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| 00:39.22 | austin_laptop | does anywho know how to get to the 'organization preferences page' as an admin? I want to add a custom column, but can't seem to find it.. |
| 00:40.39 | meflin | managed org's .. select org its on the top of the new sub-screen |
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| 00:40.42 | meflin | on the right |
| 00:42.04 | austin_laptop | ahh, managed org's, thanks |
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| 00:42.19 | austin_laptop | I've been trying my orgs, which is broken, apparently |
| 00:42.40 | meflin | deprecated |
| 00:43.03 | meflin | its not actually supposed to be showing from what I understand |
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| 00:43.27 | austin_laptop | ahh |
| 00:43.36 | austin_laptop | thanks for your help meflin |
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| 04:55.11 | rusnic | Does Melange get student to code got GSOC? |
| 04:56.12 | rusnic | If yes how many each year roughly? And how to connect with any of the mentors? IRC #melange seems to have no response |
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| 05:05.25 | olly | rusnic: you need to be more patient |
| 05:05.49 | olly | 10 minutes really isn't enough time to allow |
| 05:06.34 | olly | i don't know how many students they accepted last year, though you can see those who passed the midterm and the final evaluation |
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| 05:09.10 | rusnic | olly: i haven't got any reply from #melange for atleast 5-7 days. and no one seems to be interacting there. |
| 05:09.30 | olly | is in #melange, there's discussion in there every day |
| 05:09.38 | olly | perhaps you're trying at the wrong times of day |
| 05:11.35 | olly | it's a small development team, and mostly in the US or Europe I think |
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| 05:18.00 | thiago | rusnic: what kind of question did you ask? |
| 05:19.02 | rusnic | feedback for my proposal. |
| 05:19.11 | thiago | what organisation? |
| 05:19.18 | rusnic | Melange |
| 05:20.40 | rusnic | olly: oh. what would be the best time to connect with the melange team? |
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| 05:21.46 | thiago | they will give you feedback on the website now |
| 05:22.06 | thiago | also note that you may not get anything until April 21st |
| 05:24.44 | rusnic | thiago: oh. But then does that mean my chances are faint? |
| 05:25.10 | thiago | no |
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| 05:25.13 | thiago | why would it? |
| 05:26.01 | rusnic | thiago: i thought the more we interact and improvise on the proposal we have better chances. isnt it like that with melange? |
| 05:26.12 | thiago | yes |
| 05:26.18 | thiago | but now your proposal is made |
| 05:26.23 | thiago | you can't change it anymore |
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| 05:26.37 | thiago | you'll be judged by our proposal and how much you interacted up until last week |
| 05:26.50 | rusnic | ohh ohh |
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| 05:46.59 | olly | rusnic: I believe they got a lot of proposals, so they may not be able to usefully comment on them all |
| 05:48.18 | olly | FWIW, some orgs are happy for students to clarifying things in comments at this point (i know we are) |
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| 05:59.05 | schad | Hello |
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| 06:12.23 | rusnic | olly: okay! i am putting up a post in their mailing group and i'll wait for their reply :) |
| 06:12.25 | rusnic | Thanks |
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| 09:59.03 | kblin | the heck |
| 09:59.50 | wiruzx_ | Hi guys |
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| 10:01.13 | wiruzx_ | How do you think, if our org has about 14 sub-projects, is that possible, that one of them don't get any slot? |
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| 10:03.48 | stqism | wiruzx_: Pardon? |
| 10:04.15 | wiruzx_ | hi stqism |
| 10:04.24 | stqism | Hello |
| 10:04.29 | wiruzx_ | for my calculations, google allocate about 2000 slots |
| 10:04.34 | wiruzx_ | we have about 200 orgs |
| 10:04.39 | wiruzx_ | soo... |
| 10:05.08 | olly | wiruzx_: it's less than 2000 slots |
| 10:05.15 | stqism | We have 190, also |
| 10:05.24 | olly | that too is true |
| 10:05.43 | olly | wiruzx_: it's certainly possible you'd get less than 14 slots |
| 10:05.55 | olly | particularly if you asked for less than 14, as a trivial example |
| 10:06.35 | sam_coder | Olly: how many slots? |
| 10:06.39 | olly | wiruzx_: is it a new org? |
| 10:06.47 | olly | sam_coder: i don't remember exactly |
| 10:06.48 | wiruzx_ | i guess |
| 10:06.48 | stqism | sam_coder: That is done case by case. |
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| 10:07.19 | olly | I think it's was 10% more than any year before |
| 10:07.35 | stqism | olly: That's what the site said |
| 10:07.39 | Tahir | it will be less than 1500 |
| 10:07.57 | sam_coder | Is there any cutoffs for slots? |
| 10:07.58 | stqism | 10% of a bit under 1200 |
| 10:08.03 | stqism | sam_coder: In what sense? |
| 10:08.11 | olly | um, we've had more than 1200 before |
| 10:08.17 | olly | !numapps |
| 10:08.17 | gsocbot | olly: "numapps" is In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
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| 10:08.31 | olly | 1212 in 2012 |
| 10:08.39 | stqism | olly: "Last year" |
| 10:08.40 | sam_coder | Like a org must have a minimum of x slots! |
| 10:08.45 | stqism | sam_coder: 1 |
| 10:09.07 | stqism | 1 if you leave your asking for blank |
| 10:09.10 | olly | stqism: i thought what i read said "than ever before" |
| 10:09.30 | gevaerts | stqism: are you sure? |
| 10:09.32 | olly | sam_coder: if an org don't want a slot, they don't have to have one |
| 10:09.33 | stqism | olly: ;_; Now I have to check before sleeping |
| 10:09.47 | stqism | gevaerts: Read it somewhere |
| 10:09.49 | gevaerts | I wouldn't be so sure that if you fail to provide your numbers, you get nothing at all |
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| 10:10.02 | stqism | I said 1 :) |
| 10:10.11 | wiruzx_ | stqism: so it possible, that one of our ideas won't get any slot? |
| 10:10.13 | olly | gevaerts: carol's recent email said 1 if you didn't fill in the number |
| 10:10.20 | olly | but of course you can then return that |
| 10:10.20 | gevaerts | Ah, ok |
| 10:10.29 | gevaerts | She's getting soft :) |
| 10:10.37 | stqism | wiruzx_: We don't even have 14 sub projects |
| 10:10.47 | olly | wiruzx_: are you a new org in gsoc this year? |
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| 10:11.12 | wiruzx_ | olly: i'm a student |
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| 10:11.23 | olly | wiruzx_: ah |
| 10:11.31 | sam_coder | Is there any max cap for Google ? |
| 10:11.35 | olly | by "sub projects" do you mean "project ideas on the ideas list"? |
| 10:11.38 | olly | wiruzx_: ^ |
| 10:11.40 | wiruzx_ | yes! |
| 10:11.50 | olly | right, well the number of slots has no relation to that |
| 10:12.00 | sam_coder | Like it cannot allocate more than x projects in a year |
| 10:12.02 | olly | it could be higher or lower than that |
| 10:12.51 | wiruzx_ | stqism: sorry, i mean ideas, not sub-projects |
| 10:12.56 | olly | sam_coder: carols has a maximum number of slots available each year |
| 10:12.59 | sam_coder | So it entirely depends on gsoc org?! |
| 10:13.10 | stqism | wiruzx_: I see |
| 10:13.27 | olly | !slots |
| 10:13.27 | gsocbot | olly: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations |
| 10:13.40 | olly | every asking about slots should probably read all that first |
| 10:13.46 | olly | *everybody |
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| 10:14.08 | wiruzx_ | thanks |
| 10:14.28 | sam_coder | Ok olly: |
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| 11:14.33 | mlipchuk | hi all, I got a question regarding the GSOC |
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| 11:17.25 | mlipchuk | I'm a mentor in a project called add_potential_reviewers and I would like to know what is the procedure should I do for choosing a student to work with me? Who should I inform about it? |
| 11:18.37 | olly | mlipchuk: talk to your org admin |
| 11:18.46 | mlipchuk | ok, thanks |
| 11:18.53 | olly | different orgs handle this in different ways |
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| 11:19.36 | olly | but ultimately the org admin needs to assign a mentor to N proposals and mark them to be accepted |
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| 12:37.31 | kblin | olly: :D |
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| 12:45.03 | ariz | hello, i've applied to gsoc this year.whats the best thing I could do now to improve my chances this year.i am a complete newbie. |
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| 12:48.03 | wiruzx_ | ariz: you can start contributing your project. |
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| 12:49.34 | ariz | i feel that the project idea of mine was very vague..I don't know how to go about it.should I talk to my mentors? |
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| 12:50.01 | ariz | what is the best way to get in touch with them? through irc? |
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| 12:51.03 | mbr0wn | ariz: That depends on your organization |
| 12:51.31 | mbr0wn | How did you manage to submit a proposal without being in touch with them? |
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| 12:53.18 | ariz | I think I made a mistake there. I sent them personal emails, to which they didn't reply:D |
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| 12:53.49 | wiruzx_ | do you submit your proposal on melange? |
| 12:54.07 | ariz | yes, on melange. |
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| 12:54.55 | teepee_ | ariz: if they have an irc channel listed as contact, that's a good start I guess |
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| 12:56.43 | ariz | i submitted an application to the organisation melange. do you have any idea how I can contact them because nobody is much available on their irc channel /#melange |
| 12:57.41 | teepee_ | ariz: try another time then, depending on the timezone they might be asleep right now |
| 12:59.06 | ariz | okay..thank you.by the way do you have an idea about the org melange,whats the best way to contact the mentors? |
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| 13:00.01 | teepee_ | ariz: everything they listed in the contact box on their org page |
| 13:00.48 | ariz | okay.thank you:) |
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| 13:02.32 | _CalLightman_ | hi |
| 13:02.52 | _CalLightman_ | what should be the ideal interaction situation during this period? |
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| 13:09.24 | darnir | What do you mean by ideal? |
| 13:10.06 | darnir | I would expect the student to remain active on the communication channels. Fixing bugs is the best way to go about doing things. |
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| 13:10.39 | darnir | And the ideal student would start working on the proposed project. Isn't the whole point of GSoC about contributing to open source? |
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| 13:36.32 | kblin | hm, that's actually not too bad a proposal. unfortunately it's in no way related to my org... |
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| 13:57.35 | darnir | kblin: Random proposal? |
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| 14:02.29 | kblin | darnir: yup. reads nice, but apparently misunderstood what GSoC is about |
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| 14:04.52 | darnir | I don't know what it states about the comprehension level of the person. |
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| 15:06.53 | Elreek_ | Hello, I registered on GSOC, but did not make any proposal. Please tell: a possibly fix it during this month (before Proposal Matched Deadline)? |
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| 15:09.43 | darnir | Elreek_: None. Sorry, but the Student Application Deadline has passed and there are no extensions to it. |
| 15:10.00 | maxday | Elreek_ unfortunately, the student deadline was last Friday, you cannot submit any new proposals sorry |
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| 15:10.36 | darnir | You can however contribute and work with your favourite open source project outside of GSoC :D |
| 15:11.37 | Elreek_ | thanks. |
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| 15:16.44 | kblin | also, /querying the ops will likely make you get answers later :) |
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| 16:31.23 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:55.09 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Hi, can I ask a question about slot allocation requests that org admins have to make? Or you prefer such questions to be asked by e-mail? |
| 16:55.19 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: you can ask, sure |
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| 17:02.34 | kblin | carols: hey there, you were looking for me? |
| 17:02.40 | carols | kblin: nope… |
| 17:02.45 | carols | but thanks for checking |
| 17:03.14 | kblin | ok, confused by my awaylog then :) |
| 17:03.20 | carols | okay :-) |
| 17:03.40 | kblin | but that explains why I couldn't find any context in scrollback |
| 17:03.58 | carols | someone was asking about the bot |
| 17:04.01 | kblin | ah |
| 17:04.03 | carols | i might have mentioned you in that context? |
| 17:04.21 | kblin | possibly |
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| 17:04.51 | kblin | I only got some queries about questions people should have asked in here |
| 17:06.19 | kblin | but seeing how the subybot-gsoc repo is on the first page of google results for both my full name any "kblin", I guess if anybody wanted to find me, they would :) |
| 17:06.26 | tierra | for WP, we figured it would be a nice idea to have students post their proposals on a WP-powered blog, open to comments of course... ended up getting one proposal from a student that took another student's proposal from such a site, and submit it as their own :( |
| 17:06.43 | tierra | you'd think the student would realize that wouldn't work, heh |
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| 17:07.28 | kblin | so, did anyone else get that proposal for a diversity-encouragement mobile app? |
| 17:07.45 | kblin | I think that's by far the best spam proposal I've seen so far |
| 17:08.54 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Sorry, my boss at my RL job called me :-) So the question is - |
| 17:09.02 | carols | np |
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| 17:09.37 | stqism | tierra: Plagiarism exists because people don't care about cheating to get ahead. Cross the student off the list and move on :) |
| 17:09.56 | tierra | best spam proposal we got... "Race History Verifier" - "... For nitro violations, the positions on the track where the nitro boosts are available are known from the predefines track data, the amount of nitro gained..." |
| 17:10.08 | tierra | (for a cross-platform graphical user interface toolkit) |
| 17:10.33 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: I have already read the "Notes on Allocations [1] document". If we are first-time participant in GSoC, and we have more than 2 amazing proposals, should I still request 2 slots because this is what I am going to get, or should I request the number of slot I really need (even if it's more than 2)? |
| 17:10.58 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: you are welcome to request whatever you like. but most likely you will only get 2. |
| 17:11.16 | stqism | tierra: I take it you don't want to hear about this great business opportunity? email me back, somethingaboutviagra at yahoo |
| 17:11.27 | tierra | hehe |
| 17:11.28 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Ok, thank you, was good to know that. |
| 17:11.31 | carols | yw |
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| 17:12.10 | gevaerts | KolibriOS|yogev: I believe the correct approach is (or was, last year) to make friends with other admins, so if they give slots back they mention your org |
| 17:12.26 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Can I be your friend? :-P |
| 17:12.39 | gevaerts | You can, but that won't help you :) |
| 17:12.45 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Hehe |
| 17:12.54 | gevaerts | is merely a curious bystander this year |
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| 18:25.22 | nacin | If we have identified a plagiarized proposal, are there any particular actions we should take? For example, it's possible this student has submitted to other organizations (or will submit again). |
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| 18:26.54 | carols | nacin: you’re welcome to send a message to the mentors list if you like. otherwise, just ignore it |
| 18:27.11 | nacin | carols: works for us, thanks. |
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| 18:28.16 | darnir | carols: Just as a suggestion, could have a collective place where proposal spammers and plagiarizers can be named and shamed? |
| 18:28.21 | darnir | could we maybe* |
| 18:28.28 | carols | darnir: publicly? |
| 18:28.41 | darnir | Or only for mentors. |
| 18:28.51 | carols | darnir: sure, that place is the mentors list. |
| 18:28.53 | darnir | Publicly would be an excellent deterrent. |
| 18:29.13 | carols | no, you absolutely may not do it publicly |
| 18:29.18 | carols | under any circumstances |
| 18:29.29 | darnir | I know. That's why I don't ask for that. |
| 18:29.33 | carols | great |
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| 18:34.12 | gevaerts | wants coffee, so he offers cake and cookies to the channel |
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| 18:34.23 | carols | thanks gevaerts |
| 18:34.36 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 18:34.45 | gevaerts | Thanks! |
| 18:34.48 | gevaerts | drinks coffee |
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| 18:36.33 | carols | cheers |
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| 18:37.01 | gevaerts | Nothing like proper barter to get what you want :) |
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| 18:55.59 | rip | I am curious about how to find the proposal spammers and plagiarizers? |
| 18:56.35 | stqism | rip: Pardon? |
| 18:56.49 | rip | [02:28:15] <darnir> carols: Just as a suggestion, could have a collective place where proposal spammers and plagiarizers can be named and shamed? |
| 18:56.53 | VaticanCameos | Rabin Karp algorithm. |
| 18:57.01 | stqism | Oh |
| 18:57.11 | carols | we don’t have such a place... |
| 18:57.16 | carols | so i don’t know how you’d find it? |
| 18:57.26 | gevaerts | rip: asking questions should show if they understand what they wrote |
| 18:58.14 | rip | I mean how define "proposal spammers and plagiarizers"? |
| 18:58.39 | stqism | rip: People who steal others proposals |
| 18:58.42 | carols | that’s probably a question for darnir |
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| 19:00.40 | rip | The proposals are submitted into gsoc, how to steal it? |
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| 19:01.08 | gevaerts | Some organisations encourage or even require proposals to be developed on their wiki |
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| 19:01.17 | MisterA | couldn't they write up like a naive bayesian spam detector or something? |
| 19:01.22 | gevaerts | Or they want drafts on the mailing list |
| 19:01.59 | gevaerts | MisterA: this is really not very similar to email spam |
| 19:03.36 | MisterA | isn't the same principle behind it sufficient for filtering the spam proposals out? |
| 19:04.03 | MisterA | idk how melange handles proposals and whatnot, so it's just speculation on my part |
| 19:04.38 | gevaerts | I suspect not |
| 19:05.30 | gevaerts | The cases that were discussed today were entirely plausible proposals, *except* for one being plagiarised, and the other being totally off-topic for the organisation |
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| 19:10.43 | KolibriOS|yogev | All proposals we received were at least related to KolibriOS. But in one proposal, the student presented a book exercise as his own homework. |
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| 19:12.33 | teepee | we got one for a facebook mobile phone client; totally unrelated ;) |
| 19:12.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | teepee: What does your org do? :-) |
| 19:13.08 | teepee | CAD |
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| 19:13.28 | teepee | multiple CAD software projects with BRL-CAD as main org |
| 19:13.48 | KolibriOS|yogev | teepee: Heh. They wanted to use CAD tools to create the mobile client GUI probably? :-P |
| 19:14.16 | meflin | could be awesome ... mobile social networking cad design building |
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| 19:14.36 | teepee | nope. proposed IDEs are listed as Eclipse and XCode. |
| 19:14.37 | meflin | crowdesourced office buildings! |
| 19:14.50 | teepee | so some technical understanding is there at least :) |
| 19:16.02 | MisterA | buildings with an augmented reality facebook chat visible to those with their cad-chat goggles on |
| 19:16.35 | teepee | just don't give them ideas |
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| 19:17.34 | KolibriOS|yogev | I wonder if some unrelated proposals could be a misclick on an org name when selecting the org to apply. |
| 19:18.10 | teepee | not in that case. it's just one short paragraph of text not a proposal |
| 19:18.44 | teepee | so even if we would be org for writing mobile phone apps, that would still be not acceptable |
| 19:18.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | teepee: Hehe true |
| 19:19.06 | VarunAgw | someone is just trying his luck |
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| 19:21.20 | KolibriOS|yogev | Maybe he got inspired by this? https://plus.google.com/photos/113917767154712657257/albums/5754454694357561473 |
| 19:23.00 | teepee | :) |
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| 19:36.36 | teepee | hmm, minimum score for proposal is 1 |
| 19:36.51 | meflin | score is optional |
| 19:37.29 | teepee | would still be nice to filter out the stuff nobody else would need to look at :) |
| 19:37.42 | carols | teepee: sure, you can ignore proposals |
| 19:38.05 | olly | just be aware that the student can see when the proposal has been ignored |
| 19:38.23 | teepee | carols: yeah, I know, i just thought it would be nice to have 0 points to communicate to others no need to look |
| 19:38.27 | teepee | but it's not that important |
| 19:38.35 | olly | so don't use it as a general tool to mark those you won't accept |
| 19:38.39 | carols | teepee: if it is important, file a bug or a patch |
| 19:38.57 | olly | there's already a ticket asking to allow a score of 0 |
| 19:39.14 | olly | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2131 |
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| 19:39.23 | teepee | olly: how do you mean it's visible to see it's ignored? |
| 19:39.34 | teepee | like if it gets no rating at all? |
| 19:39.53 | olly | teepee: it is if you use the "ignore" button on the left |
| 19:40.01 | olly | at least according to the mouseover text |
| 19:40.09 | MisterA | can students see what their score is? |
| 19:40.16 | olly | i believe i also verified this with a helpful student a few years ago |
| 19:40.25 | olly | MisterA: no |
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| 19:40.31 | olly | the scores are just an internal ranking tool |
| 19:40.39 | olly | some orgs don't use them at all |
| 19:40.44 | MisterA | I see |
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| 19:41.11 | olly | and what actually matters if marking proposals as "accepted" and assigning a mentor |
| 19:41.24 | teepee | olly: where's that ignore button? that's only for org admins? |
| 19:41.25 | olly | you can't see that either |
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| 19:41.39 | olly | teepee: possibly - it's on the left with the other buttons for me |
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| 19:42.00 | olly | like the one to say you'd like to mentor |
| 19:42.07 | teepee | olly: yeah, then it's probably admin only. i have "with to mentor" and "editable post deadline" |
| 19:42.23 | olly | i think allowing any mentor to ignore might get messy |
| 19:42.37 | teepee | true, makes sense |
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| 21:09.46 | olly | teepee: I just happened to see "Actually this year is different and students do not know that a proposal is ignored (the help text should probably be updated)." from http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2131 |
| 21:10.28 | felipesfp | Can you guys access your dashboard? |
| 21:10.42 | teepee | olly: ahh, interesting. thanks |
| 21:11.02 | teepee | felipesfp: yup |
| 21:11.03 | olly | wonders at the "probably" in that quote |
| 21:12.01 | felipesfp | thanks, It's just me then lol |
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| 21:36.40 | tierra | is this FAQ out of date? |
| 21:36.42 | tierra | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#11._What_happens_if_two_students_are |
| 21:37.00 | tierra | I was pretty certain this is no longer allowed |
| 21:37.14 | olly | working as a team isn't |
| 21:37.24 | olly | two students working independently on the same "idea" is |
| 21:38.07 | olly | personally it seems too problematic to me unless they've taken it in different directions such that there's little overlap |
| 21:38.07 | tierra | so I guess as long as you're willing to give up a second slot for the same idea, it's possible |
| 21:38.56 | olly | and there was a brief discussion here about it a few weeks ago involving carols, so I'm pretty certain that's still the case |
| 21:39.01 | carols | tierra: no, it’s not our of date |
| 21:39.04 | carols | it’s completely accurate |
| 21:39.34 | tierra | ok, thanks for the clarification |
| 21:39.38 | carols | cheers |
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| 22:00.34 | carols | serves some more tea and coffe |
| 22:00.37 | carols | *coffee |
| 22:00.48 | KolibriOS|yogev | Proof it's not a macro :-) |
| 22:01.01 | carols | :-) |
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| 22:14.12 | Manishearth | olly: that would be complicated though :o |
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| 22:14.37 | Manishearth | especially since gsoc is large and many times you will need to commit code halfway throught |
| 22:14.41 | Manishearth | *through |
| 22:15.15 | Manishearth | Two months for code to fester is a long time. I've worked in when my PRs will be in my schedule itself, for example |
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| 22:15.32 | Manishearth | (servo is too unstabe for something ese to work, though, I guess something more stable like Firefox is ok) |
| 22:15.36 | olly | Manishearth: you don't need to convince me of this |
| 22:16.03 | Manishearth | heh :) |
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| 22:18.55 | KolibriOS|yogev | Well, in software companies people usually work on large projects which cannot be ever completed by single person. So they work in what is called "team", but technically this is not a team. The team stuff there is only attending team meetings (= idling on the org IRC channel in GSoC) and getting team e-mail (subscribing to the org mailing list). The work |
| 22:18.56 | KolibriOS|yogev | itself is done individually, it doesn't overlap at all as otherwise it would be a loss of money to the company. |
| 22:20.40 | KolibriOS|yogev | So to me personally it's hard to define what is "team work". The org itself is a team in some meaning. |
| 22:21.13 | olly | KolibriOS|yogev: it's expected that a single student is doing the project, with assistance from the community |
| 22:21.27 | olly | that's clearly different to two or more students working on the project together |
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| 22:22.17 | Manishearth | KolibriOS|yogev: depends. I've done code in collab with others for Mozilla |
| 22:22.37 | Manishearth | for many open source-y companies this is the case |
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| 22:24.19 | KolibriOS|yogev | olly: This is what the GSoC rules say, that's correct. But what does team work mean for you personally? |
| 22:25.55 | olly | in the context of gsoc, there should be a single person writing the vast majority of the code for a project |
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| 22:32.57 | KolibriOS|yogev | What I meant is that in real world (not GSoC) people work individually even when they are called a team. Each person gets a task list and has to complete it. The tasks don't overlap. |
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| 22:35.04 | cder | hi. is it too late to apply for the summer of code this year? |
| 22:35.08 | cder | I am assuming it is. |
| 22:35.16 | carols | cder: yes |
| 22:35.30 | cder | but, I just heard it from my school group the day after the deadline.. I dunno why they didn't announce it sooner |
| 22:35.38 | carols | cder: me either |
| 22:35.49 | cder | oh, it's OK, I guess I can see all the code online.. thanks. |
| 22:35.54 | carols | cheers |
| 22:35.55 | cder | I will just study on my own. :) |
| 22:36.22 | meflin | no reason not to find an org and volunteer :) |
| 22:36.27 | cder | what do you mean me either? |
| 22:36.29 | meflin | you will learn alot that way |
| 22:36.38 | cder | yeah, I'm gonna do there. there are tons of open source. |
| 22:36.41 | cder | thanks. |
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| 22:36.44 | meflin | cool |
| 22:37.20 | cder | just wondering, what if you graduated already, can you still do internship @ google anyhow? |
| 22:37.46 | meflin | gsoc is not an internship at google |
| 22:37.52 | stqism | cder: That question isn't really /gsoc/, and would best be fit elsewhere |
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| 22:37.54 | cder | oh, ok. |
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| 22:38.14 | cder | no, thanks. meflin, you answered my question. thank you. :) |
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| 22:38.27 | cder | i mean. thanks Meflin.. |
| 22:38.44 | meflin | :) |
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| 22:52.35 | kblin | wow... |
| 22:52.46 | kblin | gnome just closed a bug I filed about 10 years ago |
| 22:52.56 | stqism | Was it automatic? |
| 22:53.03 | kblin | no, a human |
| 22:53.11 | meflin | was it fixed? |
| 22:53.20 | kblin | still closing as "closing old bug as WONTFIX"... |
| 22:53.30 | gevaerts | once submitted a bug report to gnome |
| 22:53.47 | gevaerts | They fixed it, and then they reimplemented the thing and reintroduced it |
| 22:53.54 | kblin | hehe |
| 22:53.54 | meflin | yea I've closed a few bugs 4 years old as .. wontfix .. just because the code base has changed to much |
| 22:54.09 | gevaerts | So as far as I know, you can't have a tab in your password *and* log in if you use gdm |
| 22:54.54 | meflin | tab is valid in passwords? |
| 22:55.03 | gevaerts | Well |
| 22:55.07 | gevaerts | What's the reference? |
| 22:55.22 | kblin | meflin: yeah, fair enough, I can't even remember what I was doing when I found the bug |
| 22:55.24 | meflin | current fedora? ... sysV ? |
| 22:55.26 | KolibriOS|yogev | Reminds me of this: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/05/31/mark-shuttleworth-closes-ubuntu-bug-1/ - closed after 9 years. |
| 22:55.45 | gevaerts | meflin: "Care must be taken not to include the system default erase or kill characters" |
| 22:55.49 | kblin | KolibriOS|yogev: but that was sort of a stretch goal |
| 22:55.50 | gevaerts | from passwd(1) |
| 22:55.56 | KolibriOS|yogev | kblin: :-) |
| 22:55.57 | meflin | kblin: at some point you can't work on it to much has changed and leaving it open makes ppl think the issue currently raised |
| 22:56.33 | kblin | meflin: it's just a bit sad looking back |
| 22:56.50 | kblin | it seems like the devs decided it was a documentation bug in the end, and then it was never fixed |
| 22:56.59 | meflin | boo |
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| 22:57.13 | kblin | whoa, I was using gentoo back then... |
| 22:57.29 | meflin | kblin: if its any consolation one of the very old bugs I WONTFIXED was filed by a at the time non-dev .. name of meflin |
| 22:58.27 | kblin | meflin: but I completely agree that nobody will care about 10 year old documentation. I'm pretty sure the APIs changed years ago already |
| 22:59.02 | meflin | in my case the client software involved was depreciated by that time ... didn't bother to test if it was still broken :D |
| 22:59.51 | meflin | + it is extra amusing to WONTFIX yourself :D |
| 23:00.17 | gevaerts | meflin: did you at least use slightly insulting language? |
| 23:00.31 | meflin | heh :D |
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