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| 00:39.33 | r0bby | terri: I wouldn't outright reject as OA -- I would instead add a strong recommendation to consider the quality of their contributions very closely |
| 00:39.50 | r0bby | I'd focus on attention to detail |
| 00:43.15 | terri | r0bby: I only outright reject a few as OA, and those are the ones that aren't valid proposals. But they are often the ones with bad titles too! |
| 00:54.53 | r0bby | terri: I cross-checked contributions and outright rejected those who did not contribute anything -- a hard requirement -- we actually gave up a slot last year due to the lack of a contribution and my being unwilling to bend the rules just because we'd otherwise give up a slot due the unfairness it creates for those who DID follow the rules |
| 00:55.12 | r0bby | I think it was consensus |
| 00:55.15 | r0bby | but yeh :) |
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| 08:22.27 | Goku | hi folks, can the students know/ask the number of slots given to the project which he/she has applied for? |
| 08:23.05 | sagarhani | Goku, I guess No. |
| 08:23.28 | Goku | Thanks for the info. |
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| 11:16.02 | Chagalle | I'd say it's your loss if you only consider people who happen to have enough free time to contribute as a prerequisite for contributing more. I work 50h weeks right now so I skipped any org that had such a requirement |
| 11:20.42 | Chagalle | (assuming that means contributing to your org rather than FOSS in general) |
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| 11:37.16 | gevaerts | Chagalle: you mean people should pick someone and effectively give them a 12 week contract without any proof of ability? |
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| 12:31.05 | Chagalle | if you expect all candidates to spend time on YOUR project in order to judge them it tells me you don't respect their time much |
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| 12:32.57 | gevaerts | Yes, you're right. gsoc should be a pure lottery |
| 12:33.25 | Jaskirat_ | gevaerts: you mean !? |
| 12:33.37 | Chagalle | right. that's EXACTLY what I said. :) |
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| 12:34.22 | gevaerts | Jaskirat_: someone is objecting to organisations asking student applicants to show they care about the project they're proposing |
| 12:34.36 | gevaerts | So I decided a bit of sarcasm was needed |
| 12:35.13 | Jaskirat_ | gevaerts: oh fine ..! Sorry i missed it !! Did not know ! |
| 12:35.15 | Jaskirat_ | Thanks |
| 12:35.51 | gevaerts | Jaskirat_: don't worry about it. Only getting the second half of a conversation can be *very* confusing :) |
| 12:36.37 | Jaskirat_ | Yeah , thats true ! |
| 12:37.02 | Chagalle | especially when it consists of strawman arguments |
| 12:37.28 | gevaerts | Silly statements get silly responses, yes |
| 12:38.05 | Chagalle | imagine expecting to recruit talent by telling candidates to work for your company for free for a few days. who do you think will fall for that? |
| 12:38.19 | Chagalle | just a thought. |
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| 12:42.40 | blast007 | Chagalle: have you been involved in open-source projects before? |
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| 12:43.04 | gevaerts | I wouldn't think organisations typically expect the prerequisite contributions to take *days* |
| 12:43.50 | gevaerts | I'd expect those to be a lot less work than the rest of the proposal |
| 12:43.50 | Joefish | actually that is not uncommon, at least in my experience when I applied for an apprenticeship. Two of my friends who applied for design jobs at some high profile company actually worked up to 6 months (what is insane) for free just to get the job and show their dedication |
| 12:44.35 | achillion | Yeah but I don't think people consider unpaid internships a GoodThing |
| 12:44.50 | achillion | I kinda feel they're a bit exploitative |
| 12:44.52 | Joefish | not saying that it is good but that's what I experienced |
| 12:45.24 | achillion | otoh |
| 12:45.49 | achillion | I dunno, a bit of light contribution during the GSoC application phase isn't the worst idea. |
| 12:46.08 | achillion | Doesn't have to be a patch, but it does help if a student demonstrates they understand what the project is about |
| 12:46.39 | blast007 | and that they can actually *compile* the code :) |
| 12:46.44 | achillion | yeah |
| 12:46.48 | gevaerts | If I e.g. owned a restaurant, I wouldn't hire a chef without having them cook something |
| 12:47.21 | Joefish | 6 months is definitely exploitative but a few days is fine. The company can get to know you and vice-versa and see if you are a good fit to the team. Same with orgs here during gsoc. |
| 12:47.56 | Joefish | that's my opinion at least.. |
| 12:47.59 | achillion | Even something as little as opening an issue for something outdated in the documentation. It shows they've actually bothered reading the docs and understand that there's a mismatch between the docs and current version. |
| 12:48.18 | achillion | Joefish: I think I can agree with that, yeah. |
| 12:48.35 | gevaerts | The *big* difference between a gsoc organisation and a random company here I think is that if a random company hires someone who ends up not being good enough, they can fire them and hire someone else |
| 12:48.46 | gevaerts | For gsoc, that's a lost project |
| 12:50.29 | gevaerts | isn't sure if a few days work for free is fine, but he also isn't at all convinced that that's analogous to the gsoc situation |
| 12:58.54 | Chagalle | I think you can expect someone with no portfolio and little experience to put more effort on their application, but for example I didn't bother submitting a proposal to ffmpeg because I have a portfolio of multimedia processing projects and contributions and I don't have the time to do it again just to fulfill an arbitrary criterion |
| 12:59.19 | Chagalle | I don't think that means I'm less competent or even motivated |
| 13:00.19 | achillion | I think the average GSoC applicant has no portfolio of FOSS contributions |
| 13:01.20 | achillion | In my experience, a lot of orgs see GSoC as a way to get people INTO the idea of contributing to FOSS. The programme is an onboarding incentive, not a reward or job. |
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| 13:05.25 | achillion | (isn't that goal to begin with?) |
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| 13:09.30 | Chagalle | If you only want to mentor people with no portfolio then that's fine I guess. Personally, my goal is to get involved on a larger project and make more significant contributions than I have been able to up to now, and without the GSoC incentive I can't really justify taking time off during the summer to work on OSS. |
| 13:11.03 | gevaerts | If you have stuff you can point to, you can talk to organisations and see if they think those are good enough |
| 13:11.51 | Chagalle | True, but originally I was responding to someone who clearly stated that he was unwilling to bend the rules |
| 13:12.11 | teepee | which is fair enough, no? |
| 13:13.01 | Chagalle | sure, but like I said, it's probably their loss, both for missing out on a slot and for potentially turning people off |
| 13:13.21 | teepee | maybe, but you don't know that upfront |
| 13:13.55 | teepee | that's the same with job interviews too |
| 13:14.20 | gevaerts | There is no single thing you can do in life that's not a compromise. Being willing to bend the rules also has a cost |
| 13:14.23 | teepee | it's difficult for both sides |
| 13:14.34 | gevaerts | So I'd say it's unlikely to be an actual loss |
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| 14:07.09 | apsknight | !logs |
| 14:07.10 | gsocbot | apsknight: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 14:59.09 | echoani | Hey there when i submitted my proof on enrollment it was rejected |
| 14:59.27 | echoani | then reuploaded it now it says conditionally accepted |
| 14:59.45 | echoani | why so ? I am eligible if that is conditionally accepted? |
| 15:01.41 | jn__ | !proof |
| 15:01.43 | gsocbot | jn__: If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site. If it is not acceptable, we will ask you to upload a different document within a specified time frame. You will receive an email when your form has been approved. |
| 15:02.49 | gevaerts | It says that for everyone. I never really understood the subtlety, but I suspect it's to cover cases like later detecting fraud |
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| 16:05.21 | oleg-nenashev | Does anybody see a final slot number in webapp? |
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| 16:06.26 | Justin_o | i'm getting 0s at the moment |
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| 16:06.35 | oleg-nenashev | same thing |
| 16:06.56 | oleg-nenashev | At least we didn't mess up the application then, thanks! |
| 16:06.57 | jellybeana | Yeah, have they not given us any or is it a bug? |
| 16:07.26 | tkamppeter | Hi, I have requested min 19/max 20 slots and now I have got 0 slots, or is the slot distribution not yet completed? Do I have to wait. |
| 16:07.52 | oleg-nenashev | Yes, likely just a database sync time or whatever |
| 16:10.50 | Jaskirat_ | Where is it visible !? |
| 16:11.15 | gevaerts | In the org admin dashboard, I suppose |
| 16:11.28 | gevaerts | Or possibly also the mentor one |
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| 16:12.00 | Justin_o | It's basically in the same spot where you requested the slots |
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| 16:14.31 | Jaskirat_ | I think not in mentor dasboard !! |
| 16:15.52 | downey | our ourg also have 0 slots available, FWIW :) |
| 16:15.55 | downey | *org |
| 16:16.04 | braverock_wk | us as well |
| 16:16.07 | downey | Phew. :) |
| 16:16.11 | braverock_wk | I assume things are still processing |
| 16:19.17 | terri | I was hoping we just had the easiest year ever ;) |
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| 16:23.31 | test89373 | Is slot allocation still going on? |
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| 16:24.39 | test89373 | Did any of the org get slots? |
| 16:24.59 | blast007 | everyone is seeing 0 right now |
| 16:27.48 | Jaskirat_ | Well someone was asking me if a person can mentor in two fdifferent organisations ? |
| 16:27.49 | Crofton|work | I think so :) |
| 16:28.11 | Jaskirat_ | Not sure !? |
| 16:31.48 | downey | Check the mentors list archive, it has been discussed previously :) |
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| 16:44.28 | Jaskirat_ | downey: can you share it !? |
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| 16:48.52 | downey | Jaskirat_: https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/ |
| 16:49.29 | braverock_wk | we just got slots on the dashboard. no email yet, but it appears all is well |
| 16:49.58 | mhutti1 | Same here |
| 16:51.43 | Jaskirat_ | Its hard to find but thanks a lot for sharing |
| 16:51.51 | Jaskirat_ | downey: ^ |
| 16:53.41 | Justin_o | got the e-mail and the slots are showing up now, yeah |
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| 17:53.29 | p12 | How can we upgrade 'mentor' to 'admin' on gsoc portal? |
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| 20:24.50 | olly | Jaskirat_: AIUI, they'd need a second account with a different email address |
| 20:25.17 | Robert_S | olly: Mentor can be in two. Admin only one. |
| 20:25.18 | olly | but they really need to think carefully about the time requirements for mentoring two students |
| 20:25.55 | olly | Robert_S: ah, ok |
| 20:26.04 | olly | can an admin be mentor in a different org? |
| 20:26.26 | Robert_S | No. |
| 20:27.54 | olly | oh, one last one that's come up a few times - is there a way to promote a mentor to an admin? |
| 20:29.25 | Robert_S | Ask nicely. |
| 20:29.56 | olly | ok - i think we've been directing those to !support mostly |
| 20:30.41 | Robert_S | Perfect. |
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| 23:04.29 | Jaskirat_ | olly: thanks a lot |
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| 23:05.25 | olly | Jaskirat_: but see robert's answer over mine |
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