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| 07:19.13 | Venemo | morning |
| 07:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | morning Venemo |
| 07:21.24 | Venemo | ey DocScrutinizer, how're you? :) |
| 07:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | yawning, moaning |
| 07:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
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| 07:22.08 | Venemo | :) |
| 07:22.18 | djszapiN9 | Venemo there is one thing in irc chatter that could beöimproved |
| 07:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | and in a hurry that should forbid sitting at kbd |
| 07:23.00 | djszapiN9 | i added a room manually on the initial screen, but it does not connect |
| 07:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | djszapiN9: hi moo, where's your blog? |
| 07:23.17 | Venemo | djszapiN9, weird, it should. |
| 07:23.44 | djszapiN9 | this is because of my syntax guess work |
| 07:23.59 | djszapiN9 | so i proposed an add button for it |
| 07:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-08-30 20:54:07] <djszapi_> ok, if anybody is interested in an easy way to turn off the aegis validator like on the R&D images, drop me a message. I might write some blog about it.. |
| 07:24.28 | djszapiN9 | same workflow when you join the channel |
| 07:24.51 | djszapiN9 | i would just like to type the room ne |
| 07:24.55 | Venemo | djszapiN9, yeah, I agree with you |
| 07:24.56 | djszapiN9 | ne* |
| 07:25.05 | djszapiN9 | name |
| 07:25.12 | Venemo | djszapiN9, what you currently see on the startup screen is not the final GUI for this purpose. |
| 07:25.19 | djszapiN9 | yep |
| 07:25.30 | Venemo | djszapiN9, it's just something I've thrown together in a couple of minutes |
| 07:25.52 | djszapiN9 | must got off the bus |
| 07:26.02 | Venemo | djszapiN9, as you may have heard, previously server/nickname were hard coded :P |
| 07:28.33 | Venemo | djszapiN9, you can expect v0.N+1 versions to have a proper server config UI and a proper identity config UI, similarly to how Konversation works. |
| 07:28.44 | Venemo | brb, gonna eat now |
| 07:28.46 | djszapiN9 | yeah you could well replicate some already existing settings page |
| 07:30.04 | Venemo | agreed |
| 07:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: please don't replicate Konversation's quite limited scripting capabilities |
| 07:35.56 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: ofc not, we will replicate Harmattans limited capabilities |
| 07:35.57 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 07:36.01 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, not talking about scripting capabilities |
| 07:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | does, though |
| 07:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 07:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: Konv doesn'T know how to restart on top of list of alternative servers, when conection drops after successful login :-/ |
| 07:38.33 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, our stuff doesn't really reconnect at all. it's a planned feature to handle disconnections gracefully, but it's not there yet :( |
| 07:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | example: I got network freenode with servers kornbluth.freenode.de and chat.freenode.com. One day I'm on kornbluth as expected, next day (after 24h forced disconnect of my DSL) I'm on chat though |
| 07:39.55 | Venemo | mhm |
| 07:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 07:40.16 | Venemo | meh! my N950 got its first scratch last week. |
| 07:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | gotta run |
| 07:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | bbiah |
| 07:40.36 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, have a nice day |
| 07:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: tighly integrate a proper scripting interpreter (e.g. python) from beginning! |
| 07:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | hnade stuff like reconnects with scripts |
| 07:42.44 | DocScrutinizer | handle* |
| 07:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | will save you a LOT of work |
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| 07:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | and empower your users to augment the app in a really convenient way |
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| 08:01.30 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: well, I did not have time to test it on the public software version with N950, but it works fine on N9: 1) security/aegis/validator/fs.c -> int validator_fsaccess(int op) { return 0; } 2) echo 0 > /sys/kernel/security/validator/enabled |
| 08:04.02 | RST38h | hehe |
| 08:04.40 | RST38h | evil maemo hackers are getting to argis' soft wet underbelly? |
| 08:04.50 | RST38h | aegis' |
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| 08:15.38 | dasch | Hello! I'm hoping to ask some questions about libcontentaction. |
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| 08:17.45 | djszapi | RST38h: not sure what you mean... |
| 08:22.02 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: Yes, we dropped NET_ADMIN. |
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| 08:35.58 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I have no idea how scripting has anything to do with IRC |
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| 08:37.31 | djszapi | Venemo: as for me, ~/.irssi/scripts/, that is |
| 08:37.57 | djszapi | http://scripts.irssi.org/ -> lot of useful scripts. |
| 08:38.15 | Venemo | I am unfamiliar with irrsi, and also unfamiliar with this concept |
| 08:38.36 | djszapi | it is the same concept as plugins.. |
| 08:39.09 | djszapi | pick up what you would like to have, and does not make sense to have default since everybody should not be forced for them. |
| 08:39.54 | Venemo | mhm |
| 08:40.42 | djszapi | in this special case, python is probably not the best idea. I would advise QtScript. |
| 08:41.59 | Venemo | but how does it work? |
| 08:42.16 | Venemo | when some event occours, I run a script? |
| 08:42.47 | djszapi | irssi plugins run during the startup. |
| 08:42.57 | djszapi | or you can execute them manually on-the-fly. |
| 08:43.10 | Venemo | and what do they do? |
| 08:43.11 | djszapi | just like a normal command, explained at the top of the page aforementioned. |
| 08:43.54 | djszapi | keep reading that page, and you can get some ideas what they are for. |
| 08:45.19 | Venemo | I have no idea how to implement such a scripting engine. |
| 08:46.09 | djszapi | well, it is not an arguement, you can learn it anytime, not a biggie. |
| 08:46.44 | Venemo | if there is an option to dynamically load/execute a .js from QML, then that could solve it |
| 08:47.08 | djszapi | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/examples-script.html |
| 08:48.26 | Venemo | well, I think I could add something like this, after I'm done with the features I want :) |
| 08:49.39 | djszapi | sure |
| 08:52.15 | Venemo | djszapi, out of couriousity, does your N9 also drop the connection as often as my N950? |
| 08:52.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: find a *very* simple example how scripting and IRC may relate on my wiki/user:joerg-rw/xchat page |
| 08:54.04 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg-rw/xchat -> There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page. |
| 08:54.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | google is tour friend |
| 08:54.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | your* |
| 08:54.58 | Venemo | meh |
| 08:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 08:55.28 | djszapi | Venemo: never drops |
| 08:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/ |
| 08:55.47 | Venemo | djszapi, that's good to hear |
| 08:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ |
| 08:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/loginhost.xsh |
| 08:56.10 | Venemo | I see |
| 08:56.27 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, your password is 'mypassword'? |
| 08:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | sure for your convenience, hacker fool! |
| 08:56.55 | Venemo | :P |
| 09:03.07 | djszapi | my android phone has just arrived \o/ :p |
| 09:03.25 | Venemo | djszapi, you betray us? |
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| 09:05.41 | djszapi | huh ? |
| 09:07.54 | Venemo | djszapi, so you betray Harmattan for Android? :P |
| 09:09.26 | djszapi | I am trying to find a long term solution (at least longer than Harmattan the days of which is counted - next year) for deploying Qt/KDE applications. |
| 09:09.35 | djszapi | are counted* |
| 09:09.41 | Venemo | ah. |
| 09:09.55 | Venemo | and you don't trust that MeeGo will be of any significance next year? |
| 09:10.03 | RST38h | Android is not it |
| 09:10.14 | djszapi | Venemo: I always disliked MeeGo. |
| 09:10.23 | RST38h | laughes at Venemo |
| 09:10.24 | Venemo | djszapi, that's sad. |
| 09:10.40 | djszapi | I have never understood why that project is good for me (as for me, I do not prefer it). |
| 09:11.12 | djszapi | I fail to see why it is "sad". |
| 09:11.32 | Venemo | well, it's currently the only (somewhat) open project targeting mobiles. |
| 09:11.41 | djszapi | s/open/open source/ |
| 09:11.43 | RST38h | Venemo: actually, no |
| 09:11.51 | Venemo | RST38h, educate me then, |
| 09:11.58 | RST38h | Venemo: First of all, there are no mobiles targeted by Meego nowadays |
| 09:12.12 | RST38h | Venemo: The Meego Handset is all but dead |
| 09:12.31 | Venemo | yeah, unfortunately. |
| 09:12.37 | RST38h | Venemo: Secondly, there are other Linux based projects targeting mobile devices |
| 09:12.45 | RST38h | Such as Linaro for example |
| 09:12.57 | djszapi | yep!! that are the points, Venemo |
| 09:12.58 | RST38h | Ubuntu Mobile |
| 09:13.16 | Venemo | Linaro is not an OS, it's just the cooperation between Linux kernel devs and ARM chip manufacturers |
| 09:13.34 | Venemo | ans Ubuntu Mobile was for netbooks last time I checked. |
| 09:13.47 | RST38h | Veemo: http://www.linaro.org/downloads/ |
| 09:14.11 | Venemo | and? |
| 09:14.23 | RST38h | Looks pretty much an OS to me |
| 09:14.36 | Venemo | there are downloads for Android and Ubuntu |
| 09:14.51 | RST38h | So? |
| 09:15.02 | RST38h | Ignore Android, take Ubuntu downloads |
| 09:15.19 | Venemo | Android is not open at all, I don't care. how is an Ubuntu for a panda board any good for my N9(x0) |
| 09:15.50 | djszapi | but I was not talking about Linaro. That is a great project indeed, but here is Maemo |
| 09:16.05 | djszapi | and Harmattan, what was the sense of sharing the work instead of polishing one up ? |
| 09:16.23 | Venemo | Maemo is dead already, and you said that Harmattan will be also. |
| 09:16.35 | djszapi | Venemo: MeeGo is not open at all either |
| 09:16.50 | Venemo | but it's a lot more open than android. |
| 09:16.52 | djszapi | Venemo: Harmattan is dead because of MeeGo, if you ask me |
| 09:16.57 | djszapi | Venemo: no, it is not |
| 09:17.05 | Venemo | why is that? |
| 09:17.13 | djszapi | if there is no MeeGo, Harmattan can be polished up |
| 09:17.20 | djszapi | and it can reach the market without running out of the time. |
| 09:17.35 | RST38h | Harmattan is dead. So is Meego. Get used to it, look elsewhere. |
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| 09:17.35 | djszapi | MeeGo pretty much defeated the Harmattan time-to-market |
| 09:17.45 | Venemo | which is also sad. |
| 09:17.56 | djszapi | I have never understand why MeeGo was born to be honest, from the day first |
| 09:17.59 | RST38h | There *are* some hopeful developments, even inside Nokia (see project Mietelmi) |
| 09:18.06 | djszapi | at least for handsets until Harmattan is polished up |
| 09:18.21 | djszapi | Meltemi has already been doomed |
| 09:18.23 | Venemo | RST38h, what is project Mietelmi? |
| 09:18.27 | djszapi | but please do not discuss NDA on this channel; |
| 09:18.36 | djszapi | Venemo: you did not hear it |
| 09:18.38 | RST38h | name was quoted in the open |
| 09:18.40 | djszapi | it is not public information |
| 09:18.55 | RST38h | the details of what it is are unknown though |
| 09:19.05 | djszapi | Venemo: at any rate, I have been sad about the meego existence since last year |
| 09:19.13 | djszapi | and it pretty much killed Harmattan |
| 09:19.26 | Venemo | well, MeeGo's main fault is that it failed to deliver any products based on it. |
| 09:19.37 | djszapi | it killed itself and also Harmattan |
| 09:19.38 | RST38h | djszapi; Well, it allowed Symbian managers ot keep their jobs for a little while longer. Isn't it a good thing? |
| 09:19.48 | djszapi | RST38h: Meltemi is a bullshit |
| 09:20.01 | RST38h | does not know what Meltemi is, really, aside from the name |
| 09:20.11 | djszapi | I know, it has been pretty much doomed |
| 09:20.17 | RST38h | But killing Harmattan with Meego definitely helped Symbian people keep their jobs |
| 09:20.21 | djszapi | same silly traditions, anyway. Android is the next choice of mine |
| 09:20.41 | Venemo | nooo, I don't want android. I want something better. |
| 09:20.50 | RST38h | Venemo: WinPhone? |
| 09:20.56 | Venemo | well |
| 09:20.56 | djszapi | Qt for non-android, what ? |
| 09:21.09 | RST38h | iPhone, Venemo. YOu want iPhone. |
| 09:21.17 | Venemo | I hate the iPhone. |
| 09:21.23 | RST38h | But you want it. |
| 09:21.29 | Venemo | I don't. |
| 09:21.34 | RST38h | Come to the papa Jobs, come... |
| 09:21.37 | Venemo | it would be of no use to me. |
| 09:21.53 | djszapi | Venemo: Android is an excellent platform |
| 09:22.01 | RST38h | Android is depressing |
| 09:22.10 | djszapi | the security is much worse than we did, but still a good project. I advise you the neccesitas project for at least reading. |
| 09:22.21 | RST38h | Total mess to develop for. No business model for app developers. |
| 09:23.14 | RST38h | Driven by people with a mission to reinvent everything. Never a good thing. |
| 09:23.18 | djszapi | Venemo: I am happy to see meego might be dropped by Intel. |
| 09:23.27 | Venemo | android's main fault is its java-based crappiness |
| 09:23.30 | djszapi | RST38h: you are just whining. |
| 09:23.36 | Venemo | I WILL NOT learn java for android |
| 09:23.37 | djszapi | Venemo: no!!! |
| 09:23.45 | djszapi | READ Neccesitas, oh come on... |
| 09:23.48 | RST38h | djszapi: I have been developing for Android for the last few months and trying to market my apps. |
| 09:24.05 | djszapi | Venemo: the native sdk is free as in beer |
| 09:24.12 | djszapi | not sure what java you are talking about... |
| 09:24.14 | RST38h | djszapi: So, whether I am whining or not, it is based on my experience developing for Android. |
| 09:24.30 | Venemo | djszapi, well, ok, it supports Qt. |
| 09:24.31 | xarcass | djszapi: about necessitas: can it play audio and video now? last time i've checked it couldn't |
| 09:24.35 | djszapi | Venemo: of course |
| 09:24.36 | RST38h | And do not get your hopes about NDK too high. You will soon find out how wrong you are. |
| 09:24.50 | djszapi | Venemo: and that is the area where I would like to come into the picture |
| 09:25.00 | djszapi | working on Android QtOpenGL or webkit. |
| 09:25.03 | Venemo | but if MeeGo fails and there won't be a better open alternative, I will either 1) not buy a smartphone at all or 2) buy a wincrap phone, at least I can develop for that. |
| 09:25.16 | djszapi | RST38h: yes, we are all wrong in the neccesitas, sure... |
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| 09:25.35 | djszapi | winphone is good.... |
| 09:26.28 | RST38h | djszapi: just because you have shoehorned Qt onto Android does not mean everyone will use it. |
| 09:26.51 | RST38h | djszapi: will stay just that - an amusing project |
| 09:26.52 | djszapi | RST38h: you lost me, I think the above sentence was more than arrogant, sorry. |
| 09:27.07 | Venemo | winphone is dead easy to develop for... with an easy-to-use IDE, good emulator (which Maemo was always lacking), etc, etc. |
| 09:27.25 | RST38h | Venemo: but C# only for normal devs |
| 09:27.38 | Venemo | RST38h, I like C# a lot better than C++, yes. |
| 09:27.40 | RST38h | Venemo: and if you are privileged developer, you basically get WinCE SDK. |
| 09:27.56 | djszapi | WinPhone is excellent, I love it. However I would also like to deploy Qt apps somewhere. If winphone can manage it with me, it is all nifty. Say, internal company NDK access is already godo enough for starter. |
| 09:27.58 | RST38h | Venemo: well, 1) no ability to compile existing code and 2) awful performance |
| 09:28.06 | djszapi | C# is much more oop than C++ :) |
| 09:28.16 | Venemo | yeah, agreed djszapi |
| 09:28.27 | RST38h | SmallTalk is OOP. C#, Java, C++ are all fake OOP. |
| 09:28.33 | Venemo | RST38h, 1) dead easy to write new code 2) good performance |
| 09:28.55 | RST38h | So, if you are really bent on OOP, use Smalltalk. :) |
| 09:29.06 | RST38h | Venemo: Not interested in writing throwaway code |
| 09:29.12 | djszapi | RST38h: yeah, practical advice on the current mobile market... |
| 09:29.17 | RST38h | Venemo: Not economical. Got Chinese for that. |
| 09:29.43 | RST38h | Venemo: And no, performance will not be the same as native, sorry |
| 09:30.04 | djszapi | RST38h: not the same != awful !!! |
| 09:30.17 | RST38h | djszapi: For me, there is a == |
| 09:30.27 | RST38h | for the applications I am working on anyway |
| 09:30.28 | djszapi | ok, you completely lost me, sorry :) |
| 09:30.41 | djszapi | Venemo: anyway, I think you got my idea and approach about it. |
| 09:30.47 | RST38h | These 30% of performance you are losing do make a difference. |
| 09:31.23 | djszapi | xarcass: not sure, could you please ask on the mailing list ? |
| 09:32.49 | xarcass | djszapi: i asked just out of curiosity, we were planning to port our app to this platform some time ago, but gave up for the lack of multimedia support |
| 09:33.11 | djszapi | xarcass: Neccesitas is not perfect yet, feel free to be involved in. |
| 09:33.24 | djszapi | it is not driven by N, nor I. |
| 09:33.29 | djszapi | nor G. |
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| 09:36.49 | xarcass | djszapi: i'm more an application programmer. all these huge frameworks scare shit out of me, unfortunately. i've come to this world from microcontrollers, so i'm still afraid of all these gigabytes of source code. but maybe, i'll give it a try. it could require to overcome my hate for java and android though.. |
| 09:38.16 | RST38h | So, what is it driven by? |
| 09:38.55 | djszapi | RST38h: magic xD |
| 09:39.19 | djszapi | xarcass: I see, I was also coming from that world.. You can use Qt btw, no need for java ;-) |
| 09:39.28 | Venemo | RST38h, not true. it is JIT-compiled |
| 09:39.52 | RST38h | Venemo: Rrright. And you think it makes it as fast as C++? :) |
| 09:40.18 | djszapi | Qt is not that fast as STL, we still use Qt.... |
| 09:40.47 | djszapi | how cares about O(1) which is negligible in your application for instance, but you are getting all the gains ? |
| 09:41.04 | RST38h | Venemo: To avoid further discussion (which is kinda boring nowadays), consider accssing a variable in C# or Java. Every access is going to be two pointer lookups. |
| 09:42.15 | RST38h | djszapi: You do understand that O(10000000000) is still considered "the same" as O(1) by computer science (i.e. runs in constant time) but in practice there is a lot of difference? |
| 09:42.34 | wazd | heya all |
| 09:42.48 | djszapi | no, I heavily disagree. I was developing a lot with mono, no real performance drawback ever. |
| 09:42.57 | RST38h | djszapi: also see: media decoding and encoding, emulation, games logic, games rendering, etc |
| 09:43.00 | wazd | again :P |
| 09:43.06 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 09:43.12 | wazd | RST38h: o/ |
| 09:44.25 | djszapi | RST38h: what about those ? Fail to see why those could not be achieved by having access to the NDK... |
| 09:44.44 | djszapi | which /is/ possibly for certain companies, anyway. |
| 09:44.49 | djszapi | possible* |
| 09:45.18 | djszapi | but that is just so obvious. |
| 09:45.36 | djszapi | those niches would be better done in native code. |
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| 09:48.59 | Arkenoi | have seen only one mono application, tomboy. Hell, it sucks! Literally, it sucks memory, can waste several Gbs per week. |
| 09:52.25 | djszapiN9 | arkenoi, so memleak is the provlem a language, and not the developer ? |
| 09:52.37 | djszapiN9 | of a* |
| 09:52.53 | Arkenoi | never seen any other mono app, so can't tell |
| 09:53.46 | djszapiN9 | it is not a language issue. Bad application can be written in any language |
| 09:55.13 | Arkenoi | but seems that in some languages (like Java) application has much "better" chance to be bad |
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| 09:59.42 | Venemo | hehe |
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| 11:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | I only noticed mono when my desktop came to a grinding halt because some fools decided to crate processes named *.exe which were or had child called mono |
| 11:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | and this was NOT a windoze box |
| 11:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | plain linux |
| 11:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | where that app that used mono and *.exe processes was just driving the 500MB RAM system into swap hell |
| 11:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | so that's really all I need to know about mono, it's origin, and the mindset of developers cheerful about it |
| 11:46.37 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, you told that story a long ago, and even then you admitted that this happened long ago... |
| 11:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | you think time can change your roots? |
| 11:47.35 | Venemo | I think time, and the replacement of their various core components since then, can change performance. |
| 11:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not interested about performance of a system that has a broken design goal from beginning |
| 11:50.05 | Venemo | I see. |
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| 13:19.44 | Venemo_N950 | ~seen djszapi |
| 13:19.47 | infobot | djszapi <~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 3h 34m 11s ago, saying: 'those niches would be better done in native code.'. |
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| 13:52.00 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: sup |
| 13:52.28 | rm_work | i forget what you said last time i asked -- are you giving up on SnapGo or whatever it's called? |
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| 13:55.33 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, nope |
| 13:55.48 | GeneralAntilles | Just sidetracked with work, school and some other side endeavors. |
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| 14:07.45 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: i'm not sure how enthused i am about N9 stuff anymore... |
| 14:08.10 | rm_work | since they're basically not releasing the phone in any major english speaking countries T_T |
| 14:08.46 | Stskeeps | the phone is actually only in chinese |
| 14:08.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:09.06 | rm_work | :P |
| 14:09.13 | rm_work | the secret is finally revealed! :P |
| 14:09.35 | rm_work | still eagerly anticipating a firmware release for N950 to fix the major bugs that make it hard to use |
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| 14:17.05 | Jaffa | rm_work: I know what you mean. If I write an app, who's going to be able to use it? |
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| 14:17.26 | Jaffa | rm_work: And I've had to stop using the N950 as my day-to-day phone (which I've been doing since I got it) due to weird incoming call bugs. |
| 14:18.08 | Arkenoi | which bugs? |
| 14:18.39 | RST38h | rm_you: that harmattan repo - it is not really encrypted |
| 14:19.25 | RST38h | rm_you: here is a deb line for it (for adding to PackRat): deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ free non-free |
| 14:19.39 | RST38h | rm_you: The stuff is in http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/ |
| 14:27.06 | rm_work | Jaffa: yep |
| 14:27.37 | rm_work | Jaffa: i can barely use it for outgoing calls since 90% of the time the phone is just a black screen so i can't hang up or press buttons for automated systems (no voicemail for me!) |
| 14:28.05 | rm_work | Jaffa: and recently i have been literally holding my phone staring at it waiting for a call and then a "missed call" and "voicemail!" alert comes up |
| 14:28.09 | rm_work | and i'm like "WHAT" |
| 14:28.24 | rm_work | RST38h: ok i'll add it |
| 14:28.51 | RST38h | rm_work: thanks, should keep that complaining guy happy |
| 14:29.07 | jreznik | rm_work: you're lucky you can call at all (even the black screen bug) as the n950 signal reception is really horrible... |
| 14:30.19 | rm_work | jreznik: it's true, switched from n950 to n900 while standing in line at PAX, and my signal went from almost nothing to almost full bars :( |
| 14:30.48 | rm_work | also it got stuck in airplane mode somehow when i was flying back.... had to reboot it to get it to turn on cellmodem again |
| 14:31.04 | jreznik | rm_work: iphone like behaviour :) you can't hold your phone to call |
| 14:31.04 | RST38h | says "developer edition" for a reason... |
| 14:31.16 | rm_work | yep |
| 14:31.32 | rm_work | RST38h: and I started this convo with: |
| 14:31.34 | jreznik | RST38h: I understand completely, unfortunatelly I can't use it for development right now - no XMPP... |
| 14:31.39 | rm_work | <rm_work> still eagerly anticipating a firmware release for N950 to fix the major bugs that make it hard to use |
| 14:31.59 | RST38h | rm_work; s/hard/impossible =) |
| 14:31.59 | javispedro | jreznik: there won't be XMPP in the final device either |
| 14:32.07 | javispedro | jreznik: just Google Talk. |
| 14:32.34 | RST38h | and the comm plugin api is not documented? |
| 14:32.43 | javispedro | yes, it is fixable. |
| 14:32.47 | jreznik | javispedro: really??? why? (it's like web os...) |
| 14:32.48 | javispedro | I'm waiting for someone to do it :) |
| 14:33.21 | jreznik | javispedro: so maybe I can use our pre-telepathy branch with libiris... |
| 14:33.29 | javispedro | jreznik: blablablabla designers blablabla reduce accounts screen clutter blablabla |
| 14:33.43 | javispedro | jreznik: no, telepathy is fine, you just can't add the account. |
| 14:33.58 | divan | javispedro, how do you know there won't be xmpp? |
| 14:34.07 | jreznik | javispedro: but then it does not make sense - telepathy is there but no account = useless |
| 14:34.22 | javispedro | jreznik: it is used for gtalk |
| 14:35.04 | jreznik | javispedro: yep, but for me :) |
| 14:35.11 | dm8tbr | jreznik: you can add it manually |
| 14:35.24 | javispedro | or you can develop the accounts-ui plugin |
| 14:35.27 | dm8tbr | jreznik: search for me mentioning the two-liner how to do that |
| 14:35.36 | dm8tbr | javispedro++ |
| 14:35.57 | jreznik | javispedro: yep, sounds like the way - to add an account within the app itself |
| 14:35.58 | dm8tbr | I actually already checked and there is a rudimentary account plugin example somewhere |
| 14:36.08 | javispedro | yeah, I mentioned it also on this channel |
| 14:36.22 | javispedro | someone made some sms bridge or similar |
| 14:36.34 | javispedro | s/someone/some developer.nokia.com guy |
| 14:36.50 | jreznik | it's just the more work and you lost integration but... |
| 14:36.51 | javispedro | and his code was on gitorious |
| 14:37.03 | javispedro | jreznik: if you make the plugin you need not lose integration at all |
| 14:38.24 | jreznik | javispedro: ok, I'll take a look, thanks... other guy did the telepathy port so I'm not so skilled in it (for me it's nice but overcomplex stuff ;-) |
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| 14:48.00 | razvanpetru | another QML layout issue: anchors.leftMargin doesn't do anything for Column > Label. Anyone seen this? |
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| 14:49.03 | artemm | didn't see exactly this thing, but usually positioners are quite hard regarding inner content positioning and try overrirding if they can |
| 14:50.35 | razvanpetru | well, a Column's job in my view is setting the Y |
| 14:50.53 | razvanpetru | otherwise, I don't see why it would want to screw around with my other positioning |
| 14:55.03 | razvanpetru | qml complicates some things that were easy with layouts |
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| 15:01.53 | razvanpetru | it doesn't even work if I stick it inside a Rect, so strange... |
| 15:02.29 | Venemo_N950 | wants new software for the N950 |
| 15:05.15 | evilJazz | razvanpetru, did you use anchors.fill: parent on the Label in the Rect ? |
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| 15:06.53 | razvanpetru | nope, do I have to? |
| 15:07.46 | razvanpetru | I kind of expect QML to work like HTML and CSS |
| 15:07.47 | evilJazz | well, you have to at least set an anchor to the left side for the left margin to work I think |
| 15:08.02 | razvanpetru | the box model I mean |
| 15:08.34 | Venemo_N950 | razvanpetru, then you expect wrong |
| 15:08.41 | razvanpetru | seems so |
| 15:08.49 | Venemo_N950 | it is not html, nor css, and does not work like them |
| 15:09.56 | evilJazz | if you compare to CSS it's more like padding there, i.e inside the box |
| 15:10.30 | razvanpetru | yes |
| 15:10.59 | evilJazz | there is also the spacing property in Column. Perhaps that is suitable for your purpose? |
| 15:11.00 | Venemo_N950 | yeah, but QML elements don't by default work like html+css's 'box model' |
| 15:11.13 | razvanpetru | evilJazz, that's for vertical spacing |
| 15:11.22 | razvanpetru | I want to indent a silly Label compared to a TextInput |
| 15:11.37 | Venemo_N950 | razvanpetru, what is it that you want to achieve exactly? |
| 15:11.43 | razvanpetru | and I foolisly thought it would be as simple as anchors.leftMargin: 10 |
| 15:11.50 | razvanpetru | Venemo: see above |
| 15:11.51 | evilJazz | razvanpetru, okay, I see |
| 15:12.10 | Venemo_N950 | razvanpetru, seems that I joined later than you wrote that |
| 15:12.37 | Venemo_N950 | but... you need to anchor the item to something, before you can set a margin in that direction |
| 15:13.07 | Venemo_N950 | eg. anchors.left: myOtherElement.right; anchors.leftMargin: 10 |
| 15:13.32 | Venemo_N950 | or you could put 'em inside a Row or Column item |
| 15:13.32 | razvanpetru | this fails spectacularly: |
| 15:14.09 | razvanpetru | Rectangle { color: "red" width: parent.width height: lblFirstName.height anchors.leftMargin: 10 Label { id: lblFirstName anchors.left: parent.left text: qsTr("First name") } } |
| 15:14.41 | razvanpetru | the path to the rect is Sheet > Item > Flickable > Column |
| 15:15.35 | Venemo_N950 | mhm |
| 15:16.21 | Venemo_N950 | well, I have similar stuff, feel free to look at my code... I'm still not sure what exactly you want to achieve |
| 15:16.52 | razvanpetru | http://pastebin.com/cSyFdhL0 |
| 15:17.20 | evilJazz | I am currently experiencing problems with nested vertical ListViews inside a fullscreen horizontal ListView. It seems on Harmattan the mouse events get swallowed somewhere during flicking. The same thing does not happen on my workstation and N900. Anyone else experiencing this? |
| 15:18.01 | razvanpetru | ahhh... are you trying to implement a flickable page view? |
| 15:18.07 | razvanpetru | I was kind of wondering how that's done |
| 15:18.12 | evilJazz | yeah |
| 15:18.18 | Venemo_N950 | razvanpetru, ahm, ok, I see your code. what's the error? |
| 15:18.38 | razvanpetru | no error, it's just that the Label is shown at exactly the same indentation as the item below it |
| 15:18.45 | razvanpetru | whereas it should be 10px to the right |
| 15:18.53 | evilJazz | it is working on all other platforms but not on Harmattan. I think it might be a bug, I plan on distilling a testcase tonight and submit a bugreport. |
| 15:19.29 | Venemo_N950 | razvanpetru, what's the point of the rectangle item? |
| 15:19.36 | razvanpetru | evilJazz: do your pages work like the three harmattan main screens? |
| 15:19.47 | Venemo_N950 | evilJazz, ask in #qt-qml |
| 15:19.48 | razvanpetru | Venemo: to try to hack the Label to move to the right |
| 15:19.53 | evilJazz | razvanpetru, yep |
| 15:20.12 | Venemo_N950 | razvanpetru, ok. I got an idea. |
| 15:20.16 | razvanpetru | and do the vertical lists follow the screen or is it like Symbian homscreen pre-anna? |
| 15:20.24 | evilJazz | Venemo_N950, thanks for guidance. Will ask there |
| 15:20.38 | Venemo_N950 | razvanpetru, 1) delete anchors.leftmargin from the rectangle |
| 15:20.53 | razvanpetru | evilJazz: I mean - do you have to swipe to get to next page, or do you drag it and it immediately follows the finger |
| 15:21.28 | Venemo_N950 | razvanpetru, 2) add anchors.fill: parent into the label and delete the left anchor |
| 15:21.32 | evilJazz | razvanpetru, you drag it and it follows, not like pre-Anna, more like Anna-style |
| 15:21.45 | Venemo_N950 | razvanpetru, 3) add anchors.leftMargin: 10 to the label |
| 15:21.46 | razvanpetru | evilJazz - so identical to 3 homescreens, very cool |
| 15:21.55 | Venemo_N950 | razvanpetru, that should work. |
| 15:21.57 | Venemo_N950 | IMO |
| 15:22.29 | razvanpetru | IMO it should work too |
| 15:23.35 | razvanpetru | it sort of works now that I look at it |
| 15:23.42 | Venemo_N950 | sort of? |
| 15:23.54 | razvanpetru | the rectangle becomes transparent and there is not spacing between it and the item below |
| 15:24.04 | razvanpetru | so the label is 10px to the right, but it touches the TextInput below it |
| 15:24.25 | razvanpetru | I guess the red is hidden by the label filling the rect |
| 15:24.43 | Venemo_N950 | hmm |
| 15:24.52 | razvanpetru | and the problem is that height: can't be lbl.height any more |
| 15:24.57 | razvanpetru | because lbl is filling the parent |
| 15:25.24 | Venemo_N950 | agreed, so delete it. |
| 15:27.38 | razvanpetru | I have to set height manually it seems |
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| 15:31.41 | razvanpetru | here's what I did: removed the Rectangle and set anchors.left: parent.left and anchors.leftMargin: 10 |
| 15:31.43 | razvanpetru | works! |
| 15:32.01 | Venemo_N950 | ok, nice :) |
| 15:33.38 | razvanpetru | thanks ;) |
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| 16:36.54 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, yeah, it's a bit of a joke at this point. |
| 16:37.21 | rm_work | :( |
| 16:37.23 | rm_work | so sad |
| 16:37.32 | rm_work | and now Internet Tablets are really taking off |
| 16:37.37 | rm_work | and Nokia could have been the pioneer |
| 16:37.38 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, what it's coming down to now is "Is it still fun?" |
| 16:37.42 | GeneralAntilles | For me, the answer is still yes. |
| 16:37.46 | rm_work | yeah |
| 16:37.48 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't expect much for the near future. |
| 16:37.53 | rm_work | it's still cool, and a bit fun |
| 16:37.58 | rm_work | but starting to get depressing |
| 16:38.14 | rm_work | because it's obvious that this phone doesn't even have a fair chance |
| 16:38.25 | rm_work | the politics of things will ensure it dies no matter what happens |
| 16:38.43 | javispedro | hey, at least, you'll not make any false hopes now. |
| 16:39.02 | javispedro | it's dead before release :) |
| 16:39.16 | javispedro | no way to make it worse with lack of updates, lack of advertisements, lack of commercial applications,... |
| 16:40.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's surreal the amount of money they're flushing down the drain. |
| 16:40.22 | Venemo | rm_work, Nokia were fools to let go of the internet tablet market, 100% of which they owned in 2006 |
| 16:41.08 | rm_work | yep |
| 16:41.22 | rm_work | and just now people are catching up to where they were back then |
| 16:41.31 | Venemo | they basically INVENTED the term "internet tablet" |
| 16:41.34 | rm_work | yep |
| 16:41.43 | Venemo | well, they are fools. |
| 16:41.45 | rm_work | and now it's a whole genre on Newegg |
| 16:41.55 | Venemo | Newegg? what is that? |
| 16:41.59 | rm_work | lol |
| 16:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | No viable alternatives is the worst part. |
| 16:42.14 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, agreed. |
| 16:42.18 | rm_work | are you kidding? or... is Newegg only a US thing? |
| 16:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | The market now really is just iOS, Android and a (distant) Windows Phone. |
| 16:42.25 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, US and Canada |
| 16:42.31 | rm_work | :/ |
| 16:42.39 | rm_work | i thought newegg was global |
| 16:42.44 | GeneralAntilles | Which is scary on a lot of levels. |
| 16:43.00 | rm_work | Venemo: Newegg.com is *the* place to buy electronics in the US |
| 16:43.00 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, some people think that android is a viable alternative, but I don't think so. :( |
| 16:43.10 | Venemo | rm_work, aaah, sorry, I don't live in the US |
| 16:43.23 | rm_work | yeah, i didn't realize newegg was US only |
| 16:43.44 | Venemo | there are "Electroworld", "Euronics", and such named shops here |
| 16:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | Venemo, I'm sorry. I've used Android |
| 16:43.50 | GeneralAntilles | I know Google |
| 16:43.54 | rm_work | bbl, lunch |
| 16:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | I know exactly how evil a platform it is. |
| 16:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, and Canada |
| 16:44.08 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, well, I "know" google too, that's why I don't think it's a viable alternative |
| 16:44.19 | javispedro | and they don't have touchpads (the only reason the name Newegg rings a bell here :) ) |
| 16:44.45 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: like i said, US only |
| 16:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, don't let fiferboy hear you say that. :P |
| 16:45.08 | Venemo | I would be happy to buy a 7" tablet with a hw keyboard and a mechanism similar to N97/N950 |
| 16:45.10 | rm_work | :P |
| 16:45.18 | Venemo | but there are not even hw keyboard tablets nowadays |
| 16:45.47 | Venemo | good old N810 comes into my mind, and I break into tears... If someome could squeeze some better hardware into that casing... |
| 16:45.53 | rm_work | with tablets i just carry a BT travel keyboard |
| 16:46.06 | rm_work | since a tablet isn't a pocket thing anyway, it'd have a case / backpack |
| 16:47.20 | RST38h | yawns |
| 16:47.45 | rm_work | (well, at 7" it isn't a pocket thing... and the ones worth buying are mostly 10.1") |
| 16:48.11 | RST38h | wants 5" |
| 16:49.56 | Venemo | well, I can imagine 7" to be usable on public transport, but 10" is definitely not. |
| 16:51.08 | RST38h | if it is made of aluminium, you can hit people on the head with it and grab their purses |
| 16:51.43 | Venemo | LoL RST38h |
| 16:53.47 | berndhs | if it has an "i" on it, you dont have to hit them, they just give you their purses |
| 16:54.01 | RST38h | but only if you are Steve Jobs |
| 16:54.25 | berndhs | you can say you work for Steve |
| 16:56.08 | Venemo | xD |
| 17:04.22 | fiferboy | Just got my first "Device is malfunctioning" screen! :) |
| 17:04.36 | Stskeeps | congrats, you're now screwed :) |
| 17:04.45 | fiferboy | Hooray? |
| 17:05.11 | berndhs | my device malfunctions without such marketing talk, thank you very much :) |
| 17:06.16 | javispedro | fiferboy: bah, I collect those too. |
| 17:06.56 | fiferboy | ERROR: Failed to flash images |
| 17:07.15 | fiferboy | Success? |
| 17:07.59 | fiferboy | Ah, not enough battery to flash |
| 17:10.41 | fiferboy | And all of a sudden it is rebooting without a reflash and everything it fine o_O |
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| 17:15.24 | Khertan | hi all |
| 17:15.33 | hiemanshu | hey Khertan |
| 17:17.22 | Khertan | i found pyqt4 coding fun ... but not the case anymore with qml. Am i the only one ? |
| 17:17.23 | Khertan | ajalkane_ |
| 17:17.23 | Khertan | oups |
| 17:17.28 | Khertan | hiemanshu, hi |
| 17:18.20 | hiemanshu | Khertan: how is the app going on? |
| 17:18.32 | hiemanshu | well, I am having fun with QML |
| 17:18.37 | hiemanshu | once you learn it, its a job ride :) |
| 17:18.42 | hiemanshu | joy* |
| 17:19.03 | Khertan | slow devel ... doing preference ui borring me |
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| 17:25.04 | Khertan | sorry disconnected |
| 17:25.11 | Khertan | i m in the metro |
| 17:28.03 | Khertan | hiemanshu, so devel of app progress slowly |
| 17:28.08 | Khertan | qml is less boring using qtcreator completion buy |
| 17:28.19 | hiemanshu | ah well yeah |
| 17:28.27 | Khertan | but not available on device |
| 17:29.44 | Khertan | and i don't see how to do such completion on khteditor :) |
| 17:29.58 | Khertan | without slowing down too much the device |
| 17:30.44 | hiemanshu | well, you could implement it |
| 17:30.46 | hiemanshu | anyways |
| 17:30.46 | hiemanshu | brb |
| 17:32.04 | Khertan | also i m looking for a way to load dynamically to create qml pref panel |
| 17:40.39 | fiferboy | Ok, so I have run into my first aegis related road block |
| 17:40.52 | fiferboy | I had to replace a system package that runs a service with my own version of it |
| 17:41.01 | fiferboy | Now the service won't stay running |
| 17:41.06 | fiferboy | Any way around this? |
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| 17:46.02 | Khertan | re |
| 17:46.18 | Khertan | someone have already write a font selector in qml ? |
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| 18:29.52 | ajalkane | So my wife got Samsung Galaxy SII today, and I've had some time to play with it. Wicked device. Everything's fast and fluid. |
| 18:31.13 | ajalkane | And it's just filled with features. MeeGo Harmattan feels barren and simplistic in comparison. |
| 18:31.59 | berndhs | send it to me, i'll port meego to it |
| 18:32.26 | ajalkane | But you know what... It also still ferls boring to use compared to n950 |
| 18:33.55 | ajalkane | I think my wife would go berzerk if I sent her new toy away. She just installed angry birds to it. |
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| 19:20.12 | M4rtinK | djszapi, rZr: looks like my submit request for the (hopefully) working GTK package to to coemmunity repo is still pending :) |
| 19:21.11 | djszapi | M4rtinK: I am a relocation, quite busy nowadays, sorry. Could you please push it directly ? |
| 19:21.13 | djszapi | * in a relocation |
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| 19:57.26 | M4rtinK | ok |
| 19:57.48 | M4rtinK | djszapi: so basically delete the previous package and replace with a branch from my repo ? |
| 19:58.57 | djszapi | M4rtinK: I am busy, rzr is on vacation. Best way to proceed is to push the shared repository without any branch. If the need raises for removal, we shall do it. |
| 19:59.05 | djszapi | to* |
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| 20:04.46 | rZr | i am arround |
| 20:04.58 | rZr | M4rtinK: the pb is broken obs no ? |
| 20:05.56 | djszapi | no, it is not |
| 20:06.00 | rZr | M4rtinK: let me add you as the new boss of that repo |
| 20:06.36 | djszapi | rzr: he was already added iirc |
| 20:07.25 | rZr | that's what i thought https://build.pub.meego.com/project/users?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan |
| 20:07.41 | rZr | M4rtinK: next time you can accept your requests |
| 20:08.11 | djszapi | M4rtinK: no need to make a request until we have enough manpowers for reviews. |
| 20:11.30 | rZZZr | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4406 |
| 20:18.33 | M4rtinK | might be X-Fade doing some modifications |
| 20:18.47 | M4rtinK | anybody tried to ask him in #meego ? |
| 20:21.10 | rZr | I saw some messages to him |
| 20:21.27 | rZr | anyway do you know the feeds app ? mine refuse to shows up again |
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| 20:32.48 | artemm | What does ":-1: error: Connection error: Timeout waiting for reply from server." mean? |
| 20:33.01 | artemm | I am getting it more and more often when trying to deploy to N950 |
| 20:33.05 | artemm | from Qt Creator |
| 20:34.04 | artemm | and the compile log ends with the following: |
| 20:34.06 | artemm | ---- |
| 20:34.07 | artemm | Started uploading file '/Users/artem/WorkArea/Dropbox/discountcalc/trunk/discountcalcharmattanapp-build-harmattan/discountcalcharmattanapp_1_0_0_armel.deb'. |
| 20:34.07 | artemm | Error while building project discountcalcharmattanapp (target: Harmattan) |
| 20:34.07 | artemm | When executing build step 'Deploy to Harmattan device' |
| 20:34.08 | artemm | ---- |
| 20:35.16 | rZr | http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=411 |
| 20:35.43 | artemm | *checking link |
| 20:35.46 | artemm | thanks rZr |
| 20:36.30 | artemm | Oh, I think that was not for me. Seems to be unrelated\ |
| 20:36.30 | rZr | this is not related :) |
| 20:36.40 | evilJazz | weird error message, never had that while deploying to my N950 |
| 20:37.12 | evilJazz | ssh connection and ping to the device works? |
| 20:37.13 | artemm | Some time in the past I had it already. Was fixed by rebooting the device.. or laptop. Something was rebooted for sure |
| 20:37.18 | artemm | now it doesn't help |
| 20:37.32 | artemm | Test from QtCreator preferences works fine |
| 20:37.40 | evilJazz | ok |
| 20:38.39 | evilJazz | perhaps some dangling package installations in dpkg/apt-get ? |
| 20:39.07 | evilJazz | but that error message looks more like the separate upload port that is being opened when deploying |
| 20:39.09 | artemm | yeah probably |
| 20:39.11 | djszapi | qtcreator is scary :) |
| 20:39.21 | artemm | I just fixed it by cleaning the build directory |
| 20:39.22 | artemm | :/ |
| 20:39.37 | artemm | what I did before that I reorganized the package structure a little |
| 20:40.00 | artemm | Clean doesn't seem to create intermediate artifacts and something was messed up |
| 20:40.42 | artemm | Now I have errors again, but more "normal" ones though still strange |
| 20:40.43 | artemm | dpkg: error processing /home/developer/discountcalcharmattanapp_1_0_0_armel.deb (--install): |
| 20:40.43 | artemm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.18 | artemm | and package structure seems to be wrong.. |
| 20:41.29 | artemm | ok, will continue when I get concrete question or solution |
| 20:42.48 | evilJazz | I spend a whole weekend trying to figure out why aegis was rejecting my package with error message "blahblah is not installed by this package". Turned out the package had some very weird filenames in it (thanks to my Mac) that somehow caused aegis to be unable to read the package content correctly. |
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| 20:43.56 | djszapi | evilJazz: steps to reproduce ? |
| 20:44.31 | djszapi | aegis does not really care about filenames... |
| 20:44.34 | djszapi | in that sense... |
| 20:44.44 | evilJazz | yeah |
| 20:44.47 | artemm | I noticed that Creator's wizard also behaves strange with special chars on Mac at least - so maybe that's system common attitude :) |
| 20:45.29 | artemm | I created a project with dash in its name "-" and now in a hell a lot of places sometimes things are with dash, sometimes without |
| 20:46.20 | djszapi | please please please provide steps, otherwise we cannot proceed... |
| 20:47.21 | djszapi | (Also, without reproducing description, I cannot even take it too seriously). |
| 20:47.41 | evilJazz | just a second, I need to find the old version that contains the test data that were causing the issue |
| 20:49.37 | djszapi | be careful about blaming aegis without real facts. |
| 20:50.18 | djszapi | "weird" files names have nothing to do with "aegis" (should be precise: dpkg wrapper), that is a plain dpkg real operation. |
| 20:52.17 | djszapi | Hence if dpkg is buggy on Mac, I recommend to file a bug against upstream. |
| 20:52.29 | evilJazz | well, the error message came from aegis |
| 20:53.04 | djszapi | so what ? |
| 20:53.30 | djszapi | if application A has an error reporting system, it is not equal to that, the problem is in A, if it uses more underlying components. |
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| 21:01.10 | evilJazz | djszapi, the filenames contained :: like in "iTunes Music Library.xml::EA::com.apple.metadata:3acom_apple_backup_excludeItem" |
| 21:01.54 | evilJazz | these files were created when I copied my iTunes library to my Ubuntu desktop via AFP/netatalk from the Mac |
| 21:02.05 | evilJazz | the test data was bundled in the deb package |
| 21:02.32 | djszapi | this is not an exact stepset. |
| 21:02.48 | evilJazz | that file was used as dummy data to test the UI because the C++ models were not ready at the time (two weeks ago). |
| 21:05.11 | djszapi | I cannot help until I get exact steps |
| 21:08.32 | evilJazz | well, I have already fixed the problem. You don't need to help me. Here is what was bundled with my deb package because I added the qmlui directory to the DEPLOYMENTFOLDERS in the .pro file: http://katastrophos.net/downloads/Screenshot-1.png |
| 21:08.33 | jkt | so I'm trying to play with an QML application. I've started with the template provided by QtCreator, tried to made some modifications, but wasn't really happy with the result |
| 21:09.12 | jkt | so I decided to take a look at qt-components from gitorious, and tried to import the .qml files from its examples/meego/QmlComponentGallery/qml directory |
| 21:09.26 | jkt | I've added them to the .pro file and to the respective qrc file |
| 21:09.32 | evilJazz | as you can see, the weird filenames in the .AppleDouble caused the deb package to be rejected: http://katastrophos.net/downloads/Screenshot-2.png |
| 21:09.44 | jkt | yet, when I start the application, all I see is a black screen |
| 21:09.54 | evilJazz | just deleting the .AppleDouble directory fixed the problem. |
| 21:10.13 | jkt | so I have two questions -- what am I doing wrong in this specific case, and especially the second one: how am I supposed to debug these QML issues on device? |
| 21:10.33 | jkt | I can't use the usual QML debugger, because the harmattan components are not even available on desktop builds, afaik |
| 21:13.51 | deimos | jkt, you can copy component to desktop |
| 21:14.35 | evilJazz | jkt: good question, I am still looking for a solution too. I am currently only testing the generic core stuff of my app on the desktop and do the qt-component specific debugging on the device. |
| 21:14.40 | jkt | deimos: I'm coming from the QWidget land; how do I do that? |
| 21:14.58 | deimos | I followed this http://meegoharmattandev.blogspot.com/2011/07/setting-up-qt-sdk-for-meego-harmattan.html |
| 21:15.35 | deimos | I run flawless the app on desktop and the try if all is ok on n950 |
| 21:15.45 | deimos | *then |
| 21:17.07 | jkt | deimos: thanks for that tip |
| 21:17.52 | deimos | here there is an how to but by installing all with deb in ubuntu |
| 21:17.53 | deimos | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2011/06/23/nokia-meego-1.2-harmattan-qt-quick-components |
| 21:17.55 | deimos | np |
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| 21:28.09 | evilJazz | deimos, thank you very much for the links. That is precious information. |
| 21:28.30 | jkt | has no idea why the configure script recognized the qmake from Qt3 |
| 21:28.44 | jkt | but fortunately, env massaging fixed that one |
| 21:28.51 | jkt | it was still a nasty surprise :) |
| 21:30.09 | deimos | evilJazz, np, but if you are doing something more hardware related, scratchbox or qemu is needed |
| 21:31.31 | deimos | jkt, to compile you need at last Qt 4.7.4 if I am not wrong |
| 21:38.16 | jkt | deimos: yeah, seems so (I'm getting some compilation errors with 4.7.1) |
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| 22:10.13 | jkt | okay, so the black screen error was caused by importing the 1.1 version of com.nokia.meego instead of 1.0 |
| 22:10.17 | jkt | just missed that |
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| 22:40.27 | deimos | jkt, I do "import com.meego 1.0" |
| 22:52.37 | Mek | com.nokia.meego is more correct than com.meego afaik |
| 22:53.00 | ajalkane | yes, com.nokia.meego should be used |
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