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| 00:04.52 | cowlicks | Do any americans know where they can file their taxes for free online with the 1099 google gives you? |
| 00:05.06 | cowlicks | turbo tax charges a $50 fee |
| 00:05.32 | stqism | cowlicks: Not really the place, but you should be able to file a 1040ez free |
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| 00:07.04 | cowlicks | postoffices are closed and I have to do it today :/ |
| 00:08.47 | scorche|sh | ouch - this is why you should do things before the deadline... http://www.irs.gov/Filing |
| 00:08.53 | stqism | ^ |
| 00:12.10 | umccullough | when i did my own taxes, i was able to submit them online to the IRS via some e-filing site |
| 00:12.31 | meflin | the irs does have free file ... and I did mine I think through turbo |
| 00:12.34 | umccullough | it's been many years since i did my own taxes ;) |
| 00:12.56 | meflin | http://www.irs.gov/uac/Free-File:-Do-Your-Federal-Taxes-for-Free |
| 00:13.32 | umccullough | no guarantees on state |
| 00:13.43 | umccullough | california had an e-file option too when i last did it |
| 00:14.01 | meflin | colorado has had there own web sight tax form for about a decade |
| 00:14.28 | umccullough | did his taxes back in feb ;) |
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| 04:39.17 | krishnan_p | Hi all. Do mentors need to seek a role in the project, under which the GSOC proposal they wish to mentor, is submitted? |
| 04:39.36 | meflin | yes |
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| 04:42.37 | krishnan_p | meflin, thanks. I am enrolling myself as a mentor for the first time. Is there somewhere I can learn what it means to seek a role in a GSOC organisation and what that role entails? Pardon me, if I haven't done my homework. |
| 04:43.09 | meflin | as a mentor you need to make a connection as a mentor |
| 04:43.27 | meflin | then your admin must ack |
| 04:43.59 | meflin | why are you being a mentor at this late date without knowing what it entails? |
| 04:44.48 | krishnan_p | meflin, I am aware of what it entails to be a mentor, specifically with respect to the proposal I am to mentor. I wanted to know what 'role' in the organisation meant. |
| 04:45.30 | krishnan_p | meflin, I am unfamiliar with the GSOC vocabulary. I am late to the party due to personal reasons. |
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| 04:46.01 | meflin | "what role" is up to your org" mentors are mentors .. I'm more confused then ever |
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| 04:48.55 | krishnan_p | OK. I was confused to see that the form gave me the choice to seek a role with the organisation. I was under the impression that my role would be that of a mentor. I was wondering what it would mean to be a mentor, connected to an organisation, without a role. |
| 04:49.22 | meflin | there are many roles |
| 04:49.33 | meflin | make sure you ask for the right one |
| 04:51.16 | krishnan_p | meflin, OK. I did mention that I wanted to connect with the organisation with the intent of mentoring, in the optional message. Is there anything else that needs to be done? |
| 04:51.42 | meflin | connections have types |
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| 04:54.29 | meflin | you admin need to accept if you connect as a mentor |
| 04:54.57 | krishnan_p | meflin, OK. I shall wait for the admin to get back on my connection request. |
| 04:56.06 | krishnan_p | meflin, thanks for the help. |
| 04:59.08 | umccullough | are there many roles? I thought it was basically just mentor or admin |
| 04:59.24 | meflin | and none |
| 04:59.28 | umccullough | well, yeah |
| 04:59.40 | meflin | why is there a none? |
| 04:59.58 | umccullough | for students who request roles ;) |
| 05:00.36 | meflin | that is not valid :P |
| 05:00.49 | umccullough | for random trolls that request roles? |
| 05:01.15 | umccullough | has assigned "none" to quite a few students |
| 05:01.24 | umccullough | silly students, always doing the wrong thing |
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| 05:02.28 | umccullough | our org had 4 "no role" connections |
| 05:02.39 | umccullough | i thought it was more |
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| 05:02.50 | umccullough | oh, 5 |
| 05:03.05 | meflin | lucky it is so small :P |
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| 05:03.41 | umccullough | i'm guessing some of them requested removal after they made the mistake |
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| 06:54.14 | akhiesh | any body to answer |
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| 07:05.46 | calin | !next |
| 07:05.49 | gsocbot | calin: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 07:25.04 | gsocbot | Dragooon: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 07:25.14 | Dragooon | :( |
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| 07:34.24 | fewcha | !utc |
| 07:34.25 | gsocbot | fewcha: "utc" is When developing open source, you'll work with people in time zones all over the world. Check http://goo.gl/wUKjq for current times, including UTC. |
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| 07:47.56 | VarunAgw | This bot really knows a lot of things, I guess more than an average GSoC participant |
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| 07:50.59 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 08:08.31 | VarunAgw | !odds |
| 08:08.31 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 08:08.45 | VarunAgw | !evens |
| 08:08.55 | Niharika | !factoids |
| 08:08.55 | gsocbot | Niharika: "factoids" is To see all factoids, /msg gsocbot factoids search #gsoc * |
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| 08:09.53 | VarunAgw | I can't wait to see the result |
| 08:10.38 | Niharika | Me neither. |
| 08:10.53 | gevaerts | You don't have to! You can always withdraw, and things will be clear *immediately*! |
| 08:11.21 | VarunAgw | gevaerts, Stop giving such great ideas ;) |
| 08:11.46 | skunkos | gevaerts: this looks like an amazing idea for gsoc 2015 |
| 08:11.55 | Niharika | Wikileaks didn´t leak the results either. |
| 08:12.01 | VarunAgw | for #mdo |
| 08:12.23 | gevaerts | Niharika: what results? |
| 08:12.37 | gevaerts | If you mean the gsoc 2014 selections, they *can't* be leaked |
| 08:13.12 | VarunAgw | gevaerts, why? |
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| 08:13.21 | gevaerts | Because they don't exist |
| 08:13.39 | VarunAgw | Aren't selected yet? |
| 08:13.47 | VarunAgw | *Aren't student selected yet? |
| 08:13.51 | gevaerts | No |
| 08:14.25 | gevaerts | Do you really think these few weeks between closing of applications and announcement of selections are there just to annoy you? |
| 08:15.05 | olly_ | yes |
| 08:15.12 | Manishearth | of course they are :p |
| 08:15.13 | VarunAgw | I think yes |
| 08:16.26 | VarunAgw | If I be a mentor/administrator I will declared the result the same day on which student application period was ended |
| 08:17.00 | perepujal1 | IF you applied to more than one org and IF 2 or more orgs wants you and IF they don't get in accord before the deduplication meeting, then you are lucky and will see your name discussed there |
| 08:17.27 | VarunAgw | on date: 18 venue IRC ;) |
| 08:17.40 | perepujal1 | If not, you will have to wait |
| 08:18.32 | gevaerts | perepujal1: fact is, that meeting is entirely unnecessary, because selections have been finalised *weeks* ago. Just ask VarunAgw! |
| 08:18.44 | VarunAgw | lol |
| 08:18.53 | olly_ | even if you're discussed there, the results still aren't final until they are actually announced |
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| 08:20.12 | fewcha | !patience | Niharika |
| 08:20.12 | gsocbot | Niharika: "patience" is very important for GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
| 08:20.24 | Niharika | Sigh. |
| 08:20.30 | fewcha | :D :P |
| 08:20.38 | VarunAgw | gevaerts, Don't take my words personally. I am just in bad mood these days. |
| 08:21.10 | gevaerts | VarunAgw: that means you get to be pedantic and annoying, not unreasonable! |
| 08:21.42 | fewcha | !tea | VarunAgw |
| 08:21.42 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 08:22.44 | PulkoMandy | even if we all have a mostly complete idea of what the final selection will be, there may be small changes, and even if this only affects a dozen students for the whole of gsoc, it would be very bad to give "almost final" results and then have these few students learn there is a last minute change |
| 08:23.11 | PulkoMandy | and with the de-dup meeting, fixing one duplicate may make an org pick another student, which may trigger another duplicate with another org, and so on |
| 08:23.21 | PulkoMandy | so nothing is really set until this is all solved |
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| 08:48.20 | sidthekid | i thought the butterflies-in-stomach would start around 19th. They've already started :( |
| 08:49.00 | psychon | wonders how sense it would make to start early on the project... |
| 08:50.22 | Manishearth | olly_: Btw, how rigorously do you have to stick to your timeline? |
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| 08:50.57 | Manishearth | For mine, things have changed a bit -- (a) some things are not as feasible as they seemed, (b) some things got done already |
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| 08:54.54 | skunkos | Manishearth: I believe that you have to negotiate timeline and its changes with your mentor(s). |
| 08:55.30 | Manishearth | skunkos: ah, I see |
| 08:55.33 | Manishearth | so tha tis flexible |
| 08:55.37 | Manishearth | then it's fine :) |
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| 09:00.12 | olly_ | Manishearth: why's that question directed at me? |
| 09:00.21 | olly_ | talk to your org, not me |
| 09:01.02 | olly_ | it's they who decide if you pass or fail |
| 09:01.55 | tachyons | !anyone |
| 09:01.55 | gsocbot | tachyons: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 09:07.59 | Manishearth | olly_: No, you seem to know about these things in general :) |
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| 09:08.13 | Manishearth | Just wanted to know if Google verifies against the project timeline |
| 09:09.09 | olly_ | no, but the org are very likely to |
| 09:09.22 | Manishearth | yeah, that I know, and I don't mind that |
| 09:11.27 | Manishearth | Huh, someone remembered my username from StackExchange :p |
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| 09:13.46 | gevaerts | Manishearth: in general, some changes in the timeline are expected. I'd personally be very suspicious if your timeline turned out to be exactly right :) |
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| 09:14.58 | PulkoMandy | psychon: early start is a good idea |
| 09:16.14 | PulkoMandy | if you don't get into GSoC, you won't get the money, but you could still get most of the experience contributing to open source anyway. And working for free is also part of that, so show your org you're in for the opensource fun, and not just for the money |
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| 09:18.15 | PulkoMandy | Manishearth: changing the timeline is ok (even completely changing the project scope sometimes), just talk with your mentor as soon as you see a problem (be it real life interference, or unexpected difficulty with the code), and discuss what to do with the mentor |
| 09:19.16 | Manishearth | gevaerts: ah, thanks :) |
| 09:19.40 | gevaerts | Manishearth: olly_'s advice to talk to your org still applies though :) |
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| 09:24.19 | Manishearth | gevaerts: Yep. I plan on doing that later today, when the mentor is back |
| 09:24.32 | Manishearth | I don't think it will be an issue on the mentor side |
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| 09:24.39 | gevaerts | I'd hope not! |
| 09:24.56 | gevaerts | I mean, I'm assuming your mentor knows about software development :) |
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| 14:28.13 | apsdehal | Hello, Can I tell organizations about my preferences of proposals? |
| 14:29.16 | gevaerts | You can |
| 14:29.44 | Niharika | But they are not bound to follow your preference, I suppose. |
| 14:29.55 | apsdehal | So its upon me to select which proposal I want to do? |
| 14:29.58 | gevaerts | No |
| 14:30.04 | gevaerts | You can tell them |
| 14:30.11 | terri | No, but we’re happy to know so it can be part of our decision making process. |
| 14:30.12 | gevaerts | They don't have to take that into account |
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| 14:30.37 | gevaerts | They're still allowed to arm-wrestle or toss coins to decide if they want to |
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| 14:31.10 | apsdehal | I think commenting on proposal on melange would be enough to notify them. |
| 14:32.04 | terri | Usually that’s enough. you might want to send an email to the org admin as well if you want to be really sure |
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| 14:32.26 | apsdehal | Thanks all. |
| 14:32.41 | FlowRiser | !next |
| 14:32.42 | terri | (I know as an org admin, I get around one thousand comment notification emails, so it’s easy to miss one.) |
| 14:32.47 | gsocbot | FlowRiser: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 14:33.05 | terri | (slight exaggeration, but it’s probably a few hundred.) |
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| 14:33.42 | Sebastian_ | a few hundred gsoc-related mails as an org admin sounds about right, definitely |
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| 14:34.47 | terri | I’m just talking about the comment notification ones! Ther’es probably another hundred that don’t go through melange, in my case |
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| 14:34.52 | terri | python’s pretty big, though. |
| 14:35.38 | Sebastian_ | I'm glad Tor isn't so big :) |
| 14:35.40 | apsdehal | Also is there a place where I can know how many slots are allotted to each of selected mentoring organizations. |
| 14:36.01 | Sebastian_ | apsdehal: not until participation is announced |
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| 14:36.45 | gevaerts | !allocations | apsdehal |
| 14:36.47 | gsocbot | apsdehal: "allocations" is The number of slots allocated to each organization isn't public. The organization may however at their discretion reveal this to you if you ask nicely. |
| 14:37.21 | apsdehal | ok, thanks everyone. |
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| 14:44.48 | yns | !logs |
| 14:44.48 | gsocbot | yns: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 15:13.43 | viod | where can I learn more about the piece of code students must submit to Google at the end of summer? |
| 15:15.24 | FlowRiser | viod, what do you mean? |
| 15:16.04 | Sebastian_ | viod: you submit all the code you have written for the project |
| 15:16.22 | viod | ah, all of it! I thought it was only a relevant sample |
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| 15:18.50 | viod | thanks :) |
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| 15:26.09 | panzone | Sebastian: i know that, after all the project, we must submit a significant piece of code from our project for pubblication and pubblicity, no ? |
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| 15:27.53 | gevaerts | It has nothing to do with publicity |
| 15:29.36 | fewcha | gevaerts: so, we create a new branch (for GSoC), do our work in that branch, submit the code in that branch during the final evaluations, and if it is passed, we merge it with master? |
| 15:30.07 | gevaerts | fewcha: maybe. There's no fixed rule |
| 15:30.21 | fewcha | gevaerts: okay, thanks |
| 15:30.23 | terri | fewcha: it depends on the org, but many of us would like to have merges much sooner than that! |
| 15:30.33 | fewcha | terri: oh, okay |
| 15:30.35 | gevaerts | Maybe you work in your own branch, maybe you work on the main development branch, maybe you send patches to a mailing list, ... |
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| 15:30.51 | fewcha | okay |
| 15:30.58 | Manishearth | fewcha: I'm most probably going to be PRing at leastevery week, if not sooner (mentioned this in the proposal itself) |
| 15:31.42 | gevaerts | For the code submission to google at the end, different things have been done, depending on various things: the code (if it's standalone enough), a set of patches extracted from git, ... |
| 15:31.42 | Manishearth | I think we have to submit a link to all our work to Google, but this can be done by stacking up the PRs I guess |
| 15:32.32 | gevaerts | Not just a link |
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| 15:32.57 | PulkoMandy | IIRC you have to upload a copy of your code to google for archiving |
| 15:33.01 | gevaerts | But yes, if you use git, you can extract your contributions quite easily |
| 15:33.27 | fewcha | gevaerts: what about sending one patch, which will be, the difference between the last commit and the first commit |
| 15:33.35 | PulkoMandy | there were scripts to extract patches from all commits by you from an svn repo as well |
| 15:33.52 | PulkoMandy | it doesn't really have to make sense or be standalone, just show what code you wrote |
| 15:34.01 | fewcha | oh, cool |
| 15:34.02 | gevaerts | fewcha: that can work too, *if* you can make such a patch cleanly. If you merge regularly, that's going to be tricky |
| 15:34.06 | PulkoMandy | it's for legal purposes, and it's very likely no one will ever try to use that code anyway |
| 15:34.16 | Manishearth | One issue is that I might be contributing to non-gsoc issues in that timeframe as well, though |
| 15:34.22 | fewcha | gevaerts: hmm, then I will work on the master only |
| 15:34.33 | gevaerts | fewcha: discuss this with the organisation :) |
| 15:34.35 | Manishearth | might have to do some careful filtering of PRs |
| 15:34.39 | PulkoMandy | basically, don't worry too much about the code sample |
| 15:34.43 | Manishearth | but its an org issue |
| 15:34.55 | PulkoMandy | work however your orgs prefers you to work |
| 15:34.59 | fewcha | gevaerts: ya, I will definitely discuss this with my mentor. Thanks :) |
| 15:35.11 | PulkoMandy | and then you can always figure out a way to extract a relevant chunk of the patches |
| 15:35.27 | PulkoMandy | there's no problem if it includes some unrelated code, or misses some pieces |
| 15:35.33 | gevaerts | I suspect it's not *just* for legal purposes, but also in case of re-examining supposedly unfair evaluations, or checking if no mentor-student collusion was going on (i.e. happy evaluations but no actual work), ... |
| 15:36.06 | gevaerts | So in general, if you're playing the game fairly, it's an easy formality :) |
| 15:36.12 | Manishearth | gevaerts: what legal issues, exactly? |
| 15:36.15 | terri | AFAIK, the code sample can be any piece and doesn’t have to be all pieces or only gsoc pieces, just something to show that you did in fact do work. :) |
| 15:36.22 | gevaerts | Manishearth: I have *no* idea |
| 15:36.26 | gevaerts | We're all speculating :) |
| 15:36.33 | Manishearth | the code is released under the open license that the org uses, not one chosen by google |
| 15:36.36 | Manishearth | ah |
| 15:36.36 | Manishearth | heh |
| 15:36.50 | PulkoMandy | yes, Google doesn't own it |
| 15:37.08 | PulkoMandy | their legal department requires a copy of it, that's all we know |
| 15:37.35 | PulkoMandy | and yes, it could also be useful in case of conflict with the org, maybe |
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| 16:46.06 | downey | Org admins: How can an org admin see the list of currently-to-be-accepted students in Melange? I asked in #melange but no response yet. |
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| 16:50.21 | meflin | downey: proposals ... look at status |
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| 16:55.00 | downey | meflin: You mean in the data grid? If so, I see only "pending" or "ignored" there ... no indication of Accepted (as IIRC in years past was there) |
| 16:55.23 | meflin | pending are the one you have accepted |
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| 16:55.42 | downey | meflin: nope, pending for me is everything that's not ignored. |
| 16:55.54 | meflin | huh let me double check that |
| 16:56.08 | downey | :-/ |
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| 16:56.18 | meflin | your right |
| 16:57.10 | meflin | thats a major problem |
| 16:58.36 | meflin | the only way to tell is to look at the app itself it seems .... |
| 16:58.57 | meflin | and with 139 apps that doesn't work |
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| 17:00.32 | meflin | I some someone here or on the email list saying they ignored everything they didn't accept now I understand why |
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| 17:09.21 | terri | yeah, it used to say “pending acceptance” but this year it seems you have to click through to each one to check. |
| 17:09.46 | terri | I hope someone’s written a bug report for melange, but I havne’t checked. |
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| 17:09.54 | terri | too busy hacking at the pycon sprints this week t |
| 17:10.03 | terri | s//t$/ |
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| 18:10.13 | luckyBoy | Hi, Anybody |
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| 18:10.23 | luckyBoy | I really need a serious advice |
| 18:10.37 | meflin | dont ask to ask just ask |
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| 18:11.44 | luckyBoy | I got message today that I am in conflict with other organisation, means I am selected for two projects |
| 18:11.45 | SHMD | go ahead |
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| 18:11.58 | meflin | it happens |
| 18:11.58 | luckyBoy | Now, they asked to choose one of them |
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| 18:12.14 | meflin | so choose one |
| 18:12.15 | luckyBoy | I am really confused and I need help in deciding |
| 18:12.20 | SHMD | Yeah that's normal when you submit more than one proposal |
| 18:12.32 | luckyBoy | Its not normal |
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| 18:12.42 | luckyBoy | Its my first time |
| 18:12.42 | umccullough | usually the orgs choose for you |
| 18:12.45 | SHMD | Select the one that's priority is high to you |
| 18:12.50 | umccullough | you're in a lucky position to choose for yourself :) |
| 18:12.57 | luckyBoy | yes umccullough |
| 18:13.00 | meflin | or flip a coin |
| 18:13.06 | SHMD | do Toss :p |
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| 18:13.25 | umccullough | you must have known this problem might arise, when you submitted multiple proposals ;) |
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| 18:13.44 | two_minutes_ | !logs |
| 18:13.44 | gsocbot | two_minutes_: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:13.51 | viod | !toss |
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| 18:14.35 | luckyBoy | Now, I have to choose between two projects one is harder, high chance of failure, but challenging and lot to learn while other is relatively easier, lengthier with good chance of success. I like to work on project with more to learn but I don't want to take risk of failure |
| 18:15.07 | umccullough | "failure" is a bit subjective in gsoc |
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| 18:15.13 | umccullough | i've seen students pass without completing their project |
| 18:15.53 | ashmew2 | Just do your best. If your org admins still fail you after you've worked as hard as you could, it's mostly unfair. |
| 18:15.53 | umccullough | but it is up to you - sometimes completing a project is much more rewarding than learning something more complicated |
| 18:15.55 | s0014 | #civicrm |
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| 18:16.04 | luckyBoy | As it is my first and last GSoC as I am dropping out of college soon and a certificate from google matters a lot as it will be the only proof of my abilities in absense of a college degree. Which one should I choose now? |
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| 18:16.18 | ashmew2 | But you'll have the contentment of giving it your best shot. |
| 18:16.34 | umccullough | luckyBoy, i think that we can't really help you - you'll probably need to decide on your own |
| 18:16.44 | umccullough | take the blue pill! |
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| 18:17.04 | gevaerts | luckyBoy: you're always free to tell them that you find it hard to decide and suggest that it's their responsibility anyway :) |
| 18:17.15 | luckyBoy | I tried submitting bugs for harder project earlier but was able to submit only very trivial bugs |
| 18:17.41 | umccullough | it sounds like you want to take the easier project |
| 18:17.49 | umccullough | and that's fine, do what you want :) |
| 18:18.06 | luckyBoy | umccullough: No, I want to take the harder project. But I don't want to fail it |
| 18:18.16 | umccullough | heh |
| 18:18.17 | umccullough | then don't :D |
| 18:18.25 | umccullough | don't fail, i mean |
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| 18:18.49 | luckyBoy | So, what you guys will choose if you got into same situation? |
| 18:18.58 | umccullough | most "failures" i've seen are usually due to students who give up, or lack motivation, etc |
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| 18:19.25 | umccullough | or, students that don't put the necessary effort into their project |
| 18:19.47 | joof | you wont fail it |
| 18:19.49 | luckyBoy | or lack of skills by student? does it happened? |
| 18:19.55 | luckyBoy | umccullough: ^^ |
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| 18:20.43 | joof | do you have the required skills? If not; time to start learning :P |
| 18:20.45 | umccullough | lacking skills is an interesting problem - in this case, the org seems to believe you have the skills to do it, otherwise they wouldn't have put you into their "acceptance" list |
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| 18:21.19 | umccullough | maybe you are very good at writing a convincing proposal ;) |
| 18:21.34 | umccullough | or, maybe the org was impressed with your ability to fix even trivial bugs, i don't know |
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| 18:21.46 | umccullough | perhaps you should discuss it more with that particular org before making a decision |
| 18:22.13 | joof | !next |
| 18:22.14 | gsocbot | joof: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 18:22.51 | luckyBoy | umccullough: I am not sure but I guess I am the only student who applied on that particaular project. And I was in good contact with mentor so he is pretty sure about my abilities. I have also discussed with mentors but no result |
| 18:22.53 | joof | do the more interesting project |
| 18:23.10 | joof | it will hold your attention more |
| 18:23.17 | umccullough | if he is pretty sure about your abilities, i think you're safe |
| 18:23.57 | PulkoMandy | luckyBoy: use your mentor. as a mentor, I expect students to not know about the project, and I'm here to help them |
| 18:24.29 | PulkoMandy | when I was a student, my mentor wrote some important parts of the code I couldn't figure out, and I wasn't failed because of that |
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| 18:25.06 | luckyBoy | PulkoMandy: Mentors of each of the project are really awesome |
| 18:25.19 | umccullough | do the one you think will be the most valuable to you |
| 18:25.31 | luckyBoy | Now, I have asked the organisation to give me some time to decide. |
| 18:25.45 | umccullough | i've never seen a student failed because the project was hard, only because they didn't apply themselves or put the effort into it that they should have |
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| 18:26.38 | umccullough | out of curiosity, is this the org's first GSoC as well? |
| 18:26.50 | luckyBoy | No, both are old |
| 18:26.54 | umccullough | ok |
| 18:27.15 | umccullough | i suspect you are fine no matter which you choose, as long as you actually try |
| 18:27.46 | luckyBoy | btw, Is it against policy to announce you are chosen in such cases before 21st? |
| 18:27.56 | umccullough | there's still no guarantee |
| 18:28.07 | umccullough | google makes the final decisions |
| 18:28.29 | luckyBoy | wait..it is not guaranteed? That means I can still be rejected? why? |
| 18:28.39 | umccullough | i can't answer that, unfortunately |
| 18:28.45 | umccullough | i do not know |
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| 18:30.03 | luckyBoy | Well, thanks everyone for help esp. umccullough :) |
| 18:30.16 | umccullough | yw, good luck |
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| 18:39.21 | bkuhn | How do you mark a proposal as definitely rejected in Melange? |
| 18:40.17 | bkuhn | There is an "Accept Proposal" box, which is marked as "No" by default, but then on the Proposals list screen, I see states of "Status: Rejected". |
| 18:40.38 | bkuhn | I want to put it into "Rejected" state... right now, the ones with "Accept Proposal" as "NO" are listed as "Reviewable" |
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| 18:48.40 | umccullough | bkuhn, Ignore = Yes? |
| 18:48.59 | bkuhn | umccullough: well, I used Ignore only for those that were truly not valid (spam ones). |
| 18:49.01 | umccullough | i think it will still show as reviewable |
| 18:49.04 | bkuhn | Right |
| 18:49.15 | bkuhn | (oh, actually Ignore won't show as reviewable) |
| 18:49.25 | bkuhn | but we didn't ignore these, they were "pretty good" but we're not accepting them. |
| 18:49.45 | umccullough | our org set the scores very low for those we were rejecting |
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| 18:50.14 | umccullough | like 1 |
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| 18:51.52 | umccullough | therefore, anything with an average score < 2 is pretty much junk |
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| 18:58.50 | VarunAgw | Hi, anybody here knows E-Mail ID of carols? |
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| 19:00.48 | meflin | carols@google.com |
| 19:00.50 | umccullough | probably carols@google.com ? :) |
| 19:01.14 | VarunAgw | I'll try. Hope it don't bounce back |
| 19:01.50 | Dragooon | Definitely that |
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| 19:05.02 | SHMD | Yes it's carols@google.com |
| 19:05.20 | VarunAgw | ok thanks everyone |
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| 19:12.44 | downey | bkuhn: I don't suppose you've figured out a way to see in the list which proposals are marked as "accept" yet ... ? |
| 19:13.44 | fewcha | !logs | Aj91 |
| 19:13.44 | gsocbot | Aj91: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:28.53 | rvraghav93_ | !next |
| 19:28.54 | gsocbot | rvraghav93_: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:29.54 | meflin | patience is a virtue |
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| 19:44.13 | VarunAgw | Is certificate awarded at the end or beginning of project? |
| 19:44.37 | meflin | there is a certificate? |
| 19:45.06 | VarunAgw | I think there is but I am not 100% sure |
| 19:45.07 | sukhe | at the end, after you complete everything and pass the final evaluation |
| 19:45.09 | SHMD | At the end |
| 19:46.27 | RichieB | All successful student participants will receive a certificate of completion at the close of the program. |
| 19:47.02 | meflin | nice .. I never noticed that |
| 19:47.14 | VarunAgw | Ah! I wish it will be at beginning |
| 19:47.37 | gevaerts | VarunAgw: you want a certificate saying you did something before you even started? |
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| 19:47.41 | RichieB | This is a quote from the GSOC's faq , other questions , no 7. |
| 19:47.46 | VarunAgw | Atleast you will have something show if you failed the final evaluation |
| 19:48.04 | meflin | if you fail you failed |
| 19:48.11 | VarunAgw | gevaerts, No, I don't want that certificate |
| 19:48.28 | VarunAgw | yes |
| 19:50.59 | RichieB | Apparently some people will not receive a t-shirt in certain countries . |
| 19:51.18 | VarunAgw | yes, their bad luck |
| 19:51.33 | RichieB | I guess their certificate will be in an electronic form . I have no idea . |
| 19:51.55 | gevaerts | Paperwork is a lot easier than packages |
| 19:52.00 | sunu | Certificates are documents |
| 19:52.03 | PulkoMandy | I think shipping a certificate (just a paper letter) is easier than shipping the full package |
| 19:52.05 | sunu | tshirts are not. |
| 19:52.39 | gevaerts | There are two issues as I understand it: legislation against importing textiles, and corrupt postal services |
| 19:53.00 | RichieB | Ok . You guys know better than me :) |
| 19:53.52 | VarunAgw | Although I don't know what it exactly mean, but I guess read somewhere there are customs problem when shipping products like T-Shirt |
| 19:53.59 | sunu | gevaerts: I would rather say corrupt customs official since the package is fedexed. |
| 19:54.11 | gevaerts | sunu: yes, or that |
| 19:54.26 | gevaerts | Anyway, serious repeated problems getting the packages there |
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| 19:56.03 | VarunAgw | gevaerts, Which country? |
| 19:56.12 | gevaerts | VarunAgw: the faq lists them |
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| 19:57.09 | VarunAgw | gevaerts, Sorry! I mis-readed you last post as "serious repeated problems getting the packages *here*" |
| 19:57.28 | gevaerts | VarunAgw: ah, no. I have all tshirts I deserved :) |
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| 19:58.27 | RichieB | Sad thing. Tshirt's symbolic value is a lot more than what it's worth. |
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| 20:02.17 | VarunAgw | Is GSoC certificate really holds a lot of value when it comes to getting a job? Are lot of peoples esp. in HR departments aware of what GSoC is? |
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| 20:02.45 | umccullough | more valuable than a certificate is a reference and proof that you contributed to a real project |
| 20:03.09 | VarunAgw | certificate proves it too |
| 20:03.15 | umccullough | eh |
| 20:03.22 | umccullough | it's just a piece of paper |
| 20:03.27 | derdon | and the T-Shirt proves it too ;) |
| 20:03.38 | umccullough | someone explaining what you are capable of directly to someone else is pretty important for getting a job |
| 20:03.38 | derdon | go to the job interview wearing the T-Shirt |
| 20:03.58 | umccullough | you wouldn't believe how often people ask me if i work for google when i'm wearing a shirt :P |
| 20:04.06 | VarunAgw | Degree is also just a piece of paper. But, *lot* of peoples care about it. P.S. I don't care about degree |
| 20:04.09 | umccullough | gets irritating actually |
| 20:04.27 | RichieB | Speaking of that , does anyone knows what happens to the code I submitted . |
| 20:04.36 | fewcha | I heard there is an offer for referral to Google itself, in case one is able to complete the project successfully |
| 20:04.50 | RichieB | Would my name appear in a comment in the source file or something like that ?? |
| 20:04.58 | umccullough | RichieB, well, the code should be also submitted to the org, and hopefully they will merge it |
| 20:05.19 | derdon | naming the authors is good practice |
| 20:05.26 | umccullough | RichieB, the org you work with determines how contributions work |
| 20:05.37 | umccullough | most orgs allow you to add your copyright to the header, as long as it's licensed per their requirements |
| 20:06.11 | RichieB | It is a good idea , from a maintainability point a view at least . |
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| 20:06.20 | umccullough | some orgs might require copyrihgt assignment |
| 20:06.25 | umccullough | but they will usually keep the author names |
| 20:06.59 | gevaerts | Basically, in open source, your name in the code or the code history is how you get paid |
| 20:07.08 | gevaerts | For you students, the $5000 is a bonus :) |
| 20:07.35 | umccullough | $5500 this year |
| 20:07.38 | RichieB | copyright assignment means that they can relicense the code as they wish right ? |
| 20:07.41 | VarunAgw | I will call mentor a bonus |
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| 20:08.24 | umccullough | RichieB, something like that - it also means that if the code is ever used in violation of the license, they don't need your permission to fight it legally |
| 20:09.03 | RichieB | Hmm. Cool let them fight for me :D . |
| 20:10.00 | RichieB | as long as I'm credited somewhere in the source code, I think that is better than any certificate. |
| 20:10.24 | RichieB | because any employer can look at it . |
| 20:11.12 | RichieB | This will be particularly useful when the job is closely related to the software in question. |
| 20:11.46 | umccullough | absolutely |
| 20:12.44 | umccullough | i've had several job interviews where the interviewer is even impressed that I participate in FOSS projects at all |
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| 20:13.34 | PulkoMandy | I get paid for working on it now :> |
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| 20:14.08 | umccullough | indeed :D |
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| 20:14.29 | umccullough | former gsoc student, now a gsoc mentor, and contracted by the org to continue working |
| 20:14.52 | umccullough | gsoc success story i think :) |
| 20:14.59 | PulkoMandy | :) |
| 20:15.18 | rvraghav93_ | meflin: ya! totaly accept it ! :) but so excited and restless ... I really wonder how 20th and 21st would be like for students like me :O |
| 20:15.24 | RichieB | haha I guess i depends on the organization . Do you think that maybe some organizations will frown upon it ? |
| 20:15.57 | PulkoMandy | RichieB: sounds unlikely. But I don't know all the orgs around |
| 20:15.57 | RichieB | I mean maybe some "commercial organizations" want you to write code for them full time . |
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| 20:16.04 | RichieB | all day , all night . |
| 20:16.27 | PulkoMandy | opensource doesn't need to be non-commercial |
| 20:16.28 | RichieB | And will not be happy if you contributed code to someone else . |
| 20:16.37 | PulkoMandy | there are orgs like Twitter in GSoC, I think? |
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| 20:17.16 | meflin | rvraghav93_: distract yourself with code! |
| 20:17.20 | PulkoMandy | RichieB: well, it depends, if you spend nights working on open source software, and sleep during your paid job, it will probably be a problem |
| 20:17.32 | umccullough | heh |
| 20:17.35 | PulkoMandy | but not because you contribute to open source software. only because you sleep :) |
| 20:17.46 | ahf | h |
| 20:17.54 | RichieB | Here are my thoughts : |
| 20:18.07 | RichieB | If someone is interested in a particular field . |
| 20:18.34 | RichieB | and submits code for an opensource organization . |
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| 20:19.14 | RichieB | and then applies for a job for a 'competitor' of that very organization . That is likely to happen because he is interested in this field . |
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| 20:19.31 | RichieB | What happens then ? |
| 20:19.37 | PulkoMandy | anyway, working for open source projects, GSoC or not, is a real work experience. You learnt to work in a team, communicate with others, document your code, and most open source projects have high quality standards and good practises. And if you can find a paid job in the same field, it's a good thing for you |
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| 20:19.46 | meflin | RichieB: life happens |
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| 20:20.01 | PulkoMandy | here at least, you don't sell your soul to your employer, and they don't control what you do on your free time |
| 20:20.01 | rvraghav93_ | meflin: ya without coding ill go mad :P |
| 20:20.04 | gevaerts | I'd expect such a person to read contracts carefully and not to sign things that cause problems without considering the consequences |
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| 20:20.19 | meflin | rvraghav93_: looking forward to the comits :D |
| 20:20.32 | PulkoMandy | there might be NDAs not allowing you to share info on your proprietary work to the open source project |
| 20:20.32 | PulkoMandy | but that's it |
| 20:20.48 | rvraghav93_ | wow ! do u follow our repo ?? :O |
| 20:21.04 | rvraghav93_ | meflin: ^ |
| 20:21.14 | meflin | rvraghav93_: yes but I'm following so many :) |
| 20:21.25 | RichieB | Thanks for your opinions guys . |
| 20:22.06 | rvraghav93_ | meflin: cool ! btw do we [#python-gsoc] got a log like #gsoc has ?? |
| 20:22.13 | meflin | no |
| 20:22.22 | rvraghav93_ | ok |
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| 20:40.18 | terri | meflin: we are back from tea hunting. We have something unusual for you to try. Will mail after I get back to the US. :) |
| 20:40.30 | meflin | nice |
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| 20:47.07 | carols | kblin: you around? |
| 20:47.59 | scorche|sh | terri: unusual? tea? - do tell! |
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| 21:02.44 | carols | !stats |
| 21:02.44 | gsocbot | carols: I have 3 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 21:02.55 | carols | !numapps |
| 21:02.56 | gsocbot | carols: "numapps" is In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 21:02.59 | carols | thanks gsocbot |
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| 21:04.59 | terri | scorche|sh: Apparently warthog9 has put the kibosh on explanations of the tea before it reaches meflin’s door. :) |
| 21:05.35 | warthog9 | we don't want word making it back to meflin about how awesome the tea is, build the anticipation |
| 21:05.38 | meflin | arguments are progressing |
| 21:06.02 | scorche|sh | =( |
| 21:06.14 | warthog9 | scorche: it's awesome tea |
| 21:06.19 | warthog9 | smells *AMAZING* |
| 21:06.24 | meflin | scorche|sh: a full report on its arrival |
| 21:06.34 | terri | We did get some popcorn tea too. I forget what it’s actually called, but that’s what I called it when I was a kid. |
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| 21:07.20 | terri | The nice lady at the tea shop just labelled it as “popcorn green tea” since I probably was going to call it that anyhow. ;) |
| 21:07.29 | terri | I think it’s some genmaicha blend |
| 21:07.31 | warthog9 | that lady was awesome |
| 21:07.36 | warthog9 | and over stuffed our bags |
| 21:07.47 | warthog9 | I think she was just excited to get to deal with customers |
| 21:07.48 | derdon | does it look like popcorn or smell like popcorn? |
| 21:07.51 | meflin | so you found captea north? |
| 21:07.57 | warthog9 | derdon: yes to both actually |
| 21:08.00 | warthog9 | meflin: kinda |
| 21:08.02 | derdon | nice |
| 21:08.20 | warthog9 | this place was rather specific, mostly East Asian teas |
| 21:08.40 | warthog9 | don't think there was anything from outside that region |
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| 21:14.50 | RichieB | !tea and cookies |
| 21:14.50 | gsocbot | RichieB: "tea and cookies" is om nom nom |
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| 21:56.23 | y_morin | Hello! I've now been added as an 'admin' for an organisation. How do I get to that organisation's page on the melange website? |
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| 21:57.12 | carols | y_morin: you’ll probably want to reach out to the melange developers. |
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| 21:58.18 | y_morin | carols: OK. |
| 21:58.29 | meflin | y_morin: or just go to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 21:59.08 | umccullough | check your dashboard |
| 21:59.23 | y_morin | meflin: There I already went: I found no pointer to an "organisation page" or some such. |
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| 21:59.50 | y_morin | umccullough: Yes, I can see my org in the dashboard, but that's only text, I can't "click" on anything. |
| 21:59.51 | meflin | my dashboard .. managed orgs |
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| 22:00.14 | olly_ | or the connections thing if you want to add/remove mentors |
| 22:00.22 | olly_ | or the proposals if you want to accept proposals |
| 22:00.34 | olly_ | there's no single "org page" for everything |
| 22:00.36 | umccullough | if you don't see "managed organizations" on your dashboard, it sounds like something was done wrong |
| 22:01.23 | y_morin | umccullough: All I can see is "Main dashboard" with "Connections". |
| 22:01.26 | umccullough | as for not being able to click stuff, #melange might be able to help |
| 22:01.44 | meflin | slides carols some white tip oolong |
| 22:01.46 | umccullough | yeah, sounds like that connection never got created by the other admin |
| 22:01.51 | carols | thanks meflin |
| 22:01.59 | umccullough | assuming you have an admin that assigned you to be an admin |
| 22:02.10 | carols | still thinks y_morin needs to speak to the melange developers |
| 22:02.19 | umccullough | or the existing org admin(s) |
| 22:02.48 | carols | indeed. |
| 22:02.58 | y_morin | carols: Yep, I was lkooking for the way to conenct to them, and umccullough just pointed me to #melange. :-) |
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| 22:03.06 | y_morin | umccullough: Thanks! |
| 22:03.19 | umccullough | good luck :) |
| 22:03.20 | y_morin | carols, olly_: thanks! |
| 22:03.27 | carols | yw |
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| 23:29.01 | downey | bkuhn / meflin : https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2177 |
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| 23:38.35 | olly_ | downey: great (I'm amazed nobody reported it already - i'd assumed someone must have...) |
| 23:38.44 | downey | olly_: same here, i can't take it anymore :D |
| 23:38.57 | downey | pulling my hair out trying to double-check |
| 23:39.15 | olly_ | it's ok if you have sufficiently few slots you can hold them all in your head |
| 23:39.30 | olly_ | it must be awful for the big umbrellas |
| 23:40.48 | olly_ | hmm - https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2176 suggests proposals were showing as "accepted" |
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| 23:41.00 | olly_ | that's not been my experience |
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| 23:44.59 | downey | i get the same thing with 1 mentor |
| 23:45.40 | meflin | olly_: yes yes it is awfull |
| 23:46.26 | olly_ | downey: yeah |
| 23:46.50 | olly_ | downey: and from last year, I don't think proposals go to accepted (or rejected) until the announcement date |
| 23:47.25 | downey | figures this is better for #melange |
| 23:47.31 | downey | in case anyone there is watching :) |
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