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| 00:18.27 | aliyasar | Do you know Google will pay for flying ticket or house etc. participants of Google Summer of Code? |
| 00:19.04 | downey | aliyasar: there's no where to go :) |
| 00:19.32 | downey | Students work where they are |
| 00:21.42 | monokles | should introduce a google summer of code camping edition where everyone just brings a tent, laptop, and lots of caffeine and then work on projects on the spot for like 2 weeks straight |
| 00:22.01 | aviraldg | That would be *awesome* :) |
| 00:23.16 | mridul_seth | +1 |
| 00:23.33 | otterly | just don't forget internet ;) |
| 00:23.44 | teepee | there are things like that (maybe not 2 weeks, but still) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp |
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| 00:24.08 | teepee | but for GSoC I think the current version works quite well |
| 00:24.43 | teepee | like worldwide and such :) |
| 00:25.00 | monokles | in my country there's campzone .. that's gaming only afaik though |
| 00:25.53 | teepee | aliyasar: you could still ask your org if there are some possibilities for travel |
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| 00:28.33 | Guest42721 | Hey everyone, what are some good projects/organizations for a first year student that only knows intermediate c++ but is willing to learn? |
| 00:29.23 | chobe_ | Guest42721: Gnome maybe? They're really nice and supportive I hear |
| 00:29.58 | teepee | Guest42721: just filter the org list by c++ and check the project ideas. all will have a hint about the skill level required |
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| 00:35.16 | Faker | where i can find the list ideas please ? |
| 00:36.10 | teepee | Faker: you have the list of orgs from the gsoc main page? |
| 00:36.30 | teepee | every org page has a link to the project idea page |
| 00:38.07 | Faker | thkx bro :) |
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| 01:23.32 | gsocstudent | Don't people just copy paste the organisation's project description to "Abstract" ? |
| 01:24.02 | gsocstudent | how sophisticated can a proposal be, if the project is only about testing a few algorithms ? |
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| 01:36.03 | omarzapata | Hi alI I have a question, I need some days to get my proof of enrollment, can I upload a empty file while my university give to me it? |
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| 01:52.16 | aviraldg | gsocstudent: No, since most organization *ideas* are not long enough/detailed enough to be converted into *projects* directly. |
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| 01:52.48 | quetzalcatalyst | hey guys, is an unofficial transcript an acceptable proof of enrollment for students? |
| 01:53.10 | aviraldg | quetzalcatalyst: probably not |
| 01:53.18 | gsocstudent | Oh I see, so we are expected to provide all the details of how we can save the world |
| 01:53.30 | gsocstudent | that's beautiful |
| 01:53.49 | gsocstudent | I thought mentors were supposed to hold your hand and teach you |
| 01:54.05 | aviraldg | omarzapata: why not simply use your org's template to draft a proposal with your mentor until then? |
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| 01:55.07 | aviraldg | yes, but you have to have a concrete set of things to work on, some idea about how you'll approach them, and so on. These are things orgs' ideas pages do not mention, but you're expected to come up with for proposals. |
| 01:55.13 | omarzapata | yes |
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| 01:55.42 | omarzapata | Thanks aviraldg |
| 01:56.18 | aviraldg | has already uploaded valid proof of enrollment but is still drafting externally |
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| 01:57.54 | olly | gsocstudent: dig into what the project will involve; if you need assistance doing so, talk to the mentors |
| 01:58.14 | olly | the org will want to see how to approach things and how you interact with people |
| 01:58.39 | olly | the most brilliant coder who can't talk to people makes a poor gsoc student |
| 01:58.56 | olly | can say that from direct experience |
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| 02:16.10 | butterfly__ | can we update our proposal ? |
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| 02:17.56 | aviraldg | butterfly__: yes |
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| 03:32.53 | digitalextremist | Was that one Bundler project proposal the only proposal that has yet happened? |
| 03:33.38 | digitalextremist | *for Ruby |
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| 04:32.56 | gsocbot | bshah: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs. 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
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| 05:33.56 | dp_ | Can anyone please tell me that Is it necessary to write the Timeline in GSOC proposal? |
| 05:34.08 | dp_ | Please it's really Urgent. |
| 05:35.53 | olly | dp_: ask the org you're submitting it to |
| 05:36.34 | olly | I'd imagine most would want a timeline, but only they can say for sure what they require |
| 05:37.23 | dp_ | olly: I have been informed by someone that if I will not Write the Time line , then google automatically reject the Project. Isn't that the case? |
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| 05:37.49 | olly | google probably won't even look at your proposal |
| 05:37.52 | dp_ | Someone here refers to a person who have already been involved in GSOC |
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| 05:39.29 | dp_ | OK that's really Nice answer. So all I need is to ask from the org and decide whether I need to write the timeline or Not. right? if that so, it would be easy. |
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| 05:40.05 | olly | well, speaking as someone who's admined and mentored for several orgs, I'd be very dubious about accepting a proposal without a timeline |
| 05:40.20 | olly | it says to me that the student hasn't thought enough about the size of the project |
| 05:40.59 | olly | and even very experienced developers are bad at sizing projects from a high-level description, let alone student developers |
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| 05:42.16 | olly | but there's no requirement in the rules |
| 05:42.44 | dp_ | olly: I have talked to my mentor, He told me that it's a research project. So first I will give work and you are supposed to complete that and only after completion i can tell what will be the next topic to cover. So in that case , isn't it justified not to write the time line? |
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| 05:43.32 | olly | personally I'd want to see at least a sketch of the timeline |
| 05:43.41 | olly | but it's up to the org |
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| 05:43.51 | dp_ | OK. Thanks. |
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| 05:46.21 | valorie | I would mark a proposal without a timeline as a -1 |
| 05:46.31 | valorie | in other words, not worth considering |
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| 06:45.30 | arun1595 | i am a student who knows some Python.Can someone help me choose a project? Can i do this first of all? |
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| 06:47.18 | aviraldg | arun1595: #python-gsoc |
| 06:47.54 | aviraldg | Also, try filtering the org list by "python" |
| 06:48.26 | tbr | not all projects that offer python related ideas will show up though |
| 06:48.40 | tbr | ah, he left, tough luck for me. |
| 06:49.21 | tbr | e.g. I doubt Xiph.org/Icecast shows up, but we have https://wiki.xiph.org/Summer_of_Code_2015#Let.27s_encrypt_for_Icecast |
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| 08:11.08 | andrei_ | Hello ! What's the deadline to submit proof of enrollment? |
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| 08:17.57 | valorie | andrei_: probably in the FAQ |
| 08:19.26 | andrei_ | As long as you are accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of 00:01 UTC on 27 April, 2015, you are eligible to participate in the program. Students will be asked by Google to provide proof of enrollment during registration. |
| 08:19.53 | andrei_ | this is all that I previously found |
| 08:20.25 | valorie | that seems to explain, no? |
| 08:20.36 | valorie | you can edit your proposal until the deadline |
| 08:21.49 | andrei_ | hm, valorie, sorry, I haven't been clear. Melange asks you to upload the enrollment in order to submit a proposal |
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| 08:22.01 | valorie | so do that |
| 08:22.23 | andrei_ | but I don't have the enrollment proof yet, as I'm accepted into a study program. I have emailed my university a week ago but they haven't responded yet |
| 08:22.28 | valorie | if it isn't correct, you'll be asked for different/more |
| 08:22.34 | andrei_ | ah, awesome |
| 08:22.38 | andrei_ | that's what I wanted |
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| 08:29.34 | kasper512 | Hallo, |
| 08:29.54 | kasper512 | I've problem |
| 08:32.12 | kasper512 | No, I've not problem now |
| 08:32.15 | kasper512 | tahnks :D |
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| 10:19.26 | lavii | how we have to make a first contact to the organizations ? before or after the proposal submition |
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| 10:20.58 | kblin | I'd talk to your org as soon as possible |
| 10:20.58 | gevaerts | lavii: I know some organisations really want to have heard from you before they see the proposal |
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| 10:22.00 | kblin | speaking of proposals, I guess melange still doesn't show diffs if the proposal was updated? |
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| 10:23.49 | olly | kblin: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=515 was closed as fixed, which suggests it now does |
| 10:24.34 | olly | if not, someone should reopen |
| 10:24.53 | devunt | Are accredited Language School students have eligibility to participate GSoC? |
| 10:25.16 | kblin | !eligible | devunt |
| 10:25.16 | gsocbot | devunt: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on |
| 10:26.39 | kblin | most notably "Does your country consider that institution to be a valid university/college/etc capable of bestowing academic awards?" |
| 10:27.28 | kblin | for the school where I'm currently learning danish, that's not the case, so I'm not eligible as a student |
| 10:27.41 | kblin | which is good, seeing how I already signed up as a mentor |
| 10:28.05 | kblin | also, speaking of my danish lectures, still need to finish my homework |
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| 10:30.50 | lejenome1 | is Writing a (non-existing) client to a project accepted? (I mean writing a cli client to github?) |
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| 10:31.21 | kblin | lejenome1: what mentoring org would mentor that? |
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| 10:31.33 | lejenome1 | kblin: github |
| 10:31.47 | kblin | lejenome1: basically, if in doubt, always talk to you mentoring org |
| 10:32.42 | kblin | ah, didn't know that they were in gsoc this year :) |
| 10:32.44 | lejenome1 | kblin: I noticed that they refused an iOS client because GSoC may refuse a new (non-exicting) project |
| 10:32.55 | kblin | ? |
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| 10:33.20 | kblin | whatever coding project your mentoring org wants to accept is fine |
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| 10:33.33 | andrei_ | lejenomel: have you had any luck interracting with github? |
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| 10:33.46 | andrei_ | I have tried IRC, issues, mails ... |
| 10:34.15 | kblin | google's only rules are that it's got to be software development, and it's got to be doable in the timeframe |
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| 10:34.31 | kblin | everything else is up to the mentoring org |
| 10:34.42 | AndroUser | H |
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| 10:34.49 | lejenome1 | andrei_: they have a repo for that. Just wanted to check if new project are accpeted before opening an issue |
| 10:35.03 | kblin | it's their call |
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| 10:35.11 | lejenome1 | ok, thnx |
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| 10:36.03 | kblin | as far as I read the ideas page, github is actually an umbrella org for a bunch of OSS orgs |
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| 10:36.35 | kblin | they might not be interested in or have the mentors for anything not on their list, but it's github's call |
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| 10:37.03 | kblin | as far as google is concerned, GSoC rules certainly allow writing new stuff |
| 10:37.20 | kblin | not that I speak for google, but I have read the ToS |
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| 10:39.09 | AndroUser | H j |
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| 10:39.47 | AndroUser | What is up with AFSiS |
| 10:39.53 | AndroUser | They never reply |
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| 10:40.05 | AndroUser | No mailing list |
| 10:40.07 | AndroUser | No irc |
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| 10:40.29 | AndroUser | No previous source code |
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| 10:41.03 | AndroUser | Anyone got any reply from AFSiS? |
| 10:41.53 | andrei_ | are there any constraints for the orgs in terms of interraction? I mean, can they simply accept proposals and that's it? Without " |
| 10:41.58 | andrei_ | Without "saying anything" ? |
| 10:42.11 | AndroUser | That would be insane |
| 10:42.36 | AndroUser | Proposals are perfected by discussions |
| 10:42.43 | gevaerts | They're allowed to do that |
| 10:42.53 | gevaerts | I agree it doesn't seem like a good idea... |
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| 10:43.22 | AndroUser | Its a shot in the dark |
| 10:43.35 | AndroUser | Ive read their ideas page |
| 10:43.44 | AndroUser | Its more like a job application |
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| 10:44.05 | |Kev| | That bit sounds reasonable. |
| 10:44.13 | |Kev| | GSoC is evry much akin to a summer job. |
| 10:44.17 | AndroUser | It doesn't consider the fact that gsoc is a learning experience |
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| 10:45.26 | |Kev| | All job-like-things are learning experiences, though, no? |
| 10:45.33 | AndroUser | Haha |
| 10:45.36 | AndroUser | Yeah |
| 10:46.20 | AndroUser | I'm just saying that they should even reply that we got your mail |
| 10:46.49 | |Kev| | They said on their ideas page explicitly that they won't be responding to mails, and that they'll just be reading applications in isolation. |
| 10:47.14 | AndroUser | Didn't get the latter part |
| 10:47.16 | |Kev| | So, while I think that's a poor choice on their part, it shouldn't be unexpected. |
| 10:47.19 | AndroUser | What is isolation |
| 10:47.45 | |Kev| | "However, we will be reading your submissions, so that we can decide on a limited subset of students to engage with for further discussions and technical interviews." |
| 10:47.59 | |Kev| | Isolation - something on its own. |
| 10:48.07 | AndroUser | Oh |
| 10:48.27 | AndroUser | I think I should just hope for the best |
| 10:48.34 | |Kev| | So, reading their ideas page, it looks like they expect people to email them their application data, and they'll read the applications and respond to those students they're interested in, and ignore the ones they're not. |
| 10:49.03 | andrei_ | AndroUser : the best thing to do is avoid orgs that don't fit your principles, nothing else you can do .. actually |
| 10:49.17 | |Kev| | That's about the size of it. |
| 10:49.30 | AndroUser | Hmm |
| 10:49.31 | |Kev| | Find an org that you're comfortable working with, and you've enjoyed your interactions with. |
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| 10:50.05 | kblin | what |Kev| said |
| 10:50.29 | kblin | this also is a good heuristic when looking for jobs later |
| 10:50.30 | kblin | ;) |
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| 10:50.53 | |Kev| | It's how I've selected each of my choices since being an undergrad :) |
| 10:51.03 | AndroUser | :) |
| 10:51.47 | lavii | i am just beginner what i have to do and can anyone suggest me the oganization which is suitable for me. |
| 10:51.54 | |Kev| | (PhD because I enjoyed working with my supervisor as an undergrad, research project because it involved people I liked working with in the department, current job because it's with people I enjoyed working with in open standards stuff) |
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| 10:52.13 | |Kev| | lavii: No-one can suggest an org. for you, you need to select that for yourself. And read the student handbook for what to do. |
| 10:52.32 | lavii | thanks |
| 10:52.35 | |Kev| | http://en.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/ |
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| 10:53.54 | andrei_ | it's worth pointing out that most orgs not only are open to interract with students, but also value this as part of an application |
| 10:53.58 | andrei_ | so it's really not a limited choice. |
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| 10:54.44 | lavii | i read that, i also go for the idea pages of the some of the organizations but i will not able to understand what to do? i only know c language. |
| 10:55.03 | AndroUser | andrei_ I guess the main reason they don't want to interact is that there's nothing much to talk about |
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| 10:56.44 | AndroUser | I couldn't find related source code |
| 10:56.44 | andrei_ | I wouldn't know. Also, don't waste energy on dwelling about that. There's enough time to find something else and focus entirely on it. Good luck! |
| 10:57.00 | AndroUser | Thanks!! |
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| 11:00.10 | lmmx | are the projects all only in the U.S.? |
| 11:00.48 | |Kev| | AndroUser: You should really be excited about your applications, and working with the orgs you apply for. Not all orgs are a fit for all students (nor the reverse), but you should find a good fit from the selection available. |
| 11:00.50 | MatthewWilkes | lmmx: Why would you think that? |
| 11:00.57 | |Kev| | lmmx: No, where would you get that idea? |
| 11:01.16 | lmmx | all the ones I've clicked on so far are in the U.S |
| 11:01.45 | lmmx | (and Google is a U.S company and there's no mentor location shown in the listings) |
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| 11:01.52 | |Kev| | I'm not sure how you'd tell that. |
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| 11:03.07 | |Kev| | But you're certainly talking to a few non-US mentors at the moment. |
| 11:03.13 | MatthewWilkes | lmmx: I don't know why the place the organisation is registered for tax purposes would be relevant |
| 11:03.43 | MatthewWilkes | Lots of orgs are 'based' in Delaware despite there being nobody that is involved with the organisation having ever been to delaware |
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| 11:03.52 | lmmx | :-/ |
| 11:04.07 | rnikhil275 | Hi. My college ID card says it expires on 31-07-2015. That's the official end of the semester. For the next semester I will be getting a new ID card. Is this okay ? |
| 11:04.18 | |Kev| | !eligible: rnikhil275 |
| 11:04.19 | rnikhil275 | Or should i submit something else as a proof of enrollment ? |
| 11:04.25 | |Kev| | !eligible| rnikhil275 |
| 11:04.29 | |Kev| | Oh come on! |
| 11:04.32 | |Kev| | !eligible | rnikhil275 |
| 11:04.33 | gsocbot | rnikhil275: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on |
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| 11:04.41 | gevaerts | Yay! :) |
| 11:04.42 | MatthewWilkes | !this cookie | |Kev| |
| 11:04.42 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "this cookie" is for you |
| 11:04.50 | gevaerts | lmmx: location is largely irrelevant |
| 11:05.12 | lmmx | gevaerts I thought the point of this was to travel to the group you were working with? |
| 11:05.16 | gevaerts | No |
| 11:05.19 | |Kev| | lmmx: Absolutely not. |
| 11:05.23 | lmmx | is it long distance ? |
| 11:05.42 | asy | remote. |
| 11:06.17 | |Kev| | !faq | lmmx |
| 11:06.17 | gsocbot | lmmx: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
| 11:06.19 | |Kev| | Take a look at those. |
| 11:06.55 | gevaerts | !studentguide | lmmx |
| 11:06.55 | gsocbot | lmmx: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 11:07.04 | gevaerts | also recommends that one |
| 11:07.04 | rnikhil275 | |Kev| : But it says the sate you started alone is not enough. |
| 11:07.19 | rnikhil275 | I am enrolled as of 27-april-2015 |
| 11:07.31 | rnikhil275 | My it expires on June end |
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| 11:07.33 | MatthewWilkes | rnikhil275: Does yours say you started on the 31st of July? |
| 11:07.45 | |Kev| | "As long as you are accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of 00:01 UTC on 27 April, 2015, you are eligible to participate in the program." |
| 11:07.47 | MatthewWilkes | If not, if doesn't just state your start date |
| 11:07.49 | |Kev| | I don't think it's ambiguous. |
| 11:07.56 | rnikhil275 | It doesnt say anything about the starting date |
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| 11:08.25 | MatthewWilkes | So why are you asking us about a rule regarding cards that only show start date? |
| 11:08.36 | rnikhil275 | |Kev| : So, that means My ID card will do as proof of enrollement. Thanks |
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| 11:09.18 | rnikhil275 | MatthewWilkes : But I was worried about it's expiry date |
| 11:09.34 | rnikhil275 | Expiring in-between the program |
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| 11:10.41 | gevaerts | rnikhil275: only the date mentioned in the FAQ matters |
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| 11:11.09 | rnikhil275 | Okay |
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| 11:19.23 | pranav | HI I am uable to submit my proposal even after uploading the enrolment form |
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| 11:20.08 | pranav | yesterday it opened but now is not opening |
| 11:20.18 | pranav | Please help! |
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| 11:28.10 | darnir | pranav: You should try #melange for issues with the website |
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| 11:29.00 | pranav | it will try it thanks darnir |
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| 12:08.33 | garvitdelhi | !logs |
| 12:08.33 | gsocbot | garvitdelhi: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 12:45.00 | garvitdelhi | !numapps |
| 12:45.00 | gsocbot | garvitdelhi: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs. 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
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| 13:00.59 | harshu | i added same proposal twice by mistake |
| 13:01.02 | harshu | what can be done |
| 13:01.18 | gevaerts | I think you can withdraw one |
| 13:02.13 | harshu | thanks @gevaerts |
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| 13:14.01 | alyosama | Hi, Can i ask mentor of the project about other proposal on a project ? |
| 13:16.00 | gevaerts | You can ask of course, but you're not necessarily going to get an answer |
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| 13:17.19 | danitorra | hey guys |
| 13:17.31 | danitorra | I tried asking on #melange but no luck: |
| 13:17.34 | Faker | Hi everyone , i want to ask why we have to write a proposal while there is a list of project ? |
| 13:17.54 | gevaerts | Faker: an idea isn't a project proposal |
| 13:18.09 | danitorra | Has anyone noticed that when you submit a proposal using the "Source Code" option, it removes all the <style> tags? |
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| 13:18.13 | danitorra | is that intended? |
| 13:18.40 | gevaerts | You're expected to explain how you plan to approach things, provide a timeline that shows you've thought about it, ... |
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| 13:19.57 | gevaerts | danitorra: I'm not sure many melange developers are awake at this time of day, so maybe an email to the address in the topic in #melange is better, but in general historically it hasn't been safe to assume too many formatting features in melange :) |
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| 13:20.10 | gevaerts | So it might well be intentional, I don't know... |
| 13:20.58 | danitorra | Oh didn't think about the different timezone. Will ping later/by email I guess |
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| 13:27.50 | toad_ | has been paid by Freenet Project Inc in the past (and a mentor for them). this year, FPI wasn't accepted. does that mean the eligibility thing doesn't apply? I'm guessing it's to prevent people cheating the system by signing up as students when they're already working for the OSS project in question? |
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| 13:31.31 | gevaerts | toad_: which specific rule are you worried about? |
| 13:31.53 | gevaerts | Also, you shouldn't mix first and third person in one line :) |
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| 13:35.00 | toad_ | "you are not an employee, intern or contractor of ... a participating OSS organisation" |
| 13:35.21 | toad_ | 1.1g(ii) |
| 13:37.35 | gevaerts | toad_: I'd say "in the past" is key there |
| 13:37.49 | gevaerts | For a definitive answer, ask carols :) |
| 13:38.19 | toad_ | if I'm not accepted for GSoC it is possible I may be working for FPI this year, but I certainly won't be doing both at the same time |
| 13:38.28 | toad_ | I guess it comes down to the fact that FPI wasn't accepted this year though |
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| 13:39.15 | gevaerts | nods |
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| 13:39.29 | gevaerts | As far as I can see, you're entirely in the clear there |
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| 13:52.12 | nourin | any past accepted student here ? |
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| 13:53.21 | nourin | how many has submitted their first proposal? :) |
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| 13:53.42 | Hesham | nourin: Yes? |
| 13:54.16 | nourin | hi Hesham, what was your experience while writing your proposal ? |
| 13:54.30 | jacquerie | toad_, where is that quote from? |
| 13:55.04 | garvitdelhi | hi is there a limit on number of revision for a proposal? |
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| 13:56.01 | jacquerie | because I currently work for CERN, which is a participating organization, but I want to apply to jQuery. Will this be a problem? |
| 13:56.25 | toad_ | jacquerie: student agreement, section 1.1g(ii) |
| 13:56.42 | NickT | Can I back out of the gsoc if I get accepted after? |
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| 13:57.25 | Hesham | nourin: It's a vague question, this depends on which organization I participated with, and the kind of project. But generally speaking, I was a 3rd year undergraduate computer engineering student. |
| 13:57.55 | nourin | sorry Hesham, how many proposal did you submit ? |
| 13:58.02 | jacquerie | toad_, thanks, I was looking at an earlier version of that document. |
| 13:58.45 | Hesham | nourin: Just one for my first GSoC participation. |
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| 14:00.21 | peeb_ | hey everyone :) I'm a student writing his proposal and I'd like to talk about milestone setting and the such |
| 14:00.27 | peeb_ | is anyone available for a few minutes to discuss? |
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| 14:01.03 | nourin | Hesham : how early you started writing your proposal ? |
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| 14:02.24 | bond007_ | can't find a link to upload propoasal? |
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| 14:03.09 | Hesham | nourin: Very early. You may check this post for the full story http://google-opensource.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/my-road-to-google-summer-of-code.html |
| 14:03.41 | bond007_ | ah! ? can any one guide me where to upload proposal? I am already signed in gsoc 2015 page |
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| 14:04.08 | peeb_ | bond007_ I think you have to submit enrollment proof first. Did you do that already? |
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| 14:04.29 | bond007_ | alright!.. No I haven't done that!.. |
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| 14:06.15 | peeb_ | Hesham: may I ask you if you decided to be ambitious or conservative with your milestones and project objectives? |
| 14:06.24 | peeb_ | I'm having that dilemma :) |
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| 14:08.22 | Hesham | peeb_: Both ;) |
| 14:08.45 | peeb_ | Hesham: :D care to elaborate? |
| 14:08.45 | olly | why not be realistic? |
| 14:08.53 | nourin | Hesham : thanks a lot. it was surely helpful. but what if it takes time to understand the projects requirement thus adds time to submit proposal ? do you think its a negative point for the participant ? |
| 14:09.44 | peeb_ | olly: that would be the best option, of course, but right now I feel that no matter what I choose to include in my objectives, I will lean towards one way or the other |
| 14:10.05 | peeb_ | but your advice is certainly on point :) |
| 14:11.15 | Hesham | peeb_: I proposed an ambitious project (for me at this time), the mentors commented and some parts were deleted, others added, but anyway, what seemed ambitious to me when I wrote the proposal, found out to be simple when I learned about it during GSoC. |
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| 14:14.36 | peeb_ | Hesham: thank you! now I see your point. do you think that there is a possibility to change something during the community bonding phase? Only if there is full agreement with the mentor organization, of course |
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| 14:15.39 | MatthewWilkes | peeb_: If you need to change something in the community bonding phase it's something you should have known about in advance. Be realistic with your milestones, you can always include stretch goals if things are going well |
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| 14:16.24 | peeb_ | MatthewWilkes: that's probably the best option. thank you! |
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| 14:21.57 | RyanSanchez | Hey,how can I apply? |
| 14:22.52 | AbdealiJK | Hi |
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| 14:23.07 | AbdealiJK | SO, I went over to the melange page and am on "My Dashboard" |
| 14:23.33 | AbdealiJK | Cant find a submit proposal button |
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| 14:23.47 | AbdealiJK | clicking on "Proposals" goes to the "Submitted Proposals" page |
| 14:23.50 | garvitdelhi | have you submitted Enrollment form? |
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| 14:24.04 | AbdealiJK | yes |
| 14:24.11 | AbdealiJK | oh, just found the button on the home page |
| 14:24.15 | garvitdelhi | :) |
| 14:24.20 | AbdealiJK | :P sorry |
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| 14:25.05 | peeb_ | going to class. thanks everyone for the advice :) |
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| 14:29.51 | aly_ | i wrote my proposal on word document with many pictures , how can i upload it on google form ?! |
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| 14:32.35 | AbdealiJK | The "content" has rich-text, it should allow formatting like a word doc. And you can insert images there |
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| 14:58.12 | jzaefferer | Are there any estimates how many student slots are generally assigned to organizations? |
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| 15:10.15 | gevaerts | jzaefferer: you could look at previous years to see how many slots they finally ended up with, but that's not the same thing as initial allocation |
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| 15:10.30 | eko24ive | hi everybody |
| 15:10.33 | gevaerts | First time orgs usually two, others very often more than they end up wanting |
| 15:10.51 | jzaefferer | just two? |
| 15:11.30 | MatthewWilkes | jzaefferer: Unfortunately, lots of people submit many applications that they have spent very little time on, which skew the stats |
| 15:11.41 | MatthewWilkes | Last year we (Plone) only had two excellent applications, ii |
| 15:11.42 | MatthewWilkes | iirc* |
| 15:11.42 | Faker | Hi , i want to participate but my english is not that good . should i try anyway ? |
| 15:13.01 | MatthewWilkes | Faker: Perhaps! Lots of people in open source don't think they have good english (and get put off because you can't tell how long people spend on a mailing list post, so they're often of a high standard) |
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| 15:13.09 | eko24ive | there is a issue on the jquery with some info about proposals https://github.com/jquery/gsoc/issues/1. It says i can submit them here (https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015) but i dont see any obvious UI to do that, can you help me ? |
| 15:13.10 | jzaefferer | MatthewWilkes: well, I've already seen drafts for four excellent applications, I expect at least that many good ones to still be submitted. Being forced to pick just two would be kinda horrible.. |
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| 15:13.33 | MatthewWilkes | jzaefferer: Ah, you're from an org? |
| 15:13.53 | jzaefferer | MatthewWilkes: yeah, I should have mentioned that. Admin for jQuery Foundation |
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| 15:14.11 | MatthewWilkes | jzaefferer: We have always had the number we've asked for, which has always been in the range 2-10ish (I forget exactly) |
| 15:14.15 | MatthewWilkes | jzaefferer: First time org? |
| 15:14.21 | gevaerts | jzaefferer: you can ask for more of course, and it's not unheard of for new orgs to get more slots after the initial allocation |
| 15:15.03 | jzaefferer | yeah, first time |
| 15:15.16 | jzaefferer | 2-10 sounds okay |
| 15:15.17 | jzaefferer | thanks! |
| 15:15.27 | MatthewWilkes | Then, yeah, you should plan for 2, you might get 3 or 4 in exceptional circumstances |
| 15:15.36 | MatthewWilkes | jzaefferer: How many mentors do you have available? |
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| 15:27.46 | macin40 | hello |
| 15:28.46 | macin40 | can i submit my first year marksheet as a proof of enrollment |
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| 15:29.38 | macin40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.54 | meflin | check the faq |
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| 15:30.26 | macin40 | not mentioned there |
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| 15:30.53 | casy | hi, am new here |
| 15:31.38 | macin40 | me too casy |
| 15:31.51 | meflin | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/proofofenrollment |
| 15:32.29 | meflin | MatthewWilkes: PM? |
| 15:32.40 | Mateusz_ | I noticed that my proposal from last year is public. Is it possible to disable making it public? |
| 15:33.34 | meflin | not sure you might ask in melange |
| 15:34.46 | Mateusz_ | @meflin: Contact link in footer links to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/about_page that recommends this IRC channel. |
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| 15:34.54 | Mateusz_ | Is there a better contact method? |
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| 15:35.48 | meflin | yea is right in the top section where it tells you NOT to ask on irc |
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| 15:41.19 | jzaefferer | MatthewWilkes: we have 7 mentors |
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| 16:13.15 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 16:13.30 | meflin | mmm tea thanks |
| 16:13.51 | gyani | hi, i wrote my proposal on google docs. importing it to melange is really painful. |
| 16:13.53 | carols | yw meflin |
| 16:13.53 | gyani | any tips? |
| 16:15.11 | gyani | i tried saving the document in various format that google docs supports. none of them seems to work well. |
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| 16:15.49 | gyani | some look great in the editor but have random underlining or color in the final page. |
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| 16:18.39 | psd | facing the same problem as gyani :/ |
| 16:21.10 | jacquerie | carols, I'm currently employed by CERN, and I'd like to apply for a project under jQuery. I see that CERN SFT is a partecipating entity; does this mean that I'm excluded, due to article 1.1 (g) (2) of the student agreement? |
| 16:21.24 | carols | jacquerie: most likely, yes |
| 16:21.32 | carols | besides, if youâre employed, are you sure youâre a student? |
| 16:22.11 | jacquerie | yep. My position is called "Technical Student": basically I'm spending here my last year, before returning to my University and graduating. |
| 16:22.16 | carols | okay |
| 16:22.24 | carols | if youâre employed by them youâre probably not eligible |
| 16:22.28 | carols | sorry :-( |
| 16:22.37 | jacquerie | thanks :-( |
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| 16:37.33 | vin-ivar | hey, sorry to bug you guys |
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| 16:37.44 | vin-ivar | but what's the criteria for slot allocations for new organisations? |
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| 16:52.29 | darnir | vin-ivar: Going by past records, it's usually limited to one slot. |
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| 16:53.10 | darnir | It's mostly because new organizations very often grossly under-estimate the amount of effort it requires to mentor a student. |
| 16:53.29 | raincrash | Hi! I just submitted my proposal. Will i get email updates if the mentors comment on it? |
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| 16:53.58 | wret | hi |
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| 16:54.22 | darnir | raincrash: Yes. Atleast you did till last year. |
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| 16:54.54 | wret | I accidently pressed the withdraw button on gsoc proposal on melange, but quickly reverted back, will my organization be notified? |
| 16:54.54 | Dr-Shadow | So we have to open a connection to an organization to be able to submit a proposal as student ? |
| 16:55.41 | Dr-Shadow | Aaaah I failed, I submited as mentor nvm |
| 16:56.02 | gevaerts | !unmentor | Dr-Shadow |
| 16:56.02 | gsocbot | Dr-Shadow: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 16:56.12 | wret | darnir: I accidently pressed the withdraw button on gsoc proposal on melange, but quickly reverted back, will my organization be notified? |
| 16:56.29 | darnir | wret: Definitely so |
| 16:56.54 | Dr-Shadow | We can convert an account from mentor to student |
| 16:56.57 | wret | darnir: but i quickly reverted back to No |
| 16:56.58 | Dr-Shadow | As I could see |
| 16:57.17 | wret | darnir: am i ineligible now? |
| 16:57.20 | darnir | wret: Was it faster 1ns? |
| 16:57.56 | darnir | Because I would assume that a computer will carry out its task of sending the email is at worst that much amount of time. |
| 16:58.07 | darnir | I don't know. Talk to your mentors about it. |
| 16:58.27 | darnir | Let them know you made a mistake and still wish to remian in contention |
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| 16:59.24 | Dr-Shadow | Is "major" equivalent to "specialization" ? |
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| 16:59.56 | vin-ivar | darnir: it does say on the flyer that google try to ensure that everybody gets two slots, though |
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| 17:01.32 | meflin | Dr-Shadow: probably its usually things like computer science, economics, ect |
| 17:01.47 | darnir | Dr-Shadow: Yes. |
| 17:01.58 | meflin | vin-ivar: most new orgs get 1-2 slots if you are a student you do not need to worry about slots only your proposal |
| 17:02.40 | vin-ivar | indeed |
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| 17:02.57 | Dr-Shadow | meflin: ty |
| 17:03.13 | vin-ivar | still, doesn't hurt to know, I think I stand a good chance if they get around 2 :) |
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| 17:03.39 | meflin | you stand a good chance if you make a excelent proposal |
| 17:03.51 | vin-ivar | haha |
| 17:03.54 | vin-ivar | yeah |
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| 17:24.47 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 17:42.33 | weirdo | Hi guys |
| 17:44.30 | weirdo | Just submitted my first proposal. How much time does it take before the reviewing process starts? |
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| 17:45.36 | carols | weirdo: up to one month |
| 17:46.24 | carols | we announce accptance/rejection on april 27 |
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| 17:47.16 | weirdo | <@carols> Can I get a review of the proposal before 27th march? |
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| 17:47.31 | carols | weirdo: youâd have to ask the mentoring organization |
| 17:47.43 | ChristianM | weirdo: you can ask the org if they have feedback for you before. But you won't get any final acceptance before |
| 17:48.02 | vin-ivar | april 27 |
| 17:48.04 | vin-ivar | ah, the suspense |
| 17:48.30 | weirdo | okay |
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| 18:00.33 | aditya | hi |
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| 18:00.55 | carols | aditya: hi |
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| 18:03.12 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I like your email on preferences for multiple applications, it's a nice tightening of the message from "we'll try to take your wishes into account" |
| 18:03.44 | carols | MatthewWilkes: well, hopefully their wishes are already expressed by which organizations they apply to :-) |
| 18:04.58 | MatthewWilkes | This is a lovely cake and all, but I want to have it *AND* eat it. |
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| 18:05.13 | carols | i always wondered about that saying |
| 18:05.22 | carols | donât you by definition, in eating the cake, have it? |
| 18:06.13 | MatthewWilkes | I've always assumed it meant retain |
| 18:06.30 | MatthewWilkes | A cake, once eaten, can never be re-eaten? |
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| 18:06.39 | carols | hopefully not :-) |
| 18:06.44 | meflin | I'm not a fan of re-eaten cake ;) |
| 18:06.49 | carols | me either |
| 18:07.02 | MatthewWilkes | I had a strange cake the other day |
| 18:07.07 | MatthewWilkes | Courgette and lime |
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| 18:07.16 | MatthewWilkes | Was surprisingly yummy. |
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| 18:08.08 | carols | that sounds...interesting |
| 18:08.29 | MatthewWilkes | Yeah, the cafe I got it from likes to play it fast and loose with their flavour combinations |
| 18:08.48 | MatthewWilkes | They also do a chicken, bacon, cheddar and ketchup grilled sandwich |
| 18:08.55 | carols | also...interesting |
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| 18:10.14 | MatthewWilkes | Bath is a beautiful city but it's not good for casual lunches. |
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| 18:16.12 | Ch3ck_ | carols, We have this issue with a student who has just the admission list to justitfy her admission. I'll like to know if this is admissible as proof of enrolment? |
| 18:16.58 | carols | Ch3ck_: an acceptance letter for a university is fine |
| 18:17.29 | wret | carols:I accidently pushed the "Withdraw" button near the gsoc proposal on melange, but i quickly reverted back to "No" again, what should i do now? |
| 18:17.32 | Ch3ck_ | carols, thanks |
| 18:17.55 | carols | wret: continue with your proposal |
| 18:17.58 | carols | is there a problem? |
| 18:18.22 | wret | carols: means no harm done? |
| 18:18.34 | carols | wret: i assume so |
| 18:18.40 | carols | do you have reason to believe otherwise? |
| 18:19.17 | wret | carols: no, cause i didnt get any mail regarding that, how do we check this? |
| 18:19.30 | carols | wret: check what? that the proposal is submitted? |
| 18:20.34 | wret | I have submitted it on melange., but accidently pushed the "withdraw" button, which i reverted back to "No" again, so i am a bit confused if its withdrawn or not? |
| 18:20.55 | carols | wret: if you donât know, youâre welcome to submit a bug with the melange developers to ask them |
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| 18:50.00 | carols | hope everyoneâs proposals are going well |
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| 18:50.50 | meflin | is this where I start singing 99 connections on the board? ;) |
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| 18:51.06 | carols | meflin: hopefully not :-) |
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| 19:02.00 | Eng | hello |
| 19:02.15 | carols | hi Eng |
| 19:02.38 | Eng | i am asking about the google training, am i in the right place ? |
| 19:02.51 | carols | Eng: by âgoogle trainingâ do you mean âgoogle summer of codeâ? |
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| 19:03.10 | Eng | yup |
| 19:03.17 | carols | then yes, you are in the right place |
| 19:03.48 | Eng | great , so i need some informations about that , it's my first time to hear about it |
| 19:04.07 | carols | Eng: have you read the FAQs, timeline, and student manual yet? |
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| 19:04.27 | Eng | nope , i can read them. |
| 19:04.31 | carols | great |
| 19:04.34 | carols | thatâs a good place to start |
| 19:04.56 | Eng | but the whole thing is online ? |
| 19:04.59 | carols | yep! |
| 19:05.23 | Eng | i mean the work after they accept me |
| 19:05.29 | carols | yes, itâs all online |
| 19:05.38 | carols | thatâs also answered in the FAQs by the way. |
| 19:05.52 | carols | which is why we recommend you read those first |
| 19:06.05 | Eng | oh , i am sorry my bad :) |
| 19:06.09 | carols | no problem |
| 19:06.19 | carols | read them over and then let us know if you have any follow up questions |
| 19:06.39 | Eng | okay Great thank you very much :D |
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| 19:06.46 | carols | youâre welcome |
| 19:08.44 | Midimistro | I'm reading the agreement, but I might have found an issue with it. Could you clarify: do we have rights over our submissions, or does Google or the mentor have the rights over them? |
| 19:09.20 | carols | Midimistro: well, technically speaking, that depends on the license the org uses |
| 19:09.24 | carols | but google doesnât have the rights. |
| 19:10.50 | carols | whatâs the problem? |
| 19:11.00 | carols | itâs probably something thatâs worth speaking to the org about |
| 19:11.04 | carols | depending on the question |
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| 19:12.13 | Midimistro | Thanks. It's not specified clearly in the agreement as to who has the rights (there's no mention of the dependency on org type). |
| 19:12.22 | carols | Midimistro: ah, okay |
| 19:12.27 | carols | well they all use their own licenses |
| 19:12.35 | carols | so ask the org youâre interested in working with |
| 19:12.38 | carols | they can tell you more |
| 19:12.52 | Midimistro | Okay. Will do. |
| 19:12.55 | carols | cheers |
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| 19:15.18 | Turl | the licensing is the same as if you were collaborating on your own spare time, as gsoc is not employment |
| 19:15.33 | Turl | correct me if I'm off base carols |
| 19:19.42 | carols | Turl: correct |
| 19:19.52 | carols | but who âownsâ the code is up to the org license |
| 19:20.07 | carols | which i believe is what the person was asking about |
| 19:20.11 | carols | whether google owned it |
| 19:21.01 | carols | anyway, iâm sure the person can learn more from the org |
| 19:21.02 | Turl | carols: indeed, some orgs may require CLAs to accept contributions |
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| 19:21.23 | carols | indeed |
| 19:21.36 | Turl | carols: some countries have laws about employment and (c) |
| 19:21.38 | asy | Will I know if my proof of enrollement is fine ? |
| 19:22.03 | Turl | it belongs to the employer if you're on a payroll or somesuch |
| 19:22.13 | Turl | that may be a source of confusion as well |
| 19:22.18 | carols | asy: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/proofofenrollment âIf you do not receive an email request from us for a new document you can assume what you submitted is fine.â |
| 19:22.39 | carols | Turl: yes, but i dontâ like to confuse the situation that much for special circumstances :-) we can take that offline |
| 19:22.50 | asy | Ugh, ok than you, sorry. |
| 19:22.55 | carols | np |
| 19:22.56 | asy | k* |
| 19:23.15 | Corey84 | carols, asy was mentioning yesterday that his proof only shows current not april 27th status hence the ? |
| 19:23.33 | carols | Corey84: if asyâs enrollment form doesnât work, asy will be contacted |
| 19:23.36 | asy | Wasn't me actually. |
| 19:23.56 | Turl | asy: just submit it and be happy :) they'll get in touch if it's not enough |
| 19:23.57 | Corey84 | ah was someone with very similiar nick then |
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| 19:24.30 | Corey84 | carols, i help the fedoraproject folks and did some stuff here last year too |
| 19:24.37 | carols | Corey84: excellent |
| 19:24.42 | carols | nice to have you here |
| 19:25.06 | Corey84 | I beta /alpha test f22 /f23 and a laod of google-wares |
| 19:25.27 | Corey84 | mostly chrome/ium OS browser and gcloud platform stuff |
| 19:25.40 | carols | great |
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| 19:25.46 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 19:25.53 | meflin | mmm tea thanks :) |
| 19:26.01 | carols | yw meflin :-) |
| 19:26.53 | eima | Hi everyone |
| 19:26.54 | chetna | Hi carols, thanks for that amazing tea, I am experiencing some difficulties in adding images to my proposal. Could you please help me with it ? |
| 19:27.01 | carols | hi eima |
| 19:27.01 | Turl | I'll take a coffee :) |
| 19:27.07 | carols | chetna: depends on the problem, but iâm happy to try |
| 19:27.53 | eima | How many peoples participate in gsoc? :) |
| 19:28.02 | carols | eima: thousands |
| 19:28.07 | carols | between the mentors and the students |
| 19:28.09 | carols | itâs a lot |
| 19:28.22 | carols | itâs nice to have such a diverse international group making up the community |
| 19:28.48 | chetna | Right now, when I insert image, it asks me a source and an alt text. I assume the source refers to a web link. I tried using the same but it fails and shows an alt text instead. |
| 19:28.53 | eima | carols you participate too? |
| 19:29.00 | downey | :) |
| 19:29.07 | carols | chetna: okay, thatâs something you should file a bug with the melange developers about |
| 19:29.11 | carols | eima: no, sorry, i don't |
| 19:29.28 | eima | why not? :) |
| 19:29.33 | carols | iâm not eligible |
| 19:29.35 | KaylieG | Was wondering, what level of skill is required to participate in GSoC? |
| 19:30.03 | carols | KaylieG: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 19:30.11 | eima | why? :) |
| 19:30.15 | eima | not a student? :) |
| 19:30.22 | chetna | Oh okay. carols. :) Thanks |
| 19:30.25 | carols | eima: not a student, and iâm an employee of google |
| 19:30.41 | KaylieG | Haha I guess you guys get that one a lot? |
| 19:30.49 | chetna | eima she manages the entire program. She is a wonder woman you see. |
| 19:31.31 | eima | nice to hear carols |
| 19:31.34 | carols | cheers |
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| 19:35.10 | sitic | !next |
| 19:35.21 | gsocbot | sitic: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 19:35.26 | carols | aw, thatâs sad |
| 19:35.31 | carols | iâll have to tell kblin about that |
| 19:36.08 | terri | poor gsocbot |
| 19:36.13 | carols | indeed |
| 19:36.29 | terri | blames meflin for sneaking too much tea to the bot. ;) |
| 19:36.41 | carols | :-) |
| 19:36.46 | meflin | I never feed the eggys tea after midnight |
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| 19:38.16 | gevaerts | !this cookie | gsocbot |
| 19:38.16 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "this cookie" is for you |
| 19:38.27 | gevaerts | It seems to be feeling better now |
| 19:38.33 | carols | !next |
| 19:38.41 | carols | no, it seems to still be sad :-( |
| 19:38.45 | gsocbot | carols: "next" is GSoC student applications close on 27 March at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:38.52 | carols | okay, just delayed |
| 19:39.11 | blast007 | maybe it needs *more* tea :) |
| 19:39.37 | carols | maybe so |
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| 19:40.46 | Andreis13 | hi guys |
| 19:41.02 | carols | hi Andreis13 |
| 19:41.16 | meflin | !tea |
| 19:41.17 | gsocbot | meflin: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 19:41.40 | Andreis13 | I wonder if anyone could help me with a problem of mine concerning the application process |
| 19:41.54 | carols | Andreis13: depends on the problem, but youâre welcome to ask and weâll see what we can do |
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| 19:42.49 | Andreis13 | the thing is that my residential address is subject to change during summer and I don't know what to do about the address fields in the profile creation form |
| 19:43.10 | carols | Andreis13: youâre welcome to change your address in your profile as many times as you like. |
| 19:43.41 | downey | As long as your residence change doesn't make you ineligible for the program. :-) |
| 19:43.46 | carols | true |
| 19:44.35 | Andreis13 | plus there is a thing with the taxes depending on whether I am in US or not |
| 19:44.55 | carols | Andreis13: thatâs not something we can help you with, that youâll have to address on your own |
| 19:45.15 | carols | you must be legally able to work in the country you are residing in for the entirety of gsoc, otherwise youâre ineligible |
| 19:45.30 | carols | but as to determining whether you are able to legally work in those countries, thatâs up to you to figure out |
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| 19:46.32 | Andreis13 | actually I will most probably be residing in US during gsoc, and I am able to legally work in US :D |
| 19:46.38 | carols | okay |
| 19:47.41 | Andreis13 | and the thing is, should I participate as a resident of US or as the citizen of my country of birth in which I am located right now? |
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| 19:48.06 | carols | Andreis13: thatâs up to you to determine whatâs correct for your situation. |
| 19:48.18 | carols | sometimes student advisors or visa specialists can help with this. |
| 19:48.22 | carols | we canât advise you. |
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| 19:51.41 | Andreis13 | okay, I'll try to look it up, at least now I know that I can change address any time as long as it conforms with the eligibility requirements, thanks a lot for the info |
| 19:51.48 | carols | youâre welcome |
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| 19:56.01 | htkibar | Um, first of all hello! I'm a CE student from Turkey who is terribly interested in GSoC however I find most of the projects intimidating, from the looks alone. Ergo, are there anyone whom has done GSoC before that can talk about their experience or link me to such a place? Sorry for the long message :3 |
| 19:56.20 | carols | htkibar: have you read over the student manual? |
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| 19:56.26 | carols | thatâs written by students for students |
| 19:56.33 | carols | and addresses this very topic. |
| 19:57.38 | gevaerts | !studentguide | htkibar |
| 19:57.38 | gsocbot | htkibar: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 19:58.06 | htkibar | I am going through it as we speak, kind of having an anxiety attack of sorts :3 |
| 19:58.31 | carols | okay, well, i hope youâre okay |
| 19:58.39 | carols | and let us know if we can help you further |
| 20:00.05 | downey | keep calm & read on |
| 20:01.00 | htkibar | Thank you very very much, I'll read it twice or rather thrice and come with that knowledge :3 May you all have strangers gift you chocolate chip cookies ^^ |
| 20:01.13 | Turl | htkibar: I can highly recommend the experience, if it makes you feel any better :) |
| 20:01.48 | htkibar | I fear of not being good enough, I want to have the experience that much is for certain. |
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| 20:02.50 | Turl | htkibar: there's a chapter addressing that on the student guide :) |
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| 20:04.57 | aviraldg | thinks there should be a small "intro to oss" phase before gsoc |
| 20:05.24 | cshah | aviraldg: GCI, you should know after winning twice xD |
| 20:05.42 | aviraldg | lol |
| 20:06.03 | Turl | aviraldg: there's a community bonding period as well |
| 20:06.05 | gevaerts | disagrees with aviraldg |
| 20:06.12 | gevaerts | Free software is where it's at! |
| 20:06.33 | aviraldg | I mean I have a lot of friends in college who are genuinely interested, but have never touched anything other than a hello world or 1+1 program from what they've learnt at school. |
| 20:06.57 | carols | aviraldg: well, they can start asking foss orgs for help whether gsoc is happening or not |
| 20:07.04 | carols | these orgs really want new developers :-) |
| 20:07.08 | carols | and most welcome them :-) |
| 20:07.24 | Turl | aviraldg: are they really interested in programming then? |
| 20:07.25 | aviraldg | Also, no exposure to things like dvcs (or any version control for that matter), how to collaborate on issue trackers, submitting patches, etc. |
| 20:08.17 | aviraldg | They are (they do get excited when I describe what it's really like) -- it's just that our primary education system doesn't show them these things are possible or easy to get into |
| 20:08.43 | aviraldg | carols: less about specific organizations and more about the general workflow |
| 20:08.53 | carols | aviraldg: i agree, that sounds like a fundamental flaw with our education system :-( |
| 20:09.03 | vin-ivar | aviraldg: where are you from? |
| 20:09.07 | aviraldg | India |
| 20:09.11 | vin-ivar | o/ |
| 20:09.22 | aviraldg | \o |
| 20:09.27 | vin-ivar | we're taught absolutely none of this at uni |
| 20:09.28 | vin-ivar | it's a shame |
| 20:09.44 | htkibar | vin-ivar that's because universities are artificial environments, or so I think. |
| 20:09.46 | vin-ivar | that they'd rather focus on dress codes |
| 20:09.50 | aviraldg | you know, something like the book you guys gave us at the first gci, just interactive |
| 20:09.50 | vin-ivar | and other inane thigns |
| 20:09.52 | vin-ivar | things |
| 20:09.56 | aviraldg | yeah. sad :| |
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| 20:10.45 | Turl | there's many free resources online you can point them at to help get them started |
| 20:10.48 | cshah | sttaylor: are you around? |
| 20:10.59 | sttaylor | cshah: yes |
| 20:11.23 | cshah | do you know if there's any published statistics about number of GCI grand prize winners per school? My computer science teacher was wondering. |
| 20:11.32 | aviraldg | I don't know about others, but oss, and software development in general excites me because it's about creating stuff -- implementing the simplest algorithms from memory isn't anything close to that -- which is why we're missing a lot of these people |
| 20:11.57 | sttaylor | cshah: do you mean over the last 5 years? |
| 20:12.03 | cshah | sttaylor: yeah |
| 20:12.03 | gevaerts | cshah: the average school has 0.0001 GCI winners :) |
| 20:12.04 | aviraldg | Turl: I have, in the past. Interestingly, even knowing how to look up documentation, or what to google is an acquired skill |
| 20:12.13 | cshah | gevaerts: my school has had 3 :D |
| 20:13.18 | sttaylor | cshah: that's not something we have tracked but I am pretty sure 3 is the most of any school |
| 20:13.28 | Turl | aviraldg: maybe a list could be made, to have everything in one place |
| 20:13.38 | cshah | sttaylor: awesome, thanks! |
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| 20:13.52 | cshah | I'm sure he'll be happy to hear that :) |
| 20:14.37 | gevaerts | cshah: if you just work out how many GCI grand prize winners there are per year, and guess how many schools there are worldwide, three in on school sounds like a serious statistical anomaly :) |
| 20:14.47 | aviraldg | Turl: then it gets boring |
| 20:16.07 | Turl | aviraldg: what gets boring? |
| 20:16.15 | cshah | gevaerts: I'm sure it is! If you know Liezl, a GCI-2012 winner... She was inspired to compete by Nolan - a GCI-2010 winner, and I was inspired by both of them. Its a running trend in our school now. Unfortunately students dont participate as much if they dont see a good opportunity to win :( |
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| 20:17.12 | gevaerts | cshah: I predict a 2016 winner, but nobody in 2015 :) |
| 20:17.20 | cshah | That is the trend :) |
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| 20:18.16 | aviraldg | something similar in my city :) |
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| 20:19.13 | vin-ivar | aviraldg: bangalore? |
| 20:19.35 | aviraldg | Jamshedpur |
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| 20:20.23 | aviraldg | I think we had two last two last time, and one this time |
| 20:20.46 | Dany0_afk | is an ISIC card scan enough as proof of enrollment? |
| 20:21.35 | aviraldg | Nafees (one of my juniors and a GCI winner) started a scratch contest for kids last year, and did a presentation on GCI |
| 20:21.57 | aviraldg | I'm optimistic about the future :) |
| 20:22.19 | aviraldg | Turl: just following a list |
| 20:22.57 | aviraldg | At the start, they want quick results so they can stay motivated. That's pretty hard to do though. |
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| 20:24.27 | gevaerts | Dany0_afk: if it has all required information on it, I believe it should be OK |
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| 20:24.34 | gevaerts | If not, you'll be contacted |
| 20:24.48 | Dany0_afk | It says validity 9/2014-12/2015 |
| 20:25.16 | Dany0_afk | I also have a coupon from the uni with the isic number with "academic year 2014/2015" on it |
| 20:25.57 | carols | Dany0_afk: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/proofofenrollment âRather than ask questions on the mailing list or in IRC about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you. If you do not receive an email request from us for a new document you can assume what you |
| 20:25.57 | carols | submitted is fine." |
| 20:26.20 | Dany0_afk | oh, is it instanenous? |
| 20:26.35 | Dany0_afk | I thought it'd take weeks for you to get back if you need more |
| 20:26.47 | carols | Dany0_afk: we verify them all |
| 20:26.55 | carols | but youâre welcome to submit a proposal in the meantime |
| 20:27.14 | Dany0_afk | lol I don't even know how gsoc works yet, what's a proposal |
| 20:27.33 | carols | Dany0_afk: if thatâs the case, you should read over our FAQs and student manual first |
| 20:28.06 | Dany0_afk | k, danks |
| 20:28.11 | carols | yw |
| 20:30.16 | Turl | aviraldg: I meant a list of resources, not a list of what to do |
| 20:30.28 | carols | Turl: whatâs the question? |
| 20:30.37 | aviraldg | yes, that's how I interpreted it |
| 20:30.43 | Turl | carols: none :) |
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| 20:30.46 | carols | okay great |
| 20:32.38 | Turl | aviraldg: we can discuss this further on /msg or the offtopic channel if you want |
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| 20:38.52 | MatthewWilkes | I'll never forget seeing our GHOP winner mentioned on the Jay Leno show. I love the fact that the programme is so international that it's possible to choose a winner without even knowing what country they're in |
| 20:39.33 | carols | MatthewWilkes: agreed, i do love the community for these programs |
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| 20:39.39 | austinprog | Hello |
| 20:39.43 | carols | hi austinprog |
| 20:40.03 | austinprog | Do we have to have a lot of programming experience to participate in GSOC? |
| 20:40.23 | austinprog | I am currently taking my first CS class at my college |
| 20:40.30 | carols | austinprog: the gsoc student manual actually has more info about this |
| 20:40.33 | carols | have you seen that? |
| 20:40.43 | austinprog | I don't think I have. |
| 20:40.48 | carols | austinprog: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 20:40.54 | austinprog | Thank you |
| 20:40.59 | carols | youâre welcome |
| 20:41.08 | carols | let us know if you have followup questions |
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| 20:42.29 | aviraldg | Turl: yeah, def getting offtopic. It's pretty late here. How about tomorrow? |
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| 20:44.48 | Turl | aviraldg: anytime. I'm often hanging around, and when I'm not my irc stack covers for me :) |
| 20:45.49 | Dany0_afk | carols, http://en.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/ is this the "student manual"? |
| 20:45.56 | carols | Dany0_afk: yes it is |
| 20:46.15 | CFS-MP3 | carols is it OK to hire a GSoC student we'd like to have on board in we don't have enough slots to accept him? It's possible that our university can fund an additional student |
| 20:46.43 | carols | CFS-MP3: i donât know anything about your hiring practices, i canât comment on that :-) |
| 20:46.55 | carols | iâm definitely not an HR person |
| 20:47.05 | CFS-MP3 | carols I mean if it's OK from the point of view of Google :-) |
| 20:47.20 | carols | CFS-MP3: iâm not sure why google would factor in here? |
| 20:47.33 | carols | maybe iâm not understanding the situation? |
| 20:47.36 | hits | Hey, can I submit my proposal only after I upload the scanned id proof? |
| 20:47.45 | carols | hits: yes |
| 20:47.55 | hits | Thank you carols :) |
| 20:47.58 | carols | cheers |
| 20:48.22 | CFS-MP3 | I've been asked that by the org admin... say we get 3 slots and have 4 excellent proposals, it's possible we can find funds to pay the 4th student directly, i.e. off GSOC |
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| 20:48.39 | CFS-MP3 | I'd expect Google doesn't care at all, but wanted to make sure :-) |
| 20:48.46 | carols | CFS-MP3: no, google does not care :-) |
| 20:48.58 | carols | we canât have opinions about money between people in the world :-) |
| 20:49.15 | Dany0_afk | I thought carols is a spaniard named carlos who likes to misspell his name for his nick |
| 20:49.19 | carols | so long as the studentâs not representing themselves as a gsoc student? |
| 20:49.20 | carols | right? |
| 20:49.24 | carols | i assume thaâts not what you mean? |
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| 20:49.33 | hits | Also carol, as it is mentioned, a person can submit max 5 proposals, can 2 or more be to the same organization? |
| 20:49.39 | carols | hits: sure |
| 20:49.50 | hits | Thanks again! |
| 20:49.54 | carols | Dany0_afk: iâm a she, not a he. |
| 20:50.01 | CFS-MP3 | Right... this would be just a relationship between a (rejected) GSOC applicant and the university |
| 20:50.14 | carols | CFS-MP3: yeah, have whatever relationships you find fruitful :-) |
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| 20:54.34 | Dany0_afk | so I don't get it, how long do I have to find a project I'd be interested and submit a proposal? |
| 20:54.46 | carols | Dany0_afk: until 27 march at 19:00 uTC |
| 20:54.49 | carols | *UTC |
| 20:54.56 | dev_ | can i write an advanced remote keylogger or trojan for gsoc 15/ |
| 20:55.15 | carols | dev_: thatâs a good question to ask the mentoring organization youâd like to work with |
| 20:55.35 | Dany0_afk | holy |
| 20:55.37 | Dany0_afk | 10 days? |
| 20:55.38 | Dany0_afk | :| |
| 20:55.47 | carols | Dany0_afk: this program was announced last october. |
| 20:55.53 | carols | so technically itâs been aboutâ¦6 months? |
| 20:55.54 | dev_ | but in gsoc there is written not to submit malicious software.. |
| 20:56.25 | carols | dev_: please speak to the mentoring organization, if itâs an idea from their projects list |
| 20:56.37 | carols | is it in fact an idea from their projects list? |
| 20:56.38 | Dany0_afk | dev_, write a boring software full of security holes, just as malicious, two times shadier |
| 20:56.53 | carols | Dany0_afk: dev_: please take it offline |
| 20:57.03 | meflin | there security related projects if that is what you are asking |
| 20:57.04 | MatthewWilkes | Dany0_afk: Is openssl participating this year? |
| 20:57.08 | Dany0_afk | hahahaha |
| 20:57.15 | MatthewWilkes | sorry :P |
| 20:57.18 | Dany0_afk | MatthewWilkes, legitimately lol'd |
| 20:57.58 | Dany0_afk | carols, I don't get it, "this program was announced last october." you mean the schedule? |
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| 20:58.34 | Dany0_afk | n-nevermind |
| 20:59.02 | MatthewWilkes | Dany0_afk: The schedule was announced last year and there have been people in this channel ever since, including students looking for help picking mentoring organisations |
| 20:59.05 | meflin | gsoc 2015 was announced in October to be happening , I think the schedual came with that anouncement |
| 20:59.14 | MatthewWilkes | I've helped students for months now who had ideas |
| 20:59.39 | MatthewWilkes | Dany0_afk: And all orgs have lists of projects they'd like to see proposed |
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| 21:00.11 | Dany0_afk | :| |
| 21:00.16 | Dany0_afk | I wanted to participate last year |
| 21:00.23 | Dany0_afk | but couldn't because I was still in high school |
| 21:00.30 | Dany0_afk | I came here, and people told me to try next year |
| 21:00.39 | meflin | this is next year |
| 21:00.49 | Dany0_afk | so now you're telling me I was supposed to be preparing for 6 months in advance? wth |
| 21:01.29 | meflin | no you are supposed to pay attention to the timeliness, blots, faq, and docs ect ect |
| 21:01.38 | meflin | did you expect some personal email? |
| 21:01.42 | tbr | Dany0_afk: there's plenty of time to go through the org list and look at their ideas and then write a proposal |
| 21:02.08 | Dany0_afk | hm? |
| 21:02.14 | Dany0_afk | 10 days is not a lot of time |
| 21:02.14 | MatthewWilkes | Dany0_afk: We're saying that if 10 days is too little time you could have started earlier |
| 21:02.18 | meflin | student selection is on |
| 21:02.20 | Dany0_afk | I don't have much time :| |
| 21:02.22 | meflin | get involved |
| 21:02.30 | Dany0_afk | it's maybe a 4 days for me |
| 21:02.35 | MatthewWilkes | But 10 days is certainly enough time, you can find the right org in a couple of hours, max |
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| 21:02.43 | Dany0_afk | really? |
| 21:02.44 | MatthewWilkes | There aren't that many and they're all tagged by language, industry, etc |
| 21:02.51 | Dany0_afk | eh, maybe I should just sleep on it |
| 21:02.56 | Dany0_afk | gnite folks, love <3 |
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| 21:03.26 | Dany0_afk | oh, daily reminder that atomontage engine is the best thing in the universe, ever, period http://www.atomontage.com/?id=dev_blog&pid=mar17_2015 |
| 21:03.43 | Dany0_afk | (shameless fan promotion) |
| 21:03.44 | meflin | no adds |
| 21:04.13 | Dany0_afk | to be dnow |
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| 21:05.57 | Hirsch | MatthewWilkes: where do i find this list? |
| 21:06.19 | MatthewWilkes | Hirsch: Every org has them, "ideas list" |
| 21:07.01 | Hirsch | MatthewWilkes: i am completely new to this and i am even not sure what you talk about |
| 21:07.11 | MatthewWilkes | !faq | Hirsch |
| 21:07.11 | gsocbot | Hirsch: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
| 21:07.13 | Hirsch | i cant seem to find a ist on the hompage |
| 21:07.29 | Hirsch | ah ok hidden ;) |
| 21:07.35 | blast007 | Hirsch: are you looking for the organization list? |
| 21:08.51 | Hirsch | yep |
| 21:08.57 | blast007 | there is a "See all 137 mentoring organizations" on the GSOC 2015 homepage :) |
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| 21:09.42 | Hirsch | ah ok thanks blast007 :D |
| 21:10.23 | downey | Dany0_afk: promotion not needed and not appropriate here |
| 21:11.03 | Hirsch | oh three orgs with the tag "golang" |
| 21:11.23 | Hirsch | downey: hes already gone |
| 21:12.26 | olly | still useful, we don't want other people getting the idea that's acceptable |
| 21:12.50 | olly | it's get unusable quickly if ~400 people were all doing that |
| 21:13.15 | downey | Thanks and thanks |
| 21:13.46 | downey | Something tells me he wouldn't have paid attention to me anyway. |
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| 21:18.48 | Hirsch | ok there is nothing for me |
| 21:18.55 | Hirsch | maybe next year o/ |
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| 21:19.32 | Hirsch | 3 projects having the tag "golang"; Only 1 has it in their ideas page |
| 21:20.13 | olly | some orgs are very poor at tagging |
| 21:20.21 | downey | Hirsch: why be so restrictive? You could always try to learn something new this summer. :-) |
| 21:20.27 | olly | if you've a niche interest, you might do well to look beyond the tags |
| 21:20.50 | olly | as a bonus, you'll find the go projects others will miss! |
| 21:21.19 | downey | Tags are definitely not reliable indicators |
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| 21:22.39 | Hirsch | downey: i found some interesting projects; but they want itdone in javascript |
| 21:23.35 | Hirsch | i am more in direction of FPGAs SoCs and other embedded technology, and i dont understand why one would want a waveform and netlist viewer in javascript :D |
| 21:23.38 | Hirsch | bye o/ |
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| 21:25.03 | downey | Hirsch: thanks for the conversation :-p |
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| 21:25.49 | olly | wonders if the poor tagging approach is deliberate in some cases |
| 21:27.12 | olly | well, i just looked at the project list and trivially found a fourth project |
| 21:27.23 | olly | RTEMS is tagged "go" but not "golang" |
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| 21:28.33 | teepee | yeah, just relying on the tags might miss some opportunities, like gnome has no C++ :) |
| 21:29.48 | olly | cute: https://wiki.tox.im/GSoC/2015/Ideas#QXR0YWNrIHRoZSBUb3ggTmV0d29yayAK |
| 21:30.32 | olly | so of the 3 he/she found tagged golang, I could see that 2 do have go projects |
| 21:31.25 | olly | and RTEMS seems to have one but listed as "complete or pending" |
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| 21:31.59 | olly | i suspect they just copied their tags over from last time |
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| 21:40.24 | Blakelington | Wow I have never seen this big of an IRC be so quiet |
| 21:40.49 | Blakelington | I feel like my text is echoing |
| 21:40.59 | carols | Blakelington: is there something we can help with? |
| 21:41.02 | carols | did you have a question? |
| 21:41.14 | Blakelington | Yes I do actually! Thanks for asking. |
| 21:41.17 | carols | sure |
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| 21:42.17 | downey | Blakelington: Actually, thank YOU for asking. :-P |
| 21:42.31 | carols | no no no, thank YOU downey for thanking Blakelington |
| 21:42.49 | Blakelington | I'm going to be working in an IT department over the summer and I was wondering if the Summer of Code program would be good to apply for even if I'll only be able to work on it during the evening. |
| 21:42.59 | downey | Thanks for the thanks, carlos |
| 21:43.14 | carols | Blakelington: most likely not. we recommend you allocate the time to gsoc that you would to a full time job, 40 hours a week |
| 21:43.26 | carols | and we recommend you donât have any other time commitments during the program |
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| 21:43.51 | Blakelington | Yes, I understand. Maybe next summer then! |
| 21:43.56 | carols | indeed! |
| 21:44.00 | carols | have a nice day! |
| 21:44.06 | Blakelington | You too! |
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| 21:52.36 | kosyo | Hello, I am currently work for an IT company and I was wondering if GSOC would be good to apply? I will be able to work for GSOC eight hours a day, because my job is 4 hours a day. |
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| 21:53.03 | meflin | are you a collage student? |
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| 21:53.33 | kosyo | melfin: yes I am a collage student |
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| 21:53.54 | meflin | see the FAQ and talk to your org about your time |
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| 21:54.23 | kosyo | okay thank you |
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| 22:03.47 | |Kev| | kosyo: It's usually recommended not to have other significant commitments during GSoC. Working 12 hours a day for months on end isn't healthy. |
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| 23:16.27 | monokles | proposals can be formatted with html right? |
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| 23:17.14 | meflin | proposals are formatted with the melange editor witch is mostly html |
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| 23:18.18 | monokles | meh, should just allow you to upload a pdf (inb4 security risks because of macros) |
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| 23:18.46 | meflin | I wouldn't even read them in that case |
| 23:18.58 | monokles | why |
| 23:19.26 | meflin | where am I going to get a pdf reader that works 100% on all my devices? |
| 23:19.47 | monokles | ah |
| 23:19.54 | monokles | oh well |
| 23:20.47 | meflin | that is the thing about standards :) |
| 23:21.05 | olly | monokles: you can paste in an HTML version and link to a PDF one, but i suspect most mentors will ignore the PDF |
| 23:21.39 | monokles | aren't standards like rules? |
| 23:21.43 | monokles | only exist to break them |
| 23:21.54 | monokles | oh god i'm so funny tonight |
| 23:21.57 | monokles | need more caffeine |
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