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| 00:19.19 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2018 | Organizations Announced! | https://g.co/gsoc |
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| 04:09.43 | lachlan_s | Anyone know when registration opens? |
| 04:13.16 | olly | today or tomorrow, depending on your timezone |
| 04:14.43 | lachlan_s | It's just after midnight for me |
| 04:15.51 | olly | it should be some point today for you then |
| 04:16.38 | olly | i'd imagine it'll happen during working hours on the US West Coast, so probably not for 11 or 12 hours |
| 04:17.07 | olly | if you have a proposal ready to submit, you can probably show it to the org outside of the website |
| 04:18.17 | lachlan_s | Yeah, I've been talking to a possible mentor for a couple of weeks, so they've already seen the proposal |
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| 05:48.46 | valorie | lachlan_s: there is no prize for being first to submit |
| 05:48.50 | valorie | :-) |
| 05:49.06 | olly | or last |
| 05:49.44 | valorie | last, definately NOT |
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| 07:41.43 | alkisg | Hello! May I ask a gsoc related question? What happens if I apply for 2 gsoc projects, and both get accepted? Do I get to choose which one I'll do? |
| 07:43.11 | Ivanovic | no, you don't get to choose |
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| 07:43.24 | Ivanovic | the orgs might ask for your preference but in the end any of the two might be it |
| 07:43.34 | Ivanovic | in fact you might never know about potentially being accepted by both |
| 07:44.31 | alkisg | Ivanovic: so if I'm the best candidate in orgA/projectA, and in orgB/projectB, somehow orgA will know that I e.g. got selected in orgB, so that orgA will select the second better candidate, I assume? |
| 07:44.32 | Ivanovic | and beware, creating a really good application is time consuming |
| 07:44.47 | Ivanovic | correct |
| 07:44.51 | alkisg | Very nice |
| 07:44.54 | alkisg | Thank you very much! :) |
| 07:44.57 | Ivanovic | there is actually a "trading" session if there are conflicts |
| 07:45.35 | Ivanovic | especially in case where orgB has no good runner up, then they are more likely to get you than orgA who might have some almost as good runner ups |
| 07:45.51 | Ivanovic | in those cases you will probably never know that both would have accepted you |
| 07:46.08 | Ivanovic | but as I wrote, please beware that a really good application requires a lot of time and effort |
| 07:46.26 | Ivanovic | being potentially accepted into two orgs is a lot more seldom than you might think right now |
| 07:46.31 | alkisg | Gotcha; I already contribute to both projects and I didn't want to cause issues if it happens that I'm the best applicant in both projects |
| 07:46.44 | alkisg | Thanks a lot again :) |
| 07:47.01 | Ivanovic | okay, that improves your chances |
| 07:47.03 | Ivanovic | :) |
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| 07:58.01 | olly | there's no trading session now |
| 07:58.09 | olly | the first org to select the student has priority |
| 07:58.42 | olly | the other org can see the student is already selected if they try to select them, and can either contact the first org or just select a different student |
| 07:59.01 | olly | Ivanovic: alkisg: ^ |
| 08:00.01 | raincrash | ohh. Good to know. |
| 08:00.12 | alkisg | olly, thank you very much |
| 08:00.23 | olly | it's been that way since the new website |
| 08:00.34 | olly | which means 2 or 3 years ago I think |
| 08:00.44 | raincrash | Melange days were different I guess. Can students edit the proposal after the application as well? |
| 08:00.56 | raincrash | *period |
| 08:01.01 | olly | yes, you can update until the deadline |
| 08:01.38 | raincrash | During the review period? |
| 08:02.31 | raincrash | After March 27, 2018. |
| 08:05.43 | alkisg | Ah, another question, I'm doing my phd but I'm 45 years old, there's no upper age limit to apply for gsoc, is there? |
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| 08:34.11 | olly | raincrash: no, you can't update after the deadline - that's kind of how deadlines work |
| 08:34.52 | raincrash | Got it. Thanks. :) |
| 08:36.34 | olly | alkisg: there's no upper age limit, though it may not work so well with a phd as gsoc is 3 months of full time work |
| 08:37.33 | alkisg | Thank you olly, my professor agrees with me participating, I don't think I'll be having time availability issues |
| 08:37.59 | olly | ok - it seems quite variable how flexible phd students can be |
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| 09:39.35 | triled | Is there a particular reason that students can only participate in GSoC twice? |
| 09:42.31 | olly | triled: one of the main motivations is to help get new people contributing to open source - after two GSoCs, you already are |
| 09:45.00 | triled | Are there any plans to lower the limits from two in the future? (I think it used to be 5, then 3, now 2)... |
| 09:48.26 | olly | there wasn't a limit original I think, and I think it was 3 last year |
| 09:48.38 | olly | I doubt it'll drop much further anyway! |
| 09:49.15 | olly | *originally |
| 09:50.20 | olly | I think the 5 you're thinking of might be 5 proposals in one year, which was last year's limit (that limit is 3 this year) |
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| 09:53.01 | triled | I got the five from here: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-maximum-number-of-times-that-one-can-participate-for-GSOC-as-a-student |
| 09:53.40 | triled | but I can't guarantee this! |
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| 09:58.51 | olly | quora seems to be full of poor advice about GSoC at least |
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| 10:35.03 | olly | someone on the internet is wrong - in 2015 it was "7. I am a student who has already participated in Google Summer of Code. Can I apply again this year?" "Yes, provided you meet all other eligibility requirements, you are welcome and encouraged to apply for this year's instance of the program. You might also want to consider becoming a mentor instead." |
| 10:35.17 | olly | https://web.archive.org/web/20150207064256/http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#9._I_am_a_student_who_has_already |
| 10:36.05 | olly | and in 2016 "You have not already participated as a Student in GSoC more than twice" |
| 10:36.12 | olly | https://web.archive.org/web/20160402151251/https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#what_are_the_eligibility_requirements_for_participation |
| 10:39.17 | teepee- | impossible, internet is always correct |
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| 12:34.31 | lachlan_s | You're right. I'm being a bit over-eager :) |
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| 12:56.27 | jn__ | Arica: what do you need help with? |
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| 13:46.09 | Joefish | hi. I just saw that I cannot log in on the gsoc site. Will all account from previous years be purged or will they be available again once the official registration is opened (in about 3 hours)? |
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| 13:51.02 | teepee- | last times new logins were needed, so probably this time too |
| 13:51.12 | teepee- | Joefish: ^ |
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| 14:14.27 | ravan | hello |
| 14:15.23 | ravan | student registration section is open? |
| 14:15.52 | ravan | i cant find out the link for registration |
| 14:16.06 | ravan | pleaser any one help me |
| 14:16.17 | ravan | please help me |
| 14:16.25 | gevaerts | ravan: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline says 16:00 UTC |
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| 14:17.27 | jn__ | i.e. in about 1:40 |
| 14:17.49 | ravan | ohhh student registration is started from today & end on27 |
| 14:18.18 | ravan | am i wright ? |
| 14:18.28 | ravan | am i right ? |
| 14:19.12 | jn__ | ravan: you are right about that |
| 14:19.30 | ravan | ok |
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| 16:13.52 | *** topic/#gsoc by ChanServ -> Google Summer of Code 2018 | Student Application Period has begun! | https://g.co/gsoc |
| 16:15.03 | intrigus | !timeline |
| 16:15.03 | gsocbot3 | intrigus: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 16:15.05 | intrigus | !nest |
| 16:15.06 | gsocbot3 | intrigus: Not a factoid |
| 16:15.07 | intrigus | !next |
| 16:15.08 | gsocbot3 | intrigus: Organizations Announced February 12, 2018 |
| 16:15.25 | intrigus | ^ Robert_S |
| 16:15.55 | Robert_S | intrigus: Other people take care of the bot. |
| 16:16.05 | gevaerts | In fact, anyone can |
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| 16:19.52 | octobruno | Hi, by when should the proof of enrollment be uploaded? |
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| 16:21.36 | intrigus | !learn next = Student Application Ends March 27, 2018 |
| 16:21.36 | gsocbot3 | intrigus: Not a factoid |
| 16:22.01 | intrigus | !next |
| 16:22.01 | gsocbot3 | intrigus: Student Application Ends March 27, 2018 |
| 16:22.07 | intrigus | :) |
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| 16:28.49 | broy27 | there is an option in registration Have you ever participated in open source before. I have fixed some bugs of some organisation.So shall i choose yes |
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| 16:30.44 | octobruno | @<broy27> yes |
| 16:31.25 | robstat7_ | octobruno: I accidently choose NO. Will it affect in any manner? |
| 16:32.39 | octobruno | @robstat7_, I don't think so. It's mostly for statistics |
| 16:32.51 | robstat7_ | Thank you |
| 16:32.52 | broy27 | i agree |
| 16:33.53 | lachlan_s | I may have run into an issue with registration. I'm still waiting to hear back from some schools, and don't want to commit to any now. I assumed I could just submit proof of acceptance on April 23rd, but I apparently need to commit to register? |
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| 16:34.15 | octobruno | lachlan_s same question here! |
| 16:34.32 | lachlan_s | I sent them an email. |
| 16:34.36 | lachlan_s | Hope they get back to me soon |
| 16:34.59 | octobruno | You can change your university in the dashboard |
| 16:35.08 | lachlan_s | You can? |
| 16:35.11 | lachlan_s | Fantastic |
| 16:35.14 | lachlan_s | Thanks a ton |
| 16:35.22 | octobruno | But my question is, do we have time till the 23rd of April |
| 16:35.32 | octobruno | or the 27th of March |
| 16:35.48 | lachlan_s | I think the faq said 23rd of april |
| 16:35.54 | lachlan_s | What did you say for your school? |
| 16:36.59 | octobruno | So we can upload proof of enrollment till the 23rd? |
| 16:37.13 | teepee- | I don't think so |
| 16:37.32 | octobruno | lachlan_s I don't have any acceptances yet, but I've put the name of the school where I'm most likely to hear back from |
| 16:37.41 | teepee- | the rules say "Prior to submitting a Project Proposal, the Student must submit a Proof of Enrollment through the Program Website" |
| 16:37.46 | teepee- | so that would be relevant I guess |
| 16:38.19 | lachlan_s | "You must currently be a full or part-time student (or have been accepted for the fall term) at an accredited university as of the student acceptance date" |
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| 16:38.28 | lachlan_s | Acceptance date is april 23rd |
| 16:39.02 | octobruno | lachlan_s I think they mean we should be a student as of that date |
| 16:39.14 | intrigus | !support |
| 16:39.15 | gsocbot3 | intrigus: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 16:39.51 | lachlan_s | well shit |
| 16:40.10 | teepee- | that rule says you can't submit a proposal without the proof of enrollment |
| 16:40.17 | teepee- | which sounds pretty clear to me |
| 16:40.26 | octobruno | Yep teepee is right :/ |
| 16:40.38 | VM_ | Hi, My college name got changed 2 months back and in my ID card old name is present, what should I do? |
| 16:41.17 | VM_ | What should I submit as proof of enrolment? |
| 16:41.26 | intrigus | !support VM_ |
| 16:41.26 | gsocbot3 | intrigus: Not a factoid |
| 16:41.37 | intrigus | !support | VM_ |
| 16:41.37 | gsocbot3 | intrigus: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 16:41.46 | intrigus | ^ VM_ |
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| 16:43.51 | broy27 | VM only enrolment proof letter will work in ur case |
| 16:44.17 | lachlan_s | octobruno: When do you hear back from universities? |
| 16:44.56 | octobruno | lachlan_s Until the end of next month, not sure what to do here |
| 16:45.40 | lachlan_s | Send them an email and ask. They should know students hear back later than the 27th of march |
| 16:47.00 | octobruno | lachlan_s Someone has already posted on the google group |
| 16:47.15 | octobruno | VM_ use old name during registration? |
| 16:47.45 | octobruno | VM_ rules say both should match, that's all |
| 16:49.23 | VM_ | octobruno but, they are also asking school website... name will be different there |
| 16:50.25 | VM_ | I think enrolment proof letter is better option. |
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| 16:59.41 | arkantos | Hello, I had a question about the proof of enrollment. |
| 17:00.11 | arkantos | My name on my school ID card states John Doe, but my official name (on passport and everything else) is John Doe Smith. |
| 17:00.26 | arkantos | I can get a letter from my school certifying the enrollment of John Doe Smith. |
| 17:00.48 | arkantos | But I already have my ID card that satisfies all the requirements, except that it only mentions John Doe. |
| 17:01.02 | arkantos | Should I get the letter or will this not be a problem? |
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| 17:03.32 | octobruno | *lachlan_s* lachlan_s have you sent an email about this? |
| 17:03.42 | lachlan_s | Yes |
| 17:04.11 | lachlan_s | You should email them as well, since your context is a little different |
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| 17:09.49 | octobruno | lachlan_s, so you have an acceptance already? sweet |
| 17:10.25 | lachlan_s | From one university, but I'm still waiting to hear back from others |
| 17:10.40 | lachlan_s | The local state school |
| 17:11.17 | octobruno | lachlan_s, oh cool |
| 17:12.33 | srv_twry | Hi! I am facing a problem and would appreciate some guidance over it. In my country it's not mandatory to have a surname, so i don't have a surname in my legal name i.e. registered in my university. The student registration form wanted a legal last name and it was compulsory was well. I added my father's surname in the form. Will it be a problem ? |
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| 17:24.11 | srv_twry | Hi! I am facing a problem and would appreciate some guidance over it. In my country it's not mandatory to have a surname, so i don't have a surname in my legal name i.e. registered in my university. The student registration form wanted a legal last name and it was compulsory was well. I added my father's surname in the form. Will it be a problem ? |
| 17:24.28 | meflin | !support |
| 17:24.29 | gsocbot3 | meflin: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
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| 17:29.08 | srv_twry | !support |
| 17:29.09 | gsocbot3 | srv_twry: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 17:29.15 | srv_twry | Hi! I am facing a problem and would appreciate some guidance over it. In my country it's not mandatory to have a surname, so i don't have a surname in my legal name i.e. registered in my university. The student registration form wanted a legal last name and it was compulsory was well. I added my father's surname in the form. Will it be a problem ? |
| 17:29.53 | meflin | srv_twry: email support |
| 17:30.14 | meflin | repeating your self endlessly does nothing |
| 17:30.36 | srv_twry | meflin: Okay, thank you |
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| 18:21.10 | chaitanyagiri | Hello everyone, I am facing a problem while applying for gsoc. Actually I was a mentor in Google Code-In'17 and now when I want to use the same email ID in GSOC it says: "Inactive Account" and I can not proceed please help. |
| 18:21.35 | meflin | account do not persist make a new one |
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| 19:24.23 | olly | arkantos: it seems prudent to get the letter - you could email support to ask though |
| 19:25.26 | olly | i'd think such a letter would be useful when applying for jobs in the future, in case an employer decides to try to confirm your university history |
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| 19:33.34 | lachlan_s | Anyone know how many student slots there are? |
| 19:33.53 | meflin | no one does |
| 19:34.34 | olly | i'd guess someone at OSPO might |
| 19:35.01 | olly | but it's not usually announced until the accepted student are |
| 19:36.13 | lachlan_s | Is it divided up by organization or in total? |
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| 19:38.20 | meflin | each org requests a number of slots then they are alocated later |
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| 19:38.32 | meflin | this is not somthing students need to worry about |
| 19:38.48 | olly | *after student applications close*, orgs look through them and give google two numbers, and google allocate slots based on those |
| 19:39.01 | olly | so it's really not relevant to students, especially not a this point |
| 19:39.14 | olly | if you submit a great proposal, your org will ask for a slot for it |
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| 19:40.18 | olly | there's only one aspect which is worth being aware that I can think of, which is that first time orgs typically are limited to 2 slots while they learn the ropes |
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| 19:40.52 | olly | so if you're interested in a first time org and the place is heaving with other students, a backup proposal to another org is probably wise |
| 19:43.01 | olly | Robert_S: on my (org admin) dashboard, the timeline snippet shows "NEXT 28th Match Slot Request" but that doesn't match the full timeline |
| 19:43.46 | olly | 28th should be "Student Applications Close", and April 10th is "Organization Slot Request" |
| 19:44.25 | olly | (the March/Match typo was mine, not the site) |
| 19:45.52 | meflin | olly: Robert_S I have a diff TZ but I can confirm the mismatch |
| 19:46.10 | meflin | olly: mine claims march |
| 19:46.45 | olly | meflin: yes, I retyped the message, badly |
| 19:47.00 | meflin | oh heh I read that wrong sorry |
| 19:47.28 | lachlan_s | If you're in contact with someone from the organization, are they allowed to tell you if you have a good chance of being selected after the final proposal submission? |
| 19:47.38 | olly | no |
| 19:47.56 | olly | we're not allowed to discuss proposal selection with students |
| 19:47.57 | CFS-MP3 | lachlan_s in general you will know without the org telling you |
| 19:48.00 | meflin | they can give you feedback to improve your proposal |
| 19:48.54 | Robert_S | olly: meflin: Thanks. email better for this kind of thing, I sometimes miss IRC. |
| 19:49.01 | olly | it's probably reasonable to tell a student "you really need to work on this - we wouldn't accept a proposal without a proper timeline" |
| 19:49.23 | olly | or perhaps "your proposal is in good shape now" |
| 19:49.38 | Robert_S | olly: meflin: But reported and tracked and I'll investigate it later. |
| 19:50.01 | olly | but talking about whether it would be selected vs others is definitely not something mentors should be doing |
| 19:50.10 | olly | Robert_S: i know, but i'm lazy |
| 19:50.26 | lachlan_s | I see! |
| 19:50.33 | lachlan_s | Thanks for the help guys |
| 19:50.37 | Robert_S | olly: Aren't we all... |
| 19:50.40 | olly | i'd have emailed if you hadn't responded |
| 19:51.08 | Robert_S | :) |
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| 19:51.12 | olly | the 3 qualities of a great programmer - laziness, hubris, and ... i can't be bothered to look up the other one |
| 19:51.26 | Robert_S | I'm glad you found a bug, because nothing else had gone wrong, and there's always one thing. |
| 19:52.02 | lachlan_s | CFS-MP3: How so? |
| 19:52.04 | Mr_ | Can a student graduated in feb 2018 can apply for this google summer of code? |
| 19:54.52 | olly | certainly not with that short an attention span |
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| 19:57.40 | gsoccer | hello can somone please tell me if applying to more than one organization jeopardizes my chances of selection in any way? |
| 19:57.50 | gsoccer | can one organization see that i have applied to another? |
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| 20:04.21 | Robert_S | olly: meflin It's not wrong, it's just confusing. |
| 20:04.33 | Robert_S | slot requests start the ~27th, and go until the ~9th |
| 20:14.11 | CFS-MP3 | lachlan_s In order to get accepted you will need to interact a lot with your org. Even if your proposal is perfect, you're unlikely to get accepted if they don't know you at all |
| 20:14.30 | lachlan_s | True true! |
| 20:14.58 | CFS-MP3 | And if you've interacted with the org then you just have an idea of whether they like you and your proposal... |
| 20:15.10 | olly | you might be brilliant, but a student who's very able but just ploughes off into the distance without any ability to steer is very frustrating |
| 20:15.21 | CFS-MP3 | orgs tend to spend a lot of time with proposing students |
| 20:15.33 | CFS-MP3 | you can tell whether they are excited about you or not |
| 20:17.58 | CFS-MP3 | however keep in mind that orgs don't really have the final word... we may or may not have a slot for you, or there can be some other issue... which is why (apart from the rules) orgs will never confirm acceptance to students |
| 20:18.37 | CFS-MP3 | but we've never had a student say "I was sure you were going to accept me and didn't" or the other way around |
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| 23:06.50 | vaibhav | help |
| 23:09.38 | lachlan_s | geist: I can't seem to find anywhere in lk that disables the interrupts, even though many of the scheduling functions check if their disabled |
| 23:10.02 | lachlan_s | Whoops, wrong channel |
| 23:24.22 | CFS-MP3 | show off :-) |
| 23:26.56 | lachlan_s | :/ Now I seem like an asshole |
| 23:33.39 | CFS-MP3 | Nah, just kidding :-) |
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| 23:35.51 | CFS-MP3 | https://notes.shichao.io/lkd/ch7/ |
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| 23:41.24 | lachlan_s | CFS-MP3: I'm trying to get preemptive scheduling working in my hobby os. Many things going wrong :P |