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| 02:57.45 | Guest76273 | Hi. Not sure where to go for this, but how much programming knowledge do I need to complete a project? I have been looking though the organizations and found most of them sounding very difficult. Granted, I was super late about GSOC since I am starting now and I have not contributed to any projects online. How much skill do I need when I start writing the proposal and how much can I pick up over the course of the project? |
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| 02:59.40 | Jaskirat_ | Guest76273: it usually depends upon the org you choose !! |
| 02:59.50 | Jaskirat_ | But basics languages work !! |
| 03:05.23 | olly | !amigoodenough @ Guest76273 |
| 03:05.24 | gsocbot | @ Guest76273: http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 03:05.58 | Jaskirat_ | olly: thanks |
| 03:27.35 | Guest76273 | Is there any organizations that I should look at first? I have around a year worth of experience in Java and knowledge in basic data types, I have looked at around 10 organizations, but since I am not too familar with them, I am not sure whether I can do it or not. |
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| 03:35.24 | olly | Guest76273: type java into the search box and you'll see orgs who've tagged themselves with that tag |
| 03:36.23 | olly | perhaps look for something where you have knowledge of the field from hobbies or other courses you've taken |
| 03:44.27 | Guest76273 | thanks, I am looking thorugh the list of them and just going through them. I want to try coding in a project but eh~ |
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| 11:09.32 | octobruno | Is letter of acceptance enough for participation? |
| 11:09.47 | octobruno | Acceptance from a graduate school |
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| 12:16.38 | ibodi | Hello! I am a student wanting to take part in GSoC. I have a question about proof of enrollment. |
| 12:18.00 | ibodi | I translated my Student ID card by myself, but I didn't translate every word of it, and I am wondering whether there is a person who could tke a look at my student id card and the translation and say whether it is OK |
| 12:18.31 | ibodi | Am I in the right place? |
| 12:21.34 | blast007 | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment "If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, do not ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site." |
| 12:21.51 | blast007 | I'd suggest reading that whole page |
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| 13:12.11 | hablo | Hey I've got a question about the timeline for GSoC: is it strict that it has to happen between the 14th May - 6th August? I have exams from the 11th -22nd June, so wouldn't really be able to do any work before the 22nd. Does this mean it's not worth applying? |
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| 13:17.21 | hablo | Looking at FAQs I guess it's not worth applying.. but equally, doesn't that rule out most UK ComSci students who'll all have exams at the end of June? |
| 13:18.07 | hablo | It seems unlikely that someone would have 30+ hours a week to work during term time, especially at my uni :( |
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| 13:45.54 | p_d | what are the max no of attempts allowed in gsoc ?? |
| 13:53.21 | thiago | 3 per year |
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| 14:27.02 | shreyansh_k | guys, I'm just curious. What happens if >two organizations want the same student? |
| 14:27.12 | thiago | they deduplicate |
| 14:27.19 | thiago | two go in the Thuderdome, one comes out |
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| 14:27.37 | jn__ | shreyansh_k: the first one to pick the student wins |
| 14:27.54 | shreyansh_k | Ah! |
| 14:28.02 | jn__ | they may coordinate themselves, i guess |
| 14:28.07 | achillion | I like thiago's method |
| 14:28.15 | achillion | can we propose that for next year? |
| 14:28.39 | shreyansh_k | so student doesn't get to say anything. basically, the student can not give, like a preference list. |
| 14:30.10 | shreyansh_k | jn__: Can't students give a preference or ordered list? |
| 14:30.47 | shreyansh_k | jn__: Oh! cool. thank you. |
| 14:32.21 | thiago | so, yes, students sometimes get asked which one they prefer |
| 14:32.30 | thiago | but it also happens that one org says "we really need this one" |
| 14:34.42 | shreyansh_k | thiago: But, all of that is unofficial. It may/may not happen. Students may get asked or not. Mentors may decide together or not. Right? |
| 14:34.55 | thiago | right |
| 14:36.50 | shreyansh_k | But, mentors CAN SEE who else wants a student if there is conflict, even if the student doesn't reveal other organizations where he/she applied. Right? |
| 14:37.29 | shreyansh_k | thiago: can you confirm ^ |
| 14:37.34 | thiago | sorry, I can't |
| 14:37.42 | thiago | I heven't seen the mentor interface for 5 years |
| 14:37.46 | thiago | it's changed since then |
| 14:38.06 | thiago | sorry, 3 years |
| 14:38.15 | thiago | was a mentor in 2015 |
| 14:38.46 | shreyansh_k | thiago: cool |
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| 14:38.58 | shreyansh_k | maybe, somebody else can answer... |
| 14:44.09 | madhur4127 | can this IRC be connected via IMs? Silly but I can't connect using pidgin |
| 14:45.00 | jn__ | madhur4127: everything that implements the IRC protocol can connect here |
| 14:45.13 | jn__ | madhur4127: pidgin is not excluded from that in principle |
| 14:45.19 | blast007 | madhur4127: pidgin does support IRC networks, though may not be the best client for the job |
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| 15:42.12 | gggggf | http://bit.do/mmhadzzz_png |
| 15:43.15 | meflin | gggggf: did you have a gsoc question? |
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| 15:43.48 | gggggf | nope imn new here :( |
| 15:44.01 | meflin | then stay on the topic |
| 15:45.17 | madhur4127 | is anyone preparing their proposals in latex? |
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| 16:42.38 | jurf[m] | Hey, can I apply for GSoC if I wonât know if Iâm accepted to university until May? Although Iâm basically 99% sure that I will be now. |
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| 16:49.39 | terri | jurf[m]: you need to be accepted as of the student acceptance date, which is in April this year I think |
| 16:49.58 | terri | jurf[m]: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#what_are_the_eligibility_requirements_for_participation |
| 16:57.13 | lachlan_s | You actually need to be accepted by the 27th of this month |
| 16:59.21 | terri | Either way, May is going to be too late for this year's program, sadly |
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| 17:01.08 | jurf[m] | lachlan_s: is an exception possible? No uni around here accepts that early, and besides, my entrance exams are already pardoned. |
| 17:01.08 | achillion | lachlan_s: accepted or enrolled? |
| 17:02.31 | jurf[m] | Thereâs a difference? |
| 17:02.56 | achillion | Between accepted and enrolled? |
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| 17:03.56 | achillion | Though the FAQ says "Yes, as long as you are accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of the date accepted students are announced, you are eligible to participate in the program." |
| 17:04.00 | jurf[m] | Yeah. |
| 17:04.29 | achillion | I was thinking of cases where one might be "accepted" into a Uni months before enrolments |
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| 17:04.37 | jurf[m] | I mean I should enroll automatically once Iâm accepted if I understand it correctly. |
| 17:05.16 | achillion | I mean people can get accepted into a multiple universities and not enrol in any? Unless I'm using "accepted" wrong. |
| 17:05.33 | achillion | s/?/./ |
| 17:06.14 | jurf[m] | I think yes. |
| 17:06.48 | jurf[m] | But if thatâs the case it sucks immensely, I was counting a lot on GSoC to fund my studies. |
| 17:06.57 | blast007 | jurf[m]: worst case, you have a full year to prepare for the next GSoC :) (assuming they do another one) |
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| 17:10.08 | jurf[m] | blast007: itâs been 5 |
| 17:10.09 | jurf[m] | 4 years since I first wanted to apply, I am more than ready :-/ |
| 17:10.35 | jurf[m] | First age, then finsing out high schools donât count, now bureaucracy. Iâm completely losing hope. |
| 17:11.11 | blast007 | had you participated in Google Code-in? |
| 17:11.40 | lachlan_s | Are you in the US? |
| 17:11.55 | jurf[m] | blast007: I only learned of its existence today, I havenât looked into it. |
| 17:12.27 | blast007 | GCI was for 13-17 year old pre-university students |
| 17:12.34 | blast007 | s/was/is/ |
| 17:12.34 | jurf[m] | lachlan_s: no, Slovakia, Europe. |
| 17:12.51 | blast007 | so, doesn't help you now, of course - was just curious |
| 17:14.34 | jurf[m] | Damnit, that looks good. |
| 17:14.49 | jurf[m] | Well, anyway, Iâll try shooting them an email and hope for the best. |
| 17:17.13 | blast007 | !support |
| 17:17.13 | gsocbot | blast007: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 17:17.17 | jurf[m] | Thanks for the help. |
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| 17:18.43 | jurf[m] | blast007: cheers. |
| 17:19.13 | jurf[m] | Sorry if I sound a bit depressive but it hasnât been much of a day, especially to find this out :-) |
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| 17:20.12 | StewMH | can i ask, what does "Want to mentor" on the Mentor dashboard mean? |
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| 17:21.40 | meflin | StewMH: it means you want to mentor that proposal personaly |
| 17:22.27 | StewMH | is it a binding commitment? do i take one forward, or is it done by my org? |
| 17:22.31 | StewMH | i'm in an umbrella organisation |
| 17:23.18 | meflin | before student selection is more of a indicator after selection you will be listed as a mentor |
| 17:23.58 | meflin | you should probably consult with your other mentors and org as part of student selection |
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| 17:39.25 | Robert_S_ | yawns. |
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| 17:52.26 | dhanraj | Is it necessary that we have to send the proposal to the mentors for review before submitting in for GSoC? |
| 17:53.00 | meflin | no but it is a good idea to talk to your mentors |
| 17:53.53 | dhanraj | But most of the mentors say to post the proposal in the gitter channel which is a public channel, others can easily copy my proposal? |
| 17:54.27 | meflin | and the mentors can notice that |
| 17:55.21 | olly | if we get two proposals and there's copied text, it's really obvious |
| 17:56.31 | dhanraj | That's obvious. But if someone just take the idea and present it in a different way, then it won't be possible to find out the plagiarism. |
| 17:56.41 | olly | we had it happen once despite there being no obvious way it could have, given two students in different parts of the world, neither of who had posted theirs publically |
| 17:57.45 | olly | turned out one had modifed the template on our wiki with his proposal, then realised and reverted that but meanwhile the other had taken a copy of the template |
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| 17:58.28 | olly | ah, the cult of the idea |
| 17:58.58 | olly | there's nothing really that special about an idea TBH - a good idea doesn't get your proposal accepted |
| 17:59.24 | olly | people have ideas all the time, but you need to put in the work to make them happen |
| 17:59.44 | dhanraj | I have made a considerable contribution to the repository |
| 17:59.58 | dhanraj | I am still contributing in the repository |
| 18:00.08 | dhanraj | So should I post it in the channel? |
| 18:00.26 | olly | if you're ask to, then yes |
| 18:00.44 | dhanraj | ok. |
| 18:01.10 | dhanraj | Also it is possible that the number of students selected previous year might change this year? |
| 18:01.30 | olly | i don't think it has been the same any two years running so far |
| 18:01.31 | meflin | that changes every year |
| 18:01.46 | olly | generally it goes up, but not every year |
| 18:01.50 | olly | the trend is up overall |
| 18:02.46 | dhanraj | the repository in which I am working selected 5 students last year. But now the mentors say that it is a small project. Could the number be less thi year? |
| 18:03.03 | olly | yes |
| 18:03.04 | olly | or more |
| 18:03.06 | olly | or the same |
| 18:03.20 | olly | it partly depends how many good proposals they get |
| 18:03.30 | olly | they're not going to ask for slots for proposals they don't want to accept |
| 18:03.32 | dhanraj | ok. |
| 18:03.51 | olly | so focus on making a good proposal and contributing useful clean patches |
| 18:04.00 | olly | and you'll help make that number one higher |
| 18:05.09 | dhanraj | I have made a good proposal as far as my friends say who participated in the GSoC last year and had been Google code in mentors. So I am worried about plagiarism. |
| 18:05.30 | olly | i think that's really the least of your worries |
| 18:05.54 | dhanraj | ok. |
| 18:05.55 | jn__ | dhanraj: in which way are you worried about plagiarism? |
| 18:06.17 | dhanraj | that others might copy my ideas and present in some other ways |
| 18:06.18 | meflin | time spent worrying is time you could spend bonding/learning with your comunity/mentors and contnributing code |
| 18:06.37 | dhanraj | they might have ideas and copy mine too which make their proposal better than mine |
| 18:08.26 | dhanraj | Well as said I'll post it in the channel and will also send the proposal through email to the mentors. |
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| 18:09.11 | dhanraj | I think you are right that the least of my worries I should focus on contributing as the mentors said. |
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| 18:09.50 | olly | it depends on the org somewhat, but the proposal may not even be the major factor in deciding which students to take |
| 18:10.10 | zephman | Is it too late to get involved if I've just started looking at organisation? |
| 18:10.22 | meflin | its not to late |
| 18:10.51 | olly | the world's best proposal document from a student who hasn't spoken to us at all is just not going to get picked |
| 18:11.31 | dhanraj | Ok. So I should focus on contributing rather than thinking about all this. |
| 18:11.38 | olly | we want students we can usefully interact with, and if your idea of interaction is to dump the finished result at the end, then we can't mentor you usefully |
| 18:12.07 | dhanraj | ok. |
| 18:13.16 | dhanraj | Well thanks for your suggestions. I am really feeling a little relieved. Now I'll focus on contributing and improving my proposal. |
| 18:14.48 | olly | cool |
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| 18:39.08 | kauii8 | Hi! Just a quick question if I am taking summer classes (only 1 or 2) am I still eligible to apply? I will still be able to dedicate 30 hours a week. |
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| 19:20.07 | Jai | I'm new to coding but I've experience in c. Can i apply for gsoc |
| 19:20.44 | olly | Jai: so you have experience in C but have never written code? |
| 19:20.52 | Jai | Yes i do |
| 19:20.54 | olly | not sure I'd call that "experience" |
| 19:21.13 | Jai | But not in other languages |
| 19:21.27 | olly | if you've never written code, I don't think it's feasible to do gsoc |
| 19:21.50 | Jai | I had written codes in c but not in others |
| 19:22.02 | olly | ok, well then look for projects which require coding only in C |
| 19:22.20 | Jai | Im good enough in c |
| 19:23.12 | Jai | New to coding, i mean that new to open source. |
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| 19:24.07 | olly | Jai: most students are new to open source |
| 19:24.25 | Jai | Hello r u there out there |
| 19:24.37 | olly | one of the key ideas behind gsoc is to get students new to open source involved |
| 19:25.07 | olly | kauii8: talk to the org you're planning to apply to |
| 19:25.13 | Jai | So what's ur suggestion. |
| 19:25.34 | Jai | Finally. |
| 19:25.38 | olly | "<olly> ok, well then look for projects which require coding only in C" |
| 19:25.57 | Jai | In gsoc or any other websites |
| 19:26.09 | olly | gsoc |
| 19:26.14 | Jai | Ohk |
| 19:26.17 | olly | that's what you're asking about and you asked in #gsoc |
| 19:26.22 | olly | so what else would I be talking about? |
| 19:26.34 | Jai | Ohk sry |
| 19:27.09 | Jai | I'm good in html5 and css too |
| 19:29.03 | Jai | ... |
| 19:30.33 | olly | look for projects coding only in C perhaps involding HTML5 and CSS then |
| 19:30.33 | olly | play to your existing strengths - look for projects where your existing skills and interests are relevant |
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| 19:53.20 | coderwin | Hi, i was recently contributing to an organisation, and they have invited me to join the organisation. |
| 19:53.51 | coderwin | Does that make me ineligible for gsoc? |
| 19:54.40 | jn__ | i rather doubt that. what does "joining" an open source org mean anyway? |
| 19:58.33 | terri | coderwin: I believe that's only an issue if you're being *paid* by the organization. You can't be double-paid. |
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| 20:14.26 | codewin | Hi, I was recently contributing to an org for gsoc and they know invited me to join their org via github. Does that make me ineligible for gsoc? |
| 20:14.48 | jn__ | 20:58 < terri> coderwin: I believe that's only an issue if you're being *paid* by the organization. You can't be double-paid. |
| 20:16.52 | codewin | No I am not being paid, They have just invited me to join their org. But once I becone a member. Can I apply for gsoc with the same org |
| 20:16.57 | olly | you can't be an unpaid director or officer of an org either |
| 20:17.07 | Robert_S | What does "join their org" mean? |
| 20:17.28 | codewin | Join their github organisation |
| 20:17.42 | Robert_S | That has no bearing on gsoc. |
| 20:18.10 | olly | Robert_S: I think it's "getting the commit bit" for millenials |
| 20:18.11 | achillion | it's pretty normal, tbh. We do it with everyone who shows interest. |
| 20:18.31 | Robert_S | olly: <this message has been deleted> |
| 20:18.33 | achillion | just add them to the org with no privs |
| 20:18.55 | olly | ah, getting the commit bit but it's a 0 bit |
| 20:19.00 | codewin | Oh, so being a member of an organisation, i can still apply with the same organisation for gsoc. Right? |
| 20:19.10 | olly | yes |
| 20:19.27 | codewin | Thanks |
| 20:20.47 | olly | (the getting paid by an org rule would mean you couldn't apply to *any* org at least by my reading) |
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