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| 00:27.19 | kdh-1334_ | For the proposer |
| 00:27.47 | kdh-1334_ | would you guys want to see a brief estimated project schedule? |
| 00:27.59 | kdh-1334_ | or |
| 00:28.05 | kdh-1334_ | just project details are fine? |
| 00:28.26 | terri | kdh-1334_: usually both, but you should verify with the mentors what they want. |
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| 00:28.43 | kdh-1334 | thank you |
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| 00:44.27 | leyonce | Hi all.I don't know where to upload my documents for the gsoc; the student attestation letter and project proposal. |
| 00:46.45 | kdh-1334_ | leyonce https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 |
| 00:47.05 | kdh-1334_ | leyonce it's on the main page of the website |
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| 00:49.39 | dfighter | leyonce, during registration you are asked to provide the proof of enrollment. Once you submit that, the site will show a submit proposal button on the main page. |
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| 00:49.42 | dfighter | it's that simple |
| 00:49.44 | dfighter | :) |
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| 00:51.37 | leyonce | dfighter,ah ok! so where do i provide the proof?I'm looking for that particular button. |
| 00:51.54 | dfighter | during the registration... |
| 00:52.05 | dfighter | or later you go to your profile and in the bottom |
| 00:52.52 | leyonce | dfighter,kdh-1334 ,ok.thanks guys |
| 00:53.00 | dfighter | np |
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| 01:42.39 | electro__ | Can I do an internship along with GSoC? |
| 01:43.11 | kdh-1334_ | electro__ not recommanded |
| 01:43.13 | kdh-1334_ | really |
| 01:43.31 | kdh-1334_ | its like full time work |
| 01:43.53 | electro__ | kdh-1334_: The internship is a compulsory requirement by my university on all Junior (3rd year) students. Can GSoC be counted as an internship experience? |
| 01:44.14 | dfighter | electro__, you should ask your school |
| 01:44.19 | dfighter | how would *we* know it? |
| 01:44.29 | kdh-1334 | yes you should ask your school |
| 01:44.36 | TonyF | I see that in every project they list a lot of task, a student should do it all? |
| 01:44.40 | kdh-1334 | according to FAQ, it says |
| 01:44.56 | kdh-1334 | google will provide any necessary documents |
| 01:45.13 | dfighter | kdh-1334, ask your school if they accept that |
| 01:45.30 | electro__ | dfighter: What is the usual practice? |
| 01:46.00 | dfighter | eh ofc I was addressing you electro__ |
| 01:46.09 | dfighter | electro__, what do you mean by "usual practice"? |
| 01:46.23 | electro__ | dfighter: Yes, I know that. |
| 01:46.33 | electro__ | dfighter: I mean what do most schools do? |
| 01:47.06 | dfighter | electro__, most schools don't have their students do GSOC :> |
| 01:47.17 | dfighter | so it would be hard to say |
| 01:47.23 | electro__ | dfighter: :( |
| 01:47.26 | dfighter | you really need to ask them if they accept Google's documents |
| 01:48.15 | electro__ | dfighter: I have everything perfectly in place, and all of a sudden this internship issue appears out of nowhere. |
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| 01:50.15 | dfighter | electro__, yea sometimes life happens :> |
| 01:51.37 | electro__ | dfighter: The school won't open until monday. I hope they consider my application inspite of the internship issue. |
| 01:52.21 | dfighter | electro__, you have about a month to figure it all out |
| 01:52.27 | dfighter | that's how long it takes to process applications |
| 01:53.18 | electro__ | dfighter: Perfect! :) |
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| 02:24.44 | cpg | hey, we're trying to start scoring some of proposals but the score does not take |
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| 02:25.36 | Guest2867 | Do we get an email confirmation after we submit our proposal? |
| 02:26.37 | olly | Guest2867: no, check your dashboard to make sure it is submitted |
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| 02:37.58 | cpg | do the scores only take when the deadline for submission passes? |
| 02:38.08 | cpg | !next |
| 02:38.10 | gsocbot | cpg: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 02:39.46 | cpg | looks like one admin has to enable the scoring |
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| 02:50.17 | olly | cpg|away: the admin can disable scoring - it seems that leads to being able to click on the stars, but they don't "take" |
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| 02:57.47 | Tomojit | Hi |
| 02:58.28 | Tomojit | can any one help me to figure out how to upload the proposal? |
| 02:58.41 | Tomojit | I don't see any link in my profile |
| 02:58.55 | meflin | try the front page |
| 02:59.43 | Tomojit | you mean th eHome page? |
| 02:59.46 | stqism | Yes |
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| 03:00.55 | Tomojit | I checked that but there is no link to upload the proposal. |
| 03:01.12 | stqism | Did you submit proof of enrollment? |
| 03:01.24 | Tomojit | no |
| 03:01.30 | stqism | Do that first, it's required |
| 03:01.30 | Tomojit | where to do that? |
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| 03:01.40 | stqism | It's on upload documents in your dashboard |
| 03:01.58 | stqism | !timeline |
| 03:01.58 | gsocbot | stqism: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 03:02.48 | Tomojit | I don't see any link to upload document in my dashboard |
| 03:02.55 | hjpotter92 | !help |
| 03:02.56 | gsocbot | hjpotter92: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 03:03.08 | Tomojit | it only shows the connections |
| 03:03.15 | olly | !unmentor | Tomojit |
| 03:03.16 | gsocbot | Tomojit: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 03:03.22 | stqism | olly: Bit too late :) |
| 03:03.36 | olly | not for the latter approach |
| 03:04.02 | olly | but indeed, getting it fixed before the deadline is probably optimisitic |
| 03:04.03 | hjpotter92 | !numstats |
| 03:04.03 | gsocbot | hjpotter92: "numstats" is There are 14 statistics in !numapps. |
| 03:04.11 | hjpotter92 | !numapps |
| 03:04.12 | gsocbot | hjpotter92: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 03:04.41 | olly | !forget numstats |
| 03:04.43 | gsocbot | olly: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:04.53 | olly | !lean numstats as There are many statistics in !numapps |
| 03:04.59 | olly | !learn numstats as There are many statistics in !numapps |
| 03:05.00 | gsocbot | olly: "numstats" is There are many statistics in !numapps |
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| 03:08.50 | codethy | hello! |
| 03:09.21 | stqism | Hi, codethy |
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| 03:33.19 | codethy | If I want to submit two similar proposals to the same organization, can I put it into one proposal application? |
| 03:33.39 | meflin | no 1 is not 2 |
| 03:34.38 | codethy | thanks |
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| 04:51.30 | Quan | hello.. |
| 04:51.57 | thiago | hello |
| 04:52.11 | Quan | I had a question about the file format for the proposal submission. Can we upload a word document or a pdf ? |
| 04:52.25 | thiago | you can link to a PDF |
| 04:52.27 | thiago | don't use word |
| 04:52.36 | Quan | ok |
| 04:52.51 | meflin | depending on your org |
| 04:52.58 | meflin | some will not read such a thing |
| 04:53.08 | Quan | and apart from submitting a proposal and student proof do we need to do anything else.. |
| 04:53.21 | Quan | to register |
| 04:53.29 | thiago | some orgs require you to interact with them to be eligible |
| 04:53.42 | meflin | depends on the org |
| 04:54.19 | thiago | some require you to post a patch or two too |
| 04:54.50 | Quan | I did all of that.. i meant are their other things to do on melange |
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| 04:55.41 | meflin | that's it |
| 04:56.36 | Quan | no other agreements to sign, because there was a mention about it in the FAQ |
| 04:57.32 | meflin | that is part of making a melange account I belive |
| 04:57.54 | thiago | there are more if you get accepted |
| 04:57.57 | thiago | tax forms |
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| 05:00.12 | Quan | Ok so by uploading just these two documents (proposal and student proof), i would be eligible for the project I wish to apply ? |
| 05:01.43 | thiago | yes |
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| 05:04.03 | adas | hi! |
| 05:04.07 | Quan | thanks for the info |
| 05:04.16 | adas | do you think google would give us more time? |
| 05:04.33 | meflin | never |
| 05:04.36 | terri | adas: they never have in the 10 years of the program |
| 05:04.39 | thiago | you have 13 hours and 56 minutes. Not a second more. |
| 05:04.41 | olly | !extension | adas |
| 05:04.41 | gsocbot | adas: "extension" is extension is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
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| 05:06.06 | adas | thanks! |
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| 05:08.23 | Mathnerd314 | is the google-melange site running slowly, or is it just me? |
| 05:09.22 | Guest____ | I'm not experiencing site slowness, but I'm somewhat concerned that my submitted proposals are not showing in the dashboard after being submitted. Anyone also experiencing that? |
| 05:09.56 | olly | Mathnerd314: it can get slow as the deadline approaches (and throw server errors) |
| 05:10.03 | olly | seems OK to me |
| 05:10.38 | olly | though I'm just commenting on proposals |
| 05:11.27 | Mathnerd314 | hmm. Dashboard still hasn't finished loading... |
| 05:11.44 | meflin | working fine for me |
| 05:12.15 | Mathnerd314 | I'll see if uisng Chrome instead of FF fixes it |
| 05:12.37 | MisterA | working fine for me too |
| 05:13.09 | olly | using an anon/private browser window can help with some issues, so might be worth a try |
| 05:13.29 | olly | dashboard loads quicker than often for me |
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| 05:14.47 | MisterA | olly: know of any decent browsers that I probably haven't heard of? I've been debating swapping chrome/firefox for something different |
| 05:16.41 | olly | not really |
| 05:16.46 | Mathnerd314 | internet explorer, opera, safari, other random webkit, lynx, ... there aren't that many left |
| 05:17.17 | olly | i'm sure there's at least as many again |
| 05:17.24 | olly | those aren't all open source either |
| 05:17.29 | olly | mind you, neither's chrome |
| 05:17.37 | olly | chromium is |
| 05:18.24 | olly | Mathnerd314: there's at least one taking in part in gsoc this year, for example: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/netsurf |
| 05:20.13 | MisterA | cool |
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| 05:21.57 | Mathnerd314 | I see no mention of SVG or MathML, both of which are supported by firefox |
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| 05:25.37 | Mathnerd314 | although there is a "libsvgtiny", which might be an implementation |
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| 05:31.33 | mithro | Hi potential students! I just sent an email out for students applying to TimVideos with a lot of information about how to make an awesome proposal. A lot of what I mentioned is probably going to be useful for students apply to other organisations too. Feel free to take a gander at |
| 05:31.34 | mithro | https://docs.google.com/a/mithis.com/document/d/133lKw9Lp-rdRdTfUgQgvQu89UbD0kDjombsq47ZCAoM/pub# -- I know it is probably a bit late with applications closing in 12ish hours, but hopefully it will also be useful for students in following years. |
| 05:32.24 | mithro | Oh Mentors, I've love your feedback on what I talked about too! Change the "pub" at the end to "edit" to leave comments on it. |
| 05:34.19 | thiago | mithro: are you sure you've got the right channel? |
| 05:34.57 | thiago | or not |
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| 05:35.04 | thiago | I hadn't read the entire message |
| 05:35.06 | thiago | never mind me |
| 05:35.40 | mithro | thiago: no worries, I hope some of what I said should be useful to students applying to other organisations |
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| 05:46.31 | Lyude | mithro, I didn't decide to go into GSoC until a couple days ago |
| 05:46.36 | Lyude | so thank you, lol |
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| 05:50.20 | rusnic | Dear Mentors, with only 12 hours left i am looking for feedbacks so that i can review my proposal on those line. Thanks in advance :) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/public/google/gsoc2014/russelnickson/5649050225344512 |
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| 05:52.33 | udara | Hi! I want to submit a student project proposal to gsoc but I can't find a link... PLEASE HELP! |
| 05:53.06 | stqism | udara: Did you submit proof of enrollment? |
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| 05:55.06 | udara | no i couldnt submit it. is it mandatory to submit early |
| 05:55.47 | stqism | It's required. |
| 05:55.52 | stqism | This is in the faq |
| 05:56.46 | thiago | you have 13 hours to submit the proof of enrollment and your proposal |
| 05:56.55 | stqism | ^ |
| 05:56.56 | udara | so do we get the link only after submitting it. I'll upload my proof of enrollment and try again then thank you |
| 05:56.56 | thiago | no extensions will be granted |
| 05:57.07 | stqism | Correct |
| 05:57.24 | udara | :( i am in the university so i'll try to get it done as soon as possible |
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| 05:58.04 | stqism | Keep in mind, you've had weeks to get this all ready :) |
| 05:59.19 | captn3m0 | rusnic: Try adding some dates to your timeline. |
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| 05:59.42 | captn3m0 | also improve upon your "technical details section". It is very sparse about what you want to accomplish |
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| 06:10.52 | dufferzafar | I have already submitted my proposal. Can I make edits after the deadline tomorrow? |
| 06:11.31 | meflin | only with org permission |
| 06:11.40 | olly | dufferzafar: you can comment though |
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| 06:12.33 | olly | orgs are unlikely to let you slip in a skeleton proposal before the deadline and fill it in afterwards |
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| 06:15.05 | dufferzafar | My mentor raised some issues, so I was wondering do I have to address them before the deadline.. |
| 06:15.31 | olly | i would try to, but you can always respond with a comment |
| 06:16.06 | dufferzafar | Okay, I'll fix them today. |
| 06:17.43 | thiago | if they're minor issues, the mentor is likely to allow you to make edits later and answer by comments |
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| 06:18.29 | olly | reads a project timeline which starts today - now that's thorough |
| 06:18.30 | thiago | if the mentor raised a major issue, like "this is a copy paste from our website", then you had better fix it now |
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| 06:22.41 | dufferzafar | The issue is actually being discussed on the mailing list, and I can't decide until something is agreed upn. |
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| 06:29.13 | olly | dufferzafar: they can't really expect you to have it in your proposal before the deadline if that's the case |
| 06:29.45 | dufferzafar | I'd still add whatever I think is final :) |
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| 06:39.13 | polychron | Can I preview the proposal after I submit it? |
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| 06:40.47 | captn3m0 | yes you can |
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| 06:43.26 | polychron | Can I modify it after I submit? |
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| 06:44.11 | captn3m0 | yes you can, but only till the deadline |
| 06:44.40 | polychron | Ohh okk thanks. |
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| 07:00.49 | polychron | I am writing my proposal in HTML. How do I insert images? I have tried Google Drive with images public and dropbox. Both dont seem to work. |
| 07:01.22 | wiruzx | polychron: user imgur.com |
| 07:01.25 | wiruzx | use* |
| 07:01.34 | wiruzx | oh |
| 07:01.38 | wiruzx | wait |
| 07:02.24 | wiruzx | I think you should paste images from melange page |
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| 07:02.58 | wiruzx | There is button for that |
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| 07:03.13 | polychron | Yes, but I am doing it in HTMl entirely |
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| 07:04.15 | wiruzx | there is button for editing proposal as HTML |
| 07:04.27 | wiruzx | or i didn't understand something |
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| 07:05.02 | polychron | okk, for an img in HTML has a "src". What does in there? |
| 07:05.28 | captn3m0 | you upload it to a host like imgur and get the source from there |
| 07:06.50 | polychron | wiruzx, captn3m0 : imgur worked like a charm. Thank you very much. |
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| 07:10.24 | udara | I have managed to upload the project but it does not show up on my dashboard.. it says zero records found ?? |
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| 07:13.58 | captn3m0 | upload the project or the proposal? |
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| 07:15.31 | chatter331 | just filling the student profile. where do I upload the 64x64 thumbnail image to provide the url? |
| 07:16.17 | udara | uploaded the proposal but is not shown uneder proposals i have submitted |
| 07:16.47 | captn3m0 | I just reused my gravatar public link, but you can use something like imgur.com |
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| 07:17.27 | captn3m0 | udara: try submitting it again |
| 07:17.33 | chatter331 | sounds good. thanks! |
| 07:18.01 | udara | will it make two proposals with the same title? will it be a problem |
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| 07:21.22 | captn3m0 | no, i think you can't create 2 proposals for the same org |
| 07:21.29 | captn3m0 | so it would overwrite, most probably |
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| 07:35.27 | olly | captn3m0: you can submit two proposals to the same org |
| 07:35.37 | olly | though it's probably wise to talk to them first |
| 07:35.54 | olly | though there's not much time for that |
| 07:36.15 | olly | but as an org admin, everytime I've seen multiple proposals from a student, I wish they'd spent all the time on just one |
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| 07:41.52 | udara | thanks the problem is my abstract is more than 500 characters and i fixed it |
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| 07:59.48 | VaticanCameos | No last minute panic horde? |
| 08:00.54 | kblin | http://i.imgur.com/JcrwDOJ.jpg |
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| 08:01.09 | VaticanCameos | kblin: lol |
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| 08:02.22 | kblin | I already know what I'll spend my afternoon on, and they're still coming in |
| 08:02.39 | bluenotebook | hello, I have heard that if we try to submit the proposal towards the end there might be issues with the website. Is that true? Can I afford to submit my proposal after a couple of hours? |
| 08:02.50 | VaticanCameos | It's quite lukewarm right now though |
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| 08:03.10 | bluenotebook | Also, am I allowed to make changes once I upload it? In which case I can submit a draft now itself and edit it till the deadline |
| 08:03.17 | PulkoMandy | bluenotebook: yes, a lot of students try to upload in the last hour or so and it tends to break the website |
| 08:03.27 | PulkoMandy | but yes, better submit a draft |
| 08:03.35 | VaticanCameos | bluenotebook: yes you can edit it once its in the system |
| 08:03.40 | PulkoMandy | you can edit until the deadline, after the deadline you can only add comments |
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| 08:04.00 | VaticanCameos | !time |
| 08:04.01 | gsocbot | VaticanCameos: "time" is http://xkcd.com/now |
| 08:04.15 | bluenotebook | Alright. That makes sense. I am just waiting for a few reviews to come in. Thank you for your quick response! |
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| 08:07.56 | gsocbot | VaticanCameos: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 08:08.15 | VaticanCameos | 7pm UTC |
| 08:08.27 | VaticanCameos | 12:30am for me |
| 08:08.43 | Lyude | 4 AM here and I've almost got my proposal done |
| 08:08.53 | Lyude | and I actually feel really good about it |
| 08:09.14 | VaticanCameos | Lyude: you'll feel even better if you're selected |
| 08:09.25 | Lyude | yes, yes I will :D |
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| 08:14.31 | Lyude | Can barely keep my eyes open though D: |
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| 08:29.16 | nikolaos_ | how long does it take for the enrolment document i upload to be approved? i need to upload it today and im not sure my student id will be enough. |
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| 08:32.32 | PulkoMandy | nikolaos_: you don't have to wait for approval |
| 08:32.48 | PulkoMandy | if there is a problem with it, you will get extra time to fix it |
| 08:34.16 | nikolaos_ | thats great, i was worried i would be late. |
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| 08:54.56 | sinhayash | Do I need to cross check that my enrollment form is up on melange or may I safely ignore it? (It disappeared once.) |
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| 08:57.10 | captn3m0 | just check the bottom of your profile page |
| 08:57.34 | lbat | is it possible to edit a proposal after submission? |
| 08:58.05 | captn3m0 | you can edit as much as you want till the deadline |
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| 08:59.36 | lbat | thanks! |
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| 09:05.28 | laura____ | hi all |
| 09:05.38 | laura____ | I need an information |
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| 09:06.33 | laura____ | someone can tell me if I can submit two different proposals at the same mentor? |
| 09:07.34 | captn3m0 | olly just confirmed a while back that yes, you can submit 2 proposals to the same *org* |
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| 09:08.08 | PulkoMandy | yes |
| 09:08.18 | groundnuty | is it proper to include a section describing my understanding of a task at hand in a proposal? |
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| 09:16.39 | Lyude | For submitting a proposal, do I have to use the melange editor? |
| 09:16.47 | Lyude | Can't I just upload a PDF? |
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| 09:25.59 | olly | Lyude: you can't upload PDF, but you can switch the editor to source mode and paste in HTML source |
| 09:26.23 | Lyude | Well I just tried pasting the text from libreoffice and it retained (most) of the formatting |
| 09:26.26 | Lyude | so it's not that big of an issue |
| 09:26.31 | olly | groundnuty: i'd feel it was an omission if you didn't |
| 09:26.45 | groundnuty | olly: good to hear it :) |
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| 09:28.06 | groundnuty | writing this proposal is interesing by itself, I had to consult to biologists to begin to understand the details of the subject |
| 09:28.12 | groundnuty | *two |
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| 09:32.14 | lbat | I also expected a "upload your pdf" here button. I did my best to retain the formatting, but the readability is terrible compared to latex... |
| 09:32.40 | olly | lbat: the mentors are aware tinymce doesn't preserve formatting perfectly |
| 09:32.55 | PulkoMandy | lbat: I think we would allow a "better formatted" version link to a pdf uploaded somewhere else - but not all orgs may work th esame |
| 09:32.58 | Lyude | lbat, same |
| 09:33.53 | groundnuty | lbat: I can suggest to derwite to goole docs and export as web |
| 09:34.01 | groundnuty | *rewrite |
| 09:34.25 | lbat | thanks for the suggestions! i plan to include a link to the pdf |
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| 09:35.01 | groundnuty | lbat: also have in mind that google docs colaboration features would make it easy for mentos to make comments |
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| 09:35.13 | groundnuty | lbat: (I'm huge fan of latex btw ;p) |
| 09:35.42 | lbat | groundnuty, :) |
| 09:36.00 | polychron | I submitted my proposal with the content as a HTML source. But when I preview the proposal I get to see all the HTML. It is not being rendered. Is this normal? |
| 09:36.53 | panzone | proposal on melange are simple text, no ? |
| 09:38.06 | polychron | panzone, nope it can be a HTML source. There is a button for it. |
| 09:38.20 | panzone | uh, seriously ? |
| 09:38.46 | panzone | i convert all my proposal to pure text because i think it was the only way |
| 09:39.11 | polychron | panzone, if my understanding is right, I think thats what the button is supposed to do. I might be wrong though. Because it didnt work for me. |
| 09:39.25 | polychron | panzone, I converted my proposal from LATEX to HTML. |
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| 09:40.40 | panzone | uh, that html button is for seeing the html code generated for the proposal page, i don' t know if you can use your own html code. you should ask on #melange |
| 09:41.42 | panzone | and kudos for using latex |
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| 09:50.02 | wram | Hello. What to write in profile, if I am a resident of one country, but study in other country? Would It be OK to write other's country address as residental address, if I plan to stay at this address during GSoC program? |
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| 09:53.02 | olly | wram: i'm not sure you'll get a definitive answer at this time of day |
| 09:53.17 | olly | the shipping address needs to be one you can actually get mail at though |
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| 10:02.17 | darnir | groundnuty: Did you use latex to make the document and paste the HTML source? |
| 10:02.28 | darnir | +1 for nerd points! |
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| 10:21.05 | Dragooon | Can we still revise our proposals after the deadline? |
| 10:21.29 | panzone | no |
| 10:22.03 | panzone | after the timeline you cannot modify your proposals |
| 10:22.15 | panzone | *deadline |
| 10:22.56 | Dragooon | Thanks |
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| 10:25.12 | wiruzx | Should i add any contact information except email, nickname in IRC and github account? |
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| 10:25.51 | wiruzx | Maybe mobile phone? |
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| 10:27.02 | kblin | we explicitly ask for a phone number in the application template |
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| 10:29.59 | wiruzx | I hardly can speak English by phone :D |
| 10:30.53 | got2bex | hi there :) can we modify a proposal after pushing the submit button (before the deadline ?) |
| 10:31.09 | kblin | yes, until the deadline |
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| 10:33.03 | got2bex | thanks |
| 10:33.05 | got2bex | :) |
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| 11:23.55 | olly | top tip - make sure you actually say what project your proposal is for |
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| 11:26.19 | ashmew2 | Will you be able to post comments on the proposal even after the deadline today? |
| 11:26.56 | captn3m0 | yes |
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| 11:32.31 | rusnic | i have made a design for the new homepage design for www.google-melange.com :) Please check it out @ http://www.russel.in/gsoc-mockup/ and let me know your feedback. |
| 11:32.46 | ashmew2 | captn3m0, are you sure ? :D |
| 11:33.00 | captn3m0 | someone mentioned it today earlier in the channel |
| 11:33.04 | ashmew2 | oh okay. |
| 11:33.06 | ashmew2 | Thanks |
| 11:33.41 | captn3m0 | yes, olly mentioned it earlier. just checked |
| 11:34.54 | ashmew2 | okay, cool :) Thanks |
| 11:35.59 | captn3m0 | rusnic: looks cool! I'd highlight sections it heavily in my proposal, if i were you |
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| 11:37.41 | PulkoMandy | rusnic: #melange may be a better place to discuss this |
| 11:37.56 | PulkoMandy | (but, looks nice if I ignore the JPEG artifacts) |
| 11:38.10 | rusnic | captn3mo: i found this template specified by melange so i thought i would stick to it. |
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| 11:40.44 | rusnic | PulkoMandy: i've tried discussing it at #melange but nobody seems to reply. is there any other way i can reach them? |
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| 11:41.40 | ramsub07 | Hi guys, while moving to a next line I am not able to see the cursor in melange. Anyone else experiencing this problem ? |
| 11:42.13 | PulkoMandy | rusnic: they have a project page at google code as well |
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| 11:45.37 | darnir | rusnic: You usually get replies in melange within 48 hours. Don't hope for anything better than that |
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| 11:45.58 | darnir | It's a small team, and right now they're overworked with the exodus of last minute applications |
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| 11:46.33 | darnir | Although I must say, I like the mockup. Looks good |
| 11:47.41 | abhinavsv3 | @carols : Hi , I have submitted my University ID card at Enrollment form . Will I be notified if it is wrong ? or should I submit another one . |
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| 11:48.18 | abhinavsv3 | Hi , I have submitted my University ID card at Enrollment form . Will I be notified if it is wrong ? or should I submit another one . |
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| 11:48.30 | panzone | abhinavsv3: don' t worry about it |
| 11:48.38 | nikolisgal | Hello all I have a question : I am a student from Greece and I am studying for me diploma .For the proof of enrollment I uploaded a screen shot from my registered courses for this semester but here in Greece in some diplomas include a last semester of thesis and internship which is mandatory so i got no courses for this semester is this going to be a problem for me if yes until when i got time to come up with an official document |
| 11:49.02 | panzone | if it isn' sufficent they will tell you and you can submit another proof |
| 11:49.10 | nikolisgal | amazing |
| 11:49.14 | nikolisgal | cool |
| 11:49.22 | abhinavsv3 | :) . |
| 11:49.27 | uxfi | hello fellow greek nikolisgal |
| 11:49.28 | uxfi | :) |
| 11:49.34 | nikolisgal | hey |
| 11:49.35 | rusnic | darnir: Okay! i'll wait for their reply. |
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| 11:49.52 | rusnic | darnir: Thanks Darnir. |
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| 11:50.45 | abhinavsv3 | I have submitted the proposal using the submit button . is there something else that I have to do my proposal after submitting ? [ I saw the prosal on my Dash Board |
| 11:50.51 | abhinavsv3 | then ?] |
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| 11:51.03 | panzone | nikolisgal: it isn' t a problem. the important thing is that you are registered student. if it isn' t sufficent they tell you |
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| 11:52.35 | nikolisgal | thanks I really feel better now |
| 11:52.42 | panzone | abhinavsv3: if the proposal is correct and you can see it, you should have done. |
| 11:53.11 | panzone | remember that after the deadline you cannot modify your proposals anymore |
| 11:53.49 | panzone | so if you have to add, change or correct something, do it now |
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| 11:55.08 | panzone | just for curiosity, anyone from italy ? |
| 11:56.27 | groundnuty | panzone: Poland here :) |
| 11:56.40 | uxfi | groundnuty: hello |
| 11:56.41 | uxfi | :) |
| 11:56.45 | darnir | can't even say close enough |
| 11:57.33 | panzone | it is just a curiosity. i haven' t found any italian during this gsoc |
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| 11:59.00 | darnir | I would say you should ask on the Mailing List. But don't do that right now. |
| 11:59.24 | darnir | There's way too many mails and only a short fuse remaining before someone blows off for too much spam in his/her inbox |
| 11:59.36 | panzone | darnir: i know, i know |
| 11:59.52 | darnir | thinks that person might be me. Let's wait and watch |
| 12:00.11 | panzone | in fact i just asked here |
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| 12:00.28 | darnir | I know! I'm just messing with you. |
| 12:00.47 | panzone | :) |
| 12:01.04 | darnir | There needs to be more activity here. Sometimes one just gets bored :P |
| 12:01.19 | panzone | but the gsoc mailing list aren' t only for the selected student ? |
| 12:01.58 | darnir | You have a separate mailing list for selected students. |
| 12:02.09 | darnir | Those who get selected will be added there later. |
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| 12:03.58 | abhinavsv3 | @panzone : Thank you |
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| 12:04.57 | panzone_ | abhinavsv3: np |
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| 12:10.24 | sssssssss | hi |
| 12:10.38 | panzone_ | hi |
| 12:10.43 | darnir | Hello sssssssss! |
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| 12:18.49 | devinder | hey, what is deadline for to submit the proposal? |
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| 12:19.11 | blast007 | devinder: did you check the timeline? |
| 12:19.38 | groundnuty | where can I find a log for this channal? somone did link a coumple of good proposals here soem time ago... |
| 12:20.08 | darnir | !timeline | devinder |
| 12:20.08 | gsocbot | devinder: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 12:20.16 | darnir | !logs | groundnuty |
| 12:20.16 | gsocbot | groundnuty: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 12:20.51 | groundnuty | devinder: ok that is not easy to access/seach ;> |
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| 12:39.14 | devinder | I just wanted to confirm |
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| 12:39.22 | devinder | though i have checked the same |
| 12:40.01 | olly | devinder: there's a "time left" on the front page of the site |
| 12:40.15 | flyergd | hello is the student application already closed? wasn't it supposed to only close at 19:00h? |
| 12:40.28 | ashmew2 | flyergd, it |
| 12:40.33 | ashmew2 | shouldn't be |
| 12:40.56 | flyergd | well I don't see a way to submit my proposal now :'( |
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| 12:41.20 | olly | flyergd: orange button on the front page |
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| 12:41.40 | olly | flyergd: assuming you've uploaded your proof of enrollment |
| 12:42.08 | olly | and registered as a student (and not as a mentor) |
| 12:42.26 | flyergd | omg! I got scared for now reason... sorry guys I was at the GoSC 2012 page and didn't notice it... my bad. seriouly what a fail! |
| 12:42.39 | olly | flyergd: you're 2 years to late for gsoc 2012 |
| 12:42.47 | olly | sorry, no extensions for past years |
| 12:42.49 | larryxiao1 | xD |
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| 12:43.08 | flyergd | yes I did those things. thanks olly and ashmew2 ! |
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| 12:49.41 | ashmew2 | :) |
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| 12:54.22 | xennygrimmato | Hey, can we send multiple proposals to the same organisation? |
| 12:54.48 | olly | xennygrimmato: yes, but at this point you really would do better to focus on just one |
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| 12:55.56 | xennygrimmato | olly, sure, thank you :) |
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| 13:07.14 | PulkoMandy | ... so we're getting some last-day proposals anyway |
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| 13:12.31 | sebifam | hey |
| 13:12.37 | sebifam | could any admin help me? |
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| 13:13.11 | velcoity | Can we update the additional link to proposal later ? |
| 13:13.23 | panzone | velcoity: no |
| 13:13.42 | panzone | after the deadline you cannot modify your proposals |
| 13:14.02 | velcoity | What is the purpose of Additional URL then ? |
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| 13:14.50 | velcoity | Obviously,as time flies we know more abt the project |
| 13:14.52 | rushboy | hello can we edit our submitted proposal after the student application period is over ? |
| 13:14.56 | velcoity | How can we modify that ? |
| 13:15.05 | velcoity | in our proposal |
| 13:15.17 | Niharika | rushboy: No. |
| 13:15.20 | panzone | for adding more information about your proposal, patches or your personal repository |
| 13:15.20 | velcoity | rushboy: Same query ebuddy ! |
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| 13:15.39 | panzone | for example, you can add some papers about your project |
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| 13:15.57 | panzone | rushboy: no |
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| 13:16.17 | panzone | after the deadline you cannot modify, delete, change or anything to your proposal |
| 13:16.23 | velcoity | panzone: *add* how ? |
| 13:16.31 | panzone | you cannot even withdraw |
| 13:16.46 | velcoity | Google doc ? |
| 13:17.14 | velcoity | My org doesn't give wiki user space with account registration |
| 13:17.28 | panzone | using additional url, but it is something you have to do before the deadline. you can' t use an external resource for your proposal |
| 13:17.40 | rushboy | Niharika, say I want to add a link to the work that I have done. Is that possible ? |
| 13:17.58 | Niharika | rushboy: Add a link now. You cannot edit the proposal later. |
| 13:18.09 | velcoity | Additional URL could be a Google Doc ? |
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| 13:18.33 | panzone | velcoity: you can, but you cannot use it as an external proposal |
| 13:18.50 | velcoity | panzone: okay :) thanks |
| 13:18.51 | rushboy | Niharika, not to the proposal but any other way of showing the link ? |
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| 13:19.33 | panzone | velcoity: in the next 6 hours you have to finish your proposal, after that date, you cannot modify or improve it |
| 13:19.56 | Niharika | rushboy: Add a link to a google doc or some other place where you can insert the other links. |
| 13:20.20 | velcoity | panzone: 1 |
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| 13:20.45 | panzone | rushboy: but remember: the external document cannot be your proposal. |
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| 13:21.16 | panzone | the external link should be something to prove your skills or the validity of your implementation plan |
| 13:21.56 | sumanah | (Student Application Deadline: March 21 at 19:00 UTC, 5 hours, 38 minutes remaining -- checking whether !next has a countdown) |
| 13:21.57 | sumanah | !next |
| 13:21.58 | gsocbot | sumanah: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 13:22.22 | kblin | nope |
| 13:22.37 | kblin | !countdown |
| 13:22.38 | gsocbot | kblin: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
| 13:22.45 | kblin | !when |
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| 13:23.50 | sumanah | btw kblin Niharika you might be interested in a post I just wrote about tech communities that encourage play and enthusiasm: http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2014/03/20/1 |
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| 13:24.05 | panzone | like your github account or a research paper |
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| 13:26.03 | rushboy | okay thanks, Niharika and panzone :-) |
| 13:26.27 | panzone | rushboy: go finish your proposal since you have little time |
| 13:26.50 | Niharika | sumanah: Reading. :) |
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| 13:28.57 | Rip | I'd like to confirm something regarding GSoC |
| 13:29.05 | sumanah | listens to Rip |
| 13:29.18 | rushboy | !next |
| 13:29.19 | gsocbot | rushboy: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 13:29.40 | Rip | It's just the proposals that are due today, I can submit the student enrollment form later right? |
| 13:29.42 | panzone | Rip: something like... ? |
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| 13:29.50 | panzone | Rip |
| 13:29.52 | panzone | no |
| 13:30.00 | sumanah | Rip: you need to submit the enrollment form first |
| 13:30.06 | sumanah | !proof | Rip |
| 13:30.06 | kblin | sumanah: interesting, but to be honest compared to academia, I find most tech meet-ups are pretty uncompetitive. |
| 13:30.06 | gsocbot | Rip: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 13:30.13 | panzone | you must submit your student enrollment first |
| 13:30.22 | sumanah | kblin: I'm willing to believe that for sure. |
| 13:30.39 | sidthekid | hello, if I add a "stretch goal" to my proposal, will it also be evaluated at mid-term/ final evaluations? |
| 13:30.47 | sumanah | sidthekid: Ask your mentor. |
| 13:30.53 | kblin | sumanah: that said, I'm not trying to argue that more play at hacker gettogethers is always good |
| 13:30.56 | kblin | er |
| 13:31.02 | Rip | Ok, I'll just scan my student ID right now then. Thanks panzone and sumanah. :) |
| 13:31.04 | kblin | confused himself now |
| 13:31.09 | panzone | sidthekid: it is up to your mentor. what he think about it ? |
| 13:31.23 | sumanah | (or she) |
| 13:31.31 | kblin | sidthekid: talk to your mentor, as panzone said |
| 13:32.29 | panzone | sumanah: sorry sumanah xD in italian when we talk about something that could be male or female, male have precedence |
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| 13:32.51 | panzone | i wrote it without think about it |
| 13:32.52 | kblin | sidthekid: let me try that again... I really appreciate the effort to get more playfulness into hacker gettogethers again |
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| 13:33.13 | sumanah | panzone: Using more inclusive phrasings takes practice sometimes. :) |
| 13:33.23 | mwilkes|work | panzone: You'll find it's something many of us are sensitive about. One of the things you learn as part of GSoC |
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| 13:34.05 | Niharika | sumanah: It sounds exciting. I am thinking of applying to Hacker school next year. Tough to attend !!Con though. |
| 13:34.11 | kblin | "I'm used to even more piranhas in the pool" is not a way to excuse piranhas in the pool |
| 13:34.30 | sumanah | Niharika: I hear ya. I think creating your own "tidepool" locally is a cool thing to do too |
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| 13:34.38 | sumanah | kblin: I get ya :) |
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| 13:35.00 | panzone | kblin: true and i don' t use it as an excuse, in fact i' m sorry |
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| 13:35.27 | kblin | panzone: ah, that wasn't actually targetted at you :) |
| 13:35.36 | Niharika | Indeed. |
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| 13:36.27 | Rip | I didn't submit any patches nor do I have a portfolio or Github to show. Still going to take my chances, even though they are very slim! |
| 13:37.26 | sumanah | Rip: :) you can improve your chances over the consideration period by contributing to the project |
| 13:37.27 | kblin | panzone: as mwilkes|work said, gsoc is about learning things. :) |
| 13:37.39 | kblin | !odds | Rip |
| 13:37.40 | gsocbot | Rip: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 13:37.41 | panzone | Rip: neither do i. it is the problem on having worked for closed source projects |
| 13:37.58 | wiruzx | need i include links at my patches into proposal? if mentor already knows, that i did them? |
| 13:38.13 | sumanah | wiruzx: I think it's still nice to have them all in one place |
| 13:38.20 | kblin | Rip: note that this says "quality of the proposal" |
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| 13:38.34 | Rip | sumanah: didn't know organizations would take that into consideration. I'll try to do that in my free time. |
| 13:38.36 | pchr8 | hm, contributing to the project during the consideration period? Interesting, didn't think of it |
| 13:38.55 | kblin | interacting with your mentoring org during the next days is going to be a very relevant part of that |
| 13:38.58 | sumanah | wiruzx: your mentor may need to advocate on your behalf and say "wiruzx is great, see? better than the other students who applied! look at the proof!" to other mentors & the org admin |
| 13:39.21 | wiruzx | sumanah: ohh, i see, thanks |
| 13:39.28 | mwilkes|work | I am SO looking forward to getting my personal laptop back |
| 13:39.28 | panzone | wiruzx: why not ? it could be a great way for learning your org commits procedure, patch submission and so on |
| 13:39.30 | Rip | kblin: You're right, I'll put some effort into it and just see next month. |
| 13:39.44 | mwilkes|work | I don't have the cert to use MatthewWilkes at the momoent |
| 13:39.46 | mwilkes|work | moment* |
| 13:40.02 | sumanah | mwilkes|work: oh, your Freenode nick? I've been there. I was "sumana-h" or similar |
| 13:40.13 | mwilkes|work | He's still here |
| 13:40.17 | mwilkes|work | logging |
| 13:40.27 | sumanah | mwilkes|work: it's like your Jungian shadow haunts you |
| 13:40.37 | kblin | pchr8: the best way to show that you can actually get work done with the mentoring org is to do just that |
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| 13:40.58 | mwilkes|work | sumanah: He's the perfect expression of me in the platonic realm. I'm just shadows on the wall. |
| 13:41.07 | sumanah | laughs super hard |
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| 13:41.26 | sumanah | the Hylaean form |
| 13:41.46 | sumanah | read Neal Stephenson's "Anathem", doesn't know who else did |
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| 13:42.04 | mwilkes|work | Ah, is that what that's from? |
| 13:42.13 | mwilkes|work | I was thinking of the world of super vampires from Angel |
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| 13:42.41 | mwilkes|work | And there goes the high-brow conversation! |
| 13:42.44 | sumanah | mwilkes|work: I was thinking of the original Plato's Cave thing personally -- haven't watched enough Angel |
| 13:42.45 | sumanah | hahahaha |
| 13:43.13 | sumanah | GSoC project: insert pop culture references into open source software to make it more accessible to everyday people |
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| 13:43.49 | sumanah | (that one is a joke) |
| 13:43.54 | sumanah | another joke GSoC project: go through a bunch of FLOSS applications and switch the "usability" flag in their .cfg files from "0" by default to "1" |
| 13:43.57 | mwilkes|work | sumanah: I must admit, I don't recall the reference |
| 13:44.18 | mwilkes|work | Skills required: YAML, JSON, XML |
| 13:44.29 | PulkoMandy | sounds like a most desirable idea |
| 13:44.33 | sumanah | mwilkes|work: I switched from talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_self https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_cave |
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| 13:45.03 | sumanah | er, from talking about Jungian shadow self to talking about Plato's cave, then to an Anathem reference. |
| 13:45.09 | mwilkes|work | sumanah: I got that, just not rhe world 'hylaean' |
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| 13:45.40 | sumanah | Oh, Anathem uses "Hylaean" where we would say "Platonic" (as in the Platonic form) |
| 13:45.56 | mwilkes|work | right! |
| 13:46.03 | sumanah | was cryptic, sorry |
| 13:46.22 | mwilkes|work | phew! |
| 13:46.27 | mwilkes|work | I was feeling dumb, then! |
| 13:46.34 | sumanah | Anyway, back to GSoC stuff -- anyone want a second or third set of eyes on their proposal? |
| 13:46.42 | mwilkes|work | especially as I seem to have some sort of comma generating illness today. |
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| 13:47.01 | sumanah | mwilkes|work: better than a COMA-generating illness! |
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| 13:47.08 | sumanah | blows bad-pun kazoo |
| 13:47.14 | panzone | sumanah: i already use your help xD but if anyone want to help me, my proposal is public |
| 13:47.19 | d4rkr4i | public name can be chosen anything at melange, right? |
| 13:47.26 | d4rkr4i | not necessarily real-name |
| 13:48.05 | mwilkes|work | d4rkr4i: Well, nothing offensive. There have been people that used a pseudonym that turned out to be a war criminal (I forget the exact details) and that disadvantaged them |
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| 13:48.56 | sumanah | d4rkr4i: #melange might know more .... but I think you can make up a pseudonym if you want to use it, yes |
| 13:49.06 | d4rkr4i | mwilkes|work: I kept the public name as name by which I am generally known around on web. |
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| 13:49.29 | mwilkes|work | I believe that is fine (I am not a googler) |
| 13:49.39 | d4rkr4i | hmm |
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| 13:50.32 | mwilkes|work | sumanah: May I ask, what project are you with? |
| 13:50.56 | sumanah | mwilkes|work: I work at the Wikimedia Foundation where I'm currently Senior Tech Writer but I used to be our GSoC org admin & mentor. |
| 13:51.06 | mwilkes|work | ah! |
| 13:51.16 | sumanah | This year I'll be mentoring (I hope) with a different but related internship program. |
| 13:51.32 | sumanah | Et tu? |
| 13:51.47 | mwilkes|work | I'm the admin for Plone |
| 13:51.52 | mwilkes|work | I've been a mentor a few times, too |
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| 13:51.59 | mwilkes|work | I don't think I'll have a student this year, though |
| 13:52.09 | sumanah | Oh I think I met a Plone person at Open Source Bridge a year or two back |
| 13:52.24 | mwilkes|work | Eric Steele, I'd bet |
| 13:52.35 | mwilkes|work | I want to go to OSBridge someday, and he spoke very highly of it |
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| 13:53.06 | mwilkes|work | I'm based in the UK, so can't swan off to the US for conferences without being able to justify to my bank account |
| 13:53.08 | sumanah | It was Eric Steele! You win a prize (of me thinking that you can make inferences) |
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| 13:53.21 | mwilkes|work | He's our release manager |
| 13:53.34 | sumanah | Release management is so key. |
| 13:53.57 | mwilkes|work | Only paid position in Plone |
| 13:54.05 | sumanah | I would love to see more software engineering apprenticeships helping us grow future release engineers and release managers. |
| 13:54.05 | mwilkes|work | Only a token amount, but still |
| 13:54.30 | mwilkes|work | Zope had a release manager for about 5 years that was a GSoC student with Plone |
| 13:54.49 | sumanah | mwilkes|work: https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/ is in London this summer in case you want to swing by. There's going to be a general techish hackathon where people can learn to integrate stuff with Wikidata, Wikivoyage, Wikipedia..... |
| 13:55.11 | sumanah | (and of course hack on MediaWiki itself if desired) |
| 13:55.30 | mwilkes|work | sumanah: One of my best friends works for WMUK, I'd heard. |
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| 13:55.43 | sumanah | oho :) |
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| 13:56.55 | Rip | It's going to be hard waiting until next month to know whether or not I'd be accepted. |
| 13:57.07 | sumanah | Yeah. |
| 13:57.19 | mwilkes|work | sumanah, In a strange coincidence, I also used to know the chair of wikimedia UK, we were in the same youth politics organisation. I have some briliant photos of him at about 15 |
| 13:57.28 | Rip | But it's plenty of time to contribute and improve my chances, so there's that. |
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| 13:57.46 | sumanah | Rip: Open source usually doesn't have this kind of scarcity or opacity. I understand that it's strange and hard to deal with. I hope it'll reassure you to know that most of open source is transparent and operates on the principle of abundance. |
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| 13:58.45 | Rip | Thanks sumanah, I'm new to this so I still have a lot to learn. |
| 13:58.56 | sumanah | Rip: :) We all did once |
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| 14:01.11 | sumanah | mwilkes|work: I am pretty sure I met that chair at Wikimania last year. :) So how long have you been involved in GSoC in some way? |
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| 14:02.04 | sumanah | has been org adminning/mentoring since 2011 |
| 14:02.41 | mwilkes|work | sumanah: I was drafted in as the org admin of GHOP, so? since december 2007, I think? |
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| 14:02.59 | sumanah | Cool! Thanks for your work |
| 14:03.20 | mwilkes|work | It doesn't feel like work |
| 14:03.27 | mwilkes|work | It's a great programme, I'm proud to help |
| 14:04.46 | sumanah | :) |
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| 14:07.48 | jjestrel | Are we able to edit existing proposals after the due dates passed for submitting them? |
| 14:08.00 | sumanah | jjestrel: No. But there'll sort of be a comment thread so you can add clarifications. |
| 14:08.36 | mwilkes|work | jjestrel: The mentoring organisation can choose to allow it, but generally they won't |
| 14:09.01 | mwilkes|work | I need an app that shocks me every time I hit , |
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| 14:09.14 | sumanah | Anyone want a second or third set of eyes on their proposal? I hereby offer to look & give a bit of feedback (if your mentoring org has already taken a look) |
| 14:09.14 | mwilkes|work | How's that for a project idea? |
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| 14:09.45 | sumanah | chuckles at mwilkes|work's comma issue, thinks of ridiculous solutions |
| 14:09.47 | jjestrel | sumanah,mwilkes|work: thanks |
| 14:10.12 | jjestrel | removing the button from your keyboard so you have to press the uncomfortable part underneath for a comma might help :) |
| 14:10.20 | mwilkes|work | It's a work laptop |
| 14:10.36 | mwilkes|work | I don't want to rip it apart |
| 14:11.08 | Rip | waves at mwilkes |
| 14:11.40 | mwilkes|work | hi Rip! |
| 14:12.40 | tachyons | RIP :o |
| 14:13.00 | mwilkes|work | Slow down, tachyons. (S)He's not dead yet! |
| 14:13.46 | tachyons | mwilkes|work, sorry I thought I am typing from Internet Explorer :-) |
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| 14:15.58 | mwilkes|work | Slow down tachyons? Nobody? Come on, that's comedy gold. |
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| 14:18.29 | sumanah | mwilkes|work: I hereby giggle. |
| 14:18.39 | sumanah | That was CHARMing. |
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| 14:19.01 | tachyons | ;-) |
| 14:20.22 | Rip | does the "submit a new proposal" page auto-save? |
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| 14:21.04 | jjestrel | I don't think so |
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| 14:22.41 | cnj | Rip: The page doesn't auto-save |
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| 14:23.04 | Turl | hi everyone |
| 14:23.08 | Rip | Thanks cnj. Pasting to notepad just in case it crashes! |
| 14:23.10 | sumanah | hi Turl |
| 14:23.31 | Turl | proposal closing time is in ~4h but I'm still in talks with the mentor via melange |
| 14:23.50 | Turl | can we keep on commenting on it after it's finished? |
| 14:23.57 | sumanah | commenting yes |
| 14:24.00 | mwilkes|work | sumanah: Shame truth and beauty quarks didn't catch on |
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| 14:24.19 | sumanah | mwilkes|work: especially as it's all ye know and all ye need to know |
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| 14:25.15 | anth_x | as an org admin, is it possible to see last years proposals? the obvious thing to try gives 0 results. |
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| 14:26.46 | Turl | great, thanks sumanah |
| 14:27.01 | sumanah | Turl: COMMENTING yes, MODIFYING no - does that make sense? |
| 14:27.19 | sumanah | Turl: there's sort of a comment thread under each proposal, and you can comment in that, if the mentoring organization allows it |
| 14:27.32 | jjestrel | I thought I wrote a great proposal, oops 100 characters over -.- |
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| 14:27.58 | sumanah | there's a character limit? Oh wow I think I had forgotten or never run into that |
| 14:28.25 | Turl | sumanah: yes, I'm talking about that comment thread |
| 14:28.33 | sumanah | OK, great |
| 14:28.34 | pchaigno | sumanah: I could use a last "set of eyes" on my proposal :-) |
| 14:28.35 | jjestrel | It seems soo short though |
| 14:28.47 | sumanah | Turl: it's worth checking with the project mentors to see if they are ok with that |
| 14:28.48 | Turl | sumanah: I suppose expanding proposal points on there would be ok as well right? :) |
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| 14:29.13 | sumanah | Turl: it's better to try to get those kinds of things improved in the proposal in the next few hours if you can. Check with your mentors. |
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| 14:29.14 | sumanah | pchaigno: happy to |
| 14:29.22 | sumanah | jjestrel: what is the character limit? |
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| 14:29.26 | jjestrel | 500 |
| 14:29.35 | pchaigno | sumanah: My mentor and at least an other member from the organization reviewed it |
| 14:29.54 | pchaigno | sumanah: Can I PM you the public address? |
| 14:29.56 | sumanah | jjestrel: that's INCREDIBLY short. I bet they meant that to be a word limit, not a character limit. If I were you I would contact the mentoring org and say so |
| 14:30.24 | sumanah | pchaigno: I figure we can talk about it in the channel of your mentoring org? |
| 14:30.26 | jjestrel | sumanah: for the abstract, not the proposal! |
| 14:30.43 | sumanah | jjestrel: ohhhh, that's more understandable |
| 14:30.52 | Turl | sumanah: I have to leave in like 2m and by the time i come back it'll be closed |
| 14:31.01 | PulkoMandy | I don't thinkte abstract matters that much |
| 14:31.04 | pchaigno | sumanah: yes, it's #owasp |
| 14:31.09 | sumanah | oh cool, OWASP! |
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| 14:31.20 | PulkoMandy | just cut the last part of it and repeat it in the proposal body |
| 14:31.27 | ukni | abhgangwar: hi |
| 14:31.27 | Turl | jjestrel: 500? pretty sure I wrote more than 500 chars |
| 14:31.39 | jjestrel | That seems like its cheating |
| 14:31.42 | sumanah | Turl: I bet the org can configure it |
| 14:31.53 | jjestrel | Turl: Instructions say 500 char, maybe it gets cropped or its not enforced |
| 14:31.56 | abhgangwar | Hi ukni |
| 14:32.09 | panzone | abstract should be < 500 words, non char |
| 14:32.45 | Turl | I wrote 8300 chars |
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| 14:32.57 | Turl | make sure you're writing on the right box as panzone says |
| 14:33.03 | jjestrel | Serious? Maybe the message is wrong |
| 14:33.09 | jjestrel | I haven't tried submitting, just looking at what it says |
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| 14:33.23 | Turl | jjestrel: the proposal goes on the box with the wysiwyg editor |
| 14:33.27 | panzone | proposal could be long as you want. mine are 1500 words |
| 14:34.00 | jjestrel | Turl: I'm talking about the abstract not the proposal |
| 14:34.04 | PulkoMandy | really, I think no one really cares about the abstract length (but ask your org to make sure) |
| 14:34.19 | Turl | jjestrel: the abstract has a 500 char limit, but it's an abstract |
| 14:34.30 | Turl | jjestrel: like, a summary of what you're going to do |
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| 14:34.43 | jjestrel | Turl: It's tough making it any shorter than it is already |
| 14:34.53 | Turl | like "I want to work on this because blah blah" |
| 14:35.16 | pkp | Hi. Is it enough if I send a scanned copy of my ID card for proof of enrollment? |
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| 14:35.44 | Turl | pkp: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 14:35.49 | pkp | I read from the faqs that i have to sign a student participation agreement.. when should I do that? |
| 14:35.55 | jjestrel | pkp: I've noticed it being said to just send anything and you will be contacted if it isnt good enough |
| 14:36.13 | jjestrel | (i sent my ID card and I seem to be fine) |
| 14:36.23 | Turl | ok guys, gotta go |
| 14:36.27 | Turl | good luck everyone! :) |
| 14:37.03 | sumanah | :) |
| 14:37.11 | rushboy | I a link to images hosted on imgur which are important for my proposal. But the link is not working. Any suggestions on an alternative way to link my images with my proposal ? |
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| 14:38.24 | sumanah | rushboy: Google Drive? |
| 14:38.31 | sumanah | does not use Google Drive much, doesn't know |
| 14:38.33 | pkp | jjestrel, thanks for replying. What about the student participation agreement |
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| 14:39.24 | PulkoMandy | http://lut.im also hosts images, there are other services |
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| 14:40.23 | rushboy | sumanah, now it is working. But the link i pasted is displayed as simple text rather than a link. |
| 14:40.29 | jjestrel | pkp: I don't remember what I had to do, just remember the student ID and seeing the apply for proposal button |
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| 14:41.04 | rushboy | I have some other links too but they are displayed as hyperlinks except for the imgur page where i have hosted the images |
| 14:41.14 | sumanah | if you're willing to openly license the graphic and it's of educational value rushboy, you could put it on commons.wikimedia.org |
| 14:41.18 | pkp | jjsetrel, Ya, I did submit the proposal. Just wanted to double check if I missed something. :) Thanks |
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| 14:42.46 | jjestrel | rushboy: Buy a host/domain and throw it on there and hope everything is setup before due date. That's also an option |
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| 14:45.16 | rushboy | sumanah, I just want the link to images hosted on imgur to be displayed as a hyperlink in the proposal. Any way of doing it ? |
| 14:45.32 | sumanah | doesn't know rushboy - maybe ask in #melange where they know more about how to use the Melange software |
| 14:45.52 | jjestrel | Every time I press enter I'm afraid it will submit my proposal instead of making a new line |
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| 14:49.03 | vivekjoshi | hi all |
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| 14:49.51 | sumanah | hi vivekjoshi |
| 14:50.00 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: how is your open source journey going today? :) |
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| 14:54.48 | vivekjoshi | How to write schedule? |
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| 14:55.41 | sumanah | hi vivekjoshi - do you mean, how do you come up with a schedule, or how should you format and present it? |
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| 14:55.58 | vivekjoshi | How to come up with? |
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| 14:56.44 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: Have you ever estimated anything before? (honest question.) |
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| 14:57.56 | vivekjoshi | Yes.. |
| 14:58.08 | vivekjoshi | But at relatively smaller level. |
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| 14:58.31 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: OK. So, have you already talked with your mentor about how you might implement the project idea? |
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| 14:59.01 | vivekjoshi | I have already selected an idea. |
| 14:59.28 | vivekjoshi | But didn't talked with respective mentor. |
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| 15:00.36 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: Talking to your mentor is A REALLY IMPORTANT step. |
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| 15:00.57 | sumanah | Your mentor helps guide you in writing the proposal. |
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| 15:01.35 | vivekjoshi | Ok. But, I think I don't have much time now. |
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| 15:02.13 | vivekjoshi | Due to some unavoidable reasons, I was unable to talk with them. And time is getting over. That's why. |
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| 15:02.25 | Rip | do organizations receive an e-mail each time we edit our proposal? |
| 15:02.43 | sumanah | Mentors can configure that in their profiles I believe |
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| 15:02.59 | Rip | ok, because I just edited like 10 times. |
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| 15:03.11 | jjestrel | How many weeks does gsoc run? |
| 15:03.20 | sumanah | jjestrel: you have three months. |
| 15:03.23 | sumanah | !timeline |
| 15:03.24 | gsocbot | sumanah: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 15:03.43 | Rip | Starts may 19 ends August 18. |
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| 15:04.31 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: When you look at the three months and you look at your project idea, you try to divide up what you have to do and figure out how long each piece will take. |
| 15:04.32 | mwilkes|work | vivekjoshi: Email them now, even just briefly. Having no contact from a student at all is a very bad sign, in my book. |
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| 15:04.49 | sumanah | As you think about it, vivekjoshi, you will learn what is and is not possible to do in the three months, and your proposal will change. |
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| 15:05.34 | sumanah | I agree with mwilkes|work, vivekjoshi |
| 15:06.10 | vivekjoshi | But, I think the deadline is midnoght. |
| 15:06.21 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: I suggest you devote half of your schedule to merging with trunk, pre-deploy review, testing, bugfixing, documentation of course, and other integration work. I encourage students to scope the coding part of their projects for more like 6 weeks than 12 |
| 15:06.54 | mwilkes|work | vivekjoshi: I've had 5 applications so far today. An email from a student that's excited would have been lovely. |
| 15:07.08 | vivekjoshi | Okey. |
| 15:07.31 | vivekjoshi | And last question, |
| 15:07.41 | vivekjoshi | What about formatting the data? |
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| 15:08.36 | edsiper | !next |
| 15:08.38 | gsocbot | edsiper: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 15:09.02 | edsiper | 3 hours to start reviewing and rating proposals :D |
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| 15:09.29 | jjestrel | Woo. Finished proposal #2 |
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| 15:09.53 | vivekjoshi | How to write the proposal? |
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| 15:10.39 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: Does your organization provide an "application template" for you to fill in? |
| 15:10.39 | edsiper | vivekjoshi, the deadline is in 3 hours |
| 15:10.53 | vivekjoshi | No. |
| 15:11.06 | mwilkes|work | vivekjoshi: Weird! What org? |
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| 15:11.44 | zombie_ | what should i do if i have enrolled with an institution, but will receive enrollment form in a week or two (but before April 21 deadline) ? |
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| 15:12.12 | sumanah | zombie_: do you have an official letter of acceptance or something like that? |
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| 15:12.37 | sumanah | Something officialish you can upload? |
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| 15:13.01 | vivekjoshi | such as? |
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| 15:13.40 | zombie_ | sumanah: not anything that would satisfy requirements from the FAQ page |
| 15:14.05 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: Please clarify your question. :) |
| 15:14.42 | PulkoMandy | zombie_: go with something incomplete, letter of acceptance or something like that |
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| 15:15.01 | PulkoMandy | you'll have extra time to get a better document later if that isn't enough |
| 15:15.14 | vivekjoshi | Something officialish you can upload? <-- This means what? |
| 15:15.30 | zombie_ | PulkoMandy: is there some place to specify i will have a proper proof later? |
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| 15:16.01 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: I was talking to zombie_ there. |
| 15:16.36 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: What organization are you applying with? Please do check whether they have a template, like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Application_template , that they suggest you should use when writing your proposal. |
| 15:16.53 | vivekjoshi | Oh yeah.. |
| 15:17.04 | vivekjoshi | fossasia |
| 15:17.05 | vivekjoshi | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/submit/google/gsoc2014/fossasia |
| 15:17.51 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: I found them. https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/fossasia |
| 15:18.10 | sumanah | vivekjoshi: I navigated by going to the list of all the mentoring orgs, then clicking on "FOSSAsia". I see an application template there for you to use. |
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| 15:18.29 | sumanah | Also, in the "contact" box on the right, there are several ways for you to get in contact with them, vivekjoshi |
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| 15:19.13 | vivekjoshi | Okey. |
| 15:19.15 | vivekjoshi | Got it... |
| 15:19.17 | vivekjoshi | Thanx. |
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| 15:26.31 | jude_mbithi | !next |
| 15:26.33 | gsocbot | jude_mbithi: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 15:27.43 | Rip | What would happen if we're unable to complete our project due to underestimating the difficulty of our project? |
| 15:27.59 | sumanah | Rip: Being in constant communication with your mentor really helps here. |
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| 15:28.13 | sumanah | Most mentors and organizations understand that you will be learning along the way and that there will be surprises. |
| 15:28.46 | PulkoMandy | in our case, adjusting the project is not a problem |
| 15:28.51 | sumanah | So, having IRC or videochat meetings with your mentor multiple times a week, and telling her/him about difficulties you're running into, means that they'll understand if you run into unforeseeable problems. |
| 15:29.05 | PulkoMandy | as long as you show you are spending enough time on it and at least trying to fix the problems |
| 15:29.11 | Rip | sumanah: Ok, thanks. |
| 15:29.14 | sumanah | And as PulkoMandy says, mentors often adjust the goals for students who are working in good faith. |
| 15:29.26 | tierra | schedules can always be re-adjusted as the mentor sees fit, but if you don't communicate with your mentor about it, and they don't see it coming, that's when it becomes a problem |
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| 15:29.40 | PulkoMandy | when I was a student, in the end the project turned out more complicated than xpected, and my mentor even wrote big parts of the code |
| 15:29.51 | Slurpee | Curious...~how many student applications did orgs receive? I read over 1000 proposals were submitted. We're almost at 40. |
| 15:30.14 | PulkoMandy | I think we have 10 |
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| 15:30.37 | sumanah | !numapps |
| 15:30.38 | gsocbot | sumanah: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 15:31.17 | sumanah | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2014#Candidates 37 so far |
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| 15:32.04 | Slurpee | Thanks for responses. Interesting info :) |
| 15:32.33 | Rip | only 18 people were accepted in wikimedia last year |
| 15:32.41 | Niharika | sumanah: Just 3 girls out of the 37. :( |
| 15:32.49 | Niharika | Or maybe 4. |
| 15:32.54 | sumanah | Rip: I think we had 22 acceptances last year. |
| 15:33.05 | sumanah | Rip: Where's your number coming from? Maybe I'm wrong or maybe you're wrong. |
| 15:33.11 | Rip | sumanah: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2013/wikimedia |
| 15:33.41 | Slurpee | Follow up question...~ how many of the student applications are from North America? |
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| 15:34.07 | sumanah | In our case, very few. |
| 15:34.54 | Slurpee | same here. |
| 15:35.29 | sumanah | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects says last year we had 20 projects. I don't know what's mixed up. |
| 15:35.52 | andreimac | hello guys, I have a question , to submit a proposal is it better to use the template that I recieve in the *content* section of proposal, or should I make a personal , more detailed, one ? |
| 15:36.02 | sumanah | andreimac: Can you ask your mentoring org? |
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| 15:36.26 | sumanah | Niharika: :( indeed. |
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| 15:38.08 | sumanah | Rip: by the way, I also want to add: it's a good idea to try to scope your project small, in my opinion. |
| 15:38.13 | sumanah | as I mentioned earlier: I suggest you devote half of your schedule to merging with trunk, pre-deploy review, testing, bugfixing, documentation of course, and other integration work. I encourage students to scope the coding part of their projects for more like 6 weeks than 12 |
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| 15:40.04 | Rip | Thanks sumanah, will keep that in mind. |
| 15:40.14 | sumanah | Our internship lessons learned at Wikimedia https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Lessons_learned say: |
| 15:40.17 | sumanah | "The core tasks shouldn't take more than 50% of the available time. |
| 15:40.17 | sumanah | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.17 | sumanah | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.22 | edsiper | last minute submissions arriving.. |
| 15:40.25 | sumanah | Yeah. |
| 15:40.37 | Rip | Just bookmarked it. |
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| 15:41.22 | sumanah | Your org's lessons learned may vary Rip! Wikimedia is normal in some ways and weird in some ways. |
| 15:41.43 | Rip | edsiper: how many submissions did you get last minute so far? |
| 15:41.52 | edsiper | Rip, today we got 4 |
| 15:42.08 | Rip | Oh ok. |
| 15:42.09 | PulkoMandy | depends when you start the "last minute" |
| 15:42.14 | sumanah | :) |
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| 15:42.44 | edsiper | i consider last minute the ones arriving on the last day, but their chances are low due to engagements from students who got involved before |
| 15:42.48 | PulkoMandy | yesterday we got some apps that qualify as "last minute" to me (rushed copypaste of idea from idea list and application template) |
| 15:42.53 | sumanah | Yeah. |
| 15:43.13 | PulkoMandy | and this morning we got some where it seems the student has done work on writing a good application on his own |
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| 15:43.17 | TCD | A friend only finished his first draft last night :P |
| 15:43.24 | Rip | Technically I can copy and paste my proposal from one organization into another and submit another proposal because they have a similar project. Just need to change around some words. :D |
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| 15:43.45 | PulkoMandy | TCD: late draft is not a problem, but works better if you asked the project community for input |
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| 15:44.53 | Rip | Anyway, see you all next month. Good luck everyone! |
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| 15:49.16 | werty | hello |
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| 15:49.40 | wiruzx | Good evening |
| 15:49.53 | electro__ | So, anyone submitting proposals at the last minute? |
| 15:49.56 | werty | is there anybody from the GSoC admistratoin? |
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| 15:50.07 | werty | *Administration |
| 15:50.11 | pkp | when will be the results announced? |
| 15:50.28 | wiruzx | pkp: after April 7, i guess |
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| 15:50.44 | pkp | pkp, it can vary? |
| 15:50.49 | pkp | wiruzx^ |
| 15:51.03 | wiruzx | I think so, but not sure |
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| 15:51.45 | wiruzx | don't |
| 15:51.49 | wiruzx | don't think so |
| 15:51.57 | werty | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.27 | wiruzx | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/pick/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 15:52.46 | werty | wiruzx: thx ;) |
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| 15:59.52 | PulkoMandy | and, 1 proposal for something we already implement... (nice try!) |
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| 16:01.11 | edsiper | [update] last minute proposals: 7 |
| 16:02.01 | electro__ | Anybody wants to view my proposal? |
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| 16:02.37 | TCD | PulkoMandy: Was it something you obviously already implement? :P |
| 16:02.53 | PulkoMandy | yes. and we even told so in the ideas list :/ |
| 16:02.58 | TCD | Ouch |
| 16:03.28 | PulkoMandy | the idea is "increase support for file systems", and there is a list of FS, some of which mention "write support" (because reading is already done) |
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| 16:09.46 | gridriver | I submitted proposal for an organization yesterday and it was being displayed nicely at that time on my dashboard. But all of a sudden there's nothing in my My Proposals section now. What must be wrong? |
| 16:10.09 | gaganjyot | I have submitted my proposal. can I edit it after today ? |
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| 16:11.57 | edsiper | gaganjyot, you cannot edit after the deadline unless the organization request more info from you (edit the proposal) and they open the proposal for updates |
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| 16:12.32 | gaganjyot | alright :) thanks edsiper :) |
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| 16:21.59 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:25.41 | sinhayash | !tea |
| 16:25.41 | gsocbot | sinhayash: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
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| 16:31.28 | jjestrel | How do we do the student participation agreement? |
| 16:31.39 | carols | jjestrel: what do you mean "do" |
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| 16:31.41 | carols | ? |
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| 16:33.28 | jjestrel | org told me: 'Also, remember the student participation agreement and proof of enrolment forms,' so I took that to mean student participation agreement is something that needs completion? |
| 16:33.37 | jjestrel | I have my proof of enrolment submitted & uploaded |
| 16:34.14 | carols | jjestrel: did you fill out a profile? |
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| 16:34.40 | jjestrel | carols: yes |
| 16:34.45 | jjestrel | Missing Blog URL though. |
| 16:34.50 | carols | jjestrel: then you agreed tot he student agreement |
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| 16:35.03 | jjestrel | Oh awesome, I thought so. I'm just panicking because there's hours left. |
| 16:35.10 | carols | have some tea. |
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| 16:35.37 | downey | Ooh tea |
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| 16:35.59 | jjestrel | carols: Not enough time for tea! |
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| 16:36.11 | carols | jjestrel: late for a very important date? |
| 16:36.32 | Ashish92 | anyone who's interested for melange online ? |
| 16:36.39 | carols | Ashish92: #melange |
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| 16:36.48 | jjestrel | My dad returned from his couple month trip to France, so I'm due to go see him. Also I'd rather finish a little early than at the nick of time |
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| 16:37.47 | Ashish92 | carols: thanks |
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| 16:38.44 | carols | yw |
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| 16:44.08 | abdou_bms | guys i've sent my proof of enrollement |
| 16:44.33 | abdou_bms | which is written in frensh do i need to send the transcript of not |
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| 16:44.44 | carols | abdou_bms: that's answered on the instructions |
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| 16:45.44 | abdou_bms | carols: i've found it thanx |
| 16:45.48 | carols | yw |
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| 16:46.21 | cnj | !next |
| 16:46.21 | gsocbot | cnj: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 16:48.33 | gsocbot | kiran: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 16:49.07 | sudat | Is it ok to insert the proposal in pdf rather than wysiwyg? |
| 16:49.16 | carols | sudat: what does your org prefer? |
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| 16:50.28 | krishna_ | i want to be a part of gsoc 2014 |
| 16:50.38 | krishna_ | can anyone please help me |
| 16:50.41 | sudat | carols: they havn't specified, just said to submit it through Google Melange Site |
| 16:50.46 | carols | krishna_: what do you need help with? |
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| 16:51.00 | carols | sudat: well, if you want them to specify you'll have to ask them the specific question :-) |
| 16:51.01 | Beornwulf | krishna_: as a student? you have two hours to get your app in :) |
| 16:51.02 | krishna_ | registration |
| 16:51.11 | carols | krishna_: what's the question? |
| 16:51.16 | krishna_ | yes as a student |
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| 16:51.25 | carols | krishna_: yes, what's the question? |
| 16:51.30 | krishna_ | is enrollment from necessary? |
| 16:51.36 | carols | krishna_: yes |
| 16:51.44 | stack3457_ | done with finishing up the proposal |
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| 16:51.59 | Niharika | can imagine carols´ exasperation |
| 16:52.09 | krishna_ | okay please help me in making up a proposal |
| 16:52.12 | carols | Niharika: ah, nah. it's fun at this point :-) |
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| 16:52.15 | stack3457_ | tea :P |
| 16:52.18 | Niharika | :) |
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| 16:52.20 | carols | krishna_: no, we don't do that. you work with the org to do that |
| 16:52.29 | carols | krishna_: so you'll want to reach out to them. |
| 16:52.33 | s1991 | Hello, I want to know can I edit my proposal after deadline |
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| 16:52.40 | carols | s1991: it depends |
| 16:52.44 | s1991 | on |
| 16:52.48 | carols | s1991: if your org wants you to and lets you |
| 16:52.58 | carols | so assume not |
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| 16:53.13 | s1991 | ok, if they allows me, then how long can I edit |
| 16:53.20 | carols | s1991: as long as they let you |
| 16:53.35 | carols | well, i guess up until 17 april, theoretically |
| 16:53.45 | s1991 | ok, thanks |
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| 16:53.47 | carols | yw |
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| 16:54.16 | sudat | carols: one more thing, the template they have provided doesn't have place to put stuff like: Why I think I'm a good candidate for the project |
| 16:54.23 | sudat | do you think i should provide it anyways? |
| 16:54.25 | carols | sudat: did you ask them about that? |
| 16:54.26 | gsoc_ | Is proposal editable after 3 hours? |
| 16:54.31 | carols | sudat: i don't know, what do they want? |
| 16:54.35 | carols | gsoc_: it depends |
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| 16:55.06 | bonsaiviking | gsoc_: no |
| 16:55.18 | gsoc_ | carols: Upon what? I have submitted it already. Am I able to edit it after 3 hours? |
| 16:55.19 | bonsaiviking | carols: ^^^ That's easier than explaining exceptions. |
| 16:55.30 | carols | gsoc_: only if your org wants you to and lets you |
| 16:55.32 | carols | so you should assume not |
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| 16:55.49 | carols | for the sake of completeness. |
| 16:55.52 | gsoc_ | ok, Thanks for clearing |
| 16:55.57 | carols | cheers |
| 16:57.06 | sudat | carols: No I have only sent them one email regarding my interest in the project thats it. They didn't reply to that. They have provided: Name: E-mail: Web Page/Blog: Academic Background:Summer Commitments: What is the ultimate goal of this project?, Project Plan: |
| 16:57.20 | carols | sudat: has it been more than 48 hours since you sent the email? |
| 16:57.26 | carols | they're not required to respond for 48 hours |
| 16:57.29 | George | Hi I have been unable to access the irc channel for R |
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| 16:57.46 | carols | George: it may be down or having difficulties. these things happen |
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| 16:58.00 | d4rkr4i | carols: does organization get notification/mail when we update our proposal or comment ? |
| 16:58.19 | carols | d4rkr4i: they'll get an update of comments assuming they have notifications turned on. |
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| 16:58.37 | George | Ok thanks, just trying to ensure that the mistake is not on my end. |
| 16:58.40 | carols | cheers |
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| 16:58.44 | d4rkr4i | carols: thanks! |
| 16:58.47 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:00.01 | pandrei | Hello! I was wondering, when I post my proposal on melange. Can I give a link to my proposal in the 'additional info' segment and ask for it to be reviewed there? It's a bit difficult to format it in the given textbox |
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| 17:00.15 | carols | pandrei: what does your org prefer? |
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| 17:00.39 | pandrei | carols: ah, so it's up to them? |
| 17:00.43 | carols | pandrei: yep |
| 17:01.04 | pandrei | carols: thanks! |
| 17:01.09 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:07.02 | TonyF | If I had submitted the proposal, it can declare that my proof of enrollment is correct? |
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| 17:07.19 | carols | TonyF: unless you receive an email from us indicating otherwise. |
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| 17:07.29 | TCD | Is the deadline 00:00 22nd March EST? |
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| 17:07.43 | andralex | it seems some people don't want a decision, they want their decision |
| 17:07.45 | TCD | (Or whichever USA timezone google uses) |
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| 17:07.46 | carols | TCD: the deadline is in this channel's topic |
| 17:08.02 | TonyF | @carols: Thank you, I have checked for a few times |
| 17:08.05 | andralex | and then when that doesn't happen, they conclude their points weren't given enough weight |
| 17:08.08 | carols | cheers |
| 17:08.13 | TCD | Got it, thanks. |
| 17:08.17 | andralex | carols: haha sorry wrong forum :D |
| 17:08.27 | carols | yep |
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| 17:18.31 | xan_ps | hi..on the melange website, copying a table structure from ms word, somehow breaks the table. |
| 17:19.09 | Beornwulf | it would, I expect. the editor in melange uses html, so you can define a table that way |
| 17:19.29 | captn3m0 | You can try exporting to html in word and then copying from there |
| 17:19.54 | d4rkr4i | I initially made my proposal public. Can't I make it private now? I guess the option was there till last year |
| 17:20.08 | carols | d4rkr4i: #melange |
| 17:20.19 | d4rkr4i | carols: ok |
| 17:20.25 | Beornwulf | has been writing theirs in html in notepad++ then copying it across |
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| 17:21.37 | Arthur_D | man we get a lot of bad proposals at the last minute |
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| 17:23.34 | terri | Arthur_D: there are studies of academic success with scientific papers vs the time they were submitted. The sweet spot for when the best papers were submitted was apparently less than 24h from the deadline, but it does go downhill when you get really close. |
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| 17:23.53 | terri | I wouldn't be too surprised if we showed a similar pattern |
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| 17:25.12 | larryxiao | =D |
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| 17:25.14 | pchr8 | terri: nice bit of information, thank you :) |
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| 17:28.22 | stqism | I woke up to emails from students asking me to review proposals |
| 17:28.28 | stqism | A tad late |
| 17:29.04 | Niharika | Nobody betting on how many students come in here asking for an extension tonight? |
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| 17:29.38 | carols | Niharika: i'll start taking a tally |
| 17:29.43 | carols | what's your guess/ |
| 17:29.45 | carols | ? |
| 17:29.51 | Cervator | did the late org count ever get past 1? :-) |
| 17:30.02 | carols | Cervator: it got to 2.5 |
| 17:30.04 | Niharika | Um, I´ll play it safe. 15. |
| 17:30.11 | carols | Niharika: so noted |
| 17:30.12 | meflin | 36 |
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| 17:30.14 | Cervator | oho - still seems low |
| 17:30.24 | Cervator | put me in for 3 students ;-) |
| 17:30.27 | panzone | Niharika: it append so often ? |
| 17:30.32 | carols | Cervator: sure |
| 17:30.37 | stqism | I'll take 5 |
| 17:31.14 | Niharika | panzone: Just a guess. |
| 17:31.22 | carols | alright, i've got all those :-) |
| 17:31.31 | automata | just confirming, I saved my proposal, it generated a public url, I imagine it is properly submitted, right? |
| 17:32.05 | panzone | if you want, i can see it since it is public |
| 17:32.11 | meflin | automata: check under your dashboard as well |
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| 17:32.23 | automata | meflin, it's on my dashboard |
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| 17:32.25 | arrdem | yay RTF paste totally worked! |
| 17:32.25 | chro | hi |
| 17:32.35 | carols | hi chro |
| 17:32.39 | chro | the t-shirts for this year will be made by the same company of last year? |
| 17:32.42 | Arthur_D | a lot of proposals to your orgs too? |
| 17:32.51 | carols | chro: i don't know, we haven't made them yet |
| 17:33.00 | meflin | carols: we did have 1 e request last night not sure if that one counts |
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| 17:33.09 | panzone | tshirt ? |
| 17:33.10 | carols | meflin: a request for an extension? :-) |
| 17:33.12 | chro | Because last year I selected L and it was a bit large |
| 17:33.14 | meflin | yes |
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| 17:33.36 | carols | meflin: well, i'll count that as a .5, since we had an org this year that requested an extension but had already applied |
| 17:33.46 | chro | carols, please don't make t-shirts in red |
| 17:34.02 | carols | chro: i'll note down your request. |
| 17:34.07 | chro | thanks |
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| 17:34.21 | stack3457_ | agree no red tshirt , blue or black :P |
| 17:34.26 | Arthur_D | I liked mine, it was a bit larger than expected but that's probably just American sizes vs European |
| 17:35.00 | panzone | i hope they have american sizes |
| 17:35.04 | meflin | hmm we haven't done green in a while |
| 17:35.21 | carols | meflin: we did green in 2010 |
| 17:35.36 | chro | why not white or black |
| 17:35.36 | Niharika | White, anyone? |
| 17:35.38 | panzone | i' m not little xD |
| 17:35.49 | toso | likes red |
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| 17:36.01 | sinhayash | purple? |
| 17:36.01 | carols | okay, we're shutting down the discussion on the t-shirts. |
| 17:36.05 | VarunAgw | vote for red |
| 17:36.11 | carols | firstly, they're not getting printed for another 3 months |
| 17:36.19 | carols | and secondly, that's not the point of this channel right now |
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| 17:36.29 | carols | have some tea |
| 17:36.33 | carols | serves some tea |
| 17:36.55 | teepee | yay, still new proposals coming in :) |
| 17:37.00 | chro | I would suggest different colors, and then students could pick the color of their choice. OK, now I'm done with this conversation |
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| 17:37.22 | Arthur_D | teepee, tbh I wish we didn't get any still ;) |
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| 17:37.39 | Arthur_D | the late ones are not good usually |
| 17:37.46 | dranzer | #motech |
| 17:37.47 | stqism | teepee: Tell me about it, 17 more while sleeping, I have to look at them in phases |
| 17:37.51 | teepee | Arthur_D: true |
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| 17:39.32 | teepee | stqism: i'm just looking at 2 but including our umbrella org, i've seen 14 today |
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| 17:40.39 | panzone | there are so many last minute proposals ? |
| 17:40.57 | chro | I am starting mine |
| 17:41.00 | chro | I still have 1 hour |
| 17:41.06 | PulkoMandy | yes, more than half of what we get is last-minute :( |
| 17:41.08 | chro | it's an eternity |
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| 17:42.07 | panzone | xD and i tought this year i have less competition |
| 17:42.17 | stqism | carols: Suggestion, buy melange-google.com and redirect it, I accidentally went to that and someone buying it and making a fake melange site to steal students information wouldn't be that hard of a feat |
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| 17:43.26 | sudat | I'm confused by the program timeline |
| 17:43.32 | sudat | what is the community bonding soon period? |
| 17:43.46 | VarunAgw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.50 | Arthur_D | I feel like yelling to someone in the irc channel... he has spammed us with 3 crap proposals so far with no content |
| 17:43.55 | stqism | sudat: It's basically getting to know students and stuff |
| 17:44.36 | stqism | Arthur_D: Heh, I have someone who just asked me in our channel how he signs up |
| 17:45.05 | sudat | stqism: so when specifying my timeline in the proposal, do I disregard this period? |
| 17:45.13 | carols | stqism: okay thanks |
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| 17:45.36 | panzone | sudat: no ? |
| 17:45.42 | stqism | sudat: That is up to you |
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| 17:46.16 | panzone | i will use that period to learning the community guidelines and to design my implementation |
| 17:46.36 | Framedragger | hello. can I change / re-upload the enrollment form later on, if it turns out the current one is not adequate? furthermore, it's likely i'll get better proof a couple of days later, can i assume i'll be able to freely re-upload the new proof when i wish to? |
| 17:46.39 | panzone | one can' t just start writing code xD |
| 17:46.55 | pandrei | carols: if I have submitted a proposal to an org before deadline(uploaded on melange) can I edit it during the next period? |
| 17:46.59 | tierra | panzone is right :) |
| 17:47.00 | aalekhN | just a quick question "is external link to proposal enough or do i need to submit anything else? " |
| 17:47.09 | carols | pandrei: you should assume you wont |
| 17:47.18 | panzone | pandrei: no |
| 17:47.24 | stqism | aalekhN: Depends on the org |
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| 17:47.29 | panzone | after the deadline you cannot modify your proposals anymore |
| 17:47.32 | aalekhN | mine is mediawiki |
| 17:47.33 | stqism | aalekhN: They review your proposal |
| 17:47.43 | stqism | aalekhN: You need to ask them |
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| 17:47.53 | VarunAgw | pandrei, only if your org wants you to and lets you |
| 17:47.55 | panzone | framedragger: i asked the same question |
| 17:47.56 | aalekhN | ok, thanks :) |
| 17:48.21 | panzone | and they told me that you can submit another proof even after the deadline |
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| 17:48.36 | Framedragger | panzone: ah, ok! thanks! |
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| 17:48.46 | pandrei | apparently it's up to the org, but ideally wouldn't happen |
| 17:48.50 | pandrei | thanks ! |
| 17:49.00 | sudat | stqism: sorry if i sound like an idiot, what about community bonding itself? is there a difference between community bonding soon and community bonding? |
| 17:49.02 | meflin | panzone: if there is an issue with your proof you will be contacted |
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| 17:49.27 | stqism | sudat: One means it's soon, it's mostly the time when orgs review stuff |
| 17:50.13 | sudat | stqism: would it be correct, that i write these two periods with the names and then proceed to properly dividing the coding phase? |
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| 17:50.25 | carols | sudat: what does your org want? |
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| 17:51.21 | aps-sids | No. 10 & 11 seem contradictory to me here - http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#10._Can_a_group_apply_for_and_work_on_a |
| 17:51.37 | carols | aps-sids: not in the slightest. |
| 17:52.03 | sudat | carols: I have no idea :( didn't know they had to be contacted regarding this. thought it was up to the student on how he was gonna organize himself |
| 17:52.20 | carols | sudat: well, you're going to have to speak to them, since you're applying to work with *them* |
| 17:52.25 | carols | you're not applying to work for the gsoc channel |
| 17:52.30 | carols | so we can't help you |
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| 17:53.39 | aps-sids | carols: So can two students work on the same project? |
| 17:53.42 | blast007 | sudat: when you say "these two periods", are you still referring to "community bonding soon" and "community bonding"? |
| 17:53.44 | carols | aps-sids: no |
| 17:53.54 | carols | aps-sids: not together |
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| 17:55.48 | darnir | carols: They can independently? |
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| 17:56.23 | carols | darnir: if the org chooses to use two slots to accept two different students who are each working to code a solution to the same problem, that's up to the org and they can choose to do that. |
| 17:56.33 | carols | darnir: but those students can't collaborate as a team in any way |
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| 17:57.50 | sudat | blast007: yes |
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| 17:58.08 | darnir | Hmm.. Like a competition. Just for fun :D |
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| 17:59.00 | edsiper | i am concluding that people loves deadlines |
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| 17:59.05 | VaticanCameos | Not much of a rush here. |
| 17:59.34 | panzone | carols: there is a way to extend the deadline ? |
| 17:59.47 | carols | panzone: that was just a joke, yes? |
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| 18:00.34 | neuro_sys | you can extend it by increasing the discrete amount of divisible time units from this point on to it. |
| 18:00.47 | blast007 | sudat: that's just one period. Dunno where you are seeing the word 'soon', but that just means that the community bonding period will be happing soon (meaning, in a short amount of time from now). |
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| 18:01.07 | panzone | carols: yes, of course. i have just wanted to see the reaction to this request |
| 18:01.15 | carols | panzone: right |
| 18:01.18 | edsiper | haha |
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| 18:01.47 | mrfrozone | Hi there |
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| 18:01.59 | Niharika | Hi mrfrozone. |
| 18:02.08 | mrfrozone | I cannot find the upload link for my enrollment doc |
| 18:02.14 | mrfrozone | can anyone help me? |
| 18:02.34 | panzone | mrfrozone: it is at the end of your profile |
| 18:02.37 | VarunAgw | mrfrozone, It is on the homepage |
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| 18:02.46 | jack2 | if our enrollment doc is not accepted in deadline, will we be allowed to resubmit proper proof or will our proposal be accepted? |
| 18:02.46 | mrfrozone | ya, it should be |
| 18:02.48 | panzone | or the homepage |
| 18:03.02 | carols | jack2: yes, you will be allowed to upload a different one |
| 18:03.11 | jack2 | thank you carols |
| 18:03.11 | bePolite | Are we supposed to chat with a mentors during the review period? |
| 18:03.24 | carols | bePolite: if you want to and they want to. |
| 18:03.43 | bePolite | I just submitted my proposal |
| 18:03.46 | bePolite | Thank God |
| 18:04.03 | bePolite | I mean talk about the GSOC Project |
| 18:04.06 | mrfrozone | I just send a message with my dropbox link |
| 18:04.11 | stqism | bePolite: Man, someones late :) |
| 18:04.23 | jack2 | bePolite haha i know that feeling, i rushed and did it at the last minute. :) |
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| 18:04.41 | bePolite | jack2: NOpe |
| 18:04.45 | bePolite | I did it since |
| 18:04.53 | bePolite | I din't have a proof of enrollment |
| 18:04.54 | mrfrozone | but i have problems with uploading my enrollment form |
| 18:04.58 | bePolite | I go that some few hours ago |
| 18:05.18 | panzone | uh, last hour |
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| 18:05.36 | carols | no countdowns or i will mute the channel and kick you. |
| 18:05.41 | jack2 | yes last hour, incorrect calculation. |
| 18:05.56 | carols | you all have been warned |
| 18:05.58 | jack2 | carols: i don't think he was counting down, he was just correcting me |
| 18:06.04 | panzone | carols: sorry |
| 18:06.09 | carols | no problem |
| 18:07.44 | VaticanCameos | mrfrozone: Love the Incredibles reference. |
| 18:08.02 | jack2 | next year i'm gonna make my own proposal instead of just going with the ones in the suggested project ideas list. |
| 18:08.14 | mrfrozone | can i send the enrollment form to SoC directly? |
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| 18:08.31 | carols | mrfrozone: yes, the way you do that is through melange |
| 18:08.42 | carols | that goes directly to us. |
| 18:08.47 | stqism | jack2: Just don't get too off course :) |
| 18:09.15 | mrfrozone | I think I have trouble submitting the form |
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| 18:09.23 | mrfrozone | I should send via email |
| 18:09.25 | carols | mrfrozone: what's the trouble, then? |
| 18:09.30 | teepee | jack2: hopefully still useful for the org / project |
| 18:09.32 | carols | no, you should absolutely not send it by email |
| 18:09.44 | mrfrozone | the link mentioned is invisible |
| 18:09.51 | mrfrozone | I cannot find it |
| 18:09.51 | carols | mrfrozone: then you should speak to #melange |
| 18:09.53 | mrfrozone | LOL |
| 18:09.57 | mrfrozone | ok |
| 18:09.58 | jack2 | stqism: teepee: i'll discuss it with the organization(s) in advance. |
| 18:10.00 | carols | cheers |
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| 18:10.27 | mrfrozone | thanks! |
| 18:10.28 | chro | It is possible to remove a proposal? |
| 18:10.32 | teepee | jack2: cool, as I've seen at least one completely off topic proposal. that's just strange |
| 18:10.35 | carols | chro: you can withdraw it, yes |
| 18:10.46 | panzone | mrfrozone: just tu be sure: are you sure to have registered as a student and not as a mentor ? |
| 18:10.55 | stqism | teepee: Reading one right now, it's kinda fin |
| 18:10.56 | stqism | fun |
| 18:11.32 | mrfrozone | yes I am pretty sure! |
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| 18:12.37 | teepee | stqism: for that one I just stopped reading after the title proposing a facebook client |
| 18:12.40 | carols | mrfrozone: if you're sure then the button will be on the front page. |
| 18:12.42 | carols | for sure. |
| 18:12.51 | darnir | teepee: That has to be fun.. |
| 18:12.58 | mrfrozone | LOL |
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| 18:13.24 | stqism | teepee: We have a really great one, we're busy picking apart the guys proposed methods in our developer channel :P |
| 18:13.39 | sprinf | the document editor in melange is bolding my proposal without me doing so |
| 18:14.08 | carols | sprinf: you can fix the HTML. or file a bug with tinymce. |
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| 18:14.52 | sprinf | well that that will alter my propoal still |
| 18:14.56 | sprinf | *proposal |
| 18:15.02 | carols | sprinf: indeed it will. |
| 18:15.12 | carols | in order to change something you must alter it. |
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| 18:15.41 | dberkholz | carols: curious roughly how many total proposals there are so far? |
| 18:16.02 | carols | dberkholz: all proposals, or without withdrawn/ignored proposals? |
| 18:16.20 | stqism | carols: dberkholz Oh, how many total? Like all |
| 18:16.21 | dberkholz | carols: probably the former. looking for a number to compare with !numapps |
| 18:16.33 | dberkholz | carols: er, s/former/latter/ |
| 18:16.44 | carols | the two of you want both numbers, i see. |
| 18:17.06 | jack2 | carols: how many total proposals that are active (don't include ones that are withdrawn/ignored) |
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| 18:17.31 | carols | dberkholz: jack2: 5509 |
| 18:17.37 | carols | stqism: 5746 |
| 18:17.40 | dberkholz | good to know, thanks! |
| 18:17.44 | stqism | Perfect |
| 18:17.44 | carols | yw |
| 18:17.52 | dberkholz | guess our ideas just suck this year |
| 18:18.01 | panzone | uh, that is interesting, just to know how many competition there is |
| 18:18.01 | dberkholz | in terms of whatever students actually wanted to do |
| 18:18.17 | jack2 | thanks carols! now how many students submitted these proposals? because there are at least 5 allowed per student. |
| 18:18.24 | stqism | dberkholz: What are your stats? |
| 18:18.31 | carols | can we do this after proposals close? |
| 18:18.38 | carols | i don't need to be loading lists every 5minutes |
| 18:18.46 | stqism | Okay, carols has a point |
| 18:18.47 | sprinf | I can't unerstand the HTML |
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| 18:18.51 | sprinf | But no problem |
| 18:18.57 | dberkholz | stqism: we have a little over half as many proposals as last year |
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| 18:19.02 | sprinf | I will just write a complain at the end of the application |
| 18:19.12 | stqism | dberkholz: I don't know that number either :( |
| 18:19.26 | jack2 | ok, no problem. |
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| 18:21.17 | rip | how many slots does gsoc have this year? |
| 18:21.18 | sprinf | Now its time for prayers |
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| 18:21.33 | carols | rip: that's answered in the FAQs. |
| 18:21.38 | panzone | sprinf: i know that feel |
| 18:21.50 | Niharika | Nah, sprinf. That´ll be at the time of results. :P |
| 18:22.07 | VarunAgw | is very curious to know how many students submitted how many proposals for how many projects this year |
| 18:22.30 | stqism | !faq |
| 18:22.30 | gsocbot | stqism: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 18:23.05 | jack2 | lets not ask for stats until it's all over. |
| 18:23.16 | darnir | !numapps |
| 18:23.16 | gsocbot | darnir: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
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| 18:24.03 | darnir | So we're close. But given that more number of students are likely to be accepted, the ratios are down. |
| 18:24.20 | catallman | jack2: thank you :) |
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| 18:26.08 | panzone | darnir: how many proposal have GNU received, if it is possible to know ? |
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| 18:27.14 | blast007 | panzone: ask them after it's over |
| 18:27.26 | panzone | just to understand if i have some chances ( yes, i know that the proposal quality is my best shot ) |
| 18:27.38 | Akhilesh | are the selected participants are informed befor 21 april |
| 18:27.42 | panzone | blast007: sure, i' m sorry |
| 18:27.43 | croozeus | Hi carols |
| 18:27.51 | stqism | Akhilesh: It's on the timeline |
| 18:28.25 | darnir | What blast said. |
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| 18:28.56 | darnir | Also, GNU has a large number of subprojects. It acts as an umbrella for them, so don't go by number of applications |
| 18:29.02 | tierra | panzone: also, knowing that number doesn't really give you any idea about your chances of being accepted anyway |
| 18:29.04 | Akhilesh | yeah it is . . .but any way how many students are trying for same organization |
| 18:29.10 | carols | hi croozeus |
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| 18:29.38 | croozeus | carols: is it ok to reveal to students (after deadline) how many proposals are received in total? |
| 18:29.55 | carols | croozeus: um, you mean for the whole program? or you mean for a particular org? |
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| 18:30.15 | croozeus | carols: for our org I mean.. |
| 18:30.29 | carols | croozeus: sure, of course. that's entirely your prerogative |
| 18:30.38 | panzone | tierra: i know that proposal quality is the more important thing and it isn' t a matter of luck |
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| 18:30.53 | carols | croozeus: also you prerogative whether you tell students how many slots you end of getting or now |
| 18:30.55 | carols | *not |
| 18:31.06 | croozeus | carols: thanks for the clarifications :) |
| 18:31.10 | carols | cheers |
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| 18:32.02 | downey | carols: currently 2% spam |
| 18:32.07 | Slurpee | Any other org admins having a difficult time verifying and assigning mentors to last minute proposal uploads? |
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| 18:32.13 | carols | downey: well.. |
| 18:32.17 | downey | carols: Not bad. :) |
| 18:32.22 | carols | downey: there's only so much i can do. |
| 18:32.25 | stqism | carols: Being a newer org, and a bit of an umbrella for our projects, could we put any faith in the number of proposals received? |
| 18:32.36 | carols | stqism: what do you mean "faith"? |
| 18:32.42 | downey | carols: You mean you can't personally harness the superhuman power of Google? |
| 18:33.01 | carols | downey: even if i could, what would i be using it for in this case? :-) |
| 18:33.16 | stqism | carols: Blessings of the prediction of numbers from the GSoC org overlords? |
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| 18:33.27 | carols | stqism: i make no such predictions |
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| 18:34.06 | stqism | carols: As I expected, though the 2012 faq somewhere did state that student allocation is partially based off popularity |
| 18:34.13 | pbanaszkiewicz | carols: would you consider for the next year introducing "What's changed" information? For example, in 2013 non US students couldn't check their cards balance online and the list of countries receiving t-shirts expanded. In 2014, we have to provide proof-of-enrollment a priori |
| 18:34.17 | carols | stqism: that was the case. in 2012. |
| 18:34.32 | carols | pbanaszkiewicz: sure, i will consider it |
| 18:34.39 | stqism | carols: <carols> croozeus: also you prerogative whether you tell students how many slots you end of getting or no |
| 18:34.50 | carols | stqism: was there a question in there? |
| 18:35.13 | stqism | carols: Does our popularity play a factor, despite being new? |
| 18:35.19 | carols | stqism: no |
| 18:35.26 | pbanaszkiewicz | carols: thanks - one more question. Will students summit in CA happen or not? |
| 18:35.26 | stqism | Awwwh |
| 18:35.38 | carols | pbanaszkiewicz: you mean the mentor summit student reunion? |
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| 18:35.53 | pbanaszkiewicz | yeah |
| 18:35.56 | carols | pbanaszkiewicz: yes, it's in california. |
| 18:36.18 | pbanaszkiewicz | carols: do you have any links with more information? |
| 18:36.23 | carols | pbanaszkiewicz: nope |
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| 18:36.31 | pbanaszkiewicz | thanks anyway :) |
| 18:36.39 | carols | you'll get them as soon as i have them myself :-) |
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| 18:36.47 | carols | i'm focused on a few other important matters right now |
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| 18:38.43 | darnir | has questions about the student/mentor summit, but will spare carols for now |
| 18:38.44 | VarunAgw | Are T-Shirt and certificate delivered before or after the coding period? |
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| 18:38.55 | carols | darnir: i imagine they're all questions i have myself. |
| 18:39.00 | carols | VarunAgw: after |
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| 18:39.13 | carols | and only if you've passed all your evaluations and submitted your code sample |
| 18:40.03 | darnir | carols: Just out of curiosity, has it ever happened that a student passed all evaluations but failed because (s)he did not submit a code sample? |
| 18:40.18 | carols | darnir: probably. i haven't been running this program all 10 years |
| 18:40.25 | carols | so i have no idea what happened before i was here |
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| 18:40.50 | darnir | I know. Just wondered if you know. Such cases I think might be the seeds of folklore in the office :D |
| 18:40.53 | pchr8 | "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." (sorry for copypasting) |
| 18:41.03 | pchr8 | How will I know if my proof is not okay? |
| 18:41.13 | carols | pchr8: if it's not you'll be contacted by us |
| 18:41.21 | downey | carols: I assume that means it hasn't happened in your era? :) |
| 18:41.45 | darnir | Oh, the era of carols! :D |
| 18:41.48 | carols | downey: not that i'm aware of. most students who pass both evaluations aren't the type to *not* upload the code they've already spent all summer working on |
| 18:42.05 | downey | carols: Yeah, it'd be surprising. But GSoC is full of surprises. :-) |
| 18:42.07 | pchr8 | carols: I see, thank you |
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| 18:42.19 | carols | downey: there are lots of surprises. but none in that category |
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| 18:42.43 | downey | This is the hour of the year where we get surprise proposals from people our org has never heard from before :-) |
| 18:42.52 | carols | downey: us too :-) |
| 18:43.03 | downey | every few minutes it seems :D |
| 18:43.09 | stqism | downey: 10 in the past half hour ;_; |
| 18:43.10 | terri | my favourite are the ones for projects we've never heard of before. |
| 18:43.14 | PulkoMandy | seems quiet here |
| 18:43.18 | terri | even got one for a sub-org who wasn't participating with us this year. |
| 18:43.19 | PulkoMandy | or maybe my mailserver crashed |
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| 18:43.50 | VarunAgw | I don't get why everyone wait for the deadline |
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| 18:44.09 | VarunAgw | to submit their proposal |
| 18:44.12 | carols | VarunAgw: me either. |
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| 18:44.29 | panzone | varunagw: because we are students |
| 18:44.32 | downey | VarunAgw: It's quite risky! |
| 18:44.34 | darnir | We got a mixed one. Half the proposal was for some other org, the other half was for us. :D |
| 18:44.35 | neuro_sys | procrastination pandemic |
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| 18:44.46 | VarunAgw | darnir, LOL |
| 18:45.17 | downey | I can't always review the last minute proposals fast enough to make sure people are following our application template so we can fairly evaluate them. (Often, they don't, so we can't.) |
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| 18:45.31 | VarunAgw | panzone, Student == Always late? Why? |
| 18:45.41 | carols | downey: not your problem.... |
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| 18:45.52 | downey | carols: Nope. I do my best; that's all I can do. :-) |
| 18:45.53 | andrei__ | carols: out of curiosity, does the proposal submission system have versioning? |
| 18:46.04 | carols | andrei__: nope |
| 18:46.08 | carols | would you like to submit a patch? |
| 18:46.10 | mrfrozone1 | thank ou guys |
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| 18:46.13 | carols | its our most requested feature |
| 18:46.14 | mrfrozone1 | all set |
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| 18:47.25 | andrei__ | Oh, I see Melange is participating to GSoC as well |
| 18:47.38 | carols | andrei__: of course. melange is a GSoc project! |
| 18:47.40 | downey | carols: gsocbot doesn't have a !command for that request url? :) |
| 18:47.44 | downey | !versioning |
| 18:47.58 | carols | well |
| 18:48.05 | carols | should we call the factoid "versioning"? |
| 18:48.13 | carols | the issue is called "diff or track changes" |
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| 18:48.28 | downey | andrei__: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=515 :-) |
| 18:48.29 | panzone | VarunAgw: because we always attend the last moment for our works |
| 18:48.31 | warthog9 | offers up some Ontario ice wine tea |
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| 18:48.38 | carols | thanks warthog9 |
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| 18:49.05 | edsiper | 11 minutes, finally |
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| 18:49.18 | carols | edsiper: no countdowns |
| 18:49.27 | carols | or i'll mute the channel |
| 18:49.31 | andrei__ | haha |
| 18:49.37 | edsiper | haha ok |
| 18:49.39 | DarfDingleMan | I saw on some guys blog if you get accepted to the sock-hop you get a pre-paid VISA? |
| 18:49.42 | VarunAgw | Don't start countdown. I remembered the last. Someone was kicked :) |
| 18:49.50 | downey | !learn diff as The most requested new feature for Melange is 'Diff or track changes for student proposal updates' at http://goo.gl/QygJZO |
| 18:49.51 | gsocbot | downey: "diff" is The most requested new feature for Melange is 'Diff or track changes for student proposal updates' at http://goo.gl/QygJZO |
| 18:49.54 | carols | DarfDingleMan: yes, there is a stipend paid through a pre-paid card |
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| 18:50.02 | _8_8_8_8 | seems legit.. no one did countdown on new year and why now .! |
| 18:50.11 | CFS-MP3 | carols I'll be happy to write a patch for versioning myself if it gives our project an extra 1% chance of landing an additional student :-) |
| 18:50.16 | DarfDingleMan | carols: do you know if Canadians get it in CAD? |
| 18:50.25 | carols | CFS-MP3: what? |
| 18:50.28 | carols | i don't know what you mean |
| 18:50.37 | carols | DarfDingleMan: why don't we discuss that when and if you're accepted? |
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| 18:50.48 | l0rd_hex | DarfDingleMan: we are paid in seal meat |
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| 18:50.56 | Slurpee | less than 10 minutes to go and the proposals keeps coming in. lol |
| 18:51.04 | darnir | carols: That seems like a fair deal. Take it. CFS-MP3 writes versioning for melange, and in return they get a 1% higher chance of an extra slot |
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| 18:51.11 | DarfDingleMan | carols: I need to know how much liquor I can buy right meow :) |
| 18:51.24 | DarfDingleMan | actually the exchange rate is fuggin' terrible atm |
| 18:51.26 | darnir | Slurpee: Proposals are pouring in like there's no tomorrow. |
| 18:51.29 | stqism | DarfDingleMan: Why would you stop |
| 18:51.30 | carols | DarfDingleMan: do you have money to buy liquor? that's how much you have |
| 18:51.38 | CFS-MP3 | carols you asked if someone would add the versioning feature to melange, didn't you? |
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| 18:51.59 | carols | CFS-MP3: indeed i did. i actually don't care since it doesn't affect me at all, but lots of people seem to want it :-) |
| 18:52.21 | edsiper | we got 11 new proposals in the last 12 hours |
| 18:52.36 | l0rd_hex | What kind of projects did people apply for? |
| 18:52.48 | l0rd_hex | tried for 3 with OpenBSD |
| 18:52.50 | stqism | edsiper: That's my half hour, and those proposals sucked. |
| 18:52.59 | edsiper | yep |
| 18:53.01 | edsiper | indeed |
| 18:53.05 | CFS-MP3 | edsiper good ones? We also got a few today but all of them are quite rushed |
| 18:53.09 | edsiper | even worse, 70% of them wanted feedback! |
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| 18:53.27 | groundnuty | olly: you here? |
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| 18:53.43 | edsiper | CFS-MP3, someone of them are good, but cannot compare quality for those students who applied earlier and got feedback |
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| 18:53.54 | downey | Heh. |
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| 18:55.52 | l0rd_hex | Is there a total proposal counter? |
| 18:56.00 | l0rd_hex | over 9.... thousand? |
| 18:56.04 | carols | l0rd_hex: sure, i'll let you know once the deadline passes. |
| 18:56.21 | groundnuty | I just submited mine so its growing |
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| 18:56.44 | l0rd_hex | carols: cool,thanks, no biggie just curious |
| 18:56.48 | carols | cheers |
| 18:56.49 | l0rd_hex | groundnuty: what did you apply to |
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| 18:56.51 | l0rd_hex | ? |
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| 18:56.57 | groundnuty | l0rd_hex: https://gsoc.ccm.sickkids.ca/GoogleSummerOfCode/Development+of+machine+learning+methods+for+modeling+the+evolution+of+tumors+in+C-Cpp2014 |
| 18:57.00 | Slurpee | We're at 47 proposals. |
| 18:57.18 | l0rd_hex | groundnuty: 404'in |
| 18:57.38 | l0rd_hex | groundnuty: looks like an interesting project (based on URL :) ) |
| 18:58.02 | groundnuty | l0rd_hex: http://pastie.org/8957192 |
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| 18:58.07 | _8_8_8_8 | should have used goo.gly |
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| 18:58.15 | downey | Wow, we really have students submitting links to blank Google Docs and wiki pages as their "proposal". |
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| 18:58.28 | chro | Can I withdraw a proposal after the deadline? |
| 18:58.43 | groundnuty | l0rd_hex: let me, say I decided to join gosc 4 days ago and wriing a proposal for this one was hell |
| 18:58.52 | meflin | downey: we had one that linked to our own idea's page :D and thats it |
| 18:59.04 | l0rd_hex | that looks really interesting |
| 18:59.08 | _8_8_8_8 | groundnuty: hell ? what if you got in ? |
| 18:59.09 | tierra | chro: I think so, but if not, just leave a comment saying you're no longer interested |
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| 18:59.10 | l0rd_hex | I'm just taking algorithms now |
| 18:59.13 | chro | what about the opposite? |
| 18:59.27 | l0rd_hex | but I follow the U of Alberta's poker project pretty closely |
| 19:00.00 | groundnuty | _8_8_8_8, l0rd_hex: the work on it will be great, but writing a decent propocal required gaining much medical and statistical background that I did not have |
| 19:00.03 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Students for GSoC 2014 will be announced on 21 April at 19:00 UTC, see the program timeline: http://goo.gl/Anraxm for more info | The Google Summer of Code 2014 mentoring orgs list is at: http://goo.gl/Qx6xLC |
| 19:00.08 | _8_8_8_8 | gong |
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| 19:00.12 | carols | !forget next |
| 19:00.14 | gsocbot | carols: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:00.40 | carols | !learn next as Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:00.41 | gsocbot | carols: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:00.43 | l0rd_hex | groundnuty: find(tumor) |
| 19:00.46 | Slurpee | yay |
| 19:00.48 | sidthekid | !next |
| 19:00.50 | gsocbot | sidthekid: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:00.51 | croozeus | !next |
| 19:00.52 | gsocbot | croozeus: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 19:01.44 | groundnuty | l0rd_hex: understandign the article they cite required 2 days work |
| 19:01.55 | groundnuty | so really hard work |
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| 19:02.01 | stqism | carols: Can we get the final count now? :) |
| 19:02.12 | VarunAgw | Whar are the stats for this year? How many students submitted how many proposals for many projects? |
| 19:02.18 | carols | stqism: could you please have a cup of tea and hold your horses? |
| 19:02.23 | carols | i am one person going as fast as i can |
| 19:02.31 | warthog9 | gives stqism some ice wine tea |
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| 19:02.38 | l0rd_hex | carols: I'm strickly a whiskey man :) |
| 19:02.39 | stqism | carols: I will, though this blog post is staring at me. |
| 19:02.40 | bonsaiviking | why does the final count really matter anyway? |
| 19:02.41 | stqism | :) |
| 19:02.49 | gevaerts | stqism: surely we need to have five complaints about proposals not being accepted any more first? |
| 19:02.53 | carols | bonsaiviking: that's a really good question. |
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| 19:03.08 | gevaerts | It's not *really* closed until people complain about it! |
| 19:03.21 | stqism | gevaerts: Oh, right :P |
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| 19:03.39 | kunal | hi the deadline ended |
| 19:03.46 | darnir | Yes kunal |
| 19:03.49 | darnir | We all know. |
| 19:03.58 | kunal | and i was just about to upload the proposal |
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| 19:04.08 | _8_8_8_8 | one can still edit the proposal but can't submit anymore proposal |
| 19:04.11 | kunal | can i do anything about it ? |
| 19:04.13 | l0rd_hex | kunal: you have 365 days :) |
| 19:04.21 | ankush92 | lol |
| 19:04.26 | stqism | gevaerts: i++; i++; |
| 19:04.40 | _vatsalj_ | lol |
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| 19:05.04 | kunal | so we cant do anything about it ? |
| 19:05.08 | kunal | nothing at all ? |
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| 19:05.16 | VarunAgw | no |
| 19:05.18 | stqism | kunal: Nothing at all |
| 19:05.20 | carols | !numapps |
| 19:05.20 | darnir | gevaerts: 1 down. :D |
| 19:05.20 | carols | ii think that's 1. |
| 19:05.20 | carols | !numapps |
| 19:05.20 | carols | sad bot is sad |
| 19:05.20 | gsocbot | carols: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 19:05.21 | gsocbot | carols: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
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| 19:06.05 | l0rd_hex | kunal: submit a propsal for the "Flux Capacitor" |
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| 19:07.00 | pchr8 | it would be interesting to plot the number of apps sent on the t axis, and see if there are any interesting patterns |
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| 19:07.32 | wram | poor kunal |
| 19:07.32 | danillonunes | hey guys, I finished writting my proposal literally in the last minute, but the page says its closed before I could submit it, there’s something I can do now? |
| 19:07.46 | _8_8_8_8 | that's 2 |
| 19:07.48 | ankesh11 | Make that 2. |
| 19:07.50 | gevaerts | danillonunes: no |
| 19:08.06 | danillonunes | oh :( |
| 19:08.18 | edsiper | danillonunes, next year (if it runs) |
| 19:08.21 | l0rd_hex | danillonunes: keep it for next year! |
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| 19:08.41 | VaticanCameos | l0rd_hex: what about a proposal for the hoverboard? |
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| 19:08.50 | edsiper | danillonunes, try to make the project anyways and contact the organization, as a volunteer of course. That did one student of us a year ago |
| 19:09.21 | VarunAgw | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.21 | panzone | this month will be really long |
| 19:09.33 | carols | kblin: you around? |
| 19:09.33 | carols | kunal: nothing at all. |
| 19:09.33 | carols | nothing to be done. |
| 19:09.33 | carols | have some tea. |
| 19:09.33 | carols | there we go |
| 19:09.45 | danillonunes | ok, thanks gevaerts edsiper l0rd_hex :) |
| 19:09.48 | andrei__ | carols: do you have a 'macro' for that? :)) |
| 19:09.58 | l0rd_hex | VaticanCameos: not slated until 2015 |
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| 19:10.06 | kunal | nyways |
| 19:10.12 | kunal | guys all the best (y) |
| 19:10.17 | carols | !forget numapps |
| 19:10.17 | carols | sigh |
| 19:10.19 | gsocbot | carols: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:10.40 | l0rd_hex | gsocbot: !pay l0rd_hex in tacos |
| 19:10.49 | gokussjx | !pay |
| 19:10.53 | gevaerts | !this cookie | l0rd_hex |
| 19:10.53 | gsocbot | l0rd_hex: "this cookie" is for you |
| 19:11.03 | gokussjx | whoa |
| 19:11.11 | carols | slow bot is slow |
| 19:11.11 | carols | danillonunes: nope nothing at all |
| 19:11.11 | gokussjx | !this cookie | gokussjx |
| 19:11.12 | gsocbot | gokussjx: "this cookie" is for you |
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| 19:11.25 | carols | you can have some tea |
| 19:11.25 | carols | serves some more tea |
| 19:11.26 | mudler | a student of mine hit the submit proposal button, was just trying to fill up the field but the form disappeared, nothing could be done for that? |
| 19:11.34 | carols | andrei__: macro? i don't understand. |
| 19:11.34 | carols | !learn numapps as In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 19:11.34 | pchr8 | !this cat | someunexistingnick |
| 19:11.34 | gsocbot | pchr8: Error: No such user. |
| 19:11.35 | gsocbot | carols: "numapps" is In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 19:11.43 | sbatista | carol, i am with kunal :( can i get some tea too? |
| 19:11.44 | carols | mudler: nothing can be done |
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| 19:11.51 | carols | sbatista: sure |
| 19:11.52 | carols | that's 3 |
| 19:11.58 | sbatista | I hit the proposal button too late.. |
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| 19:12.00 | downey | carols: Interesting, less students but more proposals. |
| 19:12.01 | sbatista | damn me.. |
| 19:12.04 | VarunAgw | yay numapps |
| 19:12.11 | downey | !tea | sbatista |
| 19:12.11 | gsocbot | sbatista: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 19:12.14 | carols | downey: well you know what's really interesting? |
| 19:12.14 | l0rd_hex | gevaerts: thanks :) |
| 19:12.20 | l0rd_hex | !whiskey |
| 19:12.26 | carols | downey: we had more *registrants* than we've ever had before |
| 19:12.34 | downey | carols: Does that include the number of "ignored" proposals? |
| 19:12.36 | carols | l0rd_hex: can you knock it off with the bot, please? |
| 19:12.37 | carols | thanks |
| 19:12.43 | carols | downey: it does |
| 19:12.45 | carols | that's everything |
| 19:12.51 | downey | carols: Does that mean that a large number didn't submit any proposals? |
| 19:12.53 | mudler | carols: thanks for the answer, that's a shame :( |
| 19:12.55 | l0rd_hex | carols: sorry :) |
| 19:12.58 | carols | downey: correct |
| 19:13.01 | carols | cheers |
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| 19:13.07 | downey | carols: It'd be interesting to see # ignored 2013 vs 2014 |
| 19:13.18 | carols | downey: sure, file a request :-) |
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| 19:13.31 | downey | carols: An e-mail request? Melange request? |
| 19:13.42 | sbatista | I deserve it though..shouldnt have left it for the last moment..lesson being processed.. |
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| 19:13.54 | carols | downey: well, whichever you think is likely to produce the result you want |
| 19:13.56 | sudat | is there a way to know how many people have applied? |
| 19:14.11 | downey | looks into his crystal ball to envision carols magical admin screens |
| 19:14.17 | sudat | what is the rejection like |
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| 19:14.24 | sudat | rate* |
| 19:14.25 | danillonunes | carols yeah, thanks :) I forgot the deadline was today :( but it’s ok, I will do it next year |
| 19:14.44 | gevaerts | downey: you could just run a melange instance and look :) |
| 19:14.55 | downey | gevaerts: The crystal ball is much more fun |
| 19:15.01 | downey | gevaerts: and fanciful |
| 19:15.06 | dberkholz | carols: that's >10% of apps in the last 45 minutes, if i read it right |
| 19:15.18 | carols | dberkholz: the melange folks could answer that, not me |
| 19:15.28 | carols | i just post the numbers. |
| 19:15.37 | dberkholz | carols: you did answer it, when i asked 45 minutes before the deadline and you gave me a different number =) |
| 19:15.44 | carols | dberkholz: cool |
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| 19:16.24 | panzone | 6313 proposal ? |
| 19:16.38 | ankesh11 | panzone: That's right. |
| 19:16.56 | panzone | but like an half an hour ago there wasn' t 5900 ? |
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| 19:17.15 | carols | panzone: amazing the power of procrastination. |
| 19:17.42 | dberkholz | 5746 (without removing any) at 1817 utc, 6313 is what carols just sent to the bot as the final number. so yeah, 567 in the meanwhile |
| 19:17.44 | meflin | the glass might be half full but why measure just drink the tea :D |
| 19:18.03 | downey | carols: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2137 |
| 19:18.04 | Shreedhar | I submitted my proposal an hour before.... how to I verify it that it was uploaded on GSoc successfully...? |
| 19:18.15 | panzone | i' m quite surprise |
| 19:18.19 | carols | Shreedhar: do you see it in your dashboard? |
| 19:18.42 | carols | downey: i love how you managed to slip in "desirable" in there |
| 19:19.01 | Shreedhar | I can see it... but when not able to click on it to view it... |
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| 19:19.08 | dberkholz | oh nice, we did get one last proposal. |
| 19:19.11 | carols | Shreedhar: #melange can help you |
| 19:19.13 | panzone | of course, if i made my proposal public, i can use the public url even now, no ? |
| 19:19.24 | dberkholz | shame it's untargeted spam |
| 19:19.26 | downey | carols: wow i did? must have been subconscious. (seriously) |
| 19:19.32 | carols | downey: uh-huh. |
| 19:19.35 | sbatista | danillonunes, kunal and all the other losers to procrastination like us, don't trash your proposals, sure it would have been nice to be under gsoc, but after writing the proposals and thinking about the project, we should contribute anyways. ;-) |
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| 19:19.47 | downey | carols: MDO has changed my whole outlook on life and gsoc |
| 19:19.51 | meflin | carols: we aim to meme |
| 19:19.52 | downey | (apparently) |
| 19:19.54 | carols | downey: apparently! |
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| 19:20.52 | downey | http://i.imgur.com/74FQwZB.jpg |
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| 19:21.33 | VarunAgw | wants some most desirable tea |
| 19:21.48 | catallman | downey: *love* that. |
| 19:21.49 | danillonunes | sbatista my one is already saved in Evernote for next year :) |
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| 19:21.56 | downey | Hi catallman ! |
| 19:22.01 | sbatista | downey: going for a beer now instead, works better for me ;) |
| 19:22.01 | catallman | hi :) |
| 19:22.12 | meflin | downey: perhaps that should be a factoid on the bot ;) |
| 19:22.20 | gevaerts | No! |
| 19:22.38 | gevaerts | These so-called "meme" things need to die out, they don't need help spreading! |
| 19:22.38 | downey | !tea | meflin |
| 19:22.38 | gsocbot | meflin: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 19:22.39 | meflin | well it would need words as well |
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| 19:23.05 | panzone | uh, it seems that i' m the only student from my university |
| 19:23.20 | gevaerts | panzone: how can you know that? |
| 19:23.21 | downey | panzone: How do you know that? |
| 19:23.33 | panzone | asking around |
| 19:23.35 | stqism | I really don't enjoy the whole "" is {text} format the bot does, tea doesn't feel smooth enough |
| 19:23.46 | Guest94623 | panzone: you can't possibly know that unless you're one of the GSOC admins. |
| 19:23.46 | warthog9 | gevaerts: but... https://code.google.com/p/most-desirable-org/wiki/GSoC2014#Automatic_GSoC_Meme_Generator |
| 19:23.57 | Shreedhar | @carrols ... no 1s responding on #melange...! |
| 19:24.06 | carols | Shreedhar: how long has it been since you asked? |
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| 19:24.11 | carols | they have 48 hours to respond. |
| 19:24.12 | stqism | Shreedhar: They've got 48 hours to respond |
| 19:24.14 | gevaerts | warthog9: I'll counter with https://code.google.com/p/most-desirable-org/wiki/GSoC2014#Fix_the_internet,_starting_with_the_%22meme%22_misundersta |
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| 19:24.20 | dberkholz | hugs carols |
| 19:24.26 | carols | thanks dberkholz :-) |
| 19:24.41 | warthog9 | geetakshi: touche |
| 19:24.48 | warthog9 | gevaerts: touche |
| 19:25.00 | Shreedhar | @carollsohkk... I am worried if my proposal doesn't gets submitted |
| 19:25.01 | stqism | gevaerts: I still don't get how we can accept the most desirable students AND the most desirable mentors, when the students are mentors |
| 19:25.10 | stqism | gevaerts: Or something |
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| 19:25.26 | stqism | gevaerts: It's like a desirable conflict |
| 19:25.28 | carols | Shreedhar: well, the people who can help you with your proposal are the melange developers. the only person who can help you with the worry is yourself. |
| 19:25.51 | Guest94623 | and the only people who can help with deadline extension are the admins here. ;) |
| 19:26.10 | carols | Guest94623: you mean the lack of deadline extension, right? |
| 19:26.23 | VarunAgw | Shreedhar, Isn't it showing at Sidebar->My Dashboad->My Proposals? |
| 19:26.25 | Shreedhar | @carolls haha... ok ...ill wait...! |
| 19:26.42 | Guest94623 | carols: right |
| 19:26.46 | carols | cheers |
| 19:26.57 | Shreedhar | Its showing but if I click on it I am not able to view it... |
| 19:27.05 | achal | I have a query. People are commenting on my proposal and I got notifications about it. If I replied back by commenting there, do they get the notification? |
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| 19:27.14 | VarunAgw | Try clearing cache, cookie,... |
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| 19:27.19 | carols | achal: yes, if they have notifications turned on. |
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| 19:27.56 | achal | ok, notifications are not turned on automatically? |
| 19:28.07 | achal | once they comment |
| 19:28.12 | carols | achal: they are turned on automatically. some people turn them off. |
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| 19:28.31 | tierra | heh... we saw 7 new proposals in the last 12 hours for one of my orgs; 1 was definitely spam, and 5 out of the other 6 were for the same idea (which up until yesterday, had only accounted for 2 proposals out of about 15) |
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| 19:28.59 | Rishant | Best of luck to everyone |
| 19:29.06 | achal | carol: okay, thanks. |
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| 19:29.19 | sam_coder | carols: can you help me about proposals |
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| 19:29.25 | carols | sam_coder: maybe |
| 19:29.31 | carols | it depends on the question |
| 19:29.40 | panzone | rishant: i hope i don' t have to depend from my luck otherwise i' m doomed |
| 19:29.46 | tariq786 | carol. I had a problem submitting proposal on melange |
| 19:29.58 | carols | tariq786: then you should ask the #melange developers. |
| 19:29.59 | sam_coder | actually i need to edit my proposal for gsoc |
| 19:30.01 | VarunAgw | tierra, Was it forms plugin? just curious |
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| 19:30.13 | tierra | VarunAgw: wasn't for WP |
| 19:30.16 | carols | sam_coder: your org can choose to let you edit it, otherwise if they don't want you to, you can't. |
| 19:30.20 | VarunAgw | oops |
| 19:30.38 | sam_coder | how will i go about in contacting my org |
| 19:30.40 | tariq786 | At the last minute i submitted my proposal where enrollment form should have been submitted |
| 19:30.49 | downey | 17% of our proposals were submitted or edited in the last 15 minutes. :-) |
| 19:30.51 | carols | sam_coder: through any of their preferred communication methods |
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| 19:31.19 | sam_coder | any specific irc or channel for this? |
| 19:31.27 | Rishant | @carols |
| 19:31.35 | carols | Rishant: yes? |
| 19:31.44 | sam_coder | do i have to inform my mentor? |
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| 19:31.49 | tariq786 | carol, will my proposal be available to view by mentoring organization |
| 19:32.02 | Rishant | Will all the projects in an org be assigned some student ? |
| 19:32.03 | carols | tariq786: i don't know... |
| 19:32.09 | formosa_hare | may i ask something... my Proposal was sent, but a warning text shown "This page is inactive after 2014.03.12 19:00" |
| 19:32.17 | formosa_hare | so did i make it anyway? |
| 19:32.21 | downey | carols: Any feeling whether or not orgs should let students edit their proposals if said submitted proposal was blank? ;-) |
| 19:32.22 | tariq786 | any suggestion on what should i do |
| 19:32.28 | carols | Rishant: maybe. depends on the org, how many projects, how many slots they get, etc etc. it's hard to say. |
| 19:32.43 | _8_8_8_8 | that's 4 |
| 19:32.45 | carols | downey: you want my personal opinion or my judgement as a program admin? |
| 19:32.53 | downey | carols: Either one. :) |
| 19:32.53 | sam_coder | carols:? |
| 19:33.10 | carols | downey: my personal opinion: of course not. as a program admin: it's entirely your choice. |
| 19:33.15 | carols | sam_coder: what's the question? |
| 19:33.17 | sam_coder | carols:do i have to inform my mentor? |
| 19:33.28 | carols | sam_coder: inform them of what? |
| 19:33.30 | tariq786 | carol, any suggestion on what should i do? |
| 19:33.36 | downey | carols: Always enjoy your insight. Have some tea! |
| 19:33.40 | carols | tariq786: about what? |
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| 19:33.43 | carols | downey: thanks! |
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| 19:33.46 | carols | sips some tea |
| 19:34.05 | sam_coder | carols: about editing my proposal |
| 19:34.14 | tariq786 | i submitted my proposal where enrollment form should be submitted as i could not figure out how melange works |
| 19:34.30 | tariq786 | i am asking what can i do to resolve this |
| 19:34.34 | carols | sam_coder: do you mean "ask" them since it's their choice? yes. you can't inform them of anything. they get to choose if they let you edit it |
| 19:34.34 | meflin | sam_coder: you will need to contact your org as carols already told you ... only they can make that decision |
| 19:34.48 | Ivanovic | sam_coder: communicating with your org/mentor usually does not hurt |
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| 19:35.54 | tariq786 | @carol, i submitted my proposal where enrollment form should be submitted as i could not figure out how melange works. I am asking suggestion on how to resolve this? |
| 19:36.09 | carols | tariq786: #melange |
| 19:36.16 | carols | that's all that's going to help you |
| 19:36.18 | carols | and keep in mind |
| 19:36.21 | carols | it's past the deadline |
| 19:36.21 | Ivanovic | downey: my opinion as org admin is that every proposal will get some feedback in our org "soon" and i am 99.9% sure that every single one of them will receive edits |
| 19:36.28 | tariq786 | no response on #melange |
| 19:36.28 | carols | so if you're asking to submit a proposal, that time is over |
| 19:36.36 | carols | tariq786: they have 48 hours to respond to you |
| 19:36.38 | Ivanovic | that is: those not receiving edits are close to impossible to being accepted |
| 19:36.39 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 19:36.40 | carols | how long has it been? |
| 19:36.41 | stqism | carols: The past the deadline part is the golden word |
| 19:36.56 | carols | stqism: and the one most people ignore |
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| 19:37.07 | Ivanovic | !deadline |
| 19:37.11 | hello_world | here i am . Morning folks ! |
| 19:37.15 | stqism | carols: People hear what they want to hear. |
| 19:37.20 | Ivanovic | i think we need a factoid explaining what a deadline is... |
| 19:37.22 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 19:37.23 | carols | stqism: ain't that the truth. |
| 19:37.38 | carols | Ivanovic: the bot has been really slow today :-( |
| 19:37.41 | downey | deadline, emphasis on the 'dead' |
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| 19:37.46 | Ivanovic | :( |
| 19:37.47 | stqism | carols: I'm sure you've been seeing that in action for years :P |
| 19:37.58 | panzone | so now i can ask to my org how many proposal the have received ? |
| 19:38.04 | carols | we're up to 5. i just got a deadline request in my email. |
| 19:38.08 | carols | panzone: yes |
| 19:38.11 | stqism | !numapps | panzone |
| 19:38.11 | gsocbot | panzone: "numapps" is In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
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| 19:38.15 | carols | panzone: and keep in mind they don't have to tell you |
| 19:38.20 | stqism | Oh wait |
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| 19:38.37 | panzone | carols: i know, i know. |
| 19:38.38 | Ivanovic | panzone: those numbers will say nothing about your chances |
| 19:38.44 | panzone | carols: thanks |
| 19:38.47 | carols | cheers |
| 19:38.54 | panzone | ivanovic: i know that, it is just curiosity |
| 19:38.58 | Ivanovic | if you are even asking this i get the impression (external view!) that your chances are low... |
| 19:39.14 | stqism | Ivanovic: Now, don't spoil all the fun |
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| 19:39.22 | hello_world | Ivanovic: nailed it |
| 19:39.26 | panzone | ivanovic: do you want to read my proposal ? |
| 19:39.37 | Ivanovic | panzone: nope |
| 19:39.47 | Ivanovic | since you probably did not submit it to wesnoth i don't want to read it |
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| 19:39.54 | hello_world | panzone: Ivanovic is mentor.. |
| 19:40.05 | Ivanovic | hello_world: nope, just org admin |
| 19:40.11 | Ivanovic | but among the very veterans here |
| 19:40.29 | hello_world | Ivanovic: bragging rights |
| 19:40.31 | panzone | ivanovic: i know that my best shot is the quality of my proposal |
| 19:40.38 | meflin | mentors and admins already have stacks of apps to read |
| 19:40.46 | meflin | ask your own mentor |
| 19:40.49 | Ivanovic | panzone: your proposal is more than just the text you submitted |
| 19:40.55 | hello_world | meflin: not stack .. MB |
| 19:41.01 | Ivanovic | panzone: make sure to communicate well, that is what matters |
| 19:41.02 | hello_world | megabytes |
| 19:41.13 | panzone | with quality i don' t mean only the text |
| 19:41.17 | stqism | hello_world: If you include all the PDFs |
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| 19:41.34 | hello_world | stqism: you wanna bet ? |
| 19:41.45 | Ivanovic | hello_world: i think since this is now my 7th year in a row as wesnoth org admin i got some bragging right, right? |
| 19:41.46 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 19:41.53 | croozeus_ | !numapps |
| 19:41.54 | gsocbot | croozeus_: "numapps" is In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 19:41.58 | stqism | hello_world: Bet? I'm seeing this madness first hand |
| 19:42.12 | hello_world | stqism: you won. Happy ? |
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| 19:42.37 | stqism | hello_world: Yes, though I feel like I've seen your name before, just not you. |
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| 19:43.05 | hello_world | stqism: anything wrong ? |
| 19:43.17 | pchr8 | yeah the string hello_world looks kinda familiar |
| 19:43.33 | stqism | hello_world: It was a joke, every intro to every language ever starts with hello world :) |
| 19:43.59 | hello_world | stqism: i forgot to laugh .. haha |
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| 19:44.18 | sam_coder | carols: how will i go about contacting my org? |
| 19:44.31 | sam_coder | details for contact? |
| 19:44.32 | stqism | sam_coder: It's on the orgs gsoc page |
| 19:44.50 | catallman | sam_coder: look at their page in Melange. |
| 19:44.52 | stqism | sam_coder: carols doesn't maintain a group contact list or anything of the sort, afaik :) |
| 19:45.17 | sam_coder | link anyone? |
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| 19:45.48 | stqism | sam_coder: google-melange.com |
| 19:45.53 | hello_world | sam_coder: generally org ideas page |
| 19:46.25 | hello_world | knock knock |
| 19:46.41 | stqism | Come in, hello_world |
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| 19:46.48 | stqism | Sorry, had to kill that |
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| 19:47.02 | downey | sam_coder: Have you already contacted them before you submitted your proposal? (Hopefully, yes.) If so, start with whoever you worked with previously. |
| 19:47.07 | hello_world | stqism: you are suppose to say "whose there?" |
| 19:47.15 | gevaerts | sam_coder: see the organisation's page on melange |
| 19:47.16 | sam_coder | i emailed him |
| 19:47.31 | stqism | hello_world: I forgot to laugh |
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| 19:47.45 | stqism | :P |
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| 19:48.01 | hello_world | stqism: let me remind .you ..you can laugh .. eewww |
| 19:48.06 | sam_coder | org which irc channel should i ask? |
| 19:48.17 | hello_world | sam_coder: you serious ? |
| 19:48.18 | stqism | sam_coder: That's on you to find |
| 19:48.20 | sam_coder | intro? |
| 19:48.37 | meflin | smagnin: you have been told the answer to this many times |
| 19:48.41 | meflin | err sam_coder |
| 19:48.48 | VarunAgw | sam_coder, To which organisation you have applied? |
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| 19:48.52 | sam_coder | how will i know who is the real admin |
| 19:48.59 | sam_coder | new to irc |
| 19:49.07 | stqism | sam_coder: That is on you |
| 19:49.30 | sam_coder | any indication?? |
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| 19:49.43 | sam_coder | mozilla |
| 19:49.46 | sam_coder | is my org |
| 19:50.19 | VarunAgw | Type /join #mozilla |
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| 19:50.30 | fqueze1 | sam_coder: I am the admin for Mozilla. And I've already told you so on #introduction on irc.mozilla.org a few minutes ago. Can you tell me what you want and stop wasting everybody's time please? |
| 19:50.54 | teepee | VarunAgw: nope |
| 19:51.04 | uxfi | hello VarunAgw |
| 19:51.19 | sam_coder | ok |
| 19:51.25 | hello_world | sam_coder: mail anyone : florian@mozilla.com gerv@mozilla.org |
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| 19:51.35 | VarunAgw | uxfi, Hi |
| 19:52.20 | sam_coder | fquezel: are you flo? |
| 19:52.26 | uxfi | ... |
| 19:52.26 | fqueze1 | yes |
| 19:52.33 | uxfi | sam_coder: otherwise he wouldn have given email |
| 19:52.45 | VarunAgw | teepee, oops it is invite only. I just assumed it should be #org_name |
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| 19:53.01 | sam_coder | ok i will mail the final doc to any one of the above mails |
| 19:53.05 | sam_coder | thanks.bye |
| 19:53.05 | teepee | VarunAgw: yeah, it often is, but in that case the contact page says something different ;) |
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| 19:59.39 | wolfv | hi, is there any chance I could hand in my registration a little belated? I overread that it closes at 19:00 UTC and now I have finished everything but it's 50 min too late |
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| 20:00.03 | downey | wolfv: Unfortunately not |
| 20:00.11 | meflin | count=6 |
| 20:00.15 | groundnuty | yey, 20 aplicans for my project - I will have free vacations :) |
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| 20:00.19 | downey | wolfv: There's no way for the system to take new proposals |
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| 20:00.40 | catallman | wolfv: Sorry, we can't make exceptions. |
| 20:01.27 | wolfv | it's just because I was so busy fixing the bug I wanted to have done for gsoc ... too bad |
| 20:01.33 | hello_world | wolfv: if you can time travel ..then possibly . *wink* |
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| 20:02.16 | catallman | wolfv: please consider working with the project independently. |
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| 20:02.53 | wolfv | ah well, i could make a kickstarter to fund my work ... might as well work ;) |
| 20:03.15 | hello_world | wolfv: good luck . |
| 20:03.30 | catallman | Wolfv: orgs have done that - give it a try :) |
| 20:03.31 | Platonides | you can still offer to conrib to the org |
| 20:03.49 | downey | wolfv: Consider what you might do now to get a "head start" in case there's a GSoC next year. It could be a good chance to write a them proposal from a well-known student & contributor. :-) |
| 20:03.49 | Platonides | you may only miss Google's pay and T-shirt |
| 20:03.55 | wolfv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:04.35 | hello_world | wolfv: oh boy/girl .. still on negotiation .. too bad |
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| 20:05.36 | groundnuty | dont wory wolfv it would be worse to get rejected ;) |
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| 20:06.12 | wolfv | haha ... there is quite a high chance it would have been rejected as I might be relatively busy in summer... |
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| 20:06.22 | wolfv | what's actually the estimated work load for GSOC? |
| 20:06.25 | hello_world | wolfv: hint: NTP port on melange server can help you ..just manipulate the packet headers .. |
| 20:06.40 | downey | wolfv: full time. |
| 20:06.57 | downey | wolfv: i.e., it should be your primary focus |
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| 20:07.49 | wolfv | downy, okay, I see ... so that would probably not have worked out then... |
| 20:07.55 | wolfv | *downey, sorry |
| 20:07.57 | downey | wolfv: maybe things happened for the best :) |
| 20:08.37 | wolfv | hello_world sorry I don't get it :) |
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| 20:09.02 | wolfv | hello_world ahh the time traveling? |
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| 20:09.15 | manishearth | wolfv: iirc it's 5-8 hours per day |
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| 20:09.32 | manishearth | You should know your workload, since you will have made a timeline for the proposal |
| 20:09.55 | manishearth | (Really awesome exercise, btw, you get to know *exactly* what you're going to do and how long it will take |
| 20:10.34 | tierra | maybe not exactly, but yeah, it's a good exercise |
| 20:10.44 | wolfv | Manishearth, yeah, I made a timeline |
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| 20:11.11 | wolfv | Manishearth but most likely there was too little on it for 5-8 hours a day |
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| 20:11.24 | hello_world | here is what people can do till the result come out: http://gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048/ try to reach 2048 ..even comp can't do it |
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| 20:12.31 | TheMonster | hello_world: one of my friends has done it :) |
| 20:13.06 | hello_world | TheMonster: oh yeah .. clear my doubt then |
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| 20:13.41 | sidthekid | hello_world: in case your indian - a lolmax clone http://www.antarikshbothale.com/GetIITB/ |
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| 20:14.22 | hello_world | sidthekid: i dont' get it..it copied |
| 20:14.28 | wolfv | hello_world but comp can do it, no? http://ov3y.github.io/2048-AI/ |
| 20:14.37 | gevaerts | sidthekid: your indian what? |
| 20:14.56 | sidthekid | yes - its a clone that makes fun of the rivalry between the IITs |
| 20:15.40 | sidthekid | gevaerts: *you're |
| 20:15.40 | hello_world | wolfv: thankx.. back to work |
| 20:15.47 | gevaerts | Oh |
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| 20:18.49 | Manishearth | hello_world: I made a fork that lets you save :) |
| 20:18.50 | Manishearth | manishearth.github.io/2048 |
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| 20:22.03 | hello_world | Manishearth: it doesn't it should have generated some address . |
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| 20:24.16 | Manishearth | hello_world: as in? |
| 20:24.37 | Manishearth | http://manishearth.github.io/2048 ? |
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| 20:25.48 | Manishearth | bitgeeky: o/ |
| 20:25.50 | hello_world | Manishearth: ok ..that's cookie save .. nice |
| 20:26.03 | Manishearth | licalstorage, but yeah |
| 20:26.05 | wolfv | or localStorage |
| 20:26.06 | Manishearth | *local |
| 20:26.08 | wolfv | ah yeah |
| 20:26.17 | bitgeeky | hey Manishearth :-) |
| 20:26.30 | Manishearth | bitgeeky: finished your proposal? link? |
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| 20:27.05 | bitgeeky | Manishearth, , yeah done , wbu ? |
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| 20:28.13 | Manishearth | bitgeeky: yep (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hEnYI3teExOMMo3xYSkSEA2k_YUx0oWfdmEWHe7xw_g/edit?usp=sharing) |
| 20:29.13 | bitgeeky | Manishearth, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0AGaIGlMm7bUjDwTGW6O1ePaUsBrPbOR1SHr4Bge-U/edit?usp=sharing |
| 20:29.16 | bitgeeky | :-) |
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| 20:30.11 | Manishearth | bitgeeky: oh, you have a name! :P |
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| 20:30.24 | bitgeeky | lol Manishearth , yeah I am not a bot :P |
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| 20:31.24 | Manishearth | bitgeeky: nice one! It might be useful to use this doc for keeping links for the actual project later on |
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| 20:31.43 | Manishearth | keeping links in the timeline will make life easy for you later on |
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| 20:33.36 | bitgeeky | Manishearth, yeah , that's why google doc :-) make life easy |
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| 20:35.11 | bitgeeky | Manishearth, planning to maintain a wiki , if I get the project , since the features would require a proper documentation |
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| 20:35.21 | Manishearth | bitgeeky: ooh, I see |
| 20:35.24 | Manishearth | that would work |
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| 20:37.20 | ramsub07 | I want to make my proposal visible to public, is there anyway to do ? |
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| 20:42.09 | Manishearth | ramsub07: uh, there was an option whilst editing. DUnno about it now |
| 20:43.29 | ramsub07 | now can't see that's why I am asking.. |
| 20:43.42 | hello_world | ramsub07: if you can't see.. you can't |
| 20:44.48 | blast007 | ramsub07: you could ask on #melange |
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| 20:58.17 | hello_world | another day folks .. |
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| 21:05.52 | asddwdaew | Hi. I have a quick question: Are students receiving an email confirmation for there proposal submission? |
| 21:07.25 | ashmew2 | asddwdaew, I did not receive an email but I did submit a proposal that I can view on Melange. |
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| 21:07.54 | asddwdaew | <ashmew2> okay, thanks |
| 21:08.01 | ashmew2 | asddwdaew, :) |
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| 21:19.03 | sara_mansouri | Hi, I want to submit my proposal. Is there a way to do that now? |
| 21:19.08 | carols | sara_mansouri: no |
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| 21:20.23 | Manishearth | carols: so the results are announced on 18th, or is that just internal? |
| 21:20.28 | Manishearth | *the 18th |
| 21:20.48 | carols | Manishearth: the results are announced on 21 april as per this channel's topic and the timeline |
| 21:23.27 | thiago | count=8, including the one who mailed summer-mentors |
| 21:23.53 | carols | thiago: i got two on the discussion list, did you count those? |
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| 21:24.14 | thiago | I counted "Human Bein" |
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| 21:24.19 | carols | thiago: ok |
| 21:24.19 | thiago | the other one is sara_mansouri |
| 21:24.30 | stqism | Well, looks like I lost |
| 21:24.35 | stqism | My numbers beat |
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| 21:24.47 | sara_mansouri | I have I am sara_mansouri |
| 21:24.59 | carols | stqism: we'll get more once we get to 19:00 Pacific time. |
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| 21:25.10 | carols | stqism: everyone assumes UTC = PST for some reason |
| 21:25.21 | sara_mansouri | yeah me too |
| 21:25.30 | stqism | carols: I'm regretting not making my bet something higher :) |
| 21:25.43 | carols | stqism: you have too much faith in people to read :-) |
| 21:25.52 | carols | i lost that years ago with this program |
| 21:25.56 | dberkholz | eh? |
| 21:25.59 | thiago | carols: are you in collab summit next week? I'd love to buy you tea for all the work... |
| 21:26.00 | sara_mansouri | :( |
| 21:26.01 | dberkholz | the timeline says 1900 UTC |
| 21:26.13 | carols | thiago: collab summit? is that in sf? |
| 21:26.19 | thiago | carols: napa valley |
| 21:26.24 | thiago | LF collab summit |
| 21:26.33 | stqism | carols: Well now, I was going off the org extension count, I like to have a little faith :) |
| 21:26.34 | carols | thiago: i certainly don't have a pass or anything... |
| 21:26.46 | thiago | carols: that can be fixed |
| 21:26.56 | carols | thiago: could you send me more details in email? |
| 21:27.02 | thiago | sure |
| 21:27.06 | carols | thanks |
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| 21:29.18 | Manishearth | carols: Ah, didn't notice that, thanks :) |
| 21:29.36 | carols | Manishearth: cheers |
| 21:30.33 | thiago | carols: sent |
| 21:30.39 | carols | thiago: thanks very much |
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| 21:42.15 | pantuza | In Brazil it is 06:42 pm. I can't post my proposal. |
| 21:42.25 | carols | pantuza: the deadline has passed. |
| 21:42.51 | stqism | pantuza: It isn't about specific time zones. |
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| 21:47.20 | arrdem | so, now we wait :D |
| 21:47.53 | teepee | why just wait? there's lots to do ;) |
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| 21:48.03 | stqism | ^ |
| 21:48.10 | arrdem | well... school work and soforth, yes :P |
| 21:49.00 | teepee | ...increase your chances for selection... |
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| 22:08.27 | Kazimuth | Hey - I just managed to get my internet back up, to find that registration had already closed. My application is finished - Can I still possibly get it in? |
| 22:08.34 | carols | Kazimuth: nope |
| 22:08.47 | carols | if it's not in now, it won't be in for this year |
| 22:08.49 | Kazimuth | Really? are you completely sure? My internet died :( |
| 22:08.55 | carols | i'm completely sure |
| 22:08.57 | carols | 100% |
| 22:09.01 | Kazimuth | *sigh* |
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| 22:09.36 | Kazimuth | thanks anyway :( |
| 22:09.39 | stqism | Sorry, but you did have months :( |
| 22:09.40 | carols | cheers |
| 22:09.53 | Kazimuth | this is true :( |
| 22:10.11 | gevaerts | lost count now |
| 22:10.20 | carols | gevaerts: we're at 11 |
| 22:10.32 | gevaerts | Oh, it went up to 11 now? :) |
| 22:10.41 | clementb | !numapp |
| 22:10.41 | gsocbot | clementb: "numapp" is see !numapps |
| 22:11.12 | clementb | !numapps |
| 22:11.12 | gsocbot | clementb: "numapps" is In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
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| 22:12.23 | sinhayash | carols: 11 is? |
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| 22:12.35 | carols | sinhayash: the number of people who have asked for a deadline extension |
| 22:12.36 | terri | There's a joke about going up to 11 just waiting ot happen here... |
| 22:12.48 | KolibriOS|yogev | Wow already published total number of proposals. So we are actually not lower than last year, nice. |
| 22:12.54 | gevaerts | terri: I tried that! |
| 22:13.18 | terri | gevaerts: too subtle. ;) |
| 22:13.25 | gevaerts | Sorry! |
| 22:13.38 | sinhayash | Great! |
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| 22:13.57 | terri | gevaerts: (or, you know, my IRC reading skills are toast now that the deadline's passed... ;) ) |
| 22:14.05 | dejan_forge | Hi all. I am GSOC participant, but I thing i missed deadline for the propposal. I finished it, byt I cannot upload it to GSoC site. |
| 22:14.13 | dejan_forge | is this Fix-able? |
| 22:14.16 | carols | dejan_forge: no |
| 22:14.21 | carols | it's not fixable. |
| 22:14.27 | bitgeeky | count++ :P |
| 22:14.27 | dejan_forge | :( |
| 22:14.41 | gevaerts | terri: no worries, it just stopped being an appropriate joke anyway :) |
| 22:14.46 | carols | gevaerts: that's 12 |
| 22:14.57 | terri | gevaerts: going up to 12 isn't *nearly* as amusing or topical, it's true |
| 22:15.02 | sinhayash | can bot learn it? |
| 22:15.35 | terri | I should have put in a bet. Let's say... 21? |
| 22:15.44 | carols | terri: so noted |
| 22:15.48 | stqism | terri: Hey! Too late now |
| 22:15.50 | dejan_forge | ok...thanx anyway ....I am signing out... |
| 22:15.55 | carols | dejan_forge: cheers |
| 22:15.59 | olly | 12 is 11 in base 11 |
| 22:16.10 | terri | olly: nerd. ;) |
| 22:16.12 | olly | THAT'S MOAR ELEVEN! |
| 22:16.15 | carols | terri: stqism has a point. you have data to work from now that no one else did |
| 22:16.18 | gevaerts | olly: base 10, you mean? ;) |
| 22:16.35 | terri | carols: fair enough. I'll still say it, it doesn't have to count. :) |
| 22:16.37 | gevaerts | I hope the final total won't be 42. That would be too confusing |
| 22:16.50 | olly | gevaerts: in a way, aren't all bases base 10? |
| 22:16.53 | carols | terri: if it really ends up being 21 i'll still send you the socks. |
| 22:17.06 | gevaerts | olly: yes, that's the problem with specifying them :) |
| 22:17.20 | gevaerts | decides that it will be 42 |
| 22:17.59 | carols | gevaerts: so noted |
| 22:18.32 | sinhayash | http://rudradevbasak.github.io/16384_hex/ addictive |
| 22:19.45 | terri | carols: I think it's much more appropriate to say I missed the deadline, in this case. ;) |
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| 22:19.55 | carols | terri: fair enough :-) |
| 22:20.03 | gevaerts | That's a good point, actually :) |
| 22:20.35 | terri | if it actually turns out to be 21 that would be especially funny, though |
| 22:20.37 | carols | actually, i guess we're at 12.5 because of that person yesterday who asked for an extension even though the window was still open |
| 22:20.49 | sinhayash | LOL |
| 22:21.00 | gevaerts | Hmmmm |
| 22:21.19 | gevaerts | Did anyone bet on a non-integer? |
| 22:21.29 | stqism | Can I bet X? |
| 22:21.57 | sinhayash | carol wants to save her socks :) |
| 22:22.08 | carols | sinhayash: carols has way more socks than she needs. |
| 22:22.55 | sinhayash | Like the "G" soc ? :) |
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| 22:24.37 | carols | i just got another request via email, so that 13.5 |
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| 22:39.53 | larryxiao | !logs |
| 22:39.53 | gsocbot | larryxiao: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 22:44.58 | larryxiao | ping terri |
| 22:45.27 | meflin | larryxiao: is this python related? |
| 22:46.17 | larryxiao | no, I'm curious about the studies terri mentioned |
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| 22:47.56 | meflin | ah :) |
| 22:48.00 | meflin | carry on |
| 22:48.23 | larryxiao | =D |
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| 22:52.31 | terri | larryxiao: what about them? My memory's pretty hazy, alas |
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| 23:43.45 | olly | http://survex.com/~olly/blog/xapian/xapian-gsoc-applications-for-2014.html |
| 23:44.24 | dfighter | wow olly |
| 23:47.01 | stqism | olly: What does xapian do? |
| 23:47.19 | Platonides | it's a search engine |
| 23:47.23 | Platonides | as in indexing documents |
| 23:47.33 | stqism | Oooh |
| 23:47.33 | larryxiao | terri: the study about submission time, can you give me a link? my search skill needs improvement =P |
| 23:48.26 | larryxiao | that's interesting |
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| 23:52.20 | stqism | !numapps |
| 23:52.21 | gsocbot | stqism: "numapps" is In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
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