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| 00:20.31 | gangil1 | how do I add a diagram to my gsoc proposal? the proposal editor asking for a source but doesnt open up a file upload dialog |
| 00:21.46 | Corey84 | what format is it? |
| 00:23.42 | gangil1 | jpg |
| 00:23.46 | gangil1 | Corey84: ^ |
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| 00:28.31 | Corey84 | save the work oyu have reload and retry |
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| 00:29.13 | gangil1 | Corey84: but what to enter in source field? |
| 00:29.34 | Corey84 | its a jpg on your local system yes? |
| 00:29.43 | Corey84 | or a http(s):// link ? |
| 00:30.31 | gangil1 | Corey84: yes its on my local system |
| 00:31.03 | Corey84 | should be able to navigate to that directory and file then --what OS ? |
| 00:31.05 | wytrzeszcz | when i need to contact witch mentor organisation ? |
| 00:31.17 | Corey84 | wytrzeszcz, what project? |
| 00:31.31 | gangil1 | Corey84: Ubuntu |
| 00:32.13 | Corey84 | try xclip /path/to/.jpg and see if you can copy/paste the path |
| 00:32.31 | olly | you have to upload images somewhere |
| 00:32.46 | wytrzeszcz | Corey84 i think about debian |
| 00:33.14 | Corey84 | olly, if part of your application yes or email it (pic ids/transcipts can be done that way still afaik) |
| 00:33.21 | olly | somewhere that supports https:// ideally, or else browsers may not load them from https://google-melange.com/ |
| 00:33.39 | Corey84 | wytrzeszcz, so you mean to work on a debian project for the summer challenge? |
| 00:33.55 | wytrzeszcz | yes |
| 00:34.49 | olly | personally, I'm less likely to view stuff if I have to go and hunt it out |
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| 00:36.09 | Corey84 | this is debian challenge page find a sub project you wish to take up and contact the mentors per that pages directions https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2015/Projects |
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| 00:36.34 | Corey84 | imgur does https:// |
| 00:36.40 | Corey84 | olly, ^ |
| 00:37.23 | Corey84 | as do dropbox and google photos / carasoual (spelling check may be needed: ( ) |
| 00:37.32 | olly | why are you telling me that? |
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| 00:40.33 | s0h3ck | I'm wondering about an English expression, do we write " clean code " or "code clean" or "code clean well-documented" or something else ? Thanks ;) |
| 00:40.35 | wytrzeszcz | thanks Corey84 i'll do it tomaroowa now i go sleep // em i need to contact asap or i have some time? |
| 00:41.09 | gangil1 | Corey84: olly thanks I uploaded it to my personal page and linked it |
| 00:42.20 | olly | wytrzeszcz: some of the debian mentors can be rather slow to respond, so I'd get on with it |
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| 00:42.38 | Corey84 | wytrzeszcz, applications close on the 27th so you have a few days but earlier contact with the org is never discouraged (at fedoraproject --what I help /support we already have prospects contacting us) |
| 00:43.43 | Corey84 | wytrzeszcz, worst case find me here or in #fedora and I can try to pass on to a debian pkg manager if you go long time unanswered |
| 00:44.34 | s0h3ck | I will sincerely appreciate any feedback to that expression above, because I will like to make sure my proposal have no spelling mistakes ;) |
| 00:45.10 | wytrzeszcz | then i need to contact tomaroowa |
| 00:45.12 | olly | or you could just talk to the debian org admins if you can't contact one of their mentors - there's at least one in this channel |
| 00:45.28 | olly | and more in #debian-soc on oftc |
| 00:45.32 | wytrzeszcz | and fix my engish |
| 00:45.39 | wytrzeszcz | good night |
| 00:45.44 | wytrzeszcz | thanks a lot :) |
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| 02:05.48 | Edes | can I apply to an org if I don't have an idea of what to work on? |
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| 02:06.36 | dumindux | Edes:you have to create a proposal with the idea you like to work on |
| 02:06.46 | Edes | yes |
| 02:06.52 | Edes | that is my problem |
| 02:06.58 | dumindux | so you have to pick an idea first |
| 02:07.04 | Edes | some orgs have a list of stuff they want people to do |
| 02:07.08 | Corey84 | Edes, even if its as broad as I wanna work on python it has to have some scope |
| 02:07.12 | Edes | but I'm not sure if that's enough for me to get picked |
| 02:07.28 | Edes | like for example |
| 02:07.33 | Edes | I'm interested in helping with R |
| 02:07.44 | Corey84 | Edes, even if you don't most orgs welcome help year round and even outisde of gsoc |
| 02:08.16 | Corey84 | search for orgs looking for R work and start there |
| 02:09.32 | dumindux | you have to narrow it down to a certain idea and propose a plan to implement it to improve the chance of you getting accepted |
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| 02:13.35 | Edes | some organizations have proposals |
| 02:13.43 | Edes | of features that they would like to have added |
| 02:14.11 | Edes | I'm not sure if that's enough |
| 02:16.24 | Corey84 | Edes, you think you have fruitful additions to make to them ? if so propose your case can't get in if you don't apply |
| 02:16.48 | Corey84 | one of those gotta play to win kinda things boss |
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| 03:14.16 | Edes | if I apply today would I have to wait for a proposal approval period? |
| 03:16.02 | dfighter | a what? |
| 03:16.39 | dfighter | no matter when you apply inside the window, the results will only come out in the end of April |
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| 03:21.16 | Edes | alright |
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| 04:29.37 | sam007 | Hi I wanted to know whether the proposal is reviewed by Mentoring organization itself or GSOC also go over it. |
| 04:30.19 | olly | the org review them |
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| 04:31.22 | sam007 | thanks |
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| 04:48.27 | grantwu | If our summer plans are still uncertain, can we apply now and back out before, say, Apr 13th, in the event our summer plans change? |
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| 04:50.39 | valorie | that would really be bad for orgs who take a chance on you, grantwu - I strongly urge you to be honest about that, and perhaps think of this as a warm-up round for next summer |
| 04:51.04 | grantwu | valorie: What exactly do you mean by a warm-up round? |
| 04:51.09 | valorie | once an org chooses a student, if the student backs out, we lose that slot entirely |
| 04:51.34 | valorie | a chance to practice choosing an org, choosing a project, and writing a proposal |
| 04:51.50 | grantwu | valorie: I thought orgs don't chose students until after Apr 13th? |
| 04:52.03 | valorie | I would also like to see you step up and work for one of the orgs outside of GSoC |
| 04:52.07 | valorie | !next |
| 04:52.08 | gsocbot | valorie: "next" is GSoC student applications close on 27 March at 19:00 UTC |
| 04:52.24 | valorie | oh, before the final choice |
| 04:52.28 | valorie | ok, that's better |
| 04:52.49 | valorie | still, be upfront about your conflict |
| 04:53.02 | grantwu | Hrm, okay. |
| 04:53.15 | valorie | if they want you, they can still rank you high, but not feel bitter if you withdraw |
| 04:53.30 | grantwu | Sigh, I better look at the application now |
| 04:53.46 | valorie | if you then go on to fix bugs and so forth, nothing will hold you back for next year |
| 04:53.53 | valorie | in fact, you'll be ahead |
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| 04:54.06 | grantwu | What is happening next year? |
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| 04:55.32 | valorie | we presume GSoC will happen next year too |
| 04:55.59 | grantwu | I see |
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| 04:59.48 | valorie | I understand that you don't want to prejudice the org against you, but believe me, honesty counts for a lot |
| 05:00.32 | grantwu | Hrm, I really doubt I can research proposals in four days... |
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| 05:04.42 | dumindux | !logs |
| 05:04.42 | gsocbot | dumindux: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 05:43.39 | nafty | Hi. I am trying to understand the student's committment upon submitting an application. Is it a committment to participate in the program if it accepted on the mentoring group side? What if there may be conflicting summer activities that won't be resolved by the end of the application period, should I submit anyways and then notify that I will participate or not in the GSoC? Thanks, Dan |
| 05:44.45 | valorie | dan/nafty, best to be honest and up-front within your proposal |
| 05:45.02 | valorie | so that the org is prepared if you have to withdraw |
| 05:45.27 | valorie | it is best to be sure before the final choices are made |
| 05:45.42 | valorie | otherwise the org will lose that slot entirely |
| 05:46.24 | valorie | but if you don't disclose up-front, you likely will aquire quite a bad reputation as a result |
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| 05:47.47 | rjkwok | Hello |
| 05:48.24 | valorie | hi rjkwok, can we help? |
| 05:48.28 | Niharika | waves |
| 05:48.52 | rjkwok | No, everything's fine |
| 05:49.08 | Niharika | Good to hear. |
| 05:50.00 | rjkwok | I expected this chat to be crowded. |
| 05:50.42 | nafty | Thanks Valorie. I will certainly be upfront, it is just unclear to me if the issue is between me and the mentoring application or if it is a general committment to participate with regard to GSoC. The 'Student Participation Agreement' says 1.4(b): "If your proposal is accepted...work diligently to complete the project described in your proposal as it may be modified with the agreement of the Mentor Organization." |
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| 05:51.08 | nafty | So I am unclear if this means that by signing this and submitting an application I commit to the summer, or if based on the admission decision I will be able to modify that plan if necessary.. |
| 05:51.18 | valorie | you are committing for the summer |
| 05:51.40 | valorie | and if you back out after your name is submitted, as I said, the org loses that slot for the summer |
| 05:52.10 | valorie | if there is a week or two you might be tied up, best say that and plan for that in advance |
| 05:52.28 | valorie | just disappearing will likely blacken your reputation, as I said |
| 05:53.24 | nafty | I see. I'm certainly not intending to just disappear, but there are scheduling issues that are unsettled yet. I will write to the organization to ask them if they prefer an uncertain application or none at all.. |
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| 05:53.50 | valorie | just put your conflicts into your proposal |
| 05:54.05 | valorie | a separate email won't do much |
| 05:54.20 | valorie | since the reviewers may or may not have read it |
| 05:54.44 | valorie | some students who have exams for instance, start their research early |
| 05:55.40 | valorie | but this is a committment for the required number of days or weeks at approximately 8 hours per day, 5 days per week |
| 05:56.18 | nafty | Ok, thanks. |
| 05:57.24 | valorie | just to be clear, I'm not advising you not to do a proposal |
| 05:57.35 | valorie | just make it great, clear, and honest |
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| 05:58.17 | rjkwok | Out of curiosity, how slim are the chances of getting matched with a mentor organization? |
| 05:58.35 | rjkwok | Is it like, 1400/5000 applicants or 1400/100000000000000000 applicants? |
| 05:58.40 | valorie | !numapps |
| 05:58.41 | gsocbot | valorie: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs. 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 05:59.07 | valorie | closer to your first example |
| 05:59.19 | valorie | your second example would be impossible to administer |
| 05:59.51 | rjkwok | It would be particularly difficult, since there aren't that many humans in the world. |
| 06:00.02 | valorie | heh |
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| 06:00.31 | nafty | Ok, even better! Thanks! I wrote to them to see their thoughts (I think it's probably one that will not get as many applications because it is specialized, so maybe they prefer that I'll apply and we can communicate throughout to see how things go..) |
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| 06:01.25 | valorie | until you submit a proposal, they will have nothing to comment upon, most likely |
| 06:02.18 | valorie | the proposal and whatever work you have already done for the org are what counts |
| 06:03.32 | rjkwok | What if one has never worked for the organization before, and also has no open source experience? |
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| 06:32.45 | valorie | hmm, connection problems - I hope rjkwok got hir question answered |
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| 06:34.21 | Kyzz | I did get any answer from the org I contacted earlier today :) gonna start writing my proposal tomorrow! |
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| 06:53.29 | clive | Hi, I am student from south korea. |
| 06:53.39 | clive | I have a question for gsoc |
| 06:54.18 | valorie | ask it? |
| 06:54.31 | clive | I studied software engineering for a half of year, and I just have low level of knowledge about c, c++, java, python, html. |
| 06:54.57 | clive | And I don`t have any experience of open source development. |
| 06:55.13 | clive | Can I apply any project? |
| 06:55.19 | valorie | certainly |
| 06:55.32 | valorie | apply for a project that interests you |
| 06:55.42 | valorie | that you are enthusiastic about |
| 06:55.54 | valorie | write a great proposal |
| 06:56.06 | valorie | get in touch with the org as soon as possible |
| 06:56.10 | valorie | !next |
| 06:56.11 | gsocbot | valorie: "next" is GSoC student applications close on 27 March at 19:00 UTC |
| 06:56.23 | valorie | that is a hard deadline there |
| 06:57.32 | clive | I knew it so lately.. I didn`t know existence of gsoc 4hours ago. |
| 06:58.14 | valorie | put your all into your effort and you'll make a good showing, clive |
| 06:58.16 | Niharika | clive: I want to point that even if you do not get selected this year, it's the right time to start getting involved in open source projects and start contributing. GSoC will be easy peasy for you next year. |
| 06:58.30 | valorie | very good point, Niharika |
| 06:59.42 | clive | Thanks everyone and one more questions, Is that proposal have to contain professional knowledge? |
| 07:01.37 | clive | Actually, I`m interest in DBpedia Question and Answering Mechanism, So I will start study SPARQL. |
| 07:03.28 | clive | Anyway, I`ll go for study! Thanks for everyone! Pray for me to put all into my effort! |
| 07:03.30 | clive | Bye! |
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| 07:35.28 | Anthon | Hello guys, I have a question for gsoc |
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| 07:35.54 | Anthon | Is there any organization about social scientific simulation? |
| 07:37.02 | Anthon | or any organization needs rule-based programming? |
| 07:37.26 | |Kev| | Anthon: Such things are what the tags are for. |
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| 07:44.28 | kamal | hi |
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| 07:47.31 | guest11959 | hi |
| 07:48.43 | guest11959 | please give me more info GSoC registration process |
| 07:49.18 | guest11959 | if anyone here please respond |
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| 07:50.17 | valorie | guest11959: we're here, but you've given no details |
| 07:50.25 | valorie | is no good at mind-reading |
| 07:50.43 | valorie | !faq | guest11959 |
| 07:50.44 | gsocbot | guest11959: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
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| 07:52.07 | guest11959 | how i get project and register as student or a mentor |
| 07:53.20 | valorie | did you read the FAQ? |
| 07:53.28 | guest11959 | yes |
| 07:53.29 | valorie | please don't ask about being a mentor |
| 07:53.40 | valorie | how about the student guide? |
| 07:53.48 | valorie | !studentguide |
| 07:53.48 | gsocbot | valorie: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ or if that site is down https://web.archive.org/web/20150314235727/http://flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 07:53.51 | guest11959 | ok |
| 07:54.26 | guest11959 | how i get project |
| 07:54.34 | guest11959 | for coding |
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| 07:56.18 | valorie | you find an org you want to work with |
| 07:56.28 | valorie | you find one of their ideas that interests you |
| 07:56.29 | guest11959 | no |
| 07:56.42 | guest11959 | no |
| 07:56.45 | valorie | you propose to them how you will make their idea happen |
| 07:57.03 | valorie | this is how GSoC works |
| 07:57.07 | olly | guest11959: then no project for you, sorry |
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| 08:09.10 | haWx | olly: Is there anybody who can explain about CERN sft |
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| 08:09.58 | haWx | is waiting |
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| 08:10.10 | haWx | waiting |
| 08:10.47 | olly | !anyone | haWx |
| 08:10.47 | gsocbot | haWx: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2015 |
| 08:11.46 | haWx | there aint except there mailing list |
| 08:11.56 | haWx | and they don't like to reply |
| 08:12.14 | olly | shrug - try another org if you don't like that |
| 08:12.45 | haWx | olly: Its one the best dude |
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| 08:13.10 | olly | be patient then - almost all mentors are doing this in their spare time |
| 08:14.25 | haWx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:15.09 | olly | there's no need to shout |
| 08:15.23 | olly | we don't have a magic way to contact a particular org |
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| 08:19.25 | |Kev| | Well, we do, and the mogic is on their profile page :) |
| 08:20.10 | olly | while that seems to be magic to some, haWx has looked there |
| 08:20.25 | |Kev| | Yeah, I saw. |
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| 08:21.11 | valorie | or I could fly to Geneva, hop the bus to CERN, and start knocking on doors |
| 08:21.22 | valorie | sounds like a fun adventure |
| 08:21.23 | |Kev| | valorie: That's going above and beyond. Enjoy the trip :) |
| 08:21.37 | valorie | puts the ticket on GSoC's tab |
| 08:22.06 | olly | do we know they're the swiss cern, and not the cern abbas chalk figure |
| 08:22.20 | olly | (warning: NSFW) |
| 08:23.25 | valorie | lol |
| 08:23.53 | valorie | he just has body parts |
| 08:24.07 | |Kev| | Given that it doesn't seem to be a public mailing list (at least as far as I can see), I'm not sure it's easy to tell that they generally don't reply, rather than just haven't replied to you. Was your initial mail easy to reply to? |
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| 08:29.23 | kblin | ther's probably some important conference abstract deadline and everybody's busy |
| 08:29.36 | kblin | is off to work on a conference abstract |
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| 08:56.55 | exprosic | hello? |
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| 09:00.05 | valorie | exprosic: how can we help ya |
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| 09:02.17 | exprosic | hi:) I can't find the ideas list on the GSoC website |
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| 09:02.56 | exprosic | the `Ideas list for KDE' in FAQ links to kde.org |
| 09:02.59 | |Kev| | There is an ideas list per organisation. Look at the list of orgs, find one that looks interesting, click it. |
| 09:05.07 | valorie | exprosic: the faq perhaps has dead links to previous years or something |
| 09:05.27 | valorie | since I'm a KDE admin I can tell you we certainly have a 2015 ideas page |
| 09:05.30 | valorie | since I made it |
| 09:06.13 | valorie | https://community.kde.org/GSoC/2015/Ideas |
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| 09:06.44 | exprosic | got it :) thanks |
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| 09:43.55 | Guest10792 | Hello, what purpose does ordering of proposal fulfill in Dashboard->proposals? |
| 09:45.24 | gevaerts | Guest10792: I have no idea what that ordering is, but it's not meaningful for selection or organisations |
| 09:46.31 | Guest10792 | gevaerts: you de-duplication check will be as done last year? |
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| 09:46.57 | gevaerts | I don't know, but I assume it will be the same or very similar |
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| 09:48.57 | Guest10792 | ok |
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| 11:18.27 | ddobrev | Hi all. |
| 11:18.39 | ddobrev | Where do I submit a proposal? |
| 11:23.23 | Amaan | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015 |
| 11:23.26 | Amaan | ddobrev: ^ |
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| 11:23.33 | Amaan | Create a profile, and then submit a proposal |
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| 11:37.14 | sgulati | Hey...can I submit proposal for more than one project of an organisation? |
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| 11:38.33 | gsocbot | aseem: "next" is GSoC student applications close on 27 March at 19:00 UTC |
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| 11:41.53 | sgulati | kblin: Can I submit proposal for more than one project of an organisation? |
| 11:44.20 | kbhat | sgulati: The FAQs seem clear: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#6._Can_a_student_submit_more_than_one |
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| 11:46.47 | sgulati | kbhat: My question was can I submit more than one proposal for the SAME organisation? |
| 11:47.33 | |Kev| | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.40 | |Kev| | Although you'll want to discuss it with them. |
| 11:48.02 | kbhat | sgulati: does it explicitly say you can't? ;) |
| 11:48.55 | kbhat | sgulati: but yeah, follow |Kev| 's advice. |
| 11:49.15 | sgulati | kbhat: If it doesn't deny the fact it doesn't state it as well. ;) |
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| 11:52.33 | kblin | sgulati: ask them? |
| 11:53.03 | kblin | the web submission system doesn't care if it's the same or different organisations |
| 11:53.09 | kblin | the organisation might care |
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| 12:32.55 | examon | How does it work when a student apply for two projects and both organizations like his application and want to accept it? Is student given a choice to pick what project to work on? Or is this decision sorted out only between orgs? |
| 12:33.53 | teepee | examon: it's a decision between the orgs, but they can decide to ask the student |
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| 12:35.50 | examon | teepee: thank you |
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| 12:35.55 | |Kev| | examon: But in short, don't worry about it, apply to projects you're excited to work on, and if you're accepted more than once you'll end up working on a project you're excited about. |
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| 12:37.12 | examon | |Kev|: yeah, but you are always more excited for some project then the other, so if the student get accepted by two projects, it would be nice to pick the "more exciting" one. |
| 12:38.21 | gevaerts | You're free to tell the organisations, or at least the one you prefer |
| 12:38.32 | gevaerts | But don't count on it being taken into account |
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| 12:39.12 | examon | |Kev|, gevaerts: thank you |
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| 12:51.17 | Separius | I am trying to create my student profile (i know that it is a bit late) , and guess what , my country (iran) is not listed in the country field , can i do anything about it ? |
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| 12:56.55 | |Kev| | Separius: You should read the participation agreement. |
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| 12:57.34 | Separius | <|Kev|>:thanks |
| 12:58.13 | CFS-MP3 | Iran can't participate I think |
| 13:00.10 | |Kev| | I believe that to be the case, but the participation agreement will be clear on the matter. |
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| 13:01.45 | teepee | the faq states that quite clearly http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page?PageSpeed=noscript#4._Who_is_not_eligible_to_participate_as |
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| 13:02.56 | teepee | very unfortunate that politics interfere with such good things as stipends for students too |
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| 13:09.18 | Anish_ | Hi, when will we know that our proposal has been selected or not? |
| 13:09.26 | Anish_ | 27th march? |
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| 13:09.39 | dfighter | try a month later |
| 13:09.45 | dfighter | but it is in the FAQ |
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| 13:18.35 | Anish_ | Thanks dfighter, as it is written in FAQ that organizations review proposals from 27th march to 13th april, then why do people recommend to send proposals early? |
| 13:19.02 | teepee | Anish_: 27th is deadline defined by gsoc project |
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| 13:19.16 | haWx | deadline |
| 13:19.17 | teepee | you simply can't submit afterwards |
| 13:19.23 | haWx | oh i see |
| 13:19.39 | teepee | also one needs to review a stable state and not a list of proposals that still changes |
| 13:19.40 | |Kev| | Anish_: Because you'll want to have received feedback and made updates to your proposal before the deadline. |
| 13:20.07 | |Kev| | Anish_: An org can allow you to make changes after the deadline, but they may well not, in which case you're stuck if there's stuff missing from your application. |
| 13:20.18 | Anish_ | Oh the feedback part, got it, thanks a lot :) |
| 13:20.18 | dfighter | Anish_, for 2 reasons: a.) so you can be sure the proposal is in, and not lost in a server timeout at the deadline. b.) what |Kev| said |
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| 13:24.21 | mukesh14149 | can anybody tell me what is enrollment form which is to be submitted in gsoc 2015? |
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| 13:26.11 | kblin | mukesh14149: some form stating that you're enrolled as a student in your university |
| 13:26.15 | haWx | university declarion |
| 13:26.26 | haWx | declaration for current year |
| 13:27.36 | mukesh14149 | ok thanks |
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| 13:31.47 | Niharika | A student ID card for the university works as well, if it mentions the enrollment term. |
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| 14:00.23 | dibya_ | i need a co-mentor who have enough knowledge in arduino for a proposal of integrating arduino with drupal websites. |
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| 14:47.01 | sgallagh | I can't find it in the docs; what exactly does the "Accept Proposal" button in Melange mean? Does it mean that we've agreed to consider this student for an open slot, vs. we've guaranteed them for one? |
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| 14:53.35 | |Kev| | sgallagh: Once you've got the number of slots allocated, you'll 'accept' X proposals. So you don't want that button at the moment. |
| 14:53.46 | |Kev| | Well, toggle rather than button, IIRC. |
| 14:54.00 | sgallagh | OK, just wanted to make sure it wasn't our way of indicating how many slots we want :) |
| 14:54.07 | |Kev| | That's in your profile. |
| 14:54.51 | sgallagh | Ah, so it is. We need to set that... |
| 14:58.48 | |Kev| | Well, not quite yet. |
| 14:59.01 | |Kev| | No clue how many you'll want to ask for until your applications are in. |
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| 15:06.21 | sgallagh | True enough |
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| 15:27.23 | Plast | do all gsoc projects have to start exactly on May 25th? |
| 15:28.10 | Plast | I'm on a different academic calendar than most schools and I don't get out until mid June. I assume that is something you work out with your organization. |
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| 15:29.51 | dfighter | Plast, yes |
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| 15:30.14 | dfighter | I don't "get out" until the end of June |
| 15:30.21 | |Kev| | Plast: The programme starts the same time for everyone. It may be possible to work something like that out with your org, e.g. by working through the community bonding period. But I'd advise against an org taking a student who can't do much work until mid-June. That's the midterm, and orgs need to be able to say reasonably that the project is on track by then. |
| 15:30.23 | dfighter | so last year I started eary, with less effort |
| 15:30.30 | dfighter | early* |
| 15:30.41 | Plast | ah |
| 15:31.02 | dfighter | |Kev|, it worked out for me pretty well so far |
| 15:31.38 | dfighter | also pretty sure all of the hungarian students are in the same situation as I am |
| 15:31.50 | dfighter | since the spring semester exam period is in June |
| 15:32.03 | dfighter | so basically you're saying you advise against taking any Hungarian students |
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| 15:33.39 | Plast | but that is definitely something I should mention in my proposal right? |
| 15:33.48 | dfighter | yes |
| 15:33.58 | Plast | I'm fine working through the end of my term |
| 15:34.08 | |Kev| | dfighter: I'm saying I'd advise against taking anyone who can't compensate somehow. I'd suggest starting informally in the community bonding, so fewer hours can go in throughout. |
| 15:34.23 | dfighter | |Kev|, that's what I've been doing |
| 15:34.23 | meflin | you can't finish a gsoc project late |
| 15:34.30 | dfighter | so the compensation was always there |
| 15:34.38 | |Kev| | dfighter: someone who literally didn't start in any meaningful way until mid-June would be impossible to pass the midterms sensibly. |
| 15:34.49 | dfighter | |Kev|, that I can agree with |
| 15:35.13 | |Kev| | dfighter: I said I'd advise against someone who "can't do much work until mid-June". If someone starts early to compensate, that's cleary not applying. |
| 15:35.39 | dfighter | |Kev|, that would depend on what you mean by "much work" |
| 15:35.54 | dfighter | but you made it clear what you meant |
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| 15:37.46 | Plast | thank you dfighter and |Kev| |
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| 15:41.46 | |Kev| | Plast: If you can give a clear message to the org of "I want to find a way to work around this scheduling with you. You can be sure that I'm not looking for a free ride", I think you're likely in a good position. But of course, I have no clue about how anyone will react. |
| 15:42.05 | Plast | gotcha |
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| 16:19.48 | tt_ | hi |
| 16:19.52 | tt_ | is anyone |
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| 16:20.07 | Guest50356 | anyone availbale |
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| 16:22.26 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:41.37 | newage_davinci | Hi everyone !! |
| 16:41.54 | carols | hi newage_davinci |
| 16:42.13 | newage_davinci | Could someone help me. I am facing trouble with submitting the proposal. |
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| 16:42.29 | carols | newage_davinci: depends, but we can try. whatâs the problem? |
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| 16:43.06 | newage_davinci | carols: I cant submit my proposal |
| 16:43.16 | carols | newage_davinci: okay. have you created a profile? |
| 16:43.29 | newage_davinci | carols: yes |
| 16:43.41 | carols | newage_davinci: okay, and did you submit your proof of enrollment? |
| 16:43.58 | newage_davinci | carols: not yet |
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| 16:44.11 | carols | newage_davinci: okay, then thatâs why you canât submit a proposal |
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| 16:44.38 | newage_davinci | carols: thanks for your help. Thank you so much. |
| 16:44.42 | carols | newage_davinci: yw |
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| 16:45.57 | newage_davinci | carols: Can I submit a photo of my ID card and my college transcript(.docx). |
| 16:46.16 | newage_davinci | carols: in .zip of course |
| 16:46.17 | carols | newage_davinci: yes, please follow the instructions from the proof of enrollment instruction sheet |
| 16:46.38 | newage_davinci | carols: okay thanks !! |
| 16:46.41 | carols | yw |
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| 17:03.02 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 17:06.02 | pinak | Ok people need some help. I'm submitting a propsal to melange, can't seem to atatch images. |
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| 17:06.19 | carols | pinak: thatâs because that functionality doesnât exist. |
| 17:06.36 | carols | if you want to include an image, include a URL for the image |
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| 17:06.58 | pinak | oh, but there is on option in the insert menu, so I thought it was possible |
| 17:07.04 | carols | pinak: sorry |
| 17:07.21 | pinak | anyways thanks for clearing it up |
| 17:07.39 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:13.44 | rharish | Nightrose: valorie ping |
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| 17:14.25 | Nightrose | rharish: hey |
| 17:14.41 | rharish | Nightrose: I need a small favor |
| 17:14.49 | Nightrose | ok. what is it? |
| 17:15.02 | rharish | can you confirm if Laurent Montel is indeed a mentor ( registered on melange ) with KDE ? |
| 17:15.03 | carols | want to take it to a PM, folks? |
| 17:15.24 | rharish | carols: sorry for interrupting |
| 17:15.24 | Nightrose | sure |
| 17:15.28 | carols | no problem |
| 17:15.28 | carols | thanks |
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| 18:12.09 | lokeshw24 | Hi, I'm filling up the students profile page on the melange site. In the proof of enrollment, are we supposed to give .jpg or .pdf ? |
| 18:12.17 | carols | lokeshw24: either |
| 18:12.27 | lokeshw24 | carols: Ok. |
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| 18:14.32 | gevaerts | wouldn't recommend jpg for text things |
| 18:15.32 | lokeshw24 | gevaerts: Yeah, I've uploaded in .pdf format only. Hope thats fine |
| 18:17.33 | lokeshw24 | On the melange site, once a proposal is submitted, can I re-submit with some modifications? |
| 18:17.49 | carols | lokeshw24: yes, up until the deadline |
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| 18:18.46 | lokeshw24 | carols: Ok, so the previous proposals are over-written? |
| 18:19.03 | carols | lokeshw24: no, you just modify whatever you want to modify in the text box and then save it. |
| 18:19.12 | carols | so whatever you write over is what you write over. |
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| 18:19.36 | lokeshw24 | carols: Ok, got it! :) |
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| 18:20.36 | lokeshw24 | My college ID card doesn't have a start date, but has end date only. Hope thats not a problem. |
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| 18:25.25 | Corey84 | lokeshw24, the transcript requested should clear that up tho |
| 18:25.56 | Corey84 | if not implicit that your "end date" would be inclusive of april 27th 15 |
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| 18:28.33 | lokeshw24 | Corey84: The ID Card says - Valid upto - 2016 |
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| 18:30.36 | yousifd | hello |
| 18:30.40 | carols | hi yousifd |
| 18:30.52 | yousifd | I have a quick question |
| 18:30.56 | carols | sure |
| 18:31.27 | yousifd | Where do I submit my proposals on the gsoc webpage? |
| 18:31.50 | carols | yousifd: you submit them there. but not until youâve created a profile and submitted your proof of enrollment |
| 18:31.57 | carols | have you done those things yet? |
| 18:32.15 | yousifd | Oh, I must have missed on submitting the proof of entrollment |
| 18:32.23 | yousifd | Thank you for that quick answer! |
| 18:32.27 | carols | yw |
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| 18:38.42 | lokeshw24 | So just to re-ask my doubt. My ID card says - Valid upto 2016. Is that fine for enrollment proof? |
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| 18:39.11 | Corey84 | assuming its valid past april 16 that would imply you were enrolled in a associate (or equil) as of april 15 |
| 18:39.13 | carols | lokeshw24: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/proofofenrollment âRather than ask questions on the mailing list or in IRC about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you. If you do not receive an email request from us for a new document you can assume what you |
| 18:39.13 | gevaerts | lokeshw24: did you read http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/proofofenrollment in its entirety? |
| 18:39.14 | carols | submitted is fine.â |
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| 18:43.14 | lokeshw24 | Corey84, carols, gevaerts : Ok, thanks! :) |
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| 18:58.35 | Ebrahim | Hi, so I'm currently a student in a foundation year program, which is a year of preparation before going to college along with applying for universities. I just got accepted into a university, and planning to attend next fall. Now should I apply as a prospective student to the university I just have been accepted to, or as a current gap year student in the university I am now studying at? and what proof is required from each? |
| 18:59.13 | carols | Ebrahim: you should submit the proof of enrollment for an accredited university, whichever of the ones youmentioned is |
| 18:59.54 | GauravBP_ | Hello there. It says that we can submit multiple proposals. But still how many proposals can be submitted? |
| 19:00.01 | rnikhil275 | 5 at max |
| 19:00.25 | carols | GauravBP_: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#6._Can_a_student_submit_more_than_one |
| 19:01.38 | GauravBP_ | And can those proposals belong to different mentoring organizations? |
| 19:01.48 | carols | sure |
| 19:02.35 | GauravBP_ | Thanks |
| 19:02.57 | carols | yw |
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| 19:13.57 | Corey84 | GauravBP_, can't speak for all orgs but fedoraproject (of which I support as a ambassador) you can submit more to the org (outside of gsoc) if the time /interest is there on both ends |
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| 19:15.30 | GauravBP | Corey84 : Okay. Thanks |
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| 19:17.04 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 19:18.14 | Corey84 | no bagels / croisants? :( :P |
| 19:18.23 | carols | Corey84: did you bring some? |
| 19:18.46 | Corey84 | thought those were comp'd shoot |
| 19:18.49 | Corey84 | m:P |
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| 19:40.53 | perepujal | One old student from GCI is asking me about if she can apply to GSOC for graphical design(no coding) I was going to say no, but better if somebody can confirm that. |
| 19:41.13 | carols | perepujal: was this a project on an organizationâs ideas list? |
| 19:41.20 | perepujal | nopes |
| 19:41.25 | carols | then most likely not |
| 19:41.34 | perepujal | thanks |
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| 19:42.53 | carols | yw |
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| 19:43.32 | Corey84 | look at sugarlabs they had cgi stuff this year I thought |
| 19:43.55 | Corey84 | if not I know of a few outside of gsoc if he/she is interested |
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| 20:51.06 | Corey84 | is prepping for the last 72 hours countdown of questions |
| 20:51.50 | teepee | reminds Corey84 that this is the "never do countdown" channel ;) |
| 20:52.17 | Corey84 | the rush to apply then? |
| 20:52.50 | Ivanovic | the huge amount of people crying because they missed the deadline of submissions by "only 10 seconds" |
| 20:53.18 | Ivanovic | or "mixed up the timezone and thought there was still an hour remaining" |
| 20:54.09 | teepee | yeah, as with every deadline everywhere. so I guess the simple rule "no exceptions" is quite a sensible one |
| 20:54.38 | Ivanovic | especially since you can just do an empty submission initially and fill it with info later on |
| 20:55.00 | Corey84 | or the "did my prop make it before the deadline i had to refresh like 10 times" |
| 20:55.21 | Corey84 | like a provisional patent almost |
| 20:55.30 | Corey84 | get your name in the pot |
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| 20:57.32 | Ivanovic | whenever someone comes up with any kind of "ups, I missed the deadline, can I get in anyway" i would love to reply with some very rude things including "if you did not have your proposal done early enough, you basically have no chance anyway, since the org will barely know you and others already worked with them during their proposal creation" |
| 20:57.41 | Ivanovic | or "HAHA!" |
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| 20:58.08 | Ivanovic | of "did you not read the FAQ where is says that you can submit anytime before the deadline after submissions start and still edit the proposal?" |
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| 21:00.39 | Ivanovic | also a nice one: "if you don't know the meaning of the word deadlne, please check this: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=deadline" |
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| 21:01.12 | dfighter | the deadline is when the hostages are beheaded |
| 21:01.14 | dfighter | isn't it? |
| 21:01.24 | Ivanovic | dfighter: includng that, right |
| 21:01.28 | dfighter | :P |
| 21:01.31 | carols | dfighter: hi, letâs be careful with our tone here folks |
| 21:01.32 | carols | thanks |
| 21:01.49 | Ivanovic | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deadline |
| 21:02.03 | carols | Ivanovic: dfighter: you both want to take it to a PM? |
| 21:02.18 | Ivanovic | carols: nah, had enough flaming about deadlines |
| 21:02.19 | dfighter | carols, I didn't mean to suggest violence towards those who miss it |
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| 21:02.30 | carols | dfighter: great, iâm glad to hear that |
| 21:02.42 | dfighter | I was just trying to emphasize the importance of the deadline, that's all |
| 21:02.48 | dfighter | so no worries :) |
| 21:02.53 | carols | iâm sure everyone knows itâs important |
| 21:02.55 | carols | letâs move on :-) |
| 21:03.02 | dfighter | ;) |
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| 21:26.32 | Seun | Can proposals be edited before the due date? |
| 21:26.55 | carols | Seun: sure |
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| 22:56.37 | manny | hello people |
| 22:56.43 | manny | hope you're good |
| 22:56.50 | manny | I just saw GSOC |
| 22:58.24 | teepee | manny: hi |
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| 22:58.57 | manny | hello teepee |
| 22:59.04 | manny | i had a few queries |
| 22:59.09 | manny | would you kinldy help me |
| 22:59.11 | manny | ? |
| 22:59.16 | manny | kindly* |
| 22:59.43 | teepee | just ask away |
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| 23:00.10 | manny | oh okay |
| 23:00.13 | manny | well firstly |
| 23:00.29 | manny | I am a newbie here and at GSOC too |
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| 23:01.22 | manny | 1. I have two semesters worth of experience in c++, am currently taking data structures (that makes three semesters) of c++ study so would i be able to be a good fit for GSOC |
| 23:01.53 | manny | or is it like all the people who apply are pros with years of experience and i dont stand a chance? |
| 23:02.11 | teepee | you'll certainly find something that will match that skills |
| 23:02.52 | teepee | did you see the student guide already? |
| 23:02.57 | teepee | !studentguide | manny |
| 23:02.57 | gsocbot | manny: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ or if that site is down https://web.archive.org/web/20150314235727/http://flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 23:03.02 | manny | 2. umm i read the faqs section |
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| 23:04.42 | manny | oh thanks so much teepee |
| 23:04.49 | manny | I'll go through it and resume asking |
| 23:04.50 | manny | :D |
| 23:05.08 | teepee | perfect :) |
| 23:05.36 | teepee | one important point... the proposals for the projects are due end of the week |
| 23:05.58 | manny | yes |
| 23:06.05 | manny | thanks for the headsup |
| 23:06.13 | teepee | !next |
| 23:06.14 | gsocbot | teepee: "next" is GSoC student applications close on 27 March at 19:00 UTC |
| 23:06.30 | manny | umm the guide says that the orgs have a list of ideas that we can work on |
| 23:06.55 | manny | well i just see a whole page of the orgs and no ideas |
| 23:06.59 | teepee | yep, check the gsoc main page, there a link to the list of orgs |
| 23:07.17 | teepee | if you select one of the orgs, you'll get a short description and a link to the idea page |
| 23:07.33 | manny | do i like need to go and google each organizations interests or is there a tiny little button that i'm missing which has the ideas page |
| 23:08.14 | manny | when i select one |
| 23:08.21 | manny | the page goes to submit your proposal |
| 23:08.35 | manny | no short descriptions show up :/ |
| 23:08.57 | teepee | "See all 137 mentoring organizations" <- |
| 23:11.36 | manny | i only see submit your proposal as the most visible thing there is |
| 23:11.40 | manny | on the home page |
| 23:11.50 | manny | oh sorry |
| 23:11.55 | manny | i missed a spot :P |
| 23:12.00 | teepee | :) |
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| 23:12.03 | teepee | right in the middle |
| 23:12.14 | monokles | manny? |
| 23:12.15 | manny | thankyou so much teepee for bearing with me |
| 23:12.28 | manny | lol I'd treat you to a chocolate if you were with me |
| 23:12.30 | teepee | maybe it should blink or something :D |
| 23:12.33 | manny | yes monokles? |
| 23:12.37 | manny | lol. spot on |
| 23:12.58 | monokles | you from wurm? |
| 23:13.28 | manny | wurm? |
| 23:13.33 | manny | sorry dunno whats that |
| 23:13.44 | monokles | guess not then :P |
| 23:13.50 | monokles | just ignore me |
| 23:13.55 | manny | hahaha |
| 23:13.59 | manny | its alright |
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