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| 04:32.08 | suvorov | Hello, where can I get help for applying to GSoC for Debian? |
| 04:32.08 | suvorov | In person preferably |
| 04:32.08 | suvorov | I can't find an answer to my question on the info pages :\ |
| 04:32.31 | valorie | on the Debian info pages? |
| 04:32.37 | valorie | on their melange page? |
| 04:33.01 | valorie | debian uses a different network for their IRC chans |
| 04:33.17 | valorie | oftc if I recall correctly |
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| 04:33.56 | suvorov | valorie: alright, thank you! |
| 04:34.10 | terri | suvorov: you might have to go up a level. it looks like they have some information on how to get in touch here: https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2015 |
| 04:34.17 | valorie | always best to go to the actual source |
| 04:34.18 | terri | (which is one level up from the ideas page they have linked) |
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| 04:35.28 | suvorov | I'm just trying to figure out whether I HAVE to submit a project idea or if I can sign up to work on an existing idea |
| 04:35.39 | suvorov | Google seems to be set on having to submit an idea just to register |
| 04:35.46 | suvorov | but Debian doesn't seem to require it (?) |
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| 04:37.28 | valorie | suvorov: the ideas page is ideas |
| 04:37.46 | valorie | usually a student takes that idea and makes a proposal out of it |
| 04:38.12 | valorie | in fact, original ideas by new students are rarely welcome |
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| 04:38.39 | valorie | by established contributors who are also students, much more welcome |
| 04:38.41 | terri | suvorov: Usually signing up for an existing idea is encouraged, but you still have to build a proposal around that idea based on how youâd work on it |
| 04:38.58 | suvorov_ | Oh I see |
| 04:40.37 | suvorov_ | Somethings wonky going on with the IRC... I was suvorov but now i'm suvorov_ |
| 04:40.38 | suvorov_ | weird |
| 04:40.44 | suvorov_ | with the client* |
| 04:40.49 | valorie | you pinged out |
| 04:40.54 | valorie | just change your nick |
| 04:41.11 | valorie | 21:40] <-- suvorov (9b297ed5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.155.41.126.213) has left this server (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). |
| 04:41.18 | valorie | a moment ago |
| 04:41.46 | terri | suvorov_: you might want to take a look at what other studetns have put up on the debian wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2015/StudentApplications |
| 04:42.02 | olly | we've previously had successfully projects suggested by the students themselves |
| 04:42.22 | valorie | oops, I'd better change my stock answer then |
| 04:42.23 | suvorov | Thanks terri , I'm looking at that rn |
| 04:42.31 | olly | but the idea needs to be relevant to the org - having an idea and trying to find an org to cram it into isn't a good approach |
| 04:42.43 | valorie | for sure |
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| 04:42.57 | olly | if a student looks at the project and thinks "that's cool, but it'd be awesome if it did X" |
| 04:43.26 | suvorov | haha sounds cool. but I think I'll stick to existing project ideas until i get some more experience XD |
| 04:43.29 | olly | e.g. adding Python 3 support to SWIG |
| 04:43.30 | terri | suvorov: you might also want to look at the proposals in the GSoC Student Guide, since at a glance through the ones on the debian wiki, none of them really have good timelines. Hereâs an example of a good one: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch027_proposal-example-1/ |
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| 04:44.11 | terri | really, the whole student guide is worth a read if you havenât had the chance yet. Lots of tips for writing good applications and getting mentors excited about working with you. :) |
| 04:44.31 | olly | valorie: it's like true that some orgs aren't really interested in such ideas though |
| 04:44.37 | olly | *likely |
| 04:45.10 | suvorov | woah... that's way out of my level... this isn't such a good idea for entry-level CS work is it? |
| 04:45.34 | valorie | I've not heard of us (kde) welcoming those from new students |
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| 04:46.24 | terri | olly: yeah, Mailman has had great ideas proposed by students that worked out brilliantly⦠but also a lot of ideas from new students werenât suitable or interesting to mentors. |
| 04:47.21 | olly | yes, i'd concur totally with that |
| 04:47.43 | suvorov | So as someone with entry-level experience, any chance I could get an internship with GSoC working on existing project ideas? |
| 04:47.46 | terri | suvorov: gsoc projects span anyone in post-secondary education. So some projects are totally entry level CS work, and some are even graduate level! |
| 04:49.14 | terri | suvorov: many projects specifically save slots for entry-level projects because they want to have an opportunity to work with new contributors who donât have much experience, so youâre a prime candidate even with little experience! |
| 04:49.49 | suvorov | Hmm... maybe. But it'll take some work figuring out which organizations are offering entry-level and which aren't |
| 04:49.49 | terri | when I was working with Systers, we actually rejected applications from prospective students who were too experienced for the project, or steered them to harder work |
| 04:50.33 | suvorov | and I can't figure out a good way to sieve those with only a list of existing projects :\ |
| 04:50.39 | terri | suvorov: Google asks all orgs to have some entry-level ones, so thereâs usually at least a couple available. They encourage us to list difficulties, so sometimes itâs pretty easy to tell what they are. :) |
| 04:52.37 | suvorov | Also, is the stipend determined by the orgs individually? Because I read about one for Debian and (probably mistakenly) assumed that would be universal.. |
| 04:53.08 | terri | Two ideas lists with difficulty listings that I happen to know about: Mailman: http://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google_Summer_of_Code_2015 as Minnowboard: http://elinux.org/Minnowboard:GSoC2015 |
| 04:53.27 | terri | stipend is universal, determined by Google. I think itâs up to $6k this year? |
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| 04:54.30 | olly | terri: it's US$5500 for the student |
| 04:54.50 | suvorov | I read 5.5. But as an entry-level, I'm prioritizing putting work-experience and past projects on my resume XD |
| 04:55.03 | suvorov | How many people apply and how many people get accepted every year? |
| 04:55.09 | suvorov | Does anyone know? |
| 04:55.38 | valorie | !numapps |
| 04:55.38 | gsocbot | valorie: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs. 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 05:01.19 | suvorov | cool. am I allowed to submit multiple proposals to multiple orgs? and what happens if multiple proposals get chosen? |
| 05:02.00 | olly | you get to do one of them |
| 05:02.19 | olly | possibly you get a say as to which, but don't count on it |
| 05:02.37 | olly | it's assumed students only apply for projects they want to do |
| 05:02.57 | olly | if you have a preference, tell the orgs |
| 05:03.04 | olly | or at least the org for the one you prefer |
| 05:03.57 | olly | personally we wouldn't reject a student we wanted because they'd prefer to go elsewhere, but I can see why students sometimes worry about that |
| 05:04.49 | suvorov | So I could apply to multiple orgs... but I should keep the numbers down and let them all know what im doing and what my priorities are |
| 05:04.51 | suvorov | yes? |
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| 05:08.19 | olly | yes |
| 05:08.46 | olly | 1 or 2 proposals is sensible |
| 05:09.21 | olly | more than that and they're going to be lower quality |
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| 05:19.59 | suvorov | Okay. Thank you very much for all your help terri , olly , and valorie |
| 05:20.13 | suvorov | Time for me to look through that giant list of orgs XD |
| 05:20.15 | suvorov | Any tips? |
| 05:20.27 | suvorov | In general for a newcomer |
| 05:20.33 | valorie | you can search by tags |
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| 05:21.49 | suvorov | Do any names stand out as beginner-friendly? And do any stand out as beginner unfriendly? |
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| 05:24.18 | valorie | I know my own org well |
| 05:24.22 | valorie | not the others |
| 05:24.27 | valorie | (KDE) |
| 05:26.36 | suvorov | Fair enough. Thank you very much guys ^^ |
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| 09:34.01 | rjcrystal | hello guys |
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| 09:55.41 | |Kev| | And that's an hour spent reviewing a teaser patch. What a way to start Saturday. |
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| 09:57.28 | FlowRiser | |Kev|, a teaser patch? what is that xD |
| 09:58.39 | |Kev| | FlowRiser: One of the patches students write as part of their application. |
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| 09:59.36 | FlowRiser | First time I ever heard the term "teaser" used |
| 10:00.30 | |Kev| | I've been using the term for years, and I don't /think/ I coined it. |
| 10:00.35 | gevaerts | We tried taser tasks for a while, but they seemed to scare the students away |
| 10:00.48 | gevaerts | Teaser tasks are a lot better |
| 10:01.12 | |Kev| | :D |
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| 10:01.44 | tbr | had some students fail horribly at trivial teaser tasks |
| 10:02.25 | |Kev| | This year I bothered to have a StyleGuide written up, and even to link to it from the Teaser Task list. It's surprising the number of students who then ignore it. |
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| 10:05.09 | FlowRiser | How awful can it actually be? xD |
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| 10:05.28 | |Kev| | The styleguide? It's not particularly harsh - https://github.com/swift/swift/wiki/Coding-Style |
| 10:06.21 | FlowRiser | Indeed, pretty standard |
| 10:07.42 | FlowRiser | When you have to restructure/restyle a couple of thousand of lines of code just to read, it you kinda get the importance of writing the code in the same style |
| 10:08.44 | gevaerts | hmmm |
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| 10:09.29 | gevaerts | |Kev|: isn't the "" vs <> thing for includes more a matter of semantics than style? |
| 10:10.07 | |Kev| | gevaerts: It is. Using <> makes it easier to restructure the codebase, though. |
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| 10:10.34 | |Kev| | gevaerts: That one wasn't my rule, it was chosen by my previous co-project-lead, but I don't see much reason to change it. |
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| 10:11.22 | gevaerts | |Kev|: until you meet one of those weird systems that actually differentiates between headers and include files :) |
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| 10:19.21 | acad | do kde mentors look at whether we have written patches before selecting us? |
| 10:19.41 | Nightrose | acad: you should mention it in your proposal if you did |
| 10:20.06 | Nightrose | if you did not yet it's a good idea to do so now :) |
| 10:20.11 | acad | if i haven't would I not be selected? |
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| 10:20.33 | Nightrose | we have no policy but it does lower your chances |
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| 10:21.08 | sas_ | Hello, what documents am I suppose to submit, before submitting my proposal? |
| 10:21.13 | Nightrose | also good is if you can point to patches in other projects |
| 10:21.20 | acad | Nightrose: what if I have written a few patches but they haven't been committed to master since KDE was in a development freeze? |
| 10:21.21 | Nightrose | basically anythign that shows you can do what you tell us you can |
| 10:21.33 | prth | sas_, !faq |
| 10:21.35 | Nightrose | then point to those. that is just as fine |
| 10:21.52 | prth | sas_, gsocbot, !faq |
| 10:22.14 | acad | Nightrose: do you also look at how good the patches are? |
| 10:22.36 | acad | my mentor hasn't reviewed the patches yet |
| 10:22.49 | garvitdelhi | !faq | sas_ |
| 10:22.49 | gsocbot | sas_: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
| 10:22.57 | Nightrose | we recognize that gsoc is a learning experience. so we do not expect perfection |
| 10:23.14 | prth | thanks, garvitdelhi |
| 10:23.29 | garvitdelhi | yw :) |
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| 10:24.20 | acad | Nightrose: what else do you look for before deciding whether to take a student? |
| 10:24.30 | Nightrose | * timeline |
| 10:24.33 | Nightrose | * enthusiasm |
| 10:24.38 | Nightrose | * are they in it for the long run |
| 10:24.56 | Nightrose | * do they look like they'll be good community members |
| 10:25.02 | Nightrose | * realistic plan |
| 10:25.20 | Nightrose | * usefulness of the proposed work |
| 10:25.29 | Nightrose | * do we have a mentor who is enthusiastic about it |
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| 10:26.24 | garvitdelhi | Nightrose, thank you even i am going for kde and this will help me also :) |
| 10:26.40 | acad | Nightrose: so do you check IRC logs and mailing list logs to find out about the conversations of a student? |
| 10:26.42 | Nightrose | :) |
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| 10:27.17 | Nightrose | acad: we trust the mentor to say if they think the student is actively involved |
| 10:27.36 | Nightrose | i can not check this for all our applications ;-) |
| 10:27.52 | acad | Nightrose: then who gets a final say as to whether the student is selected or not? |
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| 10:28.00 | Nightrose | the admin team |
| 10:28.08 | Nightrose | with heavy input by the mentors |
| 10:28.54 | acad | Nightrose: if the mentor seems happy with my proposal, does this mean that he would recommend me to the admin team? |
| 10:29.17 | Nightrose | i'd hope so |
| 10:30.19 | acad | Nightrose: so do you rank a proposal the moment you read it? |
| 10:30.27 | Nightrose | no |
| 10:30.41 | acad | how do you go about it then? |
| 10:31.15 | Nightrose | mentors comment on proposals as they come in |
| 10:31.23 | Nightrose | to help the student polish it |
| 10:31.44 | Nightrose | when all proposals are in after the deadline we have a big spreadsheet where all teams evaluate their proposals |
| 10:31.58 | Nightrose | the admin team then takes that to come up with an overall selection for all of kde |
| 10:33.27 | garvitdelhi | Nightrose, do KDE have in mind to have maximum X number of proposals or they vary on the quality of proposals? |
| 10:33.53 | Nightrose | we'll evaluate proposals and then decide on how many slots to ask for |
| 10:34.00 | acad | Nightrose: i see. I haven't received any comments on melange on about my proposal. I have got it reviewed by 2 mentors in my subproject, and one from another kde mentor. |
| 10:34.20 | acad | would kde admins comment on it before the deadline? |
| 10:34.20 | Nightrose | acad: as long as you get feedback that's good |
| 10:34.57 | Nightrose | possibly but it really depends. i rarely do |
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| 10:35.11 | Nightrose | (because others are better at it) |
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| 10:36.49 | acad | Nightrose: also my mentor told me that he would push for two slots this year. i am kinda anxious to know whether i would be selected. does his willingness to push for two slots mean that he likes my proposal? |
| 10:37.37 | Nightrose | i can't tell you more, sorry. i realize you're all anxious about being selected or not. But until you have the email from google that says you are selected or not it is all up in the air |
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| 10:38.13 | Nightrose | do your best and keep your fingers crossed :) |
| 10:38.28 | garvitdelhi | waiting for that email on 27th April :) |
| 10:38.36 | acad | thanks Nightrose , would I be informed if I am not selected? |
| 10:38.46 | gevaerts | acad: if your proposal is about something the organisation actually does, your chances of being selected are higher than average. That's basically as much as people can tell you :) |
| 10:39.03 | Nightrose | acad: everyone gets an email as far as i know |
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| 10:39.42 | acad | gevaerts: i don't think I get what you mean. |
| 10:40.40 | garvitdelhi | Nightrose, my mentor is not able to see my proposal on melange any idea about how can he see it |
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| 10:41.43 | Nightrose | garvitdelhi: is he approved as a mentor? if this is in kde can you say who it is? |
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| 10:42.07 | garvitdelhi | it is Alexander Semke in KDE pm of LabPlot |
| 10:42.21 | Nightrose | ok let me check |
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| 10:43.19 | gevaerts | acad: basically, if you submit a proposal for a generic idea to a random organisation, you won't get selected. If your proposal is on-topic, you can get selected, but you won't know more than that |
| 10:43.22 | Nightrose | garvitdelhi: ok so the issue is that his mentor request has not been approved yet. is he on irc? |
| 10:43.50 | garvitdelhi | No he is not and mostly answers on mailing lists or hangouts |
| 10:44.17 | acad | gevaerts: yes I have submitted a proposal for a project listed on the ideas page for kde. I haven't proposed my own project. |
| 10:44.38 | Nightrose | garvitdelhi: ok thx. i'll get in touch with him |
| 10:44.46 | garvitdelhi | thanks:) |
| 10:44.50 | sas_ | why I'm not able to see anything in Dashboard->proposals. It just says "Drag proposal to order them" |
| 10:45.13 | sas_ | I've submitted enrollment form |
| 10:45.27 | gevaerts | acad: there's actually a fairly important difference between "your own idea" and "a generic idea" :) |
| 10:45.39 | Corey84 | sas_, how long ago you submit it ? |
| 10:45.53 | sas_ | Corey84: just now. |
| 10:46.24 | sas_ | also in important documents, it shows nothing |
| 10:46.26 | acad | gevaerts: all the proposals listed on the ideas page of kde aren't generic at all. |
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| 10:47.24 | gevaerts | acad: By "a generic idea" I mean "I have this idea, let's pick some random organisations to pitch it to" |
| 10:47.35 | gevaerts | a.k.a. spam :) |
| 10:48.18 | Corey84 | sas_, give it 15-30 mins likely not synced on the server yet |
| 10:48.35 | sas_ | ok |
| 10:49.02 | acad | gevaerts: oh no! I am not spamming. I have researched well about one of the sub project under KDE and proposed a plan specific to that |
| 10:49.22 | Corey84 | sas_, especially thru the 27th when thousands of applicants are hitting servers worldwide that may not be instant |
| 10:50.13 | sas_ | ok, I'll make sure I submit before 27th |
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| 10:51.29 | Corey84 | is part of fedoraproject and we have been getting hit heavy with proposals even |
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| 10:55.13 | olly | sas_: the button to submit a proposal is on the front page, not in the dashboard |
| 10:55.57 | sas_ | olly: I just now got that. Thanks anyways |
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| 13:32.50 | qwebirc1020406 | hi i chose aproect in BRL-Cad Organization and i need help |
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| 13:38.36 | abcad | whats your question qwebirc1020406 |
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| 13:40.19 | abcad | till when would we know if our proof of enrolment document is correct? |
| 13:40.49 | abcad | I read that melange would request for other documents if it wasn't accepted, so I was asking till when would we know about this? |
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| 13:44.30 | coderabhi | Hello have the mentoring organizations started accepting student proposals? |
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| 13:45.16 | abcad | coderabhi: !next | gsocbot |
| 13:45.37 | abcad | !next |
| 13:45.38 | gsocbot | abcad: "next" is GSoC student applications close on 27 March at 19:00 UTC |
| 13:45.58 | abcad | coderabhi: | !next |
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| 13:46.30 | aahmed_ | i started aproject on BRL-CAD Organization and i don't know where to get started to download the source code of this prog |
| 13:46.34 | abcad | coderabhi | !next |
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| 13:47.00 | nourin | is it alright if my answer get a bit long while answering questions like " why do you want to participate in gsoc this year" ? |
| 13:47.47 | abcad | nourin: as long as the answer is convincing its fine |
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| 13:48.05 | abcad | aahmed_: you have to read about it in BRL CAD website |
| 13:48.07 | garvitdelhi | !next coderabhi |
| 13:48.08 | gsocbot | garvitdelhi: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
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| 13:48.16 | garvitdelhi | !next | coderabhi |
| 13:48.17 | gsocbot | coderabhi: "next" is GSoC student applications close on 27 March at 19:00 UTC |
| 13:48.26 | abcad | thanks garvitdelhi |
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| 13:48.36 | garvitdelhi | yw :) |
| 13:48.54 | nourin | abcad : thanks :) |
| 13:49.01 | abcad | garvitdelhi: which project are you applying for? |
| 13:49.19 | garvitdelhi | i think we should take this to pm :P |
| 13:49.40 | aahmed_ | okay is there any examples for proposal to help me write t (-_-) |
| 13:50.12 | abcad | aahmed_: answers to all your questions are available on the internet if you search enough :) |
| 13:50.20 | abcad | aahmed_: there are sample proposals available too |
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| 13:50.40 | nourin | aahmed : http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch027_proposal-example-1/ |
| 13:50.56 | nourin | aahmed_ : http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch028_proposal-example-2/ |
| 13:51.42 | aahmed_ | thank nourin |
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| 14:24.33 | Kyzz | As a student what kind of things should be included in a proposal? |
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| 14:28.54 | perepujal | Kyzz: The idea of the project as detailed as possible, a study on what this idea needs to be implemented, a timeline on how and when do plan to implement, a bio with your skills, possibly focussed to the idea, etc, etc |
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| 14:30.16 | Kyzz | perepujal: Should I be speaking to the org to develop an idea for a proposal ? |
| 14:30.17 | perepujal | basically you should convince the mentors that they want to spend their time with you instead of with another student |
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| 14:30.30 | gevaerts | !studentguide | Kyzz |
| 14:30.30 | gsocbot | Kyzz: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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| 14:33.41 | Kyzz | gevaerts: That page won't load for me unfortunately |
| 14:35.42 | Valodim | indeed it doesn't |
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| 14:35.45 | Valodim | just wait til it's back up |
| 14:36.27 | garvitdelhi | hey, is there any limit on number of revisions on a particular proposal? |
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| 14:42.14 | rnikhil275 | And will the mentor be notified(Some kind of popup) whenever I edit my proposal ? |
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| 14:43.57 | perepujal | Other years yes, we got an email each time a proposal was modified, also an email for each comment on a proposal |
| 14:44.34 | garvitdelhi | perepujal, what about limit? |
| 14:44.47 | perepujal | just don't know |
| 14:44.53 | garvitdelhi | okay |
| 14:45.00 | Valodim | the limit is the deadline |
| 14:45.12 | garvitdelhi | thanks :) |
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| 14:46.31 | Kyzz | perepujal: Do you have any any suggestions on orgs to look into? I know Java Python and C__ |
| 14:46.33 | brlcad | quetzalcatalyst: you should ask your questions in #brlcad or on their mailing list |
| 14:47.02 | Kyzz | (there's just quite a few on the list) |
| 14:47.45 | perepujal | Kyzz: what is your area of interest? there are so many orgs out there |
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| 14:48.29 | Kyzz | I was looking for Openhatch on the list but it seems they aren't on there this year. I would say education, and anything Java or Python based I suppose (if thats what you were asking) |
| 14:50.44 | Niharika | Kyzz: OH participates under the PSF umbrella. |
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| 14:51.09 | Kyzz | Niharika: Are they this year? I was looking under the PSF umbrella but didn't see them |
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| 14:51.30 | Niharika | Kyzz: I'm not sure. Ask on their IRC channel? |
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| 14:51.56 | Kyzz | Niharika: I shall |
| 14:53.04 | crusher_e0bc | i had submitted my proposal and said Data saved successfully but it did not actually submitted |
| 14:53.17 | crusher_e0bc | what can be the issue |
| 14:53.18 | crusher_e0bc | ? |
| 14:55.29 | Niharika | crusher_e0bc: How do you know it didn't submit? Does it show under My Dashboard > Proposals? |
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| 14:55.39 | perepujal | crusher_e0bc: wait 5 minutes and reload, if your proposal is not there, ask in #melange |
| 14:55.40 | crusher_e0bc | no it does not |
| 14:56.11 | crusher_e0bc | ya it has been over an hour |
| 14:56.24 | crusher_e0bc | okay thanks |
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| 15:52.20 | rubbersheep | good morning everyone |
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| 15:53.27 | rubbersheep | i finished writing my proposal in markdown and realized that melange does not support markdown format |
| 15:54.10 | rubbersheep | am i wrong? is there a way to submit a file instead of the text-area? |
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| 16:02.55 | ashumystery | hey there |
| 16:02.59 | ashumystery | i need help |
| 16:03.25 | rubbersheep | hello |
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| 16:03.45 | ashumystery | i want some help in freenode |
| 16:03.50 | ashumystery | can someone help me |
| 16:04.31 | rubbersheep | what is it that you need help with? |
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| 16:07.06 | ashumystery | i register my nick name with email |
| 16:07.21 | ashumystery | but todau i login it shows that this nick name is not registered |
| 16:07.26 | Valodim | if you have problems with the network, please ask in #freenode |
| 16:07.27 | ashumystery | hows that |
| 16:07.39 | ashumystery | how should i permanently register it |
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| 17:00.26 | agaurav77 | should i necessarily include my contact details in my proposal? |
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| 17:00.55 | agaurav77 | what about experience with open source and university/college info? |
| 17:01.05 | agaurav77 | do i need to include that? |
| 17:01.31 | agaurav77 | i feel that orgs may get this info from Google |
| 17:01.32 | meflin | talk to your org each one will be different |
| 17:01.47 | meflin | nope |
| 17:02.25 | agaurav77 | i sent a pdf of my proposal to my mentor... and he said it looks nice... even though i didnt include any contact info, open source experience or college details |
| 17:02.45 | meflin | you should be asking your mentor |
| 17:03.16 | agaurav77 | uhm right |
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| 17:03.58 | agaurav77 | he's a little busy however... it isn't obvious stuff right? |
| 17:04.16 | meflin | nope not obvious |
| 17:04.25 | meflin | each org uses there own rules |
| 17:04.35 | agaurav77 | meflin : thanks a lot |
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| 18:03.20 | monokles | GSoC 2015: Students can begin submitting required code samples to Google << what exactly is meant by this event? What code samples? |
| 18:03.39 | PulkoMandy | this is to make lawyers at google happy |
| 18:03.47 | meflin | at the end you upload the code you made |
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| 18:04.05 | PulkoMandy | technically the students work for google, and they need to provide some "deliverable" at the end |
| 18:04.11 | monokles | why not simply include a link to your github account :P |
| 18:04.17 | PulkoMandy | (so it is not just giving money away to random people) |
| 18:04.18 | meflin | no they do not |
| 18:04.29 | PulkoMandy | they keep the code for archiving purposes or something |
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| 18:05.28 | monokles | eh oh well, if it is just the code i'll be writing for my project all is well I guess |
| 18:05.57 | monokles | was afraid for a second they meant something like "here's a puzzle, you have 1 week to solve it and upload your solution, if not you don't get paid. HAVE FUN" |
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| 18:07.02 | ujjwal | heh :) |
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| 20:29.25 | dp_ | I just have one question. what will be content of the application that need to be submitted on melange page. Is it the same application that we have created on the fedora wiki page? As First we need to create an application on fedora wiki page as given on this link.. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_Guide_students. Then we will go this page : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2015/Student_Application_Process. here is a mention on application that |
| 20:29.25 | dp_ | need to be submitted on the melange page.My doubt is the "application" mentioned on both of these pages are same or different? if Different, what should be the content of the application mentioned on the later one? |
| 20:29.43 | dp_ | I want to apply for the fedora project |
| 20:30.14 | |Kev| | Then you should talk to the Fedora people. |
| 20:30.32 | |Kev| | They get to decide what they want in your application. |
| 20:31.51 | dp_ | I asked there, they are telling I should ask to #gsoc. |
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| 20:32.14 | teepee | well, then you might have asked people not involved in fedora gsoc |
| 20:32.17 | dp_ | I don't have any idea What should I do now. |
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| 20:32.32 | teepee | it's really a decision of the org what to expect |
| 20:32.37 | |Kev| | dp_: I imagine the people who asked didn't understand what you were asking, or aren't the right people to give an answer. |
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| 20:32.44 | teepee | google does not care about the content of the proposal |
| 20:32.58 | |Kev| | dp_: Because the only people who can tell you what they want in the proposal are the Fedora GSoC admins/mentors. |
| 20:33.09 | teepee | they expect the orgs to decide which ones are to be selected |
| 20:34.57 | dp_ | They have a channel named fedora-summer-coding for resolving doubts related to GSoc. So I believe I have asked at right pleace. I am asking there from yesterday. and Got one response a few hours ago telling I should ask to #gsoc. Ok I will keep trying to ask there again. |
| 20:35.57 | teepee | dp_: in general, you need to submit *something* on melange so that will count as offical proposal |
| 20:36.33 | teepee | I think if the org is ok with that it might be even just a pointer to some wiki of the org or something |
| 20:36.52 | dp_ | teepee: Is it necessary to mention the timeline of the project in proposal? |
| 20:37.12 | |Kev| | dp_: That's up to the org you're applying to. They get to choose what they want in their proposals. |
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| 20:37.15 | teepee | dp_: if you would apply for something I'd mentor, yes. |
| 20:37.24 | teepee | but I have no idea what fedora requires |
| 20:37.49 | teepee | they might have different expectations, which is why they should not point you to #gsoc for fedora specific questions |
| 20:38.08 | teepee | maybe specifically ask for people that are going to mentor the fedora projects |
| 20:39.28 | dp_ | I have given a link in the above post, where they just telling that I need to submit any previous FOSS experience and detailed plan for summer on the melange page. I have asked to mentor, they told to ask on the summer coding channel. |
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| 20:40.42 | teepee | dp_: that's unfortunate, but the people here are mostly students or mentors of other projects, so how can we answer what fedora wants? |
| 20:40.55 | teepee | you'll find plenty of general information or help here |
| 20:41.31 | teepee | but if you pick a project then one of the prospective mentors would hopefully find the time to answer specific questions |
| 20:41.51 | teepee | dp_: if you haven't seen it yet, you can check the student guide |
| 20:41.58 | teepee | !studentguide | dp_ |
| 20:41.59 | gsocbot | dp_: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 20:42.20 | teepee | that has lots of information how gsoc works in general |
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| 20:43.22 | dp_ | teepee: ok. While Writing the time line I just need too mention the work I will do in the given 13 weeks or I need to mention all the Details like of the whole GSOC period like what I will do during community bonding period etc? |
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| 20:44.08 | |Kev| | dp_: It depends what the org wants. |
| 20:44.09 | teepee | again, I could only tell you what we'd expect in our proposals, I can't speak for fedora |
| 20:44.31 | dp_ | I am not asking for fedora. I am asking in general |
| 20:44.41 | teepee | in general more information is better than less, but still we can't really help with the fedora specifics |
| 20:44.56 | |Kev| | dp_: But every org wants different things in their proposals, and has a different template. |
| 20:45.10 | |Kev| | dp_: Other than saying "This is your chance to sell yourself, make it as good as you can", there's not much to say here. |
| 20:45.40 | teepee | indeed, show you have shought about the project you are proposing |
| 20:46.04 | teepee | for me a good detailed timeline shows the student has really thought about how to work on the topic |
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| 20:46.20 | |Kev| | dp_: Imagine you were interviewing for a summer job, and these were people's applications. |
| 20:46.35 | dp_ | Ok if they haven't mentioned about writing time line in there proposal template then Should I write that in the proposal? |
| 20:46.50 | dp_ | http://wiki.nwtime.org/GSoC/WebHome |
| 20:46.59 | dp_ | consider the above template |
| 20:47.11 | dp_ | Should I write the Time line in this ? |
| 20:48.50 | dp_ | Because they have not mentioned any thing about time line. What if I will write about that and it give a bad impression? while not writing time line may give a chance to get selected? |
| 20:49.57 | |Kev| | That's something youad have to decide for yourself. Personally, I'd try to write as full a proposal as I could, but I'd be sure to follow their template as much as possible. |
| 20:50.19 | |Kev| | But they also tell you to talk to them on their mailing list, so the appropriate thing to do would be to talk to them there. |
| 20:51.35 | dp_ | ok i'll try. thank for support |
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