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| 08:01.49 | gsoc800 | I'm sorry I ruined ur fun I and hi Robert u fucking wanna be punk can't believe u hacked my phone. this is a joke |
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| 08:07.34 | kblin | gsoc800: watch your language, please |
| 08:07.56 | kremlin | this is why web clients are a poor idea |
| 08:10.17 | Chandramani31 | any previous students who participated in GSOC earlier here? |
| 08:10.54 | kremlin | Chandramani31: yo |
| 08:11.00 | kremlin | last two years, i've done gsoc |
| 08:11.30 | seamlik | I did last year |
| 08:11.38 | seamlik | Any questions? |
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| 08:12.04 | shubhamSurana94 | yeah...how to write a good proposal so they can accept you |
| 08:12.21 | shubhamSurana94 | and how much coding skills are required |
| 08:12.34 | shubhamSurana94 | seamlik ? |
| 08:12.51 | kremlin | you need at least decent skill in writing code. you shouldn't go in totally fresh |
| 08:13.09 | kremlin | for the proposal, just follow whatever guideline the org gives you (if they do) and keep everything *concise* |
| 08:13.11 | Chandramani31 | yes Sir ,how much your coding language and skills matter?? |
| 08:13.39 | kremlin | don't make it look like you didn't put in effort because its short, but don't waste people's time with lengthy monologues |
| 08:13.47 | seamlik | Tips: you can see the proposal for Debian students, they are all in Debian's wiki |
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| 08:13.57 | kremlin | well, considering this is a program wherein you are paid to write code, i would say they matter quite a bit |
| 08:13.58 | Chandramani31 | proposal are like SRS or a part of it? |
| 08:14.09 | kremlin | SRS? |
| 08:14.26 | Chandramani31 | Software Requirement Specification |
| 08:14.41 | aj007 | No |
| 08:14.54 | seamlik | The time schedule is important |
| 08:15.21 | Chandramani31 | okay ,proposals can be sent to multiple orgs?? |
| 08:15.29 | seamlik | You can draft a very simple and rough schedule, that helps |
| 08:15.47 | Chandramani31 | and can one apply for different projects under a same org?? |
| 08:15.55 | seamlik | Yes |
| 08:16.11 | Chandramani31 | for bot the the questions?? |
| 08:16.17 | Chandramani31 | both* |
| 08:16.19 | seamlik | Yup |
| 08:17.12 | seamlik | The number of projects you are applying doesn't matter |
| 08:17.36 | Chandramani31 | okay thanks ,one more question ,how to come under the views of orgs?? |
| 08:17.56 | Chandramani31 | i mean like how to increase your chances for getting selected |
| 08:19.10 | seamlik | You should ping the mentor of your project via IRC or email |
| 08:19.23 | seamlik | Let him/her notice you |
| 08:20.09 | seamlik | If he replies you, you can interact with him more often |
| 08:20.13 | valorie | fix bugs |
| 08:20.26 | shubhamSurana94 | ping here means msging them..?? i guess :P |
| 08:20.27 | valorie | that gets you noticed, and appreciated |
| 08:20.27 | seamlik | Or file bugs |
| 08:20.49 | Chandramani31 | okay thank you for your advice |
| 08:20.53 | valorie | and please don't assume that they are all male |
| 08:20.58 | Chandramani31 | and time |
| 08:21.04 | shubhamSurana94 | ok |
| 08:21.09 | seamlik | Lol |
| 08:21.11 | shubhamSurana94 | that's a great help |
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| 08:21.35 | seamlik | No offense, I just didn't want to type ;) |
| 08:21.47 | shubhamSurana94 | i am kinda new on irc |
| 08:22.10 | Chandramani31 | does time zone matters?? |
| 08:22.17 | valorie | no |
| 08:22.31 | valorie | well, sometimes it's hard to find people awake in irc |
| 08:22.36 | shubhamSurana94 | hey Chandramani31 u indian?? |
| 08:22.42 | Chandramani31 | yeah |
| 08:22.42 | Chandramani31 | yaa |
| 08:22.43 | valorie | which is MLs are good |
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| 08:22.48 | shubhamSurana94 | me too |
| 08:22.58 | shubhamSurana94 | jai hind buddy |
| 08:23.05 | shubhamSurana94 | ;) |
| 08:23.17 | shubhamSurana94 | ml? |
| 08:23.21 | shubhamSurana94 | ML? |
| 08:23.27 | valorie | mail list |
| 08:23.33 | shubhamSurana94 | ok |
| 08:23.50 | Chandramani31 | <valorie>mail list and irc are the only ways to interact with org? |
| 08:24.39 | valorie | some use forums, some Telegram, some use all of them |
| 08:24.45 | valorie | even some use slack |
| 08:25.22 | Chandramani31 | what is slack? |
| 08:25.25 | valorie | each org will tell you how to contact them in their profile |
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| 08:25.45 | Chandramani31 | okay what is the right time to communicate with orgs?? |
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| 08:26.02 | valorie | don't worry about it -- if your chosen org uses slack, they will tell you how to connect |
| 08:26.12 | kremlin | Chandramani31: you should be looking at the calander and FAQ and stuff |
| 08:26.18 | valorie | the important part is to choose an org and get involved |
| 08:26.34 | shubhamSurana94 | 15-30 march |
| 08:26.41 | valorie | !faq |
| 08:26.42 | gsocbot | valorie: "faq" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq |
| 08:26.45 | shubhamSurana94 | applying date this year |
| 08:26.49 | valorie | !studentguide |
| 08:26.50 | gsocbot | valorie: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 08:26.54 | Chandramani31 | what is the policy to chose any org? |
| 08:26.58 | valorie | read 'em ^^^ |
| 08:27.08 | valorie | choose one you love and want to work with |
| 08:27.19 | shubhamSurana94 | i know ccna security level networking |
| 08:27.32 | Chandramani31 | okay |
| 08:27.32 | shubhamSurana94 | can i gt any project |
| 08:27.36 | valorie | foss is about doing what you love |
| 08:28.16 | shubhamSurana94 | i didnt get certi;s coz my seniors did't insist |
| 08:28.22 | shubhamSurana94 | i hope i get one |
| 08:28.40 | shubhamSurana94 | foss u say..? |
| 08:29.01 | Chandramani31 | free open online source |
| 08:29.01 | shubhamSurana94 | my coding skills are not that good... |
| 08:29.33 | shubhamSurana94 | ok |
| 08:29.42 | Chandramani31 | sorry its free and open-source software |
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| 08:30.57 | valorie | in KDE at least, the important part is the student hirself |
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| 08:31.19 | valorie | we want people who will become part of the community, long-term |
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| 08:33.28 | kremlin | yeah, it is not so much that you produce a working model at the end of gsoc, but that you put forth the effort and learn and become involved |
| 08:33.47 | kremlin | but don't take that as an excuse to show up empty handed in august |
| 08:34.22 | valorie | there certainly must be a completed project, or it is by definition a fail |
| 08:34.40 | kremlin | there has to be *someething* |
| 08:34.51 | kremlin | different orgs have different tolerances |
| 08:35.38 | valorie | sure, I'm looking at it from the POV of kde |
| 08:35.53 | kremlin | ah, ok |
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| 08:41.39 | kblin | morning folks |
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| 08:43.32 | Mikasou | good morning |
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| 08:54.07 | kblin | valorie: I think this is the first time I see "hirself" used as a gender-neutral reflexive pronoun. elegant :) |
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| 09:16.29 | valorie | glad you like, kblin |
| 09:16.35 | valorie | useful in IRC |
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| 12:56.42 | SandCastleKid | Hello people |
| 12:56.59 | SandCastleKid | Are there any iOS related organizations participating in GSoC this year? |
| 12:57.17 | Valodim | I would assume there's a tag for that |
| 12:58.13 | SandCastleKid | Valodim: Can you tell me which one? |
| 13:00.23 | CuriousLearner | SandCastleKid, You can search that from the GSoC website :) |
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| 13:48.54 | Demoncross | I cannot understand how I am supposed to apply to mentors. Can someone help me? |
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| 13:50.15 | darnir | Demoncross: Have you read the FAQ and Student Guide? |
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| 13:50.30 | gsocbot | Demoncross: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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| 14:06.34 | Demoncross | Thanks. I went through the faq and student guide. According to the GSOC timeline upto 13th March, would-be student participants have to discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations. Where will we discuss the application ideas? |
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| 14:08.46 | Demoncross | I mean what exactly are we supposed to do over this period> |
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| 14:15.53 | pq | Demoncross, you contact the people and start talking about what you'd want to do, so that you can write an excellent application targeted exactly to the right project, topics and mentors. |
| 14:16.46 | pq | projects have put up their contact details somewhere, surely linked from their organization page in the GSoC web site. |
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| 14:54.56 | kblin | !studentguide |
| 14:54.56 | gsocbot | kblin: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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| 16:03.32 | downey | has anyone heard yet about the process for slot allocation this year? |
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| 16:19.53 | Mikasou | nope what is it? |
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| 18:26.52 | JordiGH | We had someone who apparently scammed us just to get the first payment. They write up a good-looking application, but once they got the first payment, they vanished forever. Is there anything we could have done to prevent that? |
| 18:26.59 | JordiGH | This happened last year. |
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| 18:33.05 | Slurpee | JordiGH, it has happened to us too. It is fairly frustrating. You're correct that some of the students build incredible proposals. "too good to be true" |
| 18:34.17 | PulkoMandy | request enough work for your application that it is worth giving the student the first payment ($500 IIRC)? Ask them to submit patches, etc |
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| 18:35.25 | JordiGH | On the other hand, I also think it's a bit bad to make many applicants do work for which they will probably not get paid. |
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| 18:37.31 | gevaerts | How sure are you that it was actually a scam? |
| 18:38.17 | JordiGH | I'm not, just seems sc(a|u)mmy to vanish the second they get the first payment. |
| 18:38.34 | Slurpee | I'm not sure if it was a scam, but maybe people see it is a way to get paid to write a proposal. |
| 18:38.50 | gevaerts | Oh, I'm sure there are people who try |
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| 18:39.59 | Slurpee | A student who disappeared in this way wrote one of the best gsoc proposals I have ever reviewed. It was like a professional who had written real proposals wrote it. |
| 18:40.04 | gevaerts | But people can fall off the net for all sorts of reasons (accidents, political situations, ...), and it's not inconceivable that this could happen right after that payment |
| 18:40.40 | gevaerts | That doesn't mean I don't believe the scam theory though :) |
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| 18:48.46 | Slurpee | gevaerts, luckily it is the amazing students who do a great job that keeps us excited :) |
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| 19:18.42 | chanakya_vc | Hello everyone.Just wanted to ask that does Google give any sort of certificate on successful completion of projects?I mean a certificate that could be submitted for extra credits or as a simple proof of having done the project? |
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| 19:21.31 | anuj | chanakya_vc, read faq for clearification |
| 19:21.44 | anuj | !faq | chanakya_vc |
| 19:21.44 | gsocbot | chanakya_vc: "faq" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq |
| 19:22.17 | anuj | chanakya_vc, It do give certificate though |
| 19:23.11 | chanakya_vc | anuj, Will check that out.Thanks! |
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| 19:39.25 | kknight | if someone fail last year in GSoC , does it mean he is unlikely to get selected |
| 19:40.17 | JordiGH | kknight: Only because it's the same person and one of the best predictors of future performance is past performance. But if that person has worked hard and improved themselves, they could succeed the next year. |
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| 19:46.01 | PulkoMandy | kknight: I was rejected in 2008 and accepted in 2009 after a year spent doing some work with the org and learning stuff at school. And now I'm a mentor for the org and was also hired to work full-time for them for one year. So, not necessarily, but it does take some work to improve and students need to learn from their errors |
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| 19:56.15 | kknight | PulkoMandy: contacted someone for project tthey told me the chances are very slim, also you need to provide valid explanation. |
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| 19:57.41 | PulkoMandy | well it depends in which way you failed the previous time. In my case I wasn't selected at all so the org didn't have much to judge me from. If you got selected and then didn't perform up to expectations, it's maybe a bit different |
| 19:58.22 | kknight | later one was the case for me. |
| 19:58.47 | kknight | i was unfamiliar last year with many tool even linux |
| 19:59.06 | kknight | but now i know everything related to it |
| 19:59.25 | gevaerts | Everything? :) |
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| 20:00.39 | kknight | related to that project |
| 20:00.42 | kknight | :) |
| 20:00.50 | PulkoMandy | it's still time to show the org your new skills then (it would have been better to do so througout the year, butâ¦). Join their mailing lists and IRC channel and be helpful to other people, send a few patches to their code, etc |
| 20:00.51 | gevaerts | Make sure you explain how you'll avoid failing this year. If you pitch it the right way, having failed before does mean you're more experienced than newcomers |
| 20:01.12 | PulkoMandy | this will make it possible for the org mentors to see if you made enough progress |
| 20:01.16 | Robert_S | JordiGH: If the student isn't interacting with you appropriately during the community bonding period, you can give them the boot. |
| 20:01.31 | JordiGH | Robert_S: Is that before the first payment? |
| 20:01.32 | JordiGH | I forget. |
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| 20:01.52 | Robert_S | downey: Slot allocation will be via darts fired from a rail gun onto a target 2.3 miles away on the side of a barn. |
| 20:02.10 | JordiGH | Ooh, railgun. |
| 20:02.27 | Robert_S | JordiGH: Yeah, there's a month or more before the first payment. |
| 20:02.33 | JordiGH | Robert_S: I so wish you were serious and that Google really had built railguns for the sole purpose of slot allocation. |
| 20:03.06 | Robert_S | JordiGH: How do you know I'm not? |
| 20:03.12 | JordiGH | "We got piles of money. What shall we do with it? Ooh! Railguns!" |
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| 20:03.31 | Robert_S | JordiGH: Seems reasonable, right? |
| 20:04.22 | JordiGH | 'Twould please the stockholders. |
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| 20:04.35 | Robert_S | I am not allowed to speculate as to what might please the stockholders. |
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| 20:39.16 | Cervator | hi #gsoc, quick question from a first year org admin :-) we've been nearly overwhelmed by student interest, some 25-30 intros so far. Is that a "normal" amount of interest? i feel bad since we're likely only getting 1-2 slots and suggested students worried about getting picked might also submit proposals elsewhere |
| 20:39.39 | Cervator | but i really have no idea if the odds of getting picked would be better elsewhere (if veteran orgs get 100+ students or something) |
| 20:40.08 | Cervator | if we're above average in interest vs slots i wonder if maybe it is from being the only game dev org on the list (that i can spot) |
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| 20:41.57 | PulkoMandy | really depends on the org. I am from Haiku (not selected this year) and we have had much less applications than that in previous years, sometimes only 5 to 10 applications. It's not a matter of being a returning org or not, in our case it was I think rather complex project ideas overall and use of C++ which isn't necessarily the most popular language for students |
| 20:42.45 | mbr0wn | Cervator: Yeah it's a bit less than that, but we still get a lot of queries (GNU Radio). I'ts been like this in the past, too. It' |
| 20:42.54 | mbr0wn | s good that students are getting in touch early |
| 20:42.55 | Robert_S | Cervator: Abundance of riches? As Pulko said, it's hard to know what Normal is, because it depends on popularity of topic, popularity of org. |
| 20:43.05 | mbr0wn | And you just need to make sure they're all heading the right way |
| 20:43.18 | Robert_S | Cervator: Consider using the interest as a hook to get people involved even if they don't get chosen as a project. |
| 20:43.31 | Cervator | oh yes, i can tell there are a few that probably just fired off a near template email to check, but several are doing really well too |
| 20:43.41 | Cervator | we are, multiple students are already submitting great pull requests :-) |
| 20:44.01 | mbr0wn | So GSoC is already a win for you :) |
| 20:44.23 | Cervator | it sounds like my advice may still be appropriate for those really eager for a slot - odds with us might well be worse than elsewhere. Just wanted to be sure i wasn't misleading anybody / getting hopes up |
| 20:44.26 | Cervator | absolutely! |
| 20:45.24 | Robert_S | Cervator: Just don't scare them off. I don't know what the absolute numbers are for acceptance, but most proposals (in general) will not get chosen. |
| 20:45.40 | Robert_S | Lunchtime. |
| 20:45.53 | PulkoMandy | !numapps |
| 20:45.53 | gsocbot | PulkoMandy: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 proposals (by 4425 students). 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 20:46.02 | PulkoMandy | this gives some idea of the acceptance ratio |
| 20:49.04 | Cervator | alright, so with 180 orgs this year (iirc) that's about 23-24ish students per org on average that actually submitted apps |
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| 20:51.33 | PulkoMandy | there are also orgs much bigger than others, especially 'umbrella' orgs such as the Python software fundation actually being a lot of sub-projects with each their own ideas list, I think these could get more students than other orgs |
| 20:51.46 | Cervator | i bet |
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| 22:15.45 | Freso | seamlik | You should ping the mentor of your project via IRC or email -- you really, really, really should check with your org. We're all but blacklisting any potential student whom we first come in contact with via a private IRC message or e-mail. |
| 22:16.01 | Freso | They really have to amaze us after having done such. |
| 22:17.37 | valorie | ? Freso, the above is confusing |
| 22:18.22 | Robert_S | Yeah. And seems kind of wrong. |
| 22:18.33 | valorie | are you talking about the difference between private pings/PMs/emails and public channels? |
| 22:19.01 | valorie | when I get a private email/PM I just direct them to the public chan |
| 22:19.21 | valorie | some kids are nervous of their english in a public chan |
| 22:19.32 | valorie | but they will have to overcome that, for sure |
| 22:20.32 | Freso | kblin: "hir" has been in use for a while. :) |
| 22:20.47 | Freso | (I think I first saw it over 10 years ago...) |
| 22:21.42 | terri | We accept just about any form of first contact, but it is true that private email and private irc conversations are usually a sign that the student hasn't read the section on how to contact us. |
| 22:22.13 | terri | But there's a lot of reading, we're totally ok with just redirecting folk, no blacklisting for missing some instructions! |
| 22:22.14 | terri | (We in this case being Python) |
| 22:30.51 | Freso | Robert_S: Do we get to see barn and railguns when we visit in June? |
| 22:31.10 | Robert_S | Freso: I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of either a barn or railguns. |
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| 22:32.30 | gevaerts | A barn? What sort of science fiction is this? Those don't exist! |
| 22:33.37 | Robert_S | Science Fiction Barn: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Moffett+Federal+Airfield/@37.416141,-122.049139,3a,75y,12.81h,103.64t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s-zXvOJp6xL6A%2FVmy-HwB67tI%2FAAAAAAADo0w%2FH_2XNKDxgxg!2e4!3e11!6s%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2F-zXvOJp6xL6A%2FVmy-HwB67tI%2FAAAAAAADo0w%2FH_2XNKDxgxg%2Fw234-h117-n-k-no%2F!7i8704!8i4352!4m2!3m1!1s0x808fb77007067ac7:0xf8553f3edfba9691!6m1!1e1 |
| 22:33.39 | Freso | valorie: We have written three different places that we don't want private e-mails or IRC messages. |
| 22:34.03 | Freso | valorie: If they fail to read that, they've likely not read the rest of our GSoC instructions. |
| 22:34.11 | gevaerts | Robert_S: ah, I am a believer now :) |
| 22:34.39 | Robert_S | :) |
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| 22:35.02 | Freso | Robert_S: Darn. That could hold a whole lot of moomoos. |
| 22:35.10 | valorie | Freso: it never fails to amaze me how much people avoid our publicity -- even mentors |
| 22:35.28 | Robert_S | Freso: Don't forget the space cow from roswell. |
| 22:36.57 | Freso | looks that up... >_> |
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| 22:37.57 | Freso | Robert_S: If it's a reference, I didn't get it, and I'm not finding anything. :( |
| 22:37.59 | olly | i see fewer PMs than I did a few years ago |
| 22:38.20 | Robert_S | Freso: Made it up. Giant cow. Aliens. Spaceport. I dunno. It was weak. I was hoping you'd find something. |
| 22:38.39 | Freso | Well, there's https://www.facebook.com/SPACE.COW.STORAGE ... not really that interesting though. |
| 22:38.47 | olly | i remember I'd get up each morning to find a whole bunch of PM windows in my IRC client (and almost none of the people were still around) |
| 22:41.25 | terri | olly: yeah, I've started putting an away message on IRC during gsoc to redirect students to the right place, beacause I used to get so many |
| 22:41.49 | terri | Now the page that lists my irc handle says "students should email gsoc-general@python.org with all questions" instead, and it's helped. |
| 22:42.54 | olly | it's much less of an issue this year for me |
| 22:43.01 | Robert_S | Less people on IRC? |
| 22:43.06 | olly | python probably has a lot more students though |
| 22:43.46 | olly | Robert_S: it's hard to compare (especially as we weren't taking part last year) but it seems about as busy as I remember |
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| 22:55.45 | zgershkoff | Are gsoc's "office hours" tomorrow? |
| 22:56.20 | Robert_S | In theory. What do you need? |
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| 22:57.06 | zgershkoff | I have a somewhat specific question about the stipend. |
| 22:57.30 | Robert_S | You could either just ask, or email the support email address. |
| 22:58.45 | zgershkoff | I'm on a fellowship that is based on financial need. Whatever money I earn, I get paid less that amount the following year. |
| 22:59.06 | zgershkoff | I was wondering if I could have the stipend sent somewhere else, like my department. |
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| 22:59.23 | Robert_S | That's a good question for email. |
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| 23:00.42 | zgershkoff | You're probably right. |
| 23:09.48 | terri | olly: Python has a lot of students, but also over a hundred mentors. Copyleft games got nearly as many students as Python last year and has like 5 mentors. |
| 23:10.09 | terri | olly: So I try to put my flood in perspective. At least I'm not Arc. :) |
| 23:13.01 | olly | i guess because games |
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