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| 00:18.15 | Freso | Oh, btw. http://google-opensource.blogspot.dk/2015/03/critiquebrainz-and-rocking-google.html is the project/student I mentioned some days ago. |
| 00:19.38 | Freso | Robert_S: ^ |
| 00:19.57 | Freso | (I can't remember who the other one was involved in the discussion.) |
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| 00:57.29 | mangotang | Hi Everybody |
| 00:58.02 | mangotang | I am new to Open source developement but have experience in programming |
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| 01:00.21 | mangotang | I know that its not a requirement, but is having open source experience a pesudo requirement for GSoC since I am inclined to think that there are a lot of developers with good exp in open source |
| 01:00.56 | olly | mangotang: probably the majority of students have no prior experience |
| 01:01.10 | olly | at least of developing it - most people use open source software, even if they aren't aware of it |
| 01:01.14 | pickfire | mangotang: I am a bit different, I have experience with open source development but isn't really good at programming. |
| 01:01.16 | mangotang | i will appriciate it if someone can comment on my assumption |
| 01:03.41 | mangotang | oh thanks! I was a little skeptic since after reading some of the organizations requirements, projects of whom i really liked, but needed atleast some contribution to their codebase |
| 01:05.24 | mangotang | i guess they just want to confirm that students understand their software |
| 01:06.39 | meflin | mangotang: if you are a student you sure will have xp ;) |
| 01:07.01 | meflin | bug fixes can be simple ... read up |
| 01:07.45 | mangotang | meflin: Using open source, yes. Developing open source, not much (read none) :) |
| 01:08.04 | meflin | that is why we are here tho ... to fix that ;) |
| 01:08.37 | olly | mangotang: many orgs expect a contribution *as part of the application process* |
| 01:08.45 | meflin | ie a bug fix |
| 01:08.50 | gevaerts | Organisations usually expect some contributions, yes, but not more than you can reasonably achieve over the next few weeks |
| 01:09.00 | olly | it shows you can check out and build the code, and find your way around it well enough to achieve something |
| 01:09.25 | olly | but they should be willing to assist you in doing that |
| 01:10.06 | olly | the interactions involved are often the most useful thing |
| 01:11.51 | mangotang | olly: sure that, I will definetly try my best then to get to work with the project I share my interest with, hopefully by the time they select students, i will be able to fix some little bug(s) |
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| 06:47.11 | libracious_ | does any1 know how many proposal we can submit? |
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| 06:59.13 | valorie | !faq | libracious_ |
| 06:59.13 | gsocbot | libracious_: "faq" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq |
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| 08:28.23 | kblin | morning folks |
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| 08:31.50 | kblin | whoa, that's a new low |
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| 08:32.54 | kblin | that's the first time I see someone faking an email from the mentoring org telling prospective students that their project of interest was cancelled |
| 08:33.08 | kblin | way to populate my banlist |
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| 08:52.13 | olly | kblin: from another student? |
| 08:52.18 | olly | or an overzealous mentor? |
| 08:54.30 | kblin | olly: doesn't look like a mentor to me |
| 08:54.44 | kblin | nobody who's signed up for my org, at least |
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| 10:12.53 | Matthieu__ | Hi there, |
| 10:13.07 | Matthieu__ | it seems that http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/ is down at the moment |
| 10:13.29 | Matthieu__ | I can't see how to contact the webmasters. Any idea ? |
| 10:13.46 | Matthieu__ | (this page is linked from https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/resources/manual#student_manual) |
| 10:16.54 | kblin | !studentguide |
| 10:16.54 | gsocbot | kblin: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 10:17.05 | kblin | indeedio |
| 10:17.15 | kblin | !support | Matthieu__ |
| 10:17.15 | gsocbot | Matthieu__: "support" is If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 10:17.25 | kblin | maybe write the gsoc team about this |
| 10:18.12 | Matthieu__ | right, I'll send them an email. Cheers ! |
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| 10:19.25 | kblin | thanks for the heads up :) |
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| 10:20.14 | tbr | heh, we had that last year too. interesting |
| 10:20.25 | tbr | well, archive.org should have it |
| 10:21.06 | kblin | true |
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| 10:22.37 | Matthieu__ | Yep, it's available on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20150929132959/http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/what-is-google-summer-of-code/ |
| 10:23.18 | Matthieu__ | 29th Sept 2015. I hope the content hasn't changed much |
| 10:24.28 | kblin | I doubt it |
| 10:25.02 | kblin | this is very general advice, it's very unlikely to go out of date |
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| 10:33.41 | nicolassebrecht | kblin: this faking email story is serious? |
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| 10:44.12 | kblin | nicolassebrecht: yes |
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| 10:52.25 | nicolassebrecht | kblin: is it faked in a wiki? |
| 10:53.44 | nicolassebrecht | It sounds like a war between people extended to areas where it should not. |
| 10:53.52 | kblin | no, it basically just said "there's been a change, this project will be cancelled, we'll update the ideas page soon" |
| 10:54.11 | olly | presumably an attempt to eliminate "the competition" |
| 10:54.19 | kblin | followed by some drama in my inbox |
| 10:54.23 | olly | and a rather naive one |
| 10:54.27 | kblin | yeah |
| 10:54.59 | kblin | I certainly won't be accepting any student with that email address |
| 10:57.30 | kblin | I mean, I undestand how students can get very competitive about GSoC |
| 10:57.53 | kblin | but there's a line, and it has been crossed |
| 10:58.26 | nicolassebrecht | OMG. I wonder how any student could be given write access to the GSoC ideas page... |
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| 10:58.44 | nicolassebrecht | Sounds not well thought from the mentors/admin. |
| 10:59.15 | kblin | hm? no ideas page was harmed in the process |
| 10:59.23 | olly | though most are on wikis |
| 11:00.19 | olly | but that also means they're monitored against attacks from spammers so someone will notice |
| 11:01.47 | nicolassebrecht | Heh, I certainly don't the point at all, then. |
| 11:02.00 | nicolassebrecht | +get |
| 11:03.27 | olly | presumably the sender thought just the email would put off other applicants |
| 11:03.56 | nicolassebrecht | Ah, by mail. Sending false statements... OK! |
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| 11:07.09 | nicolassebrecht | I did a very little mistake in a chat exchange recently. Then sent "My mistake, sorry". |
| 11:07.23 | nicolassebrecht | Student response: "you please don't say sorry. It doesn't look good when you say sorry." |
| 11:07.50 | nicolassebrecht | :-) |
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| 11:10.39 | nicolassebrecht | I claim the guides must be updated. :D |
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| 11:37.38 | trisha025 | I have a query |
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| 11:39.12 | kblin | then please ask, I only perform my famous mind-reading trick on tuesdays :) |
| 11:40.15 | trisha025 | How do I select the organization? |
| 11:40.37 | Valodim | still a mind-reading question |
| 11:41.05 | kblin | trisha025: you check out https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/ and see which of the ~180 orgs you like |
| 11:41.29 | trisha025 | I'm a beginner.. that's why need some help |
| 11:41.44 | olly | you can search on tags which describe the orgs |
| 11:42.20 | trisha025 | how should i communicate ? |
| 11:42.35 | Valodim | did you read the FAQ? |
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| 11:43.07 | trisha025 | reading |
| 11:44.27 | trisha025 | student manual is not loading |
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| 11:47.30 | kblin | yeah, readthedocs seems to have server issues |
| 11:47.39 | kblin | https://web.archive.org/web/20150929132959/http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/what-is-google-summer-of-code/ |
| 11:48.06 | olly | flossmanuals, not readthedocs |
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| 11:50.00 | kblin | er, that thing |
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| 13:37.12 | nicolassebrecht | the web archive has nothing but the front page. |
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| 13:39.05 | nyubee | Hey, anyone around? |
| 13:39.27 | nicolassebrecht | http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/what-is-google-summer-of-code/ is back |
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| 13:39.54 | nyubee | What happens if I apply to two organizations? |
| 13:40.37 | Valodim | nothing special |
| 13:40.44 | Valodim | but in the end, you can only get picked by one |
| 13:41.10 | Valodim | if both accept a proposal of yours, the orgs will coordinate and only one will keep you |
| 13:41.35 | nyubee | So it will be upon the organizations to decide? |
| 13:41.38 | Valodim | yes |
| 13:41.47 | nyubee | Valodim: Thanks. |
| 13:41.47 | nyubee | :)] |
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| 13:42.08 | nyubee | gives Valodim a cookie. |
| 13:42.25 | Valodim | it is assumed that you wouldn't send a proposal to an org if you wouldn't want to be accepted by them, so the student isn't usually involved in the deduplication process |
| 13:42.29 | Valodim | yw |
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| 14:30.07 | DGASAU | Hello! |
| 14:30.25 | DGASAU | It looks like interface has changed again, and I can't find which way I am to apply as mentor. |
| 14:30.52 | DGASAU | Could anyone give a reference? |
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| 14:31.51 | Valodim | you do not apply as a mentor, you are invited by an admin |
| 14:32.54 | DGASAU | Hm! |
| 14:32.58 | DGASAU | Alright. |
| 14:33.00 | DGASAU | Thanks! |
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| 14:53.05 | justharshal | Hello, everyone I've been interested in GSOC for a long time, but now that the organizations/ideas list has been announced, i feel a lack of confidence. I know Python, HTML, CSS, JS, pretty well. Now i'm also learning Ruby and Node. What would you recommend i do? (The deadline is closing in) |
| 14:55.40 | Valodim | find an org you are interested in, approach them, fix bugs, make pull requests, pick a task, write a kickass proposal, have a nice summer of code |
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| 15:11.03 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: may I ask why you feel a lack of confidence? |
| 15:12.17 | Freso | Valodim: There's also !mentor :) |
| 15:12.19 | Freso | !mentor |
| 15:12.19 | gsocbot | Freso: "mentor" is Mentors no longer need to apply. Ask one of your organisation admins to invite you. |
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| 15:12.56 | Valodim | Freso: neat |
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| 15:19.32 | justharshal | nicolassebrecht: I've worked on small scale projects before not code that millions of people use. |
| 15:19.51 | Freso | Valodim: I thought so. :) |
| 15:19.53 | justharshal | nicolassebrecht: hence the lack of confidence |
| 15:20.14 | Freso | justharshal: Just dig in a get started. |
| 15:20.17 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: not all projects have millions of users. |
| 15:20.17 | Freso | *and |
| 15:20.57 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: And that's why you should talk to mentors. |
| 15:21.28 | justharshal | nicolassebrecht: Just directly irc, email or tweet them? Without anything? |
| 15:21.42 | nicolassebrecht | They will help you how to get started in the community if you ask them. |
| 15:21.53 | justharshal | nicolassebrecht: OK |
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| 15:22.05 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: the best for a start is by mail or IRC. |
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| 15:22.12 | abshake | hello |
| 15:22.43 | justharshal | Tell me about you. Are you a student or mentor? What language and organisation? |
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| 15:22.58 | justharshal | nicolassebrecht: Ok. Irc or email then. |
| 15:23.08 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: just say: "Hi I'm..., I'm studiying ..., I know... , I'm interested by ..., How to make a kickass start?" |
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| 15:23.18 | Darrel_ | :d: |
| 15:24.05 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: I'm a mentor. |
| 15:24.35 | justharshal | nicolassebrecht: I guessed. :) |
| 15:24.47 | justharshal | nicolassebrecht: Which project? |
| 15:24.51 | Manishearth | justharshal: don't worry about messing up things millions of people use |
| 15:24.58 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: And don't be afraid to ask "What do you expect from me, next?" |
| 15:25.00 | Manishearth | the mentor's there to help you not do that |
| 15:25.04 | Manishearth | ampong other things :) |
| 15:25.18 | Manishearth | and yeah, don't be afraid to ask questions. of any kind. |
| 15:25.20 | nicolassebrecht | yes, Manishearth is plain right. |
| 15:25.59 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: Is very hard for a gsoc student to break code used by thousands of users... :-D |
| 15:26.10 | nicolassebrecht | I mean, VERY VERY HARD. |
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| 15:26.42 | Manishearth | heh |
| 15:26.50 | justharshal | manishearth: I know bad code won't end up in main repos. |
| 15:27.03 | Manishearth | it's not like that fear of breaking things goes away |
| 15:27.13 | Manishearth | even after coding in open source for years |
| 15:27.21 | Manishearth | but you realize that things liek code review stop it from happening |
| 15:27.42 | darnir | Code will probably go through peer review and be fixed before it goes onto master. |
| 15:27.45 | Manishearth | right |
| 15:27.47 | Manishearth | and tests |
| 15:27.49 | Manishearth | and everything |
| 15:27.53 | nicolassebrecht | Yeah, code review is what I like most. |
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| 15:28.17 | darnir | And even after years, I still sometimes commit code that breaks a lot of stuff. You learn from it, write new tests and fix it. |
| 15:29.16 | justharshal | I know about tests and reviews guys. It's still a little scary. |
| 15:29.26 | nicolassebrecht | Isn't breaks the fondamental essence of patches? |
| 15:29.46 | nicolassebrecht | I thought so. :D |
| 15:30.00 | justharshal | nicolassebrecht: You didn't tell me which org you're from |
| 15:30.07 | Freso | Is it important? |
| 15:30.08 | Manishearth | darnir: heh, me too |
| 15:30.13 | Manishearth | I once broke a Bugzilla release |
| 15:30.41 | Manishearth | (it was a security fix, so it was hidden until the release -- so it didn't get tested much in a beta or whatever) |
| 15:31.15 | Manishearth | justharshal: it's no biggie if you do. everyone makes mistakes. I've rarely seen developers get flak for such mistakes |
| 15:31.16 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: request help to make you environment right if you need, too. |
| 15:31.49 | nicolassebrecht | Manishearth: remembers me what I wrote in my Ideas Page. |
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| 15:32.23 | nicolassebrecht | "You'll make mistakes. That's not the end. I did BIG mistakes myself." |
| 15:32.45 | Manishearth | nice |
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| 15:33.46 | justharshal | Thanks for the help guys. Let me get started and i'll drop back here if i need help. |
| 15:33.57 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: Good luck! |
| 15:34.06 | nicolassebrecht | justharshal: That's what we like to hear. :-) |
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| 18:12.35 | aspock | hey |
| 18:13.12 | aspock | Do you still accept org. for Google code in ? |
| 18:26.38 | valorie | !timeline | aspock |
| 18:26.38 | gsocbot | aspock: "timeline" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 18:26.43 | valorie | in short: no |
| 18:27.05 | valorie | GCi is long over, and too late for orgs to apply for GSoC as well |
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| 18:30.53 | aspock | Okay thanks for the info valorie |
| 18:31.20 | valorie | yw |
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| 18:36.36 | rave | Hi there |
| 18:36.44 | rave | anybody from opencv community |
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| 18:37.29 | valorie | possibly better to use alis to search for them on freenode |
| 18:37.46 | valorie | as in: /msg alis list *opencv* |
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| 18:39.14 | rave | i mean anybody participating in opencv in gsoc? |
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| 18:39.34 | Techbits | hi |
| 18:40.07 | OrkoHunter | @Techbits Hi |
| 18:40.22 | blast007 | rave: why not look in/ask in their channel? |
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| 18:40.33 | rave | which channel ? |
| 18:40.40 | blast007 | rave: there are contact details on each organization for a reason :) |
| 18:41.15 | rave | hmm ok , but I thought all the gsoc guys might be here :P |
| 18:41.18 | blast007 | rave: go to the organizations page, search for opencv, click on them, click on learn more, and then you'll have contact information |
| 18:41.40 | rave | ok , what is this channel for in general ? |
| 18:41.40 | Techbits | i think opencv dont have an official irc channel |
| 18:41.58 | blast007 | !anyone |
| 18:41.59 | gsocbot | blast007: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/ |
| 18:42.06 | blast007 | they certainly do... |
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| 18:46.37 | ambivalentcase | I wondering if I am eligible to participate in GSoC if i'm working and doing a PhD? |
| 18:48.07 | PulkoMandy | rave: this channel is for general non-project-specific talk about google summer of code and code-in |
| 18:51.18 | gevaerts | ambivalentcase: I haven't checked for new rules for this year, but I think you'd be eligible (assuming all other criteria are met). However, working, doing a PhD, *and* gsoc, in a single life? |
| 18:51.40 | valorie | I wouldn't accept such a student |
| 18:51.51 | valorie | gsoc is a full-time job |
| 18:53.04 | ambivalentcase | My thesis overlaps with the project propsed, so I get hooked on it. |
| 19:01.18 | valorie | in that case, explain everything thoroughly to your thesis supervisor and mentor |
| 19:01.28 | valorie | and perhaps they can come to an agreement |
| 19:01.32 | Ch3ck_ | Well ambivalentcase I've know PhD students who did GSoC successfully |
| 19:01.48 | valorie | in fact, your supervisor could even be a backup mentor |
| 19:01.48 | Ch3ck_ | I don't think there's a big deal with that if you could spare 40 hours ? ;-) |
| 19:01.53 | valorie | we've had that before |
| 19:02.01 | valorie | Ch3ck_: sleep is necessary! |
| 19:02.05 | valorie | so is a social life |
| 19:02.23 | Ch3ck_ | valorie, Nerds are Nerds, you can't have both :-) |
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| 19:04.02 | valorie | even nerds play games |
| 19:07.28 | Ch3ck_ | Yeah |
| 19:10.10 | aghisla | well I can say that I graduated while doing GSoC and I simply set my thesis aside until the end of GSoC. definitely not optimal. (but I greatly enjoyed coding!) |
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| 19:19.04 | vient | hello! |
| 19:19.24 | vient | i've question about USA embargoes |
| 19:20.09 | vient | are students from Russia eligible or not? |
| 19:21.21 | olly | vient: isn't there a list of countries in the FAQ? |
| 19:22.07 | teepee | hmm, the faq points to the rules which have exactly the same information |
| 19:22.22 | vient | yes, i didn't find any list |
| 19:22.35 | olly | oh, that's not helpful - there used to be a list |
| 19:22.49 | teepee | yep, I remember that too |
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| 19:22.53 | olly | this isn't at all official, but I'm fairly sure Russia was OK in past years |
| 19:23.04 | vient | so I suppose now that embargoes are those countries listed on the wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargoes#Countries |
| 19:23.05 | olly | but email the contact address to clarify |
| 19:23.17 | olly | well, wikipedia isn't canonical either |
| 19:24.34 | olly | actually the rules do rather imply russia is OK |
| 19:24.36 | Robert_S | I *think* Russia is fine for participation. To be 100% sure, you should email the support address. |
| 19:24.43 | teepee | and https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/embargoed_countries/ lists some export restrictions for russia |
| 19:24.59 | olly | it's one of the countries where you won't get a t-shirt etc |
| 19:25.21 | olly | which wouldn't make a lot of sense to list if it was one you couldn't take part from |
| 19:25.42 | gevaerts | I think that if Russia had been added to the "no trade at all" list, we'd have heard about it |
| 19:25.45 | teepee | while also not offical, last years list is at https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
| 19:26.53 | vient | ok but where did you find info about t-shirt? I didn't see anything special about Russia |
| 19:27.04 | Robert_S | vient: search the rules for "restricted" |
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| 19:27.46 | vient | thanks! |
| 19:27.57 | teepee | vient: but that's "just" the offical rule from google, so if your mentor (or someone else) is willing to forward the t-shirt it might still be possible |
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| 19:28.27 | teepee | those restrictions are mostly due to official packages with google logo taken hostage |
| 19:28.45 | Robert_S | teepee: it is also actually problematic to send to some countries. |
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| 19:28.54 | gevaerts | Yes, that rule is mostly about "historically we've had a lot of trouble getting stuff there, so we stopped trying" AFAIU |
| 19:29.21 | gevaerts | Which means that also historically if you can provide a shipping address elsewhere, that's been accepted |
| 19:29.42 | gevaerts | isn't one of the google people, so he won't promise *anything* |
| 19:30.22 | vient | it's interesting because google successfully sends for example google code jam t-shirts to Russia |
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| 19:32.16 | gevaerts | Different people with different experiences I guess. Google is not a small company |
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| 20:43.21 | Babaum | Hi all... I am considering whether to participate to the Google Summer of Code program. |
| 20:43.24 | Babaum | This is my last year of three-year degree on Computer Engineering, and in the period in which takes place the Google Summer of Code program I will have some exams, internship and I should start writing my final work, but I also would like to participate to GSoC. Do you think that I could find a project that fits my time needs? |
| 20:44.32 | teepee | Babaum: that does not sound like there's much time left for doing actual GSoC work |
| 20:44.46 | teepee | how many hours a week would you have |
| 20:45.17 | Babaum | 8/10 I think |
| 20:45.27 | Babaum | hours free |
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| 20:46.58 | teepee | I guess that's not enough by far |
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| 20:48.00 | Robert_S | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#how_much_time_does_gsoc_participation_take |
| 20:48.04 | olly | an internship and gsoc is never a good combination |
| 20:48.33 | teepee | yep, a couple of day overlap would be managable, doing both in parallel is not going to work |
| 20:48.35 | olly | one inevitably has to give, and IME it's always gsoc that suffers |
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| 20:56.27 | Babaum | mmh :/ ok... thank you anyway :) |
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| 22:55.14 | Guest87898 | i see neither anywhere |
| 22:55.19 | Guest87898 | and im getting mad |
| 22:55.37 | Guest87898 | hello????? |
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| 22:55.58 | Guest87898 | hj |
| 22:55.58 | Guest87898 | gftrtrhj |
| 22:55.59 | Guest87898 | gfhjtfrjy |
| 22:56.24 | meflin | what are you trying to do? |
| 22:56.35 | Guest87898 | click the "I agree to this Participant Agreement |
| 22:56.42 | Guest87898 | but i see no where |
| 22:56.48 | Guest87898 | keep sending me in circles |
| 22:56.49 | meflin | as a student? |
| 22:56.53 | Guest87898 | yes |
| 22:57.03 | meflin | !timeline |
| 22:57.03 | gsocbot | meflin: "timeline" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 22:57.07 | meflin | its not time yet |
| 22:57.21 | Guest87898 | nope not there either |
| 22:57.40 | Guest87898 | oh not open |
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| 22:57.57 | Guest87898 | then why did my professor send me a week earily |
| 22:58.05 | meflin | ask them |
| 22:58.06 | olly | so you can start talking to orgs |
| 22:58.28 | gevaerts | Getting impatient after waiting for *eighteen* seconds for an answer on irc is not going to end well |
| 22:58.29 | olly | if you wait until student application open, there will be a lot more students around |
| 22:58.48 | olly | if you talk to them now, they aren't as busy and you'll likely get more attention |
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| 22:59.03 | olly | plus you have more time to work on a proposal if you start now |
| 22:59.05 | Guest87898 | ever think someone having a bad day |
| 22:59.15 | Guest87898 | that site didn't make that totally clear |
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