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| 04:47.06 | shaneapen | hey! can a student who graduates this june apply for GSOC? |
| 04:51.31 | valorie | !rules | shaneapen |
| 04:51.32 | gsocbot | valorie: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/rules |
| 04:52.37 | valorie | Keep in mind: |
| 04:52.40 | valorie | March 16 - 31, 2020 |
| 04:52.44 | valorie | Student Application Period |
| 04:53.09 | valorie | if you are not already deep in discussion with your chosen org/team you are likely too late |
| 04:53.55 | valorie | otoh those in masters and phd programs may still apply |
| 04:54.21 | MrSquanchee | **as long as you are a student somewhere ... |
| 04:54.29 | MrSquanchee | am I right ?? |
| 05:07.40 | olly | you need to be enrolled or accepted as of the date accepted proposals are announced |
| 05:09.33 | olly | so most current students who graduate at the end of the academic year should be eligible (unless they aren't for other reasons) |
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| 05:45.24 | r0bby | valorie: One of OpenMRS' best students applied last second one year |
| 05:45.46 | r0bby | so don't discount those late to the party |
| 05:45.52 | valorie | oh, I don't |
| 05:46.13 | valorie | but the OP sounded as if they had not even read the rules |
| 05:47.09 | valorie | I try to comment on each proposal as if the student will be accepted |
| 05:47.18 | valorie | although some clearly will not be |
| 06:00.01 | shaneapen | Thanks for the info guys! So any tips for someone who considers to apply this late? |
| 06:01.16 | olly | get on with it! |
| 06:03.01 | olly | it's not impossible, but you're at a disadvantage compared to those who've been engaging with the orgs for days, weeks, or even (for a select few) months |
| 06:03.24 | olly | but spending time worrying about that won't help |
| 06:04.34 | olly | you really need to get stuck in and make the best go of it you can, or punt on this year and start earlier next year |
| 06:08.31 | shaneapen | understood! |
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| 06:42.01 | valorie | we're not all guys btw |
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| 08:10.00 | pintoch | (I am confused by that too - but "guys" is often used in a gender neutral way |
| 08:10.04 | pintoch | at least in the UK) |
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| 10:35.41 | olasd | (doesn't mean people shouldn't try to use more inclusive language) |
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| 14:59.31 | Boda | Hey, I just have a question, given the current situation with the pandemic,I wouldn't be able to get proof of enrollment from my college before the proposals deadline, can I still submit it in the review time ? |
| 14:59.47 | Mc | !proof |
| 14:59.48 | gsocbot | Mc: If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site. If it is not acceptable, we will ask you to upload a different document within a specified time frame. You will receive an email when your form has been approved. |
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| 15:14.42 | Boda | I am asking about the deadline for it, not the validity |
| 15:16.26 | teepee | so far no extensions were mentioned. I suspect that might not change. |
| 15:20.44 | Boda | so here, today and tomorrow's are full lockdown and there's only 4 days left |
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| 15:58.48 | [itchyjunk] | You might be able to get the approval with just back and forth email between you and your registrar. |
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| 19:38.25 | valorie | pintoch: many men think "guys" is inclusive; many women meanwhile disagree, and do not feel included |
| 19:38.47 | valorie | when someone says, "hey guys, gotta question" |
| 19:38.53 | valorie | I often answer anyway |
| 19:38.59 | valorie | but ..... |
| 19:39.50 | teepee | I suspect that needs explaining to all those youtube people doing that |
| 19:40.05 | PulkoMandy | and it's not like there are no alternatives |
| 19:40.37 | teepee | we non native speakers often can't know what's considered good language or not |
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| 19:44.34 | pintoch | valorie: don't get me wrong, I am absolutely not advocating to use this word (as I said I found it confusing a bunch of times - a woman using "guys" and me not understanding that they were addressing other women too) |
| 19:45.04 | valorie | right, I've seen that too |
| 19:45.09 | valorie | I know only how I feel |
| 19:45.15 | valorie | which is not included |
| 19:45.59 | valorie | "people, folks, friends, y'all" -- are inclusive |
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| 19:46.08 | valorie | and imo not *weird* |
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| 19:46.32 | pintoch | sure, it's not like we lack alternatives |
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| 20:01.31 | Abrar36 | Hi |
| 20:02.00 | Abrar36 | Anybody here to talk with? |
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| 20:03.57 | abrar48 | I am a graduate. Can I take this internship? |
| 20:06.05 | valorie | huh |
| 20:06.18 | valorie | can't wait even one minute? |
| 20:06.21 | valorie | sheesh |
| 20:08.55 | blast007 | well, they probably wouldn't have read any of our answers anyway since they obviously haven't read anything from the GSoC site. |
| 20:09.35 | valorie | he, true |
| 20:11.25 | teepee | likely, but same person logging in twice might just mean bad internet connection |
| 20:11.48 | valorie | yep |
| 20:12.13 | valorie | sadly irc has no profit model thus no advertising |
| 20:12.28 | obviyus | Has the timeline been altered? |
| 20:12.31 | valorie | even though imo it is the best "social media" |
| 20:12.41 | obviyus | https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/#timeline |
| 20:12.41 | valorie | obviyus: why not look it up? |
| 20:12.51 | valorie | honestly |
| 20:12.59 | obviyus | I distinctly remember Projects Announce date to be 27th April |
| 20:13.07 | obviyus | But now it reads 4th May |
| 20:13.11 | obviyus | But I might be wrong |
| 20:13.26 | shivam-kapila | No obviyus its changed |
| 20:13.46 | shivam-kapila | They extended it |
| 20:14.03 | obviyus | Wow almost by 2 weeks |
| 20:14.13 | obviyus | Guess I should change my proposal to reflect this |
| 20:14.33 | teepee | yes, two things got an additional week |
| 20:15.09 | teepee | IIRC proopsal review and bonding period, there was an email about it, so it's probably also on the blog? |
| 20:18.41 | obviyus | None that I can find |
| 20:20.48 | teepee | yeah, maybe not, but that google group message seems to be public - https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-summer-of-code-discuss/_oZrIQYMMH0 |
| 20:26.24 | obviyus | teepee: Thanks |
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| 22:03.14 | r0bby | Don't make proposals like this one folks: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PALGJfmtU0gbR2NIyj3pWW-hMEQIodAke6iORpJwBl0/edit |
| 22:03.43 | r0bby | yes, I ensured there was no PII in it |
| 22:04.13 | olly | TBH, there wasn't a lot of checking needed... |
| 22:04.52 | r0bby | olly: I know, I'm careful -- I'm on my last life with the OSPO folks and don't want to mess up |
| 22:05.48 | r0bby | Thoigh it might be a lil unethical to do use it as an example of what not to do |
| 22:05.54 | r0bby | Though* |
| 22:05.55 | olly | there's an extra week until slot requests, and an extra week in community bonding |
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| 22:06.51 | r0bby | olly: yeah -- i appreciate that |
| 22:07.12 | r0bby | I had put the schedule in our annoucement post and then made a separate message about the change |
| 22:07.35 | r0bby | Outreachy is doing a bit extra as well |
| 22:07.48 | r0bby | Lowering the weekly hours to 30 vs 40 if they are affected by COVID-19 |
| 22:08.02 | olly | sorry that was in response to something earlier - i forgot I'd scrolled up |
| 22:08.10 | valorie | r0bby: desperation move |
| 22:08.12 | r0bby | olly: IRC needs threating |
| 22:08.21 | r0bby | threading* |
| 22:08.23 | olly | i have to wonder if anyone isn't affected at this point |
| 22:08.29 | r0bby | valorie: what? |
| 22:08.39 | r0bby | The student or the Outreachy thing? |
| 22:08.44 | valorie | [15:03] <r0bby> Don't make proposals like this one folks: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PALGJfmtU0gbR2NIyj3pWW-hMEQIodAke6iORpJwBl0/edit |
| 22:08.50 | r0bby | OHH |
| 22:08.52 | valorie | the student |
| 22:09.00 | r0bby | valorie: It's not the first time I saw that |
| 22:09.06 | r0bby | far from it |
| 22:09.11 | valorie | I feel sorry for them, really |
| 22:09.32 | olly | I've seen similar generic proposals most years |
| 22:09.48 | olly | that one is particularly short though, sending a CV is more typical |
| 22:09.51 | r0bby | I have a Google Drive folder I could look through and find similar ones likely |
| 22:10.36 | valorie | I've seen ones so bad they are laughable for sure |
| 22:12.45 | r0bby | I'd recommend keeping a collection |
| 22:15.38 | valorie | it's fine, every year there are more |
| 22:15.44 | obviyus | The student can't be serious |
| 22:18.15 | r0bby | obviyus: I'm fairly certain they were |
| 22:18.18 | olly | or they just don't understand what is expected |
| 22:18.23 | obviyus | Wow/ |
| 22:18.44 | olly | or they think "maybe I'll get lucky and this is no effort" |
| 22:19.15 | olly | there's a little luck involved, but a proposal like that will just get discarded right away |
| 22:19.47 | r0bby | obviyus: This is something i see every year to varying degrees. Though this year I got one truly bizzare one: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14ClEy1FMJg8QEqf9jzXHAX16so9d4GjUmWQYtopPrSI/edit#heading=h.hqslq53xvcl5 |
| 22:19.51 | olly | I can't even tell what project it's applying for |
| 22:20.07 | obviyus | wtf is cupping |
| 22:20.10 | valorie | there is plenty of "retweet /share this and you might get a prize!" |
| 22:20.14 | r0bby | obviyus: it's a real thing |
| 22:20.27 | valorie | and they could possibly think that a slot is like that |
| 22:20.28 | r0bby | Athletes do it to release toxins from the body |
| 22:20.30 | obviyus | "alternative medicin" |
| 22:20.39 | r0bby | obviyus: It's an eastern medicine thing. |
| 22:20.45 | obviyus | Oh wasn't this in Karate Kid |
| 22:20.49 | valorie | swimmers do this |
| 22:20.50 | r0bby | But the point is why did they send it |
| 22:20.55 | valorie | even olympians |
| 22:20.56 | r0bby | obviyus: don't be racist. |
| 22:21.10 | valorie | but it has nothing to do with GSoC or the org |
| 22:21.13 | obviyus | No, really. It was in the movie lol |
| 22:21.15 | valorie | just ridiculous |
| 22:21.25 | r0bby | I know it was -- but this is just weird |
| 22:21.30 | obviyus | My bad |
| 22:21.57 | r0bby | obviyus: you're fine -- I'm not an op -- but just showing the weird shit we get every year -- this is just this year. I have ones from other years too |
| 22:22.27 | obviyus | Okay, how many good ones? |
| 22:22.45 | obviyus | What percentage of the total are really good? |
| 22:23.10 | r0bby | This year we have a decent amount of varying degrees |
| 22:23.54 | r0bby | 16 ignored, 2 of which are legitimate proposals(not spam), that didn't follow the rules |
| 22:24.03 | obviyus | Owie |
| 22:24.07 | r0bby | 37 total |
| 22:24.24 | obviyus | How many slots do you have? |
| 22:24.46 | r0bby | obviyus: We don't make that request until later. |
| 22:24.51 | obviyus | I see |
| 22:25.17 | r0bby | After the application period closes, we look at our proposals and how many good ones we got and make that decision |
| 22:25.33 | obviyus | But you still have to choose a single one for a project, correct? |
| 22:25.44 | r0bby | obviyus: One per slot. |
| 22:26.00 | r0bby | Oftentimes, it's a hard choice |
| 22:26.09 | obviyus | I can imagine |
| 22:26.23 | obviyus | I saw someone say how they've had a record number of applicants this year |
| 22:26.40 | obviyus | GSoC's perfect for during the quarantine |
| 22:26.55 | obviyus | Most of my peers' internships have been suspended |
| 22:27.03 | r0bby | obviyus: the other bit is as a student, knowing how many slots we have isn't a useful metric to you. |
| 22:27.21 | r0bby | Reason: You don't know how many students applied for your project |
| 22:27.29 | obviyus | Fair, fair |
| 22:28.14 | r0bby | another bad one: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eCJtQTLLeyFkqUlO00t-SF0p52ocPtb0UUmn_Hn8Mfs/edit |
| 22:29.26 | obviyus | One would assume they'd adhere to a minimum page guideline at least |
| 22:30.27 | r0bby | One would assume they wouldn't spam our forums either but they did |
| 22:30.31 | olly | google said there's a record number of students registered |
| 22:30.43 | olly | that doesn't seem to have translated into a record number of applications, at least for us |
| 22:30.52 | olly | though there's always a last minute surge |
| 22:31.27 | olly | a lot of which are quite poor |
| 22:31.40 | r0bby | olly: Yeah -- I just booted one from Discourse not so long ago |
| 22:31.42 | olly | with the odd one that's clearly been honed for weeks |
| 22:33.12 | r0bby | one student I went back and forth, almost gave up on and then came back and was like "here's what you need to do" |
| 22:33.31 | r0bby | Finally in the end, it was clear..they wouldn't make it past midterm |
| 22:33.46 | r0bby | er probably shouldn't have said that here |
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