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| 07:10.48 | kblin | meh, you return a measly 500,000 lines of json data, and the browser can't properly display it in the time I need to grab a coffee |
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| 07:20.57 | bePolite | kblin: why would you need 500,000 lines of json data? |
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| 07:30.37 | stqism | bePolite: You don't have 500,000 recipes in json format lying on your desk? |
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| 07:32.52 | bePolite | stqism: I don't display it in the browser |
| 07:33.03 | stqism | I don't blame you |
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| 07:35.11 | bePolite | stqism: Do you? |
| 07:35.28 | bePolite | display 500, 000 in the browser? |
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| 07:36.41 | stqism | bePolite: Only 10813 lines :( |
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| 09:30.23 | mgax | hey, i'm trying to register as co-mentor for a project, how do i do that? |
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| 09:32.35 | olly | mgax: you can sign up as a mentor with the org, but I don't think you can actually be assigned as a co-mentor yet |
| 09:32.55 | mgax | olly, is co-mentor an informal thing? |
| 09:33.22 | olly | mgax: it exists in melange, but I think you can only get added after projects are accepted |
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| 09:34.04 | olly | it used to be just informal until 2012 or 2013 IIRC |
| 09:35.58 | mgax | hmm, the organization's admin should be able to add me, i can't add myself, right? |
| 09:36.57 | olly | mgax: you'll need an admin to do it |
| 09:37.05 | olly | but right now I don't think they can |
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| 09:37.18 | mgax | olly, thanks for the info! |
| 09:37.38 | olly | but you can sign up as a mentor for the org and review proposals |
| 09:37.47 | olly | just not actually get assigned as a co-mentor to one |
| 09:37.55 | mgax | ok |
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| 09:38.41 | olly | oh, actually, it seems you can |
| 09:38.41 | teepee_ | and express the wish to mentor a proposal |
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| 09:38.59 | olly | there's an "Add New" in the admin view |
| 09:39.09 | olly | under "Assign Mentor" |
| 09:39.35 | olly | mgax: so i think I was wrong above |
| 09:40.58 | mgax | olly, i'm asking the relevant administrator for the organization, i'll come back here if we get stuck |
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| 14:08.47 | paras | hello |
| 14:10.05 | paras | i want to know what to do now before the date of accepted students are announced to increase my chances of selection. I have already applied with some patches and a assignment to be done as asked by the mentor |
| 14:10.26 | paras | with proposal |
| 14:11.04 | gevaerts | paras: try to get involved in your organisation. That can mean helping out users in the support channels, or fixing more bugs, or testing stuff, or other things |
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| 14:11.40 | paras | the mailing list is completely idle before now before it was highly active |
| 14:12.25 | paras | i helped another applicant with his questions during the application time |
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| 14:12.56 | gevaerts | Right, that's the sort of thing I mean :) |
| 14:13.12 | gevaerts | Of course if nobody asks for help, you can't help them |
| 14:13.14 | darnir | paras: Most organizations are run on volunteer effort. Sometimes mailing lists have a long lull because everyone is busy with their RL jobs. |
| 14:13.59 | darnir | But, I'd say, most projects always have small feature requests and/or bugs lying around that developers are often too lazy to fix. You should take a shot at those |
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| 14:15.11 | paras | the one for which applied was for porting the code in some other language. So finding bugs may not be useful |
| 14:15.59 | gevaerts | Depends. Finding bugs helps you get to know the code |
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| 14:17.10 | paras | so what should i do when mailing lists are idle and code has to be ported |
| 14:17.28 | paras | there are no bugs in the project |
| 14:17.53 | paras | as mentioned on their site |
| 14:18.01 | gevaerts | Ah, ok. I was going to say... :) |
| 14:18.07 | gevaerts | is sure there are bugs |
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| 14:18.15 | sunu | *no bugs* |
| 14:18.25 | sunu | that's the dream. |
| 14:18.59 | rajul | sunu: way to go!! |
| 14:19.10 | darnir | thinks there always are bugs. You just haven't found them |
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| 14:19.48 | sunu | this ^^. |
| 14:21.20 | paras | ok what does a issue of status done means on gogle code project |
| 14:21.26 | paras | *google |
| 14:22.24 | rajul | sunu: sorry....wrong channel!! :( |
| 14:22.31 | rajul | sunu: wrong user!! :( |
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| 17:06.45 | sss | hello, can I know how many proposals did a particular org. get? |
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| 17:07.11 | meflin | if your org chooses to tell you they may |
| 17:10.03 | sss | meflin: I want to know, on what basis slots are alloted to orgs |
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| 17:10.52 | meflin | thats a different question and one I can't fully answer |
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| 17:11.47 | sss | may be, so that I just can get an idea |
| 17:12.17 | sss | some get like 20 slots but some like 1-2, so whats big difference b/w them |
| 17:12.31 | meflin | orgs ask for slots in a range .. they are reviewed by the gsoc staff and reasonable amount are given |
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| 17:13.20 | sss | so, may be depends on proposals they got |
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| 17:15.31 | meflin | well orgs ask for slots based on many things .. how many good proposals they get, how much mentoring manpower they have and probably a whole list of other things |
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| 17:16.06 | meflin | I expect that if you have a history of having 3 slots and you ask for 20 this year that would raise eyebrows as well ;) |
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| 17:17.08 | sss | meflin: thanks |
| 17:17.57 | meflin | many of the orgs that receive many slots are also umbrella's this mean that they have sub-org's |
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| 17:18.12 | meflin | think of it like a big collection of projects |
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| 17:18.31 | sss | ok, for example mozilla |
| 17:18.57 | meflin | no idea about them |
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| 17:19.15 | sss | ok, but thanks anyways |
| 17:19.25 | meflin | there are 189 orgs ... no way to know them all :) |
| 17:19.46 | meflin | you can always ask them ... they don't have to answer these types of questions |
| 17:20.44 | sss | sure, i'll |
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| 20:23.54 | pandrei | hey, is there no way to get justified formatting on melange proposals? |
| 20:24.06 | meflin | justified? |
| 20:25.12 | meflin | proposals are closed .. and the formatting is html |
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| 21:08.34 | nwinter | Regarding minimum/maximum slots requested for a new org: the guidelines say 1-2 slots to ensure good summer experiences, but we have 14 awesome proposals (out of 70), from students who have already gotten quite involved in the project, and 4 available mentors (of which 3 of us are doing this more than full-time). Is there any area where I can plead for more than the 1-2 slot new org guideline? |
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| 21:10.46 | gevaerts | nwinter: after the slot allocation, some orgs may (will, almost certainly) give some slots back. There'll be a waiting list (I don't remember how you get on it unfortunately), and the orgs giving slots back can suggest orgs they should go to |
| 21:11.26 | gevaerts | So make sure you are on the list (someone else can tell you more about that), and try to talk to experienced org admins (those are most likely to give slots back) so they suggest your name |
| 21:11.37 | meflin | nwinter: are you a new org? |
| 21:11.47 | nwinter | Yes, CodeCombat |
| 21:12.14 | meflin | new orgs are limited for reasons of lack of experience |
| 21:12.26 | meflin | mentoring is much harder then most people think |
| 21:13.08 | meflin | also I am not contradicting gevaerts's here |
| 21:13.30 | gevaerts | Whatever you do, you're not going to get a lot of extra slots :) |
| 21:13.51 | meflin | mentoring is hard |
| 21:14.21 | gevaerts | is fairly sure that orgs who suggest a new org for a spare slot will get stern looks if that new org then does a bad job :) |
| 21:14.25 | meflin | how many good students you have is less important then your mentor resources ( and there xp ) |
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| 21:14.56 | olly | if you've run a different gsoc org before, that's certainly worth pointing out if you ask for an extra slot |
| 21:15.25 | nwinter | I understand that mentoring is hard and takes time–we've essentially been doing it since GSoC started, since we told all the applicants that since it would be so competitive, they would need to demonstrate involvement with the project to have any hope at a slot |
| 21:15.53 | meflin | nwinter: gsoc started like a decade ago |
| 21:16.02 | stqism | like? meflin please |
| 21:16.12 | gevaerts | *exactly*! |
| 21:16.14 | nwinter | I mean, since CodeCombat was accepted into GSoC |
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| 21:16.26 | olly | i'm not sure there's anyone like meflin |
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| 21:16.48 | gevaerts | A good thing, probably! |
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| 21:17.17 | nwinter | I would love to be able to point out reasons for why we're asking for more than 2 slots, but is there an area in Melange to do so? |
| 21:18.46 | olly | nwinter: no |
| 21:19.04 | olly | nwinter: email carols after slot allocations if you didn't get all you wanted |
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| 21:19.29 | nwinter | Okay, thanks |
| 21:19.42 | olly | but be polite about it |
| 21:19.42 | meflin | hands gevaerts a spoon to use on me |
| 21:20.02 | gevaerts | declines the honour |
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| 21:20.45 | meflin | nwinter: so are you first year or not? |
| 21:21.34 | olly | presumably nwinter wouldn't be asking unless he/she was with a new org |
| 21:22.07 | nwinter | Yes, this is our first year. We are kind of a weird org in that we're extremely young (open sourced 3 months ago) but also growing really fast. |
| 21:22.26 | nwinter | Up to 125 contributors now |
| 21:24.13 | meflin | its a lot harder then you think :) also you need to prove yourself |
| 21:24.40 | meflin | take this year also as a time to throw extra mentors into the loop and train up |
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| 23:02.40 | catallman | asddwdaew: no they are not. |
| 23:03.14 | catallman | hi all. |
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| 23:08.38 | Ch3ck_ | hey catallman |
| 23:09.16 | catallman | hi |
| 23:11.15 | Ch3ck_ | you once said you don't like irc ;) but here you are |
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| 23:18.10 | catallman | Yeah well, sometimes you got to do what you got to… ;-) |
| 23:18.43 | catallman | Besides, I get to hang out with all you nice people, so what's not to like? |
| 23:21.31 | meflin | passes catallman a tea |
| 23:22.44 | downey | Tea? Did someone say tea? |
| 23:22.56 | downey | wakes from his slumber |
| 23:23.11 | meflin | passes downey a tea |
| 23:23.17 | downey | Thanks meflin |
| 23:23.26 | catallman | obviously we're not being served Chamomile… |
| 23:23.32 | catallman | ;-) |
| 23:23.45 | downey | Hehe |
| 23:23.48 | meflin | Asam foo organic bla bla estate |
| 23:23.50 | downey | Hi catallman :) |
| 23:23.57 | catallman | hi |
| 23:24.35 | catallman | Everybody (org admins) put in their slot requests? |
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| 23:25.57 | downey | A few more deliberations tomorrow yet. :-) |
| 23:26.06 | meflin | catallman: I have but carols tells me that 10+ orgs never do :(..... |
| 23:26.35 | catallman | Meflin: it's frustrating for all concerned, true :( |
| 23:27.02 | meflin | I suppose that should that should make me happy more slots for me? but it doesn't |
| 23:27.55 | olly | mostly feels sorry for students that applied to those orgs |
| 23:28.05 | catallman | what olly said! |
| 23:28.15 | downey | +1 |
| 23:28.21 | meflin | agree |
| 23:28.23 | downey | students: remind your orgs and org admins. :-) |
| 23:28.53 | olly | and to a lesser extent to rejected orgs |
| 23:28.54 | catallman | i'm stepping away to a meeting - back in a bit. |
| 23:29.12 | olly | downey: hmm, not sure I really want 30+ emails reminding me to do something I did a week ago |
| 23:30.35 | downey | olly: I suppose ... but another 30 emails wouldn't be too much % increase for me though. ;-) |
| 23:31.12 | meflin | downey: I might kill ppl over that |
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