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| 12:39.53 | jbisch | Hi does anyone know if it is okay for a non-GSoC student to help a GSoC student with his GSoC project? |
| 12:40.07 | gevaerts | Define "help" |
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| 12:40.17 | gevaerts | GSoC students aren't expected to work in a vacuum |
| 12:40.23 | jbisch | He wants to contribute code. |
| 12:41.02 | gevaerts | I'd say an organisation is still free to accept code from anyone it likes :) |
| 12:41.41 | gevaerts | The project goals might have to be reviewed though, if more people are contributing, you might want to expect more results |
| 12:42.03 | gevaerts | clarifies that none of his answers are in any way official |
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| 12:42.37 | gsocbot | pkp: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 12:44.26 | jbisch | gsocbot: Okay thanks. |
| 12:44.37 | olly | jbisch: one thing to bear in mind is the student needs to submit a "code sample" to google at the end, which should be just their code |
| 12:45.04 | olly | dumping out the diffs for the commits you authored is one solution to that |
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| 15:12.29 | gscoer | Is it okay to send your mentor a friend request on facbook or I should strictly stay away for their personal life? |
| 15:12.48 | cnj | gscoer |
| 15:13.09 | cnj | that depends upon you and your mentor relationship |
| 15:13.15 | tachyons | gscoer, depends |
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| 15:23.08 | VB | Use Google+ and circle mentor @gscoer :) |
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| 15:24.39 | VB | then mentor can decide if he/she wants to follow you back or not |
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| 16:00.02 | VB | Has everyone received first payment? |
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| 16:04.22 | jbisch | VB: Received an email about it, haven't actaully received it in my bank account yet. |
| 16:04.26 | solistice | hello carols |
| 16:04.32 | carols | hi solistice |
| 16:04.38 | solistice | how's your day? |
| 16:04.51 | solistice | (did it start long ago? no idea :P) |
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| 16:05.48 | carols | fine thanks, just busy |
| 16:06.22 | solistice | could I pm you about something? |
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| 16:07.31 | meflin | serves tea |
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| 16:08.37 | carols | solistice: sure |
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| 16:27.12 | kaku | anyone else from india got $505 transfered today ? |
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| 16:30.36 | kaku | just wanted to know much different banks deducted as exchange conversion charges.. |
| 16:30.57 | r4chi7 | kaku: there is a ##gsoc-india channel, please discuss there |
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| 16:37.10 | s1991 | kaku: how much did you get transfered? |
| 16:38.22 | carols | s1991: kaku: want to take this to a PM? |
| 16:39.33 | s1991 | carols: fine, sorry for that |
| 16:39.38 | carols | cheers |
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| 20:27.41 | right-hearted | carols, hi. Could you please answer to couple of questions regarding package shipment and documentation for my university? |
| 20:27.49 | carols | right-hearted: sure. |
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| 20:29.47 | byBLiX | Hi GSoC, forgive me if i haven't searched enough, but as i recall, there is no objective-c or cocoa projects? |
| 20:30.04 | right-hearted | carols, About shipment. You see I am from Kazakhstan, so I mentioned my address without any hope to get package from google. However, couple of days ago I have learned out that my friend is going to USA in couple of days. So I want to ask is it possible to change my shipment address now, so that my friend would pick package for me? |
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| 20:32.27 | byBLiX | noone available for questions? |
| 20:33.12 | meflin | byBLiX: no idea ... |
| 20:33.21 | PlkMndy | byBLiX: one way to search for this is the tag filter in the GSoC project list |
| 20:33.23 | meflin | why does it mater? |
| 20:33.34 | PlkMndy | I don't know all the projects, so I can't help more than that |
| 20:34.17 | byBLiX | meflin: could be ppl were just idling with no further purpose |
| 20:34.23 | byBLiX | cheers PlkMndy |
| 20:34.37 | PlkMndy | MacPorts is in the list and seems to have objective-C in their tags |
| 20:34.50 | PlkMndy | and GNU as well (I guess some gcc project?) |
| 20:35.23 | byBLiX | are you a student on the GSoC this year? |
| 20:35.30 | byBLiX | also, my main language is not english, so you may encounter spelling errors |
| 20:35.54 | meflin | my main lang is bad-english spelling errors are expected |
| 20:36.08 | byBLiX | haha ill keep it in mind |
| 20:36.30 | byBLiX | theres only the GNU and macports project |
| 20:37.13 | byBLiX | wonder if google would like some objective-c implementing in their software |
| 20:37.18 | gevaerts | byBLiX: why do you actually care? |
| 20:38.00 | byBLiX | well for one, i would like to submit to next years GSoC |
| 20:38.23 | byBLiX | but i am into objective-c and cocoa coding |
| 20:39.00 | meflin | that seems like a limited skill set |
| 20:39.29 | byBLiX | meflin: have you got any experience? |
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| 20:40.16 | gevaerts | gnustep has been in gsoc a few times. Maybe they'll be back |
| 20:40.32 | meflin | not a lot ... just a few decades of work xp and 1/2 a decade of gsoc mentoring |
| 20:41.07 | byBLiX | so you can already say, that there will be no ob.-c projects? |
| 20:41.27 | meflin | no one knows what next year will bring |
| 20:41.32 | gevaerts | Nobody said or implied anything like that |
| 20:41.48 | gevaerts | Except you :) |
| 20:42.01 | byBLiX | well i can kind of tell from the tag list on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2014 |
| 20:42.17 | teepee | the tags list might not be the full picture |
| 20:42.39 | gevaerts | So you can tell from the list of this year's accepted projects that people here claimed that there will be no objective-C projects next year? |
| 20:42.42 | gevaerts | Impressive! |
| 20:43.11 | teepee | subsurface has an "iPhone Companion App" idea for this year |
| 20:43.26 | byBLiX | gevaerts: i was actually wondering if anybody could tell me if there is, but clearly you have no knowledge of that |
| 20:43.37 | gevaerts | How could *anyone* know? |
| 20:44.03 | byBLiX | i dont know, perhaps thats why i joined this channel in the first place? |
| 20:44.13 | gevaerts | Maybe there just wasn't any decent proposal involving objective-C this year, and seven organisations are really disappointed about that? |
| 20:44.30 | byBLiX | teepee: can you link to the project? |
| 20:44.50 | teepee | it's actually tagged just as ios in case of subsurface |
| 20:44.54 | teepee | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/subsurface |
| 20:45.06 | byBLiX | gevaerts: thats why im here. im decent.. |
| 20:45.13 | byBLiX | teepee: cheers |
| 20:45.50 | teepee | still nobody knows if that will be open for next year |
| 20:46.01 | meflin | or if it will be open at all |
| 20:46.07 | teepee | of cause if nobody picked it this year, it's always possible to do it outside of gsoc |
| 20:46.17 | PulkoMandy | also remember that the list of projects isn't strict, and some orgs will be happy with you providing your own idea - provided they can find a suitable mentor for it |
| 20:46.30 | byBLiX | right |
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| 20:47.03 | byBLiX | what is the most common language to code in the GSoC? |
| 20:47.25 | byBLiX | top 3 languages* |
| 20:47.29 | byBLiX | ? |
| 20:47.35 | meflin | who knows |
| 20:48.05 | byBLiX | well, what are the most mentored projects speaking? |
| 20:48.05 | olly | byBLiX: i don't think anyone collects that data for accepted projects |
| 20:48.20 | olly | you can look at the tag list to get an idea though |
| 20:48.22 | kblin | I had a fun proposal to code a prototype project in go, and had not a single proposal for that |
| 20:48.47 | byBLiX | oh |
| 20:49.15 | olly | kblin: and ISTR someone complaining there weren't any go projects |
| 20:49.50 | olly | pointed out we had one, but no proposal for that either |
| 20:50.22 | gevaerts | bets that many people just are bad at searching :) |
| 20:50.53 | olly | the tag search is pretty unhelpful for search for short words which are commonly substrings of other words |
| 20:51.00 | kblin | too bad this is google summer of code, where I expect that people can at least use search engines |
| 20:51.08 | gevaerts | olly: that's why it's helpful! |
| 20:51.09 | olly | which is unhelpful for "c", "go", ... |
| 20:51.24 | gevaerts | It weeds out those who are bad at regular expressions :) |
| 20:51.34 | olly | even "java" matches "javascript" |
| 20:51.40 | olly | tag search isn't RE is it? |
| 20:51.48 | gevaerts | It is, if you tell it to be |
| 20:51.56 | olly | oh, i missed that |
| 20:51.59 | kblin | arguably we had people applying for projects in C regardless |
| 20:52.20 | byBLiX | kblin: just plain C? |
| 20:52.35 | gevaerts | byBLiX: as opposed to? |
| 20:52.35 | kblin | you say that as if it's a bad thing... |
| 20:52.36 | olly | byBLiX: not plain C, ISO C! |
| 20:52.56 | gevaerts | He wouldn't have said C if he didn't mean C |
| 20:53.18 | perepujal | Is there anything outside C? |
| 20:53.22 | byBLiX | well, could be C++, objective-c, what would i know? |
| 20:53.30 | kblin | ew |
| 20:53.32 | gevaerts | Those aren't C, are they? |
| 20:53.35 | kblin | and slightly less ew |
| 20:53.55 | byBLiX | well, they are developed from C |
| 20:54.08 | gevaerts | Well, people also call C C and not BCPL |
| 20:54.17 | byBLiX | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C |
| 20:54.19 | gevaerts | So that's not a good argument |
| 20:54.42 | kblin | from that argument, java is C and go is C as well |
| 20:54.53 | byBLiX | kblin: true |
| 20:55.01 | kblin | so that would make C the most common programming language in GSoC :) |
| 20:55.08 | byBLiX | haha nice |
| 20:55.11 | byBLiX | where to apply |
| 20:55.28 | PulkoMandy | and csh? |
| 20:55.38 | gevaerts | PulkoMandy: that's clearly based on perl :) |
| 20:55.48 | kblin | only if you sell them on the sea shore |
| 20:56.30 | gevaerts | :( |
| 20:56.31 | gevaerts | :) |
| 20:56.37 | gevaerts | often confuses ) and ( |
| 20:56.45 | gevaerts | Which is why I don't do lisp |
| 20:57.13 | kblin | :) |
| 20:57.44 | kblin | now, if we had more projects in OOK, that'd be fun |
| 20:58.53 | byBLiX | kblin: does it require a bachelor/master/phd to apply the gsoc? |
| 20:59.31 | gevaerts | kblin: you want someone to write a new library management system? |
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| 21:00.05 | kblin | I doubt you can apply if you have a phd.. usually at that time they finally get the clue to get out of university |
| 21:00.15 | kblin | at least I did |
| 21:00.36 | byBLiX | well, i have a bachelor |
| 21:00.46 | byBLiX | would it be appropriate? |
| 21:01.00 | kblin | sure |
| 21:01.05 | kblin | you need to be a student |
| 21:01.29 | kblin | you should be able to think like a programmer |
| 21:01.43 | kblin | you need to be able to work in a remote team environment |
| 21:01.56 | kblin | the rest is pretty much optional |
| 21:02.10 | byBLiX | thats what i did for the past 4 years |
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| 21:02.50 | byBLiX | but i put my bachelorproject in developing iOS apps |
| 21:03.04 | byBLiX | and it doesnt seem to be the most attractive subject in the gsoc |
| 21:03.18 | byBLiX | so it would require me to find a decent project |
| 21:03.38 | teepee | well, apple is not exactly friendly for opensource apps |
| 21:03.59 | kblin | well, or pick a project that looks interesting, and then learn whatever programming language they're using |
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| 21:04.28 | byBLiX | teepee: no, but i am not apple mate |
| 21:04.50 | byBLiX | kblin: ok |
| 21:05.05 | byBLiX | and then i only have to be the 1% |
| 21:05.07 | teepee | byBLiX: i don't mind either way. just pointing out there are some problems with the combination of opensource and apple/iOS apps |
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| 21:05.56 | teepee | but then as there are some iOS ideas this year, there's a good chance there might be some next year (assuming there's a gsoc again) |
| 21:06.00 | kblin | teepee: apple is friendly enough to non-GPL OSS stuff.. LLVM is a gsoc org |
| 21:06.43 | byBLiX | teepee: youre quite correct, |
| 21:06.58 | teepee | ok, to be precise the app-store rules are hostile to GPL |
| 21:06.59 | olly | a more accurate summary is probably that apple's not GPLv3 friendly |
| 21:06.59 | byBLiX | and i do hope there is a gsoc again |
| 21:07.29 | teepee | yes, that would be nice :) |
| 21:07.32 | olly | that seems to be the main reason why they've invested a lot into LLVM |
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| 21:09.49 | byBLiX | Thanks for enlightening me on the topic |
| 21:10.08 | byBLiX | I do hope to be the 1 Danish person to join the GSoC next year |
| 21:10.56 | kblin | that makes me realize that I pretty much forgot all my Danish |
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| 21:11.20 | byBLiX | its a dying language anyways |
| 21:11.26 | kblin | apart from "Jeg vil gerne have en øl", I guess |
| 21:11.52 | byBLiX | well its 100% correct |
| 21:12.01 | teepee | why the only one? |
| 21:12.15 | byBLiX | you can repeat it |
| 21:12.20 | teepee | 2013 had 4 danish students |
| 21:12.21 | kblin | teepee: async is the way to go in bar, not multi-threaded |
| 21:12.31 | byBLiX | 2014 had 1 |
| 21:12.33 | kblin | oh, students, not øl |
| 21:12.38 | byBLiX | haha |
| 21:12.46 | byBLiX | i figured that just now |
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| 21:13.05 | teepee | aww. so get that number up again for next year |
| 21:13.17 | byBLiX | teepee: i will do my best :) |
| 21:13.23 | byBLiX | will you be attending? |
| 21:13.30 | kblin | the number is small enough to count that as noise, I guess |
| 21:13.41 | byBLiX | yeah apart from india |
| 21:13.51 | byBLiX | holy f*ck |
| 21:13.53 | teepee | is mentor this year. we'll see what happens next year |
| 21:14.04 | kblin | 'that' being the variation, I mean |
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| 21:14.12 | byBLiX | teepee: link to your project? |
| 21:14.30 | byBLiX | i get it |
| 21:14.57 | byBLiX | kblin: do you have a danish keyboard? |
| 21:14.59 | kblin | byBLiX: I guess 1 danish student is a higher percentage of the population, though |
| 21:15.10 | teepee | OpenSCAD with BRL-CAD as umbrella org https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/brlcad :) |
| 21:15.12 | byBLiX | of the world population? |
| 21:15.12 | olly | if you scale to a percentage of populatuon, Denmark's probably about half India |
| 21:15.22 | teepee | but no obj-c currently ;) |
| 21:15.25 | byBLiX | olly: not even close |
| 21:15.42 | olly | I worked it out for NZ, and NZ with 2 students actually leads India as a percentage |
| 21:15.50 | olly | and NZ's about 4.2 million |
| 21:15.55 | kblin | no, of course not. why would I, seeing how I only know one sentence in danish? :) |
| 21:15.56 | byBLiX | teepee: damn :) but sure does look interesting. |
| 21:16.27 | byBLiX | teepee: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/details/google/gsoc2014/popescuandrei/5653164804014080 |
| 21:16.30 | byBLiX | especially this |
| 21:16.38 | kblin | but unix has this great concept of a compose key, that allows me to do øs and bolle-ås easily |
| 21:16.38 | byBLiX | kblin: because you can write danish letters? øæå |
| 21:16.47 | kblin | æs as well |
| 21:17.08 | byBLiX | you must have tried any combination of the unix then |
| 21:17.09 | byBLiX | lol |
| 21:17.23 | kblin | I mainly use it for umlauts though |
| 21:17.32 | byBLiX | are you german? |
| 21:17.46 | kblin | no, it actually makes a lot of sense.. ø is simply compose-/-o |
| 21:17.59 | byBLiX | ø |
| 21:18.02 | byBLiX | gosh |
| 21:18.18 | kblin | and if you know that å basically is aa, then you can easily guess that compose-a-a makes the å |
| 21:18.20 | byBLiX | youre right |
| 21:18.35 | kblin | guess how you type an æ :) |
| 21:18.37 | olly | byBLiX: I'm right, at least according to wikipedia - Denmark's 1 gsoc student in 5627235; India 401 in 1210193444, which is 1 in ~ 3017939 |
| 21:18.40 | byBLiX | never thought of it :) |
| 21:18.59 | byBLiX | kblin: ill just stick to my native keyboard, and have you figure out the unix' ;) |
| 21:19.00 | olly | though the India pop there is from 2011, the Danish one from 2014 |
| 21:19.10 | olly | so it'll actually be closer now |
| 21:19.49 | byBLiX | olly: haha |
| 21:20.11 | kblin | but yes, I'm german, and I like to code on a keyboard that doesn't have umlauts but instead puts the brackets into the correct location |
| 21:20.13 | byBLiX | you actually right |
| 21:20.19 | byBLiX | youre |
| 21:20.27 | byBLiX | just did the googlin' |
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| 21:20.47 | byBLiX | kblin: k see |
| 21:20.52 | byBLiX | i* |
| 21:21.18 | byBLiX | olly: but 401 students of india |
| 21:21.32 | byBLiX | thats a lot of students from india, how come? |
| 21:21.46 | olly | i wonder how it looks if you do it as a proportion of eligible students - I suspect India has more of a bias to youth than Denmark, though I've no idea what proportion go to uni at either |
| 21:22.19 | olly | byBLiX: because there's a huge number of people in India, many have good English, and GSoC is well known in the unis there |
| 21:22.45 | gevaerts | Surely you need a password for 401 students? |
| 21:22.56 | byBLiX | you still lurking gevaerts |
| 21:23.16 | kblin | also, it's probably more attractive money-wise |
| 21:23.19 | olly | gevaerts: no, just some form of auth... |
| 21:23.35 | byBLiX | olly: allright, i kinda have cash in my mind |
| 21:23.38 | gevaerts | olly: I'll implement it in BASIC |
| 21:23.48 | byBLiX | exactly kblin |
| 21:24.26 | kblin | better than 418 for sure |
| 21:24.37 | byBLiX | olly: i do believe denmark have just as well educated people in english |
| 21:24.48 | gevaerts | kblin: you don't like tea? |
| 21:24.49 | byBLiX | taken my education in perspective |
| 21:24.59 | olly | byBLiX: quite possibly, but that's not true for every country |
| 21:25.12 | kblin | gevaerts: I do, but not when talking to my coffee machine |
| 21:25.20 | gevaerts | :) |
| 21:25.21 | byBLiX | olly: in comparison with india |
| 21:25.53 | gevaerts | byBLiX: have you looked at how many people live in India compared to Denmark lately? |
| 21:25.59 | olly | TBH, i'm more surprised NZ has a higher percentage than India - the fit with the uni year here is terrible, as the long break is in the summer (i.e. over new year) |
| 21:26.25 | byBLiX | gevaerts: thats kinda what we talked about already :/ |
| 21:26.28 | kblin | gevaerts: we just crunched those numbers, see scrollback :) |
| 21:27.03 | gevaerts | What? I'm supposed to *read* before I reply? |
| 21:27.08 | gevaerts | grumbles |
| 21:28.12 | kblin | you don't have to, but we reserve the right to poke fun at you if you don't |
| 21:28.22 | kblin | looks like a win-win to me |
| 21:28.33 | gevaerts | Why am I being singled out? Nobody else in here reads anything before asking! |
| 21:28.54 | kblin | because we think you're special :) |
| 21:29.09 | gevaerts | Ah, fair enough :) |
| 21:29.33 | teepee | and always there, so it's easier to remember just one name :P |
| 21:29.59 | kblin | yes, special |
| 21:30.07 | gevaerts | Hmmmm |
| 21:30.09 | teepee | very |
| 21:30.17 | gevaerts | is getting suspicious now |
| 21:31.39 | byBLiX | 'special', distinguished, set apart from, or excelling others of its kind |
| 21:31.55 | gevaerts | byBLiX: I know this lot. That's *not* what they mean |
| 21:32.14 | byBLiX | guess we'll never know huh |
| 21:32.32 | kblin | gah |
| 21:32.34 | gevaerts | I do know! |
| 21:32.50 | gevaerts | would like to point out that he's allowed out on his own quite often! |
| 21:32.52 | byBLiX | "gah" |
| 21:32.53 | kblin | where the heck is my script for this... |
| 21:32.54 | byBLiX | haha |
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| 21:34.38 | byBLiX | Again, thank you for answering my questions. All of you. |
| 21:34.56 | byBLiX | I bid you good night (or whatever time is, in your location) |
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| 22:15.19 | selimthegrim | heh, I was thinking aboyt doing it based out of NZ (I'm from USA) |
| 22:15.33 | selimthegrim | maybe I should count it as a half a student |
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