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| 00:15.12 | r0bby | Mc: I require mentors for GCI to be involved with the project PRIOR TO GCI -- We get people showing up and ask to mentor and I tell them no. Unless someone is vouched for, I'm going to say no |
| 00:16.53 | r0bby | I'm going to attempt to run GSoD like GSoC and see how that plays out |
| 00:17.19 | r0bby | The playbook SHOULD be similar as far as administering for the project |
| 00:26.27 | valorie | r0bby: we do too |
| 00:26.51 | valorie | I have no clue why people think that they could mentor when they have not one commit to the KDE codebase |
| 00:35.31 | olly | ooh, that sounds like a challenge! |
| 00:36.24 | olly | though I'd guess I probably have a commit somewhere in KDE |
| 00:37.51 | r0bby | olly: Generally, I know who is and isn't involved in the project |
| 00:39.04 | r0bby | valorie: I think they literally just want the certificate -- which I wonder where the value comes from...certifications aren't largely useless to me |
| 00:39.15 | r0bby | They prove you can take a test |
| 00:39.36 | r0bby | Wanna show you know your stuff, tell me about how you APPLIED that knowledge! |
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| 02:24.08 | Remote_ | Does somebody know how to register in NickServ? I just can't find where should i put /msg commnand ... |
| 02:27.06 | blast007 | I'd recommend running any such commands on the server tab, not in a channel or user tab |
| 02:28.19 | olly | indeed - any window for that IRC network shouild work, but using the server one means you don't tell hundreds of people your password if you get it wrong |
| 02:36.29 | mandeep | hunter2 |
| 02:36.30 | valorie | Remote_: issue the command /msg nickserv help register |
| 02:36.35 | valorie | on a new line |
| 02:36.48 | valorie | olly: lol, yes |
| 02:37.01 | valorie | I see folks who forget that about once a week |
| 02:40.47 | Remote_ | I understand what commands are needed, I can't get where to type this ... |
| 02:41.33 | valorie | oh, you're using the web thingie |
| 02:41.36 | valorie | ugh |
| 02:41.43 | valorie | I suggest an actual client |
| 02:41.57 | olly | there should be a tab for "Freenode" or similar with messages from the server |
| 02:42.16 | olly | you can just type it here, just be very careful not to mistype... |
| 02:42.43 | valorie | an actual client can show you more than one server if necessary and other cool things |
| 02:42.50 | valorie | like logs |
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| 02:45.45 | olly | the captcha is the worst thing about it IMHO |
| 02:47.19 | Remote_ | @valorie: Yes, I use mibbit, i think it's better to download thunderbird then |
| 02:47.33 | valorie | tbird? |
| 02:47.45 | valorie | I didn't know they had an irc client |
| 02:47.54 | valorie | uses konversation |
| 02:48.12 | valorie | I thought mibbit was a service, not a client? |
| 02:48.32 | olly | it looks like you're using the freenode webchat (and I thought freenode blocked mibbit, but maybe that's evolved) |
| 02:48.39 | valorie | most used are irssi, hexchat |
| 02:48.42 | valorie | I guess |
| 02:49.26 | olly | AIUI there was a lot of abuse via mibbit, which is why they blocked it and deployed their own webchat for people who wanted a way to connect via a browser |
| 02:49.42 | Remote_ | @valorie: Yes, tbird has IRC support |
| 02:50.10 | valorie | cool |
| 02:50.15 | valorie | if you like it, use it |
| 02:50.27 | valorie | everyone should have tools they like |
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| 03:39.20 | wz1000 | Hi, how long do I have to submit a proof of enrollment? I'm waiting on a decision that will come by April 15-20th. |
| 03:40.06 | valorie | don't wait, wz1000 |
| 03:40.18 | valorie | if you have submitted it, you are probably done |
| 03:40.37 | valorie | just go ahead with fixing bugs and making your proposal better |
| 03:40.55 | valorie | oh, you haven't submitted yet |
| 03:40.58 | valorie | !rules |
| 03:41.00 | gsocbot | valorie: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/rules |
| 03:41.07 | valorie | read the rules for deadlines |
| 03:41.23 | valorie | wz1000: ^^^ |
| 03:43.49 | wz1000 | valorie: I don't have a proof of enrollment as I am graduating this year and waiting on a decision to get accepted into a masters program |
| 03:44.04 | wz1000 | I can't find any deadlines for the proof of enrollment submission |
| 03:44.15 | valorie | you will still be enrolled at the deadline |
| 03:44.18 | wz1000 | in the rules page |
| 03:44.18 | valorie | so you are fine |
| 03:44.30 | valorie | nothing about next year matters for this |
| 03:44.57 | valorie | what matters is your status on the final proposal deadline |
| 03:45.16 | valorie | just submit what the rules ask for |
| 03:45.22 | valorie | asap |
| 03:45.32 | wz1000 | I'm graduating in a month. |
| 03:45.50 | wz1000 | So I won't be enrolled in my current program for the gsoc duration |
| 03:46.22 | valorie | that doesn't matter |
| 03:46.34 | valorie | seniors are enrolled |
| 03:48.16 | valorie | if you are enrolled on April 9, 2019 you are enrolled for purposes of GSoC |
| 03:48.29 | valorie | so submit your proof ASAP |
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| 03:49.23 | valorie | best of luck on your masters program |
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| 03:49.54 | valorie | my youngest just got accepted into his phd program so I know how nerve wracking it can be |
| 03:50.11 | wz1000 | Ok, thanks a lot |
| 03:50.12 | valorie | but it matters zero for GSoC |
| 03:50.30 | valorie | unless you are graduating before the 9th |
| 03:50.37 | wz1000 | No, I'm not |
| 03:50.41 | valorie | cool |
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| 03:53.11 | wz1000 | valorie: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment - A scanned copy of your student identification card demonstrating that you will be enrolled on May 6, 2019. |
| 03:53.35 | valorie | and you will not be enrolled on May 6? |
| 03:53.45 | valorie | sorry, I didn't find that |
| 03:53.48 | wz1000 | No. |
| 03:53.51 | valorie | since I'm not a student |
| 03:54.20 | valorie | !support |
| 03:54.20 | gsocbot | valorie: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 03:54.39 | valorie | in that case, write to the above address for advice |
| 03:56.53 | valorie | not the lists, and not IRC |
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| 07:45.26 | cooder | help |
| 07:49.04 | cooder | Hi |
| 07:49.17 | cooder | where can i get bug list for any organisation |
| 07:49.21 | cooder | ?? |
| 08:03.21 | r0bby | cooder: By using their issue tracker |
| 08:03.27 | r0bby | or trackers |
| 08:03.51 | r0bby | There is no single list |
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| 08:06.37 | cooder | thanks @r0bby as i am new to GSoC, could you just tell where i could find issue tracker. |
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| 08:25.43 | Mc | using google, usually |
| 08:27.08 | r0bby | Mc: they left |
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| 12:12.36 | lakshay | help |
| 12:37.03 | teepee- | for what topic specifically? |
| 12:37.17 | teepee- | well, more specific than just "GSoC" :) |
| 12:43.56 | lakshay | I have not applied for gsoc |
| 12:44.17 | lakshay | and i have nither contributed to gsoc |
| 12:44.24 | lakshay | so please help |
| 12:44.39 | lakshay | What should I do? |
| 12:44.42 | teepee- | so you want to apply this year I assume? |
| 12:44.56 | teepee- | sounds like reading the student guide would be the best start then |
| 12:45.00 | teepee- | !studentguide |
| 12:45.00 | gsocbot | teepee-: https://g.co/gsoc/studentguide |
| 12:45.59 | teepee- | well, and the timeline as right now is still a good time, but the deadline is not that far away either |
| 12:46.02 | teepee- | !timeline |
| 12:46.04 | gsocbot | teepee-: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
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| 16:16.15 | Bushra | Can I choose more than one organization to submit the same proposal? |
| 16:19.08 | cbilt | O_o |
| 16:19.18 | cbilt | that's far out |
| 16:19.49 | PulkoMandy | usually the organizations come with their own ideas |
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| 16:20.03 | PulkoMandy | it's fine to have your own idea, but it should be related to what the organization does |
| 16:20.27 | PulkoMandy | and if you have an idea that fits very well with two organizations, you should contact them both and see if they would work together and co-mentor you |
| 16:20.36 | PulkoMandy | but this seems unusual, at least |
| 16:21.55 | cbilt | improved bookmarks manager for firefox, strace and tensorflow |
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| 16:24.42 | PulkoMandy | we attempted to do things like "port LibreOffice to Haiku" or "write a driver for webcams for ReactOS and Haiku" but usually there is quite enough to learn with one single project at a time |
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| 18:56.51 | olly | cbilt: oh yes please - my strace bookmarks are a total mess |
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| 19:28.03 | r0bby | olly: LOLLL |
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| 19:36.22 | r0bby | If you submit a proposal that we do not list and do not engage the communities prior -- you are VERY unlikely to be accepted. |
| 19:36.31 | r0bby | Big tip to students who are here and listening. |
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| 19:48.45 | olly | yeah, i think it's really unlikely someone new to a community could write a workable proposal for their own idea without discussing it first |
| 19:49.30 | r0bby | Happened already |
| 19:50.58 | r0bby | Feel free to amplify: https://twitter.com/robbyoconnor/status/1112802666411909120 |
| 19:51.48 | olly | is not on twitter |
| 19:57.45 | r0bby | heh |
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| 20:09.22 | Mc | we ask applicants to "get in touch as soon as possible" |
| 20:21.19 | Mc | ⦠and just as I say that, someone comes to IRC, asks where to start for GSoC, then leaves |
| 20:25.32 | r0bby | Mc: yeah |
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| 20:38.42 | valorie | r0bby: we've gotten no spam proposals yet |
| 20:38.56 | valorie | most of them are at least middling if not great |
| 20:39.07 | valorie | numbers are down though |
| 20:39.13 | valorie | could be a light year for us |
| 20:39.21 | fundamental | zero spam here as well |
| 20:39.22 | r0bby | We didn't get a spam proposal per se, but the whole didn't contact us bit did them in. |
| 20:39.35 | terri | we have one that looks kind of spammy, but I think it's more "they chose a proposal template used by spam students last year" |
| 20:39.55 | r0bby | I don't know why these students waste time |
| 20:40.59 | PulkoMandy | they don't waste this much time on it :/ |
| 20:41.21 | valorie | heh |
| 20:41.46 | r0bby | I'm actually kinda curious now |
| 20:41.52 | r0bby | Going to Google their proposal |
| 20:42.40 | r0bby | LOL at the title of the Google Doc "Proposal1" |
| 20:43.06 | terri | I emailed our students who were way off base, but didn't get any emails back so I don't know if they fixed their issues. |
| 20:43.39 | terri | I was planning to do another round last night, but then our dishwasher broke so I spent the evening doing dishes instead |
| 20:43.47 | terri | Ah, the glorious life of an org admin. ;) |
| 20:43.54 | valorie | I have emailed all of them who already submitted a final, and those who did PDFs |
| 20:44.05 | valorie | because you can't comment! |
| 20:44.13 | terri | I do really wish people would turn on comments |
| 20:44.29 | terri | I don't think a lot of students actually check their email. |
| 20:44.36 | valorie | I just get a list and send them BCC |
| 20:44.45 | valorie | so far, so good |
| 20:45.01 | valorie | if they don't, fine |
| 20:45.05 | valorie | no comments |
| 20:45.09 | fundamental | terri: based upon how many seem to send emails to the mailing list and then dissapear I suspect the same |
| 20:46.04 | r0bby | terri: not wasting my time emailing them |
| 20:46.06 | Cervator | did i mention getting an unsolicited GSOC proposal ... on my LinkedIn? |
| 20:46.18 | r0bby | Cervator: No, I did on Twitter though |
| 20:46.20 | PulkoMandy | we have one student hopelessly submitting non-compiling changes in pull requests and abandoning them to start over when we list the problems |
| 20:46.32 | PulkoMandy | other than that, applications looks ok here so far |
| 20:46.36 | Cervator | (asked the student to please go use regular channels - later again replied with a proposal update on LinkedIn) |
| 20:46.40 | Cervator | good times :-) |
| 20:47.00 | r0bby | Cervator: I don't accept private communication at all |
| 20:47.14 | fundamental | Cervator: sounds like a good time to verify their TPS reports are up-to-date :p |
| 20:47.17 | r0bby | I REALLY don't want to have to use the fact I can view PMs on Discourse |
| 20:47.47 | Cervator | you know, i should improve my arsenal of meme-based replies (with constructive subtext, of course) |
| 20:48.45 | terri | r0bby: I try to email the folk who get applications in early and have enough time to fix them, because we've had a few years where it turns out they get incredibly bad advice from their university and had no idea they were submitting incredibly bad applications. |
| 20:49.30 | valorie | I had a student thank me for being a hardass about improving his proposal |
| 20:49.37 | valorie | not in those words of course |
| 20:49.46 | r0bby | terri: In this case it is so obvious they spammed it |
| 20:50.01 | terri | It'd bad enough all the crappy advice they get from quora and whatnot. :P |
| 20:50.09 | valorie | but he said he'd learned a lot that would be useful for the project |
| 20:50.23 | terri | Cervator: ooh, LinkedIn is one I haven't gotten |
| 20:50.32 | olly | i guess trying to spam proposals outside the web app is an attempt to avoid the 3 proposal limit |
| 20:50.35 | valorie | I tell them that is should be good enough to be their guide for the summer |
| 20:50.51 | olly | expecting that if you submit to 100 orgs someone will bite and then you submit for real |
| 20:50.59 | olly | which of course isn't going to work in reality |
| 20:51.03 | valorie | terri: I refuse to read linkedin more than a couple of times per year |
| 20:51.29 | valorie | imo it is mostly spam emails to me |
| 20:51.37 | terri | valorie: yeah, now that I'm not job hunting, it's basically a source of spam. |
| 20:51.56 | terri | valorie: but at least I'm doing better than some of my friends, for whom it's a source of spam *and* random drive by pickup lines. |
| 20:51.56 | fundamental | valorie: but don't you want to be friends with the totally real recruiter-bot? |
| 20:52.15 | valorie | pickup lines! |
| 20:52.23 | r0bby | I refuse to respond to any recruiters today |
| 20:52.23 | valorie | fundamental: NO |
| 20:52.27 | valorie | lol |
| 20:53.24 | terri | r0bby: I sometimes send them increasingly elaborate requirements for them to get me to move to the bay area. I'm up to 8 million dollars, a general contractor who can read my mind, and a pony. |
| 20:53.53 | valorie | nice! |
| 20:53.55 | r0bby | I want a pony damn it |
| 20:54.09 | valorie | wants no ponies |
| 20:54.18 | r0bby | I'd probably kill the pony |
| 20:54.22 | fundamental | just try to get the offer to include more than a studio apt. |
| 20:54.25 | valorie | the 8 mill I could think of uses for |
| 20:54.26 | terri | the worst part is that it would probably cost *more* than 8 million dollars to get an equivalent house in the bay area, since I currently live 12 minutes from work. |
| 20:54.38 | r0bby | I could use 8 million |
| 20:54.46 | r0bby | That'd free me up to work on my FOSS stuff |
| 20:55.02 | terri | Not if you had to use the 8 million to buy a new house! |
| 20:55.08 | valorie | I'd fund education |
| 20:55.23 | olly | a pony is £25, so that's 8 million dollars and £25... |
| 20:55.27 | r0bby | If i were willing to relocate -- I'd have a ob |
| 20:55.30 | r0bby | job |
| 20:55.43 | fundamental | let's go google lottery-of-code |
| 20:55.43 | terri | the 12 minute commute versus the 1.5 hour commute is basically where I get all my open source time right now, what with a toddler and all. |
| 20:56.00 | terri | one day, I'll get the toddler to handle my paperwork, and it'll all be perfect. ;) |
| 20:56.16 | r0bby | Isn't that why people have kids? |
| 20:56.16 | terri | He's almost ready. 90% of his words are "no" so he could almost replace meflin. |
| 20:56.37 | terri | he does need to learn to type them instead of yelling, though |
| 20:56.45 | olly | text to speech? |
| 20:57.41 | terri | olly: but what will people do with feedback that appears to be "row row nono no no no up?" |
| 20:58.54 | fundamental | that sounds like the solution to a 90s adventure maze puzzle |
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| 21:18.23 | privet | Found these two proposal examples on the student guide page, have been using them as templates. Any advise? |
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| 21:20.02 | valorie | privet: talk to the org |
| 21:20.06 | valorie | talk to the org |
| 21:20.26 | valorie | that is the ONLY advice |
| 21:22.54 | olly | privet: also most orgs will have their own application template |
| 21:23.23 | r0bby | privet: Without speaking to the org -- you stand a pretty slim chance of getting selected .3 |
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| 21:26.56 | privet | Just asked the org, waiting for some replies. |
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| 21:27.57 | lkmats | Hi |
| 21:29.33 | privet | lkmats: Hi |
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| 21:39.50 | lkmats | Does anyone know if an organization admin can choose to let the student know if they're selected before the May 6 date if they have an internship offer? |
| 21:40.15 | olly | lkmats: google tell us strictly not to |
| 21:41.19 | lkmats | olly thanks that was my guess. I can see why they wouldn't. |
| 21:48.11 | lkmats | We need a g.co/gsod for season of docs |
| 21:50.33 | olly | also the selections can change up to the announcement (though they're mostly there a few days before) |
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| 21:51.24 | Tawfiek | Hi, |
| 21:53.47 | lkmats | Oh I see |
| 22:03.22 | valorie | there have been a very few cases where students were preliminarily accepted but lost that because of paperwork problems |
| 22:10.37 | olly | which if it happens before the announcement presumably results in other students getting accepted in their place |
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