| 00:00.11 | ieatlint | don't get too used to it from the top... once we get the update and can close apps with that gesture, you'll hate yourself a lot |
| 00:00.36 | Venemo | ieatlint, nope, I prefer bottom |
| 00:00.42 | Venemo | but thanks for da warning :) |
| 00:01.14 | ieatlint | so my guess is that google thinks it's a symbian phone |
| 00:01.38 | Venemo | ok, I seriously need to go to sleep now |
| 00:01.46 | Venemo | so, bye-bye everyone :) |
| 00:02.25 | ieatlint | nite |
| 00:09.02 | ieatlint | i like the little quicklaunch buttons from the lock screen |
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| 01:53.19 | Termana | morning |
| 01:53.56 | cpscotti | Termana, good night! |
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| 04:48.10 | dm8tbr | dzieÅ dobry |
| 04:53.32 | dm8tbr | 14.07.2011, 05:02 Item in sorting 33000 TAMPERE -- yay, the other toy will arrive today |
| 04:53.55 | dm8tbr | and then the headaches will start how to access all the necessary dbus(?) data under harmattan |
| 05:04.53 | Stskeeps | seems like i'll be getting mine today too |
| 05:07.24 | Stskeeps | which is a nice birthday present |
| 05:10.49 | dm8tbr | happy birthday then? |
| 05:12.33 | Stskeeps | indeed, except it's dark like hell this morning in warsaw, looks like intense thunder coming |
| 05:12.44 | Stskeeps | in .dk we say it means i've been a bad boy all year, which may be true :P |
| 05:12.53 | dm8tbr | :D |
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| 06:18.33 | thp | Stskeeps: happy birthday :) |
| 06:20.13 | Stskeeps | thanks |
| 06:21.21 | thp | i hope you can take the day off and enjoy the summer weather? |
| 06:28.27 | Stskeeps | its a mad thunderstorm here so not much point ;) |
| 06:29.08 | Stskeeps | also my n950 order says out for delivery |
| 06:30.33 | thp | ;) nice birthday present |
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| 06:59.31 | Venemo | good morning harmattanites |
| 06:59.57 | Venemo | Stskeeps, happy birthday :) |
| 07:05.35 | Jaffa | Venemo: Hermes nowhere near ready for Harmattan yet |
| 07:06.00 | Venemo | Jaffa, I've already merged my contacts by hand |
| 07:06.44 | Venemo | but still, I anticipate that Hermes will be exactly as useful for N9(50) owners as it was for N900 owners ;) |
| 07:07.37 | Venemo | oh, the guy who wrote http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Rotation has mistaken the word "portrait" to "landscape" |
| 07:08.49 | Venemo | and I hope I won't break my NDA with this: http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Rotation - as NDA says I mustn't disclose deficiencies. But I've just disclosed some good points :) |
| 07:09.03 | Venemo | fuck, copypaste is broken |
| 07:09.14 | Venemo | and I hope I won't break my NDA with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1050647&postcount=15 - as NDA says I mustn't disclose deficiencies. But I've just disclosed some good points :) |
| 07:11.04 | Venemo | question: where can I find the source for the "QMLComp..." apps? |
| 07:11.29 | Jaffa | Venemo: I'm trying to understand the scope of Harmattan development and processes with Attitude before tackling something that much more complicated |
| 07:11.45 | Jaffa | Venemo: Main driver for Hermes is reduced a bit with the piddly little avatars it shows on incoming calls |
| 07:13.02 | Venemo | mhm |
| 07:14.40 | Venemo | Jaffa, do you know about sources for QMLComp... apps? Those would give me a head start with QML |
| 07:14.55 | Venemo | also, I'm curious, how can I ensure that my QML can work on other platforms? |
| 07:15.02 | Venemo | maybe achipa is better suited to answer these though... |
| 07:16.13 | achipa | does jedi handwave - you don't want to look at the QtC sources |
| 07:16.51 | Venemo | notes that jedi mindtricks only work on the weak-minded |
| 07:17.07 | achipa | Venemo: the official docs, while not perfect, do give a usable picture of what-how |
| 07:18.07 | Venemo | achipa, there is a "buttons" page in one of those apps. I'd like to know how to create the 15th variant (row of iconed buttons) on the toolbar of my app |
| 07:22.02 | Venemo | achipa, okay, I think I know how to create them, after a quick look @ http://library.developer.nokia.com/ - which has became a lot more useful than it used to be. |
| 07:22.05 | Venemo | brb |
| 07:23.39 | achipa | Venemo: look at the Tool* components, they sound like a given for what you said |
| 07:23.57 | Venemo | seems to be a combination of ButtonRow and ToolButton |
| 07:25.17 | achipa | http://library.developer.nokia.com/topic/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-toolicon.html ? |
| 07:25.58 | achipa | " This is an Button-like component composed by an icon and supposed to be used inside a ToolBar." |
| 07:31.58 | Venemo | maybe that is that, dunno |
| 07:33.26 | Stskeeps | backs up his usb-less n900 |
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| 07:58.25 | Venemo | achipa, are these QML components compatible with Symbian? |
| 07:58.42 | achipa | probably not |
| 07:59.27 | Venemo | so are there different components for Symbian? |
| 08:00.34 | achipa | yep, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-components-symbian-1.0/qt-components.html |
| 08:00.58 | Venemo | can I make a component for my puzzle board that will work on both? |
| 08:01.13 | achipa | define: make |
| 08:01.35 | Venemo | create, code, bring into being |
| 08:02.08 | achipa | depends on what do you do - if you use only raw QML, yes, if you use native stuff, no |
| 08:02.19 | achipa | (but that is the story of components, so same thing) |
| 08:02.22 | achipa | still |
| 08:02.27 | achipa | if you ask me |
| 08:02.29 | Venemo | can I make my puzzle pieces with "raw" QML? I think I can, can't I? |
| 08:02.33 | achipa | which you not necessarily do |
| 08:02.37 | achipa | DO NOT DO IT |
| 08:02.48 | achipa | your gut feel is that you want to write one QML that works everywhere |
| 08:02.52 | achipa | DO NOT DO IT |
| 08:02.58 | achipa | you will suffer and fail |
| 08:03.00 | achipa | :) |
| 08:03.08 | Venemo | well, the board is currently a subclass of QGraphicsScene |
| 08:03.10 | achipa | but then again, that's my personal opinion |
| 08:03.24 | Venemo | I don't want to duplicate its code for different platforms |
| 08:03.41 | achipa | wrong paradigm |
| 08:03.46 | Venemo | because it is one thing that is indeed supposed to work and look the same |
| 08:03.47 | achipa | let me put it this way |
| 08:04.07 | Venemo | well, there are some items on it which the user can drag, and that's a platform-independent paradigm |
| 08:04.19 | achipa | if it's a toolbar, then no, that is defined by the platform guidelines, so should work as the PLATFORM says |
| 08:04.43 | Venemo | I understand that I need to rewrite the app GUI itself for different platforms (as per your brilliant blog says) |
| 08:05.07 | achipa | the thing is - taking toolicon and toolbutton for meego and symbian is 5 minutes |
| 08:05.12 | Venemo | sure |
| 08:05.18 | achipa | writing your own that works on both is 3 days |
| 08:05.18 | Venemo | but I'm not talking toolicon and buttons now |
| 08:05.29 | achipa | ... |
| 08:05.48 | Venemo | I'm talking about just the game board itself, which contains the pieces |
| 08:06.03 | achipa | QML itself *is* plaform independent |
| 08:06.31 | Venemo | I think that is easily implementable with "raw" QML. basically it needs to display a bunch of pixmaps and allow the users to drag them |
| 08:06.33 | achipa | so whatever you do (barring hooking in platform APIs) will work |
| 08:06.46 | achipa | yes, that sounds like pretty basic QML |
| 08:07.12 | Venemo | can I hook C++ event handlers to QML objects? |
| 08:07.49 | achipa | it's the other way round (exposing c++ classes with event handlers as QML objects), but yes |
| 08:08.08 | Venemo | that is good enough :) |
| 08:27.21 | Venemo | thank you achipa :) |
| 08:27.32 | achipa | yw |
| 08:29.07 | Venemo | achipa, I promise, when I get it right, I'll write a tutorial about this :) |
| 08:29.17 | achipa | (Y) |
| 08:30.10 | Venemo | how resistant is the glass on the camera lens? I accidentally tore off the protector on it |
| 08:34.15 | harbaum | :-) You are supposed to tore it off |
| 08:34.17 | macmaN | werent we supposed to? |
| 08:37.28 | Venemo | ok! |
| 08:37.33 | Venemo | that I did :P |
| 08:47.16 | Venemo | anyone tried yet what does the QML do on the N950's box? |
| 08:47.25 | Stskeeps | woo, my n950 arrived |
| 08:47.48 | Venemo | Stskeeps ;) |
| 08:47.52 | Venemo | Stskeeps, you liking it? |
| 08:47.56 | Stskeeps | so far |
| 08:48.12 | Venemo | how're you coping with portrait-only? |
| 08:48.26 | Stskeeps | hmm. |
| 08:48.44 | Stskeeps | damn, n950 is microsim isn't it.. |
| 08:49.06 | macmaN | no it isnt |
| 08:49.32 | Stskeeps | sure? my sim doesn't really fit :) |
| 08:49.53 | harbaum | mine does |
| 08:50.00 | harbaum | take directly from n900 |
| 08:50.46 | macmaN | Stskeeps: are you sure youre not sticking itin the microsd slot |
| 08:50.54 | Stskeeps | there's no microsd slot afaik? |
| 08:51.04 | macmaN | :) |
| 08:51.47 | harbaum | anyone here who knows how to disable the device lock code after one has enabled it |
| 08:51.49 | harbaum | ? |
| 08:51.57 | macmaN | not me |
| 08:52.19 | Stskeeps | ah, i was being an idiot |
| 08:52.26 | Venemo | Stskeeps, your sim does fit. |
| 08:52.31 | Venemo | but no microsd. |
| 08:52.38 | Stskeeps | yes, i was putting it in wrong |
| 08:52.46 | Venemo | :P |
| 08:53.20 | macmaN | yeah im tellin u that microsd slot gets everyone |
| 08:53.29 | harbaum | you probably just didn't apply enough force |
| 08:53.42 | Venemo | macmaN, I don't miss it. didn't use it on N900 either |
| 08:53.45 | Termana | macmaN, have you been trolling? :p |
| 08:54.09 | Stskeeps | wow, that browser is fast |
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| 08:54.58 | macmaN | Stskeeps: yes, its the first time ive ever been satisfied with a mobile browsing experience. even the screen seems just about big enough to be usable. |
| 08:55.18 | macmaN | Venemo: i wouldnt either... if n950 had 32gb of room |
| 08:55.28 | Venemo | macmaN, :) |
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| 09:34.38 | Venemo | where can I find the list of available platformIconIds on Harmattan? |
| 09:37.33 | macmaN | i think http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=User:Venemo&action=edit |
| 09:37.37 | macmaN | :) |
| 09:41.26 | SpeedEvil | wonders if platformica is the material you use to make durable hardwearing themes. |
| 09:41.38 | hiemanshu | Venemo: Your order has been sent on 14.7.2011. |
| 09:41.40 | hiemanshu | :D |
| 09:41.55 | Venemo | hiemanshu, finally! :) |
| 09:42.03 | Termana | hiemanshu, nooooooo |
| 09:42.05 | hiemanshu | Venemo: right, finally |
| 09:42.09 | hiemanshu | Termana: not yet sent? |
| 09:42.14 | Termana | no :( :p |
| 09:42.34 | hiemanshu | Termana: wait for it, or email the DDP one |
| 09:43.02 | cpscotti | hiemanshu, finally! I feel the world is a safer place now.. less violent... :D |
| 09:43.08 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: hahah |
| 09:43.09 | Venemo | anyone here feels like helping me with QML or I should go into #qt-qml instead? |
| 09:43.11 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: well not really no |
| 09:44.05 | cpscotti | hiemanshu, why so? will only settle when it's in ur hands? |
| 09:44.40 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: naah, will settle only when I get a N900, my brother is law is planning to steal mine :P |
| 09:45.11 | cpscotti | hiemanshu, lol.. or when someone kicks selop out of finland? That would make this planet less violent for sure.. |
| 09:45.28 | Venemo | seems that achipa got tired of me and quit... |
| 09:45.35 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: well if that happens, I'll sign a peace agreement, never to be violent again |
| 09:45.43 | hiemanshu | ~logs |
| 09:45.43 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 09:47.49 | Venemo | why don't these damn buttons appear in my QML?? |
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| 09:50.56 | Venemo | achipa, thanks for coming back! I'm having trouble again... shall I bother you in this channel, or in #qt-qml ? |
| 09:52.23 | achipa | urrm, a bit busy at the moment (if you tell the guys at #maemo they are going to get their devices later because of you, go ahead ;) ) |
| 09:52.40 | macmaN | i am not starting my first qt qml adventure for a few more days |
| 09:54.20 | Venemo | achipa, err, you found a way to bugger me off, haven't you? :P |
| 09:57.02 | Venemo | meh |
| 10:00.56 | Venemo | I created a new Harmattan app in Qt Creator, then cloned the MainPage and named the clone MyPage in MyPage.qml, and I added MyPage { id: myPage } into the main.qml, then I also added MyPage.qml into the res.qrc. then I added two ToolButtons in a ButtonRow into the toolbar in main.qml. the problem is, the tool buttons don't look like how they're supposed to look like. |
| 10:01.29 | Venemo | maybe they shouldn't be ToolButtons? I'm trying that. |
| 10:02.11 | Venemo | ah yes, now they look as they should! |
| 10:03.16 | Venemo | achipa, what I wasn't able to figure out though is where I can find the available platformIconIds |
| 10:04.17 | achipa | um, don't remember off the top of my head |
| 10:04.27 | Venemo | np, it's not urgent |
| 10:04.35 | achipa | and no, not buggering off, just that I have this pesky thing called day job ;) |
| 10:04.40 | Venemo | :) |
| 10:05.01 | frals | iirc /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons/ |
| 10:05.03 | Venemo | well, honestly, I'm really sorry that I always bother you with these questions |
| 10:05.07 | Venemo | frals, aah, thanks |
| 10:05.36 | Venemo | also, how do I draw a "window title" for my app? |
| 10:06.06 | frals | window title? |
| 10:06.54 | frals | Venemo: the banner like thingy in notes? |
| 10:07.05 | Venemo | yes, eg. what the Contacts app has |
| 10:07.28 | frals | dont think there is such a component |
| 10:07.34 | Venemo | meh! |
| 10:07.53 | frals | its just a rectangle with height x and width: window.width |
| 10:07.59 | Venemo | mhm |
| 10:10.43 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:10.54 | cpscotti | Morning! |
| 10:13.19 | Venemo | frals, it's not working :( |
| 10:13.48 | Venemo | http://pastebin.com/bFVvKTgN -> the rectangle doesn't appear at all |
| 10:17.06 | frals | hates how firefox is completely unreliable when using autoconf proxy |
| 10:18.38 | frals | Venemo: im guessing having z: parent.z + 1 or just z: 10 should make it visible |
| 10:19.04 | Venemo | ok |
| 10:19.56 | frals | afaik we had to use a bunch of hacks to have the banner stay on each page properly without adding it to each Page {} |
| 10:20.10 | Venemo | frals, z: parent.z + 1 does not work |
| 10:20.17 | frals | so the pagestackwindow etc might not be bestest pals with doing something like this |
| 10:20.32 | frals | Venemo: try z: 10 |
| 10:20.36 | Venemo | I also hate how it takes ages for Qt Creator to run my stuff... |
| 10:20.49 | Venemo | frals, z: 345 didn't work either |
| 10:21.02 | Venemo | misses the "skip packaging step" option |
| 10:21.43 | frals | Venemo: anchors.top: parent.top; width: parent.width; in the rectangle |
| 10:22.18 | Venemo | ok |
| 10:23.04 | Venemo | frals, still no luck |
| 10:23.18 | frals | hm. thats pretty much what i do here and it works |
| 10:23.21 | macmaN | one thing i havent figured out about n950 is why upswipe doesnt answer call right away |
| 10:23.41 | macmaN | i think the accidentaly keypress barrier has been lifted after you swipe the screen |
| 10:23.45 | Venemo | frals, http://pastebin.com/6yvx5Ljq |
| 10:23.47 | macmaN | accidental* |
| 10:24.20 | frals | Venemo: getting any warnings when running? |
| 10:24.21 | Venemo | macmaN, yeah, that would be sensible. maybe it's in a newer sw? |
| 10:24.50 | Venemo | frals, a lot. http://pastebin.com/a6UvxPSE |
| 10:24.51 | macmaN | yep right. it doesnt really make sense to even think about these things before we see a fresh firmware :) |
| 10:25.14 | macmaN | when you reflash device, does your homedir stay intact? |
| 10:25.25 | Venemo | frals, qrc:/qml/main.qml:17: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: white |
| 10:25.27 | Venemo | hmm |
| 10:25.30 | Venemo | that may explain |
| 10:26.41 | frals | Venemo: "" around the color names |
| 10:26.45 | frals | Venemo: after that it works fine |
| 10:26.48 | Venemo | color: #ffffff also doesn't |
| 10:26.50 | Venemo | aaah |
| 10:26.52 | Venemo | I need "" |
| 10:26.53 | Venemo | ok |
| 10:26.55 | frals | its strings |
| 10:26.59 | frals | so yeah |
| 10:27.03 | Venemo | ok |
| 10:27.14 | Venemo | let's see |
| 10:27.29 | Venemo | what are the other warnings? |
| 10:27.33 | frals | Venemo: and change the height, the first 28px are occupied by the statusbar |
| 10:27.40 | lcuk | frals, Color: "Trout" |
| 10:27.43 | frals | (iirc its 28, could be slightly different) |
| 10:27.53 | Venemo | ok |
| 10:28.41 | frals | the SGX/MBX i guess is some information, im getting it on all my apps as well ;) same with the xdamage |
| 10:29.03 | Venemo | frals, ok, now the rectangle appears, but it kinda appears outside the window |
| 10:29.21 | Venemo | and it is not rounded |
| 10:29.34 | frals | Venemo: statusbar is occupying X first pixels from top afaik |
| 10:29.50 | Venemo | I understand, but what does that have to do with my app? |
| 10:29.51 | frals | and its not rounded because its not on a Page but defined in the page stack window |
| 10:30.01 | Venemo | meh... |
| 10:30.03 | frals | Venemo: your app is drawing below the statusbar |
| 10:30.16 | frals | iirc |
| 10:30.23 | frals | this is just how i understand it, i might be completely wrong |
| 10:31.06 | frals | Venemo: afaik there is a StatusBar{} that you can use, anchor your rectangle to statusbar.bottom if you define it in the pagestackwindow-thingy |
| 10:31.22 | Venemo | mhm |
| 10:31.32 | Venemo | I'll try |
| 10:31.48 | frals | but do you want this rectangle to be shown on every view in your whole application? |
| 10:31.57 | frals | if its only for the first page id recommend putting it only on that page |
| 10:32.10 | Venemo | indeed, I'm aspiring it to be a "window title bar" or sth like that |
| 10:32.21 | Venemo | maybe I'll put different ones onto different pages |
| 10:33.17 | Venemo | mhm, ok, it works now, but still not rounded. |
| 10:33.26 | Venemo | I guess I'll just put different ones onto my different pages |
| 10:33.54 | Venemo | now my other question is, if these QMLs are my "views", then how do I make C++ "controller objects" behind them? |
| 10:34.13 | Venemo | basically I need to bind eventhandlers of the C++ objects to the events of QML objects |
| 10:34.27 | Venemo | and I need to bind some properties of the C++ objects to the properties of QML objects |
| 10:35.12 | frals | define the properties in c++ side with Q_PROPERTY and you can use them with object.property in QML |
| 10:35.44 | frals | only thing it needs iirc is to inherit from qobject |
| 10:36.36 | alterego | wonders where DHL is |
| 10:36.45 | lcuk | does too |
| 10:37.01 | alterego | I need to go and get some food, but I don't want to go out because I'll probably miss the bloody delivery. |
| 10:38.20 | lcuk | some areas if you blink you miss the delivery :P |
| 10:38.30 | Venemo | achipa, can you reopen this one or should I open a new one for Harmattan? http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-1636 |
| 10:39.19 | Venemo | frals, okay, how do I go about event handlers? |
| 10:39.25 | alterego | lcuk: yes, my area is just like that t:P |
| 10:39.33 | Venemo | frals, also, do I instantiate the C++ object in QML? |
| 10:39.57 | lcuk | frals, hich apps are you working on atm? |
| 10:39.59 | frals | Venemo: depends on your design, you can do both afaik |
| 10:40.07 | frals | lcuk: :-) |
| 10:40.08 | Venemo | frals, which one is better? |
| 10:40.28 | Venemo | hey lcuk, I can make buttons and tool bars with QML! :) |
| 10:40.30 | frals | Venemo: i guess it depends on your design, i wouldnt know if it makes a difference really |
| 10:40.41 | lcuk | Venemo, :D |
| 10:40.45 | frals | but i dont trust qmls garbagecolelctor that much |
| 10:41.07 | Venemo | frals, well, they won't need to be collected until the app quits |
| 10:43.02 | lcuk | can a qml layout designed at 480*800 (for instance) be stretch rendered at 360*640 for instance? |
| 10:43.44 | Venemo | I have no idea |
| 10:46.17 | Stskeeps | lcuk, if done properly with anchors |
| 10:47.32 | lcuk | oooh dhl man o_O |
| 10:47.45 | lcuk | Stskeeps, that is not the default then I gather |
| 10:47.59 | lcuk | I saw 3d qml dudes being instaniated at various sizes |
| 10:48.36 | lcuk | if the normal qml could be stretched in a similar way it would simplify stuff :D |
| 10:48.37 | frals | anchors is pretty standard to use i guess |
| 10:48.53 | frals | but knowing designers you have to specify margins and stuff in pixels |
| 10:49.03 | frals | which is going to break layouts when screen resolution change |
| 10:51.11 | Venemo | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-5458 lazy bastards |
| 10:51.13 | Venemo | seriously |
| 10:51.59 | Venemo | I _never_ asked Qt Creator to create a package for me, but it does, because some idiotic moron thought it's a good idea to package the app every time I run it |
| 10:52.15 | Venemo | and now they say it won't do this for me if I already have a debian folder |
| 10:52.39 | Venemo | and now they say it's not a bug |
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| 10:53.51 | Venemo | and I remember fighting them for the same thing a year ago for Maemo 5 |
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| 10:56.22 | khertan | the devkit box code is funny :) |
| 10:56.50 | Venemo | khertan, what does it do? |
| 10:57.22 | khertan | didn't test it as you sent your tweet login and password to a server |
| 10:57.43 | khertan | but it should send i just launched my #n950 #nokiadevkit |
| 10:57.50 | Venemo | mhm |
| 10:57.54 | khertan | http://94.199.118.194/devkit/bg.jpg <<< the background image |
| 10:58.56 | Venemo | ah, nice :D |
| 11:00.44 | trx | nice |
| 11:10.17 | cpscotti | Key there, anyone got QtQuick 1.1 working in Ubuntu 10.10? I keep getting "module "QtQuick" version 1.1 is not installed". I added fn's ppa and installed the packages but nothing goes to /opt/... |
| 11:10.31 | cpscotti | s/Key/Hey |
| 11:16.26 | cpscotti | (tried whatever was on http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2011/06/23/nokia-meego-1.2-harmattan-qt-quick-components to no avail) |
| 11:18.46 | Stskeeps | tries to figure out if he likes harmattan ui |
| 11:20.31 | Venemo | Stskeeps, apart from the portrait-only stuff, I like it so far |
| 11:20.53 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: you most likely don't - I don't at least, as it's finger-optimized and not meant to operate a serious "desktop". It's a *phone* |
| 11:20.54 | alterego | I like the idea of swiping around |
| 11:21.12 | lcuk | can somebody try connecting to meego.com on the browser on n950 |
| 11:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 11:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: isn't that a known "issue" that you can't? |
| 11:21.48 | Venemo | lcuk, it is not possible over HTTPS |
| 11:22.09 | macmaN | yep |
| 11:22.19 | macmaN | self signed certs are big no-no for the browser |
| 11:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 11:22.29 | macmaN | unless we can add our own certs to the store right? |
| 11:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia using selfsigned cert? LOL |
| 11:23.41 | macmaN | i dont think meego.com is self-signed, that must be something else |
| 11:23.53 | macmaN | verified by godaddy |
| 11:26.12 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, http://meego.com is not ssl page though? |
| 11:26.33 | lcuk | oh its not |
| 11:26.35 | lcuk | curious |
| 11:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: no, but their screwed login is |
| 11:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 11:30.11 | Venemo | lcuk, https://meego.com fails |
| 11:30.31 | Stskeeps | filed a bug? |
| 11:31.18 | Venemo | I think SSL is one of the 3000 errors fixed already in harmattan |
| 11:31.27 | Venemo | if only they released a new image |
| 11:31.31 | Venemo | so we could know |
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| 11:49.41 | Mek | hmm, does anybody know if there is a way around aegis not allowing me to upgrade an existing package with my own built vesion? (complaining about origin not correct, and AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN only being allowed in a OPEN device) |
| 11:54.09 | Termana | Put it in Open mode. yeaaah mannn |
| 11:54.39 | Mek | but how do I do that? :) |
| 11:55.01 | Termana | Mek, some have suggested it's an RD flag |
| 11:55.48 | Termana | Disclaimer: If your mother gets stolen because you set it to open mode, I have prewarned you |
| 11:55.54 | Mek | i see no-omap-wd, no-ext-wd, no-lifeguard-reset, serial-console, no-usb-timeout, sti-console, no-charging and force-power-key as possible R&D flags... |
| 11:56.03 | Mek | none of those scream "open mode" to me... |
| 11:56.18 | Mek | I guess I could just try them one by one... |
| 12:02.31 | Venemo | like button in facebook app doesn't work 80% of time |
| 12:03.18 | flux | mek, hm, so it is not possible to remove the package first? |
| 12:03.47 | flux | (if it's -upgrading- that's the issue) |
| 12:04.52 | Mek | I'm not entirely sure how the checks in aegis/dpkg work, but anyway removing the package would also require removing mp-harmattan-rm680-pr, so not sure I want to do that :) |
| 12:07.16 | flux | mek, I -think- it's maybe harmless |
| 12:07.16 | Termana | Mek, no I don't think it would be one of those. I thought Quim was suppose to release details on open mode, but I haven't seen anything from him. |
| 12:07.27 | flux | mek, hey, it's a developer device, you can (?) always reflash it ;) |
| 12:07.54 | flux | mek, it sounds like it's the same virtual package that n900 had.. so it just depends on the default installation packages, but doesn't provide itself nothing. |
| 12:08.03 | flux | it might break over-the-air upgrades though |
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| 12:08.52 | Mek | flux: I can reflash it, if I have a properly signed image to reflash it with, yes... |
| 12:08.56 | Termana | flux, AFAIK, there will be no OTA upgrades for the N950. Any further releases (if any) will need to be flashed manually. |
| 12:09.20 | lardman | my wife just phoned to say DHL have arrived :) |
| 12:09.34 | lardman | is there a newer image than the one on the device? |
| 12:09.35 | Termana | Unless of course your talking about implications for replacing the package in production on the N9 |
| 12:10.01 | flux | mek, oh, so that flash image isn't available? |
| 12:10.09 | Mek | I don't know |
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| 12:11.24 | Termana | I think javispedro has reflashed his or DocScrutinizer might have details from javispedro's attempt. |
| 12:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 12:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | *I* reflashed mine |
| 12:11.55 | Mek | so where did you get your image? |
| 12:12.07 | Termana | ok DocScrutinizer reflashed his, DocScrutinizer would have the details |
| 12:12.11 | Termana | :p |
| 12:12.30 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, give me a break, I can only remember so much :p |
| 12:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | https://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html |
| 12:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | I guess there's also a less obfuscated URL, sorry for that |
| 12:13.47 | Termana | ~n950flash |
| 12:13.55 | Termana | infobot, n950flash is https://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html |
| 12:13.56 | infobot | okay, Termana |
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| 12:15.54 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: is that a newer image? (I don't have the device in my hands yet, is waiting at home) |
| 12:16.28 | alterego | Guess what has just arrived :D |
| 12:17.13 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 12:17.29 | mgedmin | what's the harmattan spelling of osso-product-info? |
| 12:17.55 | Termana | alterego, your mum? |
| 12:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: no, same as the one device shipped with |
| 12:21.57 | Kaadlajk | mgedmin: sysinfoclient -a, gives similar info and some more |
| 12:22.10 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 12:23.47 | mgedmin | thanks |
| 12:28.53 | alterego | Wow, this is nice .. |
| 12:29.09 | alterego | Well, I've used one before, but this is nice. |
| 12:29.20 | alterego | prepares for his first keyboard opening. |
| 12:31.25 | mgedmin | the microusb port is very stiff |
| 12:35.23 | Termana | Well, there you go guys. Don't open the keyboard otherwise you will die from shock |
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| 12:36.23 | flux | termana, ..shock of awesomeness? |
| 12:36.43 | Termana | seems like it |
| 12:36.52 | laasonen | Qgil said on the forum that there is a setting to activate a swipe down gesture that will close the app directly, but I can't find it :( |
| 12:37.08 | achipa | settings->device->screen |
| 12:37.40 | Kaadlajk | but that setting is not on the firmware that comes with N950 afaik |
| 12:37.51 | laasonen | Ok :/ |
| 12:38.27 | laasonen | Is it possible with gconftool or something? |
| 12:40.11 | Kaadlajk | I dont think so |
| 12:40.22 | laasonen | k |
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| 13:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: It seemed to me like n950 has an aggressive strategy to switch to 2G whenever reasonable - probably based on traffic type and volume, dunno |
| 13:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | or it really is pretty poor on UMTS/3G signal |
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| 13:06.26 | alterego | Hmm .. |
| 13:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | It'd be interesting to tshark phonet IF and see if this is done by internet connection daemon or whatever it's called on harmattan, or it is a property of the modem itself |
| 13:08.30 | alterego | Ah, just switched to 3G |
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| 13:08.43 | alterego | and then back to 2g, oh well :) |
| 13:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I mean |
| 13:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | 2G is way better regarding power conservation |
| 13:11.18 | alterego | yeah, .. |
| 13:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | so probably they actively do *someting* to keep the device on 2G whenever possible and reasonable, at the expense of sometimes losing 1s or 2 for switching to 3G when you start e.g webbrowser (aahyes, I think webbrowser kept it on 3G for me) |
| 13:11.53 | alterego | Not when you're trying to use it asd a modem :P |
| 13:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 13:12.30 | alterego | Wow, the vkb is awesome. |
| 13:12.39 | alterego | I haven't missed a key yet .. |
| 13:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | following this policy when device is "tethered" was clearly a bug |
| 13:12.43 | alterego | It's easier than the N8 |
| 13:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | I still hate it |
| 13:13.47 | alterego | I think it's probably the best I've used. |
| 13:13.52 | alterego | and that's in portrait. |
| 13:14.27 | alterego | No tweitter :( |
| 13:14.49 | Stskeeps | time to install CE ;p |
| 13:15.06 | Venemo | alterego, congrats |
| 13:15.14 | Venemo | alterego, you liking? |
| 13:15.54 | alterego | Very much so |
| 13:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | wait til you find out about new slogan: "This is NOT a palmtop computer, this is a mee-too iPhone lookalike smartphone" |
| 13:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | while for N900 it's always been "This is NOT a phone, this is a computer that happens to have a modem with call option built in" |
| 13:21.10 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:21.42 | Venemo | so what? |
| 13:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | all the (smart)phone aspects of N950 harmattan seem rather polished, while the palmtop computing virtually vanished. I'm surprised it still comes with a terminal |
| 13:22.17 | Venemo | well, it also has a better e-mail client, better IM capabilities, better browser |
| 13:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but no more text markup and c&p, not even in terminal :-P |
| 13:23.00 | Venemo | there is c&p |
| 13:23.05 | alterego | Still, where's the twitter?! |
| 13:23.22 | Venemo | alterego, not in there yet. promised for the next sw image |
| 13:23.44 | alterego | Lame |
| 13:23.56 | Venemo | note that the current image is 5 weeks old |
| 13:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: ooh it has? maybe in text input boxes |
| 13:24.23 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, yes, I can select text with my finger and it gives a popup with wich I can cut or copy |
| 13:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | definitely not in browser, nor in terminal |
| 13:24.33 | Venemo | any textbox |
| 13:24.44 | Venemo | browser: no text selection for webpages |
| 13:25.03 | Venemo | alterego, some knowledgeable people say 3000 bugs have been fixed since the release of the image we have |
| 13:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | since fork |
| 13:25.46 | Venemo | yes, that. |
| 13:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | and the knowledgeable people were particularly konttori |
| 13:26.02 | Venemo | anyway, me wants new image |
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| 13:33.35 | Venemo | hmm |
| 13:33.46 | Venemo | alterego, have you looked at the QMLComp... apps in N950's menu? |
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| 13:34.41 | zaheerm | Jaffa, thanks for the maps trick |
| 13:35.58 | Jaffa | zaheerm: No problem. IMNSHO, Maps still isn't anywhere near as good as Wayfinder on N810 |
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| 13:38.52 | zaheerm | Jaffa: that's probably the case but better than nothing i guess, i am hoping the GPS at least locks without needing data connection |
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| 13:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
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| 13:43.46 | hiemanshu | Venemo: around? |
| 13:44.21 | Venemo | hiemanshu, ye |
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| 13:44.31 | hiemanshu | Venemo: PM? |
| 13:44.40 | Venemo | sure |
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| 13:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | better |
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| 13:48.13 | Venemo | alterego, do you know QML? |
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| 13:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | has *anybody* got an email form *DHL* with the tracking number and shipping details? |
| 13:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | ever? |
| 13:51.45 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 13:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | mind to share the exact "From:" ? |
| 13:52.07 | cpscotti | DocScrutinizer, I got one. |
| 13:52.20 | zaheerm | i didn't get one |
| 13:52.24 | zaheerm | but received the phone |
| 13:52.54 | cpscotti | DocScrutinizer, the first one was from polla.esguerra@nokia.com |
| 13:52.59 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, yes, but that's only because I clicked on the link in Nokia's mail and clicked to "subscribe for notifications" or whatever |
| 13:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | a lot of people didn't get any, several got the phone nevertheless. *I* got a mail from *Nokia* |
| 13:53.07 | cpscotti | (with tracking number and everything) |
| 13:53.10 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, me too |
| 13:53.32 | CaCO3 | mine still sais new order, since a week :( |
| 13:53.41 | cpscotti | and then I added e-mail notifications at the dhl website and started receiving e-mails from support@dhl.com |
| 13:53.58 | DocScrutinizer | yes cpscotti that's normal |
| 13:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | but the *initial* mail with tracking number seems to be always from Nokia |
| 13:54.23 | cpscotti | yep.. |
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| 13:54.31 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, indeed |
| 13:54.33 | DocScrutinizer | unless Stskeeps tells us different facts |
| 13:55.08 | cpscotti | actually, I just realised that the first e-mail was from @nokia now that I went to search for it to paste here.. lol |
| 13:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it _looks_ like a DHL mail, by the text body, but it's a mail Nokia got from DHL and forwarded it to addressee |
| 13:56.21 | Termana | CaCO3, your not alone. Unless they have left it at my post office (rural town) and by coincidence I have also not received the tracking number from Nokia |
| 13:56.56 | CaCO3 | Termana: but whats you order status on teh order page? |
| 13:57.10 | Termana | New Order |
| 13:57.15 | Termana | or w/e |
| 13:57.50 | Venemo | Termana, they don't involve the post office |
| 13:58.27 | CaCO3 | whats your order id/when did you order it? |
| 13:58.28 | Termana | Venemo, I have previously received packages at my post office from companies that will only ship to a home address |
| 13:58.32 | CaCO3 | just curoius |
| 13:58.37 | Venemo | Termana, meh! |
| 13:59.14 | Termana | (they were written to the home address as well I should mention, I did not explicitly have them mailed to my post office) |
| 13:59.40 | Termana | CaCO3, on the 7th. I can't tell you my order number, d.n.c seems down but it was a low one |
| 13:59.57 | Termana | (relatively to all other N950 order numbers, low that is) |
| 14:00.44 | CaCO3 | I ordered mine also on the 7. |
| 14:00.57 | Sicelo | ~logs |
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| 14:01.26 | cpscotti | Venemo, frals , saw u guys talking about qml+pageStacks earlier. Are you guys testing that on the device or on the desktop? |
| 14:01.44 | Venemo | cpscotti, I test on N950 |
| 14:02.38 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: do I need to repeat the question here? :P |
| 14:02.46 | cpscotti | Venemo, that's what I'm doing too.. but wasn't one of the main advantages of qml the fact you could quickly view it on the desktop using qmlviewer? |
| 14:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: yes, but please rephrase, as I didn't get it anyway |
| 14:03.13 | Venemo | cpscotti, I have no idea if the Harmattan QML components work on the desktop |
| 14:03.33 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: what time did you get the email from x.y@nokia.com with the DHL shipping details |
| 14:04.01 | cpscotti | well.. if you find a way to do it gimme a ping here.. till then I'll focus on the n950 too then. :d |
| 14:04.35 | MohammadAG | tbh, I'm not convinced that I should use components |
| 14:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: Von: joan bondad@nokia.com An: reisenweber@xxx.de Datum: 2011-07-06 14:31 |
| 14:05.15 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: that is your local time I assume |
| 14:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | >>DHL Intraship - Shipment notification<< |
| 14:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes, that's 1h off to HEL |
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| 14:09.59 | MohammadAG | fucking bandwidth limits |
| 14:10.07 | MohammadAG | 128kbps ftw |
| 14:10.24 | hiemanshu | 2mbps ft |
| 14:10.25 | hiemanshu | ftw |
| 14:11.12 | MohammadAG | so besides me, who else hasn't had their N950 shipped? |
| 14:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | btw regarding 950 charging: yes, it needs the D+- short, otherwise asks "mass storage|SDK|forgot-what" and complains about "Not charging! insufficient power" |
| 14:11.50 | CaCO3 | MohammadAG: me :( |
| 14:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | So I gather it starts charging at 100mA just like N900 |
| 14:12.10 | MohammadAG | SDK is PC Suite mode afaik |
| 14:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:12.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, does it still use bme? |
| 14:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | err no, according to ps |
| 14:13.18 | Termana | MohammadAG, me |
| 14:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | dunno what else it is using |
| 14:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | have to check if they moved all that crap to kernel, or what else they did |
| 14:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | or just renamed bme -> cnf ? |
| 14:15.01 | cpscotti | goes out to stress test N950's phone call capabilities - calling credit card company... |
| 14:15.15 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> lsmod|grep bat |
| 14:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | battery 12836 0 |
| 14:15.35 | frals | sync and connect would be pc suite mode |
| 14:15.45 | frals | sdk would be sdk afaik |
| 14:15.55 | MohammadAG | the incoming call dialog looks fun to use |
| 14:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | MEH scatch all that, EWIN |
| 14:16.13 | frals | ps aux|grep bme says its bme still ;) |
| 14:16.34 | Venemo | MohammadAG, no, SDK is USB networking |
| 14:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ps ax|grep bme |
| 14:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.58 | MohammadAG | RX-71? |
| 14:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | ssh timed out without me noticing ;-D |
| 14:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, yup, sic! |
| 14:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ssh? |
| 14:19.08 | Venemo | they told that RX-71 was a development board |
| 14:19.27 | frals | 'they'? |
| 14:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: maybe a devel board with rather identical charger hw |
| 14:19.47 | Venemo | frals, several guys from Nokia, eg. timeless |
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| 14:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | frals: "they" == $Nokia - $chan_users |
| 14:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | frals: without any assessment |
| 14:27.15 | DocScrutinizer | anyway this bme_RX71 behaves quite a bit different than N900 bme. It doesn't charge every 3 minutes for 1 minute (rough guessed numbers) but rather enables charging every 15 or 30 or sth minutes for a longer period and to a lower termination current. Actually it stops charging when current is well below ~25mA (also guess). This also means that harm doesn't crank up CPU to full speed when connected to charger |
| 14:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | so you could say the whole bat mgmt is a bit more sane than on fremantle |
| 14:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | a little bit |
| 14:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# bme <tabtab> |
| 14:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | bme_RX-71 bmedatalogger bmestat |
| 14:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 14:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | bmestat is AWESOME |
| 14:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/122876/ |
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| 14:31.28 | SpeedEvil | That is interesting! |
| 14:31.41 | SpeedEvil | Clearly it has MaGik IP! |
| 14:31.53 | alterego | Neat |
| 14:32.03 | alterego | Is there a, like, wikipage of cool info on the N950? |
| 14:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/122877/ |
| 14:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | ^^^bmedatalogger --help |
| 14:32.47 | alterego | Well, I'm ssh'd into a device now, already saw that :P |
| 14:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | looks like they got inspired by my bq27200 script a bit ;-) |
| 14:33.07 | alterego | I can see it's going to require a little time to accustom myself with the hwkb :D |
| 14:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: there may be users here that not (yet?) have access to harmattan and still are interested |
| 14:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. SpeedEvil |
| 14:34.32 | SpeedEvil | That is quite awesome. |
| 14:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.14 | alterego | I know :P |
| 14:35.14 | alterego | I really like the notification light, reminds me of that tattoo the chick has in Tron Legacy .. |
| 14:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 14:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, just the color is so... |
| 14:35.49 | alterego | It would be much cooler if it was a low res display. |
| 14:35.59 | alterego | It's pretty lame yeah .. |
| 14:36.02 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Glue on some bubble-wrap |
| 14:36.05 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:36.26 | Venemo | alterego, there is: http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 |
| 14:37.01 | alterego | I already managed to import everything. |
| 14:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/122878/ <-bme_RX-71 |
| 14:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | Battery Management Entity (BME), version 3.8.1.20 |
| 14:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.53 | Venemo | alterego, there are other "cool info" on that page |
| 14:40.19 | mgedmin | so, I can't use arrow keys/space bar to scroll the page in a web browser? |
| 14:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if in >>/usr/sbin/bme_RX-71 -u -l syslog -v 5 -c /usr/lib/hwi/hw/rx71.so<< the "-u" links to the "/usr/lib/hwi/hw/rx71.so" argument? |
| 14:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | if so then it's a way to write this command that makes me shudder |
| 14:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | if not then I'm totally lost |
| 14:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | also note they used "-c" :-D |
| 14:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | maybe RX-71 and N950 aren't THAT identical regarding charging hw |
| 14:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | also note that bmestat output suggests bme_RX-71 still has legacy support for other than LITHIUM batteries |
| 14:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | I know the "bme" (or maybe even without "ticks"?) in my y2000 Nokia 6210 had such support for different battery types, and they used BSI to detect different cell technologies there |
| 14:51.59 | lcuk | what screensize if n9 |
| 14:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 14:52.14 | lcuk | and frals did you mention earlier the size of the topbar things |
| 14:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9-00/ |
| 14:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | Screen Resolution 854 x 480 px |
| 14:54.15 | DocScrutinizer | 3.9 in |
| 14:55.39 | lcuk | thanks doc, it is the screenres that was important |
| 14:55.49 | lcuk | I am thinking of making a QML wrapper |
| 14:55.58 | lcuk | which will create a set of app instances |
| 14:56.09 | lcuk | to test how well QML runs at the various required sizes |
| 14:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 14:56.46 | lcuk | maybe even a webservice |
| 14:57.04 | lcuk | which will get source, build it, run it in qemu at each res taking a screenshot |
| 14:57.05 | lcuk | hmm |
| 14:57.14 | lcuk | then a nice formatted report |
| 14:57.28 | lcuk | your QML component [foo] looks like this on all the devices: |
| 14:58.01 | lcuk | but I need outer and inner screensizes |
| 14:58.14 | lcuk | (ie titlebars and frames, I best start making some notes |
| 14:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: how much will it cost per month to sign up? :-D |
| 14:58.22 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :) |
| 14:58.25 | frals | lcuk: you can request fullscreen which hides the statusbar |
| 14:58.36 | frals | but iirc statusbar is something like 28px |
| 14:58.44 | lcuk | frals, but knowing how much of the screen on different systems is available is useful |
| 14:58.48 | frals | someone could take a screen and measure |
| 14:59.09 | frals | but not me cos im finally going home! |
| 14:59.11 | lcuk | frals, not so vital now, the n8 is obviously different as is maemo5 maemo 4 etc |
| 14:59.19 | lcuk | have an enjoyable evening frals \o |
| 14:59.24 | lcuk | enjoy your trout :P |
| 14:59.30 | frals | doubt it, have to clean when i get home :P |
| 14:59.48 | frals | and somehow have time to make dinner and pack my bag for the weekend home-home |
| 14:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | there's that weird "show dimensions" in boostedWG |
| 14:59.56 | lcuk | there is a pizza shop nearby, eat there |
| 15:00.15 | frals | lcuk: i got one closer to my place than that one ;) |
| 15:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | it works *cross-app* :-o |
| 15:00.23 | frals | but no pizza, had burger for lunch :D |
| 15:00.33 | frals | DocScrutinizer: think its only for mtf apps |
| 15:00.39 | frals | same as the fps counter in wg |
| 15:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | possibly |
| 15:01.01 | frals | but theres some quite nice debugtools in wg |
| 15:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | you nevertheless at very least should be able to tell size of top bar |
| 15:01.20 | frals | wonder if the show margins/layouts is still there |
| 15:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | it is |
| 15:01.52 | frals | anyway im off for the walk home, laters o/ |
| 15:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 15:02.01 | frals | and lcuk no more talk about polluting the n950 with windows phone! ;) |
| 15:02.34 | lcuk | frals, lol |
| 15:02.35 | lcuk | ok |
| 15:02.47 | lcuk | i am just asking questions, it is lovely and shiny |
| 15:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: so you still need exact dimesnions? |
| 15:02.59 | lcuk | i am trying to see whether html5 app would work well on it |
| 15:03.11 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, no, i just vocalised an idea |
| 15:03.20 | lcuk | and recall frals mentioning size in pixels earlier |
| 15:03.47 | lcuk | i suppose such a report would be best inside qt-creator itself one day |
| 15:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | I could crank up this boostWG thing about dimensions and see what I get... |
| 15:03.53 | lcuk | but a web service will do for now |
| 15:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess you could do the same :-) |
| 15:05.53 | lardman | ~logs |
| 15:05.53 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
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| 15:06.12 | lardman | evening reading to catch up |
| 15:07.44 | lcuk | mgedmin, can we have some real logs of this channel pretty please?! |
| 15:07.50 | lcuk | lardman, \o |
| 15:08.06 | lcuk | clicks on WP_installer.msi on his N950 |
| 15:08.35 | lardman | crosses fingers that opensuse has installed correctly on his laptop |
| 15:09.19 | lcuk | n950 has no lanyard tab |
| 15:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | anyway regarding frals' comment: the compass app doesn't show any dimensions/positions |
| 15:15.17 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, there's a compass app??? |
| 15:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | could anybody with better experience about such things explain to me how to do the "move device in a shape of a 8" dance to calibrate magnetometer - correctly? I just ahd a second chance and besides still needing mechanical taps to the device to move the needle of compass, I also got massive misguidance regarding where's North when I rotate the device by 90° or 180° |
| 15:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: http://projects.developer.nokia.com/compass/wiki/WikiStart |
| 15:16.34 | Venemo | ah |
| 15:17.06 | Venemo | I'll try it sometime |
| 15:19.42 | cpscotti | hey all, is this http://developer.qt.nokia.com/ working for anyone? looks totally broken here... :/ |
| 15:19.51 | mgedmin | hi, lcuk |
| 15:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | well I heard this 8-move to calibrate is a common thing for other phones as well. So according to your experience with any phone that needs this 8-calib, should it be done with device orentation "flat" (screen up), should I keep the bearing of the device or move it USB aheadalong that path of an 8? |
| 15:20.56 | alterego | I had to do that on the N8, was a pain in the ass. |
| 15:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 15:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | what's the correct way to do it anyway |
| 15:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 15:21.46 | SpeedEvil | I would guess it means rotate it with the screen up, in the direction a pen travels when writing a letter 8 |
| 15:21.47 | lcuk | mgedmin, n950 is shiny! |
| 15:21.56 | mgedmin | nods |
| 15:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | nods as well |
| 15:22.13 | mgedmin | the application switcher is rather inconvenient to use in landscape mode |
| 15:22.29 | hiemanshu | will nod soonish |
| 15:22.31 | lcuk | the keyboard is amazingly comfy! |
| 15:25.59 | mgedmin | it's warm and I don't have enough pockets for all my nokias... |
| 15:28.57 | SpeedEvil | natures pocket. |
| 15:29.03 | SpeedEvil | Or does that void the warranty? |
| 15:29.24 | mgedmin | what warranty? |
| 15:31.30 | mgedmin | gconftool -g /system/policy/warranty -> invalid |
| 15:33.22 | mgedmin | the browser is weird |
| 15:33.58 | mgedmin | in ways that are difficult to describe |
| 15:34.15 | mgedmin | e.g. going back to the same wordpress page from history suddenly goes to the mobile version instead of the regular version |
| 15:34.26 | mgedmin | which didn't happen when you originally went to that blog post by clicking on a link |
| 15:35.52 | mgedmin | just now fonts were all weird and fuzzy on google/reader/i, until I double-tapped to re-zoom |
| 15:36.03 | mgedmin | except it doesn't actually allow any zoom here |
| 15:40.02 | mgedmin | the Drive app is excellent |
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| 15:45.25 | Venemo | mgedmin, all the home screens are a pain when keyboard is slid out |
| 15:45.28 | Venemo | and also Contacts |
| 15:46.04 | mgedmin | I got the impression most of the UI doesn't support rotation and defaults to portrait |
| 15:46.06 | mgedmin | e.g. Search |
| 15:46.25 | Venemo | mgedmin, not "most", but many of the apps are such, indeed |
| 15:46.53 | mgedmin | what's this TwitterEvents thing that Search finds? |
| 15:46.56 | mgedmin | doesn't do anything when I tap it |
| 15:47.33 | Venemo | dunno |
| 15:51.32 | alterego | Anyone know where the link on how to remove "DEVELOPER EDITION" backgrounds is? |
| 15:51.58 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/packaging_learning_curves.jpg |
| 15:52.09 | lcuk | alterego, keep it :) |
| 15:52.24 | alterego | It munges on mine. |
| 15:52.50 | alterego | I like how the OBS one looks like the debian logo |
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| 16:15.22 | lcuk | anyone with the harmattan scratchbox install tell me the sdk/tools repository deb lines |
| 16:15.36 | lcuk | from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/blah |
| 16:22.03 | lcuk | Venemo, ^^ |
| 16:22.11 | lardman | heads home to see his new N950 |
| 16:22.16 | lardman | catch you guys tomorrow |
| 16:23.10 | Venemo | lcuk, I currently don't have such an install, sorry :( |
| 16:23.41 | rm_work | is there a VM project for harmattan scratchbox like there was with fremantle? |
| 16:23.47 | Venemo | lcuk, my hard drive went nuts the other week and I needed to buy a new one, to which I have not installed Linux yet. (and I need wincrap for a paid job...) |
| 16:23.54 | rm_work | IE, is the scratchbox-vm project that was on garage updated? |
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| 16:58.13 | Scifig | lcuk: I can't find sdk/tools but this is what I have --> deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free |
| 16:58.49 | Scifig | and another entry for deb-src |
| 17:07.03 | lcuk | Scifig, excellent, thanks |
| 17:17.18 | alterego | Oh cool, it comes with image magick installed :D |
| 17:19.46 | hiemanshu | alterego: got yours? |
| 17:20.00 | hiemanshu | I am another one of those, 'NO DHL tracking number sent' |
| 17:20.22 | alterego | Well, I didn't even get a "N950 is waiting for you email" so I don't really care :D |
| 17:20.33 | alterego | I've got it, it's sitting right next to me now, I'm happy :D |
| 17:20.40 | hiemanshu | alterego: hah, nice |
| 17:21.11 | hiemanshu | I want mine so I know when its arriving, most of next week, the current address will be empty |
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| 17:35.46 | Scifig | hiemanshu, Did you get the "Your order has been sent" mail? |
| 17:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | who's been the one interested in "how good battery is"? Look at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/n950_bmr_rx-71_typical an deduce you can get a 100h of idle with this consumption |
| 17:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | (the "r" in bmr is a genuine typo) |
| 17:37.50 | hiemanshu | Scifig: yes |
| 17:38.05 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: it was me |
| 17:38.41 | alterego | Now, how to get rid of "DEVELOPER EDITION" in the sysuid status bar .. |
| 17:39.14 | hiemanshu | alterego: you rid of the rest? |
| 17:39.52 | hiemanshu | http://wiki.meego.com/User:javispedro/N950 is what javispedro pasted |
| 17:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: others have noticed this multiplies geekness factor and value of the device by factor 10 :-P You want to get rid of it |
| 17:41.37 | alterego | Yeah, I couldn't find the bloody link, but I did that bit already. |
| 17:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'd replace it by "Ultra ACME strictly limited Developer Edition - device #005" XP |
| 17:42.31 | alterego | looks at sysui source |
| 17:42.32 | alterego | Yes :) |
| 17:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | may toss in one or two "secret" too |
| 17:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | you don't have to elaborate about the true meaning of "limited" in that - It's enough when you wisper "Aegis" if somebody asks |
| 17:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | they will look up in wikipedia, and find something about a religious symbol collar, and about patronizing and stuff, and they'll adore you |
| 17:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
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| 18:00.48 | alterego | lets see if I can get my N8 map cache to work on the N950 |
| 18:01.01 | alterego | Then I'm gonna look into restoring conversations. |
| 18:15.18 | thp | alterego: will you write a script/tool for moving the conversations from maemo 5 to harmattan? ;) |
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| 18:29.11 | rm_work | yesplz |
| 18:29.12 | rm_work | actually |
| 18:29.13 | Venemo | lcuk, you liking your N950? :) |
| 18:29.28 | rm_work | how is the process for moving user data over? IS THERE a process? |
| 18:29.32 | rm_work | like my contacts and such |
| 18:29.55 | Venemo | rm_work, http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 -> migrating + other useful/cool data/facts |
| 18:30.02 | rm_work | excellent |
| 18:30.05 | rm_work | bookmarks |
| 18:30.15 | Venemo | contacts migration is there |
| 18:31.58 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, can you include that link into /topic? |
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| 18:36.56 | macmaN | wow total surprise |
| 18:37.21 | macmaN | adding a caldav account that sits behind my self signed ssl cert prompted a beautiful "accept untrusted cert" screen |
| 18:37.43 | macmaN | too bad browser isnt linked to this framework it seems :/ |
| 18:38.16 | frals | its kinda funny how setting up mfe is easier on the device than its in outlook for my selfsigned exchange server |
| 18:38.22 | frals | or sad, depending on your pov |
| 18:39.28 | Venemo | hehe |
| 18:39.55 | Venemo | I set up my Hotmail with MfE too, and it works |
| 18:40.10 | frals | yeah just did that as well after seeing the link in the wikipage |
| 18:40.14 | frals | never know i could do that before |
| 18:40.18 | frals | got 3 mfe accounts setup now ;o |
| 18:40.28 | Venemo | it's some new stuff I came accross some time ago |
| 18:40.45 | Venemo | actually I did set it up like this on N900 too :) |
| 18:43.06 | Venemo | after some tens of times of opening/closing the hinge, it seems to be easier to open |
| 18:49.42 | mgedmin | wait, the n950 is shipped with openssh enabled and a hardcoded root password?! |
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| 18:53.23 | mgedmin | grr why can't I reach it? |
| 18:54.52 | mgedmin | 9% packet loss |
| 18:55.39 | mgedmin | if I ping directly from my router/ap |
| 18:55.46 | mgedmin | and 100% packet loss if I try to ping from my laptop |
| 18:55.52 | mgedmin | which is on the same wifi network |
| 18:56.10 | mgedmin | I can ssh from my router, but not from my laptop, wtf? |
| 18:56.30 | mgedmin | (same issue with my n900, btw; did my router/ap go crazy?) |
| 18:57.09 | Venemo | mgedmin, you can change root pw |
| 18:57.19 | mgedmin | make that I *should* change the root pw |
| 18:57.35 | Venemo | mgedmin, there is always USB networking |
| 18:57.43 | Venemo | just plug in USB and select "SDK mode" |
| 18:57.48 | mgedmin | cables are like chains |
| 18:57.51 | mgedmin | wifi is freedom |
| 18:57.52 | Venemo | which is basically USB networking mode |
| 18:57.54 | mgedmin | (and headaches) |
| 18:57.57 | Venemo | mhm. |
| 18:58.24 | mgedmin | wants sudo |
| 18:58.34 | Venemo | mgedmin, add user to sudoers |
| 18:58.55 | mgedmin | there's no /etc/sudoers and no sudo package, according to apt-cache search |
| 18:59.03 | Venemo | hehhh |
| 19:01.06 | Venemo | hm. any IRC clients for N950 yet? |
| 19:11.45 | mgedmin | actually, where _are_ all the apps? |
| 19:11.50 | mgedmin | there's no app manager/installer |
| 19:11.59 | mgedmin | there's a "Store" stub that says "coming soon" |
| 19:12.32 | Mek | there is an app manager, but that only handles updates |
| 19:12.33 | mgedmin | all apt sources lists are weird password-protected https pages |
| 19:12.40 | Venemo | mgedmin, Settings / Applications / Manage applications |
| 19:12.54 | Mek | and uninstalling of apps you can do directly from the menu |
| 19:13.21 | Venemo | Mek ++ |
| 19:16.32 | lcuk | mgedmin, i just installed build essential, the sdk repository is standard |
| 19:18.56 | alterego | nurgh, no qml viewer for the N950 |
| 19:19.13 | alterego | Lets see if I can get something running on this biatch |
| 19:26.26 | alterego | Neat, got it working very quickly :) |
| 19:26.32 | alterego | This really is a dev device ;) |
| 19:27.03 | ieatlint | as long as you don't stray from qtcreator and qt, you'll be fine :P |
| 19:27.19 | ieatlint | start hitting up any lower level stuff, and you'll feel the wrath of aegis |
| 19:27.56 | mgedmin | I *need* fbreader on this thing |
| 19:28.39 | ieatlint | you'll also quickly realize that the current firmware has about as much functionality as a feature phone |
| 19:28.48 | ieatlint | who wanted more than a browser though |
| 19:29.08 | ieatlint | still, awesome hardware, and the UI is beautiful :) |
| 19:32.33 | hiemanshu | ieatlint: there should be an update in a while, atleast heard there would be one in ~3-4 weeks |
| 19:34.30 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm sure the functionality will come, i'm just bitter and having a bad day because i'm working on a symbian platform |
| 19:34.44 | ieatlint | and that would make anyone angry |
| 19:38.15 | hiemanshu | naah, for the people working on WP 6.x, Symbian is an upgrade :P |
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| 19:52.18 | Venemo | ieatlint, I'm liking the email client as well |
| 19:52.51 | Venemo | ieatlint, aaaah, I can understand you... developing Symbian is a crappy experience indeed |
| 19:55.02 | ieatlint | i've been doing it since november now... and i've been a lot angrier overall since then |
| 20:01.17 | Venemo | mhm |
| 20:01.52 | Venemo | as I hear it, QML for Symbian makes it better, but QWidgets are a pain on it |
| 20:04.22 | ieatlint | in some ways yes, in some ways no |
| 20:04.41 | ieatlint | despite what nokia reps keep telling me, transfering data to/from qml is still a nightmare |
| 20:04.59 | ieatlint | and the qml specs keep changing... |
| 20:05.19 | ieatlint | they just announced that there would be a huge backwards compatbility break for qt5.0 too |
| 20:05.22 | ieatlint | it's all a mess |
| 20:06.50 | Venemo | Qt5? |
| 20:06.58 | Venemo | it is promised to be source compatible with Qt4 |
| 20:07.33 | ieatlint | for qml it's more fluid |
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| 20:16.17 | piggz | hello n950 owners |
| 20:16.27 | Venemo | hey piggz |
| 20:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I feel with you and agree on all your comments about N950 and harmattan/aegis/UI |
| 20:25.49 | Venemo | hm, why doesn't my .desktop file work on Harmattan? |
| 20:26.08 | Venemo | its icon is not displayed... at al |
| 20:30.45 | Scifig | Venemo - I noticed in scratchbox that you have give full path to icon |
| 20:30.53 | Scifig | May be it is a bug |
| 20:31.06 | Venemo | humm |
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| 21:23.38 | smoku | hi. |
| 21:24.10 | smoku | I accidently switched the visual theme to developer one. where do I set it back? |
| 21:31.10 | alterego | It's quite cool that the Maps application is in QML :D |
| 21:32.05 | Jaffa | Does that mean I can change the colour scheme to actually have some contrast? |
| 21:32.21 | alterego | Erm, well the map widget isn't QML |
| 21:32.36 | alterego | That's a C++ component, but I'm not sure how modifiable that is. |
| 21:34.58 | alterego | Can someone point me to the mod for getting landscape in the home pviews? |
| 21:36.16 | Venemo | alterego, http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Rotation |
| 21:36.24 | Venemo | alterego, see links |
| 21:37.56 | alterego | Ah, m'kay |
| 21:47.23 | Venemo | alterego, afaik there is a bug with redrawing in the app grid that prevents normal use of that |
| 21:49.50 | alterego | yeah, wasn't really what I wanted so .. |
| 21:50.02 | Venemo | what did you want? |
| 21:52.43 | alterego | I want to mod the home screens and the lock screen, but meh. |
| 21:53.17 | alterego | Thought there might be a way to access the qml, but it probably isn't qml so ... |
| 21:53.56 | Venemo | well, you can mod them to work on landscape, there is only that slight bug |
| 21:53.58 | Venemo | hm... |
| 21:53.59 | Venemo | QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 2 |
| 21:54.01 | Venemo | what is this? |
| 21:54.26 | Venemo | QPainter gives this to me for a QPixmap |
| 21:54.33 | alterego | I think it means you don't have a painting context. |
| 21:54.51 | Venemo | oh. |
| 21:54.53 | alterego | Anyway, I need to sleep, g'night. |
| 21:54.55 | Venemo | how can I make one? |
| 21:56.12 | Venemo | ok, good night :) |
| 21:57.56 | Venemo | oh, no |
| 21:58.05 | Venemo | the problem is that the QPixamp's size is 0x0 |
| 21:58.20 | ieatlint | hah, software update on my n950.. |
| 21:58.24 | ieatlint | just the sdk tool :( |
| 21:58.29 | Venemo | that is because the height and width of my custom item is also 0x0, despite anchors.fill: parent |
| 22:04.56 | alterego | btw the Nokia headset remote I got with the N8 works with the N950 media player :D |
| 22:05.32 | alterego | But yeah, bedtime :D |
| 22:08.16 | Venemo | alterego, HOORAY! :) |
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| 22:41.37 | Mece | o/ |
| 22:42.30 | Venemo | hey Mece |
| 22:43.35 | Mece | was gonna ask how to get root, but found it. |
| 22:43.45 | Mece | develsh apparently. |
| 22:43.50 | Mece | khertan, ping |
| 22:44.28 | Venemo | devel-su |
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| 22:44.31 | Venemo | pw: rootme |
| 22:44.36 | Mece | devel-su |
| 22:44.47 | Venemo | yeah |
| 22:44.51 | Mece | why so complicated? whatever happened to sudo? |
| 22:44.59 | Venemo | no such package... |
| 22:45.17 | Mece | that's what I meant. |
| 22:45.34 | ieatlint | sudo is a different beast |
| 22:45.38 | ieatlint | devel-su is su |
| 22:45.50 | ieatlint | could be something to do with aegis |
| 22:46.16 | Mece | aegis needs to be killed with fire. |
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| 22:47.47 | Venemo | :D |
| 22:49.04 | Mece | oh well. has anyone compiled xchat yet? |
| 22:49.59 | Venemo | Mece, has anyone compiled gtk yet? |
| 22:50.12 | Mece | heh. damn |
| 22:51.04 | Mece | i don't actually have scratchbox installed, so I haven't installed anything yet. |
| 22:51.09 | Mece | erm compiled. |
| 22:51.40 | Venemo | mhm |
| 22:51.46 | Mece | irssi should be a temporary solution.. |
| 22:52.09 | Venemo | someone said that a QML-based IRC client (quassel) is on the way |
| 22:52.18 | Mece | nice |
| 22:53.09 | ieatlint | wait, the phone doesn't have gtk? |
| 22:53.21 | Venemo | not sure |
| 22:53.31 | ieatlint | meego requires gtk.. |
| 22:53.43 | Mece | i have no idea. touched it for the first time today. |
| 22:53.46 | ieatlint | and maemo5 was built on gtk... so if it doesn't, i'll be surprised |
| 22:53.48 | Venemo | not part of the official api |
| 22:53.49 | Mece | ieatlint, it does? for what? |
| 22:53.58 | ieatlint | Venemo: it's a required library |
| 22:54.55 | SpeedEvil | On meego. |
| 22:55.00 | SpeedEvil | Harmattan isn't quite meego. |
| 22:55.07 | Venemo | since when is it? ieatlint? |
| 22:55.09 | SpeedEvil | (I have no knowledge of the state of GTK) |
| 22:55.23 | Venemo | Gtk is "community supported" and not part of the official api afaik |
| 22:55.38 | ieatlint | hrm, i'm looking at the things now and indeed do not see gtk listed as a base library... but as of meego 1.1, i would swear it did |
| 22:56.31 | Venemo | meego netbook ux was somewhat gtk based... |
| 22:56.35 | Venemo | maybe that's what you remember |
| 22:57.02 | ieatlint | i recall seeing those graphics they kept putting together talking about what libraries are in the system |
| 22:57.23 | ieatlint | and going to a number of intel presentations in which they would say "gtk is in there, but we strongly discourage its use" |
| 22:58.31 | Venemo | yep, it's there in MeeGo, but not part of the official API |
| 22:58.41 | Venemo | it's there = you can install it from some repo |
| 23:00.47 | Venemo | hm |
| 23:00.57 | Venemo | is there a "display stays lit when charging" option? |
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| 23:01.19 | ieatlint | nope |
| 23:01.29 | ieatlint | best you can do is 3min timeout |
| 23:01.36 | Venemo | eh. |
| 23:01.46 | ieatlint | yeah, annoying for dev |
| 23:02.45 | Venemo | it would suffice if the display automatically lit up when my app is started from sdk |
| 23:03.03 | Mece | grr can't find the autojoin settings in xchat. |
| 23:03.16 | lcuk | Venemo, which folder are most of the icons stored in |
| 23:03.22 | lcuk | is it pixmaps? |
| 23:04.14 | Venemo | lcuk, nope that has non |
| 23:04.15 | Venemo | e |
| 23:04.17 | Venemo | however |
| 23:04.28 | Venemo | [12:04] <frals> iirc /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons/ |
| 23:04.34 | Venemo | lcuk, |
| 23:04.36 | Venemo | ^^ |
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| 23:08.32 | Venemo | lcuk, I have very good news :) |
| 23:08.58 | Venemo | lcuk, I was able to reimplement my memory game in QML |
| 23:09.21 | lcuk | good :) |
| 23:09.38 | lcuk | does it still run well on n900? |
| 23:10.31 | Venemo | nope, haven't implemented it with those qt components on N900 yet either |
| 23:10.41 | Venemo | but! it runs on N950 exceedingly well |
| 23:12.08 | Venemo | the good news is that I will be able to reimplement puzzle-master in the same manner |
| 23:12.15 | antman8969 | is there a download available? I'd like to test some apps with scratchbox |
| 23:12.27 | Venemo | the bad news is that it will break compatibility to N8x0 |
| 23:12.35 | Venemo | antman8969, not yet, sorry. I'm still playing with it |
| 23:14.08 | mgedmin | hm, the N900 audio-to-component-video cable doesn't work with the N950? |
| 23:14.21 | Venemo | it should methinks |
| 23:14.52 | SpeedEvil | IIRC I saw NTSC/PAL somewhere in settings |
| 23:14.54 | SpeedEvil | implying... |
| 23:15.02 | Venemo | yep |
| 23:15.31 | mgedmin | I saw that too |
| 23:15.40 | mgedmin | which is why I was surprised when it didn't work |
| 23:15.52 | mgedmin | but then again settings has an option for a twitter feed |
| 23:15.56 | mgedmin | which doesn't work either |
| 23:15.56 | Venemo | maybe because of prerelease software |
| 23:16.00 | mgedmin | nods |
| 23:16.30 | mgedmin | during europython there was a QML tutorial and people used a N900 cable to connect either a N9 or a N950 to a TV |
| 23:17.14 | mgedmin | s/QML/PySide/ |
| 23:17.23 | mgedmin | or maybe Qt Quick Components |
| 23:17.41 | mgedmin | I haven't been paying attention to Qt-ish things until I first saw a live N950 |
| 23:18.14 | Venemo | heh |
| 23:18.40 | Venemo | my N900 is a bit envious and lonely since my N950 arrived |
| 23:19.13 | mgedmin | no fbreader for N950 -> I must carry both |
| 23:19.17 | antman8969 | lol well I heard they take the n950s back, so it won't be too lonely ;) |
| 23:19.37 | lcuk | why is there a green tint when scrolling a list |
| 23:19.45 | mgedmin | (and a Series 40 phone as well, because the N900 UI sucks for phone calls, and I don't trust the N950 yet) |
| 23:20.10 | lcuk | white letters get a green tint |
| 23:20.55 | Mece | crud. it's late. gnight |
| 23:21.03 | ieatlint | antman8969: that's just a scare rumour that no one from nokia has even hinted at |
| 23:22.46 | ieatlint | and quim also has pretty much stated that as long as you are making use of the device for developing, he "wouldn't worry" it being taken away |
| 23:23.21 | SpeedEvil | Same statements were made about n900. |
| 23:23.31 | SpeedEvil | I don't recall anyone being actually asked for it back. |
| 23:23.32 | Mece | lol |
| 23:23.44 | SpeedEvil | Well - that turned up on #maemo |
| 23:24.00 | ieatlint | well, nokia has no use for 250 used phones :P |
| 23:24.06 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 23:24.16 | Mece | it costs 500⬠to loose it... |
| 23:24.30 | Mece | should they ask for it back |
| 23:24.34 | ieatlint | the cost to get them back, clean them, and then what? give them to other developers? bah.. just hand out n9s.. it'd be cheaper and less drama |
| 23:25.22 | Mece | ieatlint, nod. they want ppl to dev nfc stuff anyway, so N9 is much better once it's out. |
| 23:25.31 | Mece | ok srsly. gnight. |
| 23:25.33 | Venemo | wtf? seriously? harmattan toolchain can't shadow build? LOOOOL |
| 23:25.45 | ieatlint | really? heh |
| 23:25.49 | ieatlint | it's like symbian all over again |
| 23:26.49 | Venemo | I just noticed that the sdk crapped all over my project's root directory |
| 23:27.05 | mgedmin | well, with the n900 there was a well-defined return period in the paper they gave us to sign at the maemo summit |
| 23:27.11 | ieatlint | yeah, indeed, the shadow build checkbox is disabled in qtcreator for harmattan |
| 23:27.16 | mgedmin | and blog posts reminding everyone they ought to return their n900s |
| 23:27.26 | mgedmin | so I shipped mine to the address specified |
| 23:27.47 | Venemo | this time there is no date |
| 23:27.52 | Venemo | at all |
| 23:28.09 | ieatlint | yeah, it just says "it's a loan" |
| 23:28.10 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: True - I meant - there were no encouragements for those that diddn't. |
| 23:28.38 | Venemo | so some of you guys still have your summit N900s? |
| 23:28.40 | ieatlint | whatever, it is what it is... i'll be making use of my device for development |
| 23:29.03 | SpeedEvil | bought first n900, second came for helping with hostmode and stuff. |
| 23:29.04 | ieatlint | and if they pull it away from me at some point, oh well... i'll feel slightly less special |
| 23:29.31 | ieatlint | anyway, me food, bbl |
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| 23:33.28 | antman8969 | on a different note. Been trying to understand the harmattan app system a little... will it be using the Meego OBS? Is there an extras equivelant for it? |
| 23:33.42 | antman8969 | how are open source devs distributing apps to users |
| 23:34.57 | mgedmin | yes please, I want to know too |
| 23:34.59 | mgedmin | otoh it's 2:30 am and maybe I should get some sleep first |
| 23:35.11 | Venemo | well... they currently talk about personal repos so it's every man for himself |
| 23:35.18 | Venemo | ask Jaffa or X-Fade about details |
| 23:35.29 | antman8969 | lol he just went to bed |
| 23:36.10 | antman8969 | and as for apps with library dependencies? Is everyone going to build their own version of the same lib? |
| 23:36.55 | Venemo | yep, this is what everyone's asking, and I dunno |
| 23:37.13 | antman8969 | oh, so it's not that I havn't googled enough, its undecided still |
| 23:37.18 | antman8969 | thats a little more comforting |
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| 23:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (white letters get a green tint) talking about that weird stuff that makes dim text even dimmer when swiping? |
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| 23:54.20 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, aye |
| 23:54.27 | lcuk | noticed it earlier in liqbase |
| 23:54.38 | lcuk | but then specifically on dialogs in the system |
| 23:55.01 | lcuk | harmattan is v nice and sliq |
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