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| 02:14.25 | gsocbot | zhengyangl: "next" is Community Bonding is on now. Coding starts on 25 May |
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| 02:43.47 | n1cky | !payments |
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| 02:44.00 | n1cky | when are the payment dates, assuming completion |
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| 02:50.12 | olly | n1cky: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/studentpaymentcards#funding_schedule |
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| 02:56.52 | n1cky | ty olly |
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| 07:55.45 | AnonymGSoCPartic | Hello everyone, I am new to GSoC and is my first time mentoring.. |
| 07:57.03 | AnonymGSoCPartic | I was wondering what kind of involvement I should expect from the students at this time ? Should I expect them to only interact once every few days without "trying" any code or should I expect more ? |
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| 08:08.17 | Ch3ck | !next |
| 08:08.18 | gsocbot | Ch3ck: "next" is Community Bonding is on now. Coding starts on 25 May |
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| 08:10.46 | teepee-- | AnonymGSoCPartic: the bonding phase is intended to be preparation, so it basically should cover anything that would allow the student to directly start coding on may 25th |
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| 08:16.00 | AnonymGSoCPartic | teepee: ok, so its normal to see a very low level of involvement ? |
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| 08:17.39 | teepee-- | AnonymGSoCPartic: In general, I'd say yes. If you see the need for special preparation, maybe talk to the student. some probably also have exams currently |
| 08:18.34 | gevaerts | I'd expect *presence*, not necessarily actual activity |
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| 08:35.10 | AnonymGSoCPartic | teepee--: ok thank you :) |
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| 13:44.48 | s4ke | hi. anyone here that has experience with gsoc in germany? |
| 13:44.54 | s4ke | regarding tax forms etc |
| 13:45.20 | s4ke | and whether gsoc is treated as a stipend or not |
| 13:45.59 | bond007 | for outside US I guess we only have to fill foreign certification form. |
| 13:46.13 | s4ke | okay. thats what i got from the FAQ page. thanks :) |
| 13:46.19 | gevaerts | Well, for gsoc, yes |
| 13:46.30 | gevaerts | But you do have to deal with local tax laws of course |
| 13:46.35 | s4ke | exactly |
| 13:46.59 | s4ke | i think the woman at the agency that handles these things in my town had no clue about gsoc and how to treat it |
| 13:47.00 | gevaerts | And there is of course the question about the wisdom of asking random strangers on the internet for tax advice :) |
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| 13:48.12 | s4ke | obviously, but it seems like no one really knows ... |
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| 13:55.06 | s4ke | there have to be at least some people that participated from germany :D |
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| 13:56.24 | bond007 | from payoneer can we choose USD as receiving currency ? |
| 13:56.37 | bond007 | for some one who lives in India ? |
| 13:56.57 | blast007 | bond007: did you ask payoneer? |
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| 13:57.18 | bond007 | Mailed them , waiting for their reply |
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| 13:58.04 | bond007 | I was wondering what all options came while payoneer registration? |
| 13:58.42 | MatthewWilkes | s4ke: Maybe you can get a good deal from a Steuerberater given it's a small source of income. I'd *guess* it'd just go on Anlage AUS on the Steuererklärung and count towards your tax free allowance, but that's not advice. |
| 14:00.14 | MatthewWilkes | It's never been clear to me how people handle it legally even in my own country, let alone others. |
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| 14:06.25 | s4ke | MatthewWilkes: seems like I will have to go to the agency with everything printed out when the project is finished and ask what I should do... |
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| 14:08.21 | MatthewWilkes | s4ke: What agency do you mean? The local Finanzamt? |
| 14:08.29 | s4ke | yes |
| 14:08.50 | s4ke | have no clue what that is called in english :D |
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| 14:09.50 | MatthewWilkes | s4ke: So, I'd be careful there. In my experience the people at the Finanzamt aren't consistent in their advice and anything out of the ordinary really confuses them |
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| 14:12.44 | s4ke | MatthewWilkes: same experience here... hmm the whole problem is just related to that i dont really know whether gsoc is treated as a stipend by german law or not. that really bumms me out. seems like I will have to ask our Steuerberater then (there is like a 0.00#1% chance that he knows what gsoc is) |
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| 14:15.25 | MatthewWilkes | s4ke: I think that's for the best. If your steuerberater tells you something that's wrong and you end up owing tax then their insurance probably covers it. If you get second hand information online or unofficial/unwritten advice from your local Finanzamt and it's wrong it's all on you |
| 14:15.40 | s4ke | yeah |
| 14:15.51 | abiogenesis | s4ke, what will happen in Germany if you just silently accept the payment? |
| 14:16.05 | s4ke | abiogenesis: i have no clue |
| 14:16.29 | s4ke | maybe i am just making a too big of a deal out of this |
| 14:16.50 | MatthewWilkes | s4ke, abiogenesis: We can't speculate about that here, I'm afraid |
| 14:16.52 | gevaerts | doesn't think that wanting to do things right is making too big a deal out of things |
| 14:17.38 | MatthewWilkes | I'm sure lots of students do neglect to declare their GSoC income, but considering you're in Europe you're probably not going to pay any tax on it anyway, it's just a matter of doing the paperwork |
| 14:18.05 | s4ke | MatthewWilkes: yep. and I dont want my GSoC experience to have a bad aftertaste... |
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| 14:25.17 | MatthewWilkes | s4ke: Just out of curiosity (feel free not to answer), what city are you in? |
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| 14:26.23 | s4ke | MatthewWilkes: Bayreuth, you? |
| 14:26.32 | MatthewWilkes | s4ke: Bristol, UK |
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| 14:27.13 | MatthewWilkes | s4ke: I lived in Berlin for a while, though. Was curious if you had been experiencing any of the awful offices I spent days waiting in :) |
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| 14:31.42 | s4ke | MatthewWilkes: i get student loans (BaFöG), sitting in offices is one of my hobbies.. |
| 14:35.15 | MatthewWilkes | s4ke: I once turned up to one asking for a form, spent 3 hours being asked by various people if I'd been baptised. |
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| 14:37.01 | s4ke | MatthewWilkes: what? :D |
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| 14:38.03 | gevaerts | They presumably wanted to know how likely you were to stick your head in a bucket of water while holding the form, in order to figure out if you needed the waterproof form or the regular one |
| 14:38.04 | MatthewWilkes | s4ke: They found it hard to believe I didn't have to pay Kirchensteuer |
| 14:38.30 | MatthewWilkes | They were convinced I was just saying I didn't have to because I was foreign, and that secretly I did and they had to work out the equivalent church in Germany |
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| 14:39.17 | jzaefferer | Might be more effective to just mention a random church they've never heard off, that also gets you in the "none" category |
| 14:39.37 | s4ke | say you're a satanist |
| 14:41.14 | MatthewWilkes | Which brings us back to "Don't mess with the tax office. Jump through their hoops and get legit" |
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| 18:28.00 | klaxa | hi, is there a german student who knows whether or not i have to do some tax stuff for the payment processing and so on? |
| 18:28.10 | klaxa | maybe i'm using the wrong keywords to search for it |
| 18:29.06 | s4ke | klaxa: same problem here... |
| 18:29.28 | klaxa | s4ke, at least i'm not alone then :) |
| 18:29.42 | kinggreedy | !hey guys |
| 18:29.52 | kinggreedy | i think you can ask the tax staff directly |
| 18:29.53 | s4ke | uhm can we trade messenger information? so we can help each other out with that? |
| 18:30.13 | kinggreedy | just ask them about internship stipends |
| 18:31.07 | klaxa | s4ke: i'm always on freenode you can always query me here |
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| 18:31.38 | s4ke | ok |
| 18:31.40 | s4ke | same |
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| 20:03.35 | sampig | klaxa: yesterday teepee advised me to ask the secretary in university. |
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| 20:07.30 | sampig | kinggreedy: i don't think it is a internship stipends. because we cannot list Google, who gives us this stipends, as our employer on our resume. |
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| 20:09.40 | meflin | sampig: this is why you need to ask a tax professional none of us are |
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| 20:12.12 | denisgianne | Hey guyz⦠Anyone knows how I can find a owner of a tracker for Google Analytcs, or try to use some data from a existing tracker code? |
| 20:12.23 | carols | denisgianne: this channel is for gsoc, not google |
| 20:12.35 | denisgianne | Sorry :( |
| 20:12.41 | carols | np |
| 20:12.49 | denisgianne | carols: Do you know a channel for anlytics? |
| 20:12.55 | carols | denisgianne: i donât, sorry |
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