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| 06:28.11 | Ori_B | so, submission deadline: is the 11:00 AM or PM? |
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| 06:34.49 | gsocbot | valorie: "next" is Feb 8th: GSoC Org Registration starts! https://g.co/gsoc |
| 06:35.37 | valorie | 19 February 19:00 UTC according to the timeline |
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| 06:43.09 | Ori_B | thanks for confirming. |
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| 15:46.53 | ChrisBr | how do you insert the irc channel in you org-profile? I always get the error message: this has to be a valid url |
| 15:47.12 | oddvar | it should be a page describing what your irc channel is |
| 15:47.17 | oddvar | rather than the irc channel itself |
| 15:47.19 | oddvar | I think |
| 15:47.56 | ChrisBr | oddvar: ok, thanks |
| 15:51.10 | ChrisBr | oddvar: grml, I should really read the note next to the input field in the future ... thanks |
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| 16:27.06 | AM1A_ | hello everyone! |
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| 17:11.45 | pjn_ | Quick question for org admins |
| 17:11.45 | pjn_ | Do you get a confirmation email when you finish your application? |
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| 17:15.14 | Guest58871 | hey |
| 17:15.14 | Guest58871 | I am totally new |
| 17:15.17 | Guest58871 | Help :( |
| 17:15.29 | oddvar | are you a student? |
| 17:15.30 | Guest58871 | anyone hearing me?? |
| 17:15.36 | Guest58871 | oh hey hii |
| 17:15.37 | Guest58871 | yaa yaa |
| 17:15.59 | Guest58871 | yes Bachelores degree 3rd yr |
| 17:16.03 | oddvar | here's a great guide: http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/what-is-google-summer-of-code/ |
| 17:16.31 | Guest58871 | omg gr8 this is working out |
| 17:16.38 | Guest58871 | am glad to dive in |
| 17:16.42 | oddvar | cool :) |
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| 17:19.29 | Guest58871 | hey, what are these IRC for basically |
| 17:19.31 | Guest58871 | like |
| 17:19.44 | Guest58871 | for communicting over projects?? |
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| 17:20.58 | Guest58871 | hey oddvar.. |
| 17:22.05 | oddvar | hmm? |
| 17:22.07 | oddvar | what do you mean? |
| 17:22.18 | Guest58871 | what is IRC all about... |
| 17:22.24 | Guest58871 | how do you guys use this |
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| 17:22.51 | blast007 | some organizations use IRC for development discussiona and user support, and some don't |
| 17:22.57 | f0cuswOw | hi |
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| 17:23.06 | f0cuswOw | hihi |
| 17:23.26 | pjn_ | any org admins around? |
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| 17:26.19 | Guest58871 | okay...ANd this Gsoc... I am a student, had never tasted any flavor of Open Source....But am damn so intersted to dive in... Is GSOC foe me>>?? |
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| 17:32.58 | Guest58871 | I am a student, had never tasted any flavor of Open Source....But am damn so intersted to dive in... Is GSOC foe me>>?? |
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| 17:34.26 | blast007 | Guest58871: did you read the student guide you were linked to? |
| 17:34.28 | zvrk | read the linked guide, I think it has section called "Is GSOC for me?" or something like that |
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| 17:40.19 | Valodim | Guest58871: writing proper english will go a long way if you want to be taken seriously |
| 17:41.20 | Guest58871 | oh!!... I didn't knew that, thank you so much Valodim. |
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| 17:41.31 | Guest58871 | I'll definitely take care always |
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| 17:46.50 | sttaylor | reminder to all the OAâs you have about 25 hours to complete your applications. |
| 17:47.07 | sttaylor | there are still a bunch of incomplete GSoC org apps |
| 17:47.35 | sttaylor | when your screen shows 100% you will know that your form will be submitted successfully to Google Admins when the deadline passes tomorrow. |
| 17:47.58 | Valodim | mine is, one thing remaining. will finish tomorrow :) |
| 17:48.09 | umccullough_x | runs around in circles screaming |
| 17:48.29 | meflin | PANIC ... need hot chocolate |
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| 17:49.11 | umccullough_x | maybe i'm too lazy to double-check and make sure i actually got it 100% completed |
| 17:49.19 | umccullough_x | i'll just assume i did |
| 17:49.29 | umccullough_x | ;) |
| 17:49.47 | pjn_ | sttaylor: thanks! |
| 17:49.52 | sttaylor | unmccullough_x: I think you know better than to assume... |
| 17:49.56 | umccullough | heh |
| 17:49.58 | sttaylor | meflin: my thoughts exactly |
| 17:50.18 | pjn_ | sttaylor: we finished it today. It shows 100% however we didn't get any email saying that the application is submitted successfully. |
| 17:50.40 | sttaylor | More than half of the org apps arenât 100% right now. I suspect that is probably pretty normal but I havenât watched them at this stage before so it makes me nervous |
| 17:50.54 | umccullough | they all wait until 2 minutes before the deadline |
| 17:50.54 | sttaylor | pjn_: you will not receive an email |
| 17:51.20 | pjn_ | sttaylor: alright |
| 17:51.25 | sttaylor | if it says 100% you are good. Once the deadline approaches all of the apps that are 100% are sent to me to export and review |
| 17:51.30 | umccullough | sttaylor, i think some of them just like to mess with you guys |
| 17:51.55 | pjn_ | sttaylor: wow.. all at once :) |
| 17:52.03 | sttaylor | basically it allows you to still tweak stuff until the deadline (but if you do be sure it still says 100% after the tweaks) :) |
| 17:52.25 | sttaylor | unmccullough, I think youâre on to something there |
| 17:52.57 | pjn_ | sttaylor: I wonder what interface would you be reviewing the applications on? As in would it be Excel? Just worried if the line breaks we put into our answers don't mess up |
| 17:53.48 | sttaylor | it will be in a Google spreadsheet. Weâre used to strangely formatted things coming in so as long as the text is there weâll be fine |
| 17:54.17 | pjn_ | damn... |
| 17:54.29 | pjn_ | I guess I have to do some reformatting then |
| 17:54.48 | umccullough | i'm guessing a URL pointing to an image containing the answer on a remote website pushes ones luck |
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| 17:55.02 | pjn_ | the 1000 characters limit was a challenge... this wasn't there last year |
| 17:56.22 | Valodim | I liked it, it's much easier to work with set expectations |
| 17:56.51 | umccullough | indeed, we submitted much less wordy answers this year - it was actually a bit refreshing |
| 17:57.14 | umccullough | felt like we were getting directly to the point |
| 17:57.22 | pjn_ | indeed |
| 17:57.36 | pjn_ | however, it can get tricky when you have more to say |
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| 17:58.17 | umccullough | maybe add a URL to pastebin :P |
| 17:59.05 | pjn_ | I wonder how many orgs are going to be shortlisted this year? |
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| 18:02.10 | sttaylor | unmccullough: yes when we are reading hundreds of these being direct and to the point is very good |
| 18:03.32 | nicolassebrecht | Yeah, the 1000 chars limit is not a problem. Pastebins allow way more and URLs won't require more than 100 chars. :-D |
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| 18:07.49 | nicolassebrecht | From what I heard, most orgs won't apply this year. |
| 18:08.09 | Valodim | where would you "hear" something like that, and what is "most" |
| 18:08.50 | nicolassebrecht | testing sttaylor resistance to stress |
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| 18:09.45 | nicolassebrecht | ,-) |
| 18:09.57 | Valodim | are you saying that you are being annoying to program administrators on purpose? that does not seem like the best idea in the world tbh |
| 18:13.27 | umccullough | i'm guessing that having "most orgs" not applying this year would actually be a huge stress relief |
| 18:14.10 | nicolassebrecht | Valodim: I feel like you're checking my sense of humour. That's fair. Good attempt! ,-p |
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| 18:15.06 | Brian_ | Hi, I need some help, I accidentally typed our organization name as STEMgenuiity and I want to change it so it doesn't have the extra "i" is there a way I can do this? |
| 18:16.59 | Brian_ | Anyone from Google in this channel that could help me? |
| 18:17.09 | Cervator | Brian_: from an earlier answer i believe you have to email them a request for a rename, can't do it on your own |
| 18:17.32 | Brian_ | Thanks for the help Cervator. I'll send them an email. |
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| 18:18.37 | nicolassebrecht | ... or update your public name to match the name you provided to the GSoC. |
| 18:19.00 | Cervator | there's more of that humor ;-) |
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| 18:20.31 | nicolassebrecht | calming down, I promise. :-) |
| 18:21.19 | meflin | its only time to be calm if you app is 100% :) |
| 18:21.44 | Cervator | huzzah! then i can be calm :-) |
| 18:22.10 | Cervator | just need to touch up the ideas page - is quick review here still an option this year? i haven't seen carols lately |
| 18:22.33 | nicolassebrecht | Cervator: lol |
| 18:24.56 | sttaylor | Cervator: we are not reviewing ideas pages before the deadline |
| 18:25.18 | meflin | Cervator: if you want I can give you my 2-cents |
| 18:25.36 | Cervator | i mean, not official review, but "Hey does this format look ok?" - although same format as earlier, so probably not much to actually review, really |
| 18:25.50 | Cervator | thanks :-) i'm hoping to finish updates there later today |
| 18:26.00 | nicolassebrecht | Cervator: send a link! |
| 18:26.12 | Cervator | yup, later when it is done baking :D |
| 18:26.30 | Cervator | got a few new entries this year that don't have formal homes on the ideas page yet |
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| 18:27.14 | nicolassebrecht | Cervator: you acutally looks like to know what's expected, BTW. |
| 18:27.38 | Cervator | yup, just always nice with a final double check |
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| 18:58.21 | emilio | hi all! |
| 18:58.25 | dom96 | Hi, is there a list of the 2016 orgs that have applied so far? If so, could I get a link? |
| 18:58.53 | emilio | I'm trying to get the Coq Theorem prover to apply as an organziation |
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| 18:59.26 | emilio | however we couldn't figure out, what is exactly required from them; do they need to sign some paperwork? |
| 18:59.42 | emilio | We have approval at all levels but they want to know exactly what the details are |
| 18:59.48 | emilio | thx! |
| 19:00.21 | emilio | ups I see the office hours may have just ended... |
| 19:01.06 | Cervator | emilio: somebody just needs to register as an organization, fill out some stuff, and add a backup administrator |
| 19:01.25 | Cervator | nothing particularly involved, just needs to be somebody doing it who counts as an official for the org |
| 19:01.34 | meflin | emilio: the link to to the web sight to apply is in the topic |
| 19:02.01 | emilio | ok thanks |
| 19:02.08 | emilio | that was my impression |
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| 19:03.42 | gevaerts | dom96: there is no such list |
| 19:03.49 | emilio | the point is that the organization wanted to sign some paperwork like, for authorizing the "administrator" to perform the application, I told them that my impression is that it was less involved than that |
| 19:03.57 | emilio | but in France everybody wants to do paperwork sometimes |
| 19:04.02 | emilio | thanks a lot |
| 19:04.12 | dom96 | gevaerts: oh, thank you anyway. |
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| 19:06.45 | Slurpee | emilio, I believe the agreements are digital. No actual signatures required, but there are terms. |
| 19:09.36 | emilio | Slurpee: We have read the terms thanks |
| 19:09.41 | sttaylor | emilio: yes the terms state that the person signing them has the authority to register and speak for the org. |
| 19:10.04 | terri | sttaylor: Potentially silly question: if you *are* an umbrella org, are you supposed to say "yes" or "no" to the question "are you part of an umbrella org?" -- I guessed no, but wasn't sure. |
| 19:10.11 | terri | darnit, just missed her |
| 19:10.57 | emilio | thanks a lot for the confirmation, I'm working on this as they'll need a mail too |
| 19:11.14 | emilio | the rest of the app should be ready :) |
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| 19:43.09 | benstrumental | What is the definition of an "umbrella organization"? |
| 19:43.24 | meflin | and org who is a collection of other orgs |
| 19:44.27 | Abhitochill | @bens |
| 19:44.35 | nicolassebrecht | terri: I agree it's weird since if you're under the umbrella, you likely won't fill this form. |
| 19:45.14 | Robert_S | don't worry too much about that question as long as there's enough information to figure out what's going on. |
| 19:45.23 | Robert_S | the "any other thing to tell us" question is good for that |
| 19:46.48 | MatthewWilkes | terri: I took the umbrella org question to be more about organisations that handle the legal aspects for you, like the software freedom conservancy. |
| 19:46.59 | benstrumental | Robert_S: OK Thank you - we have a main sponsor, but don't feel like it's the same relationship as something like Mesos to Apache Foundation, for example |
| 19:47.00 | nicolassebrecht | a correct question would be "are your organization an umbrella org" |
| 19:47.06 | MatthewWilkes | Obviously, that's not an authoritative answer |
| 19:48.00 | meflin | Robert_S: I think the question is are you a part .... well NO .. we are the umbrella :) |
| 19:48.38 | nicolassebrecht | meflin: yes, that's what make the question weird... |
| 19:49.17 | Robert_S | We recognize that that question could have been worded differently. :) |
| 19:49.26 | nicolassebrecht | ,-) |
| 19:49.31 | terri | Robert_S: Thanks, thatn's very helpful! |
| 19:49.35 | meflin | I expect no mater our answer it will be kinda obvious :) |
| 19:50.03 | Robert_S | I think the intent was for people who fall under Apache, Python, etc. It seemed useful at the time we added it to the form. |
| 19:50.05 | terri | "oh, it's THOSE people" |
| 19:50.08 | benstrumental | Our "sponsor" handles legal matters for us - will we be safe to check "No" and just explain our relationship with the company in the optional section? |
| 19:50.40 | Robert_S | benstrumental: Yes. |
| 19:50.46 | benstrumental | Robert_S: Cool thanks! |
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| 19:51.39 | nicolassebrecht | side effect from the changes in the signing process... |
| 19:52.40 | nicolassebrecht | if ambrella is in [True, False]: pass |
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| 19:53.19 | benstrumental | Robert_S: Are you with Google Summer of Code organizers? |
| 19:53.39 | Robert_S | benstrumental: I can neither confirm nor deny. |
| 19:53.47 | Robert_S | benstrumental: Actually, that's not true. I can confirm or deny. |
| 19:53.53 | Robert_S | benstrumental: Yes. |
| 19:54.05 | benstrumental | Robert_S: Can you confirm somehow? :P |
| 19:54.07 | balloons | can anyone comment on how they fill out the the proposals section for students? I have some basic information on how to apply, but I'm curious if folks have a big process for students or if it's indeed more ad-hoc |
| 19:54.14 | nicolassebrecht | yes for "he can confirm" |
| 19:54.31 | balloons | right.. lol. He could confirm or deny |
| 19:55.18 | Robert_S | benstrumental: Is that like asking "papers please"? |
| 19:55.47 | nicolassebrecht | :-) |
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| 19:56.29 | benstrumental | Robert_S: Glory to Arstotzka |
| 19:56.50 | nicolassebrecht | benstrumental: you're stuck. There's no good answer to Robert's question. |
| 19:57.17 | terri | balloons: We have a big form that includes all the things that our mentors and admins want to see in an application. Is that what you mean? |
| 19:58.06 | balloons | terri, I'm taking about the section in the gsoc application that includes a free-form box on 'how a student should submit a proposal' |
| 19:58.42 | balloons | I'm trying to understand how this will be presented to a student, and what is really being asked for |
| 19:59.51 | nicolassebrecht | balloons: if you don't have policy you might reply something like "the standard way". |
| 20:00.00 | nicolassebrecht | balloons: I guess... |
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| 20:01.08 | Robert_S | balloons: it will be shown at the bottom of your organization page. And I think also on the apply page. Or linked. |
| 20:01.10 | balloons | lol, I wrote-up how I intend the students to submit proposals, but it feels a bit funny. And again, I'm not sure where the info will lie |
| 20:01.59 | balloons | so from a student prospective, they apply, and then they browse orgs. So the first contact oppurtunity is really through what I put in that box? |
| 20:02.29 | Robert_S | That box and your long description. Did you see the help page regarding how the descriptions work? |
| 20:02.56 | balloons | I mean, everything after that is going to be left up to the organizations? I must confess I'm a newbie when it comes to GSOC, so I'm not sure conceptually how the 'handshaking' between google, the org, and the student happens before they begin working |
| 20:03.15 | balloons | I did see the page about what the page layout looks like, I'll go have a look again |
| 20:03.16 | Robert_S | I haven't looked at these to see if they're good or not (sorry), but here are some examples that other orgs have put together: https://wiki.scilab.org/How%20to%20apply%20to%20the%20GSOC%20%3F, https://github.com/MDAnalysis/mdanalysis/wiki/Google-Summer-Of-Code#our-expectations-from-students ,http://wiki.octave.org/Summer_of_Code_Project_Ideas#Steps_Toward_a_Successful_Application https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_programs/Life_of_a_successful_projec |
| 20:03.32 | Robert_S | balloons: I think the "how to apply box" isn't shown on the screenshot, but it's at the bottom. |
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| 20:04.14 | balloons | Robert_S, gotcha. And thank you for the examples. I guess I was curious if I should be linking out from within the box, or trying to explain it all :-) |
| 20:04.16 | Robert_S | balloons: Google is just the facilitator. We select the organizations and provide some structure. The organizations are responsible for choosing the students, etc. |
| 20:04.29 | Robert_S | balloons: Depends how much you want to write. |
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| 20:04.44 | Robert_S | balloons: I'd honestly suggeset "both". i.e. short version in the box, longer version linked if you need it. Or summary/expansion etc, |
| 20:04.44 | balloons | well, glancing at your examples, it's more or less inline with what I have |
| 20:05.10 | balloons | but yea, I think I will go ahead and linkout to the larger text too. Thank you |
| 20:05.31 | Robert_S | balloons: You should also go look at last year's site. There will be more examples. |
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| 21:28.19 | balloons | wahoo, application all done! |
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| 23:25.12 | benstrumental | Did the GSOC page go down? |
| 23:25.33 | Robert_S | benstrumental: no |
| 23:25.57 | meflin | works for me |
| 23:26.26 | benstrumental | OK crashed for me. Working now |
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| 23:27.23 | Robert_S | Crashed? |
| 23:27.59 | EionRobb | hi there, just wanted to check that there isn't a "submit" button that has to be pressed for actually submitting the organisation application? the 'how-it-works' page seems to imply that there's some action that needs to be taken, but there's no button to take that action |
| 23:28.23 | Robert_S | EionRobb: If your application summary says 100%, that's submitted. |
| 23:28.42 | EionRobb | I guess that was implied, but there's nothing explictily there to say that |
| 23:29.09 | Robert_S | Noted. Wpm |
| 23:29.15 | Robert_S | Noted. Won't get updated by tomorrow. |
| 23:29.45 | EionRobb | just don't want to mess the application up again this year :) the other devs would kill me |
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| 23:40.48 | EionRobb | love the 500 error page btw http://i.imgur.com/J5pAZB0.png very cute |
| 23:41.17 | Robert_S | We tried to keep it fun. |
| 23:41.32 | Robert_S | You shouldn't have seen that though. |
| 23:41.35 | EionRobb | the whole look of the new site is great |
| 23:41.50 | EionRobb | so much easier to use |
| 23:42.03 | benstrumental | It is really nice |
| 23:42.15 | EionRobb | (not trying to suck up to improve chances of acceptance ;) ) |
| 23:42.53 | Robert_S | No comment. |
| 23:43.04 | EionRobb | haha |
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| 23:46.05 | umccullough | heh |
| 23:46.22 | umccullough | Robert_S and his team are awesome! the new site is the bestestesst! |
| 23:46.56 | umccullough | there, now i've done 101% of the application process :) |
| 23:47.56 | MatthewWilkes | I've only noticed one problem with it so far. On the homepage there's a python snippet in a callout that's wrapped onto multiple lines and hyphenated, therefore would generate a syntax error. |
| 23:48.03 | MatthewWilkes | It truly is an excellent site, I'm very impressed |
| 23:48.18 | Robert_S | MatthewWilkes: I'm sad that you didn't report that earlier. |
| 23:48.22 | umccullough | python eh? i though Robert_S was a huge fan of go |
| 23:49.11 | MatthewWilkes | Robert_S: I only noticed it today, but don't worry, there's still time for you to tag my application as "curmudgeon" |
| 23:50.18 | benstrumental | Also, multiple admins modifying/viewing an application page leads to everyone having a bad time |
| 23:50.58 | Robert_S | MatthewWilkes: I'm filing it as a bug anyway. Although that came from the designers, so the primary concern was look nice. (And it does.) |
| 23:51.28 | MatthewWilkes | Robert_S: :) It really does |
| 23:51.35 | Robert_S | benstrumental: Noted. We've only gotten a few complaints about that. It's hard/expensive to fix in a way that doesn't cause an equivalent amount of frustration. |
| 23:51.38 | benstrumental | Someone jokingly asked "Why can't it work like google docs?!" |
| 23:52.31 | Robert_S | benstrumental: Just you wait. Just you wait. |
| 23:52.38 | benstrumental | Robert_S: :) |
| 23:52.40 | Robert_S | benstrumental: Also. HAHAHAHAHA. :) |
| 23:53.02 | Robert_S | (Those responses are not related. You (may) see what I mean in a few weeks. |
| 23:53.04 | Robert_S | ) |
| 23:56.58 | MatthewWilkes | To be honest, I just keep looking at the site and being really impressed that it's so excellent. I'm assuming it's on appengine still, rather than computeengine or the magic internal code, but it's got to be the slickest appengine app I've ever seen. (and, no, I know you can't actually tell us anything) |
| 23:57.52 | Robert_S | MatthewWilkes: I can say it's on AppEngine. It's a good framework for this kind of thing. And yes, it's pretty slick. |
