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| 17:40.29 | vishnu | I want take part GSOC 2015.How can i start with? |
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| 17:42.55 | vishnu | I want take part GSOC 2015.How can i start with? |
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| 17:43.55 | teepee | vishnu: you could find some open source project that matches your interrests and get involved there |
| 17:44.22 | carols | vishnu: best way is to start developing for an open source organization now so that you have the skills that are applicable when and if gsoc 2015 comes along |
| 17:44.27 | carols | so, what teepee said |
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| 17:56.05 | vishnu | what are the minimum languages required for web dev? |
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| 17:57.47 | KolibriOS|yogev | vishnu: Any language for which you can find at least one organization. |
| 17:58.23 | KolibriOS|yogev | vishnu: I think there's no language that is not used by none of the orgs. So pick any. |
| 17:58.31 | vishnu | are html and css for doing projects in GS? |
| 17:58.55 | KolibriOS|yogev | vishnu: Yes, there are orgs using HTML/JS/CSS as well. |
| 17:58.59 | |Kev| | No, it has to be writing code. HTML and CSS are just markup |
| 17:59.04 | |Kev| | But if you add JS to the mix, yes. |
| 17:59.49 | vishnu | where can i start learning? |
| 17:59.51 | blast007 | there may be some server-side code as well, such as PHP, Python, Ruby, Java, etc. Depends on the organization and the project they have in mind. |
| 18:00.12 | KolibriOS|yogev | vishnu: For example, Wikimedia Foundation (the authors of Wikipedia) use HTML/CSS/JS |
| 18:00.45 | |Kev| | Codecademy is a good place to start learning languages. |
| 18:01.36 | vishnu | I have an idea on languages.How can i start with projects? |
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| 18:02.02 | KolibriOS|yogev | vishnu: You can start by checking the list of selected orgs for this year: http://goo.gl/Qx6xLC |
| 18:02.28 | KolibriOS|yogev | vishnu: Pick an org that you like from the list (you can use tags to search for languages) |
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| 18:03.59 | vishnu | is it better to projects to the same org that we want to work for? |
| 18:04.43 | KolibriOS|yogev | vishnu: If by "work" you mean "paid jobs after GSoC", then not all orgs offer paid jobs at all. |
| 18:04.49 | vishnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.45 | vishnu | before GSOC 2015 is it better to do projects in the same org's that we want to work for in GSOC? |
| 18:08.15 | KolibriOS|yogev | vishnu: Oh, that. Yes, sure. |
| 18:08.50 | KolibriOS|yogev | vishnu: That dramatically increases your chance to be selected in GSoC 2015 if it takes place. |
| 18:10.38 | teepee | would phrase that a bit differently |
| 18:10.46 | vishnu | In GSOC,is it required that all the languages in tags should be known? |
| 18:11.30 | teepee | also nobody can say which orgs will be accepted next year. I guess there are some pretty safe bets |
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| 18:11.56 | akshat10 | what would be these safe bets? |
| 18:12.29 | teepee | well, the bigger orgs that were part most or all of the previous years |
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| 18:12.53 | KolibriOS|yogev | vishnu: It depends on the project. For some projects, you would have to know all of them. For other projects, only a few or even one. |
| 18:13.07 | teepee | but just looking at those may really limit the choice, and there's lots of interesting things to be learned in smaller projects |
| 18:14.36 | PulkoMandy | akshat10: there is no such thing as a safe bet. Google makes the decision on who can enter, based on the idea page for the org, and some other rules |
| 18:14.58 | PulkoMandy | they may decide to remove projects that participated in all previous editions to make space for new one, for example |
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| 18:15.55 | PulkoMandy | but it doesn't really matter, if you put your skills to good use in one project, and the org doesn't get into GSoC, you can still show that you have already made contributions to opensource projects, and that you know how they work |
| 18:16.17 | PulkoMandy | this also makes you stand out from other students when you apply for another project, so nothing is lost |
| 18:16.31 | PulkoMandy | (and you get to know 2 projects instead of just one) |
| 18:17.14 | akshat10 | So while choosing an organisation, should I specifically choose from the list of the organisations that participated in gsoc'14? |
| 18:18.25 | PulkoMandy | not specifically. the list is a bit different every year. |
| 18:19.14 | PulkoMandy | but these are likely to be at least candidates for GSoC next year, and they have some experience running the program, so things may go a bit smoother than in an org participating for the first time |
| 18:19.47 | PulkoMandy | note that orgs that participate for the first time usually get only one or two students so they aren't overloaded with the work to do to mentor students properly |
| 18:19.58 | PulkoMandy | returning orgs may get more |
| 18:21.02 | akshat10 | I'm new to open source community, any tips on how to choose an organisation? |
| 18:21.15 | |Kev| | Pick one that uses software that you use. |
| 18:21.20 | |Kev| | s/uses/writes/ |
| 18:21.40 | |Kev| | Code's much more fun when you want to use it yourself. |
| 18:22.05 | |Kev| | (Or software that you want to use, or that you have a particular interest in, or whatever) |
| 18:22.31 | KolibriOS|yogev | akshat10: Or programming language that you like. |
| 18:22.54 | |Kev| | Meh, languages are languages, you can learn to like most of the non-horrid ones :) |
| 18:23.00 | akshat10 | are the organisations willing to take in someone who has pretty basic knowledge of some programming language? |
| 18:23.16 | |Kev| | Depends on the org. |
| 18:23.23 | umccullough | depends on the someone too :) |
| 18:23.32 | KolibriOS|yogev | |Kev|: I chose my org for the language :-) |
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| 18:24.25 | akshat10 | but they would be willing to take in someone who's willing to learn and contribute right? |
| 18:24.31 | |Kev| | Of all the languages to love, an assembler is not one I'd imagine most people picking :) |
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| 18:25.04 | |Kev| | akshat10: Depends on the person, and depends on the org. Some orgs have difficult projects that need you to be fairly accomplished, others are very newbie-friendly, some have mixes of both. |
| 18:25.52 | gevaerts | Also, you have to be willing to communicate effectively |
| 18:25.54 | KolibriOS|yogev | |Kev|: Exactly my point. You'd pick us only if you like the language :-) |
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| 18:26.12 | akshat10 | kev: any orgs you'd know of which would be willing to take in newbies ? |
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| 18:26.51 | |Kev| | akshat10: I wouldn't know, sorry. |
| 18:27.00 | KolibriOS|yogev | akshat10: Which languages do you have the basic knowledge at? |
| 18:27.06 | PulkoMandy | I think having a mix of easy and hard projects is part of the selection rules for orgs |
| 18:27.12 | akshat10 | kev: thanks |
| 18:27.35 | akshat10 | and I've some experience at android dev, c/c++ |
| 18:28.06 | PulkoMandy | but you shouldn't worry too much about that. Just pick something you use/like or find interesting/fun, start playing with the code, and when/if GSoC 2015 starts you will be ready to write a super awesome proposal |
| 18:28.22 | PulkoMandy | even for another similar project, if your org of choice doesn't make it |
| 18:28.24 | gevaerts | grumbles at c/c++ |
| 18:29.12 | PulkoMandy | right. Do you know C or C++? If you can't tell the difference, you probably don't know either of them |
| 18:29.43 | gevaerts | Knowing both is also allowed :) |
| 18:29.52 | KolibriOS|yogev | PulkoMandy: I've learned both at the uni. I know neither :-) |
| 18:30.03 | akshat10 | shit, I totally overlooked that. |
| 18:30.18 | akshat10 | and yes, I do know the difference between the two. |
| 18:30.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | PulkoMandy: I've also written homework exercises in a mix of two. They compiled and ran fine :-) |
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| 18:30.45 | PulkoMandy | KolibriOS|yogev: yes, that's exactly what "C/C++" is :) |
| 18:31.08 | |Kev| | gevaerts: C++ is lovely, don't grumble :p |
| 18:31.21 | |Kev| | Well, no, it's warty as hell, but it's still a useful language. |
| 18:32.03 | PulkoMandy | anyway, I can advertise my own project, www.haiku-os.org, is written in C++. So if you think C++ is a great language you can have a look at it |
| 18:32.21 | PulkoMandy | if you prefer C or Android it's better to look elsewhere |
| 18:32.24 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I'm not going to disagree (too dangerous in a channel full of opinionated people like this one!), but there is this thing of writing in a C style but using templates :) |
| 18:32.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | akshat10: Project TOX looks like something you can start with: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/tox (they use android clients and C/C++) |
| 18:32.42 | |Kev| | gevaerts: If you're writing C in C++ you're doing it wrong :) |
| 18:32.50 | gevaerts | Exactly! |
| 18:33.11 | gevaerts | But that's the only reasonable consistent interpretation of "c/c++" |
| 18:33.29 | |Kev| | PulkoMandy: Every year I see Haiku mentioned and I go to have another look at it. It's still something I'd like an excuse to play with, but don't have one :/ |
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| 18:33.59 | gevaerts | Unless it means "1, and c has been incremented, unless it was 0 and then all bets are off" :) |
| 18:34.21 | umccullough | |Kev|, sounds like you're bad at making excuses :D |
| 18:34.36 | |Kev| | Possibly. Or I have many other things for which it's easier to make excuses. |
| 18:34.53 | |Kev| | It looks fun, regardless :) |
| 18:34.55 | PulkoMandy | remove any other OS from your computer, and install Haiku. See how long you can keep using that :) |
| 18:35.30 | |Kev| | Not, I rather suspect, very, given I need to write code for platforms that aren't Haiku. |
| 18:35.55 | gevaerts | I once tried to use Haiku, but the documentation was more than 17 syllables long so I gave up |
| 18:36.01 | |Kev| | Haha. |
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| 18:39.20 | |Kev| | PulkoMandy: Take this as you will, but I notice there's no obvious way to download Haiku once you move away from the homepage. |
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| 18:39.33 | |Kev| | I looked at the screenshots, thought "Right, let's grab an ISO...wait, where?". |
| 18:40.27 | PulkoMandy | yes, our website is a mess |
| 18:40.35 | KolibriOS|yogev | PulkoMandy: Actually in 2010 I was looking for a fast GUI-based OS for slow x86 computers. I tried ReactOS and Haiku, but they both didn't boot there. Then I tried KolibriOS, and it booted and even worked, although drivers for a lot of things were missing. I wonder what would happen if I try it now. |
| 18:40.46 | |Kev| | Should I be grabbing Alpha 4.1? |
| 18:41.05 | PulkoMandy | |Kev|: I'd recommend a nightly build from http://download.haiku-os.org |
| 18:41.17 | |Kev| | Will this have sensible drivers for a Fusion VM? |
| 18:41.44 | PulkoMandy | I don't know, I use only real hardware |
| 18:42.11 | PulkoMandy | http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/virtualizing may have relevant information |
| 18:42.18 | |Kev| | Ta. |
| 18:42.30 | |Kev| | I had other things I was going to do this evening, but bye bye free time :p |
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| 18:52.02 | |Kev| | Right. There's a Haiku install. Now if only I had the first clue how to use it :D |
| 18:52.33 | PulkoMandy | https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/contents.html ? |
| 18:53.49 | |Kev| | Yeah, I'm reading now, ta. |
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| 19:35.27 | carols | MatthewWilkes: you around? |
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| 19:59.51 | MatthewWilkes | carols: pong |
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| 20:22.55 | MatthewWilkes | Hm, seems I have tomorrow off. That removes my incentive to go to bed early and not hack⦠|
| 20:23.51 | carols | so you stay up late and hack? |
| 20:24.01 | MatthewWilkes | Might have to |
| 20:24.17 | MatthewWilkes | But what⦠hm⦠|
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