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| 16:52.30 | downey | Who else is excited to see the list of accepted orgs today? :) |
| 16:54.11 | olasd | my org got its rejection mail already, so the excitement has subsided a bit :p |
| 16:54.22 | pintoch | oh no! |
| 16:54.51 | Mc | "The list of accepted 2019 GSoC mentoring organizations will be published at February 20, 2020 19:00 UTC at https://g.co/gsoc. " |
| 16:55.08 | PulkoMandy | yes, but org admins get to know a bit earlier apparently |
| 16:55.15 | Mc | 2019 ? :p |
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| 16:57.20 | [itchyjunk] | Is the list of rejected orgs also public information? |
| 16:57.35 | Mc | I don't think so |
| 16:58.22 | PulkoMandy | not anymore, I think? There used to be a public feedback session on IRC but now I think it's private |
| 16:58.37 | [itchyjunk] | Ah |
| 16:59.28 | downey | You can presume that any org you know applied, and doesn't appear on the final list, was not accepted. |
| 17:00.34 | [itchyjunk] | There is no way to know who all applied. I thought knowing who all got rejected would be interesting data. But I can understand it being private. |
| 17:05.18 | PulkoMandy | rejected organizations can decide if they communicate about it or not |
| 17:05.32 | downey | The other thing to remember is that if your favorite org was not accepted, it doesn't necessarily mean they weren't "good enough". Google has a limit to the number of organizations it accepts each year, so sometimes they have to make tough choices about which orgs to accept from year to year. |
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| 17:08.57 | gsopen | wow, freenode is looking way better than I last used it! |
| 17:09.14 | [itchyjunk] | Better how? |
| 17:09.15 | gsopen | !next |
| 17:09.15 | gsocbot | gsopen: Coding officially begins! May 27, 2019 |
| 17:09.23 | gsopen | the UI is way better |
| 17:09.28 | Mc | the what |
| 17:09.40 | gsopen | of the web chat |
| 17:09.53 | [itchyjunk] | Ah, they changed it. |
| 17:09.59 | gsopen | I haven't been here in at least a year, so it's different |
| 17:10.02 | [itchyjunk] | qweb to kiwiirc. |
| 17:10.17 | gsopen | oh nice |
| 17:10.51 | gsopen | do we know what time the accepted open source organizations will be released? I didn't see any timing info in the timeline on the GSOC page |
| 17:11.07 | PulkoMandy | 19:00 UTC |
| 17:11.22 | gsopen | oh thanks PulkoMandy! :) |
| 17:28.13 | gsopen | lol, just realized this person's name was itchy junk |
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| 18:09.04 | opengs | looks like the orgs were released an hour early! |
| 18:09.09 | opengs | nice |
| 18:10.19 | Mc | maybe with the brexit UTC is moving to CET |
| 18:10.30 | Mc | as a standard-er time |
| 18:17.06 | opengs | !next |
| 18:17.07 | gsocbot | opengs: Coding officially begins! May 27, 2019 |
| 18:17.49 | opengs | !learn next as Student Application Period : March 16 - 31, 2020 |
| 18:17.50 | gsocbot | opengs: Not a factoid |
| 18:19.28 | PulkoMandy | gsocbot: forget next |
| 18:19.28 | gsocbot | PulkoMandy: OK, forgot next |
| 18:19.38 | PulkoMandy | gsocbot: learn next as Student Application Period : March 16 - 31, 2020 |
| 18:19.49 | PulkoMandy | gsocbot: next is Student Application Period : March 16 - 31, 2020 |
| 18:20.01 | PulkoMandy | well I don't remember the syntax for this apparently |
| 18:20.26 | opengs | ah I forgot too haha |
| 18:20.59 | teepee_ | I think it's = instead of as now |
| 18:21.10 | PulkoMandy | gsocbot: learn next = Student Application Period : March 16 - 31, 2020 |
| 18:21.11 | gsocbot | PulkoMandy: OK, next is now Student Application Period : March 16 - 31, 2020 |
| 18:21.15 | PulkoMandy | thanks :) |
| 18:21.37 | opengs | oh thanks teepee_! |
| 18:21.52 | teepee_ | well, thanks google and irc logs :D |
| 18:23.55 | Mc | !help |
| 18:23.56 | gsocbot | Mc: use "!<factoid>" to display a factoid, and "gsocbot learn <factoid> = <factoid text>" to teach me a new factoid |
| 18:24.36 | opengs | :D |
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| 19:04.11 | jim3 | hey folks how're things |
| 19:08.04 | opengs | !list |
| 19:08.04 | gsocbot | opengs: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/?sp-page=2 |
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| 22:25.48 | gssoocceerr | I have taken part in GSoC 2017 and GSoC 2019. Can I take part in GSoC 2020? |
| 22:26.39 | Mc | https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/rules/ |
| 22:26.48 | Mc | 7.1.b.iv |
| 22:27.49 | gssoocceerr | Thanks Mc |
| 22:27.57 | cbilt | gssoocceerr, tldr: no |
| 22:28.14 | cbilt | man. i didn't realise people started in december for some projects |
| 22:28.24 | gssoocceerr | I will just become a mentor :) |
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| 22:28.30 | cbilt | i started incredibly late last year |
| 22:28.54 | cbilt | it seems some projects are a lot more "competitive", is that a correct analysis? |
| 22:29.03 | gssoocceerr | Yes |
| 22:29.17 | cbilt | which are the most competitive? |
| 22:29.23 | cbilt | out of curiosity |
| 22:29.30 | gssoocceerr | Some organisations are very dry in terms of students applications and there are some that get A LOT of applications |
| 22:29.57 | valorie | it probably depends on what the students consider hot |
| 22:30.08 | cbilt | libreoffice gets a literal deluge of low-effort applicants |
| 22:30.15 | valorie | vs how many mentors are available for the hot new thing |
| 22:30.25 | cbilt | git gets early ones, but not as many, and they only accepted 2 last year. perhaps that's their allotment? |
| 22:30.27 | gssoocceerr | A quick "data-sciency" way is to analyse the interest from Indian students in particular organisations |
| 22:30.32 | cbilt | surprised to see llvm gets 8 slots, and git 2 |
| 22:30.35 | valorie | imo every slot should be competitive |
| 22:30.50 | cbilt | i am not trying to figure out the "best" project this way, i decided weeks ago |
| 22:30.58 | valorie | there is no use taking on a lazy person who needs constant hand-holding |
| 22:31.34 | valorie | I'd rather just not accept a poor applicant even if they are the only one |
| 22:31.43 | gssoocceerr | Very true |
| 22:31.53 | cbilt | i believe that was the case last year with Libreoffice |
| 22:32.00 | cbilt | they had many more slots than accepted students |
| 22:32.07 | gssoocceerr | I'd say that while applying I went with the ones I am really passionate about. The work and the community, both mattered to me. |
| 22:32.12 | cbilt | perhaps the same is happening over at git? |
| 22:32.17 | valorie | too much pain in scraping exhausted mentors off the floor |
| 22:32.39 | valorie | cbilt: good for them |
| 22:32.54 | valorie | we (kde) haven't always used all our slots either |
| 22:34.08 | cbilt | hm. it seems odd since git should have enough work for many many people, right? |
| 22:34.27 | cbilt | valorie, how many slots did kde get? |
| 22:34.49 | valorie | last year you mean? |
| 22:34.58 | cbilt | yes, and on average i guess |
| 22:35.04 | cbilt | it's not public until afterwards? |
| 22:35.07 | valorie | maybe 24 or 25? |
| 22:35.13 | cbilt | wow! |
| 22:35.17 | valorie | it's never public |
| 22:35.20 | cbilt | wow. |
| 22:35.28 | valorie | in the past we've had as many as 40 |
| 22:35.35 | valorie | but damn that's exhausting |
| 22:35.53 | cbilt | i don't know if there's easily overviewable statistics. i remember i found statistics on country of origin, but i can't remember where :) do you know which projects have the most? |
| 22:36.04 | valorie | I don't |
| 22:36.12 | valorie | not sure it's important |
| 22:36.35 | valorie | how do you compare the big umbrellas to a new little org with one student? |
| 22:36.40 | valorie | it's so different |
| 22:36.43 | cbilt | of course, i know |
| 22:36.56 | cbilt | oh right. KDE covers lots of KDE applications? |
| 22:37.02 | valorie | and KDE is sorta umbrella-ish |
| 22:37.12 | valorie | yes, and sometimes close buddies |
| 22:37.33 | gssoocceerr | cbilt: The question should be, what are you interested to work on during the Summer :) |
| 22:37.41 | valorie | kde devels who also work on projects that lots of KDE distros use, etc. |
| 22:38.04 | valorie | we've co-mentored with Gnome as well |
| 22:38.14 | gssoocceerr | \o/ |
| 22:38.16 | valorie | so much for the gnome vs KDE supposed war |
| 22:38.18 | cbilt | gssoocceerr, like i said, already decided :) |
| 22:38.43 | cbilt | gnome vs kde vs mate |
| 22:38.53 | gssoocceerr | Sure :P |
| 22:39.42 | cbilt | well i picked two projects with historically very few students :) so i got curious. last year i picked an "easy" organisation in the last minute |
| 22:39.55 | cbilt | at the time it did not occur to me to apply for one with many slots |
| 22:40.15 | valorie | hopefully the only way that they are "easy" is that you love 'em, so it seems easy |
| 22:40.34 | valorie | IMO high standards from the beginning makes great software and great orgs |
| 22:40.42 | cbilt | more like previous experience and interest. since i wasted a few weeks trying to get into a project i had *zero* interest in just because it "seemed cool" |
| 22:40.51 | valorie | ewww |
| 22:40.56 | cbilt | yes i know. i'm stupid. |
| 22:40.58 | valorie | ya gotta do what you love |
| 22:41.00 | cbilt | not making that mistake again |
| 22:41.18 | valorie | hard to force yourself to work on ick |
| 22:43.56 | valorie | I should say that *slots* aren't public, but accepted students/successfully completed projects are semi-public |
| 22:44.47 | cbilt | you mean the gsoc archive? (google: gsoc 2019 archive) |
| 22:44.58 | cbilt | that's completely public |
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| 22:46.24 | valorie | well, you would have to pay attention to the announcement at the beginning and compare that with the end |
| 22:46.48 | valorie | of course there are other reasons besides "failure" that students have to withdraw |
| 22:47.36 | cbilt | oh you mean how many were accepted vs how many failed? the archive only has "passed" students? |
| 22:47.52 | cbilt | i think some orgs put that info on e.g. their wiki |
| 22:48.06 | valorie | perhaps |
| 22:48.18 | valorie | I have to figure it out each year for our application |
| 22:48.51 | valorie | at least I remembered to notice that number (last year) for this year's app |
| 22:49.07 | cbilt | also surprised by how fast the org process is. final deadline 5 feb and announced today |
| 22:49.19 | valorie | it's agony to fail a student |
| 22:49.35 | valorie | so I would rather not accept sub-par students |
| 23:01.28 | downey | cbilt: google have perfected the evaluation process after 15 years :) |