| 00:00.09 | berndhs | i thought the email was in poor taste |
| 00:00.09 | djszapi | alterego: do not forget the fact, we do not provide stable API yet with Gluon. It does not mean it is bad, just for knowing. |
| 00:00.23 | javispedro | berndhs: yes |
| 00:00.25 | alterego | djszapi: :) |
| 00:00.39 | alterego | djszapi: I've got no serious ideas, would just like to play. |
| 00:00.39 | javispedro | berndhs: my spam filter did not reject it, but I did.. |
| 00:01.42 | lcuk | javispedro, I am gonna submit an app to it, not sure what yet |
| 00:01.56 | lcuk | but I don't see why not |
| 00:02.11 | lcuk | will find some kind of awesome simple app somewhere in his catalogue |
| 00:02.28 | lcuk | infact the one I was mucking around with might work |
| 00:03.05 | djszapi | alterego: Also, we have right now only 2d graphics engine. |
| 00:03.09 | javispedro | the kind of apps I'm thinking would probably get millions of downloads but not pass QA ;) |
| 00:05.19 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:07.08 | alterego | lcuk: that ms thing appears to be on the 10th of oct |
| 00:07.28 | alterego | Just found a general mail about a london ms wp dev thing from nokia developer. |
| 00:07.44 | berndhs | where is the market for these supposed downloads, geographically ? |
| 00:07.48 | javispedro | also |
| 00:07.59 | javispedro | will they ever ship the required number of N9s? ;) |
| 00:08.05 | lcuk | alterego, you should have contacted wk still |
| 00:08.12 | lcuk | can most likely get dev device too |
| 00:08.39 | alterego | lcuk: gonna do it on monday. Are you not attending? |
| 00:09.35 | lcuk | i want to, have to work out how to proceed beyond this month though first |
| 00:09.41 | lcuk | before I even consider next ;) |
| 00:09.57 | alterego | Fair enough :) |
| 00:19.46 | djszapi | alterego: feel free to ask us about Gluon when you need help with it. |
| 00:20.36 | alterego | Will do, any work going on with 3D? |
| 00:22.15 | djszapi | we were trying to work on as less hard coded options as possible. Manpower lack is unfortunately always a factor in bigger FOSS projects. |
| 00:22.39 | djszapi | architecturally speaking, there is no limitation for that though. I am not aware of anybody right away working on 3D support. |
| 00:23.18 | alterego | m'kay |
| 00:26.44 | djszapi | I think for instance the asset importing could be done after with 3d effects, but I think we do not support it yet. Since we had a flexible approach, and the game editor is also being developed to not state 2d hard coded things, I think it would not be that hard to change. We should consider the texture memory usage a bit more for that though since that would be more radical. |
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| 05:47.22 | Venemo | ~seen wazd |
| 05:47.23 | infobot | wazd <~wazd@broadband-95-84-185-178.nationalcablenetworks.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 9h 1m 10s ago, saying: 'http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=30705#post30705 <- tada! :)'. |
| 05:47.32 | Venemo | and indeed |
| 05:47.37 | Venemo | wazd's app ROCKS!!! |
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| 07:18.16 | rzr | Venemo: under wich licence ? |
| 07:19.16 | Venemo | dunno |
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| 09:04.26 | wazd | heya all |
| 09:05.00 | Stskeeps | lo |
| 09:05.29 | Elessar | hello |
| 09:06.27 | wazd | We've fixed some major bugs in MeeCast so you're all welcome to update |
| 09:08.42 | Elessar | wazd: what's about SectionScroller at Country/City choosing dialogs? |
| 09:09.30 | Elessar | I was scrolling to Yekaterinburg for a minute, surely ;) |
| 09:12.30 | wazd | Elessar: yeah, all settings are mostly placeholders |
| 09:12.58 | wazd | Elessar: the problem is that we're not using MeegoTouch components |
| 09:13.14 | Elessar | SectionSroller exists at QML |
| 09:13.42 | wazd | Elessar: the thing I really wanted to add is search bar like in contacts for example |
| 09:14.00 | Elessar | I've used it already with ListView |
| 09:14.14 | Elessar | wazd: do you use c++ models or what? |
| 09:14.35 | Elessar | I know that SectionScroller fails with QAbstractItemMode, but I know how to hook it to work |
| 09:14.40 | Elessar | *Model |
| 09:17.05 | wazd | Elessar: our devs are offline currently so I can't ask them, but I surely will, thanks :) |
| 09:18.28 | Elessar | wazd: take a look at this list model with filter ability https://github.com/euroelessar/qutim/blob/meego/plugins/meegointegration/meegoapplicationwindow/src/contactlistmodel.cpp It's already hooked so it works with SectionScroller |
| 09:18.43 | Elessar | or send this link to your developers :) |
| 09:19.11 | wazd | cool, thanks |
| 09:20.45 | Elessar | what is need - you should bind TextField's "text" property to this model's "filter" one, and don't forget to emit countChanged signal for proper SectionScroller's update |
| 09:21.25 | Elessar | I spent some hours to understand why it doesn't work with QAbstractItemModel %) |
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| 10:39.11 | djszapi | rzr: wanna package festival ? |
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| 10:46.30 | Venemo | hey wazd |
| 10:46.43 | Venemo | wazd, your app is pure awesomeness, but it keeps secrets from me! |
| 10:47.21 | Venemo | wazd, it doesn't want to tell me the weather on monday |
| 10:48.15 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:48.29 | Venemo | I see in the forum that this got fixed since :) |
| 10:48.56 | Venemo | wazd, also, feel free to use my WorkingSelectionDialog component which has a filtering search box... or use fiferboy's tuned up version for extra performance :) for the setup eg. city/country/etc selection |
| 10:49.50 | alterego | ponders a movie to watch tonight |
| 10:50.13 | alterego | Might raid my sisters dvd collection whilst I'm at my parents. |
| 10:52.28 | Venemo | :) |
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| 11:00.04 | lardman | morning |
| 11:00.24 | lardman | I guess people have already worked it out, but that competition is kosher according to Quim |
| 11:00.36 | lardman | apologies for the slow update, was a long afternoon and night.... |
| 11:01.07 | alterego | :) |
| 11:01.31 | RST38h | moo lardman, yea, we know since yesterday |
| 11:01.56 | RST38h | not that it is of any importance, given the required 10k threshold |
| 11:04.27 | berndhs | the successful candidate would specifically target the markets where the N9 is sold first |
| 11:04.30 | berndhs | where is that ? |
| 11:05.04 | Venemo | RST38h, what do we know since yesteday? |
| 11:07.51 | SpeedEvil | I had a really good idea - but it's only for the UK - so ... |
| 11:08.12 | RST38h | Venemo: the qt contest is legit |
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| 11:15.05 | Venemo | RST38h, ah, that! thx :) |
| 11:15.15 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, only for the UK? |
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| 11:19.06 | lardman | RST38h: yeah, would be interesting to know whether the UK and US are definitely out |
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| 11:21.13 | alterego | If you want numbers, then I wouldn't write a UK or US centric app ;) |
| 11:23.03 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: Integrating with a UK only store. |
| 11:23.08 | Venemo | ah. |
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| 11:27.42 | ieatlint | this the qtinnovationchallenge? |
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| 11:34.35 | Elessar | djszapi: you've told yeasterday about some synchronization tool, what have you mean exactly? |
| 11:35.17 | djszapi | Elessar: actually I found another interesting project for you. |
| 11:35.40 | djszapi | Elessar: read the N900->N950 migration page, and you can see my hackaround for exporting from files (contacts). |
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| 11:36.06 | djszapi | another idea would be a Qt text-to-speech engine I would use in my dictionary for instance instead of plain festival, espeak QProcess calls. |
| 11:36.37 | djszapi | this QtSpeech is rather poor yet, but would be useful like ktts. Not sure what the architecture design is for the Qt Accesibility project though. |
| 11:37.27 | rzr | djszapi: the speech one ? |
| 11:37.34 | djszapi | rzr: sorry ? |
| 11:37.40 | rzr | about festival |
| 11:38.00 | rzr | i can try to import it |
| 11:38.12 | djszapi | yep, for the time being. However I would like to see a QSpeech engine for these stuff inside the Qt Accessibility project. Thinking of posting it on qt5-feedback |
| 11:38.18 | Elessar | djszapi: can you give me link to this page? |
| 11:38.22 | rzr | i have ton of stuff to be done today |
| 11:39.41 | djszapi | Elessar: http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Contacts |
| 11:39.51 | djszapi | rzr: festival is a hefty stuffy |
| 11:43.26 | Elessar | djszapi: you want to have contact migration tool? should it just get QContactManager, get all contacts from it, import them to vcard file, then open them at other device and push them again to QContactManager? |
| 11:44.07 | djszapi | Elessar: no idea about the internals, sorry. :) I just feel the use case of it to make it from Ui, not cli. |
| 11:44.22 | alterego | meego already has a contact migration tool that should somewhat work on Harmattan. |
| 11:44.36 | alterego | In pretty much exactly the way you described ;) |
| 11:44.50 | alterego | We use it for migrating contacts from maemo to meego CE on the N900 |
| 11:45.34 | djszapi | Elessar: I would actually prefer if the current Ui would be extended with it. |
| 11:45.42 | Elessar | Nokia's migration tool works well for me to import contacts from my 5800 to n950 |
| 11:45.45 | djszapi | not a separate application, if one already existing for this use case. |
| 11:45.59 | djszapi | Elessar: yeah, but that is not from file. |
| 11:46.05 | Elessar | djszapi: hm, how is it should work? |
| 11:46.32 | djszapi | Elessar: pretty simple, N950 has an old image, that seems to import files, so that Ui is fine. |
| 11:46.35 | djszapi | BUT |
| 11:46.35 | Elessar | I can't understand how is it possible to extended existen application |
| 11:47.11 | djszapi | the background operation is a large hack a I do really dislike since you can even import a browser... This option was pulled out on the new images because of this. |
| 11:47.18 | djszapi | So that functionality is simply missing. |
| 11:48.23 | djszapi | and after I got rid of N900, I do not have any storage left, just my PC. Since I reflash my device a lot, I now need to make it from cli which is not nice. |
| 11:49.33 | lardman | is there a spreadsheet app for Harmattan? |
| 11:51.06 | djszapi | I can open excel files with the calligra frontend |
| 11:52.37 | djszapi | so, yes. |
| 11:54.50 | Elessar | djszapi: n950 contains libflite, have you heard smth about it? |
| 11:56.06 | djszapi | apt-cache search and packrat give no results |
| 11:57.07 | Elessar | package name is libflite1 |
| 11:57.15 | djszapi | no result, really. |
| 11:57.49 | Elessar | oh |
| 11:57.51 | Elessar | it's in repos |
| 11:58.28 | Elessar | hm, but I haven't added any sources to apt |
| 12:00.01 | djszapi | which repo ? |
| 12:01.36 | djszapi | obs has zero results for flite, libflite, libflite1 |
| 12:02.22 | Elessar | developer@N950 /home/developer $ apt-cache search libflite |
| 12:02.25 | Elessar | libflite1 - a small run-time speech synthesis engine - shared libraries |
| 12:02.43 | Elessar | dunno what repo, don't know how to get it's name |
| 12:04.21 | djszapi | you can see the link while downloading. |
| 12:05.17 | djszapi | flite site:http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/ -> zero result as well |
| 12:05.18 | Elessar | ÐолÑÑено:1 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ libflite1 1.4-release-3 [14.3MB] |
| 12:10.14 | djszapi | Elessar: true, it is installable from the device, but not from scratchbox or from the Nokia public repository... |
| 12:10.28 | RST38h | still does not understand how harmattan-dev repository can exist without the Packages or Packages.gz file |
| 12:11.11 | djszapi | Elessar: I would not like to use a different engine than a Qt one. |
| 12:11.39 | djszapi | Elessar: We might need for the answer here about that though: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/08/23/accessibility-on-linux/#comment-27459 |
| 12:11.44 | djszapi | to wait* |
| 12:11.47 | rzr | djszapi: depends on esd |
| 12:11.59 | djszapi | rzr: what depends on esd ? |
| 12:12.29 | rzr | festival |
| 12:13.03 | djszapi | rzr: right, I will actually not use festival after all, I think. |
| 12:13.13 | djszapi | I contribute back to Qt Accessibility instead. |
| 12:14.29 | rzr | if some want it please fork that one https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=esound&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian |
| 12:15.47 | lardman | I added flite to the Fremantle repos |
| 12:15.52 | lardman | reads the backlogs |
| 12:16.05 | lardman | djszapi: where does one find the calligra fontend? |
| 12:16.23 | djszapi | Documents text on the applauncher page. |
| 12:16.50 | lardman | ah I see, are the docs editable though? |
| 12:18.30 | djszapi | at least deletable. I am not finding anything for editing. |
| 12:18.44 | Elessar | djszapi: don't you know whuich formats are supported by documents app? |
| 12:19.01 | RST38h | lardman: harmattan repo fromnokia |
| 12:19.05 | RST38h | 86MB though |
| 12:19.24 | lardman | RST38h: do we have .install files yet, or is this a manual edit of the conf files? |
| 12:19.39 | djszapi | elessar: nope without looking into the code, but pretty much all known format I have ever had so far. |
| 12:20.02 | RST38h | lardman: manual edit |
| 12:20.11 | RST38h | lardman: it does look like we will not get a new HAM |
| 12:20.43 | lardman | well that's a shame, though HAM would have been bad news anyway ;) |
| 12:20.47 | djszapi | Elessar: meaning that, pdf, excel, odf presentation, Microsoft Powerpoint, OpenDocument Text and the like. |
| 12:20.57 | RST38h | lardman: you are supposed to install stuff from ovi store =) |
| 12:21.00 | lardman | RST38h: are there any instructons on the wiki for adding new repos, etc.? lists and so on? |
| 12:21.16 | lardman | yeah, all well and good when doing development work of course ;) |
| 12:21.26 | RST38h | lardman: simply edit the /etc/apt/source.d/somesourcefile |
| 12:21.35 | RST38h | you can add your own, apt will take them |
| 12:21.57 | lardman | and do we have a list of repos anywhere? |
| 12:22.12 | gri | Are there any new on a scratchbox sdk update? I hate it's missing all parts of messaging and commhistory-daemon can't be built ... |
| 12:22.12 | lardman | has been concentrating on his own apps |
| 12:22.17 | gri | any news* |
| 12:22.18 | Elessar | djszapi: is there any ability to add new formats to it? |
| 12:22.30 | Elessar | may be I can just create djvu backend for this app? |
| 12:25.51 | djszapi | Venemo: irc-chatter stopped working again... Same connection issue... |
| 12:26.20 | djszapi | Elessar: you need to talk to Zagge, I am afraid. |
| 12:26.35 | Elessar | where can I find him? |
| 12:26.42 | djszapi | #calligra, #koffice |
| 12:29.23 | djszapi | but I would first grep for "djvu" in the calligra codebase |
| 12:29.58 | djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/search/index/calligra?projects=1&q=djvu |
| 12:30.40 | Venemo | djszapi, if you enable/disable ssl, will it work again? |
| 12:31.02 | djszapi | Venemo, if I can get a gold fish I guess :p |
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| 12:31.43 | djszapi | Venemo it is weird |
| 12:32.10 | djszapi | Venemo: my last guess is that, I cannot connect to the channels if I somehow have 2.5, not 3.5 |
| 12:32.14 | djszapi | but it is just a guess-work |
| 12:32.27 | Venemo | weird, it works for me on 2.5G too, but it connects a lot slower |
| 12:32.51 | djszapi | interesting. |
| 12:40.55 | Venemo | but if the connection is not working, then it will display "connecting" forever. |
| 12:42.36 | Venemo | I will add some safeguards to check for the connection state before connecting |
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| 13:12.04 | alterego | Hurp, I should have formatted this ntfs .. |
| 13:12.43 | alterego | How do you back up a 30G file onto a fat filesystem. |
| 13:13.15 | tomma_ | split it to 4G files? |
| 13:13.49 | RST38h | lardman: no but it is really standard debian way |
| 13:13.56 | alterego | urgh |
| 13:16.49 | Venemo | alterego, reformat in ntfs, or any other sane file system |
| 13:18.17 | alterego | Kind of late now I've copied over 300G of stuff on to it :P |
| 13:20.27 | alterego | Ah, I know what I can do. |
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| 13:34.20 | Venemo | alterego, isn't there some file system converter tool? |
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| 13:35.49 | alterego | I don't really want to risk losing my data with some crazy filesystem tools :P |
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| 13:52.16 | alterego | Getting some really erratic download speeds on my server at the moment .. |
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| 14:09.55 | alterego | wonders how long it'd take him to mirror the core ubuntu repositories. |
| 14:10.49 | arcean | i'm receiving _empty_ replies from com.nokia.wlancond, could it be correlated with aegis? |
| 14:11.00 | arcean | where on Maemo everything's ok |
| 14:13.24 | MohammadAG | alterego, should be done before the next MeeGo device is out |
| 14:13.38 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:13.57 | MohammadAG | goes looking for intern jobs in Israel |
| 14:15.01 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: so GSoC this year? :P |
| 14:15.12 | hiemanshu | well next |
| 14:15.13 | MohammadAG | who? :P |
| 14:15.49 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you :P |
| 14:15.53 | hiemanshu | now that you are in college |
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| 15:02.40 | djszapiN9 | venemo, i would hide the # from the user completely, on the query/channel add page |
| 15:02.59 | djszapiN9 | just a selection and name typing |
| 15:03.51 | djszapiN9 | cli geeks can use join, and the ui should be the simplest |
| 15:04.36 | SpeedEvil | It's a pity freenode breaks that somewhat |
| 15:04.40 | SpeedEvil | With ## channels |
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| 15:12.20 | djszapiN9 | mmm, i need a touch friendly reviewboard client |
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| 15:24.05 | djszapiN9 | venemo, mmm irc-chatter keeps crashing |
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| 16:00.42 | antman8969 | has anyone gotten the n950 to sync with google calendars? |
| 16:01.18 | Venemo | djszapiN9, what are you doing when it crashes, and what does the app do when it crashes? |
| 16:09.15 | djszapiN9 | venemo random, but for instance tab changr |
| 16:09.52 | Venemo | djszapiN9, and what happens then? the app just segfaults? |
| 16:10.20 | djszapiN9 | crashes |
| 16:10.49 | Venemo | weird. |
| 16:10.53 | Venemo | never happened for me. |
| 16:11.41 | djszapiN9 | yeah, would prolly need a valgrind analization |
| 16:14.51 | djszapiN9 | i am in an urgent need of a code review client for touch hadgets |
| 16:15.08 | Venemo | well, I can not really test it on the firmware you are using, so... :( |
| 16:15.43 | djszapiN9 | do not cry :p |
| 16:16.12 | Venemo | wants new software for his N950 |
| 16:16.28 | Venemo | djszapiN9, will such software be released for us when the N9 hits the markets? |
| 16:16.53 | djszapiN9 | how should i know ? ;) |
| 16:17.07 | Venemo | maybe you could ask some of your colleagues at Nokia? :P |
| 16:17.52 | djszapiN9 | i do not have a topmanager friend with big ties ;) |
| 16:18.07 | Venemo | then ask the one without big ties :P |
| 16:18.19 | Venemo | joking aside, new software would really help our development efforts. |
| 16:18.42 | djszapiN9 | someone is addict ? :p |
| 16:18.53 | Venemo | :P |
| 16:19.13 | Venemo | well, I dunno what happens if I don't get the new software! |
| 16:19.48 | djszapiN9 | 3rd world war casus belli!!! |
| 16:20.03 | Venemo | :P |
| 16:22.11 | djszapiN9 | i think i will make a touch friendly reviewboard client |
| 16:22.43 | djszapiN9 | very hard to comment on the patch from the browser |
| 16:23.23 | Venemo | mhm |
| 16:24.28 | djszapiN9 | should be fairly straight-forward |
| 16:25.03 | djszapiN9 | provided they have an api and that is clean enough |
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| 16:27.01 | djszapiN9 | venemo crash series again |
| 16:27.12 | Venemo | I see... |
| 16:27.13 | djszapiN9 | prolly something is dangling |
| 16:27.50 | djszapiN9 | valgtind is your friend |
| 16:28.16 | Venemo | yeah, the only "problem" is that it hasn't behaved this way for anyone else, but you. |
| 16:28.50 | djszapiN9 | that does mean nothing |
| 16:29.19 | djszapiN9 | valgrind can report things like dangling without the crash |
| 16:29.34 | Venemo | all right, I will check it with valgrind then |
| 16:30.11 | djszapiN9 | dangling stuff canöcause "random" crash |
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| 16:31.20 | djszapiN9 | it might also be that, the library is buggy, not the standalone code |
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| 16:32.25 | djszapiN9 | crash again |
| 16:32.56 | djszapiN9 | when i would like to see the people list and then i press x |
| 16:33.08 | djszapiN9 | that caused this time |
| 16:34.12 | Venemo | weird |
| 16:34.38 | Venemo | the app has never crashed for me at all, despite the fact that I literally use it every day |
| 16:34.52 | djszapiN9 | also there is anotheröbug |
| 16:35.03 | Venemo | well, I do use the latest stable release... :P |
| 16:35.07 | Venemo | maybe there is something that makes the newer version segfault |
| 16:35.30 | djszapiN9 | if i check the people list out and then i press x |
| 16:35.45 | djszapiN9 | it opens up a query |
| 16:35.54 | Venemo | ahm |
| 16:35.59 | Venemo | hiemanshu, knock-knock |
| 16:36.20 | djszapiN9 | slep his nail with a hammer :p |
| 16:36.25 | djszapiN9 | slap* |
| 16:36.28 | Venemo | xD |
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| 16:38.50 | hiemanshu | Venemo: yeah? |
| 16:39.14 | hiemanshu | djszapiN9: yes, that has been fixed in a newer release |
| 16:39.15 | Venemo | hiemanshu, read what djszapiN9 wrote |
| 16:39.36 | hiemanshu | Venemo: FIXED NEXTRELEASE :P |
| 16:40.17 | Venemo | hiemanshu, ok, get djszapiN9 to update. |
| 16:40.18 | djszapiN9 | venemo also get rid of this geekish queru/channel open ui pls |
| 16:40.28 | Venemo | djszapiN9, what are you proposing instead? |
| 16:40.36 | hiemanshu | geek-ish? |
| 16:40.37 | Venemo | what is geekish in one text field? |
| 16:41.10 | djszapiN9 | i said it more times |
| 16:41.11 | djszapiN9 | who cares about marker, # |
| 16:41.18 | Venemo | channel names begin with # |
| 16:41.37 | djszapiN9 | i would make a selection and just an input field |
| 16:41.46 | hiemanshu | djszapiN9: what do you do with ## chans then? |
| 16:41.49 | djszapiN9 | we do not care |
| 16:42.19 | Venemo | ok, I get it. |
| 16:42.24 | Venemo | so what do you recommend instead? |
| 16:42.31 | hiemanshu | if you are going to ask the user if its a # or ## you might as well have them enter it |
| 16:43.30 | djszapiN9 | simple ui hides as much lowlevel stuff ss possible |
| 16:44.00 | hiemanshu | sure, but how do you differentiate between # and ## ? |
| 16:44.08 | djszapiN9 | so a selection is way more usable |
| 16:44.34 | hiemanshu | ofc |
| 16:44.36 | hiemanshu | sure, but how do you differentiate between # and ## ? |
| 16:45.03 | djszapiN9 | i do not know how it is relevant |
| 16:45.50 | hiemanshu | a lot of channels are ##, and they have channels with the same name with # |
| 16:46.03 | hiemanshu | if there is a selection, how do you differentiage? |
| 16:46.05 | SpeedEvil | But are there any active ones on both? |
| 16:46.07 | hiemanshu | differentiage* |
| 16:46.13 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: #fedora and ##fedora |
| 16:46.14 | djszapiN9 | no |
| 16:46.31 | djszapiN9 | i do not care about this corner case |
| 16:46.40 | hiemanshu | I do |
| 16:46.47 | hiemanshu | and this is not a corner case |
| 16:46.55 | djszapiN9 | corner case, you can write -1- # |
| 16:47.10 | djszapiN9 | and NOT 2 |
| 16:47.34 | djszapiN9 | and always bloating it because of a corner case |
| 16:47.55 | hiemanshu | tell that to gnome, who made big buttons for .3% of the computer users |
| 16:48.23 | MohammadAG | IRC should be IRC |
| 16:48.28 | djszapiN9 | to be honest, it even simplifies the corner case as wrll |
| 16:48.29 | djszapiN9 | and that is why it is rather irrelevant |
| 16:48.29 | MohammadAG | both your points are irrelevant |
| 16:48.33 | MohammadAG | it should be # and ## |
| 16:48.51 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I am saying what you just said, it should be # and ## |
| 16:49.27 | MohammadAG | you shouldn't be the one simplifying IRC |
| 16:49.30 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu++ |
| 16:50.11 | djszapiN9 | made my day :ddddddddd |
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| 16:54.10 | djszapiN9 | so you are basically say it should be crap all the time, instead of just really corner cases |
| 16:54.38 | hiemanshu | if you want to fix it, patches are welcome |
| 16:54.53 | MohammadAG | no, I'm saying you shouldn't be skype-ifying IRC |
| 16:54.57 | djszapiN9 | it is not about patches |
| 16:55.58 | hiemanshu | hmmm, I have a saner way to do it |
| 16:56.10 | hiemanshu | and to keep both happy |
| 16:56.31 | djszapiN9 | if you wanna this crap, just use join |
| 16:56.51 | Venemo | djszapiN9, if channel names don't begin with a #, then how do you distinguish channel names and user names? |
| 16:56.53 | djszapiN9 | please do not make ywo crappy interfaces |
| 16:56.54 | hiemanshu | good idea, lets just remove that window, problem solved |
| 16:57.13 | ajalkane | How about it adds # if its missing, otherwise use channel as given? |
| 16:57.15 | hiemanshu | djszapiN9: like I said, if you have a way to fix it, patches are welcome |
| 16:57.55 | djszapiN9 | hiemanshu i will help zero for a design i heavily dislike |
| 16:58.21 | djszapiN9 | with a design* |
| 16:58.28 | hiemanshu | djszapiN9: then stop whining about it please |
| 16:58.59 | djszapiN9 | nobody is whining, try to be gentle |
| 16:59.26 | djszapiN9 | venemo so any character can be the first or some of them ? |
| 17:00.04 | Venemo | djszapiN9, you can write any character. if the first one is a #, it's going to join a channel. if the first one is not a #, it will query a user. |
| 17:00.16 | Venemo | djszapiN9, I could add a button or a check box that adds/removes the # automatically |
| 17:00.31 | djszapiN9 | yes, so i still stick by |
| 17:01.08 | Venemo | or maybe I should add two separate dialogs for joining a channel and querying a user. |
| 17:01.26 | hiemanshu | Venemo: query to click works, you want something more? |
| 17:02.16 | Venemo | hiemanshu, I mean, two different dialogs with one text field. |
| 17:02.54 | hiemanshu | well nope, lets concentrate on the GUI re-design first |
| 17:03.09 | djszapiN9 | venemo that does not solve the ## issue |
| 17:03.10 | Venemo | agreed, but this could be part of it. |
| 17:03.16 | Venemo | djszapiN9, hmmm, you are right. |
| 17:03.29 | djszapiN9 | nothing solves that, but |
| 17:03.29 | djszapiN9 | my idea would simplofy the 90% |
| 17:03.50 | djszapiN9 | and would also let you type fewer character in 10% |
| 17:04.21 | hiemanshu | lets just make it understand brainwaves, problem solved |
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| 17:05.44 | djszapi | Venemo: so a selection and typing |
| 17:05.58 | djszapi | and (bracket: be aware with extra # with his 10%) |
| 17:06.08 | djszapi | the bracket is now insane there anyway |
| 17:06.13 | Venemo | all right, I'll see what I can do. |
| 17:06.14 | djszapi | it tells me to write one # |
| 17:06.30 | djszapi | so it is even worse how it is anyway |
| 17:06.41 | ajalkane | Irc channels, whenever referenced, are almost always written with beginning #. Having fe. #harmattan to direct to ##harmattan would be very broken design |
| 17:06.43 | djszapi | but the thing is that, you could hide the beginning character in 90% |
| 17:07.02 | Venemo | I have some recent real life issues (GF issues if you must know), so it might be some time before I can even start thinking about it. |
| 17:07.14 | djszapi | no hurry. |
| 17:07.23 | Venemo | in fact, I don't think that writing a single character is such a great deal. |
| 17:07.42 | Venemo | it's only two taps on the VKB |
| 17:07.42 | djszapi | clicking is certainly easier than looking for that character on the VKB |
| 17:07.46 | djszapi | which is not even on the first layout... |
| 17:07.51 | djszapi | yes, clicking is one |
| 17:08.15 | djszapi | considering that, if someone changes the layout improperly... |
| 17:10.25 | djszapi | again, if someone is really addict of "#", he can just use join in my opinion. No need to replicate the same way |
| 17:10.46 | hiemanshu | so, you want to make people type 5 extra chars? |
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| 17:11.05 | hiemanshu | make that 6 with the extra space |
| 17:11.45 | djszapi | hiemanshu: fail to see why geeks could not want that... |
| 17:11.52 | djszapi | just like vi and terminal on the phone... |
| 17:12.02 | djszapi | but that is a really different use case. |
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| 17:14.10 | djszapi | Venemo Venemo_N950 there is another bug :) |
| 17:14.25 | djszapi | if I use an erroneus nickname, it does not report the issue properly. webchat.freenode.net does. |
| 17:14.38 | djszapi | it gives me an error code (say integer number), that is |
| 17:14.43 | Venemo_N950 | yeah, that needs fixing. |
| 17:16.22 | MohammadAG | don't get rid of the damn # |
| 17:16.29 | MohammadAG | it's IRC gdi |
| 17:17.24 | npm | finds actual reference to N950 on nokia.com http://qt.nokia.com/files/pdf/pla-n950.pdf/view |
| 17:17.37 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: also, rather annoying if I join a channel, I do not get the channel in the focus |
| 17:17.41 | djszapi | say, with /join ... |
| 17:19.16 | djszapi | MohammadAG: you are rather wrong. There are already webclients working without that just nicely. |
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| 17:20.17 | djszapi | the first like that I used was 10 years ago or so. |
| 17:24.00 | djszapi | also, this case is not just corner case to have more, but even mostly freenode specific, so #debian-mentors on ircnet, or the harmattan developers on other networks would benefit nothing from it. |
| 17:25.13 | djszapi | http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming |
| 17:26.33 | rzr | hi do gmail's msexchange support do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_e-mail ? |
| 17:27.11 | alterego | Hmm, how can I proxy an ssh proxy through an ssh proxy .. |
| 17:27.26 | alterego | tsocks seems to be f'd up for me at the moment. |
| 17:28.02 | rzr | i packaged connect-proxy |
| 17:28.30 | djszapi | npm: this reference was published after the Helsinki MeeGo MeetUp |
| 17:30.01 | djszapi | rzr: I might need some packaging help when you have time. |
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| 17:57.04 | rzr | djszapi: not before 4 weeks |
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| 18:56.29 | MohammadAG | djszapi, IRC should be IRC |
| 18:56.51 | djszapi | not sure what you mean. |
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| 19:08.42 | rzr | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=30754#post30754 |
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| 20:21.46 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 20:21.49 | javispedro | moo |
| 20:22.38 | javispedro | congratulates RST38h because he need not go through the pains of OBS |
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| 20:25.22 | RST38h | actually, I probably do, for a few of my packages |
| 20:25.26 | RST38h | not for all though |
| 20:25.35 | RST38h | ...To have an associate professor who is a member of the Devils Diciples and allegedly dealing methamphetamine is quite alarming. I mean, it's unusual to say the least... |
| 20:26.45 | berndhs | did OBS make the professor do it ? |
| 20:26.55 | RST38h | javispedro:But look at the bright side - they have got an impressive server farm! =) |
| 20:27.24 | javispedro | right now, builds take longer than on the original server farm.. |
| 20:27.35 | javispedro | or should I say 770 farm ;) |
| 20:27.46 | RST38h | ok, he is a kinesiology professor, which kinda makes it less interesting |
| 20:28.40 | artemm | is thinking about what app create for N9. Something relatively simple as a trial. Anybody lacks something? |
| 20:30.11 | javispedro | oh, I killed COBS |
| 20:30.13 | javispedro | :( |
| 20:30.50 | javispedro | or at least I isolated it... its IRC bot is gone.. |
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| 20:31.07 | javispedro | gives up on COBS today, let's do it the sbox way. |
| 20:31.33 | djszapi | javispedro: what is up with c-obs ? |
| 20:31.53 | alterego | ponders, I want to do a fading slide like on symbian belle in QML, this should be fun. |
| 20:32.26 | javispedro | djszapi: seemingly something broke, it's bot is gone from meego-boss |
| 20:32.31 | javispedro | *its |
| 20:33.49 | djszapi | javispedro: what is this meego-boss channel about ? |
| 20:34.15 | javispedro | it outputs some logs about what cobs does, afaik. |
| 20:34.33 | djszapi | also for the Harmattan target ? |
| 20:34.37 | javispedro | yep |
| 20:34.42 | djszapi | good to know... |
| 20:35.00 | djszapi | Have you seen it useful for anything so far ? |
| 20:35.15 | RST38h | javispedro: you have beaten the OBS? |
| 20:35.25 | RST38h | do you get a bonus for that? |
| 20:35.37 | javispedro | djszapi: yes, BUILD_SUCCESS/BUILD_FAIL messages |
| 20:35.41 | javispedro | djszapi: yes, BUILD_SUCCESS/BUILD_FAIL messages |
| 20:35.46 | javispedro | oops =) |
| 20:35.57 | javispedro | RST38h: nah |
| 20:36.14 | djszapi | javispedro: why is that useful ? |
| 20:36.46 | javispedro | so that I know when the build ends |
| 20:37.05 | javispedro | since even the triviallest of packages takes a few hours or so when the "Updating..." problem strikes |
| 20:37.35 | djszapi | javispedro: yep, but you know that failed. |
| 20:38.09 | javispedro | sometimes it ends up working after that |
| 20:38.12 | javispedro | not today |
| 20:38.44 | djszapi | working after a re-start or in the same process ? |
| 20:39.01 | javispedro | same |
| 20:39.16 | djszapi | interesting, I have never experienced such a thing. |
| 20:39.41 | djszapi | if it is there on that channel, why cannot it be redirected to the log as well ? |
| 20:39.46 | javispedro | ah |
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| 20:39.53 | javispedro | I broke not only COBS |
| 20:40.00 | javispedro | but all of meego.com =) |
| 20:40.04 | kimju | http://isobsdown.bfst.de/ |
| 20:40.11 | javispedro | http://forum.meego.com/ |
| 20:40.19 | dm8tbr | :) |
| 20:40.26 | kimju | the obs has been having outakes during weekends for several weeks now.. |
| 20:40.28 | dm8tbr | that's for meego core obs API though |
| 20:40.40 | kimju | dm8tbr, but that affects cobs too |
| 20:40.46 | dm8tbr | yes |
| 20:40.56 | alterego | It's a ploy by Intel! |
| 20:40.58 | alterego | muahahaha |
| 20:41.02 | djszapi | javispedro: but what does that have to do with Harmattan target on the c-obs ? |
| 20:41.05 | dm8tbr | although the harmattan part uses links to the maemo.org thing |
| 20:41.06 | javispedro | kimju: nah, not the same thing |
| 20:41.25 | javispedro | kimju: the C(ommunity) OBS also needs another server up to be working |
| 20:41.41 | javispedro | that also seems to spend its days down.. |
| 20:41.52 | kimju | and meego bugzilla seems to be broken too. |
| 20:42.15 | djszapi | kimju: that is what javispedro said by all of meego.com :) |
| 20:42.16 | javispedro | all of meego.com, and it happened right when I typed "osc rebuildpac" :) |
| 20:42.24 | djszapi | hahhaahha |
| 20:42.42 | dm8tbr | things are slow but not down it seems |
| 20:42.55 | javispedro | gives 500 here |
| 20:43.02 | javispedro | HTTP 500 error code, I mean |
| 20:43.25 | dm8tbr | https://meego.com/ - WFM |
| 20:43.33 | dm8tbr | it's just quite slowwww |
| 20:43.39 | dm8tbr | same for wiki.m.c |
| 20:44.18 | djszapi | rip procedure ;) |
| 20:44.27 | dm8tbr | if all of them would be completely down my icinga would have lit up ##meego-dashboard like a christmas tree |
| 20:44.27 | javispedro | so, who wants to break his n950 by trying my fmrx proof of concept? |
| 20:44.56 | kimju | javispedro, you got it working? |
| 20:44.58 | javispedro | was going to put it on f.m.c, but since it is down =) |
| 20:45.08 | javispedro | kimju: yeah |
| 20:45.18 | kimju | nice. |
| 20:46.41 | javispedro | kimju: it was virtually a miracle -- I triggered some fmradio code in the policy framework when I was playing with the libresource0 example |
| 20:48.13 | javispedro | sadly, a few bugs still |
| 20:48.28 | javispedro | while the policy framework turns on BT for me, it always turns off when the fmrx app dies |
| 20:48.35 | javispedro | *turns it off |
| 20:48.41 | javispedro | no matter what the user set in preferences |
| 20:49.20 | javispedro | plus Aegis/permissions don't allow apps to touch ALSA so app needs to run as root |
| 20:49.30 | djszapi | that is false |
| 20:50.40 | javispedro | djszapi: try it if you want: "aplay -Dhw:0,0" |
| 20:50.54 | djszapi | running as root is the worst idea ever. |
| 20:51.10 | djszapi | and as we discussed it yesterday, same as on desktops. :) |
| 20:51.48 | javispedro | as we discussed Desktops set an ACL that allows access to the currently logged in user |
| 20:52.01 | javispedro | that includes Gentoo and OpenSUSE. |
| 20:52.04 | djszapi | not really, nope, none of desktops, laptops |
| 20:52.12 | djszapi | * my desktops, laptops |
| 20:52.34 | djszapi | Hence that is probably not the important bit. |
| 20:53.24 | javispedro | _all_ of my desktops and laptops have this ACL. |
| 20:53.30 | javispedro | as well as Doc's. |
| 20:53.33 | djszapi | does not matter, works without that |
| 20:53.44 | djszapi | ok there are 2 people, and there are other 1000 ok... |
| 20:53.44 | javispedro | no, it won't. |
| 20:53.48 | djszapi | this is not a good arguement. |
| 20:53.53 | djszapi | yes, it does for me as I said. |
| 20:54.10 | javispedro | djszapi: strace aplay -Dhw:0,0 and pastebin |
| 20:54.31 | javispedro | you are probably using Pulse's fake ALSA and you don't even know.. |
| 20:54.39 | djszapi | nope |
| 20:54.53 | djszapi | since I have zero pulse installed as I really dislike pulse. |
| 20:56.08 | javispedro | open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 20:56.12 | javispedro | when I remove the ACL |
| 20:56.47 | javispedro | I don't know what your problem is, maybe your version of ls doesn't show ACLs, maybe you are using OSS, I don't know. But I'm _quite sure_ it works the way I'm describing. |
| 20:56.54 | djszapi | well, I have been able to get sound in Gluon for mmm .. 1 year ? |
| 20:58.10 | javispedro | as said I don't know what's up in your system. |
| 20:58.13 | djszapi | javispedro: my distribution ships the newest software versions. |
| 20:58.53 | djszapi | this I do not know, but I am quite sure sounds controversial ;) |
| 21:00.47 | djszapi | The second issue is that, requiring root...well that is just the worst ever since root has far more capability than it should be. |
| 21:01.07 | javispedro | well, agreed. |
| 21:01.16 | javispedro | sadly, GRP::audio and GID::audio are not requestable |
| 21:01.48 | djszapi | Why cannot you request GID::audio if you need to be in the audio group ? |
| 21:01.50 | javispedro | thus the options left are a ) Use PulseAudio somehow, which has GRP::audio b ) Create a minimal root daemon |
| 21:02.01 | javispedro | djszapi: "origin '' does not allow 'GID::audio'" |
| 21:02.29 | kimju | iow, f**k aegis ;) |
| 21:02.45 | djszapi | aegis has nothing to do with this |
| 21:02.54 | djszapi | so your skill is still lacking like hell |
| 21:02.59 | RST38h | aegis is sooo loved here... |
| 21:03.04 | djszapi | policies are defined by OVI as I said gazillion times |
| 21:03.05 | javispedro | sadly, I have to say that yes, Aegis is not to blame here. |
| 21:03.34 | javispedro | as I'm mostly using it to try and gain access to the audio group, bypassing normal UNIX policies which would have just said: "NO". |
| 21:04.01 | djszapi | javispedro: sound plain wrong, if you have access to root, but not audio since that is just about a deny allow self-bomb. |
| 21:04.20 | javispedro | yes, sounds wrong. |
| 21:04.34 | javispedro | but it's the way it is now :( |
| 21:04.48 | djszapi | I do really doubt it is like that on new aegis. |
| 21:04.53 | djszapi | s/aegis/images/ |
| 21:05.02 | djszapi | let me try... |
| 21:06.42 | artemm | Does anybody know how to change wallpaper (lock screen pic) programmatically? Any pointers where to start looking? |
| 21:06.49 | djszapi | javispedro: actually, there is still a better approach than being root |
| 21:06.58 | javispedro | shoot, I'm open to ideas |
| 21:07.01 | djszapi | artemm: look at the settings code, if that is open |
| 21:07.23 | djszapi | javispedro: if root can put the user into the audio group, you could that from install context |
| 21:07.27 | djszapi | if not, that is no go though |
| 21:07.31 | artemm | I know that you can set wallpaper from gallery, but that's probably closed |
| 21:07.56 | artemm | djszapi: you mean that harmattan may share settings code with general meego? |
| 21:08.06 | artemm | I thought lockscreen is harmattan specific |
| 21:08.19 | djszapi | no, I would make a research whether it is open, and if it is you won, if not, you lost. |
| 21:08.29 | artemm | ok, thanks :) |
| 21:08.43 | javispedro | artemm: there seems to be this gconf key: /desktop/meego/background |
| 21:08.47 | javispedro | artemm: but it's empty on my device |
| 21:08.54 | artemm | hmm |
| 21:08.56 | javispedro | well, it has "picture_filename" string key, but empty |
| 21:09.17 | djszapi | I hope gconf will be history :p |
| 21:09.24 | javispedro | it is already history.. |
| 21:09.27 | djszapi | seems dconf will be the go for qt5 |
| 21:09.33 | javispedro | exactly |
| 21:09.35 | artemm | is there any general place where harmattan settings are stored at all? |
| 21:09.46 | artemm | in Symbian there was Central Repository |
| 21:10.24 | javispedro | gconf, but it is partially dismembered on harmattan |
| 21:10.28 | javispedro | it was much more strong in fremantle |
| 21:10.39 | javispedro | I've seen random .conf and .ini files everywhere |
| 21:10.48 | artemm | gosh.. |
| 21:11.04 | javispedro | not sure it is a bad thing.. |
| 21:11.12 | djszapi | I think it is a good one. |
| 21:11.28 | artemm | maybe I just try searching for a .cong/.ini file with .png content |
| 21:11.34 | artemm | .conf |
| 21:12.06 | javispedro | artemm: also inside ~/.config |
| 21:12.49 | djszapi | javispedro: I could ask for GID:sys in the past, half a year ago |
| 21:12.52 | artemm | is going to try N950 terminal and find/grep |
| 21:13.04 | javispedro | djszapi: I was also thinking that maybe I could make a new user for the daemon, and have that new user be part of audio |
| 21:13.23 | javispedro | and if I wanted to go overboard I could even make new fm-radio-access tokens for access to the fmradio daemon ;) |
| 21:13.24 | djszapi | should be simple to test ;) |
| 21:13.43 | djszapi | but at any rate, the desired solution works here. |
| 21:14.06 | javispedro | what you mean? GRP::audio? |
| 21:14.26 | djszapi | I tried GID: |
| 21:14.29 | javispedro | ah |
| 21:14.34 | javispedro | GID would also work |
| 21:14.47 | djszapi | well, that is what I have been saying since the discussion about it ;) |
| 21:14.58 | javispedro | nah, but neither GRP or GID work on my current fw |
| 21:15.19 | djszapi | well |
| 21:15.27 | djszapi | root should be able to put users into groups. |
| 21:15.36 | djszapi | so just do that from install context |
| 21:15.41 | djszapi | and remove it from the remove context |
| 21:15.46 | javispedro | goes read some wiki page I read about new users |
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| 21:18.09 | djszapi | unfortunately, root has too much right :( |
| 21:18.13 | djszapi | rights* |
| 21:18.30 | javispedro | well, I do not like putting RDS parsing code as root |
| 21:18.50 | djszapi | root is still superpowa |
| 21:18.59 | djszapi | unfortunately, it can still destroy your system |
| 21:19.02 | javispedro | but for the current demo it is ok |
| 21:19.21 | javispedro | fwiw, here is the package: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/n950radio/fmrx_0.1_armel.deb |
| 21:19.27 | alterego | Send it over dbus .. |
| 21:19.37 | artemm | actually even if I find where wallpaper settings are stored, modifying it directly without api could cause problems, couldn't it? |
| 21:19.49 | alterego | artemm: check gconf |
| 21:19.57 | alterego | artemm: and no, it should be fine. |
| 21:20.19 | javispedro | if anyone wants to try you can execute it by doing "fmrx -f 92.0", but note that it is still experimental |
| 21:20.30 | javispedro | (where 92.0 is the desired freq to tune in MHz) |
| 21:20.48 | artemm | I thought gconftool should be used when you know concrete file you need to modify |
| 21:20.53 | djszapi | javispedro: it would be nice to see a qt based text-to-speech engine btw |
| 21:20.56 | artemm | ah, that's probably what u mean |
| 21:21.05 | javispedro | djszapi: why Qt based? =) |
| 21:21.18 | alterego | artemm: well yes, or a gconf api. |
| 21:21.23 | djszapi | javispedro: because that is high level for me instead of the low-level festival and espeak |
| 21:21.28 | javispedro | djszapi: there are several free tts (festival?), a Qt API would be easy I think |
| 21:21.32 | alterego | And you're probably talking about gconftool-2 ;) |
| 21:21.47 | djszapi | javispedro: no no |
| 21:21.47 | artemm | ok, I don't know about how to use gconf api, went to study |
| 21:21.49 | djszapi | that is not the purpose so that to wrap them and having dependencies. |
| 21:21.51 | artemm | yep, gonftool-2 |
| 21:22.04 | javispedro | djszapi: a _new_ tts? that's a thesis-level of work. |
| 21:22.10 | djszapi | QtOpenGL does not wrap low-level opengl utils either, nor does QtOpenAL |
| 21:22.12 | javispedro | and you'd probably just end up reinventing festival |
| 21:22.12 | alterego | MeeGo/Harmattan has a nice GConf API through MGConf |
| 21:22.21 | alterego | It's a lot like QSettings if you've ever used that. |
| 21:22.25 | djszapi | nor the archiver and compression classes |
| 21:22.27 | javispedro | djszapi: ??? |
| 21:22.39 | javispedro | QtOpenGL _wraps_ OpenGL |
| 21:22.54 | djszapi | _nobody_ was speaking about OpenGL |
| 21:22.58 | artemm | alterego: Thanks! As long as there's Qt API, docs should be relatively easy to find :) |
| 21:23.00 | djszapi | I was speaking about _opengl utils_ |
| 21:23.11 | javispedro | which ones are those? :D |
| 21:23.16 | djszapi | glew, glut, glee, what not... |
| 21:23.21 | javispedro | ah |
| 21:23.31 | alterego | artemm: no problem. |
| 21:23.32 | javispedro | never used any other than GLU =) |
| 21:23.49 | djszapi | javispedro: so basically, if you get familiar with the Qt architecture |
| 21:23.51 | javispedro | djszapi: well Qt cannot really wrap many of those (e.g. wrapping glut makes no sense) |
| 21:24.04 | djszapi | you can realize that, they do not really wrap low-level stuff, but make a good high level API for these stuff |
| 21:24.08 | djszapi | which is perfectly fine |
| 21:24.15 | javispedro | but I think that doesn't matter |
| 21:24.23 | javispedro | you can still do a kick-ass C++ API that wraps a existing C one |
| 21:24.42 | djszapi | but that is not really the architectural design for Qt, and I would hate it having 200000 dependencies |
| 21:24.47 | djszapi | and just wrapping everything. |
| 21:24.57 | javispedro | but that's a bit of a lie |
| 21:25.03 | djszapi | no, it is not |
| 21:25.23 | javispedro | you don't link with the client library, ok. but you are now hardcoding the protocol. |
| 21:25.25 | djszapi | QtOpenGL, QtOpenAL do not wrap thing. Nor does the upcoming archiver, (de)compressor classes |
| 21:25.40 | djszapi | they will not reuse libarchive, libzip, what not |
| 21:25.41 | alterego | QtOpenGL is actually just about setting uyp an OpenGL rendering context, loading and compiling shaders, has helper methods for using QColor and QVertex classes with OpenGL calls. |
| 21:25.45 | alterego | But it isn't an API wrapper. |
| 21:26.09 | djszapi | QtOpenGL does not wrap any low-level stuff. |
| 21:26.12 | alterego | More a utility library like glut |
| 21:26.14 | djszapi | from those gl utils. |
| 21:26.23 | djszapi | exactly. |
| 21:28.02 | djszapi | javispedro: oh yeah, and the most important thing: reviewboard touch friendly client :) |
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| 21:45.04 | artemm | I can connect N950 as masstorage, create folders and files from laptop and then.. kind find these from N950 terminal |
| 21:45.13 | artemm | where the hack are they created then? :/ |
| 21:45.43 | artemm | is trying to find some folder for easy copying files to laptop for detailed analysis |
| 21:45.55 | javispedro | /home/user/MyDocs |
| 21:46.39 | artemm | that's what I thought |
| 21:46.44 | artemm | ls shows nothing there :/ |
| 21:47.24 | javispedro | unplug the N950 |
| 21:48.53 | artemm | ok, found it |
| 21:49.10 | artemm | funny, the folder I created there isn't shown by ls |
| 21:49.13 | artemm | hidden |
| 21:49.22 | artemm | but I can get into it |
| 21:50.10 | javispedro | nah, you should re-cd into /home/user/MyDocs |
| 21:50.26 | artemm | ah, indeed |
| 21:50.27 | artemm | thanks |
| 21:50.46 | javispedro | basically, the least you use the device while in Mass Storage Mode, the better. |
| 21:54.06 | artemm | that's the easiest way for examining files |
| 21:54.22 | artemm | I copy them to temporary buffer accessible from masstorage |
| 21:54.33 | javispedro | get a sftp client |
| 21:54.51 | artemm | yeah, that is better probably |
| 21:55.01 | artemm | will try |
| 21:55.39 | artemm | I think I found how to modify wallpaper. Maybe I won't even need to edit config files, just replace one or two png files in /home/user/.wallpapers |
| 21:55.52 | artemm | Question is will the app be allowed to modify files there |
| 21:56.04 | artemm | is scared by aegis rumors |
| 21:57.52 | javispedro | quite probably yes |
| 21:58.32 | artemm | something strange happened with harmattan developer library. It moved to a different address and ther's not much refeence anymore |
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| 21:59.50 | artemm | no harmttan at http://library.developer.nokia.com/ anymore :/ |
| 22:00.49 | artemm | and library at http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/ is unsearchable :/ |
| 22:01.24 | trx | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Developer_Library.html |
| 22:01.38 | artemm | no search there |
| 22:01.52 | artemm | well, will just browse then |
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| 22:29.07 | artemm | can I programmatically add my app (or a part of it) to crontab on harmattan (is app allowed to mess with cron)? |
| 22:29.24 | artemm | I am thinking about updating wallpapers once a day or something like this |
| 22:43.32 | wazd | 50x (Server Error) O_o |
| 22:43.36 | wazd | wtf? |
| 22:44.19 | wazd | anyone can reach http://forum.meego.com/ ? |
| 22:45.02 | berndhs | wazd: no, and bugzilla is down too apparently |
| 22:45.04 | trx | no |
| 22:46.00 | wazd | that sucks :( |
| 22:46.08 | berndhs | yeah |
| 22:57.15 | berndhs | how does on add dev packages to QtCreator for harmattan ? I need qca-dev, its not there by default |
| 22:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | artemm: no crontab on HARM |
| 22:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | it seems |
| 22:59.30 | artemm | oh |
| 22:59.41 | artemm | There got to be some way for periodic execution |
| 22:59.49 | artemm | after all alarms work somehow |
| 23:00.06 | berndhs | artemm: yes you can do it yourself with qt timers, i have a silly little app for that |
| 23:00.25 | artemm | timers would die after reboot |
| 23:00.39 | artemm | and even before the reboot user can kill them |
| 23:00.48 | berndhs | right, you have to start the app yourself |
| 23:01.07 | berndhs | well, changing desktop automatically should be user level, shouldn't it ? |
| 23:01.08 | artemm | though if I put timer to daemon invisible on the task manager.. |
| 23:01.26 | berndhs | but it would be more convenient it it started automatically |
| 23:01.29 | artemm | if that's allowed for normal app |
| 23:01.48 | artemm | berndhs: I am thinking about app that would rotate wallpapers |
| 23:02.01 | artemm | like "wallpaper of a day" or something like that |
| 23:02.01 | berndhs | right, that's why I made my app mostly |
| 23:02.16 | berndhs | i want a different wallpaper every hour, so i notice the time go by :) |
| 23:02.29 | artemm | you made the same? :) |
| 23:02.30 | artemm | cool |
| 23:02.38 | berndhs | other people might want different wallpaper after 5pm |
| 23:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | there's cron.daily/ though |
| 23:02.57 | ieatlint | make an app that changes your ringtone hourly to sound more and more angry throughout the day |
| 23:03.23 | berndhs | yeah and particularly angry after normal working hours :) |
| 23:03.24 | artemm | DocScrutinizer: I thought you told there's no cron on harmattan |
| 23:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if it's still alarmd that's supposed to handle cron's job |
| 23:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | there is obviously no crontab |
| 23:04.01 | berndhs | is there "at" ? |
| 23:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 23:04.28 | DocScrutinizer | not OOTB |
| 23:04.30 | artemm | ah, you mean there's no crontab console command for maninulating cron entries |
| 23:04.49 | DocScrutinizer | there's also no /etc/crontab |
| 23:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | and no user contabs |
| 23:05.45 | artemm | then where's cron.daily you mentioned? |
| 23:05.58 | artemm | It should be in /etc normally to my understanding |
| 23:07.03 | berndhs | there is /etc/cron.daily |
| 23:07.27 | artemm | examining it |
| 23:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | well, on fremantle we got alarmd and the nifty frontend alarmed |
| 23:08.45 | berndhs | something like that should work, or auto-start user apps would work |
| 23:09.17 | artemm | actually cron.daily/hourly may be good enough. That is if app is allowed to add/remove script there |
| 23:09.50 | DocScrutinizer | probably you are allowed to |
| 23:10.23 | artemm | yeah, alarmd was removed already at beta http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/Fremantle_Update7_vs_Harmattan_Beta_content_comparison.html |
| 23:10.25 | berndhs | you could try having your pacakges installer add a script there |
| 23:10.31 | DocScrutinizer | the question however is what the script you add will be allowed to so ;-D |
| 23:10.48 | artemm | true! Installer can probably negotiate rights correctly |
| 23:10.59 | artemm | Well, I can add just a binary call |
| 23:11.09 | artemm | and put the actual logic to binary |
| 23:11.41 | artemm | and then it can't check script content automatically anyway |
| 23:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | turns away as this thread heads towards the buzzword again |
| 23:11.49 | artemm | so it is going to be either allowed or not |
| 23:12.36 | artemm | DocScrutinizer, Isn't #harmattan channel correct place for discussing platform peculiarities? :) |
| 23:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 23:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just bored to death about that word starting with a |
| 23:13.42 | artemm | BTW, with all these aegis and permission fears: if I disable developer mode, will N950 behave like production N9? |
| 23:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 23:14.07 | artemm | you know, to test whether I handle that a-forbidden-word stuff correctly :) |
| 23:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | nobody knows |
| 23:15.11 | artemm | funny, so for testing the most peculiar part of a platform I need the actual final device :) |
| 23:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | seems too reasonable an assumpton to be true |
| 23:15.24 | artemm | ok, thanks |
| 23:26.08 | rzr | http://forum.meego.com/ |
| 23:26.42 | berndhs | rzr: go ahead, file a bug, I dare you |
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