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| 12:14.49 | Ankit | #gsoc what is best measure to know whether you can crack #gsoc or not |
| 12:16.20 | [itchyjunk] | How do you mean crack? |
| 12:17.02 | Mc | "how long will you stay involved in the community of the project you join" |
| 12:20.37 | MrSquanhcee | How much commits and pull requests it takes for you to be a serious candidate for any organization |
| 12:20.48 | MrSquanhcee | Curious .... |
| 12:21.01 | [itchyjunk] | I hope that's not how they judge you. |
| 12:21.36 | [itchyjunk] | You should try to find interesting things to do. A single line of code can be meaningful to some project which a lot of pulls might be meaningless. |
| 12:21.37 | fundamental | quantity != quality |
| 12:21.53 | MrSquanhcee | I know that but having a good community involvement with good code commits is definitely an upperhand |
| 12:21.54 | [itchyjunk] | You should aim for meaningful contribution |
| 12:22.18 | [itchyjunk] | Like anything, it could be. Depends on what orgs are looking for. |
| 12:23.17 | Mc | if you hang around on their IRC, participate in discussions, and give two or three patches demonstrating that you understand how the project works and that you are able to contribute on it, it's well enough |
| 12:23.48 | MrSquanhcee | IRC of some organizations are pretty dead with no one hanging in there |
| 12:23.57 | MrSquanhcee | just saying.... |
| 12:23.59 | [itchyjunk] | Two or three patches, tall order! |
| 12:24.12 | fundamental | typically there's at least one used communication medium for a project |
| 12:24.14 | Mc | that's a lot, yeah |
| 12:24.21 | lesderid | there really is no one good answer, it depends on the org and the project |
| 12:24.21 | [itchyjunk] | People will often check irc's once in a while. |
| 12:24.34 | [itchyjunk] | Not actively stay there chatting 24/7 |
| 12:24.45 | MrSquanhcee | I get that :) |
| 12:24.54 | [itchyjunk] | So if nothing meaningful has been said and no one responds, doesn't mean the channel is dead. |
| 12:25.03 | fundamental | MrSquanhcee: you'd be supprised by how many don't get that :p |
| 12:25.35 | Mc | it's best to also check the ml, rocketchat|mattermost|zulip|xmpp|whatever |
| 12:26.16 | MrSquanhcee | One more query -- how many organization should I keep in my arsenal for a good chance of selection ?? |
| 12:26.22 | Mc | one |
| 12:26.57 | MrSquanhcee | ha ha that's pretty savage ... |
| 12:27.12 | fundamental | I'd start broad, but by the time you're going to submit something akin to a patch, I'd agree with one |
| 12:27.31 | [itchyjunk] | I'd use your interest as a measuring stick. |
| 12:27.36 | Mc | +1 |
| 12:27.48 | fundamental | having a good application takes time and spreading yourself too thin basically guarentees multiple failures, not higher odds of success |
| 12:27.51 | [itchyjunk] | Anything you think is interesting enough that you will invest serious amounts of time. |
| 12:28.07 | [itchyjunk] | (Imho, getting fimiliar with projects is a decent time investment.) |
| 12:28.10 | lesderid | I don't think necessarily has to be only one, but 'chance of selection' might not be the right way to judge what you should do |
| 12:28.22 | lesderid | s/think/think it/ |
| 12:28.26 | MrSquanhcee | Roger that .... |
| 12:28.51 | MrSquanhcee | I think 80% of organizations get selected regularly ... Correct me if wrong |
| 12:29.10 | lesderid | like if there are two orgs or three you really care about, or maybe even multiple projects in the same org, that's fine |
| 12:29.30 | Mc | if ten orgs have the vague feeling that they see you stick around but are not that committed, you have imho less chance to be selected in the end than if you commit to an org where you're actually interested in joining the community and where they realize it by what you do with them |
| 12:30.22 | [itchyjunk] | Sometime, you're interested in a certain topic/tech and you find multiple orgs using similar stuff. In this case, its natural to look at them all as a potential candidate. |
| 12:30.39 | [itchyjunk] | It really boils down to your interest and such. |
| 12:31.17 | MrSquanhcee | Isn't there any bias among reputation of the organizations e.g. ASF and aimacode |
| 12:31.20 | MrSquanhcee | just saying... |
| 12:31.27 | Mc | can't tell |
| 12:31.32 | [itchyjunk] | No idea |
| 12:31.42 | fundamental | bias in which sense? |
| 12:31.45 | [itchyjunk] | What type of bias? |
| 12:32.37 | MrSquanhcee | I mean ASF is more prestigious and adds heavy to your resume whereas working with a low reputed org doesn't add weight to your resume. |
| 12:32.55 | MrSquanhcee | That kind of bias |
| 12:33.20 | Mc | what is a low reputed org ? :p |
| 12:33.35 | Mc | (and what is ASF ?) |
| 12:33.43 | lesderid | everyone has different goals... personally I'd rather do something interesting and something I care about personally |
| 12:33.47 | MrSquanhcee | Apache Software Foundation = ASF |
| 12:33.56 | Mc | ah, Apache :p |
| 12:34.21 | fundamental | from discussions with other orgs it sounded like the resume was a relatively low priority compared to other aspects of the application |
| 12:34.29 | [itchyjunk] | I think that picking a "more reputed org" to pad your resume is something your future job interviewer might sense. In which case, it will do more harm than good. |
| 12:34.36 | lesderid | ^ this too |
| 12:34.50 | Mc | also something the org admins / mentors might sense |
| 12:34.57 | [itchyjunk] | Right. |
| 12:35.36 | MrSquanhcee | Thanks folk :) |
| 12:35.40 | [itchyjunk] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law |
| 12:35.42 | Mc | the holy grail for org admins and mentors is finding someone who will stay with the project in the long run, not someone "leaving in august" |
| 12:36.17 | fundamental | Mc: +1 |
| 12:36.40 | Mc | at equivalent level of application, there *will* be a preference for applicants where we sense they have genuine interest in the project and will stick around for years |
| 12:36.55 | fundamental | the orgs that are the best grail hunters seem to have a habit of turning GSoC students into GSoC mentors |
| 12:37.15 | MrSquanhcee | that's useful info as an aspirant |
| 12:38.37 | fundamental | basically think of it as community outreach rather than hiring someone for a predecided task |
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