapp |
| 13:23.41 | djszapi | user name is user name, indeed. You were saying the opposite, it is nick name. |
| 13:24.00 | berndhs | djszapi: what server is this on ? |
| 13:24.11 | radiofree | because i thought you were referring to nick based identification! |
| 13:24.14 | djszapi | berndhs: NDA |
| 13:24.21 | radiofree | you explicitly said it *wasn't* your ident |
| 13:24.32 | djszapi | radiofree: that is *not* true |
| 13:24.39 | berndhs | djszapi: what does that mean ? Non-Disclosure Agreement ? |
| 13:24.40 | djszapi | I said afterwards actually, it is not like how freenode works. |
| 13:25.01 | radiofree | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.08 | djszapi | 16:08 < djszapi> radiofree: not in that sense, how the identification works on freenode via nickserver |
| 13:25.11 | djszapi | 16:08 < djszapi> radiofree: but sort of yes, but not freenode wise, so it is not like that it can be hacked around. |
| 13:25.23 | hiemanshu | freenode doesn't care about your ident |
| 13:25.39 | radiofree | a private server, however, does |
| 13:25.59 | djszapi | that is what I have been saying from the beginning, indeede |
| 13:25.59 | hiemanshu | and what does that private server run? |
| 13:26.02 | djszapi | indeed* |
| 13:26.02 | fiferboy | mgedmin: ping? |
| 13:26.07 | djszapi | nice to you finally realized it... |
| 13:26.08 | djszapi | see* |
| 13:26.22 | hiemanshu | djszapi: I told you it was the ident, you said no |
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| 13:28.42 | djszapi | no, you told me it is "useless" because I can use ident |
| 13:28.57 | djszapi | and no, it is /quite/ useful and does not block me actually anymore if it could work. |
| 13:29.08 | hiemanshu | <hiemanshu> djszapi: you mean ident? <djszapi> hiemanshu: no, I do not |
| 13:29.21 | hiemanshu | how many more times do I have to paste that? |
| 13:29.24 | djszapi | have you read me extension to that sentence, or are you just a selective reader ? |
| 13:29.46 | hiemanshu | I am blind |
| 13:29.54 | hiemanshu | anyways, done with work |
| 13:29.57 | hiemanshu | goes home |
| 13:30.33 | radiofree | djszapi: you didn't extend it, you just continued to say "no, its not that, it's user name" |
| 13:31.26 | djszapi | 16:25 < djszapi> 16:08 < djszapi> radiofree: not in that sense, how the identification works on freenode via nickserver |
| 13:31.29 | djszapi | 16:25 < djszapi> 16:08 < djszapi> radiofree: but sort of yes, but not freenode wise, so it is not like that it can be hacked around. |
| 13:32.11 | berndhs | djszapi: what server software does that server use ? |
| 13:32.25 | djszapi | 16:24 < djszapi> berndhs: NDA |
| 13:32.46 | berndhs | djszapi:I am not familiar with the NDA server, what is it ? |
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| 13:32.58 | djszapi | nvm :) |
| 13:33.02 | berndhs | djszapi: or is this the CIA running it ? |
| 13:33.15 | berndhs | djszapi: or some stupid company secret ? |
| 13:33.21 | djszapi | berndhs: read the opic please |
| 13:33.24 | djszapi | topic* |
| 13:33.39 | djszapi | "...No discussion that requires NDA please!..." |
| 13:33.46 | berndhs | djszapi: right so you are discussing soemthing that requires NDA, stop it |
| 13:34.07 | djszapi | it is a general client feature independently from any company server. |
| 13:34.10 | berndhs | djszapi: don't spread incomplete information and hints |
| 13:35.02 | matrixx | doesn't matter which server explicitly, many private servers use the ident and password to enable access |
| 13:35.03 | berndhs | djszapi: if you want some software tailored to your company's special secret requirements you should only talk within your company in secure channels |
| 13:35.20 | radiofree | djszapi: so then, what happens when you set your ident in irc-chatter? |
| 13:35.36 | djszapi | radiofree: I cannot. |
| 13:35.47 | djszapi | that command is missing, and I need to main indent for freenode. |
| 13:35.54 | djszapi | * the main ident |
| 13:36.22 | djszapi | I might try it out with the main ident, but this command is needed anyway |
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| 13:37.39 | radio3 | yes you can |
| 13:37.57 | djszapi | well, this command does not work here. |
| 13:38.07 | radiofree | djszapi: now i'm confused, you said you weren't talking about freenode |
| 13:38.25 | radiofree | was confused before, even more so now |
| 13:38.54 | djszapi | here as in at my place where I am setting, aka. on my end, but for sure with the internal server |
| 13:38.59 | djszapi | sitting* |
| 13:39.08 | radiofree | so you're connecting to a private server, ok |
| 13:39.16 | radiofree | and you need to authenticate with that |
| 13:39.17 | djszapi | yes, why would I try freenode ? ;) |
| 13:39.31 | radiofree | why mention freenode at all then? |
| 13:39.32 | radiofree | <djszapi> that command is missing, and I need to main indent for freenode. |
| 13:39.35 | radiofree | what the hell does that mean? |
| 13:40.07 | djszapi | it means that "/set user_name" is not implemented, and there is a main ident screen (actually the first page after launching). |
| 13:40.26 | djszapi | and I put my freenode ident therein. |
| 13:40.59 | djszapi | but nope, it does not work if I use my internal ident. |
| 13:41.38 | radiofree | what is the error? |
| 13:41.56 | djszapi | no error at all...."Connecting page".... irc chatter does not really have any good logging yet. |
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| 13:43.29 | radiofree | djszapi: pmo? |
| 13:43.56 | radiofree | djszapi: you're right, the logging isn't great :) |
| 13:44.36 | radiofree | is there a command line option for more logging? |
| 13:45.07 | djszapi | maybe one for "lagging" ;) |
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| 13:45.48 | djszapi | I do not know, but I would certaily use my phone for servers like that ( which is even related to my daily work ) |
| 13:45.55 | djszapi | certainly* |
| 13:46.29 | radiofree | hmm when changing something i only get this is the first connection, and it succeeded |
| 13:46.33 | radiofree | when it clearly didn't... |
| 13:47.13 | djszapi | sorry ? |
| 13:49.47 | radiofree | where's the source for libqtircclient-qt? |
| 13:50.13 | djszapi | code.google.com/p/libircclient-qt/ |
| 13:50.34 | radiofree | heh "Your client does not have permission to get URL /p/libircclient-qt/ from this server. That’s all we know" |
| 13:51.08 | berndhs | radiofree: maybe you didnt sign the NDA :) |
| 13:52.18 | radiofree | :) |
| 13:52.36 | radiofree | anyway, if you can set the ident, and set the server password, then i'd guess it's a bug in libircclient-qt |
| 13:57.33 | Venemo | ok, this is my fault mostly. |
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| 13:58.13 | maxw | hey guys...any guesses on when n9 will be released? |
| 13:58.19 | radiofree | Venemo: the closed libircclient-qt or the whoe user_name debate ;) |
| 13:58.39 | radiofree | s/whoe/whole |
| 13:58.50 | Venemo | radiofree, my app uses an old version of the lib. reason: the new one wasn't ready when I began the development. |
| 13:59.13 | radiofree | is it closed source? |
| 13:59.17 | Venemo | radiofree, and since the new version is now complete, the author deleted the old. |
| 13:59.19 | Venemo | nope, it's LGPL |
| 13:59.35 | Venemo | obviously not closed. |
| 13:59.48 | radiofree | how come i have to login to google when i go to /p/libircclient-qt, and when i do, i get 403ed! |
| 14:00.12 | Venemo | radiofree, the code was hosted on google code long ago. it was moved to bitbucked some time ago, and now it's on gitorious |
| 14:00.41 | Venemo | radiofree, the new version is available at https://gitorious.org/communi but I haven't started using this one yet |
| 14:01.28 | hiemanshu | djszapi: so you are bound by your NDA to say 'I use something, but I cannot say what, just fix it' ? |
| 14:01.58 | radiofree | Venemo: thanks |
| 14:03.42 | Venemo | radiofree, the author is on #communi and he usually responds to pings, but usually not immediately |
| 14:03.57 | hiemanshu | wait, wasn't communi a client before? |
| 14:04.02 | Venemo | hiemanshu, yes it was |
| 14:04.08 | hiemanshu | ah |
| 14:04.14 | hiemanshu | he moved it out of bitbucket |
| 14:04.47 | Venemo | hiemanshu, he renamed the library to communi and decided to refocus his effort on the library instead of the client |
| 14:04.49 | hiemanshu | Venemo: still 0.5, no newer version |
| 14:06.34 | Venemo | hiemanshu, newer version is https://gitorious.org/communi |
| 14:06.47 | Venemo | hiemanshu, this is a major API break though. |
| 14:07.06 | hiemanshu | ah ok |
| 14:07.26 | hiemanshu | Venemo: so are we restarting or leaving it? :P |
| 14:07.52 | Venemo | hiemanshu, the new version is very QML friendly, so we will start using it eventually, according to my plans :) |
| 14:08.22 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I might be out of action for a bit, still no net at new place, sitting in a barren room in the old house :P |
| 14:08.44 | Venemo | hiemanshu, omg |
| 14:09.14 | hiemanshu | yeah, only thing in this house is a bottle of water, a router, a laptop and me |
| 14:09.15 | hiemanshu | :P |
| 14:09.27 | Venemo | hehehehe |
| 14:10.10 | radiofree | is there any flag to print debug output from libircclient-qt? |
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| 14:13.41 | Venemo | radiofree, not sure, never checked. I think you should ask the author at this point |
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| 14:29.04 | djszapi | 17:01 < hiemanshu> djszapi: so you are bound by your NDA to say 'I use something, but I cannot say what, just fix it' ? -> please please read back, the issue is quite clearly and not related to any NDA. |
| 14:29.51 | hiemanshu | <berndhs> djszapi: what server software does that server use ? <djszapi> 16:24 < djszapi> berndhs: NDA |
| 14:29.55 | hiemanshu | djszapi: ^ |
| 14:30.53 | djszapi | I did not answer for an NDA question according to the topic. I still stick by. That question has nothing to do with the real issue though. |
| 14:32.25 | GeneralAntilles | Those of you who saw Zemlin's keynote at the last MeeGo Conf, do you remember him saying something about a fire? |
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| 14:34.40 | MohammadAG | djszapi, is there a way to have something like a grid of items? |
| 14:34.47 | MohammadAG | QListWidget helped with that on the N900 |
| 14:35.00 | berndhs | djszapi: i was going to look up what the API of that server software, since the requirements are completely unclear from the discussion here |
| 14:35.44 | MohammadAG | right now I'm doing this but it's not working http://pastebin.com/csxYM4hU |
| 14:37.44 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: PM |
| 14:43.30 | djszapi | MohammadAG: Have you tried MGridItem ? |
| 14:44.02 | djszapi | berndhs: does not matter, what makes more sense to check out is actually the irssi implementation anyway. You do not need NDA server implementation details for helping with this, really. |
| 14:44.19 | djszapi | MohammadAG: like the example in widgetsgallery btw ? |
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| 14:44.58 | djszapi | http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/trees/master/demos/widgetsgallery -> grid*.{h,cpp} |
| 14:47.46 | djszapi | mgridpage.{h,cpp} |
| 14:48.21 | MohammadAG | djszapi, more like buttons |
| 14:48.27 | MohammadAG | I don't want a model |
| 14:49.06 | djszapi | I am afraid, I cannot help about that, I would just use a very simple model. |
| 14:49.27 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 14:56.08 | radiofree | djszapi, Venemo: think I found the problem |
| 14:59.40 | djszapi | radiofree: it is pitty I cannot use ident arguement for the connection command in irssi. That would be a good way, and set it in some configuration, or at least an for it. |
| 15:00.01 | djszapi | * alias for it |
| 15:00.04 | radiofree | djszapi: I think it's more related to SSL handshaking |
| 15:00.14 | radiofree | just let me confirm |
| 15:00.57 | djszapi | what I have just mentioned is actually not related to original issue, it is a bit different one ;) |
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| 15:01.14 | radiofree | yes yes, but since it only supports on server anyway, using ident isn't so bad |
| 15:01.48 | faenil | heya :D |
| 15:01.57 | faenil | updates? anything good happened :D |
| 15:01.58 | faenil | = |
| 15:02.00 | faenil | ? |
| 15:02.09 | djszapi | well, global settings is rather bad actually since you can have different ident for different servers. Actually, that is the case with me. |
| 15:02.20 | hiemanshu | faenil: depends on your definition of good :P |
| 15:02.28 | radiofree | well it's the global settings for one server isn't it? :) |
| 15:02.35 | djszapi | it is not. |
| 15:02.35 | faenil | well anything "relevant"? :D |
| 15:03.08 | djszapi | in irssi, you set it one, and any server you try to connect to, will be the one identification happens against. |
| 15:03.32 | hiemanshu | faenil: none, now go back to the corner :P |
| 15:03.39 | faenil | lol |
| 15:03.49 | djszapi | radiofree: meanwhile if you had such an option for the connect command, it would be local scope for that only server |
| 15:03.57 | elpuri | faenil: your game ready? |
| 15:04.19 | faenil | passed the exam :D |
| 15:04.34 | faenil | game's not finished, I have a basic menu and stuff |
| 15:04.40 | faenil | there are 10 levels, the game logic is there |
| 15:05.09 | faenil | I was thinking about releasing it as a tech demo or something for now : |
| 15:05.11 | faenil | :) |
| 15:05.24 | RST38h | moos evilly |
| 15:05.31 | radiofree | djszapi: can you try the latest version to see if that works? |
| 15:05.40 | radiofree | apparently it works |
| 15:05.52 | faenil | now I have to study for another exam (CPUs, multithreading, pipelining, clock cycles lenghts and stuff) and then I'll continue the game (after 16th) |
| 15:05.54 | djszapi | radiofree: well, I have newer than the latest. |
| 15:06.03 | djszapi | and it did not work . |
| 15:06.04 | radiofree | i just built it from git |
| 15:06.08 | radiofree | thats what i mean by the latest |
| 15:06.20 | djszapi | yes, I have that + other patches here locally. |
| 15:06.38 | faenil | elpuri: anyway, thank you very much, it's thank to you if I could make it to the exam with something playable :D and djszapi, and many other people :) |
| 15:08.19 | npm | what's the portable way of finding out what language environment a Qt or QML prog is using? |
| 15:08.54 | npm | aka if i port to another platform that suports qt, $LANG might not be there |
| 15:10.01 | MohammadAG | djszapi, tell me you have an idea on how to hide the scroll indicator |
| 15:10.50 | faenil | isn't it a scroll decorator element? |
| 15:10.54 | faenil | visible = false? |
| 15:11.54 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.39 | elpuri | npm: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qlocale.html#system |
| 15:12.41 | faenil | can u read me guys? |
| 15:12.59 | hiemanshu | faenil: no |
| 15:12.59 | elpuri | faenil: yeah |
| 15:13.08 | faenil | ok |
| 15:13.14 | elpuri | 50% packet loss |
| 15:13.22 | faenil | wow |
| 15:14.07 | faenil | did you read |
| 15:14.08 | faenil | elpuri: anyway, thank you very much, it's thank to you if I could make it to the exam with something playable :D and djszapi, and many other people :) |
| 15:14.13 | faenil | ? |
| 15:14.21 | faenil | just making sure it arrived lol |
| 15:14.22 | Ans5i | npm you might want to use harmattan's own locale stuff |
| 15:14.31 | MohammadAG | MTF... |
| 15:16.18 | faenil | be back later, don't like packet loss xD |
| 15:19.42 | MohammadAG | oh nice, no web view in MTF |
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| 15:23.25 | djszapi | MohammadAG: the reason is obvious for that, though and understandable. |
| 15:24.37 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: just use QML |
| 15:24.56 | djszapi | hiemanshu: qml will not be any better if MTF does not have it... |
| 15:25.15 | hiemanshu | djszapi: there is webview in QML |
| 15:25.27 | djszapi | which is not look'n'feel thanks... |
| 15:25.27 | hiemanshu | You can use WebKit 2 or 1 |
| 15:25.32 | djszapi | we can use pure Qt in cpp as well.... |
| 15:25.52 | hiemanshu | ugh, why do I even bother |
| 15:37.33 | MohammadAG | QGraphicsWebView works |
| 15:37.57 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, MTF is faster :p |
| 15:38.36 | djszapi | MohammadAG: what is your application supposed to do ? What use case do you try to cover ? |
| 15:39.17 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you mean startup |
| 15:40.12 | MohammadAG | Sociality MTF |
| 15:40.27 | MohammadAG | no, I mean everything |
| 15:40.27 | MohammadAG | it uses less RAM too |
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| 15:40.44 | hiemanshu | less RAM doesn't mean faster :P |
| 15:41.22 | MohammadAG | I said too, not that it's faster cause it uses RAM |
| 15:41.45 | npm | elpuri and Ans5i thanks... for http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qlocale.html#system what method do i call to get back language names like "en-US" "en-GB" etc |
| 15:42.07 | djszapi | hiemanshu: however less RAM usage can mean faster though after all |
| 15:43.10 | MohammadAG | I find it easier to develop in C++ too |
| 15:43.22 | MohammadAG | rather than developing in some interpretted language that uses a compiled backend |
| 15:44.10 | djszapi | I think C++ is easier because of that, and also because it is not moving target like QML with couple of missing things. |
| 15:44.33 | MohammadAG | also, most porting is copy & paste with MTF |
| 15:44.47 | RST38h | decided against MTF |
| 15:45.13 | RST38h | Damn thing requires changing all the code from Q* to M*, making it useless for anything but Harmattan |
| 15:45.33 | MohammadAG | RST38h, hey, Qt C++ code was promised as write once deploy everywhere |
| 15:45.47 | MohammadAG | the way I say it, is write once, rewrite another time, deploy everywhere |
| 15:46.01 | RST38h | Mohammad: and it more or less works this way |
| 15:46.07 | RST38h | MTF stuff will not =( |
| 15:46.21 | MohammadAG | we had to rewrite to QML anyway |
| 15:46.31 | djszapi | qt components does not work this way yet |
| 15:46.31 | RST38h | yea |
| 15:46.50 | RST38h | QML actually has separate sets of components for Meego and Harmattan |
| 15:46.55 | RST38h | probably for desktop as well |
| 15:47.06 | djszapi | no, that is components, not the language itself. |
| 15:47.21 | RST38h | does not matter to the app programmer |
| 15:47.25 | djszapi | not even qt quick. |
| 15:47.37 | djszapi | Actually it matters a lot. |
| 15:47.49 | RST38h | whatever part of the framework changes, you sitll have to redo your code for each platform |
| 15:47.49 | djszapi | since qt components does not allow me to write cross-platform application yet. |
| 15:47.52 | achipa | thinks about blogging about cross-platform vs platform-agnostic |
| 15:48.00 | RST38h | as I said, you are fucked either way |
| 15:48.25 | MohammadAG | RST38h, exactly |
| 15:48.28 | achipa | people tend to say cross-platform while meaning platform agnostic |
| 15:48.29 | hiemanshu | achipa: just theme QWidgets, and we will all be happy |
| 15:48.42 | MohammadAG | and I'd rather be fucked with compiled code rather than interpreted code |
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| 15:48.49 | trx | hm |
| 15:48.50 | trx | how can i use a custom icon in ToolIcon item? |
| 15:49.02 | djszapi | achipa: we did not mention the Ui redesign, we spoke about the element will be the same :) |
| 15:49.02 | berndhs | achipa: correct, but you can't do that either with any of the component sets |
| 15:49.11 | MohammadAG | RST38h, plus you'll need redistributable graphics |
| 15:49.19 | RST38h | that too |
| 15:49.19 | djszapi | achipa: and I think that is not something we cannot expect from qt-components after a while. |
| 15:49.22 | achipa | hiemanshu: I do believe that would be a compromise that would do more harm than good |
| 15:49.46 | hiemanshu | achipa: harm? what kind? |
| 15:49.48 | djszapi | (same as in your code) |
| 15:50.05 | achipa | berndhs: you can do cross-platform, see QtInfo for over-the-top-cross-platformness |
| 15:50.38 | achipa | hiemanshu: essentially double the work(around) and throw out any UX guidelines you might have |
| 15:50.49 | berndhs | achipa: well sure you can use the same desktop icon and rewrite the rest of you code :) |
| 15:51.16 | RST38h | If you have to check with QtInfo, you have already lost the fight |
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| 15:51.45 | achipa | berndhs: it's more than that. QtInfo dinamically decides QWidgets vs QML vs Symbian components vs Harmattan components |
| 15:51.52 | hiemanshu | achipa: I have been using qt-components for my GUI, and I am happy, its just that I would have a larger set of apps if there was Qt (from Maemo, and such) |
| 15:52.11 | achipa | RST38h: not check. look at how it does it |
| 15:52.24 | hiemanshu | s/Qt/QWidget Theming/ |
| 15:52.30 | berndhs | achipa: right, so it decides which of your 5 or 6 rewritten code versions to use |
| 15:52.34 | RST38h | ah |
| 15:53.05 | hiemanshu | berndhs: or you could use vanilla QML |
| 15:53.19 | djszapi | that is what I have been doing so far for QML UiS. |
| 15:54.01 | berndhs | hiemanshu: yes that will work, if you dont' care much about theming and looking the same as the platform |
| 15:54.09 | djszapi | and will prolly do until android components are not available. |
| 15:54.14 | djszapi | * are available |
| 15:54.27 | hiemanshu | berndhs: well if you are drawing most of the GUI yourself, that will work yes |
| 15:54.43 | hiemanshu | berndhs: or wait till Qt 5 for better support :P |
| 15:54.49 | achipa | berndhs: still ways better than ifdeffing to hell (which is somehow considered 'cross-platform' among QWidget proponents) |
| 15:55.06 | berndhs | hiemanshu: oh, I anticipate Qt5 could vary even more across platforms :P |
| 15:55.30 | hiemanshu | berndhs: that only time will tell |
| 15:55.35 | djszapi | 5.0 probably. |
| 15:55.57 | berndhs | hiemanshu: indeed. in the meantime I just to QML and some custom components |
| 15:56.01 | achipa | I guess it's down to developer lazyness. You either care about platform UX guidelines or you don't. |
| 15:56.28 | RST38h | the framework should help you abide the guidelines |
| 15:56.29 | achipa | and we all know self-righteousness runs strong with developers, right ? :P |
| 15:56.39 | berndhs | achipa: it's not laziness if you don't want to write your code N times for N silly manufacturers on ego trips |
| 15:56.43 | hiemanshu | berndhs: there are also ways to draw QWidgets using QML on top for the theming |
| 15:56.49 | RST38h | if it is "you have to draw things by hand, so that they match this picture to the pixel", then nobody will abide it |
| 15:56.49 | achipa | RST38h: and it does |
| 15:57.04 | achipa | the point was |
| 15:57.13 | Ans5i | npm: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qlocale.html#name |
| 15:57.28 | achipa | say, harmattan stores settings, accounts in a certain way |
| 15:57.51 | achipa | there is no way the platform cen help you abstract every single peculiarity (how do I know which dialogue of your is an account or settings oriented one ?) |
| 15:58.01 | achipa | ditto for pagestacks |
| 15:58.12 | achipa | so it's not about 'how do you draw a button' |
| 15:58.29 | achipa | or 'does it have an X for close' |
| 15:58.43 | achipa | that can and should be solved on a generic level |
| 15:59.09 | berndhs | achipa: it is a lot worse with QML. it starts with "import com.foo.bar 1.2" being different for every case |
| 15:59.22 | achipa | but when you go to actual user interaction and workflow that might be required to be different, you're screwed, no 'cross-platform' thing will help you there |
| 15:59.42 | achipa | berndhs: that IS stupid, and that I won't dispute |
| 16:00.33 | achipa | but 'if I write a QML I want Qt to magically abide/transform it to whatever ways the platform works' is unrealistic in 201x |
| 16:01.12 | djszapi | yeah, but we should be able to have the same components with the same code in our code even if we need a Ui revamp. |
| 16:01.36 | djszapi | and this is not the point, and that is why people still need pure QML. |
| 16:01.47 | RST38h | achipa: makes me think that using HTML for UI would be more beneficial |
| 16:01.52 | berndhs | with the broken "import", you can't even code to the lowest common denominator |
| 16:02.26 | achipa | RST38h: QML *is* HTML5 without the buzzword status :) |
| 16:02.45 | RST38h | and without cross platform compatibility? |
| 16:02.57 | achipa | berndhs: agreed, common import coming soon (public API synchronization) |
| 16:03.15 | achipa | RST38h: HTML5 has no cross-platform compatibility promise |
| 16:03.17 | achipa | it's a standard |
| 16:03.19 | elpuri | after using qml for more than a year the whole idea of building apps by manipulating a browser DOM tree feels silly |
| 16:03.31 | RST38h | yet it looks more or less the same everywhere |
| 16:03.31 | achipa | you implement parts of, some maybe not, and then hide behind 'implementation details' |
| 16:03.36 | elpuri | and what kind of hoops you have to jump through to get something in the place you want |
| 16:03.56 | Ans5i | css3? |
| 16:04.13 | RST38h | normal css will do the job I think |
| 16:04.21 | elpuri | laying out text is still pretty limited in qml though |
| 16:04.36 | RST38h | uses <table>s most of the time though, they do tend to work better than css for rubber layouts |
| 16:04.46 | Ans5i | yep |
| 16:05.38 | RST38h | Ah, DOW-297.81 |
| 16:05.46 | Ans5i | css just feels pain sometimes. |
| 16:06.24 | achipa | Well, HTML5 is essentially QML with a super-small components subset (putting out the fire with gasoliiiineeee :) ) |
| 16:06.51 | Ans5i | qml is not pure json i think? |
| 16:07.31 | trx | ill just ask again :) |
| 16:07.34 | trx | how can i use a custom icon in ToolIcon? is there a property other than iconId that i can use? |
| 16:08.32 | Ans5i | trx: i have no idea :) |
| 16:08.52 | kkito | do you know when running some app in osx with qtcreator, where the root "/" is located? |
| 16:09.00 | elpuri | well i dunno if i'm stupid or lazy or whatever but i instantly "got" qml, but i still can't do all the things i want in a browser at least without lots of iterations and frustration |
| 16:09.47 | kkito | because I installed the harmattan qt components, but it needs the theme and is the themedaemon is looking for /usr/share/themes/... but, the root "/" is not the system root |
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| 16:10.13 | Ans5i | elpuri: what do you want to do in browser? |
| 16:10.43 | djszapi | elpuri: my favourite thing is that I cannot have a tableview in qml (say. I have a table model, so that to interact easily with that) |
| 16:13.53 | elpuri | well last time i tried to do something i wanted to anchor two images to both lower corners of a page i tried and tried but there was always some problem like the browser leaving some margin eventhough i had (at least i though i had) zeroed all the margins and paddings and whatnot of everything |
| 16:14.37 | elpuri | and then i tried to anchor something in the center of the top of the page and some browsers insisted that the page is something like 16px wider than the viewport |
| 16:14.45 | elpuri | no matter how the browser window is resized |
| 16:15.04 | elpuri | so it always has horizontal scrollbar |
| 16:15.47 | elpuri | i'm not doing any serious web stuff and i'm sure real pros can do what they want and know the tricks to get everything working in all browsers |
| 16:15.57 | elpuri | i just occasionally want to do little fun things |
| 16:16.10 | elpuri | have you guys checked out the QML on HTML5 canvas project? |
| 16:16.18 | elpuri | by some finnish guy |
| 16:16.20 | elpuri | lauri something |
| 16:16.59 | Ans5i | elpuri: i've heard about it. just tried to google with those keywords though :) |
| 16:19.26 | elpuri | http://lauri.paimen.info/pub/dev/qmlweb/test/testpad/testpad.html |
| 16:20.16 | Ans5i | that might have some significant perf issues between browsers. |
| 16:21.41 | Ans5i | http://smus.com/canvas-vs-svg-performance |
| 16:24.21 | Ans5i | ..but certainly it has probably changed since when ^that comparison was made. |
| 16:29.30 | Ans5i | There was also some comparison, http://themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2010/03/22/. iirc when i rerun those with latest versions, the firefox was actually quite fast with svg. |
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| 16:30.33 | Venemo | morning |
| 16:32.51 | elpuri | how is svg relevant here? didn't lauri's demo use canvas? |
| 16:34.31 | MohammadAG | where's the browser's refresh button icon located? |
| 16:35.04 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: end of the url textfield? |
| 16:38.44 | MohammadAG | nevermind, found this iconID icon-m-toolbar-refresh |
| 16:44.45 | hiemanshu | ah, that way :P |
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| 16:56.27 | Ans5i | elpuri: yep. iirc svg was faster on ff |
| 16:56.56 | Ans5i | haven't tested on latest version though. ff seems to be rolling those quite often nowdays |
| 17:00.26 | npm | elpuri: check out http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit-0.1.0-1.i586.rpm && http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit_0.1.0_armel.deb |
| 17:03.51 | Ans5i | i also tested some mobile browsers but the results were crap. |
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| 17:18.15 | Elessar | hi all, does anybody know how to make backlight be always active? |
| 17:18.24 | Elessar | sorry for my English :) |
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| 17:20.47 | Venemo | Elessar, settings, device, screen |
| 17:21.14 | Elessar | Venemo: I mean by API specially for my app |
| 17:21.33 | Elessar | also it's interesting how to turn off that backlight :) |
| 17:21.39 | Venemo | Elessar, ooh, I don't know that, sorry |
| 17:25.00 | Ans5i | there might be some gconf key that i don't remember |
| 17:29.22 | kkito | I am trying the n9 rda but the mouse is not working and i cannot interact with the device. Anyone experimenting the same troubles? |
| 17:29.40 | kkito | any tip to enable mouse in the rda? |
| 17:32.57 | alterego | sighs |
| 17:33.23 | Stskeeps | offers alterego beer |
| 17:34.02 | MohammadAG | kkito, yeah, same here |
| 17:34.56 | kkito | thats weird :( i cannot rerieve the files to enable twitter :( |
| 17:37.59 | kkito | I installed maemo qt-components into Desktop QtSdk and it seems that is working ok under osx |
| 17:38.26 | kkito | finally i can develop harmattan qml apps and debug them on the desktop... |
| 17:40.06 | kkito | it saves a lot of time of testing? but the design tool from t creator is not working with those components |
| 17:40.38 | alterego | Thanks Stskeeps |
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| 18:08.00 | alterego | Oh neat, there's a Qt team ppa for ubuntu |
| 18:08.37 | MohammadAG | anyone know about styleSheets for MWidgets? |
| 18:20.47 | djszapi | MohammadAG: what is up ? |
| 18:21.29 | MohammadAG | djszapi, I need to style an MButton |
| 18:21.40 | MohammadAG | change iconSize to 128 |
| 18:24.25 | djszapi | MButtonStyle#MyButton { icon-size: 128px 128px; } |
| 18:24.41 | djszapi | button.setStyleName("MyButton"( -> something like that |
| 18:32.59 | thp | does anyone have a working GLES2 example that works on harmattan? ideally with usage of QGLShaderProgram et. al? |
| 18:33.12 | djszapi | yes, we have |
| 18:33.38 | djszapi | but it is not a direct code...we have a graphics engine under the game scripts, if that is also fine for you.. |
| 18:34.19 | djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/show/graphics |
| 18:38.10 | thp | nah, i wanted to play around with some low level opengl to understand things better ;) |
| 18:38.31 | djszapi | look into the code of the QtOpenGL |
| 18:39.38 | thp | they do have an example, but it doesn't use qglshaderprogram |
| 18:40.27 | djszapi | qglshaderprogram is not low-level opengl |
| 18:40.40 | djszapi | that is the point about QtOpenGL, to abstract the low-level stuff out ;) |
| 18:41.32 | thp | true |
| 18:42.09 | thp | but it saves me a few lines compared to glCreateProgram and friends |
| 18:44.48 | MohammadAG | <djszapi> MButtonStyle#MyButton { icon-size: 128px 128px; } |
| 18:44.52 | MohammadAG | sure about that line? |
| 18:45.20 | djszapi | I am sure about something like that :p |
| 18:46.08 | djszapi | take a look at the CSS: /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/libmeegotouchviews/style/mbuttonstyle.css |
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| 18:51.21 | MohammadAG | djszapi, where do I put the CSS code? directly inline with C++ one? |
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| 18:52.36 | djszapi | of course not :) |
| 18:52.51 | djszapi | You will have a css file for your application. |
| 18:53.12 | MohammadAG | naw |
| 18:53.22 | MohammadAG | I wanted everything in one binary |
| 18:53.47 | MohammadAG | why isn't there a paintEvent or a styleSheet for MTF :/ |
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| 20:44.10 | smoku | $(ARCH) on COBS contains "armv7l". Is there a variable that contains simple "arm"? |
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| 20:47.55 | alterego | smoku: just check it beginning with ARM? |
| 20:51.53 | smoku | alterego, is there some Makefile ifeq magic for that? |
| 20:52.06 | alterego | Yes |
| 20:52.13 | alterego | But I donmt know it :) |
| 20:52.19 | alterego | Is this a rules file? |
| 20:52.57 | alterego | consults his reference. |
| 20:53.34 | smoku | nope. It's the plain old Makefile |
| 20:54.35 | alterego | Hrmm, okay |
| 20:55.35 | alterego | $(subst, 0, 3, $(ARCH)) |
| 20:55.36 | alterego | maybe |
| 20:55.57 | alterego | Oh, that's substitution |
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| 20:57.24 | alterego | Ah, $(findstring arm, $(ARCH)) |
| 20:57.29 | alterego | That should work. |
| 21:00.02 | smoku | yup. Just found it finally in the manual :) |
| 21:02.24 | smoku | osc ci, and let's see :) |
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| 21:03.18 | macmaN | Stskeeps: uh the arm6v meego derived core means what? its capable of running on n800? |
| 21:07.47 | Venemo | macmaN, yes |
| 21:13.19 | alterego | macmaN: among other things. |
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| 21:47.10 | macmaN | that sounds seckzee |
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