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| 00:24.44 | cfelton | for an open-source project (organization), what does it mean: whomever signs off on the organization has legal authority over a something that is not a legal entity? |
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| 00:48.29 | MatthewWilkes | cfelton: Where are you reading that? |
| 00:49.05 | umccullough | sounds like it was misread |
| 00:49.24 | umccullough | or at least, transcribed here incorrectly |
| 00:50.16 | cfelton | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/org_admin_agreement |
| 00:50.19 | cfelton | second paragraph |
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| 00:50.46 | MatthewWilkes | cfelton: "If you are accepting on behalf of your open source organization, you represent and warrant that (i) you have full legal authority to bind your organization to these terms and conditions" ? |
| 00:50.56 | cfelton | correct |
| 00:51.26 | umccullough | that means you are allowed to speak legally for the organization |
| 00:51.37 | MatthewWilkes | That means that the person that's filling in the application form has to be authorised to accept those terms on behalf of the org |
| 00:52.04 | umccullough | keep in mind, you must be a real organization, not just a bunch of people calling yourself one :) |
| 00:52.29 | umccullough | otherwise, you should find an umbrella organization |
| 00:52.31 | cfelton | I think that is where the confusion lies. |
| 00:52.39 | olly | i don't believe there's any requirement that the org is a legal entity |
| 00:52.39 | cfelton | what defines a "real organization" |
| 00:52.52 | umccullough | olly, i believe there is, but i'd have to go re-read the faq |
| 00:53.06 | olly | umccullough: i'm fairly sure a lot of orgs are violate that if so |
| 00:53.08 | umccullough | maybe it's only required if you seek to receive monies |
| 00:53.13 | cfelton | We wanted to submit an organization for the open-source project MyHDL www.myhdl.org |
| 00:53.30 | olly | well, a legal entity needs to accept any funds |
| 00:53.38 | cfelton | there is no formal/legal organization for the project |
| 00:54.03 | cfelton | what funds do the organizations get? I thought only the students received funds? |
| 00:54.05 | olly | but that can be one of the devs (not a great idea probably) or a friendly company |
| 00:54.09 | umccullough | olly, i think you're correct - i remember hearing that google was pushing orgs to umbrellas if they wanted money |
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| 00:54.17 | umccullough | otherwise, no money |
| 00:54.17 | olly | cfelton: $500/student mentored |
| 00:54.24 | olly | and mentor summit reimbursement |
| 00:54.35 | MatthewWilkes | umccullough: A mentoring organisation can be represented by an individual |
| 00:54.39 | cfelton | olly: thanks, I had no idea |
| 00:54.42 | umccullough | up to $1100/mentor that goes to the summit ;) |
| 00:54.47 | umccullough | limit of 2 iirc |
| 00:54.51 | olly | we're joining SFC, but previously I've accepted money for GSoC through my UK consulting company |
| 00:54.58 | olly | which google were fine with |
| 00:55.21 | olly | cfelton: you don't have to claim the money |
| 00:55.30 | olly | or you can ask to donate it to another org |
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| 00:56.10 | umccullough | cfelton, on the other hand, you sound like a prime candidate for the python umbrella org |
| 00:56.29 | cfelton | umccullough: how does that work? |
| 00:56.35 | umccullough | ping meflin |
| 00:56.55 | terri | actually, ping me. :) |
| 00:57.00 | umccullough | or terri |
| 00:57.06 | olly | was about to say terri may be a better bet |
| 00:57.16 | terri | but also ping meflin, 'cause he's doing all the ideas pages reviews for python righ tnow |
| 00:57.38 | terri | so even if you ping me I'm going to say a bunch of stuff then tell you you're only in when he grudgingly admits your page isn't entirely awful. ;) |
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| 00:59.24 | MatthewWilkes | Ideas pages are hard. People have been too busy coding recently, too many things are already built |
| 01:00.17 | umccullough | at the very least, being under python umbrella means you won't immediately get rejected by google directly :P |
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| 01:00.52 | cfelton | terri: ping :) |
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| 01:01.04 | cfelton | terri: I sent an email, what would be the first steps? |
| 01:01.05 | terri | And I've always found the legally speaking for the organization thing a bit weird, even as Python, which does have a legal entity. It's just that I'm not a paid member of it or have any actual legal connection other than being well-known as the person in charge of this stuff. |
| 01:01.06 | olly | if you get rejected, you can blame the python org admins |
| 01:01.31 | terri | cfelton: this might help: https://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2015#New_Sub-orgs |
| 01:01.59 | olly | I believe what it's really trying to ensure is that someone doesn't apply on behalf of an org when the org hasn't actually decided to apply |
| 01:02.04 | terri | I suppose I can vote in python elections, but other than that, it's hard to argue a real legal tie except by convention. :) |
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| 01:02.07 | olly | which has happened before |
| 01:02.48 | olly | terri: presumably it shouldn't come as a surprise to the python community that you've submitted a gsoc application though? |
| 01:03.01 | cfelton | terri: thanks, it looks like we have substantial time to fall under the Python umbrella (March 16th?) |
| 01:03.02 | umccullough | terri, i'll vouch for you (even though i have close to zero connection) |
| 01:03.06 | umccullough | :) |
| 01:03.17 | cfelton | I think that would be our best option, I will review the link you sent me |
| 01:03.41 | terri | olly: tbh, no one from the foundation ever talks to me about it until months after I've submitted the application. I live in fear that one day one of them will be surprised. ;) |
| 01:03.52 | umccullough | heh |
| 01:04.12 | umccullough | "look guys, I earned us some money!" |
| 01:04.13 | olly | going under an existing umbrella's not a bad idea for an org new to gsoc, as you have experienced admins behind you |
| 01:04.45 | terri | cfelton: I generally recommend orgs try to apply on their own so you get the benefits of direct feedback from google, so don't feel like it has to be an either/or |
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| 01:04.52 | cfelton | terri: I am sorta familiar with GSoC, a past mentor, but not part of organizing |
| 01:05.13 | terri | the reason our deadline is so late is that we take in a lot of orgs who didn't make the cut for various reasons but can be perfectly good at mentoring with a bit of extra help |
| 01:05.24 | cfelton | terri: I think this year we are out of time and do many questions like the "legal" |
| 01:05.37 | bytee | is it me, or does the interface lack the option to enter the username of the backup organisation administrator ? |
| 01:05.46 | terri | umccullough: I presume that's how it goes. I was so proud of seeing "my" line on the python budget at the annual meeting. :) |
| 01:05.51 | olly | bytee: go to the front page and there's a link to do that |
| 01:05.56 | terri | bytee: yeah, you have to make a connection after the initial application is submitted |
| 01:06.09 | terri | on the bright side, I can have more than one backup admin now! |
| 01:07.07 | umccullough | bytee, just a regular org admin link, nothing special |
| 01:07.25 | bytee | thanks olly, terri, umccullough -- its just a little different compared to previous year! |
| 01:07.41 | olly | it is |
| 01:07.54 | olly | bytee: beware the backup admin needs to accept the connection before the deadline |
| 01:08.08 | bytee | olly: yup! thats no problem. thanks |
| 01:08.41 | mspo | I just found the "seen by org" thing |
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| 06:18.12 | andrei_ | Hello! I've got a question regarding this statement : In order to participate in the program, you must be a student. Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution |
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| 06:18.29 | andrei_ | if I am accepted into an university program, but the program will start next fall, am I eligible? |
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| 06:22.34 | andrei_ | nevermind, the answer was further down, sorry |
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| 07:30.22 | tbr | 'lo - I'm going to be a mentor (and backup admin, just in case) for the Xiph.org/Icecast proposal. Does my role need to be set to Mentor or Org Admin by the primary org admin for xiph.org? |
| 07:32.30 | valorie | org admin |
| 07:33.16 | valorie | you don't need a separate login as a mentor, or at least you have not needed one before |
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| 07:39.18 | Eskimon | Hello there :) |
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| 07:54.23 | Eskimon | I might need some help here... Did anyone manage to add a "backup administrator" in the organization connections ? I can see that user are added and organisation have them as mentor/admin but in the dashboard there are shown with "no role". Therefore on the main page there is always a reminder to add a backup to the org. |
| 07:55.39 | valorie | Eskimon: I did |
| 07:55.43 | valorie | it is a dance |
| 07:55.53 | valorie | first the backup must make a profile |
| 07:56.01 | Eskimon | yep this is ok |
| 07:56.07 | valorie | then you must request that they be an admin |
| 07:56.17 | Eskimon | I did that too. |
| 07:56.19 | valorie | THEN they must say, sure |
| 07:56.29 | valorie | and then YOU have to assign the role |
| 07:56.34 | Eskimon | oO |
| 07:56.38 | valorie | I know |
| 07:56.40 | Eskimon | got me lost there :D |
| 07:56.53 | valorie | just think of it as a dance, back and forth |
| 07:56.57 | valorie | and hum along |
| 07:57.25 | valorie | I don't recall it ever being so complicated |
| 07:57.37 | valorie | it wasn't for GCi |
| 08:00.02 | Eskimon | I will contact the backup/mentor and ask them to check *again* the dashboard to see if they can trigger something then... |
| 08:00.15 | Eskimon | Thanks valorie for the help :) |
| 08:00.22 | CFS-MP3 | Eskimon what we saw is that someone had two connections to the org |
| 08:00.29 | CFS-MP3 | one with "no role" and one with "mentor" |
| 08:00.56 | CFS-MP3 | if that's the case ask him to accept the organization role in both connections |
| 08:01.06 | CFS-MP3 | I have no idea how we got there but that was the only way to fix it |
| 08:01.29 | Eskimon | So it is somewhere in there dashboard that they should click something to accept the role I assign them right ? |
| 08:01.38 | CFS-MP3 | Yes, in "My connections" |
| 08:01.44 | valorie | I think so, yes |
| 08:02.00 | CFS-MP3 | they can see what orgs they are connected to. They have to click in yours and then explicitly accept the organization role |
| 08:02.18 | Eskimon | Because we are 3, on organizer (me) -> everything fine, one backup and one mentor -> No Role. |
| 08:02.25 | Eskimon | Ok will explaim them that |
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| 09:02.19 | Eskimon | valorie: thank you very much, we are now ok ! no more warning about backup missing :) |
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| 09:25.49 | ty221 | hi |
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| 09:37.29 | tesst | I want to delete my org proposal from GSoC |
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| 09:38.42 | olly | tesst: i don't think you easily can - just change the first field to "sorry, please ignore this application" |
| 09:39.12 | tesst | Cool :) |
| 09:39.15 | tesst | Thanks |
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| 09:44.50 | kblin | that's not a request I see frequently |
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| 09:49.14 | olly | it's not common, but I've seen it before |
| 09:49.32 | olly | I think last time two different people had started an org app for the same org |
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| 09:49.44 | tesst | kblin: Yes, I do understand. Its just we are applying from a different account and user and we dont want to have any duplicacy |
| 09:49.51 | tesst | Indeed we are participating :) |
| 09:50.08 | kblin | that makes sense, I guess |
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| 09:50.29 | tesst | I have also email |
| 09:50.44 | tesst | *emailed to carol and the programme id regarding the same |
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| 10:24.10 | t-Omicr0n | The FAQ says: "When your organization applies you will be asked to list a backup administrator as part of the application." but I didn't see any field in the signup form where I could fill in the username of the backup administrator... Am I missing something? |
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| 10:28.42 | gevaerts | !logs |
| 10:28.42 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 10:29.39 | gevaerts | t-Omicr0n: someone actually asked the same thing a few hours ago, but unfortunately it's not in the logs yet, so here's the discussion on a pastebin: http://pastie.org/private/2oftxtrsaaqqf3ecacklia |
| 10:29.58 | gevaerts | Note that I merely saw the discussion. I'm not an org admin, so I don't know the details |
| 10:31.37 | t-Omicr0n | Thanks! I'll check that out :-) |
| 10:31.38 | olly | t-Omicr0n: the main tip is to keep visiting the front page until there aren't any red boxes left |
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| 10:34.03 | kblin | yeah, I was a bit surprised by that as well |
| 10:34.13 | kblin | also that the todo list doesn't show up on my dashboard |
| 10:34.33 | kblin | during gsoc, I spend more time on the dashboard than on the main page |
| 10:34.50 | olly | hmm, that's bad |
| 10:35.00 | olly | (not showing up in the dashboard) |
| 10:35.05 | kblin | so I found this more by accident |
| 10:35.30 | olly | i missed the "org sees new admin" step for ages |
| 10:35.50 | olly | though there's no nag box for that, so I'm not sure how vital that is to do before the org app deadline |
| 10:35.55 | kblin | also, the error message if a person you invited hasn't created a profile for this year is pretty confusing |
| 10:36.08 | kblin | org sees new admin? |
| 10:36.53 | olly | if you look at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/connection/list/org/google/gsoc2015/USERNAME |
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| 10:37.09 | olly | then "Seen By Org" may still be "No" |
| 10:37.42 | olly | in which case you need to click on that entry and "SUBMIT" |
| 10:37.57 | olly | but since you invited them and they accepted, it seems superfulous |
| 10:37.59 | kblin | right, but if as an org I invite someone, and they accept, why would I need to submit on that again? |
| 10:38.03 | kblin | yeah |
| 10:38.03 | olly | *superfluous |
| 10:38.11 | olly | because melange |
| 10:38.20 | kblin | yeah :/ |
| 10:38.25 | olly | "Your application process is now complete. Good luck! You can modify your answers before 2015-03-02 00:00:00. " |
| 10:38.39 | olly | march 2nd?! |
| 10:38.59 | kblin | muahaha |
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| 10:39.26 | kblin | we'll, I assume technically this only gets locked once the accepted/declined notifications are sent |
| 10:39.49 | kblin | while the "apply" button probably gets disabled tonight |
| 10:40.11 | kblin | it's a bit like with the student evals, where students also can update post-submission |
| 10:40.37 | olly | tells #melange |
| 10:40.57 | olly | we really shouldn't be able to modify the org app though |
| 10:41.00 | kblin | but to be honest the thing that still annoys me most is that they still only use a couple of pixels for content |
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| 10:41.21 | olly | you mean the huge gaps down either side? |
| 10:41.52 | kblin | yes, why, oh why is the content limited to 700 pixels |
| 10:42.16 | kblin | 2005 called and wants its css designs back |
| 10:42.33 | olly | and it's really annoying to drag the textarea bigger and have the draggable corner end up underneath the border |
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| 10:42.56 | kblin | I've opened a bug for that years ago |
| 10:43.13 | olly | i thought I'd seen one |
| 10:43.42 | kblin | and especially for the overview tables linked from the dashboard, I'd really like to have more than 700 pixels |
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| 10:46.22 | olly | i think someone posted some user CSS to the mentors list |
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| 10:46.59 | olly | anyway, I should actually write the answer to the final org app question and then go to bed |
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| 10:50.41 | olly | kblin: seems you're right: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2534 |
| 10:51.42 | kblin | hehe |
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| 11:24.56 | andr2k | is there a way to remove my account? Accidentally registered as a mentor. |
| 11:25.13 | andr2k | But would like to participate as a student. |
| 11:26.32 | gevaerts | andr2k: ask in #melange, or on the mailing list mentioned in the topic of #melange |
| 11:27.19 | olly | !unmentor |
| 11:27.19 | gsocbot | olly: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
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| 11:27.49 | olly | andr2k: that's from last year, but probably still the correct procedure ^ |
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| 11:28.02 | andr2k | Thank you, guys. |
| 11:28.12 | olly | if you try it and are told it isn't, do let us know so we can correct what we're telling people to do |
| 11:28.18 | gevaerts | Ah, a factoid for it :) |
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| 11:31.00 | andr2k | I see that my profile is not fully created. I just logged in with my Google Account, so it should be enough to wait until the registration for students is open. |
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| 11:34.37 | olly | andr2k: yes, you're probably not a mentor then |
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| 11:36.15 | andr2k | My main language is PHP. I see many projects from the previous year. Just curious, is there a statistics about languages and technologies required during GSOC? |
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| 11:37.30 | olly | i don't think so |
| 11:37.58 | xkons | andr2k there are lots of different languages. you can check out the companies idea pages and see if there are any php projects |
| 11:38.02 | olly | i've never been asked for data about technologies used in the projects we mentor |
| 11:38.25 | olly | the orgs are not (at least in general) companies |
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| 11:51.19 | home | hey |
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| 12:21.07 | dimaursu16 | hey there! |
| 12:22.07 | dimaursu16 | I'm working on the proposal for the Diaspora* project and I wonder - does github issues with a label qualifies as a URL for Ideas list? |
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| 12:22.49 | dimaursu16 | we can of course add it to https://diasporafoundation.org/, but it's more cumbersome... |
| 12:24.45 | kblin | I think you should be putting some effort into the presentation of the ideas |
| 12:29.46 | dimaursu16 | ok, so diasporafoundation.org it is |
| 12:29.51 | dimaursu16 | thanks ;) |
| 12:31.24 | kblin | this has been a very common topic in the feedback meetings for the orgs that didn't make it |
| 12:31.48 | kblin | and I'm not convinced a github issues list is user friendly enough |
| 12:32.42 | kblin | keep in mind that most gsoc students don't have much experince in software development |
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| 12:33.55 | olly | unless the list is long, it's probably going to work better with all the content on one page |
| 12:34.08 | olly | rather than having to click to read every single idea |
| 12:34.58 | kblin | there |
| 12:35.02 | kblin | 's that as well |
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| 12:38.43 | CFS-MP3 | they say somewhere that a link to the bugtracker page is not an ideas list |
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| 12:40.35 | dimaursu16 | yeah, also we should keep the list for future reference. it quite hard to do that with GH issues. I'm trying to cut some corners :D, our project admin got sick for the last 3 days, and didn't told us. We'll make it. |
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| 12:40.57 | olly | CFS-MP3: I think that was more about literally linking to your bug tracker |
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| 12:43.07 | olly | if you enter your ideas in the bug tracker, but written up well and tagged such that the list only shows them, that's rather different |
| 12:43.25 | olly | though is probably not the best way to present them |
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| 12:46.48 | kblin | I think you could do something like linking to specific bugs from your ideas page |
| 12:47.22 | kblin | but you really want a short description of the idea on the ideas list, along with possible mentors, language used, difficulty, deliverables... |
| 12:47.31 | kblin | or make that expected outcomes |
| 12:47.39 | kblin | deliverables would be a bit too specific |
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| 12:49.00 | Pessimist | will organization list become instantly available after the deadline? |
| 12:49.21 | Pessimist | or what is the delay between the deadline and the list available? :p |
| 12:49.42 | kblin | well, first google needs to select the orgs |
| 12:49.53 | kblin | that takes a finite but measurable amount of time |
| 12:50.03 | kblin | !timeline | Pessimist |
| 12:50.03 | gsocbot | Pessimist: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015 |
| 12:54.48 | CFS-MP3 | I'm starting to get nervous... we did all we could so I think it's pencil down for us and hope for the best :-) |
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| 12:59.58 | gevaerts | CFS-MP3: in that case, join the venerable #gsoc tradition and have a cup of tea! |
| 13:00.40 | aghisla | adds small chocolate squares |
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| 13:03.30 | kblin | yay, chocolate |
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| 13:05.48 | downey | CFS-MP3: one thing I don't remember seeing on your page is where the students find the open source code repos of your projects they'll be working on (I haven't yet had coffee so I may be forgetting this) |
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| 13:19.11 | niuq | Is it possible to get our proposal accepted for some org even though I haven't contributed towards it before ? |
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| 13:20.03 | gevaerts | Depends. If you mean "before today", certainly. If you mean "before the org has to decide", it gets a lot harder |
| 13:21.10 | niuq | So it is indeed necessary to contribute to their org ? |
| 13:21.34 | mspo | it's not necessary |
| 13:22.19 | mspo | gevaerts: it depends on the org; if they have free slots they might be willing to take more of a risk on someone they don't know |
| 13:22.53 | gevaerts | niuq: it will strongly increase your chances, yes |
| 13:23.08 | mspo | err- yeah, niuq |
| 13:23.52 | niuq | okay |
| 13:23.58 | mspo | niuq: it's never too late to make contact, get on a support forum, comment on a bug, ... |
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| 13:24.28 | mspo | niuq: if you're *only* interested in a project in the context of gsoc then you might want to look at other potentials |
| 13:24.28 | gevaerts | mspo: that sort of risk isn't really in the spirit of gsoc, I'd say. If you have a few empty slots and no student you strongly believe they're a good candidate, you should give back the slot so other organisations that *do* have such candidates can use it |
| 13:24.58 | gevaerts | niuq: "contribute" can mean fixing a simple bug. It doesn't mean spending weeks on something |
| 13:25.13 | niuq | Can you elaborate upon those other potentials ? |
| 13:25.24 | niuq | Oh okay |
| 13:25.25 | mspo | gevaerts: I didn't mean "just whoever" but like a pool of unknown people |
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| 13:25.56 | mspo | niuq: if you're only a little interested in project X for gsoc and don't plan on sticking with it you might want to see if there's one you would like to stay involved in |
| 13:25.58 | gevaerts | mspo: it's all in the details of course :) |
| 13:26.02 | mspo | yah |
| 13:26.30 | gevaerts | Don't try to fill a slot *just* because you happen to have a slot, and things will be fine :) |
| 13:26.49 | mspo | niuq: prior involvement is a huge show of faith that you won't drop off the map mid-summer |
| 13:27.30 | niuq | Yea right |
| 13:27.39 | gevaerts | It also shows you aren't making things up when you say you've used some language before |
| 13:28.35 | niuq | Will new org show up this time in GSoC ? |
| 13:29.43 | gevaerts | Almost certainly, yes |
| 13:29.56 | gevaerts | There have been new orgs in *every* gsoc so far |
| 13:30.53 | niuq | How do they decide upon the proposals if no one had contributed towards them before ? |
| 13:31.36 | gevaerts | They're new organisations in gsoc, they are *not* new at open source software |
| 13:31.59 | gevaerts | Apart from that, yes, many of them still have to learn some things about gsoc |
| 13:32.06 | niuq | oh okay |
| 13:32.51 | gevaerts | Although sometimes they have some people who have been involved in gsoc with other organisations |
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| 13:33.47 | niuq | One last thing, is there a detailed description about project from gsoc2014 somwehere ?, all I can locate is the short descriptions about projects on the google site |
| 13:34.28 | gevaerts | Not in general |
| 13:35.22 | niuq | oh okay, Thanks for the help |
| 13:36.06 | gevaerts | If you want to know about a specific project, you might be able to find more with web searches, or you can contact the organisation directly |
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| 13:36.28 | niuq | okay |
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| 14:35.04 | ESphynx | hey guys, so are admins taking snapshots of our ideas page today or can fine-tune it over the weekend? |
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| 14:38.33 | gevaerts | ESphynx: actually they're starting reviews right away |
| 14:38.48 | gevaerts | The safe assumption is that what's not there at the deadline won't be seen |
| 14:38.50 | ESphynx | gevaerts: at 19:00 UTC or right now |
| 14:38.58 | gevaerts | 19:00 UTC |
| 14:39.09 | ESphynx | ok. good to know :) that's what I wanted to double-check :P |
| 14:39.20 | ESphynx | shifts into gear |
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| 14:54.20 | SirCmpwn | is the backup org admin required by today's deadline? |
| 14:55.05 | gevaerts | Yes, as far as I know |
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| 14:55.16 | SirCmpwn | shit |
| 14:55.22 | SirCmpwn | not a lot of warning |
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| 14:56.35 | oddvar | hey, how long can the "Description of the organization to be displayed on a public profile page." be? |
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| 15:27.48 | sahilverma | is it too early to start preparing for gsoc in 1st year? |
| 15:28.49 | sahilverma | anyone there? |
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| 15:31.00 | umccullough | it's too early for anyone to be awake |
| 15:31.08 | sahilverma | no |
| 15:31.24 | sahilverma | ohh |
| 15:31.32 | umccullough | i kid... it's 7:30am here |
| 15:31.49 | sahilverma | its 9 pm here |
| 15:31.58 | xkons | 4:30pm |
| 15:32.08 | umccullough | sahilverma, what do you mean prepare in 1st year? |
| 15:32.26 | sahilverma | i was having doubts if this really was a chat area |
| 15:32.31 | sahilverma | i mean |
| 15:33.02 | sahilverma | i've just learned C in my first sem. 2nd sem i've started with c++ and competitive coding |
| 15:33.30 | umccullough | oh, you mean first year of university? |
| 15:33.34 | sahilverma | when i researched about gsoc evrything seemed above my level |
| 15:33.40 | sahilverma | open source projects |
| 15:33.43 | sahilverma | api's |
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| 15:34.11 | sahilverma | yes i meant 1st year universtiy :) |
| 15:34.17 | umccullough | GSoC doesnt' necessarily have a "level" - each organization that participates chooses the students that they think will succeed on the projects they propose |
| 15:34.17 | mspo | competitive coding? |
| 15:34.28 | mspo | the most boring sport? :) |
| 15:34.47 | umccullough | if you are not greatly skilled, it could diminish your chances of being selected |
| 15:34.47 | Pessimist | what's competetive coding? |
| 15:35.05 | umccullough | but you can certainly try to apply |
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| 15:35.24 | sahilverma | i'm going to apply for 2016 |
| 15:35.53 | sahilverma | what all should i focus on during this time? |
| 15:36.11 | umccullough | getting involved with open source projects (preferably ones that are likely to participate next year) |
| 15:36.15 | Pessimist | I know about competitions where people have to think of a algorithm to solve a given problem asap but what kind of module "competetive coding" is in I assume a university? |
| 15:36.53 | umccullough | sahilverma, students who are already involved with the FOSS projects before GSoC begins stand a much better chance of succeeding with their proposals |
| 15:37.18 | umccullough | and fwiw, gsoc is not "competitive coding" |
| 15:37.48 | umccullough | it's not even really a competition, except for the part where you're trying to impress the organization with your proposal |
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| 15:38.17 | sahilverma | i was just letting you know that i practice code, thats all :) |
| 15:38.22 | sahilverma | i know its not a competition |
| 15:38.35 | ignacio | carols, can you help me with something? |
| 15:38.40 | carols | ignacio: maybe |
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| 15:38.44 | carols | depends on what it is |
| 15:38.50 | ignacio | carols, its about the gci prizes |
| 15:38.57 | carols | ignacio: then nope, i canât help at all |
| 15:39.06 | carols | i donât run gci |
| 15:39.09 | ignacio | carols, hmm, maybe youcan, |
| 15:39.11 | ignacio | but it about fedex |
| 15:39.16 | ignacio | google pay the taxes for every country? |
| 15:39.18 | carols | ignacio: no, i really donât think i can |
| 15:39.19 | ignacio | or I need to pay them? |
| 15:39.22 | carols | i have no idea |
| 15:39.24 | ignacio | oh, okay |
| 15:39.26 | ignacio | thanks carols |
| 15:39.29 | carols | yw |
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| 15:40.19 | sahilverma | how do i get introduced to open source? |
| 15:40.27 | umccullough | you introduce yourself :) |
| 15:40.47 | Pessimist | If gsoc pays me maybe google can do it through a local google division? |
| 15:40.58 | Pessimist | To avoid fiddling with taxes and other stuff |
| 15:40.59 | noplay1 | Say hello to project you love |
| 15:41.58 | Pessimist | sahilverma, usually you use some free software, you encounter a bug and it annoys you so you have an incentive to fix it. So then you read the code, fix the bug / improve the code and send a patch to the creator(s) |
| 15:42.24 | umccullough | sahilverma, i imagine it goes something like this: 1) find project you like/use, 2) learn what you can about it on your own, reading their website, mailing lists, etc., 3) contact people involved with project (via mailing list, IRC, etc.) and tell them you'd like to help, ask where you can start |
| 15:42.46 | umccullough | maybe you insert 2.5) find a bug, submit a patch via whatever bug tracker/patch submission system they use |
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| 15:44.19 | umccullough | maybe you don't start with coding, that's up to you |
| 15:44.29 | umccullough | i've seen people start with improving documentation, or just testing the software and reporting bugs |
| 15:44.39 | noplay1 | Or translation |
| 15:44.40 | aghisla | that's what I did! |
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| 15:45.07 | aghisla | translating documentation is incredibly useful as you read it very carefully and learn so much |
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| 15:45.16 | aghisla | (if is well written) |
| 15:46.02 | noplay1 | You can also answer questions on the project forum / newsletter. Helping new people using the software |
| 15:46.19 | umccullough | ah yes, that's a good way too |
| 15:46.39 | noplay1 | It's very usefull for developer, basic support is time consuming |
| 15:46.41 | umccullough | this shows you're familiar with the software and know how it works |
| 15:47.31 | noplay1 | And as a developer of the project you have the feeling you are not alone, but a true community, who can live without you |
| 15:47.33 | downey | hmm, i suppose it's time for MDO to start thinking about doing a GSoC application |
| 15:47.42 | sahilverma | so knowing the code behind the software is not important? |
| 15:47.59 | umccullough | not immediately |
| 15:48.11 | umccullough | if you want to get involved with coding, that will be important |
| 15:48.13 | mspo | sahilverma: for getting involved in open source? no; for doing GSoC? probably |
| 15:48.20 | noplay1 | The more important is the software, not the code |
| 15:49.15 | noplay1 | My sister is involved in open source and don't know how to code. She is a lawyer, and helping french project with legal issues. |
| 15:49.49 | sahilverma | i want my approach to be gsoc oriented |
| 15:50.01 | umccullough | i wouldn't think of it that way |
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| 15:50.14 | umccullough | the ultimate goal of GSoC is to add useful contribitors to FOSS projects |
| 15:50.20 | umccullough | at least, that's how i always envisioned it |
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| 15:50.52 | umccullough | i think a lot of FOSS projects are developer-heavy, and they really need extra help on non-develompent tasks too |
| 15:50.58 | umccullough | contributors who can do both are golden |
| 15:51.13 | bitsandbytez | hey guys |
| 15:51.35 | carols | hi bitsandbytez |
| 15:51.56 | sahilverma | the list of projects seem alienish to me |
| 15:52.23 | sahilverma | the ones on gsoc melange |
| 15:52.32 | umccullough | what page are you looking at? |
| 15:52.47 | sahilverma | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2014 |
| 15:53.12 | umccullough | those are individual proposals by students |
| 15:53.42 | umccullough | if you're looking for the list of participating organizations it was: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 15:53.43 | sahilverma | where else should i look ? |
| 15:54.05 | carols | sahilverma: how about this. what is your goal? youâre trying to find an open source organization to volunteer for? |
| 15:54.13 | carols | or youâre trying to find sample student projects? |
| 15:54.22 | umccullough | he's planning to sign up gsoc 2016 |
| 15:54.31 | carols | okay⦠|
| 15:54.34 | umccullough | he/she |
| 15:54.48 | sahilverma | he |
| 15:54.54 | umccullough | :) |
| 15:55.00 | umccullough | i've made the mistake before ;) |
| 15:55.17 | sahilverma | lol :) |
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| 15:57.56 | sahilverma | basically i have always wanted to work for google, then i happened to know about gsoc from my senior and spent my whole day researching about it . after a lot of research i entered this chat somehow |
| 15:58.19 | sahilverma | and now im trying to figure out how to get into gsoc next year |
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| 15:58.26 | oddvar | gsoc is not just about working for google though |
| 15:58.36 | umccullough | actually, it's not working for google... at all :) |
| 15:58.37 | mspo | sahilverma: work on things google uses |
| 15:58.56 | carols | sahilverma: participating in gsoc is not working for google |
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| 15:59.12 | carols | itâs developing for the open source organization |
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| 15:59.58 | sahilverma | i know its not working for google |
| 15:59.59 | sahilverma | but it will surely help me later |
| 16:00.14 | carols | sahilverma: okay, then if you just want to learn more about gsoc, have you read the student manual already? |
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| 16:04.02 | aghisla | thanks valorie for the instructions to add backup admin! we fixed our application just now. |
| 16:04.18 | foobarbaz | I am sorry if this question somehow answers itself, I just want to make sure I got everything correct: It *is* allowed to participate as a part-time student, as long as one is enrolled in a university? |
| 16:04.49 | carols | foobarbaz: sure, assuming you meet the other eligibility requirements |
| 16:04.51 | |Kev| | carols: Hi. Sorry, I know you're permabusy - do you still offer to take a pre-application glance at ideas pages? If so I'd appreciate any comments on http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2015 - if not, nevermind! |
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| 16:05.21 | carols | |Kev|: whereâs the difficulty level on these ideas? |
| 16:05.37 | foobarbaz | Okay, great, thank you! |
| 16:05.49 | |Kev| | Oh, hell's bells, I knew I'd forgotten something this year. Thanks muchly. |
| 16:05.54 | carols | |Kev|: yw |
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| 16:08.39 | carols | serves some tea and coffee on the cleared table |
| 16:09.05 | mspo | carols: mind looking at https://wiki.netbsd.org/projects/gsoc/ ? |
| 16:09.08 | sgallagh | carols: If you're handing out free advice, mind sharing some on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2015 ? :) |
| 16:09.33 | carols | mspo: you need exprected results/success criteria on these |
| 16:09.46 | carols | sgallagh: so do you |
| 16:09.55 | mspo | thanks |
| 16:10.28 | aghisla | adds a gsoc-sized box of tea biscuits |
| 16:10.28 | mspo | I'll flesh them out more |
| 16:10.34 | carols | sgallagh: thereâs a lot of variance on your page with how flehshed out the ideas are too |
| 16:10.39 | carols | they should be roughly equivalent |
| 16:10.46 | |Kev| | carols: Fixed. I'll keep trying to tweak it as long as I can find stuff to tewak, but was there anything else that jumped out? |
| 16:10.54 | sgallagh | carols: OK, thanks |
| 16:10.55 | carols | |Kev|: no, thatâs all i saw |
| 16:11.00 | |Kev| | Thanks muchly. |
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| 16:21.56 | mspo | carols: is this example more what you were talking about? https://wiki.netbsd.org/projects/project/anita-vms/ |
| 16:22.28 | carols | mspo: yes. it would help my team when weâre reading your ideas page to give the results a separate header or bold it or something |
| 16:22.34 | carols | but yes, you need that for all the ideas |
| 16:22.44 | mspo | thanks |
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| 16:38.55 | def- | carols: We tried to improve our ideas page after your feedback yesterday. I'd appreciate if you can take a look whether it's better now: https://github.com/Araq/Nim/wiki/GSoC-2015-Ideas |
| 16:39.39 | carols | def-: looks much better. |
| 16:39.46 | carols | i donât have any immediate comments |
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| 16:47.51 | carols | just a little more than 2 hours left for org apps, hope everyoneâs got theirs in :-) |
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| 16:49.22 | |Kev| | carols: How poorly will you look at us if I can't find the pass/fail rate for 2005-2006? I've been looking for some time (as have others), and I haven't yet been able to find them. |
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| 16:49.41 | carols | |Kev|: not very poorly. itâs more for us to see trends over time |
| 16:49.49 | |Kev| | Thanks. |
| 16:49.54 | anth_x | |Kev| has your org changed admins? |
| 16:50.22 | |Kev| | anth_x: Yeah. I think I started adminning in maybe 2007 or so. |
| 16:50.24 | anth_x | oh, never mind. that's pre-melange. |
| 16:50.38 | |Kev| | Right. I've been an admin for as long as there's been melange. |
| 16:50.41 | oddvar | carols, have a coffee! also if you have any comments on https://github.com/matrix-org/GSoC/blob/master/IDEAS.md that'd be appreciated :) |
| 16:50.49 | |Kev| | (For those years we participated, at least) |
| 16:51.18 | carols | oddvar: i like that the depth on each idea is roughly equivalent, but iâd recommend adding a little more flesh to each one |
| 16:51.28 | carols | oddvar: theyâre a litttle sparce right now |
| 16:51.32 | oddvar | oki |
| 16:51.45 | oddvar | thanks |
| 16:51.48 | carols | oddvar: also, a longer, better description of your org would be very helpful |
| 16:52.01 | oddvar | oh, at the beginning of the page? |
| 16:52.08 | carols | i know itâs always on the application, but we like it on the ideas page for the students as well |
| 16:52.10 | carols | yes |
| 16:52.14 | oddvar | yeah that makes sense |
| 16:52.18 | oddvar | cheers |
| 16:52.21 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:01.30 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 17:02.31 | xkons | grabs a cup of tea |
| 17:02.51 | anth_x | are ideas pages grabbed/frozen when the application period ends, or viewed live? (what i'm really asking is: will changes made over the weekend likely be seen by the OSPO folks?) |
| 17:03.20 | carols | anth_x: yes, they will be seen. but they must be complete and accessible by the deadline, as we do rounds of reviews that start today |
| 17:03.35 | carols | if itâs not complete today that will exempt you from future rounds next week |
| 17:03.50 | anth_x | perfect, thanks. |
| 17:03.54 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:04.25 | carols | donât be the org that finds out in the rejection irc meeting that we couldnât access your page today :-) |
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| 17:04.47 | |Kev| | I've spent far too long on this over the last few days, and I fear that a little thing like the deadline won't save me from keeping poking at it for some time to come. |
| 17:05.18 | carols | |Kev|: well, in an ideal world the ideas page isnât for gsoc. itâs just a document your org is always using and ccontributing to for new developers no matter what time of year |
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| 17:06.15 | |Kev| | carols: Indeed. And for my XMPP project I keep such a thing, but for the XSF as a whole (umbrella) org of quite disparate projects, it doesn't quite work that way. Maybe it should though, I'll raise that at the next Council meeting, thanks. |
| 17:06.24 | carols | cheers |
| 17:06.48 | |Kev| | Added to the agenda :) |
| 17:06.52 | carols | :-) |
| 17:07.06 | carols | see, gsoc has already helped and it hasnât even started yet |
| 17:07.53 | |Kev| | GSoC has helped many times over. The release I'm hoping to get out today (guess I missed that, too busy on GSoC applications) or next week has largely been finished off by an ex-GSoC student. |
| 17:07.54 | anth_x | carols: the gsoc requirement has got us started maintaining ideas lists better, but we make a new page for each gsoc, with potential mentors and difficulty estimations, which isn't part of our normal process. |
| 17:08.00 | anth_x | also, selecting summer-sized projects. |
| 17:08.07 | carols | anth_x: thatâs great to hear! |
| 17:09.04 | tbr | actually tries to remember and tags potential Xiph/Icecast tickets with gsoc over the year if they could be scoped as a student project |
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| 17:09.22 | tbr | helps making the ideas list |
| 17:09.46 | carols | i think all open source organizations should make ideas lists, whether they plan to apply for gsoc or not |
| 17:09.56 | carols | itâs just a good exercise for thinking about your work |
| 17:10.22 | oddvar | heh that's true |
| 17:10.26 | tbr | on a tangent, tickets should also be marked if they are "easy and entry level" |
| 17:10.31 | |Kev| | I think you can scrub 'opensource' from that, to be honest. Everyone should have an idea where they want to go, and it's great for 'onlining' folks in commercial teams too. |
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| 17:10.54 | tbr | as sometimes people show up and want to try contributing and ask what they should do |
| 17:11.15 | |Kev| | Yeah. Teaser tasks lists are really great things for OS projects to maintain. |
| 17:11.17 | carols | i should put together a talk for the conferences this year about the value of an ideas page in your community. |
| 17:11.34 | carols | makes a note to herself |
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| 17:12.52 | |Kev| | All the community stuff is the most interesting side to GSoC (and open source in general), I think. Although I'm sure there are those that'd ostracise me for not thinking code is first and foremost :) |
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| 17:14.21 | |Kev| | Well, no, for GSoC also the 'helping students get started as good devs' thing. The more people get good mentoring in the software sphere the better (or possibly all spheres). |
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| 17:18.30 | CFS-MP3 | carols, if you are not superbusy with the countdown, could you check out this page? https://sites.google.com/site/distributedlittleredhen/gsoc2015 - we did all we could to follow your advice from yesterday |
| 17:18.43 | NikolaiToryzin | |Kev|: Personally, I think the reason people work together so well in FOSS stems from a community. |
| 17:18.49 | NikolaiToryzin | Like imagine this channel without tea |
| 17:19.16 | |Kev| | NikolaiToryzin: Heh, yes, the tea may well help (although I'm a blasphemous non-tea-drinker) |
| 17:20.01 | carols | CFS-MP3: youâre still missing a lot of depth on some of these ideas. why not cut the list by half and grow the ideasâ depth 50%? and are you sure all of these ideas could become fully-fledged 3 month projects? |
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| 17:21.01 | downey | NikolaiToryzin: http://i.imgur.com/IrdYVVi.jpg |
| 17:21.17 | ESphynx | carols: it really is ill advised to tweak our ideas list past 19 UTC? |
| 17:21.45 | |Kev| | ESphynx: Tweaking is fine as I understand it, it just has to be 'complete' at the deadline, as it'll be continually judged from then on. |
| 17:21.49 | NikolaiToryzin | downey: Lol, and that just proves my community point :) |
| 17:21.54 | carols | ESphynx: no, itâs not ill advised. just be prepared for being judged based on whatâs available at 19:01 utc. if youâre fine with that, tweak away |
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| 17:22.05 | |Kev| | downey: Excellent. |
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| 17:22.13 | ESphynx | carols: well I'm scared an upload in the middle will result in it being inaccessible :P |
| 17:22.25 | carols | ESphynx: well, that sounds like something youâll have to consider :-) |
| 17:22.33 | NikolaiToryzin | L |
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| 17:22.39 | downey | CFS-MP3: one thing that crossed my mind on your page -- are all your ideas for students to create new code or are they working on existing code base? if the latter it doesn't seem too easy for students to find the code they'd be working on |
| 17:22.42 | NikolaiToryzin | Ignore the't. |
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| 17:26.31 | CFS-MP3 | downey Yes, that's true. The code right now is probably too disperse. I mean the links to it are in the ideas page, but close to each idea. We should have an index for all the tools |
| 17:27.14 | downey | CFS-MP3: cool. students will generally want to take a look and see if the code is something they can "handle" :-) |
| 17:29.21 | CFS-MP3 | carols to be honest we don't think even 10% of the ideas can be done over the summer (even with plenty of slots). We're not looking to have all of them done - this is a very long term research project, and we'd be happy to have a few of them done this year. We thought it was best to suggest a lot of things to do and have the students choose whatever pick their interest |
| 17:30.19 | |Kev| | CFS-MP3: But can each project be done over the summer? That is - is each of them possible? It's assumed you won't cover every project in the summer, but each should be doable. |
| 17:31.13 | CFS-MP3 | |Kev| Yes, I think individually each of them is doable of course. We do have really good mentors too, and they've really embraced GSOC |
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| 17:32.21 | ty221 | hi carols |
| 17:32.21 | |Kev| | CFS-MP3: Were you the distributedlittleredhen? I'm losing track. |
| 17:32.25 | CFS-MP3 | downey yes, I'm getting everyone to send me links to their repositories |
| 17:32.28 | carols | ty221: hi |
| 17:32.35 | downey | CFS-MP3: awesome :) |
| 17:32.43 | CFS-MP3 | |Kev| yes, I'm with red hen :-) |
| 17:32.43 | |Kev| | If so, is "Expected outcome: Produce synchronized transcripts for a sample dataset." something that would make sense as an expected outcome to someone outside your community? (It doesn't to me) |
| 17:33.19 | CFS-MP3 | Um, why not? How do we make it clearer? |
| 17:33.24 | |Kev| | I'm struggling with sensible deliverables for our ideas page, because putting myself in the not-a-community-member mindset to guess what's tractable is hard. |
| 17:33.56 | NikolaiToryzin | |Kev|: Act like you've never used a computer before. |
| 17:34.03 | NikolaiToryzin | Actually that's a bit much |
| 17:34.15 | |Kev| | NikolaiToryzin: OK THANK YOU> |
| 17:34.22 | |Kev| | ;) |
| 17:34.30 | NikolaiToryzin | Okay mom |
| 17:35.48 | |Kev| | CFS-MP3: I don't know. I just don't find those ideas entirely self-explanatory. Possibly because I'm tremendously twp, or maybe they're not obvious without domain knowledge. e.g. 'detect audible breathing' is something I can understand, some of the others less so. |
| 17:36.01 | |Kev| | But maybe I'm a bad person to take advice from anyway :) |
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| 17:37.45 | CFS-MP3 | |Kev| well, we take all advice. If something is not clear to you probably it won't be clear to some or many students either |
| 17:38.32 | |Kev| | FWIW, I do now think I understand what the synchronisation stuff means. I just had to think for a while. |
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| 17:40.57 | CFS-MP3 | what the red hen guys are doing is pretty amazing actually (what I do is very minor in the big picture). |
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| 17:44.29 | CFS-MP3 | |Kev| so what's your org? |
| 17:45.35 | |Kev| | CFS-MP3: XMPP Standards Foundation. Umbrella org for XMPP (messaging protocol) projects. |
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| 17:49.28 | CFS-MP3 | So many cool projects and orgs :-) |
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| 17:51.47 | bitsandbytez | any python projects? |
| 17:52.18 | NikolaiToryzin | bitsandbytez, We have one idea in Python |
| 17:52.59 | CFS-MP3 | My one patch ever to a jabber program is now 11 years old... time really flies |
| 17:54.31 | |Kev| | CFS-MP3: Oh, which? I'm been around for longer than 11 years. |
| 17:56.41 | bitsandbytez | do you have a link NikolaToryzin? |
| 17:57.13 | NikolaiToryzin | bitsandbytez, https://wiki.tox.im/GSoC/2015/Ideas#Major_improvements |
| 17:57.40 | CFS-MP3 | http://www.jabberstudio.org/projects/jabberd2/bugs/view.php?id=3061 (the link doesn't work anymore but that URL is mentioned a lot) |
| 17:57.47 | CFS-MP3 | it was a crash in jabberd2 |
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| 17:58.06 | CFS-MP3 | I was going to get seriously involved but my boss decided not to go ahead so I had to move on |
| 17:58.46 | bitsandbytez | Thanks! |
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| 18:01.20 | bitsandbytez | really hope I can get into one of these |
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| 18:02.54 | |Kev| | CFS-MP3: Oh. One of the few major servers I've not seriously played with. |
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| 18:14.02 | carols | hope everyoneâs finished their applications :-) |
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| 18:14.07 | carols | no deadline extensions :-) |
| 18:14.23 | ESphynx | carols: we still have 46 minutes right? |
| 18:14.28 | carols | ESphynx: you do, yes. |
| 18:14.36 | ESphynx | is putting intense music |
| 18:15.13 | CFS-MP3 | thank god, let's let the anxiousness end :-) |
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| 18:19.56 | carols | !next |
| 18:19.58 | gsocbot | carols: "next" is GSoC org apps are now being accepted. They close on 20 Feb at 19:00 UTC: http://goo.gl/MUATWR |
| 18:20.00 | NikolaiToryzin | And this, is why I start my ideas page weeks in advance :) |
| 18:20.10 | carols | thanks gsocbot |
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| 18:20.57 | |Kev| | !extension |
| 18:20.57 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "extension" is extension is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
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| 18:21.40 | |Kev| | And now I shall go out training and hope that "Your application process is now complete. Good luck! You can modify your answers before 2015-03-02 00:00:00." means everything is in order, while spending the evening fretting that it isn't. |
| 18:23.04 | ESphynx | If I have a heart attack building trying to wrap up this ideas list in time, it will have been a worthy cause. |
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| 18:23.17 | carols | ESphynx: please donât do that. |
| 18:23.22 | carols | that would be very sad for us all. |
| 18:23.49 | austin_laptop | will lack of a logo cause a rejected application? I got an email saying that we don't have a backup admin (I set one yesterday), but there isn't a logo uploaded yet (I can't find a 256x256 version) |
| 18:24.00 | NikolaiToryzin | austin_laptop, Yes. |
| 18:24.05 | NikolaiToryzin | Please do that asap |
| 18:24.06 | umccullough | austin_laptop, just take a logo and scale it up if you can't find one :P |
| 18:24.15 | umccullough | better than nothing |
| 18:24.28 | umccullough | that's what I did, while waiting for one of our graphics guys to get me a better one |
| 18:24.51 | austin_laptop | well, the email should've specified that then :) |
| 18:24.53 | NikolaiToryzin | What's funny is that my backup admin happened to have our last years logo lying around and it was the perfect size. |
| 18:25.04 | NikolaiToryzin | austin_laptop, It's written on the application form :) |
| 18:25.16 | umccullough | our gsoc/gci logos have historically been 64x64 |
| 18:25.16 | austin_laptop | I tried last year's, it was a different size :( |
| 18:25.30 | irungentoo | NikolaiToryzin, it was the one from the wiki |
| 18:25.31 | NikolaiToryzin | umccullough, Wait...seriously? |
| 18:25.38 | umccullough | open in paint program, resize, done |
| 18:25.39 | NikolaiToryzin | irungentoo, Oh! Lol |
| 18:25.52 | downey | !tea | ESphynx |
| 18:25.52 | gsocbot | ESphynx: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 18:25.53 | austin_laptop | NikolaiToryzin, the email says: We have determined that the application process has not been completed because there is no backup administrator for your organization. ... |
| 18:25.54 | austin_laptop | Please keep in mind that your organization will not be accepted into the program if you fail to provide a backup administrator. |
| 18:26.03 | umccullough | NikolaiToryzin, they only seem to show on the front page in the list of icons, so it was never a big deal |
| 18:26.08 | austin_laptop | I could see someone getting that email and ignoring it in error, as I almost did |
| 18:26.13 | umccullough | and our org description includes a larger logo |
| 18:26.32 | NikolaiToryzin | austin_laptop, I see, #melange might appreciate that feedback better :) |
| 18:26.45 | umccullough | the problem for Haiku is that our logo is... not square |
| 18:26.51 | kovak | is the backup administrator just setting a second administrator in organization connections or is there another place? |
| 18:27.00 | NikolaiToryzin | Just a 2nd |
| 18:27.09 | kovak | thanks |
| 18:27.54 | umccullough | NikolaiToryzin, see here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/haiku |
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| 18:28.11 | umccullough | logo at top vs logo in our description |
| 18:28.12 | austin_laptop | NikolaiToryzin, sure, thanks again |
| 18:28.25 | CFS-MP3 | NikolaiToryzin we also start our ideas page weeks in advance but that doesn't prevent good ideas appearing at the last minute :-) |
| 18:28.36 | NikolaiToryzin | umccullough, You got that to fit somehow! I remember you handed out square-ish stickers like that at SCALE one year |
| 18:28.50 | umccullough | yeah |
| 18:28.55 | umccullough | but it's not our official logo :) |
| 18:29.24 | umccullough | the H with leaf is sort of a compromise we did for things like this |
| 18:29.25 | oddvar | do we have to have specific mentors for each project idea, or can we put "someone from <your org here>" ? |
| 18:29.25 | CFS-MP3 | carols will you be releasing stats after the deadline? I mean number of applications and if you can share, how many orgs you will be accepting (and veteran vs new) |
| 18:29.45 | carols | CFS-MP3: we announce all that in our blog post when we announce accepted orgs. |
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| 18:30.03 | NikolaiToryzin | oddvar, You don't have to have that totally set yet, as your org would choose proposals and assign mentors off that. |
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| 18:30.42 | oddvar | NikolaiToryzin, ok cool - so for now do we just have a generic list of mentors - or do we not even need that? |
| 18:30.46 | CFS-MP3 | carols I know, I was hoping to get some early numbers so I could do some math :-) Anyway the announcement is not so far away |
| 18:31.10 | NikolaiToryzin | oddvar, Try to be detailed when you can, but don't be too confusing. |
| 18:31.16 | umccullough | oddvar, i think just need to specify how many |
| 18:31.30 | NikolaiToryzin | CFS-MP3, They publish last years stats as well, and the year before. |
| 18:31.35 | NikolaiToryzin | You can look at those if you want |
| 18:31.38 | NikolaiToryzin | !stats |
| 18:31.38 | gsocbot | NikolaiToryzin: I have 3 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 18:31.41 | NikolaiToryzin | damn |
| 18:31.45 | umccullough | !numapps |
| 18:31.46 | gsocbot | umccullough: "numapps" is 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 18:31.46 | NikolaiToryzin | !gsocstats |
| 18:31.50 | NikolaiToryzin | ;_; |
| 18:33.11 | umccullough | was it 371 or 317 orgs last year? |
| 18:33.31 | NikolaiToryzin | Gosh, I don't even remember |
| 18:33.38 | carols | umccullough: that applied? |
| 18:33.41 | umccullough | yeah |
| 18:33.44 | NikolaiToryzin | I'd assume the command would be right though |
| 18:33.45 | carols | 371 |
| 18:33.56 | umccullough | well, the command was wrong at one point, and i didn't recall if we fixed it ;) |
| 18:34.00 | carols | technically, 372, but one org applied twice |
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| 18:34.57 | carols | i guess the opposite of asking for an extension is applying twice :-) |
| 18:35.41 | umccullough | doubles the chances of being accepted! |
| 18:35.46 | carols | nope :-) |
| 18:35.47 | downey | carols: can MDO get an extension? We have our initial project idea brainstorming meeting tonight |
| 18:35.48 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, Did you at least double consider them? :P |
| 18:36.01 | carols | downey: of course, anything for mdo |
| 18:36.06 | downey | aw shucks |
| 18:36.09 | Slurpee | lol |
| 18:36.18 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: just meant more work for me deleting one of their applications :-) |
| 18:36.19 | downey | we should be ready in 1-2 weeks |
| 18:36.26 | NikolaiToryzin | hah |
| 18:36.29 | carols | downey: right around student application time? |
| 18:36.32 | carols | yeah, sounds about right |
| 18:36.37 | downey | around there or a little after |
| 18:36.45 | carols | thatâs what makes you most desirable. |
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| 18:36.48 | downey | indeed |
| 18:36.55 | croozeus | !logs |
| 18:36.55 | gsocbot | croozeus: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:37.04 | NikolaiToryzin | downey, Proposal idea, getting the most desirable of students to come up with ideas. |
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| 18:37.49 | downey | NikolaiToryzin: nice, let's discuss in #mdo |
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| 18:38.17 | croozeus | !stats |
| 18:38.17 | gsocbot | croozeus: I have 3 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 18:38.34 | croozeus | !numapps |
| 18:38.34 | gsocbot | croozeus: "numapps" is 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 18:38.35 | mspo | what is mdo? |
| 18:38.57 | NikolaiToryzin | mspo, The most desirable organisation of all of GSoC. |
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| 18:39.07 | mspo | NikolaiToryzin: oic |
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| 18:39.45 | carols | mspo: iâm surprised you think that explains it :-) |
| 18:39.56 | carols | itâs very inside-joke |
| 18:40.49 | mspo | carols: I'm good at assumptions ;) |
| 18:40.52 | carols | :-) |
| 18:41.52 | downey | mspo: http://mostdesirable.org/ |
| 18:42.40 | mspo | downey: I may have to borrow that logo for netbsd |
| 18:42.56 | downey | mspo: feel free, i made it myself :-) |
| 18:43.06 | carols | downey: is that logo cc licensed? |
| 18:43.09 | downey | dom96: CC0 |
| 18:43.14 | downey | carols: CC0 even |
| 18:43.17 | carols | :-) |
| 18:43.21 | carols | awesome |
| 18:43.23 | downey | has typing fatigue in the last minutes |
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| 18:46.12 | carols | downey: are you folks still updating your ideas page? |
| 18:46.32 | downey | carols: nah, i'm helping another org :) |
| 18:46.43 | carols | i see :-) |
| 18:47.03 | downey | carols: our mentors will surely keep hacking on their "sure they're finished" ideas though up until orgs are announced |
| 18:47.12 | carols | yeah |
| 18:47.45 | downey | and like was mentioned on the list, there are usually a few who just get the message around this time and have some epiphany :) |
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| 18:49.33 | gforce | hi is it too late to start contributing to a particular organization for getting selected in gsoc 2015? |
| 18:49.46 | carols | gforce: nope, please feel free |
| 18:49.52 | CFS-MP3 | downey I'd expect that to be the norm among creative people |
| 18:49.53 | carols | you can start today. |
| 18:50.38 | CFS-MP3 | carols is it OK to be involved with two orgs? (I mean even administratively in melange) |
| 18:50.46 | carols | CFS-MP3: sure, lots of people are |
| 18:50.57 | carols | that of course assumes you have the time for it :-) |
| 18:51.04 | carols | but youâre welcome to do it if you can manage it |
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| 18:52.29 | CFS-MP3 | Well, one is my primary one (now veteran) and the other one is new (and I promised to help them all them way). No issues with time |
| 18:52.44 | carols | cool |
| 18:53.33 | CFS-MP3 | carols a problem with orgs - for some reason we have two! how do we clearly mark that one should be ignored? |
| 18:53.49 | carols | CFS-MP3: two applications, you mean? |
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| 18:54.55 | CFS-MP3 | Yes. redhen and redhenlab. redhen should be deleted if at all possible. I don't know what happened there |
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| 18:57.17 | carols | CFS-MP3: please file a bug with the melange team. |
| 18:57.55 | CFS-MP3 | Will do. Anything else we can do to prevent confusion and being disqualified instantly for this rookie mistake? I'm assuming it's something we did |
| 18:58.19 | carols | CFS-MP3: you can mark the one that shouldnât be considered in the title if you like. |
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| 19:00.06 | carols | good luck to all our applicants for this year :-) |
| 19:00.22 | INOPIAE_ | carols and all the other from gsoc: many thanks for your help and inputs to get the information needed bundled and up in time. |
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| 19:00.27 | Marshalrusty | Thanks carols |
| 19:00.27 | carols | cheers |
| 19:00.31 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Google Summer of Code organization applications are now being reviewed. Accepted mentoring organizations for this yearâs program will be announced on 2 March at 19:00 UTC | For more information about GSoC please visit google-melange.com. |
| 19:00.37 | ESphynx | oh no I'm going to change into a pumpkin |
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| 19:00.55 | ESphynx | thanks carols |
| 19:00.59 | carols | !forget next |
| 19:01.00 | gsocbot | carols: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:01.05 | Slurpee | That was fun :) |
| 19:01.26 | carols | !learn next as Mentoring organizations for Google Summer of Code 2015 will be announced on 2 March at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:01.27 | cs_shadow | !next |
| 19:01.27 | gsocbot | carols: "next" is Mentoring organizations for Google Summer of Code 2015 will be announced on 2 March at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:01.28 | gsocbot | cs_shadow: "next" is Mentoring organizations for Google Summer of Code 2015 will be announced on 2 March at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:02.41 | downey | !next |
| 19:02.43 | gsocbot | downey: "next" is Mentoring organizations for Google Summer of Code 2015 will be announced on 2 March at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:02.46 | downey | woah |
| 19:03.01 | downey | sorry for that repetition, irc lag :) |
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| 19:04.13 | Slurpee | Good luck to all the applying organizations. |
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| 19:05.10 | carols | itâs always an embarassment of riches with our org apps every year :-) |
| 19:05.16 | downey | serves evaluation tea |
| 19:05.35 | anth_x | carols: i do not envy your job over the next two weeks. |
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| 19:05.47 | NikolaiToryzin | downey, wait wait wait. Do I evaluate the tea, or is it tea for evaluators? |
| 19:05.54 | downey | both :) |
| 19:06.04 | carols | anth_x: me either |
| 19:06.06 | DavidPS | @carols and Google people! enjoy the review!!! |
| 19:06.33 | downey | carols: timeline page says announcement is 2 March 19:00 UTC but magic wheel thingy says 00:00 UTC ... I assume timeline page prevails? |
| 19:06.36 | carols | DavidPS: what you mean is âenjoy spending that much time for a week in a conference room with your coworkersâ :-) |
| 19:06.45 | DavidPS | yeah! |
| 19:06.46 | carols | downey: file a bug :-) |
| 19:06.57 | DavidPS | reading all the fun stuff that we wrote! |
| 19:06.58 | downey | i am, but wanted to write what the correct thing was :) |
| 19:07.09 | carols | downey: its 19:00 utc |
| 19:07.15 | downey | thanks! |
| 19:07.30 | carols | actually, i know where thatâs coming from |
| 19:07.32 | carols | i fixed it |
| 19:07.42 | carols | must have missed a dropdown |
| 19:07.45 | DavidPS | At least as much as we had preparing the application... not in a real conference rooom but in a virtual one :) |
| 19:07.51 | oddvar | cool. good luck everyone :) |
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| 19:08.16 | CFS-MP3 | carols how many people are involved in the evaluations if I can ask? |
| 19:08.40 | carols | CFS-MP3: more than one |
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| 19:09.30 | bitsandbytez | lolol |
| 19:09.32 | gevaerts | But less than one googol |
| 19:09.39 | downey | n people |
| 19:09.43 | teolemon | hi |
| 19:09.47 | teolemon | I'm writing on behalf of Open Food Facts |
| 19:10.09 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Can you please share the number of applications you received? |
| 19:10.17 | downey | hi teolemon |
| 19:10.19 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: i already did |
| 19:10.20 | teolemon | and we just missed the deadline (we heard about the deadline at the last minute) |
| 19:10.32 | carols | teolemon: nope |
| 19:10.35 | teolemon | the form is complete, we have mentors and all |
| 19:10.35 | carols | no extensions |
| 19:10.42 | teolemon | carols: ok |
| 19:10.45 | teolemon | :-( |
| 19:10.47 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Oh. Well, in case someone applied in the last minute :-) So it's 372 still? |
| 19:10.58 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: sorry, what? |
| 19:11.01 | carols | iâm missing something |
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| 19:11.53 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: I was asking if you can share the number of organization applications for this year. |
| 19:11.54 | brlcad | carols: *hugs*, hi :) do you have a count of apps this year compared to last? |
| 19:11.55 | CFS-MP3 | KolibriOS|yogev that's last year number I think. No stats for this year until March 2 if I understood correctly |
| 19:12.23 | brlcad | realizes this is probably premature :) |
| 19:12.27 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: brlcad: we already released this info! |
| 19:12.27 | carols | https://plus.google.com/b/102168248469649733567/102168248469649733567/posts/Zuyudpt5rce |
| 19:12.31 | NikolaiToryzin | I feel like the best idea now would be to wait for carols to catch up and review apps, then wait for her to announce things. |
| 19:12.32 | carols | stop pinging me :-) |
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| 19:12.46 | NikolaiToryzin | Oh god that was fast |
| 19:12.51 | brlcad | carols: I was busy putting finishing touches on our app, not reading IRC .. apologies :) |
| 19:13.07 | carols | itâs fine :-) |
| 19:13.12 | downey | is so behind on his G+ reading |
| 19:13.12 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Oh, sorry and thank you! |
| 19:13.16 | carols | look before you yell, as my mother would say |
| 19:13.16 | CFS-MP3 | uh... so 50 more than last year |
| 19:13.18 | downey | carols: how many students were accepted this year? |
| 19:13.20 | CFS-MP3 | damn |
| 19:13.36 | meflin | snicker |
| 19:13.44 | downey | figures he'd ask before the number is released |
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| 19:16.26 | downey | !extension |
| 19:16.27 | gsocbot | downey: "extension" is extension is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
| 19:16.41 | downey | meh, not really |
| 19:16.48 | ESphynx | lol |
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| 19:17.22 | ESphynx | downey: This is what I managed to put together in time ... http://ecere.org/ideas/ :| |
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| 19:18.00 | downey | ESphynx: cool, much improved :-) |
| 19:18.15 | ESphynx | thanks. very glad you think so! |
| 19:18.36 | teolemon | here's the list for Open Food Facts : http://en.wiki.openfoodfacts.org/GSOC_Ideas |
| 19:18.54 | teolemon | oh well , feel free to contribute outside gsoc at http://world.openfoodfacts.org |
| 19:19.08 | teolemon | we'll be on time next year :-) |
| 19:19.54 | KolibriOS|yogev | teolemon: But I don't understand, if "the form is complete", then what have you missed? To click "Submit" button? |
| 19:20.08 | teolemon | the hit button |
| 19:20.19 | ESphynx | :( |
| 19:20.22 | teolemon | i clicked submit too late |
| 19:20.32 | teolemon | 7 min too late if not mistaken |
| 19:20.34 | teolemon | :-( |
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| 19:20.45 | carols | teolemon: why didnât you click submit 7 days ago? |
| 19:20.47 | carols | you had two weeks |
| 19:20.55 | carols | itâs your responsbility to not miss the deadline. |
| 19:20.56 | teolemon | I saw the notification on G+ |
| 19:21.10 | downey | clicked submit 9 February 19:04 ... then several times after that over the window :) |
| 19:21.14 | teolemon | carols: yes I have only myself to blame |
| 19:22.18 | downey | gsoc is always a learning experience no matter what happens :) |
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| 19:22.53 | KolibriOS|yogev | teolemon: I see, that's indeed sad. Well, better luck next year. And you can always ask an accepted org from this year to be an umbrella for you. |
| 19:22.55 | NikolaiToryzin | downey, Half of that is because melange changes ever so slightly :) |
| 19:23.15 | downey | NikolaiToryzin: life would be awful boring otherwise |
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| 19:24.19 | teolemon | KolibriOS|yogev: we'll try that, perhaps with okfn |
| 19:25.03 | bitsandbytez | teolomon: I would love to help out on this |
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| 19:26.47 | teolemon | bitsandbytez: i'm contacting you in private |
| 19:26.59 | bitsandbytez | kk |
| 19:27.09 | teolemon | otherwise contact@openfoodfacts.org and some admin will reply |
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| 19:33.29 | boob_ | Hello everybody! |
| 19:33.39 | oddvar | hi boob_ |
| 19:34.10 | boob_ | hi oddvar |
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| 19:34.51 | boob_ | I have a little question, what "Student applications soon" really means? |
| 19:35.02 | carols | boob_: have you looked at the timeline? |
| 19:35.11 | oddvar | here's a handy link: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 19:35.42 | downey | oddvar: thats from last year. try http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015 :-) |
| 19:35.51 | boob_ | yes carols |
| 19:35.54 | oddvar | oh yes |
| 19:36.15 | carols | boob_: great, that lists when student applications open, so youâve answered your own question |
| 19:36.17 | boob_ | so, the "Student applications soon" it's just the time that takes review org entries? |
| 19:36.37 | carols | it means that student applications open soon. |
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| 19:38.52 | anil | How do we add a profile on melange? |
| 19:39.08 | anil | my backup is able to login |
| 19:39.14 | anil | but cannot find where to add a profile |
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| 19:39.49 | downey | anil: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/edit/google/gsoc2015 maybe? |
| 19:39.54 | Ryper | Hello |
| 19:40.26 | anil | it says "active profile is needed to access" |
| 19:40.53 | downey | anil: you might try asking in #melange then |
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| 19:42.58 | prokoudine__ | hello |
| 19:43.17 | prokoudine__ | has the link for submitting org proposal been already pulled off the website? |
| 19:43.40 | umccullough | as of 19:00 UTC |
| 19:43.47 | umccullough | (the deadline) |
| 19:44.03 | prokoudine__ | oh blast |
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| 19:44.09 | prokoudine__ | timezones always confuse me |
| 19:44.31 | umccullough | you had two weeks ;) |
| 19:44.56 | prokoudine__ | i really didn't |
| 19:45.20 | prokoudine__ | switched jobs in between |
| 19:45.37 | prokoudine__ | well, good luck to other projects :) |
| 19:46.02 | KolibriOS|yogev | anil: You need to register your username on the website first. |
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| 19:46.33 | KolibriOS|yogev | prokoudine__: Which project are you from? |
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| 19:48.10 | prokoudine__ | KolibriOS|yogev, GIMP, as it happens |
| 19:48.37 | KolibriOS|yogev | prokoudine__: You aren't sure? :-) |
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| 19:52.33 | Ryper | do you have any advie how can i be prepared for the student application? |
| 19:52.42 | carols | Ryper: read the student manual |
| 19:52.53 | carols | and volunteer for an open source organization now |
| 19:53.21 | Ryper | i already read that, but where can i found the list of organizations? |
| 19:53.40 | KolibriOS|yogev | Ryper: The list will be only published March 2. But you can look at the list from last year. |
| 19:53.51 | KolibriOS|yogev | Ryper: It won't be the same but it will be similar. |
| 19:54.11 | KolibriOS|yogev | Ryper: https://plus.google.com/102168248469649733567/posts/Zuyudpt5rce |
| 19:54.17 | KolibriOS|yogev | Ooops sorry |
| 19:54.25 | KolibriOS|yogev | Wrong paste :-( |
| 19:54.31 | Ryper | almost :D |
| 19:54.31 | KolibriOS|yogev | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 here it is |
| 19:54.32 | Ryper | thank you |
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| 20:29.14 | MatthewWilkes | Using the free on-train wifi. Tried pinging 8.8.8.8 (round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 8022.428/10440.514/13305.650/1545.691 ms)... think I should try playing CounterStrike? |
| 20:29.37 | gevaerts | has seen worse :) |
| 20:29.46 | MatthewWilkes | 0% packet loss, though |
| 20:29.52 | MatthewWilkes | Which is something, I suppose |
| 20:30.00 | Pessimist | 13 secs... yeah, good luck playing cs |
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| 20:30.30 | gevaerts | I'd say the 0% packet loss is probably the problem, actually |
| 20:30.58 | panzone | only 13 sec of latency ? |
| 20:31.12 | gevaerts | With that sort of stats, you need to drop packets if you don't want the things to clog up |
| 20:31.20 | Darrel | :> |
| 20:31.58 | MatthewWilkes | bit suspicious that they all came in order, actually |
| 20:32.15 | MatthewWilkes | must be bursting data |
| 20:34.59 | NikolaiToryzin | Maybe they use IP over Avian carrier? |
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| 20:35.53 | meflin | looks a lot like what I"ve seen with satellite internet .. |
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| 20:41.17 | umccullough | yeah, sounds like satellite to me :P |
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| 20:55.32 | |Kev| | Oh. I think the Melange message that we can modify our answers to the questionnaire until 2nd March might have been fibbing. Oh well, saves me trying to hunt down those last couple of statistics, I guess. |
| 20:55.50 | carols | |Kev|: please file a bug |
| 20:56.40 | |Kev| | Which way? The message that we were going to be able to edit the questionnaire was a bug, or that we're not able to is a bug? |
| 20:56.52 | umccullough | i filed it already |
| 20:56.56 | umccullough | https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2534 |
| 20:57.00 | |Kev| | umccullough: Ta. |
| 20:58.16 | umccullough | i'm still unclear if it was intended to be that way or not |
| 20:58.31 | umccullough | nobody really asserted one way or the other in the comments |
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| 20:59.03 | |Kev| | I think both ways got asserted in the comments :) |
| 20:59.19 | umccullough | yeah :/ |
| 20:59.40 | umccullough | but it was left open, so i guess eventually it'll get fixed (for next year) |
| 21:00.02 | |Kev| | The boxes seem to have lost the newlines too, which is going to be horrible for the poor team to review if it's like this for them as well. |
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| 21:03.48 | KolibriOS|yogev | umccullough: I just backed up your claim by commenting on that issue :-) |
| 21:06.36 | umccullough | fwiw, you can still modify the org details |
| 21:07.10 | umccullough | lol |
| 21:07.25 | umccullough | actually...you can still go back and modify the questionnaire if you use the proper URL |
| 21:07.31 | umccullough | or, it looks like you can anyway |
| 21:07.38 | umccullough | ahem... |
| 21:07.59 | umccullough | guessing that will allow people to still submit post-deadline if they want |
| 21:08.28 | umccullough | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/application/submit/google/gsoc2015/<orgname> |
| 21:08.33 | KolibriOS|yogev | umccullough: That is another bug :-) |
| 21:08.41 | downey | I thought we had to submit our co-admins before the deadline? |
| 21:08.48 | umccullough | same here |
| 21:09.02 | downey | i'm pretty sure that's what it said on the site. |
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| 21:10.12 | slspencer | hi |
| 21:10.49 | slspencer | We were unable to create GSOC profiles on melage for two of our project members who wanted to be backup admins. Carol Smith suggested we file a bug. How do we do this? |
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| 21:11.21 | umccullough | https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 21:11.25 | umccullough | and use #melange |
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| 21:11.36 | slspencer | Has anyone else had this problem? |
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| 21:12.05 | slspencer | Our guys were logged in wih their gmail accounts, but never were given the opportunity to create profiles. |
| 21:12.08 | umccullough | i've seen a lot of people report similar problems when they don't understand how melange works |
| 21:12.19 | umccullough | you create the profile after logging in |
| 21:12.23 | umccullough | front page |
| 21:12.27 | slspencer | We couldn't figure out how to get there. |
| 21:12.43 | slspencer | They sent me screen shots - there wasn't a menu option to create a profile. |
| 21:13.04 | umccullough | would have been a big button |
| 21:13.08 | umccullough | not a menu option |
| 21:13.18 | slspencer | At the top of the page it showed them logged in with their email account. The 'username' was absent. 'My Profile' was absent. |
| 21:13.29 | umccullough | right |
| 21:13.32 | umccullough | a login is not a profile |
| 21:13.37 | slspencer | They weren't prompted to do that with a big button. |
| 21:13.49 | KolibriOS|yogev | umccullough: She's right - now it doesn't exist. |
| 21:13.54 | slspencer | How do they get to add a profile? |
| 21:13.56 | umccullough | no, probably not any longer |
| 21:14.02 | slspencer | Why? |
| 21:14.03 | umccullough | were supposed to do it before the deadline iirc |
| 21:14.07 | downey | it went away about 2 hours ago at the deadline |
| 21:14.09 | KolibriOS|yogev | slspencer: You should have done it before the deadline |
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| 21:14.19 | slspencer | ah. |
| 21:14.27 | slspencer | sorry to bug you. |
| 21:14.29 | slspencer | Thanks! |
| 21:14.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | slspencer: You can do it again later if you are selected for this year |
| 21:14.36 | KolibriOS|yogev | slspencer: This is not a bug |
| 21:14.42 | slspencer | We don't have backup admins so we won't be selected. |
| 21:14.58 | slspencer | :( |
| 21:15.00 | umccullough | yeah, i think the backup admin had to be set before deadline as well |
| 21:15.01 | KolibriOS|yogev | slspencer: Oh. Well, then you had to do it before the deadline, sorry. |
| 21:15.11 | slspencer | thanks anyway guys! |
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| 21:15.57 | umccullough | probably still deserves an issue ticket - it's amazingly confusing ;) |
| 21:16.04 | umccullough | for second-year users |
| 21:16.17 | |Kev| | Or tenth-year users :) |
| 21:16.28 | downey | !logs |
| 21:16.29 | gsocbot | downey: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 21:16.31 | |Kev| | (Or whatever we are at this point (Yes, I know it wasn't Melange throughout)) |
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| 21:33.11 | KolibriOS|yogev | umccullough: I tested it and I was able to change answers to questionnaire indeed, so filed a bug: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2541 |
| 21:36.11 | downey | KolibriOS|yogev: you might check the title of that bug, it's ambiguous |
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| 21:36.40 | KolibriOS|yogev | downey: Oops. Unfortunately there is no way to edit it now :-( |
| 21:37.33 | KolibriOS|yogev | downey: Or, paraphrasing the title itself, "Unfortunately there is no way to it now" :-) |
| 21:40.32 | downey | :D |
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| 21:54.30 | ebeip90 | Is it too late to submit proposals for a mentoring organization? |
| 21:54.40 | |Kev| | To be a mentoring org? Yes. |
| 21:54.40 | carols | ebeip90: yes |
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| 21:55.30 | crowell | ebeip90: was pwntools going to apply? |
| 21:55.34 | downey | window opened on the 9th :( |
| 21:55.57 | ebeip90 | crowell: Yeah |
| 21:56.00 | ebeip90 | I just found out about it |
| 21:56.10 | crowell | kindly direct all potential students to radare ;-) |
| 21:56.12 | ebeip90 | it = window was open |
| 21:56.23 | umccullough | ebeip90, you might fit under the python umbrella? |
| 21:56.35 | umccullough | ping terri and/or meflin |
| 21:57.30 | meflin | might |
| 21:58.14 | meflin | ebeip90: check out -> https://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2015 |
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| 22:32.40 | pombreda | Howdy. I am trying to get someone signup as a backup org admin for strace. Yet even though he is logged in melange, he cannot get to a profile page and I cannot seem to be able to connect his username to my org ... |
| 22:32.54 | carols | pombreda: please file a bug witht he melange developers |
| 22:34.13 | pombreda | carols: will do. In the meatime, is this critical to have the back admin setup now? or can this wait until tomorrow ? |
| 22:34.22 | carols | pombreda: yes, itâs critical |
| 22:34.27 | pombreda | *the backup org admin |
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| 22:34.53 | pombreda | carols: ok, we are stuck on this right now :| |
| 22:35.01 | carols | okay |
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| 22:49.34 | pombreda | @carols : ticket submitted to melange: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2544&thanks=2544&ts=1424472509 ... as said please have mercy for strace until I find a way to add a this backup admin :P |
| 22:49.41 | carols | okay |
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| 23:17.08 | badevguru | Oh man, missed that the cutoff time was UTC. Looking to get some of the software projects for our open source ROV (OpenROV) registered but I did not get the mentors signed up on Melange in time. Any know of a way to beg forgiveness and get the application finished after the deadline? |
| 23:17.18 | carols | badevguru: nope |
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| 23:29.36 | olly | badevguru: you don't need to sign up mentors in melange yet |
| 23:29.46 | olly | Just the backup admin |
| 23:30.35 | badevguru | Thanks olly, yeay, the backup admin is one of the people who needs to sign up still, he is ready to... |
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| 23:38.07 | dx | the project i was supposed to mentor for probably had the same problem as badevguru... i don't know because the admin hasn't replied yet and i've been in panic for the last 4 hours |
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| 23:39.40 | dx | but yeah i haven't signed up as a mentor and the mentor registration form disappeared after the deadline |
| 23:40.02 | meflin | mentor registration hasn't begun |
| 23:40.42 | dx | yeah weird thing is, one of the other mentors said he managed to register there... i dunno. |
| 23:40.44 | meflin | mentors will be able to register after march 2 |
| 23:40.52 | dx | gotcha, thanks |
| 23:41.14 | dx | that probably means the admin didn't actually miss the deadline and i don't need to panic |
| 23:41.30 | dx | \o/ |
| 23:41.44 | meflin | as long as both admins are signed up your fine |
| 23:41.53 | Slurpee | I think org admins can manually invite users with profiles to be a mentor. |
| 23:42.10 | irungentoo | yes, we can |
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| 23:56.41 | davideschiera | carols: I added the backup admin few minutes after the deadline (he accepted the request around 19:15 UTC) - Could you please confirm whether the registration was properly completed or not? |
| 23:57.01 | carols | davideschiera: youâre welcome to ask the melange folks, i donât have time for that right now, sorry |
| 23:57.03 | carols | iâm reviewing apps |
| 23:57.42 | Robert_S | davideschiera: if the website didn't give you an error, it's fine. |
| 23:58.46 | davideschiera | thanks carols - Best way to contact melange folks is by submitting an issue? |
| 23:58.58 | davideschiera | Robert_S: the home page showed the request for backup admin until he accepted the request, now it shows no errors |
| 23:59.27 | Robert_S | davideschiera: then you're good. |
