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| 04:12.56 | Niharika | No 2016 stats? |
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| 04:22.19 | olly | Niharika: should be a blog post soon apparently |
| 04:22.48 | Niharika | olly: Ah, okay. I recall last year they were up pretty early. |
| 04:24.07 | olly | sttaylor was at a conference overseas last week and it's easter weekend, so not surprising if it's slower than last year |
| 04:30.08 | bshah | just in case my last message didn't go through |
| 04:30.16 | bshah | bshah | also, well I believe stats would be more interesting once students get selected |
| 04:30.40 | markedsea | Why so, bshah? |
| 04:31.27 | bshah | Well numbers of total proposals doesn't mean anything.. because well, they can include spam and useless proposals too |
| 04:31.57 | bshah | stats would be more informative, if they include number of selected students and demographic about that |
| 04:33.32 | markedsea | Has there been a year where there was a breakdown of selected? I know a lot of stats were posted about participants, not many about selected. |
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| 04:41.05 | olly | markedsea: by "participants" do you mean "applicants"? |
| 04:42.47 | olly | i'm fairly sure I've seen stats by country for those who applied and those who were accepted for at least one past year |
| 04:44.36 | andralv | i'd like to check those stats |
| 04:45.09 | olly | all the old blog posts are linked |
| 04:45.17 | olly | so dig in |
| 04:45.52 | markedsea | Oh. |
| 04:46.10 | markedsea | I've misread, it's actually a list of accepted students. |
| 04:46.17 | markedsea | I thought it was of all applications. |
| 04:46.19 | markedsea | applicants*. |
| 04:49.00 | olly | most of the stats are of those accepted |
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| 04:53.24 | markedsea | Overall success rate refers to the number of accepted that make it to the final examination successfully, right? |
| 04:54.25 | valorie | who pass it |
| 04:55.09 | valorie | but there is no exam |
| 04:55.32 | valorie | it is the students who finish their project to their mentor and org's satisfaction |
| 04:55.57 | markedsea | Uhh, not examination, evaluation. |
| 04:56.06 | markedsea | I'm somehow super backwards today. |
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| 05:07.05 | Tahir | !numapps |
| 05:07.05 | gsocbot | Tahir: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 proposals (by 4425 students). 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
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| 05:33.23 | icodemachine | !numapps |
| 05:33.23 | gsocbot | icodemachine: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 proposals (by 4425 students). 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
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| 05:34.13 | bshah | if you do it again and again it is not going to change :p |
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| 05:49.38 | markedsea | One can hope! |
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| 09:24.42 | siaw | this is not a question about gsoc |
| 09:24.47 | siaw | but iâll ask anyway |
| 09:24.58 | siaw | can some open source projects be sold? |
| 09:25.11 | siaw | like be sold and still be open source? |
| 09:25.19 | PulkoMandy | what do you mean by "sold"? |
| 09:27.33 | PulkoMandy | usually when you buy something (say a windows license), you buy only a license that allows you to use the software, you don't buy the software itself |
| 09:27.53 | siaw | sold for example |
| 09:28.00 | M-aviraldg | Yes, under a dual license. |
| 09:28.10 | M-aviraldg | Or you could sell support. |
| 09:28.23 | siaw | iâm seeing a gem called âsidekiqâ, itâs source code is open. but on their website they are selling the service |
| 09:28.39 | siaw | like this: http://sidekiq.org/ |
| 09:28.52 | siaw | and this is the project on github: https://github.com/mperham/sidekiq |
| 09:29.49 | M-aviraldg | That's a very common oss revenue model |
| 09:29.53 | PulkoMandy | ok, so in that case they are selling a service, not the software |
| 09:30.03 | M-aviraldg | Software is free, but the service is paid |
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| 09:30.23 | PulkoMandy | and the software itself is free and open source so you could get it, install it on your own seervers, and start selling the same or a similar service if you wanted to |
| 09:31.10 | siaw | so whatâs the difference between open source and free software? |
| 09:31.31 | PulkoMandy | depends at which definition of each you look at :) |
| 09:31.37 | siaw | i see |
| 09:31.44 | siaw | means itâs subjective |
| 09:32.02 | PulkoMandy | commonly admitted definitions for "free software" are the ones from the FSF and Debian (which are not exactly the same) |
| 09:32.29 | PulkoMandy | in the strictest sense, "open source" means only "here is the source, you can look at it but you are not allowed to copy it or make any changes" |
| 09:32.51 | PulkoMandy | while "free software" means you are free to do these things, use the software, and study it |
| 09:33.42 | siaw | so with this definition: "open source" means only "here is the source, you can look at it but you are not allowed to copy it or make any changes |
| 09:33.52 | PulkoMandy | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_term_for_free_software |
| 09:33.56 | siaw | it means me adding to software on github is not opensource |
| 09:34.08 | PulkoMandy | here is some backstory on how people come up with several terms to mean the same thing :) |
| 09:34.42 | siaw | ah this linke makes things more clearer |
| 09:34.46 | PulkoMandy | if you add software to github, without putting an explicit LICENSE file in it, you already give some rights to other people because of github terms and conditions for public repositories |
| 09:34.49 | siaw | but itâs confusing i must admit |
| 09:34.55 | olly | i'd argue "here is the source, you can look at it but you are not allowed to copy it or make any changes" is a misuse of the term |
| 09:35.11 | olly | approved by https://opensource.org/ is the usual meaning |
| 09:35.26 | PulkoMandy | github's saying on what happens if you host something on github without a license: http://choosealicense.com/no-license |
| 09:36.13 | olly | and their definition was actually based on debian's |
| 09:41.08 | siaw | very interesting |
| 09:41.18 | siaw | but thanks guys ;) |
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| 10:36.39 | blast007 | siaw: Dual licensing has nothing to do with being able to sell the software. One of the criteria based on the OSI's definition of open source explicitly requires being able to sell the software. You'd still need to follow the text of the license, of course. https://opensource.org/osd |
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| 15:28.27 | decause | quick question: is there an .ical file available for the GSoC milestones schedule? |
| 15:28.38 | decause | I have a thread for one from 2014, but I didn't see one for this year |
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| 15:28.48 | teepee | directly on top of the timeline page, no? |
| 15:29.01 | decause | poked around and must have missed it? |
| 15:29.06 | teepee | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 15:29.57 | decause | teepee++ |
| 15:30.02 | decause | many thanks |
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| 20:14.00 | rtcoder | Hi I am confused about something, is google summer of code the same thing as google code-in? |
| 20:14.17 | M-aviraldg | no |
| 20:15.53 | M-aviraldg | Google Code-in aims to introduce school students to OSS by letting them complete smaller tasks with OSS orgs, GSoC is the same for college students, but with much larger projects done over the summer. |
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| 20:41.23 | rtcoder | M-aviraldg: Sorry I disconnected |
| 20:41.38 | rtcoder | M-aviraldg: So can middle/high schoolers participate in GSoC? |
| 20:41.48 | M-aviraldg | no |
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| 20:45.06 | Freso | Sure they can? |
| 20:45.25 | Freso | Oh. GSoC. |
| 20:45.27 | Freso | Nvm. |
| 20:46.39 | Freso | rtcoder: You have to be enrolled at a university (or other accredited institute of "higher learning") and be â¥18 years old to participate in GSoC. |
| 20:46.45 | Freso | !rules | rtcoder |
| 20:46.45 | gsocbot | rtcoder: "rules" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/rules |
| 20:47.29 | rtcoder | Freso: ok |
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| 20:47.41 | rtcoder | So GSoC is summer and GCI is winter? that how it is every year? |
| 20:47.47 | Freso | Yes. |
| 20:52.20 | olly | I believe in some countries, you can actually still be at the equivalent of highschool, and be eligible - you have to be over 18 and have a letter of acceptance for a university for the next year though |
| 20:57.52 | Freso | sttaylor: It was actually one of our GCI finalists that pointed it out to me, so credit goes to her. :) |
| 20:58.41 | sttaylor | Freso: cool, thanks |
| 21:00.01 | Freso | ð |
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