| 00:00.25 | olly | at least for us, very few of the students we take are established contributors to the project |
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| 00:00.51 | olly | though it's common that they've got involved in the lead up to gsoc |
| 00:01.46 | olly | gvsi: ^ |
| 00:03.20 | gvsi | Thanks for the info, olly. What organization do you work for? |
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| 01:10.30 | trueBearsFan | Hi |
| 01:10.57 | trueBearsFan | Is anyone here? |
| 01:12.44 | downey | trueBearsFan: yes, nearly 300 of us |
| 01:13.01 | trueBearsFan | So I had some questions about gsoc |
| 01:13.20 | trueBearsFan | Like I saw that it says you must be 18. When is the cutoff for that? |
| 01:13.32 | downey | !faq |
| 01:13.33 | gsocbot | downey: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
| 01:13.53 | downey | trueBearsFan: according to that, "when you register" |
| 01:14.29 | downey | and the application deadline for students is 27 March |
| 01:14.43 | trueBearsFan | I know I read that. I wanted clarification on what that means. So is the cutoff the last day you can apply? |
| 01:15.35 | downey | i would assume so |
| 01:15.45 | downey | since you have to register when you apply :) |
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| 01:16.10 | trueBearsFan | Do you think there is anyway around that or is it a hard rule |
| 01:16.25 | olly | it's a hard rule |
| 01:16.39 | olly | but you can still get involved with an open source project, and apply to gsoc next year |
| 01:16.52 | downey | you have to be 18 to make a legal agreement in the US, which is what's required when you register |
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| 01:19.09 | trueBearsFan | what is an open source project I can get involved with. I really love coding and would like to do something productive |
| 01:19.42 | downey | trueBearsFan: You can check out the list of projects from last year, on the site |
| 01:19.50 | downey | (or wait and see what orgs get selected this year) |
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| 02:11.55 | dispatch3d | what are the stats on how many people apply vs how many get in? |
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| 02:16.52 | downey | !numapps |
| 02:16.53 | gsocbot | downey: "numapps" is 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 02:17.01 | downey | dispatch3d: ^^ |
| 02:17.13 | dispatch3d | thanks just didn't know the command |
| 02:17.18 | downey | :) |
| 02:17.20 | dispatch3d | I'm looking at mediawiki as being one |
| 02:17.39 | dispatch3d | I tried django as well, but they indicated to me I couldn't go from not knowing the system at all to a coder in that length of time |
| 02:18.02 | dispatch3d | any organization suggestions for a relative beginner? |
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| 02:18.54 | lzx | anyone knows hadoop related project in gsoc? |
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| 02:20.42 | darnir | lzx: Have you tried searching for Hadoop in the list of accepted organizations last year? |
| 02:21.10 | lzx | tried, no result of directed related, some are sort of connected to hadoop |
| 02:21.38 | darnir | Well, that's all you have then. |
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| 02:22.31 | lzx | i am interested in finding an open source big data project (data analysis, visualization or others) |
| 02:22.37 | lzx | thks @darnir |
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| 02:41.41 | dispatch3d | My friend pointed out 1000's of people apply for GSoC, but it looks like 20% get accepted so that seems high to me, meh, thinking out loud |
| 02:42.31 | darnir | dispatch3d: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 02:45.52 | lzx | 20% that sounds low to me. anyway still worth trying |
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| 03:05.27 | olly | wonders where you're getting 20% from |
| 03:05.50 | olly | 1304 out of 4420 is about 30% |
| 03:06.39 | olly | but keep in mind that there's a lot of junk applications in there |
| 03:06.49 | olly | people just pasting from the project ideas list |
| 03:06.56 | olly | or just sending a CV/resume |
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| 03:07.16 | olly | or sending the exact same proposal to several orgs |
| 03:10.53 | dispatch3d | darnir thanks, read the manual, appreciate the link all the same |
| 03:11.17 | dispatch3d | yeah heard there's some monkey business going on with the applications |
| 03:11.34 | dispatch3d | I'm going to try with mediawiki, not sure if I'll write one proposal or two, I think I may have my hands full with just 1 |
| 03:12.00 | olly | i wouldn't send two to the same org without talking to them first |
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| 03:13.53 | dispatch3d | ah ok, so I'd seek out a new org to send a second one |
| 03:14.12 | dispatch3d | honestly it seems like a lot to get aquanted with an organizations code well enough to put together a comprehensible proposal |
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| 03:15.37 | dispatch3d | olly how are you involved in GSoC? just curious |
| 03:16.07 | olly | I've been a mentor and org admin a number of times now |
| 03:16.41 | olly | it is a significant amount of work to put together a good proposal, so focussing on one makes a lot of sense |
| 03:19.09 | dispatch3d | ah ok, what org do you code for? |
| 03:19.44 | olly | i've been involved in gsoc with xapian, swig and debian |
| 03:20.05 | olly | but i've contributed code to a number of other projects over the years |
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| 03:21.17 | dispatch3d | ah ok, not familiar with any of those orgs |
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| 03:23.55 | dispatch3d | olly you very familiar with git? I'm trying to get someone from the orgs chat to answer a question, getting desperate lol |
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| 03:35.18 | olly | dispatch3d: well, i use git daily, though bear in mind this isn't a git support channel |
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| 03:36.36 | dispatch3d | I have two links, this: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/101/ and this: https://github.com/requests/requests-oauthlib/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue |
| 03:37.02 | dispatch3d | how do I fork? I've installed git, I'm on linux so stuff's easy, have develope raccess, etc. If its too big a question just let me know |
| 03:38.19 | olly | https://help.github.com/articles/fork-a-repo/ |
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| 03:41.57 | valorie | dispatch3d: there is #git btw |
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| 03:52.32 | dispatch3d | olly thanks for the link, a friend of mine sucked me into relationship talk, I hate it so much |
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| 03:55.13 | shachaf | If I sign up for an account on Melange now, I can change my address etc. before it's actually used for anything, right? |
| 03:55.25 | slurpee | shachaf: yes |
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| 04:10.43 | ESphynx | hey guys |
| 04:13.01 | slurpee | hi |
| 04:13.31 | ESphynx | would someone be willing to take a quick look at our ideas list? |
| 04:13.47 | ESphynx | so we can improve it before submitting as a mentoring org ;) |
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| 05:52.13 | valorie | can we answer a question or help you with something? |
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| 05:55.28 | ESphynx | valorie: is there a social channel? :P |
| 05:56.02 | valorie | loads of them |
| 05:56.06 | valorie | do you know about alis? |
| 05:56.07 | ESphynx | GSoC related, I mean :) |
| 05:56.14 | valorie | ah |
| 05:56.40 | valorie | there are some that students have started, like (I think) #gsoc-in |
| 05:56.46 | ESphynx | I'm hoping to find someone to take a quick look at our ideas list before we submit it :P |
| 05:57.06 | valorie | alis is a search engine for freenode chans |
| 05:57.27 | valorie | so for instance you would say /msg alis list *gsoc* |
| 05:57.37 | valorie | and get a list of them in your server tab |
| 05:58.07 | valorie | can I see your idea page link? |
| 05:58.10 | ESphynx | can't I do /list *gsoc* ? ;) |
| 05:58.19 | ESphynx | valorie: sure! http://ecere.org/ideas/ |
| 05:58.21 | valorie | I'm a admin for KDE |
| 05:58.25 | ESphynx | ah nice |
| 05:58.33 | valorie | the /list command is discouraged |
| 05:58.45 | valorie | it puts a lot of demand on the server |
| 05:59.36 | cestdiego | Hi, I was just curious if there are any computational scientist, or a history of computational science project ides in GSoC |
| 05:59.48 | ESphynx | valorie: hmm, as an admin could you be in a position to vouch for us? :P |
| 05:59.51 | valorie | yes, there have been |
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| 06:01.12 | valorie | ESphynx: one problem I see is that the same mentor is listed multiple times |
| 06:01.12 | thiago | what's a computational scientist project and how is that different from all the other projects in GSoC? |
| 06:01.24 | thiago | history sounds meta, though, so not allowed |
| 06:01.47 | thiago | unless you meant writing K&R C code in EBCDIC and using trigraphs |
| 06:02.58 | valorie | ESphynx: I doubt it, since this is the first time we've talked, and I know nothing about your project |
| 06:03.12 | cestdiego | valorie: thx :) |
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| 06:04.12 | ESphynx | valorie: hehe supposing you had time to familiarize with our project :P |
| 06:04.24 | valorie | sorry, no time for that |
| 06:04.25 | ESphynx | valorie: same mentor, yes we're still quite small :| |
| 06:04.28 | thiago | ESphynx: why would we do that? |
| 06:04.29 | ESphynx | valorie: understood :) |
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| 06:04.43 | valorie | are you expecting to have only one or two students? |
| 06:04.55 | ESphynx | valorie: yes 1-3 |
| 06:05.07 | valorie | even so, having more than one mentor listed would be good |
| 06:05.17 | valorie | even if the same person is usually the lead |
| 06:05.18 | ESphynx | we will have a back up mentor as well |
| 06:05.30 | valorie | it will help to have that listed |
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| 06:05.35 | ESphynx | I'll list the other mentor on the page then, but was going to list on the proposal either way |
| 06:05.42 | valorie | mentoring takes more time than expected, and more energy |
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| 06:09.25 | ESphynx | I do expect to spend quite a bit of time on that ;) |
| 06:09.38 | ESphynx | are there still odds to be accepted with only 1 or 2 students? |
| 06:09.48 | thiago | if you're accepted as an org, you will get 2 students |
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| 06:09.49 | ESphynx | we applied in 2009 and 2010 but sadly were never accepted :( |
| 06:09.52 | ESphynx | we're trying again this year |
| 06:10.11 | ESphynx | thiago: ah based on the number of mentors? |
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| 06:10.27 | thiago | based on being accepted |
| 06:10.56 | thiago | 2 is the minimum (unless you request only one slot) |
| 06:11.18 | thiago | and it's highly unlikely that a first-timer organisation would be able to mobilise enough mentors and ideas for more than that |
| 06:11.44 | thiago | last year was an exception |
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| 06:18.03 | ESphynx | ah ok. well 2 would be good :) |
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| 06:48.29 | ESphynx | thanks valorie, thiago |
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| 06:52.01 | valorie | best of luck, ESphynx |
| 06:52.09 | ESphynx | thanks! |
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| 07:35.57 | mkletzan | Hi everyone, what are the precise limitations of who can submit application (as a student) for a project? |
| 07:36.08 | mkletzan | Or if anyone has the FAQ link handy... O:-) |
| 07:36.22 | bshah | !faq |
| 07:36.22 | gsocbot | bshah: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
| 07:36.31 | bshah | mkletzan: ^ |
| 07:38.13 | mkletzan | Yay, what a fancy command you've got there. Thanks bshah++ ;) |
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| 09:02.15 | ecogiko | spartan101: greetings |
| 09:02.41 | spartan101 | ecogiko: Hello |
| 09:03.02 | kenju254 | Hello.. |
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| 09:03.14 | kenju254 | Hi ecogiko |
| 09:03.45 | ecogiko | hey hey :) |
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| 09:10.44 | Cadair | Good morning |
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| 09:13.49 | Cadair | Is there a way to get at the questionaire part of the application without actually registering an org? |
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| 09:54.48 | valorie | Cadair: there might be some org documents maybe in the mentor handbook or so? |
| 09:57.58 | Cadair | valorie, I went hunting, I will continue to dig. |
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| 10:01.30 | valorie | it's on flossmanuals.org |
| 10:01.41 | valorie | the manuals, I mean |
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| 17:07.41 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 17:08.04 | downey | raises his cup |
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| 17:18.25 | downey | carols: has anyone reported problems assigning co-admins? |
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| 17:18.34 | carols | downey: not that iâm aware of. |
| 17:18.47 | carols | downey: did you run into something? |
| 17:18.48 | downey | supposes he'll be the first then |
| 17:19.07 | carols | downey: please feel free to file a bug if you found one. |
| 17:19.27 | downey | I click submit on "Org Admin" dropdown under role but the actual role isn't getting updated ... will do more testing and file bug |
| 17:19.34 | carols | downey: okay |
| 17:19.35 | carols | thanks |
| 17:22.23 | downey | false alarm, for those following along at home and may run into the same problem, even when you add a co-admin, they still have to go and "request" it after it being offered |
| 17:22.27 | downey | :-) |
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| 17:33.31 | carols | downey: glad it got worked out |
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| 17:47.55 | Niharika | Hi carols. Does GSoC still offer travel grants for conferences along with the usual stipend? |
| 17:48.15 | carols | Niharika: for students traveling as a representative of their mentoring organization, yes |
| 17:48.26 | carols | (to a conference for their org, of course) |
| 17:50.05 | Niharika | carols: Okay. So I am guessing that won't be applicable for travelling to a conference such as PyCon? How about if I get my org/mentor to agree? |
| 17:50.15 | ESphynx | hey guys, to clarify the terms of a student's project, this first idea on our ideas list is a rather big chunk of work... but we would not expect students to complete it all by themselves. How should this be approached? |
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| 17:50.28 | carols | Niharika: does your org want you to go to pycon to represent them there? |
| 17:50.37 | Niharika | (I'm a student of previous round) |
| 17:51.03 | Niharika | carols: I hadn't asked because I wasn't sure if funding was possible. |
| 17:51.07 | carols | Niharika: then youâre welcome to apply for travel funding assuming your org from last year is asking you to go as their representative |
| 17:51.12 | carols | so ask them :-) |
| 17:51.22 | Niharika | Will do. Thanks! |
| 17:51.27 | carols | ESphynx: could you explain more? youâre a mentoring organization representative? |
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| 17:51.42 | ESphynx | carols: yes I am. so we're planning to a build a whole new engine |
| 17:51.49 | carols | ESphynx: okay... |
| 17:51.52 | ESphynx | and the first task is basically alogn the lines of building the fonudation for that whole engine |
| 17:51.58 | ESphynx | See http://ecere.org/ideas/ |
| 17:52.22 | carols | ESphynx: so then you need to break it into 3-month student-project parts |
| 17:52.28 | ESphynx | but if I understand correctly Google wants the student to complete a whole section of work |
| 17:52.29 | carols | and make each one an idea |
| 17:52.39 | carols | google wants the student to work for 3 months on a project. |
| 17:52.53 | carols | and then go on to be a long-term developer after the program is over |
| 17:52.57 | ESphynx | right, but the organization is involved in the development as well |
| 17:53.07 | ESphynx | so how to handle that? |
| 17:53.10 | carols | ESphynx: iâm not sure iâm understanding, iâm sorry. |
| 17:53.25 | carols | the org is always involved in development, right? isnât that what orgs do? |
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| 17:53.31 | ESphynx | carols: exactly. |
| 17:53.53 | carols | iâm probably just misunderstanding your question. |
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| 17:54.02 | ESphynx | i.e. despite this first idea looking like a lot of work, we'd expect the student to do 'some' of that work. |
| 17:54.19 | carols | ESphynx: then thatâs not a single idea. |
| 17:54.23 | carols | thatâs more than one idea. |
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| 17:54.29 | carols | an idea is One Project |
| 17:54.36 | ESphynx | and we would consider the contribution successful if they accomplished any major pat of that... So just checking to make sure this idea won't raise red flags for selecting us |
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| 17:54.56 | Niharika | carols: One more question, irrespective of the conference, the travel grant cannot exceed $500, right? |
| 17:55.02 | carols | ESphynx: it would raise a red flag. it would mean you havenât broken the project out correctly. |
| 17:55.08 | carols | Niharika: correct |
| 17:55.13 | Niharika | Thanks. |
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| 17:56.56 | ESphynx | carols: hmm... this is tricky. thing is depending on the student's skills, productivity and interest, and the large inter-dependency of everything in that idea, we really don't know how it should be breaked down until we discuss with them |
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| 17:57.39 | carols | ESphynx: well, we have tolerance for a week here, a week there. but i thought you were saying this is multiple projects all in one idea. again, i may be misunderstanding. |
| 17:57.58 | ESphynx | carols: would you mind taking a quick look at this first idea @ http://ecere.org/ideas/ ? top idea |
| 17:58.11 | carols | ESphynx: yes, i see it |
| 17:59.01 | ESphynx | basically, if a student is interested in doing a proposal for this idea, we'll work with him to see what he/she could achieve in the 3 months term and guide that proposal |
| 17:59.36 | carols | ESphynx: alright, well, thatâs to be expected. not every student who approaches you is going to be a fit for every project on your list |
| 17:59.41 | carols | youâre goign to talk to them :-) |
| 17:59.46 | carols | this isnât done in a vaccuum |
| 17:59.49 | ESphynx | yes, right |
| 17:59.59 | ESphynx | so that's why I'm asking, is this big idea a red flag? |
| 18:00.16 | ESphynx | I've already split this big project into the 3 ideas at the top |
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| 18:00.19 | carols | ESphynx: my concerns about your ideas page arenât related to that idea specifically, but more to the general gist of your ideas page |
| 18:00.26 | carols | you have no easy projects at all |
| 18:00.30 | ESphynx | carols: please tell ? |
| 18:00.37 | carols | and you start out with three high difficulty projects |
| 18:01.06 | ESphynx | carols: we're a small organization so only gonig to get 1 or 2 students right |
| 18:01.08 | carols | youâre not making yourself very welcoming to the large proportion of the students who this is going to be their first foray into open source and probably have no experience beyond a CS class in uni |
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| 18:01.34 | carols | ESphynx: you are basically filtering from the get go for a very niche group of students |
| 18:01.37 | carols | and thatâs worrisome |
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| 18:01.44 | carols | we want breadth and depth in all of our orgs |
| 18:02.02 | ESphynx | carols: we have some 'medium' difficulty level :P |
| 18:02.11 | carols | yeah, doesnât really help your situation |
| 18:02.11 | ertai | carols: I am a PhD student, can I participate even if I can code only part-time? |
| 18:02.33 | carols | ertai: are you a matriculated student at an accredited university? |
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| 18:02.45 | ertai | yes I am |
| 18:03.00 | downey | ESphynx: one of the great things about gsoc is building up long-term people who will grow along with your project :) which is why we get some of our best contributors staring with our "easy" projects |
| 18:03.03 | carols | ertai: and can you commit to gsoc being your only commitment for the program period? |
| 18:03.46 | ertai | carols: I'm not sure I can do that for 3 months full-time - I'd have to talk to my supervisor about it |
| 18:03.55 | carols | ertai: then youâre probably not a good fit for gsoc. |
| 18:04.18 | ertai | Ok, thanks for the info |
| 18:04.22 | carols | cheers |
| 18:04.48 | spartan101 | carols: what kind of qualities will you be looking for in an undergraduate student? |
| 18:05.00 | carols | spartan101: i donât look for qualities in the students, the orgs do |
| 18:05.06 | carols | i only look for meeting eligibility criteria |
| 18:05.07 | ESphynx | downey: I realize that, and we would of course welcome proposals for easier things as well, but the things to implement on our radar are not so easy given the current state of the project :| |
| 18:05.27 | spartan101 | carols, oh okay thanks |
| 18:05.28 | carols | ESphynx: then maybe gsoc isnât quite right for your org at this stage in your development? |
| 18:05.34 | panzone | spartan101: comunicate with orgs it's a good start |
| 18:05.37 | ESphynx | I could downgrade "Code Editor Improvements" to 'Easy...High' , but again whether it's easy or high depends on what the students wishes to do in that regard |
| 18:05.45 | panzone | a really good start |
| 18:06.07 | spartan101 | thanks a lot |
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| 18:06.10 | ESphynx | carols: we're really hoping for GSoC this year, we applied in 2009 and 2010, but our org will never grow if we don't get some exposure, which GSoC would really help us to get |
| 18:06.43 | downey | ESphynx: we have a fairly complicated product as well, but often we find some creative ways to break projects down into small tasks that are alone easier, so it might be worth a deep dive to see if you can find any of those possibilities (often takes some brainstorming) |
| 18:06.56 | carols | ESphynx: then if you want new developers, more exposure, etc. you should make yourself welcoming to new developers. you do that through easy, approachable projects that sets the student up for success from the get go |
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| 18:07.29 | carols | ESphynx: sure, thereâs always a few ambitious students who want hard projects |
| 18:07.37 | carols | but you cant assume thatâs the only people youre going to get |
| 18:07.41 | carols | in fact, quite the opposite |
| 18:08.07 | ESphynx | carols: yes, regardless of the students we get though we do plan to set them up for success. |
| 18:08.10 | panzone | (ESphynx: maybe you gather yourself an interested student, in the next days I' ll contact your irc channel) |
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| 18:08.20 | ESphynx | in that case students taking on 'high' project would get more coaching |
| 18:08.24 | ESphynx | (and learn more in the process) |
| 18:08.54 | ESphynx | panzone: joshwambua mentioned potential interest :) |
| 18:09.03 | carols | ESphynx: well, i mean this very kindly, but the first way you set up a student for success is with your ideas page, and you havenât done that yet. |
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| 18:10.10 | carols | ESphynx: maybe you could get some coaching from org admins who have participated before on crafting your ideas page differently? |
| 18:10.21 | ESphynx | carols: allright. well thanks for that feedback. anything other specific constructive comments to help me improve it? Worked on this page all day yesterday :S |
| 18:10.25 | carols | you should have a wide mix of difficulty levels |
| 18:11.17 | carols | ESphynx: well, other than that, i like the way it looks and how much information the ideas have |
| 18:11.33 | carols | but the first thing i look for is are there easy, medium, and hard projects and a good number of each |
| 18:12.02 | carols | also, if youâre really not sure what students are going to work on, why not have a bluesky proposal option in there as well as the bottom? |
| 18:12.20 | carols | and then move the ideas around so easy ones are at the top, then medium, then difficult |
| 18:12.59 | ESphynx | carols: bluesky proposal, good idea. difficult to easy, interesting :) as someone who loves a good challenge I was seeing it the other way around :P |
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| 18:13.29 | panzone | ESphynx: I was referring to me |
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| 18:13.48 | ESphynx | oh cool panzone :) |
| 18:13.57 | carols | ESphynx: the students who will approach you if youâre accepted are almost entirely going to be saying âiâm very scared of gsoc, iâm intimidated, am i good enough?â and itâs your job to give them an onramp into open source |
| 18:14.15 | carols | our mentoring orgs are our representatives |
| 18:14.35 | carols | and they represent us by making the students feel they can Do This no matter their skill level |
| 18:14.46 | carols | assuming, of course, they still code :-) |
| 18:14.51 | carols | but hopefully thatâs a given :-) |
| 18:14.51 | ESphynx | panzone: sorry hehe, well hope we get room for 2 students so that would be two nice projects :) |
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| 18:23.14 | ESphynx | I'll try to split things up and add easy ideas. |
| 18:23.50 | kenju254 | Hi guys |
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| 18:24.37 | kenju254 | I am new to this channel and would love to know how to participate in GSoC |
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| 18:24.47 | carols | kenju254: sure, how can we help you? |
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| 18:26.07 | kenju254 | carols: I am an intermediate Python programmer and a 4th year undergraduate.. Been coding for 5 years now . |
| 18:26.14 | carols | kenju254: glad to hear it |
| 18:26.16 | kenju254 | would love to be part of GSoC |
| 18:26.21 | carols | hope youâre having fun at uni |
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| 18:26.55 | kenju254 | carols: Yea, though I took a break to focus on building my startup , will be back in a few months time |
| 18:27.01 | carols | kenju254: cool |
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| 18:27.21 | ESphynx | carols: may I send you a LinkedIn request? :) |
| 18:27.25 | carols | ESphynx: sure |
| 18:27.44 | fafa | any rails application |
| 18:27.46 | fafa | *applicants ? |
| 18:28.12 | kenju254 | carols: currently looking forward to Python/Django or any Devops related projects |
| 18:28.21 | carols | kenju254: you mean for gsoc 2015? |
| 18:28.27 | carols | because we havenât chosen orgs yet |
| 18:28.32 | carols | so i donât know of any :-) |
| 18:28.37 | carols | or did you just mean in general? |
| 18:28.45 | kenju254 | carols: Yes.. |
| 18:29.16 | kenju254 | in general, but am working on some open source projects myself |
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| 18:29.45 | carols | kenju254: then have you checked out the orgs from previous years that have participated and seen if volunteering for any of them looks interesting to you? |
| 18:30.07 | kenju254 | I saw a couple of them for last year , quite interesting.. |
| 18:30.49 | kenju254 | carols: might consider looking again at them. some of them were really awesome. |
| 18:30.56 | carols | kenju254: cool |
| 18:30.58 | carols | good luck! |
| 18:31.18 | fafa | any applicants for rails |
| 18:31.19 | fafa | ? |
| 18:31.37 | carols | fafa: if youâre interested in rails, might i suggest a rails channel? |
| 18:31.41 | carols | this is for gsoc |
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| 18:32.26 | kenju254 | carols: Glad I got my answers answered.. |
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| 18:32.31 | carols | :-) |
| 18:32.49 | yask | carols: could you also suggest javascript channel (for gsoc) ? |
| 18:33.10 | carols | yask: i canât, but iâm sure some interenet searches will probably yield some useful results for you |
| 18:33.20 | carols | i donât code in javascript, so i dontâ know where they hang out :-) |
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| 18:50.17 | victornomad | Hello! I have a question regarding GSOC, we are an âorganizationâ with an open source project to prototype and code android devices in a very simple yet creative way http://protocoder.org and I was wondering if the organization must be âofficiallyâ registered somewhere in orther to apply for GSOC |
| 18:50.42 | carols | victornomad: i donât know what you mean by registered? you have to register on melange to apply, is that what you mean? |
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| 18:51.47 | victornomad | well, Iâm asking more in terms of registering the âorganizationâ in some official organism. The same as you have GNOME, The Apache foundation, etc. |
| 18:52.13 | carols | victornomad: do you mean you want one of those orgs to be your umbrella for this year? |
| 18:52.14 | victornomad | I know those big open source projects are registered in USA, Europe, etc |
| 18:52.28 | carols | registeredâ¦i still donât think iâm understanding. |
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| 18:52.50 | victornomad | haha :) sorry for that, Iâm not native english speakers and cannot find the right terminology |
| 18:53.05 | carols | victornomad: no problem, i also havenât had enough coffee this morning :-) |
| 18:53.10 | victornomad | ;) |
| 18:53.21 | kragniz | victornomad: do you mean registed as a non-profit or something? |
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| 18:53.26 | victornomad | exactly |
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| 18:54.09 | carols | victornomad: oh, okay. no, you donât have to be a non profit. |
| 18:55.05 | victornomad | I mean, we are a non profit since we dont get money :) but not registered in official way. It still a young project |
| 18:55.14 | victornomad | thats cool then :) |
| 18:55.26 | carols | victornomad: thatâs fine. thereâs no need to be a non profit to participate |
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| 19:09.21 | ESphynx | downey: may I ask which org you represent? |
| 19:12.38 | downey | ESphynx: sure, i'm a past org admin for openmrs |
| 19:13.16 | ESphynx | ah nice, I've actually contemplates buidling an H/RIS system |
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| 19:14.00 | ESphynx | downey: your feedback on improving our ideas list would be much aprpeciated, but maybe I'll have a go at doing these improvements first :P |
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| 19:15.22 | downey | sure ... my feedback usually ends up something like "make sure you have the same type of info we list on our own ideas page" :-) my first thought though is what I mentioned earlier about having a range of project ideas, and de-scoping/breaking them down into smaller bits |
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| 19:16.19 | downey | IMHO you should assume that your ideas page is the only page a potential student reads, so it should include the basics about your project, what it does, and how a student can get started making even a small contribution |
| 19:16.32 | ESphynx | right, I'll try doing that... link to your ideas page? |
| 19:17.13 | downey | http://go.openmrs.org/soc2014 was last year and if you change to '15, you'll see this year's page without specific project ideas listed yet |
| 19:17.26 | ESphynx | great, thanks |
| 19:19.09 | downey | also along those lines, it's a big bonus if you can list some easy/simple bugs for potential students to fix before they apply ... good for them to get them familiar with the project, and good for you because you learn their potential skills & get some bugs fixed |
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| 19:21.20 | ESphynx | downey: where are the ideas on that page though? |
| 19:21.33 | downey | the ideas became projects ;-) |
| 19:22.34 | ESphynx | right... I modeled our page somewhat after the suggeste KDE Ideas page... which focuses on the ideas :P |
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| 19:23.09 | downey | we have a page for each idea, and then the idea page evolves into a project documentation page |
| 19:23.55 | ESphynx | right, I'm wondering whether I should split it into projects with the multiple ideas for each project htere |
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| 19:25.14 | downey | e.g. https://wiki.openmrs.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=65601887 (old version of the 'idea' state) |
| 19:25.22 | ESphynx | ah thanks |
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| 19:26.27 | ESphynx | downey: I notice it does not classify the difficulty level other than by 'skills needed' ? |
| 19:27.09 | downey | yes, "easy, medium, hard" we found were misleading for students |
| 19:27.19 | downey | so we try to get more specific about what specific skills and to what level |
| 19:27.52 | ESphynx | Well I find that too, but carols seemed to say that's the first thing they're looking for :) |
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| 19:41.06 | downey | the variety is what counts, less the language |
| 19:41.59 | downey | we want new programmers to find inspiring ideas, and experienced ones too |
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| 20:18.47 | ESphynx | right, hopefully I can fix things up to appeal to everyone :) |
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| 21:08.38 | victornomad | @carols I got disconnected few times, just wanted to say thank you for the answer :) |
| 21:08.49 | carols | victornomad: youâre welcome |
| 21:08.50 | carols | cheers |
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| 21:45.16 | crowell | carols: does each mentor need to register? |
| 21:45.24 | crowell | or is it just a organization thing? |
| 21:45.32 | carols | crowell: no, only the org admin and the backup admin |
| 21:45.41 | crowell | ok, thanks! |
| 21:45.42 | carols | when and if the org is accepted you register all your mentors at that point |
| 21:46.04 | crowell | ty |
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| 22:10.41 | gvsi | !log |
| 22:10.41 | gsocbot | gvsi: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 22:10.49 | gvsi | !whoami |
| 22:10.50 | gsocbot | gvsi: I don't recognize you. |
| 22:11.19 | carols | gvsi: can i help you with something? |
| 22:11.38 | gevaerts | !logs | gsocbot |
| 22:11.38 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 22:11.44 | gevaerts | !logs | gvsi |
| 22:11.44 | gsocbot | gvsi: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 22:11.45 | gvsi | carol: yeah, sorry about that: I'm just trying to get the logs for the IRC channel |
| 22:11.52 | carols | there ya go |
| 22:11.57 | gvsi | thanks, gevaets :) |
| 22:12.03 | gvsi | *gevaerts |
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| 22:22.35 | carols | serves some afternoon tea and coffee |
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| 22:42.31 | meflin | I take a tea |
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| 23:34.32 | downey | reheats tea |
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| 23:34.46 | carols | downey: yeah, it did get cold, didnât it? |
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| 23:35.01 | downey | indeed |
| 23:35.04 | meflin | that is what the insulated mug is for :) |
| 23:35.10 | carols | yes :-) |
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