| 00:06.45 | Calinou | Zephman, I kind of feel the same way too, but you need to try to eventually succeed |
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| 01:08.57 | valorie | Zephman: nothing like just diving in |
| 01:09.00 | valorie | :-) |
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| 01:19.47 | Zephman | valorie: That's true. It's worth a try at least. |
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| 03:41.49 | VermillionAzure | Hello? |
| 03:41.52 | VermillionAzure | Anyone here? |
| 03:43.26 | VermillionAzure | No one? |
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| 03:45.54 | Zephman | Hi |
| 03:46.10 | Zephman | VermillionAzure: Hello |
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| 03:59.51 | VermillionAzure | Oh hi |
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| 03:59.58 | VermillionAzure | So uh I'm here to talk about GSOC I guess... |
| 04:00.10 | VermillionAzure | I was wondering what other people are doing |
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| 04:04.25 | downey | !anyone |
| 04:04.25 | gsocbot | downey: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/ |
| 04:04.43 | downey | Hmm, that wasn't what I thought ... |
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| 04:11.10 | VermillionAzure | Hi |
| 04:11.17 | VermillionAzure | !hi |
| 04:13.51 | Zephman | !KDE |
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| 04:26.58 | valorie | Zephman: the GSoC channel for KDE is #kde-soc |
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| 04:31.08 | Vermie | Anyone there? |
| 04:31.21 | meflin | nope not there |
| 04:31.26 | Zephman | Hi |
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| 04:53.44 | Vermie | um so |
| 04:53.48 | Vermie | hi?... |
| 04:53.56 | Vermie | how good are you guys? |
| 04:54.23 | meflin | how good ? |
| 04:55.03 | meflin | you obvoiously have a question ask it |
| 04:56.49 | Vermie | I mean how experienced are you guys? |
| 04:56.57 | Vermie | I'm still not so good so I'm wondering what type of people do GSOC |
| 04:57.26 | meflin | scratches head |
| 04:58.03 | meflin | K K K S P+s P+m P |
| 04:58.36 | meflin | 6 orgs and 8 years as org admin |
| 04:58.40 | meflin | I'm a newb |
| 04:59.14 | meflin | did you read the student guide about "am I good enough" |
| 04:59.56 | Vermie | meflin: No, actually |
| 04:59.57 | dberkholz | http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/ fyi |
| 05:01.23 | Vermie | Oh... |
| 05:01.34 | meflin | read that find an project that intersts you get involed and start writing your proposal |
| 05:02.03 | Vermie | What are you guys going to do? |
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| 05:03.13 | meflin | going to admin on |
| 05:04.15 | meflin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.54 | Vermie | meflin: I'm not exactly sure yet, but I was thinking Blender, OpenCV, or some bioinformatics one |
| 05:04.59 | dberkholz | going to sit back and enjoy my retirement from gsoc admin |
| 05:05.13 | meflin | dberkholz: lucky |
| 05:05.13 | dberkholz | passing the torch is such a good feeling =) |
| 05:05.38 | meflin | Vermie: tommorow I wont remember you .. unless you get involved and code it up |
| 05:06.05 | dberkholz | a lot of projects have "tests" of sorts - find a project that sounds interesting, check out their ideas page, and go from there |
| 05:06.27 | meflin | bugs fixes are common |
| 05:06.33 | dberkholz | as the manual suggests, being in a language you know on an OS you run is a good start |
| 05:06.58 | dberkholz | you need some serious ninja action to convince folks you can learn a new language well by then |
| 05:07.27 | dberkholz | i don't know if it says this, but the earlier you actually engage with that open-source community, the better |
| 05:07.32 | dberkholz | talk to their developers about your ideas |
| 05:07.41 | Vermie | Well, I mean I guess I can program |
| 05:07.56 | Vermie | And I am sort of involved in "open-source", but it's not in the language for Blender and OpenCV |
| 05:07.57 | meflin | the test is to go out and try |
| 05:08.16 | dberkholz | the projects have tags, filter by a lang you know |
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| 05:11.05 | Vermie | dberkholz: You can filter??? |
| 05:11.21 | meflin | you can use tags |
| 05:11.31 | meflin | find something fun and get involved |
| 05:11.50 | Zephman | Is there a way I can filter by Java only and not Java and Javascript? |
| 05:12.06 | meflin | probably not |
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| 05:13.31 | dberkholz | https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/?sp-search=java%20-javascript perhaps |
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| 05:15.46 | Zephman | Hmm, how hard would learning Android be if you consider yourself an intermediate in Java? |
| 05:18.40 | valorie | it is supposed to be a learning experience |
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| 05:25.09 | meflin | android is a lot like java |
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| 05:29.18 | po_ | hi |
| 05:29.27 | po_ | anyone there |
| 05:29.37 | po_ | quick questions |
| 05:29.55 | meflin | I am not here ... also just ask your question |
| 05:30.11 | Vermie | po_: What's up? |
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| 05:30.53 | po_ | is it mandatory to make an irc channel for mysely |
| 05:31.01 | meflin | no |
| 05:31.26 | po_ | what should i put in how to contact me part |
| 05:31.42 | meflin | depends on your org |
| 05:31.50 | valorie | email, telegram, your IRC nick |
| 05:31.51 | meflin | many ways of conumnication |
| 05:31.59 | valorie | who has their own channel? |
| 05:32.02 | valorie | never heard of that |
| 05:32.02 | meflin | phone |
| 05:32.25 | po_ | ok thanks |
| 05:32.45 | valorie | what an unusual question |
| 05:33.07 | meflin | you can regisgister your name on this network |
| 05:33.13 | meflin | see /nickserv |
| 05:34.02 | Zephman | I finally found 1 project that sounds interesting and seems within my knowledge scope after so many hours of searching. |
| 05:34.24 | meflin | go for it |
| 05:38.44 | Vermie | Zephman: What is it? |
| 05:40.25 | Zephman | Vermie: JBoss- Drools IoT (Drools + Pi4J) - Drools Demo into the Raspberry PI. I have a raspberry pi and this sounds interesting but I don't know anything about Drools. |
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| 05:45.33 | Vermie | Zephman: Huh? |
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| 05:46.05 | Zephman | Vermie: The organisation is JBoss. |
| 05:46.17 | Vermie | Zephman: Oh are you that guy in the blog? |
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| 05:47.07 | Zephman | Vermie: Nope. What blog? |
| 05:47.15 | Vermie | Zephman: http://salaboy.com/about/ |
| 05:48.25 | Zephman | Vermie: Nope, that's the mentor for the project I'm interested in. |
| 05:48.36 | Vermie | Zephman: Oh. |
| 05:48.45 | Vermie | Business Rules Management or something? |
| 05:49.59 | Zephman | Vermie: Yep. |
| 05:50.08 | Zephman | Vermie: Have you found a project you're interested in? |
| 05:50.25 | Vermie | Zephman: I dunno I'm thinking something with Blender OpenCV or bioinformatics |
| 05:50.28 | Vermie | maybe networking |
| 05:50.32 | Vermie | But I feel I'm not so great... |
| 05:51.18 | Zephman | Vermie: I thought about OpenCV as well but I don't know C. |
| 05:51.24 | valorie | Vermie: in KDE, what we look for is not just skill, but character, and even more: someone who gets us, and wants to stick around and grow the community |
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| 05:53.08 | Vermie | valorie: KDE? |
| 05:53.12 | valorie | not every org is the same |
| 05:53.23 | valorie | yes, kde.org |
| 05:53.43 | Vermie | valorie: What does it stand for... hm... |
| 05:54.03 | Vermie | oHHHHHHHH |
| 05:54.05 | Zephman | Valorie: Are the knowledge prerequisite strict in KDE? I'm interested in Minuet. |
| 05:54.09 | valorie | many years ago there was CDE |
| 05:54.21 | valorie | the guy who started it wanted K instead |
| 05:54.42 | valorie | Zephman: talk to the mentor and see if you have what it takes |
| 05:54.47 | valorie | Sandro is awesome |
| 05:55.38 | Vermie | valorie: Ohhhh KDE right |
| 05:55.53 | Vermie | Sorry I haven't done a manual setup of a desktop envir yet so I just use whatever I need or bash |
| 05:56.01 | Vermie | Must be insulting sorry :( |
| 05:56.13 | valorie | not at all |
| 05:56.22 | valorie | there are thousands of FOSS projects |
| 05:56.57 | valorie | also: it's software, not religion |
| 05:56.59 | Zephman | valorie: I'll do that now. |
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| 05:58.09 | Vermie | valorie: Eh |
| 05:58.13 | Vermie | I'm still wondering what to do |
| 05:58.21 | Vermie | I really don't have any internship opportunities lined up except for one |
| 05:58.28 | meflin | find a project and get involved |
| 05:58.47 | Vermie | meflin: I sort of am involved |
| 05:58.57 | Vermie | In fact, I have a solo project for work that's on my GitHub but eh |
| 05:59.20 | meflin | internship reqruiements are not our pormlem |
| 05:59.38 | Vermie | Well I know |
| 06:00.20 | meflin | be up front with your mentors |
| 06:00.24 | meflin | and do your best |
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| 09:05.06 | valorie | raveesh: no |
| 09:05.47 | valorie | although the org that failed the student may have reservations about accepting them again, depending on the reason for the failure |
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| 09:21.50 | raveesh | valorie, thanks |
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| 11:43.27 | libracious_ | can i apply for 2 projects within the same organiztion |
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| 11:49.04 | raveesh | libracious_, yes. |
| 11:49.55 | raveesh | you can submit atmost 5 applications. no limit on orgs |
| 11:53.33 | bshah | !next |
| 11:53.34 | gsocbot | bshah: "next" is 14 March 19:00 UTC Student application period opens. |
| 11:54.37 | bshah | !forget next |
| 11:54.37 | gsocbot | bshah: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:54.51 | bshah | !learn next as "25 March 19:00 UTC Student application deadline." |
| 11:54.52 | gsocbot | bshah: "next" is 25 March 19:00 UTC Student application deadline. |
| 11:54.56 | bshah | !next |
| 11:54.57 | gsocbot | bshah: "next" is 25 March 19:00 UTC Student application deadline. |
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| 11:58.52 | robbyoconnor | libracious_: I would (strongly) urge you to limit it to 2 proposals |
| 11:58.58 | ralph | Sir i have uploaded proof of enrollment but my step 2 i.e. proposal isn't opening |
| 11:59.00 | robbyoconnor | Quality suffers beyond that. |
| 11:59.43 | robbyoconnor | If your proposal is less than 3 pages long -- it's wayyyyy too short. |
| 12:00.23 | ralph | and how much time does it take to approve |
| 12:01.49 | bshah | ralph: you can submit proposal from organizations page |
| 12:02.06 | bshah | for that you don't need proof of enrollment approved |
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| 14:35.58 | devshekhawat | How to prepare purposel |
| 14:38.19 | linuxmodder | devshekhawat, have you chose an org or project yet? |
| 14:38.46 | linuxmodder | only have 6 days 5 hours left to apply |
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| 14:57.31 | CyberCaffine | Hello |
| 14:57.56 | CyberCaffine | Where can I find the format of proposal? |
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| 15:00.54 | devshekhawat | I have choosen org |
| 15:01.07 | devshekhawat | Like Joomla |
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| 15:25.42 | blast007 | CyberCaffine: have you talked to the organization? |
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| 15:40.58 | CyberCaffine | I want to work with "nmap.org" |
| 15:41.56 | CyberCaffine | So shall i send the proposal directly to organization or to google? |
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| 15:45.35 | itzmoys | Hi there |
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| 15:47.29 | Zephman | Hi |
| 15:47.29 | teepee | CyberCaffine: what the org requires, you have to ask them directly, you *must* have a proposal on the google site in the end, otherwise you can't do gsoc |
| 15:48.01 | teepee | CyberCaffine: so basically - check with the org but make sure not to wait for the last hour to upload to the google site |
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| 15:48.43 | CyberCaffine | thanks teepee :) |
| 15:49.38 | nightwalker95 | hey ,help needed,My mentor is away till 23rd :-( ,Any advise?? |
| 15:50.01 | nightwalker95 | *advice |
| 15:50.28 | teepee | well, prepare the proposal? |
| 15:50.42 | teepee | try getting feedback from other community members |
| 15:50.46 | nightwalker95 | I already did ,even he gave me feedback |
| 15:51.00 | nightwalker95 | it's a new project and small community |
| 15:51.23 | nightwalker95 | but I intended more feedback to improve my proposal |
| 15:51.24 | teepee | nice, those appreciate the support even more usually |
| 15:51.48 | linuxmodder | orgs can require an internal copy or just the google copy and MANY have additional prerequisites |
| 15:52.17 | linuxmodder | teepee, what org? |
| 15:52.20 | teepee | well, deadline is 25th, right, so make it as best as you can now and try to catch some additional feedback before the deadline |
| 15:52.39 | linuxmodder | nightwalker95, rather sorry teepee |
| 15:53.01 | nightwalker95 | i m just applying to 1 project |
| 15:53.18 | linuxmodder | is a mentor for 5 subs at his org |
| 15:53.41 | nightwalker95 | I see my chances of selection fading now , |
| 15:53.44 | blast007 | nightwalker95: there may also be a backup mentor or you could talk to the org admin |
| 15:53.44 | linuxmodder | kinda regretting that now given the higher applicaant we are gettign |
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| 15:54.15 | linuxmodder | nightwalker95, til 25th chances are all equal |
| 15:54.26 | nightwalker95 | I don't think I got a backup mentor |
| 15:54.37 | linuxmodder | you don't have a app into google by 1900 UTC march 25 you are sol |
| 15:54.46 | linuxmodder | nightwalker95, what org? |
| 15:54.52 | nightwalker95 | berkman |
| 15:57.59 | linuxmodder | try starting a thread there > https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lists/info/gsoc2016 |
| 15:58.16 | linuxmodder | its harvard ANY jd15.law.harvard.edu can help |
| 15:59.05 | nightwalker95 | thanks linuxmodder |
| 15:59.28 | linuxmodder | nightwalker95, but just a note to the wise they take NO prisoners |
| 15:59.29 | gevaerts | Do the best you can, and make sure you're available to answer questions after you submit |
| 15:59.37 | nightwalker95 | a lot ,Am seeing that page for 1st time: | |
| 15:59.54 | linuxmodder | I had the pleasure of having their help on a case recently |
| 16:00.26 | gevaerts | The 25th is the *submission* deadline, not the decision deadline |
| 16:00.40 | linuxmodder | also gsoc@cyber.law.harvard.edu |
| 16:01.06 | nightwalker95 | mailed that id gosc@cyber..... |
| 16:01.11 | nightwalker95 | already |
| 16:01.14 | gevaerts | And if the only person who can give feedback isn't there before the submission deadline, I'd hope the organisation as a whole takes that into account when comparing your proposal to those for other ideas |
| 16:01.58 | gevaerts | Still, you should be able to get feedback on more general things like proposal structure or amount of detail |
| 16:02.11 | teepee | away till 23rd is well before the deadline |
| 16:02.20 | nightwalker95 | naa we were getting very close to the code |
| 16:03.39 | nightwalker95 | the structure and all was fine but we were really hitting the mark ,it was hit and trial , exchanged mail every next day |
| 16:06.12 | gevaerts | In that case, this is your chance to improve your odds by showing that you really can work on your own if needed :) |
| 16:06.30 | gevaerts | It's not a setback, it's an opportunity! |
| 16:07.16 | nightwalker95 | that is very motivating |
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| 16:09.36 | nightwalker95 | thanks everyone |
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| 16:22.25 | itzmoys | guys, do you consider a good idea to participate in this GSoC if you have a full time job and you're also a student ? |
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| 16:23.04 | teepee | just in general: no |
| 16:23.53 | teepee | gsoc is supposed to be 40h a week, combinding that with a normal full time job seems not possible |
| 16:24.28 | teepee | of cause there might be special cases, like getting off for most of that time frame or something... |
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| 16:27.04 | itzmoys | teepee, do you know if organizations could accept a 20h a week developer ? |
| 16:27.36 | teepee | no idea, I would not. it might be also against the official rules anyway |
| 16:27.38 | itzmoys | I mean, i currently have a job and im a student, but sometimes i code in my free time |
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| 16:28.01 | teepee | well, you can do that just fine without gsoc and it's time restrictions |
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| 16:28.48 | teepee | I'm sure pretty much all orgs will welcome someone even doing just a couple of hours a week |
| 16:32.11 | linuxmodder | itzmoys, most won't |
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| 16:33.03 | linuxmodder | they are all willing to work with solid applicants but they all have hard mins |
| 16:33.16 | linuxmodder | some set internally others by google |
| 16:35.05 | meflin | 40hours a week load is the google set point |
| 16:35.25 | meflin | now outside of gsoc we welcome all kinds of workloads |
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| 16:36.30 | nightwalker95 | I think selection is just one part of gsoc and to successfully complete gsoc you need to pass your midterm and endterm evaluation too |
| 16:36.55 | meflin | that is so |
| 16:37.56 | nightwalker95 | itzmoys: you might get selected but successful completion of program requires you devote your full time and finish whatever you mentioned in your proposal |
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| 16:42.36 | itzmoys | thanks for all the comments |
| 16:43.48 | itzmoys | i was reading the GSoC rules and I didn't find anything about "40 hrs/week" |
| 16:44.09 | itzmoys | where did you guys read about the 40 hours a week workload ? |
| 16:44.33 | nightwalker95 | flossmanual |
| 16:44.52 | nightwalker95 | http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/what-is-google-summer-of-code/ |
| 16:45.02 | redHatruby | how do you contact an organization for GSoC? I want to ask copy left games a question but can't contact info |
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| 16:45.23 | nightwalker95 | mail or IRC |
| 16:46.00 | nightwalker95 | keep looking you will find one , work harder |
| 16:47.37 | itzmoys | well, it looks like i won't be participating in GSoC because i already have a full time job + im currently a student |
| 16:47.40 | itzmoys | "GSoC is a job and needs an investment of about 40 hours a week" |
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| 16:48.14 | gevaerts | redHatruby: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5133748202897408/ does show contact info for me |
| 16:49.15 | redHatruby | thanks! |
| 16:50.17 | itzmoys | thanks a lot for the info, guys! |
| 16:50.38 | nightwalker95 | just help someone else in his need |
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| 17:11.31 | Zephman | Anyone else have a trouble creating a timeline for their project? |
| 17:11.31 | Zephman | proposal* |
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| 17:11.32 | xndr | you can refer to the proposal examples for guidance ... |
| 17:11.32 | xndr | http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/proposal-example-1/ |
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| 17:16.18 | Ninilac | Hey I changed my google account e-mail to have a G-mail one and now I can't access my GSoC account |
| 17:16.25 | Ninilac | can someone help me? |
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| 17:22.01 | Ninilac | is anyone here? |
| 17:22.10 | thiago | no |
| 17:22.12 | Zephman | What's the purpose of the abstract mainly? |
| 17:22.44 | Ninilac | great answer thiago, you're fired :P |
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| 17:27.28 | Ash_ | HI |
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| 17:33.40 | cbrewster | Does the abstract need to be on the google doc proposal, or is that typed up later in the submission process? |
| 17:38.46 | Zephman | On a related question, can I copy my introduction from my google doc into the abstract? |
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| 17:41.12 | denix56 | if I send the incorrect proof of enrollment I can resend it after 25 march? |
| 17:43.00 | Zephman | Do you code during the evaluation period? |
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| 17:44.00 | teepee | Zephman: it's not required by gsoc rules, but most orgs expect at least a small patch to see you got the code base and know how to work with it |
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| 17:44.33 | Zephman | teepee: I mean during the period when you and the mentor submit evaluations (mid-term) |
| 17:44.46 | denix56 | no, I mean the proof that I study in the university |
| 17:46.12 | teepee | Zephman: mid-term evaluation is simply filling out a short web form (well, at least it was in the past years) |
| 17:46.37 | teepee | Zephman: so that's like 10 minutes or so :) |
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