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| 01:04.44 | oshivum | How is everyone doing |
| 01:10.56 | perway | great |
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| 01:32.05 | oshivum | Are most people here students looking for projects or organization coordinators |
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| 02:12.27 | olly | oshivum: i doubt anybody has the information needed to answer that |
| 02:13.29 | olly | i'd guess there's significant numbers of both |
| 02:13.37 | oshivum | Fair |
| 02:13.48 | oshivum | Haha I am one of the former |
| 02:14.22 | oshivum | just looking to connect with people who have projects. I wanted to get in early so I could be a part from the formation of the project |
| 02:15.20 | olly | if you don't have particular orgs in mind, look at the org list from 2014 |
| 02:15.33 | olly | you can filter by tags based on your interests and skills |
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| 02:18.36 | oshivum | I have identified a few organizations, but they have been quite hard to contact |
| 02:18.58 | oshivum | so I am looking for a project, whether it is gsoc or not |
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| 02:46.52 | unicodesnowman | oshivum, are they really difficult to contact? you can get feedback on your ideas by posting to mailing lists, hanging around their irc channels, etc. |
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| 03:02.00 | oshivum | unicodesnowman, you're right. I am newer to this, so I don't quite understand what the best way to reach people in open source is |
| 03:02.12 | oshivum | I've been trying to email, but that obviously isn't the best option |
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| 03:06.35 | unicodesnowman | yeah. I suggest trying to reach out to the community, instead of reaching out to specific persons |
| 03:07.31 | oshivum | Ok thank you for that advice. It's a little scary sending out a request to potentially hundreds of unkown people instead of just one or two haha |
| 03:10.49 | olly | you're more likely to get a response though |
| 03:12.00 | olly | and if you've only talked to one person, when it comes to reviewing proposals nobody else will know how long you've been talking to the org for |
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| 03:27.47 | oshivum | Thats a fair point |
| 03:37.37 | valorie | oshivum: best to just dive in somewhere you like |
| 03:38.00 | valorie | start fixing bugs, hang out in the channel(s), join the MLs |
| 03:38.30 | valorie | become part of the community *before* they apply to GSoC |
| 03:38.39 | oshivum | Gotcha |
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| 03:50.00 | oshivum | No that's actually very solid advice. Thank you. I'm just a little worried about making a fool of myself |
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| 03:53.45 | valorie | oshivum: I understand, but really, people are *glad* to get help |
| 03:53.50 | valorie | and love newcomers |
| 03:54.15 | oshivum | Well that is always good to hear haha |
| 03:54.28 | valorie | when people come in and announce "I'm a gsoc student looking for a project" they are often seen as leeches instead |
| 03:55.02 | valorie | because those people often want to take mentor time, but not really become part of the community |
| 03:55.29 | valorie | our experience in KDE is that that type of student will be gone as soon as the last check is cut |
| 03:55.37 | valorie | leaving us to maintain their codebase |
| 03:55.48 | valorie | for us that is a net loss |
| 03:58.09 | oshivum | So the way I announced myself here was probably making a bigger fool of myself than just jumping in huh |
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| 03:59.51 | oshivum | Thank you thought. That really does give some perspective going into the future. I really do appreciate it |
| 04:00.10 | oshivum | It's a little overwhelming though, i'm not going to lie |
| 04:02.50 | valorie | well, it's a whole new world |
| 04:03.03 | valorie | people will forgive and probably forget the announcement |
| 04:03.15 | valorie | especially as you dig in and get your hands dirty |
| 04:03.23 | valorie | fix a bug and all will be forgiven |
| 04:03.43 | valorie | oshivum: announcing here means nothing |
| 04:04.14 | valorie | and this is a great channel to get info - both from prospective mentors, orgs, admins, but also from fellow students |
| 04:04.31 | valorie | some of whom have done successful GSoC projects already |
| 04:04.57 | oshivum | Then I will be in here a lot! |
| 04:05.08 | oshivum | What is the main purpose of the community bonding period |
| 04:05.38 | oshivum | I can guess from the name, but I'd like to hear about it more from a mentor's (I am assuming you are a mentor) point of view |
| 04:05.52 | valorie | I'm an org admin |
| 04:06.19 | valorie | for those students who are new to the community, it is a chance to get to know the people and the procedures |
| 04:06.28 | valorie | also where to find information and resources |
| 04:07.08 | valorie | it very much helps to have that bonding done early, so that you can actually begin researching and even designing your code base as you go along |
| 04:08.08 | valorie | if your accounts are all set up, you know how the bug tracker, review process etc. all work, then you will really be able to hit the ground running |
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| 15:38.49 | perway | Just curious, does one have to be in college to participate in gsoc? |
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| 15:40.33 | ty221 | perway: Need to be adult and in high school |
| 15:40.53 | perway | Meaning anyone >18 and in school of some sort. |
| 15:40.55 | perway | right? |
| 15:41.47 | meflin | yes you have to be in college ... see the student guide |
| 15:43.12 | perway | ah found it, thanks |
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| 20:39.51 | papajones | hello everyone!! i m new to all this , i want to start contributing to Gsoc , where should i start from, m good at java and javascript/html/css. |
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| 21:48.43 | carols | serve some tea and coffee |
| 21:48.46 | carols | happy friday everyone |
| 21:49.01 | cshah | :D happy friday |
| 21:50.45 | ChristianM | adds some free cookies to the mix |
| 21:50.59 | ChristianM | happy friday carols |
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| 23:30.00 | benzrf | haha |
| 23:30.39 | benzrf | i turn 18 on feb 19th & i am currently in high school |
| 23:31.24 | benzrf | a google employee i know suggested i try applying to my local community college and potentially use their acceptance to do gsoc |
| 23:31.32 | benzrf | is that actually legal |
| 23:35.12 | scorche|sh | i dont understand - you would be enrolled in a college, no? |
| 23:35.20 | benzrf | yeah |
| 23:35.26 | benzrf | "actually legal" is an overstatement |
| 23:35.33 | benzrf | i mean is that something that would be frowned upon by the organizers |
| 23:35.41 | benzrf | isnt gsoc supposed to be for people who are legitimately attending college |
| 23:36.02 | scorche|sh | are you saying you would be enrolled and wouldnt actually attend? |
| 23:36.22 | scorche|sh | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a |
| 23:37.03 | benzrf | scorche|sh: yeah |
| 23:37.35 | benzrf | scorche|sh: i [probably] have another year of HS and also i'd rather not go to a community college if i can get into somewhere better |
| 23:37.50 | *** join/#gsoc gianr (~gianr@179.180.190.141) |
| 23:39.32 | benzrf | scorche|sh: but the eligibility guidelines accept a letter of acceptance |
| 23:39.34 | *** join/#gsoc asmeurer (~asmeurer@cpe-72-182-1-75.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 23:39.38 | terri | it seems like if you're enrolled part-time, that is legit. But if you don't actually want to be enrolled part time, that seems like an awfully convoluted way to get a job. |
| 23:39.52 | benzrf | terri: eh |
| 23:40.07 | benzrf | terri: what would you recommend over it |
| 23:40.17 | benzrf | i dont see myself getting employment as a programmer otherwise |
| 23:40.25 | benzrf | hmmm maaaaaybe |
| 23:41.27 | terri | got employment as a web developer around that age without such convolutions, but depending on where you live that may not be a thing you can do. |
| 23:41.36 | benzrf | ewww web dev |
| 23:42.07 | benzrf | i could probably live with backend stuff but im pretty crap at frontend stuff |
| 23:42.18 | benzrf | but yeah i live in maine |
| 23:42.21 | benzrf | not really a tech hub |
| 23:42.31 | terri | I lived in a city that had some programs for putting more local content online and hired students, back then |
| 23:43.07 | benzrf | ach |
| 23:43.11 | benzrf | im abt 2 hours from boston |
| 23:43.11 | terri | and don't knock web dev -- it pays better than flipping burgers and didn't result in midnight phone calls like sysadmin work did. ;) |
| 23:44.30 | benzrf | terri: tbh i think i prefer painful but interesting to unpainful but web dev |
| 23:44.31 | valorie | also one can move to web dev toward web ops |
| 23:44.37 | benzrf | he said, from his postition of never having been employed |
| 23:44.46 | benzrf | *position |
| 23:45.10 | benzrf | but gsoc looks good because i might get to write code in a nonterrible language for money 8D |
| 23:45.13 | valorie | our kde sysadmins are awesome, and now that web ops people are helping out too, it gets better and better |
| 23:45.45 | terri | *I* think web dev can be fascinating, but I have a PhD in web security and sit on W3C working groups related to security now so my perspective is very different from most people's on that front. ;) |
| 23:45.59 | valorie | benzrf: the point from the org side (KDE in my case) is not to get blobs of code, but to get new contributing community members |
| 23:46.10 | valorie | so keep that in mind as you approach orgs |
| 23:46.11 | terri | but really, you should have been doing GCI if you're in high school. it's a pity you've just missed the end of that for this year |
| 23:46.25 | valorie | we'll be interested in YOU, not just your proposed code |
| 23:46.45 | valorie | our GCi students did great work this year! |
| 23:47.54 | benzrf | yeah |
| 23:47.58 | benzrf | i was looking forward to it |
| 23:47.59 | benzrf | q_q |
| 23:48.03 | benzrf | then i completely forgot about it |
| 23:48.06 | benzrf | until like a month ago |
| 23:48.37 | benzrf | valorie: ah kde |
| 23:49.05 | benzrf | my software-bigoted friend loves to hate on kde :^) |
| 23:49.12 | benzrf | then again he also likes arch |
| 23:49.34 | valorie | we have lots of arch users |
| 23:49.49 | benzrf | i-i was being facetious |
| 23:49.54 | valorie | benzrf: a month would have been enough |
| 23:50.08 | benzrf | valorie: :| |
| 23:50.15 | benzrf | i assumed it wouldnt |
| 23:50.16 | valorie | it was only 6 weeks |
| 23:50.16 | benzrf | fuck |
| 23:50.32 | valorie | 6 weeks of madness and fun |
| 23:50.34 | terri | a month would even have been enough to make it to grand prize winner, in some orgs, if you worked hard. |
| 23:50.40 | benzrf | noooooooo |
| 23:51.16 | valorie | pays to put things on your calendar and pay attention when your phone dings you about stuff |
| 23:51.20 | valorie | :-) |
| 23:51.32 | benzrf | i dont own a phone because my parents are luddites |
| 23:51.44 | valorie | works on your computer as well |
| 23:51.49 | benzrf | blugh whatever |
| 23:51.55 | valorie | you can't buy your own phone? |
| 23:51.58 | valorie | hmmmm |
| 23:52.01 | benzrf | with which money |
| 23:52.24 | valorie | hmmm, i earned my own money from age 12 or so |
| 23:52.32 | benzrf | well im a lazy asshole so |
| 23:52.39 | benzrf | erm |
| 23:52.48 | valorie | that is a personal choice |
| 23:52.52 | benzrf | :[ |
| 23:53.03 | benzrf | yeah i was thinking i should finally look into getting a job this summer |
| 23:54.16 | terri | You might want to evaluate whether the cost of signing up for and attending a community college course is going to cost too much to make GSoC worthwhile for you, in that case |
| 23:54.54 | benzrf | ah, but my parents might be willing to pay for the course |
| 23:55.03 | benzrf | or whatever it is that i do |
| 23:55.58 | benzrf | man, i sound extremely 17 :\ |
| 23:57.01 | terri | not just money cost, also time cost. |
| 23:57.16 | benzrf | true |
| 23:57.45 | terri | and I think being 17 is probably a good excuse for sounding 17. ;) |
| 23:59.32 | valorie | most of my kids went to community college during/instead of high school |
| 23:59.50 | valorie | my state has Running Start that makes that possible |