| 00:00.10 | olly | !learn unmentor as If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 00:00.10 | gsocbot | olly: "unmentor" is (#1) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, or (#2) Or just register again with another Google account, or (#3) If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: (1 more message) |
| 00:00.18 | olly | !forget unmentor 1 2 |
| 00:00.18 | gsocbot | olly: Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 00:00.22 | olly | !forget unmentor 1 |
| 00:00.22 | gsocbot | olly: "unmentor" is (#1) Or just register again with another Google account, or (#2) If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 00:00.26 | olly | !forget unmentor 1 |
| 00:00.27 | gsocbot | olly: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
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| 00:04.35 | krzysz00 | Should I have some sort of "About Me" in the proposal? |
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| 00:04.59 | olly | krzysz00: yes |
| 00:05.26 | olly | krzysz00: most orgs provide an application template |
| 00:05.33 | olly | if they do, use it |
| 00:05.46 | krzysz00 | Mine doesn't, as far as I know. |
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| 00:25.14 | tos2 | Can two students collaborate on the same project? (The FAQ questions 10 and 11 under "Applying to GSOC" are a bit unclear) |
| 00:28.08 | olly | tos2: no, they can't |
| 00:28.16 | edunham | if the mentoring org has enough slots to accept both, it's imaginable, isn't it? |
| 00:28.25 | edunham | like, "here you do the frontend and i'll do the backend" kind of thing? |
| 00:28.53 | tos2 | Olly, so only one student per project can be selected? (Just confirming so I'm absolutely clear on the rules) |
| 00:30.41 | olly | tos2: you can't submit a proposal with your friend |
| 00:31.00 | olly | the org are allowed to accept two students working independently on the same project idea |
| 00:31.21 | olly | personally I wouldn't pick projects which duplicated each over significantly |
| 00:31.34 | olly | if two students take an idea in very different directions, that can work OK |
| 00:32.08 | olly | orgs will also avoid having two projects where one depends on the other to succeed |
| 00:32.19 | olly | well, sensible orgs will |
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| 00:33.33 | tos2 | olly, Gotcha. I needed to know what would happen if the orgs give two students the same project idea to work together on |
| 00:34.26 | olly | you aren't allowed to work together on a project |
| 00:34.37 | tos2 | Got it |
| 00:34.37 | olly | the FAQ is clear on that |
| 00:35.23 | tos2 | Thanks for the help, olly |
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| 00:56.17 | xan_ps | hi..i'm unable to find a link to submit my proposal |
| 00:56.50 | olly | xan_ps: did you submit proof of enrollment? |
| 00:57.17 | xan_ps | olly: oh..i didn't do that. I thought maybe that was required later. I'll do it instantly. Thanks. |
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| 01:02.04 | tnkhanh | hi I haven't done anything |
| 01:02.13 | tnkhanh | is it late to start now |
| 01:02.53 | tnkhanh | can I start working on an idea before submitting the proposal for it |
| 01:03.04 | olly | no and yes |
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| 01:05.01 | aps-sids | tnkhanh: if you haven't decided of any org yet, you can check out timvideos. There are projects in various categories. We hangout at #timvideos :) |
| 01:05.44 | olly | aps-sids: this isn't the place to pimp your org |
| 01:05.58 | tnkhanh | olly: thanks. I suppose no for first question and Yes for the second |
| 01:06.46 | olly | tnkhanh: indeed - but I'd get a move on |
| 01:06.46 | aps-sids | olly: I'm sorry. I'm just a student applying to timvideos. I thought he might need help as he is saying its late now. |
| 01:07.30 | olly | he asked if it was too late |
| 01:07.32 | olly | but it isn't |
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| 01:09.37 | gevaerts | aps-sids: it's perfectly fine to suggest an org if someone asks mentions a direction ("I want to do big data cloud stuff in INTERCAL!" -> "We are doing that. Talk to us in #reasonableproject"), but suggesting specific orgs out of the blue without context tends to be frowned upon |
| 01:10.11 | gevaerts | hopes nobody *actually* wants to do big data cloud stuff in INTERCAL |
| 01:10.28 | aps-sids | gevaerts: my bad. Will keep that in mind. |
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| 01:22.06 | olly | gevaerts: i'm adding tags for that right now... |
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| 03:00.09 | nurupo | can students edit proposals after the end of proposal submission period? |
| 03:00.44 | olly | wouldn't be much of a deadline if you could just keep on changing your proposal |
| 03:00.58 | olly | nurupo: you can still make comments |
| 03:01.46 | dongcarl | does anyone know what to do if you're in high school and is still waiting on college decisions? |
| 03:02.03 | nurupo | it's just that students will get quite a timeframe before orgs will get known how many slots they got and start actually deciding on what stuents to keep. |
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| 03:02.17 | olly | dongcarl: try again next year, I'm afraid |
| 03:02.57 | olly | nurupo: you have it backwards - the orgs need to decide how many proposals they have they'd like to accept before they can ask for slots |
| 03:04.32 | nurupo | dongcarl: you can join the org you would like to work with next year as a contributor, which will give you big advantage since devs would know you and you would know them and the org. although there is no telling in they will get accepted, unless it's KDE or similar org (but even KDE could get denied, i guess) |
| 03:04.32 | olly | the reason there's quite a period to do so is that many orgs felt there wasn't enough time allowed for this in previous years |
| 03:04.54 | nurupo | olly: i see |
| 03:05.33 | dongcarl | nurupo: great!! thanks for the heads up |
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| 03:12.18 | dongcarl | nurupo: how do i join the org as a contributor? on the google-melange.com page I only see the option to submit a transcript... sorry if this is a stupid question |
| 03:13.12 | nurupo | you know org's name? |
| 03:13.15 | olly | dongcarl: you can just go and talk to the org |
| 03:13.20 | olly | outside of gsoc |
| 03:13.24 | nurupo | yeah |
| 03:13.34 | olly | most open source projects would love new contributors |
| 03:13.34 | nurupo | just join the development outside of gsoc |
| 03:14.13 | dongcarl | great!! which ones are usually going to be in gsoc? I remember you mentioned kde? |
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| 03:14.45 | olly | dongcarl: you can look back in melange to see - just change the year in the org list URL to a different year |
| 03:15.09 | olly | though there's no guarantee a particular org will apply next year, or that their application would be accepted |
| 03:15.18 | dongcarl | thanks guys!! really helped me out here!! |
| 03:15.26 | olly | but experience with an org will help you write a better proposal for a different org |
| 03:16.16 | nurupo | dongcarl: just pick one that matches your interests and skills |
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| 03:41.32 | krzysz00 | When do you hear from an org that they want to take you on? |
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| 03:42.09 | olly | krzysz00: April 21st |
| 03:42.16 | olly | !timeline | krzysz00 |
| 03:42.16 | gsocbot | krzysz00: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 03:42.56 | krzysz00 | Is it possible/common to hear "unofficially" before that date? |
| 03:43.36 | olly | krzysz00: google specifically ask us not to reveal anything before then, so no |
| 03:43.51 | krzysz00 | Ah. |
| 03:44.33 | krzysz00 | Mostly because it would be awkward to back out of any of the other intership-y things I'm applying to if I made GSoC, should I get any of them. |
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| 03:44.42 | olly | the final decision can end up beind made very late in the process as students accepted by two orgs get resolved and other students replace them in one org |
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| 03:46.47 | olly | krzysz00: it can be awkward, but that's what google ask, and there are good reasons for it |
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| 03:46.54 | olly | at least it's earlier than last year |
| 03:47.07 | krzysz00 | Makes sense. |
| 03:47.11 | krzysz00 | Thanks! |
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| 03:48.41 | bePolite | Is it bad to submit a proposal very late? |
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| 03:49.08 | olly | i tend to think we should try having org applications and acceptance earlier, so orgs have more of a chance to publicise their participation, and then student applications and acceptance earlier, so students can plan their summers knowing if they got in or not |
| 03:49.18 | novochen | bePolite, of course it is |
| 03:49.26 | olly | though it'd make students not knowing their status more awkwards |
| 03:49.31 | novochen | bePolite, you won't have time for reviewing then |
| 03:49.43 | olly | i.e. whether they're accepted for the next academic year |
| 03:50.21 | olly | bePolite: also, definitely don't leave it to the last hour - melange gets very loaded close to the deadline, and can throw 500 errors at you |
| 03:50.38 | bePolite | Ahh Okey |
| 03:50.43 | olly | I think we had a proposal less than 30 seconds before the deadline one year |
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| 03:51.07 | bePolite | i planned on submitting on the 23rd |
| 03:51.26 | novochen | isn't the deadline 21st? |
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| 03:52.31 | olly | it is |
| 03:52.39 | novochen | bePolite, have you discussed your proposal with your mentor? |
| 03:52.42 | olly | well, it's the 21st in UTC |
| 03:52.54 | olly | it's not the 23rd in any known timezone |
| 03:52.58 | novochen | olly, yes.. 22nd in UTC+8 (lol) |
| 03:53.20 | olly | and in UTC+13 |
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| 03:54.18 | olly | bePolite: I'd try hard to get a useful draft together in the next 2 or 3 days so you can get comments on it from the org |
| 03:55.26 | novochen | i agree with olly |
| 03:55.47 | olly | you can edit the application in melange until the deadline |
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| 04:04.33 | bePolite | Okey thanks |
| 04:04.51 | bePolite | I would start working on it ASAP |
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| 04:14.23 | dkathayat | Hi all. I'd like to know if we can submit a .jpg file (photo of student id-card) as a proof of enrollment? |
| 04:15.04 | srichakradhar | do you mean a scanned one, or a pic? |
| 04:15.18 | Niharika | dkathayat: You can submit one. |
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| 04:15.44 | pcoutin | is a non-official transcript ok? |
| 04:15.49 | srichakradhar | It is mentioned on the gsoc page as "scanned" copy. |
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| 04:16.00 | srichakradhar | but, I guess a pic would be okay. |
| 04:16.43 | srichakradhar | pcoutin: from where can you get a "non-official" transcirpt? |
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| 04:16.59 | olly | AIUI, photos are OK if they're legible (in focus, etc) |
| 04:17.08 | srichakradhar | pcoutin: I didn't get what a "non-official" transcript is. |
| 04:17.23 | dkathayat | It's a legible pic that proves my current student status. |
| 04:18.15 | pcoutin | srichakradhar: university web page class list, as a pdf... |
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| 04:19.02 | olly | again points out the "Rather than ask questions [...]" paragraph on that page to all the people asking questions |
| 04:19.08 | srichakradhar | pcoutin: I don't think that would get accepted! |
| 04:20.04 | srichakradhar | pcouting: cuz transcript is a thing which is entirely different from what you said. |
| 04:20.29 | olly | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcript_%28education%29 |
| 04:20.41 | srichakradhar | An official transcript is prepared and sent by the issuing school (usually by the Student Registrary or an equivalent) with an original signature of a school official. |
| 04:20.52 | dkathayat | olly: The FAQ page or the ProofOfEnrollment page does not say if .jpg is disallowed. |
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| 04:21.05 | dkathayat | olly: I've submitted one and the website accepts it as of now. |
| 04:21.15 | olly | dkathayat: then invoke the "rather than ask questions" paragraph and send it in |
| 04:21.29 | olly | dkathayat: it'll take some time for 5000 submissions to be processed |
| 04:21.37 | olly | there's only one person on gsoc full time at google |
| 04:21.49 | dkathayat | Carol? |
| 04:21.54 | olly | yes |
| 04:22.13 | dkathayat | is she active here on #gsoc? |
| 04:22.33 | olly | during working hours in California she often is |
| 04:22.40 | olly | not evenings or weekends |
| 04:23.16 | olly | there are some others involved part time I think |
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| 04:23.39 | dkathayat | okay, will try to ping her around that time. |
| 04:24.03 | olly | dkathayat: she'll ask you to just submit what you have and they'll get back to you if it's not acceptable |
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| 04:24.55 | dkathayat | olly: that sounds fine then! As long as it does not cause outright rejection! |
| 04:25.33 | olly | dkathayat: no, you'll get a chance to submit a better scan or whatever |
| 04:25.33 | pcoutin | i don't have dates on my ID card, guess i'll have to order transcripts, great |
| 04:26.15 | dkathayat | olly: alright, thanks for your time. |
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| 04:32.02 | VaticanCameos | olly: I had uploaded my ID card as proof of enrollment a few days earlier. Now it's not there in my profile. Does this mean it was rejected? |
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| 04:34.45 | srichakradhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.50 | Ajish_ | Hi |
| 04:34.53 | Ajish_ | 1 doubt |
| 04:35.03 | Ajish_ | is there a way I can delete a proposal |
| 04:35.05 | Ajish_ | ? |
| 04:35.36 | Ajish_ | What if rather than editing a proposal I would like to create a proposal from scratch |
| 04:35.39 | Ajish_ | is it possible |
| 04:35.46 | Niharika | srichakradhar: Why do you want to know that? |
| 04:35.55 | Niharika | !logs |
| 04:35.56 | gsocbot | Niharika: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 04:36.00 | Niharika | Here. |
| 04:36.15 | srichakradhar | !thanks |
| 04:36.16 | gsocbot | srichakradhar: "thanks" is You're welcome! |
| 04:36.27 | srichakradhar | thank you Niharika! |
| 04:36.46 | Niharika | No problem. |
| 04:36.46 | srichakradhar | I want to see a few lines before joining! |
| 04:37.01 | srichakradhar | to catch the point of discussion |
| 04:37.03 | Ajish_ | Hi cos it says 5 proposals |
| 04:37.04 | Ajish_ | done |
| 04:37.12 | Ajish_ | and would like to ade something new |
| 04:37.17 | Ajish_ | is it possible |
| 04:37.18 | Ajish_ | ? |
| 04:37.19 | srichakradhar | is there a command for that? |
| 04:37.23 | Niharika | VaticanCameos: I heard a few others complaining of the same issue last night here. |
| 04:37.41 | VaticanCameos | Niharika: Then it was most likely rejected. |
| 04:38.04 | Niharika | VaticanCameos: Was it an image? |
| 04:38.11 | VaticanCameos | Niharika: Indeed it was |
| 04:39.04 | Niharika | VaticanCameos: If your proof was rejected, you would have received an email about the same. |
| 04:39.29 | VaticanCameos | Niharika: Then it outright...vanished ._. |
| 04:39.50 | Niharika | Indeed. It´s a bug. It wasn´t rejected. Upload again. |
| 04:40.12 | VaticanCameos | It doesn't matter. I'm uploading my sixth semester exam transcript (which shows even semester end in June) and my ID card (which shows 2014 as the year of the last sem). |
| 04:40.25 | VaticanCameos | I'l have to get a letter from college anyway, I don't think these will stand. |
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| 04:41.02 | Niharika | Okay. |
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| 04:42.16 | Ajish_ | Hi anyone there to help |
| 04:42.17 | Ajish_ | ? |
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| 04:44.45 | Niharika | Yes, Ajish_. |
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| 04:44.55 | Niharika | What is your query? |
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| 05:20.50 | Ajish_ | Hi Niharika |
| 05:21.06 | Ajish_ | Is it possible to withdraw 1 proposal |
| 05:21.17 | Ajish_ | and in place kinda propose another 1 |
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| 05:23.08 | srichakradhar | generally orgs allow you to re-upload a proposal by mentioning "discard previous proposal" in comments. |
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| 05:33.00 | qaidjohar | HI...I am a coder.... |
| 05:34.14 | qaidjohar | I want to contribute to opensource projects, but every project I see, I cant understand anything....What should I do? |
| 05:35.06 | Niharika | Ajish_: Why dont you edit that proposal? You can edit all details too, I suppose. |
| 05:35.22 | Niharika | qaidjohar: What all languages do you know? |
| 05:35.44 | Ajish_ | yup |
| 05:35.52 | Ajish_ | but you cannot organisation |
| 05:35.53 | Ajish_ | ? |
| 05:36.01 | qaidjohar | I know C,C++,C#,java,python,HTML,JS,CSS.. |
| 05:36.32 | Niharika | Ajish_: Open the proposal you want to delete. You should see a Withdraw button on the left. Maybe that will help. |
| 05:37.13 | Niharika | qaidjohar: Then search for a project in those languages and *try to understand* the projects. |
| 05:37.26 | Niharika | They are not as simple as college projects. |
| 05:37.36 | Niharika | You need to make an effort to understand them. |
| 05:37.50 | Ajish_ | I did withdraw |
| 05:37.52 | qaidjohar | yes...I am trying my best...Thank You.... |
| 05:38.00 | Ajish_ | yet I cannot add a new proposal |
| 05:38.08 | Ajish_ | it still gives error 5 max |
| 05:38.21 | Ajish_ | can you please help me with it |
| 05:38.40 | Niharika | How many project proposals do you see listed in your dashboard? |
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| 05:49.21 | mr1holmes | hi, in the faq it is mentioned that rather than asking anywhere just submit your proof of enrollment , and we'll get back to you whether it is acceptable or not, my college id card does not mention the date till which i'm enrolled ( just 2014) and i submitted it 4 days ago but i haven't got any reply, does that mean it is accepted ? |
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| 05:54.10 | hammad_ | hi, i submitted my proposal for fedora. But, it showing that proposal has been submitted twice. Now I want to delete one of the two. But am not able to find option to delete duplicate proposal. please help. |
| 05:55.08 | Niharika | mr1holmes: Not necessarily. It means they haven´t checked your proof yet and will get back to you when it is checked. |
| 05:56.52 | Ajish_ | I still see 5 |
| 05:56.58 | Ajish_ | even after withdrawing 1 |
| 05:58.19 | Niharika | Ajish_, hammad_: Ask on #melange. |
| 05:59.09 | hammad_ | okay |
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| 06:01.36 | Ajish_ | Okies thanx |
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| 06:28.33 | vinod_l | Hello, I m Vinod a Gsoc aspirant. The issue which I encountered while filling out my profile form is that the auto complete is not functioning for the "school name" form. Could anyone please help me out with this. |
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| 06:29.13 | IITUG | Hello everyone! I want to apply for gsoc and I have already decided on the projects for which I want to apply. But I dont know the format in which I want to apply. So, can anyone please tell me about the format in which I should apply? |
| 06:29.15 | ashmew2 | vinod_l, Even I didn't get a drop down. |
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| 06:29.47 | ashmew2 | IITUG, every ORG has a template that they follow. Look at your org's page , they'll have a template. |
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| 06:31.38 | vinod_l | ashmew2: ok, so did you complete it manually? I tried entering it manually but its not getting updated in my view form and hence not able to submit any proposals.. |
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| 06:31.58 | ashmew2 | vinod_l, entered it manually and it worked. |
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| 06:32.14 | ashmew2 | vinod_l, Submitted a proposal after that too, so I'm assuming it worked correctly. |
| 06:33.02 | vinod_l | ashmew2: did the "education" data appear on your "view form"? |
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| 06:34.06 | ashmew2 | vinod_l, do you mean under "View Profile" ? |
| 06:34.22 | vinod_l | ashmew2: yes |
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| 06:34.31 | ashmew2 | No, no such sub section |
| 06:34.36 | ashmew2 | vinod_l, ^ |
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| 06:35.19 | vinod_l | ashmew2: My Profile -> View Profile |
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| 06:35.55 | ashmew2 | "If your school is not listed, just enter it manually." |
| 06:36.35 | ashmew2 | Yeah, no education subsection under VIEW PROFILE, vinod_l |
| 06:36.59 | vinod_l | ashmew2: ok, cool...Thanks a lot :) |
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| 07:34.26 | tnkhanh | hi |
| 07:34.40 | tnkhanh | what is more important for proposals to be accepted |
| 07:35.10 | tnkhanh | if the student works well but the idea is not good can it still be accepted |
| 07:36.46 | tierra | ideally both, but that's up to each org to decide whether it's worth the mentor's extra effort and time they might have to put in to move the project along |
| 07:37.43 | tnkhanh | I mean if I choose a promising idea to work on, the chance of being accepted is higher, is it? |
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| 07:39.03 | tierra | you really need to judge for yourself... don't submit a proposal for a project you know you won't be able to finish, that's just setting yourself up for failure |
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| 07:39.19 | tierra | but yes, it definitely helps if the mentors are excited about it |
| 07:40.23 | tnkhanh | thanks |
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| 07:41.18 | tnkhanh | usually what kinds of proposal are likely to be accepted? |
| 07:41.49 | tierra | you should ask your potential mentors that |
| 07:41.58 | sinhayash | Happy Holi... to all, In India we are celebrating holi and colouring each other... (forcefully :P ) |
| 07:42.58 | Niharika | Happy holi, sinhayash. :) |
| 07:45.41 | kblin | that's a hard question to answer in a general case |
| 07:46.07 | kblin | the main thinbg I look for in a student however is that they are able to communicate with me and the rest of the project |
| 07:49.02 | olly | VaticanCameos: it seems the enrollment upload can get undone in some circumstances - it don't think it mean it's rejected |
| 07:50.22 | VaticanCameos | olly: I believe that it happened because I updated my profile with a blog link: when editing the profile, the file that was previously uploaded is lost. |
| 07:50.44 | kblin | !bugs | VaticanCameos |
| 07:50.44 | gsocbot | VaticanCameos: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 07:50.47 | olly | someone said changing their public name seemed to lose it |
| 07:50.57 | olly | indeed, report a bug for such things |
| 07:51.00 | VaticanCameos | kblin, olly: I could try it again |
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| 07:51.05 | VaticanCameos | Just for reproducibility |
| 07:51.20 | kblin | if you can reliably reproduce it, that's pretty much the best bug to have :) |
| 07:51.23 | olly | sounds like a good idea |
| 07:51.42 | kblin | from a developer perspective, less so from the user perspective |
| 07:52.25 | olly | as i user, i usually prefer reproducible bugs too |
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| 07:54.09 | VaticanCameos | olly, kblin: I tried five different changes right now. The zip file is still there. Perhaps it depends on the file type? I had uploaded an image previously. |
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| 07:55.45 | kblin | hm, I'd say file a bug in any case :) |
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| 08:05.18 | VaticanCameos | kblin: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2118 |
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| 08:10.28 | kblin | VaticanCameos: thanks |
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| 08:43.00 | danielamariei | help |
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| 08:45.57 | cnj | danielamariei: What help you need here? |
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| 09:00.54 | rajul | danielamariei: hi....what do you need help about?? |
| 09:02.42 | danielamariei | I would like to find out more information about GSoC. |
| 09:03.01 | danielamariei | Hy rajul. |
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| 09:05.01 | danielamariei | I am reading documentation now and in the event of unclearness I wanted to ask more questions here. |
| 09:05.44 | danielamariei | There is a lot of information to cope with... |
| 09:08.36 | danielamariei | I was issuing help as a command :) |
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| 09:14.59 | rajul | danielamariei: hmm.... |
| 09:15.28 | rajul | danielamariei: for more informationa about GSoC go to https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 |
| 09:15.41 | rajul | danielamariei: all the best!! |
| 09:15.45 | danielamariei | I am reading documentation from there. |
| 09:15.48 | danielamariei | Thanks! |
| 09:16.46 | rajul | danielamariei: np!! :) |
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| 09:29.03 | nannan | Hi, yesterday I've created a new post on the group of melange-soc for a request of "Unmentor" but it has not been accepted yet. Any suggest? I've to send my proposal |
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| 09:31.36 | Cheng_Zheng | hello everyone |
| 09:31.49 | teepee_ | nannan: i'd say give it a couple of hours until the monday arrives in US :) |
| 09:32.28 | teepee_ | Cheng_Zheng: hi |
| 09:32.35 | Cheng_Zheng | :) |
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| 09:33.50 | rajul | Cheng_Zheng: hi!! |
| 09:34.00 | Cheng_Zheng | hi rajul~ |
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| 09:34.04 | nannan | ahaha ops sorry, I've not considered the time zone :) thank you |
| 09:34.30 | pik | Hello, please help i am not able to find a link in "My profile |
| 09:34.35 | pik | to submit forms |
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| 09:35.20 | nannan | pik, probabily you have created a Mentor account (like me, I've the same issue) |
| 09:35.32 | teepee_ | !unmentor |
| 09:35.32 | gsocbot | teepee_: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 09:36.18 | pik | okay, thanks :) |
| 09:37.38 | Cheng_Zheng | 测试 测试 |
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| 09:55.32 | cpg | !next |
| 09:55.34 | gsocbot | cpg: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 09:57.50 | Cheng_Zheng | !next |
| 09:57.52 | gsocbot | Cheng_Zheng: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 09:58.03 | Cheng_Zheng | haha |
| 09:59.50 | olly | amazingly the deadline didn't change in those 2 minutes and 18 seconds |
| 10:00.32 | cpg | yup |
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| 11:31.57 | niks_ | hi guys , any1 here submitted their proposal? |
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| 11:37.17 | kblin | afternoon, folks |
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| 11:39.35 | niks_ | good afternoon |
| 11:39.57 | niks_ | any1 here has submitted his/her gsoc proposal on melange yet? |
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| 11:40.29 | niks_ | is der any way by which i can attach code samples to my proposal |
| 11:41.34 | kblin | niks_: not that I'm aware of, but I haven't used melange as a student :) |
| 11:42.12 | LordAro | niks_: probably not, but you can link to it |
| 11:42.22 | LordAro | i.e. upload to some pastebin somewhere] |
| 11:43.00 | niks_ | ok |
| 11:44.40 | niks_ | So,we are supposed to fill only the 3 sections namely Abstract,Content and Title ri8? |
| 11:44.58 | niks_ | as a part of our proposal |
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| 11:46.52 | kblin | if in doubt, talk to your mentoring org |
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| 12:23.12 | IonelPopescu | hello, I would like to ask if someone knows if I can edit my proposal after I submit it? |
| 12:23.27 | PulkoMandy | yes |
| 12:23.42 | IonelPopescu | PulkoMandy: thanks |
| 12:23.44 | PulkoMandy | just remember that mentors get a mail notification each time you change something |
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| 12:24.36 | gevaerts | Also, you can't edit after the deadline |
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| 12:26.55 | IonelPopescu | thank you |
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| 12:30.42 | s1991 | hey, can anybody tell in melage while submitting a proposal their there sections "title", "abstract" and "content". So should I put my whole proposal under "content" which itself include title and abstract or should I remove that part from content. |
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| 12:40.51 | panzone | s1991: well, i don' t replicate the abstract in the abstract and content sections xD |
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| 12:48.15 | aa_ | Hello, I want to ask that in melange there are 3 parts "title", ''abstract'' and "content". So should I put the whole proposal under content and redefine title and abstract or I should extract title and abstract part from conetnt |
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| 12:49.18 | hornig | ahoi! :) when and where will I see how many students we will get? I couldn't find it in the time plan |
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| 12:52.29 | kblin | !slots | hornig |
| 12:52.29 | gsocbot | hornig: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations |
| 12:52.50 | kblin | hornig: how many _students_ you will get depends on your org :) |
| 12:53.10 | kblin | hornig: you can see the applications so far in melange :) |
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| 12:54.47 | hornig | kblin: will there be a special day when we have to answer how many we would like to have? or is it already started? |
| 12:55.09 | kblin | !timeline | hornig |
| 12:55.09 | gsocbot | hornig: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 12:55.18 | kblin | I think it's mentioned there |
| 12:55.45 | kblin | the orgs will be asked for two numbers |
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| 13:02.37 | downey | 7 April |
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| 13:09.13 | hornig | downey, I remember last year that we had to tell how many slots we would like to have earlier that slot allocation |
| 13:09.35 | downey | hornig: yes, same this year |
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| 13:11.30 | downey | hornig: we request by 7th, they're published on 9th |
| 13:12.36 | hornig | so I can just "freely" decide who student I would like to have like 4 and you then decide it will be 3 and then I just deselect one? |
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| 13:15.21 | downey | hornig: I only decide how many to request for my own org. :-) |
| 13:15.48 | downey | hornig: but yes, you can only accept as many proposals as the amount of slots given to you by google |
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| 13:18.52 | hornig | downey: hehe, yes. but I still don't want to be toooo high above a reasonable number. last year, we had 3 |
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| 13:33.57 | shippy | Hello |
| 13:34.13 | shippy | Anyone there? |
| 13:35.34 | Niharika | Hi shippy. 421 people here. |
| 13:35.51 | d3r1ck | hello shippy |
| 13:37.13 | shippy | Hey I am applying in sympy this year! |
| 13:37.43 | shippy | You people done with your proposals? |
| 13:39.29 | rajul | shippy: hey!! |
| 13:39.47 | rajul | shippy: done with.....working on others!! |
| 13:39.53 | rajul | :) |
| 13:40.06 | rajul | shippy: *done with one |
| 13:40.10 | shippy | Ohh thats cool! |
| 13:40.15 | shippy | All the best |
| 13:40.40 | shippy | Umm could you give me a very general idea on what a proposal should look like? |
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| 13:42.58 | d3r1ck | shippy: try this first and wait for more: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#5._What_should_a_student_proposal_look |
| 13:43.27 | darnir1 | studentguide | shippy |
| 13:43.37 | darnir1 | !studentguide | shippy |
| 13:43.38 | gsocbot | shippy: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 13:43.49 | darnir1 | ^ Read this. It has some nice templates too |
| 13:44.01 | darnir1 | Also, your org. may define a template for you to use. |
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| 13:44.40 | d3r1ck | shippy: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ |
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| 13:45.01 | d3r1ck | shippy: i think that will help you alot |
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| 14:01.53 | shippy | Thank you all. All of those links were a great help :) |
| 14:02.06 | d3r1ck | shippy: you are welcome |
| 14:02.17 | d3r1ck | shippy: and we are always ready to help you. |
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| 14:07.38 | pankaj_cdr | can i can submit proof of enrollment in rar file? |
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| 14:07.51 | gevaerts | *why*? |
| 14:08.01 | gevaerts | rar files are obscure weird things that nobody uses... |
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| 14:11.19 | d3r1ck | gevaerts: i don't think so |
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| 14:11.31 | nannan | Hi there, I've a request of Unmentor but on https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/melange-soc I can't make a new post, precisely it doesn't be accepted. What I can do? Seem that the only solution is to make a new Google Account. (Sorry for my English) |
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| 14:12.46 | pankaj_cdr | but, i found somewhere written, if you have more than 1 files,pack them up in a rar file!! |
| 14:12.48 | d3r1ck | gevaerts: that message was not for you |
| 14:12.59 | d3r1ck | gevaerts: it was for p |
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| 14:13.31 | d3r1ck | pankaj_cdr: send me the link |
| 14:13.58 | pankaj_cdr | whick link? |
| 14:14.02 | PulkoMandy | pankaj_cdr: I guess zip may be a better choice - but they'll probably manage to decompress it either way |
| 14:14.09 | dfighter | pretty sure it's a zip file, not a rar file |
| 14:14.18 | dfighter | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 14:14.27 | dfighter | "NOTE: If you have multiple documents to submit please put them all into a single zip file and upload that zip file." |
| 14:14.27 | pankaj_cdr | ahh that link :P |
| 14:14.54 | pankaj_cdr | oh ok i will zip them up. :D thanks guyz |
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| 14:15.01 | pankaj_cdr | and |
| 14:15.04 | d3r1ck | pankaj_cdr: you see |
| 14:15.14 | pankaj_cdr | can u tell me where to upload proposals? |
| 14:15.35 | dfighter | reading skills, the best thing invented since sliced bread \o/ |
| 14:15.50 | nannan | anyone can help me? |
| 14:16.06 | dfighter | !unmentor | nannan |
| 14:16.07 | gsocbot | nannan: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 14:16.22 | d3r1ck | pankaj_cdr: have you created a profile, i mean student profile |
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| 14:16.32 | pankaj_cdr | yes i have |
| 14:16.38 | d3r1ck | pankaj_cdr: like registered as a student |
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| 14:16.46 | pankaj_cdr | yes |
| 14:17.02 | pankaj_cdr | but i submitted the proof of enrollment today itself |
| 14:17.21 | d3r1ck | pankaj_cdr: there is an option that says My DashBoard |
| 14:17.47 | pankaj_cdr | yes |
| 14:17.48 | d3r1ck | have you seen it? |
| 14:17.51 | pankaj_cdr | yes |
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| 14:18.35 | d3r1ck | pankaj_cdr: click on it and see where you can submit proposal |
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| 14:19.14 | d3r1ck | pankaj_cdr: have you seen it? |
| 14:19.29 | pankaj_cdr | yes |
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| 14:19.58 | pankaj_cdr | but the 'Proposals' section has no option to submit? |
| 14:20.25 | ashepelev | Hello. Does anyone knows: is there any possibility to modify or change the proposal after student registration deadline (March 21) ? |
| 14:20.36 | letaiv | Hi. no |
| 14:20.46 | ashepelev | letaiv: thanks. |
| 14:21.03 | letaiv | you are welcome |
| 14:21.09 | Niharika | pankaj_cdr: The option is on the home page of the website. |
| 14:21.11 | d3r1ck | pankaj_cdr: i don't know ....... |
| 14:21.33 | d3r1ck | pankaj_cdr: exactly |
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| 14:22.09 | pankaj_cdr | ah yes. :D thanks both of you, niharika and d3r1ck :) |
| 14:22.21 | Niharika | No problem. |
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| 14:22.54 | d3r1ck | Niharika: but i noticed something, the links are not active |
| 14:23.10 | d3r1ck | Niharika: i can't click on them, they are just plain text |
| 14:23.11 | Niharika | d3r1ck: Which links? |
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| 14:24.31 | bshah | hello! I have not received any email regarding my proof of enrollment being invalid.. does that mean it is valid? |
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| 14:25.22 | gevaerts | bshah: it means that either it's valid or it hasn't been reviewed yet |
| 14:26.31 | bshah | gevaerts: how can I make sure its valid? I am worried as in few days reading vacation will start in my college.. |
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| 14:27.09 | dfighter | bshah, the FAQ is pretty clear about this |
| 14:27.14 | bshah | I've only 3 days.. |
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| 14:28.40 | d3r1ck | Niharika: they are not links, i mean for the submitting of proposals |
| 14:29.11 | Niharika | d3r1ck: The link is on the homepage. |
| 14:29.12 | jkridner | we have a student looking to submit to just one organization more than one proposal. I believe that is OK per https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#6._Can_a_student_submit_more_than_one but just wanted to confirm. |
| 14:29.26 | Niharika | jkridner: Yes, itś okay. |
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| 14:29.35 | jkridner | Thanks Niharika |
| 14:30.36 | d3r1ck | Niharika: on the home pagge? |
| 14:30.58 | Niharika | Yes. d3r1ck. http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 14:32.39 | d3r1ck | Niharika: is it the once that are being numbered? |
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| 14:33.29 | Niharika | d3r1ck: I don´t understand the question. |
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| 14:34.34 | d3r1ck | Niharika: ok you said the home page of GSoC |
| 14:34.49 | Niharika | Yes. I gave you the link too. |
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| 14:35.03 | nicolaR | hello |
| 14:35.06 | d3r1ck | Niharika: but when i get there, i don't see any link that tells me to submit a prposal |
| 14:35.12 | d3r1ck | Niharika: you gave me the link |
| 14:35.23 | Niharika | d3r1ck: Have you submitted proof of enrollment yet? |
| 14:35.24 | d3r1ck | Niharika: and i am even logged in |
| 14:35.33 | Niharika | Hello nicolaR. |
| 14:35.39 | VaticanCameos | Niharika: Nice that you're being a good Samaritan! You've been helping out a lot. |
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| 14:35.40 | d3r1ck | Niharika: no i haven't yet |
| 14:35.44 | nicolaR | i've a question about the Proof of Enrollment |
| 14:35.47 | d3r1ck | Niharika: will do that tomorrow |
| 14:36.01 | d3r1ck | Niharika: do i need to submit that before any further movement? |
| 14:36.02 | Niharika | d3r1ck: You´ll see the link post submitting the proof. |
| 14:36.04 | Niharika | Yes. |
| 14:36.15 | Niharika | nicolaR: Shoot. |
| 14:36.25 | Niharika | VaticanCameos: I like it. :P |
| 14:36.30 | d3r1ck | Niharika: ok, thanks |
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| 14:37.52 | d3r1ck | Niharika: so if i submit the Proof of the Enrollment, then it is accepted, then i can submit my proposal? |
| 14:38.04 | Niharika | d3r1ck: Right. |
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| 14:38.12 | gevaerts | No |
| 14:38.18 | d3r1ck | Niharika: and we have only about 4days left? |
| 14:38.22 | gevaerts | You submit the proof of enrollment, then you can submit your proposal |
| 14:38.27 | d3r1ck | gevaerts: why do you say no? |
| 14:38.30 | gevaerts | You don't have to wait for it to be accepted |
| 14:38.36 | gevaerts | Because that was wrong |
| 14:38.37 | kblin | I think you can upload the proof and then submit proposals right away |
| 14:38.46 | kblin | what gevaerts said, basically |
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| 14:38.55 | gevaerts | uses "no" for negative replies, quite often |
| 14:38.57 | d3r1ck | thanks gevaerts and kblin |
| 14:39.10 | d3r1ck | Niharika: thanks for the help |
| 14:39.10 | kblin | google will contact you if they want more or other proof |
| 14:39.11 | d3r1ck | :) |
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| 14:39.47 | kblin | gevaerts: really? I find myself using "technically yes, but.." a lot more ;) |
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| 14:40.27 | gevaerts | kblin: That's when I say "yes and no" or "it depends" |
| 14:40.36 | kblin | :) |
| 14:40.50 | nicolaR_ | hello Niharika |
| 14:41.00 | Niharika | Hello. |
| 14:41.09 | nicolaR_ | i've a question about the proof of enrollment |
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| 14:41.29 | kblin | nicolaR_: I'd suggest you go ahead and ask the question |
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| 14:41.35 | nicolaR_ | i've printed a page from my university internet restricted student area |
| 14:41.42 | kblin | I only perform my famous mind-reading trick on thursdays |
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| 14:42.33 | nicolaR_ | and it show my current registration to academic years |
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| 14:43.09 | kblin | !proof | nicolaR_ |
| 14:43.10 | gsocbot | nicolaR_: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 14:43.23 | nicolaR_ | i don't know if it could work as proof of enrollment, also it's in italian and the site doesn't provide an english version |
| 14:43.28 | kblin | that has a list of requirements. how does your proof document compare? |
| 14:44.00 | kblin | the page gsocbot mentioned also has something about translations |
| 14:44.03 | gevaerts | You can (should, probably) provide a translation. It can be your own translation, it doesn't have to be notarised or anything like that |
| 14:45.20 | nicolaR_ | ok, i'll translate it and see if it works, thank you! |
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| 14:46.03 | gevaerts | will talk to kblin on thursday to have a look at this trick :) |
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| 14:53.18 | d3r1ck | I want to submit a scanned copy of my School identification card like said as one of the options, i hope it is cool? |
| 14:53.29 | d3r1ck | I hope Google will not hit me in the face? |
| 14:53.58 | gevaerts | !proof | d3r1ck |
| 14:53.58 | gsocbot | d3r1ck: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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| 14:56.41 | d3r1ck | gsocbot: thanks |
| 14:56.41 | gsocbot | d3r1ck: "thanks" is You're welcome! |
| 14:56.57 | d3r1ck | gsocbot: ok |
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| 15:04.32 | etern | if we don't submit patches, that means organizations won't take our app seriously right? |
| 15:04.43 | kblin | depends? |
| 15:04.54 | kblin | does your org ask for patches? |
| 15:04.58 | edsiper | etern, depends, its up to every org |
| 15:05.29 | etern | it doesn't ask for a patch but some do. |
| 15:05.37 | kblin | I mean, submitting a patch probably doesn't hurt, but if that's not a requirement I wouldn't fret about it too much |
| 15:06.42 | etern | how in the world do people have all these different skills that each project requires? |
| 15:07.10 | gevaerts | Not that many projects require many different skills |
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| 15:07.47 | darnir1 | Usually it's one or two skills. And even then orgs are okay if you lack something slightly |
| 15:07.48 | etern | i guess they have to make it hard because of the $5000. |
| 15:07.56 | kblin | etern: also, I guess in many cases that's a bit of a wish list as in job ads |
| 15:08.08 | darnir1 | kblin: True. |
| 15:08.32 | etern | i can make my own proposal too so that's what i'll do. |
| 15:08.34 | darnir1 | We'd prefer someone who knows Network programming, etc. But even if you don't this is a feasible project. |
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| 15:09.38 | etern | is a 1 paragraph proposal acceptable? i am a really straightforward person. |
| 15:10.02 | novochen | I don't think so, etern :) |
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| 15:10.13 | darnir1 | etern: Depends on your org. Each has different requirements? |
| 15:10.23 | darnir1 | You should talk to your mentor about that |
| 15:10.34 | etern | ok, i'll check with them in IRC then. thanks. |
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| 15:11.17 | d3r1ck | but submitting patches gives you an upper hand you know. |
| 15:11.21 | etern | just found http://teom.org/blog/kde/how-to-write-a-kick-ass-proposal-for-google-summer-of-code/ so hopefully this will help me with a good proposal. |
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| 15:11.37 | darnir1 | Yes. That's a nice resource. |
| 15:11.46 | etern | d3r1ck i'll try to submit a patch if i can but i can't learn the whole codebase in time for deadline. |
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| 15:12.29 | d3r1ck | etern: that is true, but if i can ask, if you don't learn the code base, how can you code on the software? |
| 15:12.40 | d3r1ck | etern: or you are specific to your task? |
| 15:13.18 | darnir1 | etern: Usually you don't need to read the whole codebase for simple patches. |
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| 15:13.35 | d3r1ck | darnir1: that is true |
| 15:13.38 | darnir1 | And submitting patches will always improve your chances. |
| 15:13.39 | etern | ok, i'll figure it out along the way. |
| 15:14.03 | d3r1ck | darnir1: but reading the codebase will give you an idea on the software internals |
| 15:14.09 | etern | in the proposal tips post: "No need to write “Dear Sir” and such, we’re cool ;)" haha |
| 15:14.13 | darnir1 | Well, obviously. |
| 15:14.33 | d3r1ck | ya |
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| 15:21.05 | etern | ok, i should look into a different project. someone from last year is applying for the project and he has more experience than me so i gotta find another organization. |
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| 15:24.19 | mwilkes|work | afternoon all |
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| 15:24.42 | novochen | it's midnight here though :) |
| 15:25.03 | mwilkes|work | foiled! |
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| 15:26.56 | Naeblis | Hello everyone! |
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| 15:27.53 | Niharika | Hello Naeblis. :) |
| 15:28.01 | Naeblis | Sigh. Trying to help people get started into GSoC isn't easy when they see projects and get discouraged. "I don't have enough skills" |
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| 15:29.10 | shippy | How do you insert code blocks on google-melange? |
| 15:29.19 | etern | everything about GSOC is discouraging, i'm definitely not gonna get my hopes up because of slot limits and huge number of students. |
| 15:29.25 | shippy | I am having a tough time editing my proposal |
| 15:29.27 | kblin | sure, but with smaller projects you can't really keep people busy for the summer :) |
| 15:29.50 | Beornwulf | etern: I'm the same |
| 15:29.57 | PulkoMandy | etern: in previous years, about 1 student out of 4 was accepted, this is not a rate that low |
| 15:29.59 | Naeblis | wishes he was a student this year too so he could apply again |
| 15:30.01 | kblin | shippy: I think the method of getting code blocks into melange is "not at all" or "cut & paste" at best |
| 15:30.14 | PulkoMandy | and, the most important is not the skills, it's showing you are willing to try |
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| 15:30.28 | PulkoMandy | just asking questions can get you in |
| 15:30.34 | Naeblis | indeed |
| 15:30.40 | kblin | though !odds applies |
| 15:30.41 | kblin | !odds |
| 15:30.41 | gsocbot | kblin: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 15:31.00 | shippy | kblin: How do you that? I am sorry I kind of have no idea as to how editing is done! |
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| 15:31.55 | etern | yeah, sorry for the negativity i'll still try. |
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| 15:33.56 | dhanush | Hi. Im trying to submit my proposal. In the "Content" part, I cant seem to paste from my google docs. Will I seriously have to re write all of that? |
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| 15:34.34 | mwilkes|work | dhanush: What do you mean by "can't paste" - nothing works or it's formatted incorrectly? |
| 15:34.40 | etern | dhanush: if you can't paste, you may want to re-evaluate whether or not GSOC is for you. ;) |
| 15:35.07 | mwilkes|work | etern: If you can't be helpful you may want to re-evaluate whether IRC if for you |
| 15:35.14 | dhanush | mwilkes|work: I mean, I cant use Ctrl + v ; Or paste from the context menu. |
| 15:35.27 | etern | mwilkes|work: i used wink face, so i was just joking. :) |
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| 15:35.39 | Naeblis | that doesn't help |
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| 15:35.56 | mwilkes|work | etern: Not everyone is fluent in english, it's better not to rely on emoticons |
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| 15:36.07 | mwilkes|work | dhanush: Hmm. Tried another browser? :P |
| 15:36.10 | etern | ok |
| 15:36.15 | Niharika | dhanush: Paste works fine for me. |
| 15:36.24 | etern | dhanush: try Google Chrome. |
| 15:36.31 | dhanush | mwilkes|work: not yet. Im in firefox. Let me give it a shot with chrome. |
| 15:37.50 | dhanush | mwilkes|work, etern: works in chrome. So its a bug for firefox? |
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| 15:38.29 | etern | dhanush: great! good luck. |
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| 15:40.35 | kblin | !bugs | dhanush |
| 15:40.35 | gsocbot | dhanush: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
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| 15:44.49 | chitrank | Hello all to Google Summer of Code support, developers and students |
| 15:45.44 | Niharika | Slow applause. |
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| 15:49.33 | etern | wow, i was just searching up past gsoc stuff and noticed one student finished his GSOC project in 2 days last year. |
| 15:49.54 | darnir1 | Where'd you see this? Sometime's it's possible. |
| 15:50.08 | etern | it was on someone's blog post |
| 15:50.22 | darnir1 | Some projects are very easy. And also, sometimes the students have already finished working before the coding period starts. |
| 15:50.32 | darnir1 | It's wrong, but it happens |
| 15:50.34 | etern | ok, makes sense that way. |
| 15:50.52 | andrejtokarcik | Hello everyone! I'm going through the student agreement at the moment and the point 1.3(f) looks a bit confusing. It reads: " (f) Google employee, agent, intern, independent contractor, representative or family member thereof, and you agree you will not state or claim otherwise." Am I the only one who is missing a verb (complete predicate) in that part? |
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| 15:50.55 | PulkoMandy | usually the org will find something else to keep students busy? |
| 15:51.20 | andrejtokarcik | I guess "you are not" should be added. |
| 15:52.10 | etern | good job andrejtokarcik, you're probably the 1% who actually read the agreement. :D |
| 15:53.59 | andrejtokarcik | etern, oh thanks, I hope that's a good start :D |
| 15:54.22 | arrdem | PulkoMandy: presumably. |
| 15:54.42 | etern | andrejtokarcik: it is. i think you can report this error to #melange. |
| 15:54.53 | andrejtokarcik | etern, alright, will do! |
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| 16:18.07 | dkathayat | carols: Will a .jpg file work as a proof of enrollment? It's my student id-card that proves my current student status. |
| 16:18.14 | carols | dkathayat: sure |
| 16:18.44 | dkathayat | carols: thanks :) |
| 16:18.50 | carols | yw |
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| 16:19.10 | cipher_freenode | What is the expected level of knowledge that a undergrad student should posses for GSoC (in general) ? |
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| 16:20.10 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: I think the ability to program, at all, in some language, and to write complete sentences in English -- that's part of it |
| 16:20.30 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: and the ability to read instructions and follow them |
| 16:20.33 | sumanah | !goodenough |
| 16:20.34 | gsocbot | sumanah: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 16:20.53 | cipher_freenode | sumanah gsocbot : thanks |
| 16:21.01 | sumanah | :) |
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| 16:22.18 | cipher_freenode | suamnah : are you student? or someone from GSOC Authority |
| 16:22.20 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: It really depends on the mentoring organisation and the project |
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| 16:22.32 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: I have, in the past, been a mentor and an org admin. |
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| 16:22.46 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: Here's more information about me: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sharihareswara_%28WMF%29 |
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| 16:23.27 | mrphs | Hey codders, I've a question regarding to Terms of Service. is this the right place to ask it? |
| 16:23.32 | darnir1 | Sure. |
| 16:23.34 | carols | mrphs: sure |
| 16:23.56 | cipher_freenode | sumanah: Oh! So, do you have any idea on which type of orgs generally is suitable for newbie-programmers |
| 16:24.18 | darnir1 | cipher_freenode: All of them. |
| 16:24.20 | mrphs | 1.2 (b) says ... "you are not a resident or national of Cuba, Iran, Syria, Sudan, North Korea, or Myanmar (Burma);" |
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| 16:24.28 | carols | mrphs: correct |
| 16:24.33 | Zimnx | hey carols, ive got one question. my student id is valid till the end of the mounth, but i |
| 16:24.38 | ishitva | carols: Hello ! I have uploaded the front and the back scans of my college ID card for the proof of enrollment . My name is on the front side while the validity is on the back side . So is it acceptable ? |
| 16:24.40 | mrphs | does this apply to mentors too? |
| 16:24.40 | darnir1 | Aah! carols is here. She should answer this |
| 16:24.47 | carols | mrphs: indeed it does |
| 16:24.50 | mrphs | and what do you mean by national?! |
| 16:25.07 | carols | ishitva: did you get an email from us saying you needed to submit something else? |
| 16:25.12 | mrphs | carols: and you're aware US has lifted those sanctions on Iran. right?! |
| 16:25.16 | carols | mrphs: that your citizenship is from that country. |
| 16:25.28 | carols | mrphs: indeed i am. i don't make the rules, our lawyers do. |
| 16:25.30 | ishitva | carols: not yet . It has been a day since I have uplaoded them . |
| 16:25.38 | etern | actually not all organizations are suitable for newbie-programmers. i'd say maybe 1 or 2 of them have projects for newbie programmers. |
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| 16:25.43 | carols | ishitva: then you should assume you're fine until you're told otherwise. |
| 16:25.47 | kblin | hi carols, sumanah |
| 16:25.51 | cipher_freenode | Well, another question: Do people have to code on their own in GSoC ? I think i read that no any "teams" are entertained? |
| 16:25.52 | carols | hi kblin |
| 16:25.52 | ishitva | carols: Okay. |
| 16:25.54 | Zimnx | hey carols, ive got one question. my student id is valid till the end of the mounth, but i'm still a student at my university. i cant extend this because my university is still processing my last semester. is it ok to update proof of enrollment as soon as i get student id with extended validity date? |
| 16:25.57 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: I have only ever mentored for one organisation, but I think the truth is between what etern and darnir1 said. |
| 16:26.03 | darnir1 | etern: Stop being overly negative about the program. |
| 16:26.04 | carols | Zimnx: sure, that's fine |
| 16:26.10 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: Yes, it's one person per project, no teams. |
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| 16:26.27 | Zimnx | carols, thank you :) |
| 16:26.28 | abdou_bms | hello guys |
| 16:26.31 | carols | yw |
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| 16:26.35 | carols | hello abdou_bms |
| 16:26.38 | ishitva | May I ask who reviews our proposals ? |
| 16:26.41 | zsmahi | hello guys |
| 16:26.45 | carols | ishitva: your organization |
| 16:26.50 | darnir1 | ishitva: Your organization |
| 16:27.08 | abdou_bms | thanx @carols |
| 16:27.12 | ishitva | carols: The mentors or any one from the organization can do that ? |
| 16:27.20 | carols | ishitva: do what? review? |
| 16:27.23 | ishitva | YRs |
| 16:27.25 | ishitva | Yes |
| 16:27.30 | carols | ishitva: it depends on how the org manages it |
| 16:27.30 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: I think there are some organizations that are more interested in and able to usefully mentor and guide and use novice programmers. But without you looking at the ideas pages of several organizations I think it's hard for you to find out which ones are those. |
| 16:27.33 | carols | you should ask them |
| 16:27.37 | ishitva | Okay. |
| 16:28.10 | cipher_freenode | sumanah: thanks again! I shall have a look and apply if i find myself in the position |
| 16:28.26 | mwilkes|work | Generally speaking, the only difference between a member of an org and a mentor in melange is the latter has filled in the form already |
| 16:28.56 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: I suggest that you look through the list of participating orgs https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 and search for tags that interest you, then do a breadth-first search and skim information about several organisations to see which ones seem to have topics you might be interested in -- also you can look at their codebases to see what code looks understandable or impenetrable to you |
| 16:30.01 | ishitva | carols: What is it that increases our chances of getting selected . |
| 16:30.08 | etern | organizations can only accept a certain amount of projects, and the novice-level projects have really low priority that they will likely not even get accepted. think of it from the organization's point of view, why should they waste a slot on a novice project. |
| 16:30.09 | sumanah | !odds | ishitva |
| 16:30.09 | gsocbot | ishitva: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 16:30.31 | sumanah | etern: Well, orgs want long-term contributors, and helping a novice sometimes creates a lot of loyalty. |
| 16:30.32 | ishitva | sumanah: Okay |
| 16:30.42 | cipher_freenode | sumanah: I do some php (worked for sometime) (and html/css/js follow along), and have OK level undetsatnding of C/C++ and python . So i am guessing i might get lucky on *some* orgs |
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| 16:31.41 | sumanah | ishitva: I think that following the organization's instructions, and listening to feedback from them and improving your proposal based on that feedback, improve your chances. :-) This page http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ will be helpful to you |
| 16:32.03 | darnir1 | etern: You're talking to someone who has been not just a mentor but an org admin. sumanah knows what she's talking about. Also, as a mentor, I know what kind of priority we give to simple projects. |
| 16:32.04 | ishitva | Thanks sumanah :) |
| 16:32.17 | PulkoMandy | etern: as I already told you, you can get in by only asking questions and understanding the answers |
| 16:32.28 | cipher_freenode | Another question: What is the best place to have talks with the orgs? |
| 16:32.39 | ishitva | sumanah: I have completed my application and submitted it , but I wanted to get afeedback on it . |
| 16:32.42 | PulkoMandy | we don't want one guy who tells us "I'm more experienced than you, and you are doing your project wrong and I can fix it." |
| 16:32.47 | darnir1 | What PulkoMandy says. Talking to orgs is mandatory. |
| 16:32.58 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: Organizations often like to talk with you on mailing lists and IRC, and sometimes wikis |
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| 16:33.20 | PulkoMandy | but if we get "I have tried to understand your code, I think the relevant part is in this file, but I'm not sure what happens in there, can you help me?", that's probably a good student |
| 16:33.23 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: We talk in different places when we want to have different kinds of conversations. An IRC channel is a constant waterfall of conversation and you aren't expected to be there all the time or catch everything. A mailing list is more like a slow-moving river, and a wiki changes slower, like a marsh. |
| 16:33.44 | PulkoMandy | because the programming skills are something you can learn, the ability to ask questions and accept criticism, not really |
| 16:33.46 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: some organisations use a different but similar place to talk, like GitHub issues, or a web forum. It depends on the org |
| 16:34.03 | etern | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:34.32 | PulkoMandy | I think it's harder to write a good proposal for a simple project |
| 16:34.52 | PulkoMandy | everything is so obvious you have no idea what to write |
| 16:35.00 | PulkoMandy | and you don't need to ask any questions |
| 16:35.00 | abdou_bms | so guys i have a question: i've red about what GSoC needs and my question is if i took some time out in the period of coding could that be the cause to send me out of the program or that depends on the organization and the mentor?? |
| 16:35.00 | sumanah | etern: if you've done systematic statistical research on this topic, I'd love to see your outcomes/methods/blog post/etc. :) |
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| 16:35.08 | sumanah | abdou_bms: How much time? |
| 16:35.09 | kblin | etern: ok, so looking back at my past experience I've found that I've always accepted the well-written proposals |
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| 16:35.14 | sumanah | abdou_bms: like a few days, or like a week, or more? |
| 16:35.43 | kblin | etern: proposals tend to be well-written when students talk to the org before submitting said proposals |
| 16:35.45 | abdou_bms | sumanah i'm talking about 1 to 2 weeks max |
| 16:35.51 | etern | sumanah oh i don't have time to do such things, i'm a new participant in gsoc. |
| 16:36.00 | sumanah | abdou_bms: Do you already know the dates? If so, you could specify them in your application. |
| 16:36.24 | kblin | etern: the "difficulty" on the proposals hasn't played into my decision ever |
| 16:36.30 | sumanah | etern: OK, in that case I'll consider your opinion as a single data point but not give it as much weight as I would if I could examine your methods and outcomes. Which seems fair. |
| 16:36.41 | darnir1 | abdou_bms: A lot of students have a week or so's break for various reasons. If you state it early enough ion your proposal, it shouldn't be a problem. |
| 16:36.43 | etern | thanks kblin |
| 16:36.43 | PulkoMandy | abdou_bms: I can't speak for all orgs, but in our case this is acceptable - you just have to warn about it in the application, and show that you have adapted your planned timeline to take in into account |
| 16:36.48 | sumanah | For instance abdou_bms you see in this GSoC application https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application#Project_schedule "9 June to 23 June: **temporary lull due to unavoidable university-wide examinations** (responding to inquiries, continuing discussions and emails only)" |
| 16:37.12 | etern | good to know some organizations consider well-writen proposals regardless of complexity |
| 16:37.12 | abdou_bms | ok thanx sumanah & darnir1 |
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| 16:37.20 | sumanah | Glad to help, abdou_bms - good luck :) |
| 16:37.26 | cipher_freenode | sumanah: www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/ this link looks like it's dead. Can you check it ? |
| 16:37.27 | kblin | that said, I do see more low-quality proposals for project ideas marked as "easy" |
| 16:37.30 | etern | sumanah: yes that's fair. |
| 16:37.51 | sumanah | cipher_freenode: ah, the site moved - is now http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 16:38.05 | sumanah | if someone who knows the syntax would teach the bot that !goodenough is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ , that would be lovely |
| 16:38.25 | abdou_bms | sumanah: and what about the amount of time to work on my project do i really need 40 hours/week |
| 16:38.25 | ajitkr1994 | I've submitted the proposal through melange, but how do I ensure that the professor I've conversed will know that the proposal is mine? Please help. |
| 16:38.27 | etern | !learn goodenough as http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 16:38.28 | gsocbot | etern: "goodenough" is (#1) Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/, or (#2) http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 16:38.39 | sumanah | abdou_bms: I suggest that you allot 40 hours per week, yes. |
| 16:38.41 | darnir1 | kblin, sumanah: What do you'll think of well-written proposals but where the student has not contacted the org at all? I don't think highly of those. Wanted your views. |
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| 16:39.17 | sumanah | darnir1: Mixed! I think it's possible that those students could be brought to understand The Open Source Way and attempt to do that during the consideration period |
| 16:39.17 | PulkoMandy | ajitkr1994: we request students to put their IRC handle and bug tracker username in the proposals |
| 16:39.22 | kblin | !learn goodenough as Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 16:39.23 | gsocbot | kblin: "goodenough" is (#1) Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/, or (#2) http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/, or (#3) Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 16:39.31 | kblin | !forget goodenough 1 |
| 16:39.32 | gsocbot | kblin: "goodenough" is (#1) http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/, or (#2) Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 16:39.35 | kblin | !forget goodenough 1 |
| 16:39.35 | gsocbot | kblin: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 16:39.51 | ajitkr1994 | pulkomandy : but I've contacted the mentor through email and not IRC |
| 16:39.58 | PulkoMandy | ajitkr1994: you google account e-mail is automatically attached to the proposal, so that should be fine already |
| 16:40.01 | kblin | darnir1: I've yet to find one of those |
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| 16:40.10 | darnir1 | sumanah: Good idea. Maybe. |
| 16:40.13 | sumanah | kblin: I've seen a few. |
| 16:40.17 | PulkoMandy | if you used another e-mail, you can put it in the proposal, as well as your name and other useful contact info |
| 16:40.32 | sumanah | abdou_bms: In general, GSoC internships should generally be about 12 weeks of 35-40 hours each. Could you talk about what your fears or expectations are so we can help? |
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| 16:40.33 | darnir1 | kblin: We just got 3 of those. And there's already other students actively discussing with us the same projects. |
| 16:40.46 | mrphs | carols: can I have an email address of your lawyers/lawmakers? |
| 16:40.50 | mwilkes|work | PulkoMandy: Unless things have changed recently, the mentors can't see the email addresses of the users unless they tell us |
| 16:40.54 | carols | mrphs: no, you can't |
| 16:40.55 | sumanah | darnir1: Yeah. Those are Perfectionist Pats who need to learn to be Sloppy Sams. http://webchick.net/embrace-the-chaos |
| 16:41.07 | ajitkr1994 | pulkomandy : I've used another e-mail. So that means I should mention that e-mail in the proposal ? |
| 16:41.21 | darnir1 | sumanah: I like the title :D |
| 16:41.25 | mrphs | carols: who and how should I query on this, then? |
| 16:41.39 | carols | mrphs: um, i don't think you do? either you agree to the rules or you don't |
| 16:41.49 | PulkoMandy | ajitkr1994: I think so |
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| 16:42.09 | sumanah | ajitkr1994: in your application, you can have an "Identity" section at the top - see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Application_template as an example - that lists your name, email addresses, IRC and IM handles, location, and so on. That will help the reviewers know who you are |
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| 16:42.49 | kblin | darnir1: my gut feeling would be that the more communicative students will be preferrable |
| 16:43.07 | ajitkr1994 | sumanah : the thing is , I've contacted the mentor through one e-mail and I've submitted the proposal through another e-mail. What should I do now ? |
| 16:43.30 | mwilkes|work | ajitkr1994: Mention it in the proposal, or a comment? |
| 16:43.32 | sumanah | ajitkr1994: have you considered simply personally emailing the mentor and explaining the situation to her, so she knows it's still you? |
| 16:43.43 | sumanah | (him or her) |
| 16:43.55 | kblin | darnir1: I don't need a programming rock star |
| 16:43.58 | etern | hmm... i will insert some funny comic strips from xkcd in random spots in a proposal, if it makes them laugh i might get the job. ;) |
| 16:44.04 | abdou_bms | sumanah: i'm just asking so i can organize my self for the program |
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| 16:44.22 | kblin | especially if that rock star just shows up for the gig without asking what songs I'd like to hear |
| 16:44.28 | ajitkr1994 | Yes I've mailed the mentor that I have applied with a different e-mail but I haven't got a reply yet. |
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| 16:44.57 | sumanah | ajitkr1994: I recommend you also update your proposal to clarify your identity. :-) |
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| 16:45.36 | ajitkr1994 | sumanah: should I apply with the e-mail which i used for contact purpose ? |
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| 16:45.45 | kblin | carols: I thought in the US the addresses of the lawmakers were a matter of public record? http://www.house.gov/ |
| 16:45.48 | kblin | ;) |
| 16:45.53 | carols | kblin: that's a good point. |
| 16:45.57 | carols | there you go, mrphs |
| 16:46.01 | sumanah | ajitkr1994: at this point I think that either your organization, your mentor specifically, or #melange would be able to help you more than I can. |
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| 16:46.34 | mwilkes|work | hehe |
| 16:47.38 | darnir1 | sumanah: Lovely article! Thanks for sharing. |
| 16:47.50 | sumanah | kblin: darnir1 - if they haven't been communicative because they are arrogant, that's one thing. If they haven't been asking questions because they think of this as akin to a paper to turn in for a course, that is another. And if they haven't asked questions because they're shy and it'll be hard to draw them out, that's a 3rd issue. |
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| 16:48.09 | sumanah | I think the 3 are separate, and it's relatively easy to try to draw them out during the consideration period and figure out which category they fall into |
| 16:48.18 | kblin | ok, true |
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| 16:48.24 | ajitkr1994 | sumanah: ok thankyou. :) |
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| 16:48.48 | darnir1 | True sumanah. I'll infact try to draw them out now. Whenevr I have the time to pursue them. |
| 16:48.51 | sumanah | darnir1: Glad to help! Yeah, Angie wrote it about the Drupal community but I figure it's very applicable to the GSoC process & FLOSS in general |
| 16:49.04 | sumanah | :) |
| 16:49.04 | kblin | but we do ask students explicitly to contact us prior to sending in the application |
| 16:49.12 | darnir1 | I'm sharing this within my university groups. |
| 16:49.21 | sumanah | Cool! Yes! |
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| 16:49.51 | kblin | while we're posting great stuff from angie, http://www.webchick.net/node/105 is a nice read for people just getting into GSoC |
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| 16:50.17 | sumanah | So much standardised education trains students to NOT share their work early in public. Movies make it glamorous to come out of "nowhere" with a stellar performance, as though practice is low-class. It's so difficult to fight that training. |
| 16:50.26 | sinhayash | What agreements needs to be signed once selected? |
| 16:50.57 | PulkoMandy | sumanah: they don't need to share in public - just turning in the application in melange early and getting mentor review there is also a way to communicate with the community |
| 16:51.10 | purezen | Guys, how do I submit my proposal for the program? I have submitted the proof of enrollment form and it is also showing in my dashboard (forms section). |
| 16:51.15 | PulkoMandy | we even used to run a specific gsoc-dedicated mailing list for this in previous years |
| 16:51.28 | carols | purezen: then you just click on the button on the homepage to submit the proposal |
| 16:51.44 | sumanah | PulkoMandy: This is true. However I think you'd agree that asking questions on a mailing list or IRC channel is a kind of sharing in public. Anyway I think you and I agree 85% :-) |
| 16:51.58 | PulkoMandy | yes |
| 16:52.04 | purezen | carols: OMG! How could I miss that! Thanks :) |
| 16:52.08 | carols | yw |
| 16:52.36 | PulkoMandy | well, in this case we had a mailing list with private archives and only mentors subscribed to it, so that's not really public, even if the students can easily think it is |
| 16:53.10 | sumanah | It feels more public, though, than one-on-one discussions. It's a step towards public. |
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| 16:53.42 | sumanah | It's good to give students tidepools like that, and then gently, wave by wave, wash them into the ocean |
| 16:53.45 | sinhayash | carols: May I know what agreements need to be signed once selected? |
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| 16:53.49 | kblin | heck, I'm fine with one-on-one discussion |
| 16:53.52 | abdou_bms | sumanah: is there a limit for the number of proposals that one can send?? |
| 16:53.54 | carols | sinhayash: after acceptance? |
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| 16:53.59 | logan | hoi |
| 16:54.04 | sumanah | abdou_bms: yes, that's in the FAQ. :) |
| 16:54.04 | sinhayash | carols: yes |
| 16:54.10 | carols | sinhayash: there's no other agreements you need to sign. but you have to submit your tax forms. |
| 16:54.22 | Guest95486 | carols: hi carol ! |
| 16:54.26 | carols | hi Guest95486 |
| 16:54.30 | kblin | just not "submit-proposal-5-mins-before-deadline" ninja style stuff |
| 16:54.35 | PulkoMandy | kblin: well, nothing wrong with that, but we found that the timezone differences and lack of time on mentors side made it much slower |
| 16:54.38 | sinhayash | carols: Any links? |
| 16:54.41 | sumanah | abdou_bms: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#6._Can_a_student_submit_more_than_one |
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| 16:54.56 | loganaden | carols: I participated back in 2012 |
| 16:54.57 | kblin | PulkoMandy: sure, involving a larger community is more efficient |
| 16:55.04 | carols | sinhayash: to what? are you worried you won't be able to submit your documents or something? what's the question? |
| 16:55.07 | carols | loganaden: cool! |
| 16:55.31 | sinhayash | carols: Details on tax forms, thats it. |
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| 16:55.44 | loganaden | carols: i'd like to know if there is an email address for sending proposals to improve google summer of code structure ? |
| 16:55.45 | darnir1 | Yeah, I regularly have private one-on-one discussions with potential students. I don't mind that, but simply sending a proposal is stupid. |
| 16:55.48 | carols | sinhayash: you'll be given all the info on them and how to submit them when and if you're accepted. |
| 16:55.52 | sumanah | abdou_bms_: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#6._Can_a_student_submit_more_than_one |
| 16:55.56 | purezen | Also, is it possible to edit the application once it's submitted? |
| 16:56.01 | carols | loganaden: you mean for issues for melange? |
| 16:56.04 | darnir1 | purezen: Yes. |
| 16:56.06 | sumanah | purezen: yes, before the deadline. |
| 16:56.31 | carols | loganaden: or do you mean working on a project with melange as the mentoring org? |
| 16:56.38 | purezen | darnir1: sumanah I mean after March 21.. Till the selections are made i.e.? |
| 16:56.51 | sinhayash | carols: Can we change countries during gsoc period? |
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| 16:57.11 | carols | sinhayash: sure. just be aware there may be tax ramifications to that. |
| 16:57.15 | sumanah | purezen: You won't be able to edit the proposal *that is in Melange* after March 21. But you can communicate with your mentors to clarify things, add nuance, and so on. It depends on the org. |
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| 16:57.29 | purezen | sumanah: Ok :) |
| 16:57.31 | loganaden | carols: well, it's more about a gap in google SoC |
| 16:57.45 | carols | loganaden: sorry, i think i don't understand the question |
| 16:57.49 | carols | could you explain further? |
| 16:57.50 | mwilkes|work | sinhayash: And it means the restrictions on work permits and excluded countries have to apply to both |
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| 16:59.17 | sumanah | ishitva: to answer your earlier question: getting someone from your org to look at your proposal and give you feedback is a very good step that helps make your proposal better. Have you already done that? |
| 16:59.27 | loganaden | carols: microsoft has the student partner programme that provides continuous activities for students. I noticed that they promote windows mobile heavily. I think that it's part of their strategy to grab marketshare for the smartphone market. the closest thing that we have in Open Source is google summer of code. However, it's limited to 2/3 month duration. |
| 16:59.28 | sinhayash | What I understand is: I can change countries but there will be some tax related consequences.. which I will have to accept. right? |
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| 16:59.57 | ishitva | sumanah: I have created the application and sent the Google docs link to him , but he doesn't get much time to review it . |
| 17:00.07 | carols | loganaden: it's limited in duration because i am only one person to manage the program *and* the program is specifically timed to meet with university students' school schedules. |
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| 17:00.26 | carols | loganaden: and we run a second program, gci, in the "gap" |
| 17:00.41 | ishitva | sumanah: Although he told that , on a quick skim my application looks sound . |
| 17:00.44 | carols | loganaden: so there's really only about 2 months of the year when we don't have a student program happening. |
| 17:01.25 | mwilkes|work | carols: 2 months? Sounds like you need a third programme. |
| 17:01.31 | carols | mwilkes|work: :-P |
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| 17:02.23 | gevaerts | I suspect the third programme exists |
| 17:02.33 | sumanah | I'm glad there's a variety of programs out there now - Facebook Open Academy, GNOME's OPW, OpenHatch's Open Source Comes to Campus events, etc |
| 17:02.35 | gevaerts | It's called "Make students stay away from carols" |
| 17:02.55 | loganaden | carols: and i think that we need better outreach on each campus. i mean in my country, microsoft is pushing heavily on campuses for MSP, and i notice that they got more students than the local unix user group attending. |
| 17:02.55 | abdou_bms__ | sumanah: about the proof of enrollement does it going to be approved when we send it? |
| 17:03.09 | sumanah | !proof | abdou_bms__ |
| 17:03.09 | gsocbot | abdou_bms__: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 17:03.20 | sumanah | That page knows more than I do abdou_bms__ :) |
| 17:03.25 | carols | loganaden: i would love more outreach! we rely heavily on word of mouth- what suggestion do you have for increasing the students reaching out to their universities? |
| 17:03.28 | carols | i'd love to hear it! |
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| 17:03.33 | kblin | loganaden: this is an open source effort, feel free to organise events :) |
| 17:03.41 | abdou_bms__ | sumanah: thanx again :) |
| 17:04.06 | kblin | loganaden: as always, bug reports are great, but patches are even better :) |
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| 17:04.22 | carols | kblin: i don't think there's a bug though... |
| 17:04.24 | mwilkes|work | carols: I have some ideas. I'll talk your ear off someday |
| 17:04.30 | carols | mwilkes|work: sure. |
| 17:04.34 | carols | i'm open to it |
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| 17:04.51 | carols | i am but one person, i can never get to all the universities i'd love to have students participate from |
| 17:05.16 | sumanah | Oh interesting, https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Iqk8MTix2CN1pAgqhZqhefKTwiA7P73zQH9N46lvyB0 is a list of some proposals that KDE has accepted in the past, for use as examples |
| 17:05.19 | TCD | carols: Accept an open source cloning org for gsoc next year then ;) |
| 17:05.21 | mwilkes|work | Quite. I can't even reach all the local ones I'd like to see participate |
| 17:05.24 | kblin | carols: call it "feature requests" if you will, I'm aware the metaphor is a but of a stretch |
| 17:05.28 | loganaden | kblin: i've been active before gsoc, and after gsoc. (http://freshbsd.org/search?q=loganaden) ;-) |
| 17:05.30 | carols | TCD: we haven't gotten an app for one... |
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| 17:05.53 | gevaerts | TCD: git can do that! |
| 17:05.54 | kblin | TCD: right, with so many bioinformatics projects applying, one of them should be able to pull it off |
| 17:06.08 | carols | TCD: i will never, ever accept an org that doesn't apply |
| 17:06.12 | sumanah | This year I've offered to do videocalls to info sessions outside my area, but I think I didn't offer soon enough or spread word enough about my offer. |
| 17:06.14 | loganaden | carols: gci seems to be limited to students aged 13-17 only ? |
| 17:06.24 | TCD | considers starting one. |
| 17:06.26 | carols | loganaden: that's correct. and gsoc is for those 18 and over |
| 17:06.44 | kblin | TCD: you could also make that a project for MDO |
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| 17:06.54 | gevaerts | loganaden: the thing is, comparing microsoft marketing programmes to gsoc isn't really fair |
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| 17:07.10 | TCD | kblin: Good idea. |
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| 17:07.41 | gevaerts | Google's main activity isn't promoting open source, while Microsoft's main activity *is* promoting their stuff |
| 17:07.46 | sumanah | I spoke at an info session at a college in my area and I did a few videocalls to OpenHatch events in other parts of North America this year. Next year I hope to do more to spread the word about these internships. |
| 17:07.50 | sebifam | hey |
| 17:07.55 | sebifam | any admin here? |
| 17:08.06 | carols | sebifam: which kind? |
| 17:08.11 | carols | program admin or org admin? |
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| 17:08.24 | sebifam | program admin |
| 17:08.49 | carols | sebifam: yep |
| 17:08.51 | carols | i'm here |
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| 17:09.19 | sebifam | i want to ask about Enrollment form |
| 17:09.23 | carols | sure. |
| 17:09.24 | carols | go for it. |
| 17:09.32 | sebifam | what do i need to do:)) |
| 17:09.43 | carols | sebifam: did you read the instructions? |
| 17:09.46 | sebifam | no |
| 17:09.48 | kblin | !proof | sebifam |
| 17:09.49 | gsocbot | sebifam: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 17:10.00 | sebifam | one of my friend told me that he just uploaded an empty document |
| 17:10.10 | sebifam | so he can proceed to the next step:)) |
| 17:10.13 | carols | sebifam: what does that have to do with you? :-) |
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| 17:10.20 | sumanah | sebifam: Please read instructions before asking questions. We need to balance between person-to-person discussion and documentation that everyone can read, so we save time answering common questions but also get everyone the personal help they need. Does that make sense? |
| 17:10.32 | sumanah | (just my opinion) |
| 17:10.34 | kblin | carols: maybe that's one of these "...asking for a friend" cases? |
| 17:10.42 | carols | sure |
| 17:10.46 | sebifam | i was just asking |
| 17:10.52 | sebifam | i am reading right now |
| 17:10.55 | sebifam | than you |
| 17:11.04 | carols | great |
| 17:11.08 | loganaden | gevaerts: i'm not comparing. I'm merely pointing out that microsoft has a continuous year-long activity plan for students. if a student is already engaged in the MSP, i doubt that he would be able to find time to participate in a gsoc. slowly, microsoft strategy is going to pay off in the long term. i'd argue that there is a gap that needs to be filled on the open source side. |
| 17:11.09 | carols | yw |
| 17:11.14 | kblin | sebifam: google will contact people for more documentation if the provided docs aren't appropriate |
| 17:11.15 | croozeus | Hi carols.. I got a question |
| 17:11.20 | carols | croozeus: sure |
| 17:11.31 | gevaerts | loganaden: maybe, but that doesn't make it a gap in *gsoc* |
| 17:11.36 | croozeus | carols: is it possible for a org admin to also mentor? |
| 17:11.42 | carols | croozeus: sure |
| 17:11.44 | carols | happens all the time |
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| 17:11.51 | kblin | waves at croozeus |
| 17:11.53 | panzone | loganaden: i never seen anything like gsoc from Microsoft |
| 17:11.57 | kblin | done that before |
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| 17:12.01 | sumanah | Yeah, I did that croozeus. I think that it's a bad idea but it's possible! |
| 17:12.03 | PulkoMandy | loganaden: students can join open source orgs anytime |
| 17:12.07 | sumanah | (too much work, I think) |
| 17:12.07 | TonyF | Hello everyon，I have a problem.How can I konw my enrollment form is accept? |
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| 17:12.16 | croozeus | carols: ok great, I can see the 'wish to mentor' button but just wanted to make sure |
| 17:12.17 | carols | TonyF: did you submit your proposal? |
| 17:12.21 | carols | croozeus: yep |
| 17:12.24 | mwilkes|work | I think it depends on the size of the org. If you have <5ish students I doubt it's a problem to mentor and admin |
| 17:12.26 | kblin | carols: there's a bug in melange |
| 17:12.29 | kblin | er croozeus |
| 17:12.31 | TonyF | Yes |
| 17:12.32 | kblin | sorry |
| 17:12.46 | croozeus | kblin: what bug? |
| 17:12.48 | carols | TonyF: and did you receive an email from my team saying you need to submit another document? |
| 17:12.55 | TonyF | I just submitted it yesterday |
| 17:13.06 | TonyF | Not yet |
| 17:13.13 | PulkoMandy | loganaden: also, I don't remember getting anything like this from Microsoft in my school. However, I did a talk about open source and got two other students have a try at summer of code |
| 17:13.14 | carols | TonyF: then you are fine. |
| 17:13.20 | kblin | croozeus: as far as I understand, that button doesn't work yet :) |
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| 17:13.29 | TonyF | Thank you! |
| 17:13.44 | carols | yw |
| 17:13.56 | croozeus | kblin: I see. I suppose it should work by 7th april.. that's when mentors are to be matched with projects |
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| 17:14.42 | kblin | loganaden: I've never seen anything from microsoft at my university either, apart from the occasional "try to get students to buy software they get from their university for free" booths |
| 17:15.09 | kblin | that said, time to go home and start foraging for dinner :) |
| 17:15.26 | TCD | we get emails about the free MS stuff, but that's about it here |
| 17:15.37 | PulkoMandy | ah, yes there was that |
| 17:15.51 | loganaden | kblin: in my uni they are pretty active. |
| 17:16.10 | loganaden | kblin: well, the uni i used to attend |
| 17:16.34 | PulkoMandy | loganaden: maybe you can fix the university, rather than fixing GSoC ? |
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| 17:18.07 | sebifam | carols? |
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| 17:19.31 | sebifam | i have read all about enrollment form and i did not understand something. |
| 17:19.38 | pchaigno | !amigoodenough |
| 17:19.38 | gsocbot | pchaigno: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 17:19.45 | skoushik | carols: Hi. I'm submitting my student ID card as a proof of enrollment. Does that need to have specific dates in them? Mine mentions only the year |
| 17:19.49 | loganaden | PulkoMandy: there is nothing to fix in gsoc. it works pretty well. |
| 17:20.10 | sumanah | loganaden: I disagree on "nothing to fix", but it's a topic for another time |
| 17:20.32 | sebifam | skoushik i think i will upload a photo that proof that i am at university.. |
| 17:20.46 | gevaerts | loganaden: "it's more about a gap in google SoC"... :) |
| 17:20.59 | sumanah | more broadly, re open source engagement on college campuses, this one-day workshop http://campus.openhatch.org/ has a big impact and it would be great if more people tried to bring it to their campuses in the August-December timeframe, to give students time to start prepping well in advance of GSoC |
| 17:21.34 | carols | skoushik: it needs to be valid for this year, so that's fine |
| 17:21.45 | carols | sebifam: yes? |
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| 17:21.58 | loganaden | gevaerts: the idea would be to have a global set of programme that also encompasses gsoc. |
| 17:22.11 | skoushik | carols: Ok. Thanks! |
| 17:22.15 | carols | yw |
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| 17:22.58 | sebifam | i don't understand what they mean by" card that shows you were enrolled as of 21 April 2014" |
| 17:23.02 | loganaden | gevaerts: i'm listening to feedback i get here :) |
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| 17:23.19 | carols | sebifam: it needs to be valid from your university for that date. |
| 17:23.19 | loganaden | sumanah: thank you very much ! |
| 17:23.25 | loganaden | sumanah: that's what i was looking for |
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| 17:23.45 | sebifam | okey, so it's fine if i upload the student card that proof that i am at university |
| 17:23.55 | sebifam | i will upload a photo |
| 17:24.07 | sumanah | loganaden: :D Please feel free to go ahead and join #openhatch to talk with other OHers :) |
| 17:24.13 | PulkoMandy | yes, student card (with the year on it) will probably work |
| 17:24.31 | sebifam | okey, thank you very much again |
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| 17:25.28 | mwilkes|work | sebifam, PulkoMandy: How would that prove you were enrolled on the 21st of April? |
| 17:26.04 | sebifam | or before says |
| 17:26.24 | loganaden | sumanah: openhatch is what I was looking for |
| 17:26.28 | loganaden | sumanah: awesome |
| 17:26.38 | sumanah | loganaden: Great! |
| 17:26.40 | sebifam | i started school on october |
| 17:26.52 | sebifam | i don't know man... |
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| 17:27.39 | TonyF | I just use IRC |
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| 17:28.14 | TonyF | for few times,can someone tell me what client you use? |
| 17:28.19 | PulkoMandy | mwilkes|work: well, when I was a student, we had a certificate with the exact dates on it in my school - it seems not all of them are doing this :( |
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| 17:34.13 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
| 17:34.38 | loganaden | carols: thank you for finding time to answer my questions :-) |
| 17:34.44 | carols | loganaden: yw :-) |
| 17:35.04 | sebifam | i just checked my student id card |
| 17:35.17 | sebifam | and says when i started the school and where am i |
| 17:35.35 | sebifam | so it must be good enough |
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| 17:37.29 | rkmohapatra | what is the ratio of student appling and gettinng selected |
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| 17:37.42 | carols | !numapps | rkmohapatra |
| 17:37.43 | gsocbot | rkmohapatra: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
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| 17:38.39 | rkmohapatra | 1:4 |
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| 17:39.12 | rkmohapatra | this yr ?? any idea probability |
| 17:39.40 | carols | rkmohapatra: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#6._How_many_students_does_Google_expect |
| 17:39.42 | gevaerts | !odds | rkmohapatra |
| 17:39.42 | gsocbot | rkmohapatra: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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| 17:46.17 | anoopcs | Just now I uploaded my enrollment form on melange. How to submit the proposal then? |
| 17:46.30 | carols | anoopcs: click on the button on the front page |
| 17:46.31 | panzone | go to the homepage |
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| 17:47.01 | anoopcs | Ok then. |
| 17:47.30 | anoopcs | Yup. Thanks... |
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| 17:48.01 | anoopcs | carols: Thanks |
| 17:48.04 | carols | yw |
| 17:48.16 | anoopcs | panzone: Thanks |
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| 17:48.57 | panzone | anoopcs: np |
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| 17:50.36 | anoopcs | panzone: One more thing. |
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| 17:51.24 | anoopcs | How can I get to know whether my enrollment form I uploaded is accepted or not? |
| 17:51.35 | gevaerts | !proof | anoopcs |
| 17:51.35 | gsocbot | anoopcs: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 17:52.04 | gevaerts | Pay special attention to the bit that says "If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you" |
| 17:52.57 | anoopcs | gevaerts: Roger that. |
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| 17:54.45 | anoopcs | gevaerts: If it is not what needed, how long it will take to request back for an alternative document? |
| 17:55.03 | carols | anoopcs: don't worry about any of this not. |
| 17:55.09 | carols | worry about making a great proposal |
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| 17:55.18 | carols | and working with your org to craft it correctly |
| 17:55.43 | anoopcs | carols: Fine. |
| 17:55.47 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:58.46 | skoushik | carols: During the interim period, is it possible to edit the proposal? Or, are additional proposal details given in IRC/mailing list of the org? |
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| 17:58.52 | carols | skoushik: sure |
| 17:59.00 | carols | oh wait |
| 17:59.04 | carols | do you mean after friday? |
| 17:59.06 | carols | or do you mean now? |
| 17:59.18 | skoushik | carols: I mean, after the application deadline |
| 17:59.21 | carols | no |
| 17:59.31 | carols | once the deadline has passed you're committed |
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| 17:59.45 | carols | so edit it now :-) |
| 17:59.48 | carols | if you need to |
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| 18:00.24 | skoushik | carols: Ok. But what happens during the interim period? I see that "the organisation can request further proposal detail" ? |
| 18:01.12 | sumanah | Yes. They can ask questions so you can answer with clarifications and nuances, skoushik |
| 18:01.24 | sumanah | it'll be like a comment thread under your original proposal. |
| 18:01.31 | sumanah | (if it is like it was in previous years) |
| 18:02.05 | carols | skoushik: correct. you can still add comments in response to org questions |
| 18:02.10 | carols | but no, you cannot modify the proposal |
| 18:02.49 | skoushik | Ah, okay. Thank you, sumanah & carols |
| 18:02.52 | carols | yw |
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| 18:08.46 | guest112 | where exactly do we upload the proposal on the gsoc website? |
| 18:09.01 | carols | guest112: have you filled out your profile and submitted your proof of enrollment? |
| 18:09.46 | guest112 | ah, i see. haven't submitted the POE yet. |
| 18:09.53 | guest112 | thanks! |
| 18:09.56 | carols | there ya go. |
| 18:09.56 | carols | yw |
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| 18:19.38 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 18:20.21 | Ivanovic | tea is great! |
| 18:20.40 | Ivanovic | should help with my throat |
| 18:21.06 | downey | serves a nice Irish breakfast tea |
| 18:21.10 | Ivanovic | is still not 100% fit and does really feel his throat after a day of work |
| 18:21.34 | gevaerts | recommends that Ivanovic quit his throat-singing job |
| 18:21.58 | Ivanovic | the doc thinks it is some real illness |
| 18:22.11 | Ivanovic | but after being at home for 2 weeks i could no longer stand it, had to go back to work today |
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| 18:23.13 | sumanah | Ivanovic: Hope you feel better soon! I also hate the enforced immobility of being ill. |
| 18:23.30 | Ivanovic | sumanah: oh, i feel rather well |
| 18:23.36 | Ivanovic | it is just that talking hurts |
| 18:23.43 | sumanah | :( I'm glad you have IRC. |
| 18:23.44 | Ivanovic | freaking laryngithis |
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| 18:26.02 | TCD | Is there a /rough/ idea of how long a proposal usually is, wordcount wise? |
| 18:26.20 | Ivanovic | TCD: depends on org and student |
| 18:26.25 | TCD | hm. |
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| 18:27.03 | Ivanovic | TCD: what usually makes a good student proposal is: |
| 18:27.19 | Ivanovic | 1) details and understanding of the org and the project |
| 18:27.31 | Ivanovic | 2) timeline with milestones |
| 18:27.41 | Ivanovic | 3) insight into the existing codebase |
| 18:27.58 | TCD | Got it, thanks |
| 18:28.06 | gevaerts | 4) communication |
| 18:28.23 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: but '4' is already required for '1' |
| 18:28.25 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:28.38 | guest112 | what happens when I make two proposals, and both orgs select me? do I get a say in where I go? |
| 18:28.45 | Ivanovic | guest112: maybe |
| 18:28.49 | gevaerts | Ivanovic: they could have been lurking in your irc channel for *years*! |
| 18:28.53 | Ivanovic | guest112: some orgs ask, others not |
| 18:29.10 | terri | guest112: depends on their needs. If you have a serious preference, you can note it in your application. |
| 18:29.14 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: that is usually not enough since the timeline is pretty individual |
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| 18:29.35 | gevaerts | Ivanovic: yes, but that's 2, not 1 :) |
| 18:29.40 | Ivanovic | guest112: never apply for a project you would not like to do |
| 18:29.43 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: ah, right |
| 18:29.58 | Ivanovic | back to work after 2 weeks really kills the brain... |
| 18:30.00 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 18:30.34 | Anupkumar | hey wat to ask some thing regarding GSoC? |
| 18:30.39 | Anupkumar | want* |
| 18:30.40 | guest112 | alright. thanks! |
| 18:30.48 | gevaerts | !ask | Anupkumar |
| 18:30.48 | gsocbot | Anupkumar: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Also see !smartquestions. |
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| 18:31.00 | gevaerts | likes gsocbot factoids :) |
| 18:31.23 | carols | Anupkumar: yes? |
| 18:31.27 | carols | what's the question? |
| 18:31.32 | Anupkumar | It might sound weird, but please consider it |
| 18:31.38 | carols | go ahead |
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| 18:31.43 | carols | you have my permission to ask |
| 18:32.36 | Anupkumar | what is the role of Google in the accepting projects and assiginig it to the students? |
| 18:32.46 | carols | google has no role in that |
| 18:32.56 | carols | nor should we. |
| 18:32.56 | Ivanovic | Anupkumar: it all depends on the orgs |
| 18:33.07 | Ivanovic | google only pays the bill at the end |
| 18:33.08 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 18:33.32 | gevaerts | Well, google checks that the paperwork is ok |
| 18:33.43 | Anupkumar | Means either you people can select or the organization can select is it some thing like that? |
| 18:33.44 | gevaerts | proof of enrollment and things like that |
| 18:33.46 | TCD | 'yep, this is paper' |
| 18:34.10 | Ivanovic | Anupkumar: the members of the organization will select which students they want to mentor |
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| 18:34.40 | Ivanovic | and based on the proposals they get they tell google "this year we can and want to mentor X students" |
| 18:34.44 | Anupkumar | Ivanovic: "Members of the organization" in the sense the mentors? |
| 18:35.05 | gevaerts | Could be |
| 18:35.05 | Ivanovic | at some point google then does matching and fixing the number of slots, so the org might get X students or X-1 or X-2 students |
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| 18:35.13 | Ivanovic | Anupkumar: usually |
| 18:35.18 | gevaerts | Technically the organisation's administrator decides |
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| 18:35.44 | Anupkumar | gevaerts: depending on the proposal? |
| 18:35.53 | Ivanovic | Anupkumar: the basics regarding which student to select and how ranking works completely depends on the orgs |
| 18:36.04 | Anupkumar | ok |
| 18:36.17 | gevaerts | Depending on whatever the organisation wants |
| 18:36.21 | Ivanovic | usually some people "somehow involved in gsoc for this org" (usually meaning possible mentors and org admins) review the proposals |
| 18:36.28 | Anupkumar | so, what about the evaluation process? |
| 18:36.34 | Ivanovic | they make sure to communicate with the students and "meet" internally to discuss |
| 18:37.01 | Anupkumar | means there is something like midterm evaluation right? waht is that |
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| 18:37.08 | Anupkumar | what * |
| 18:37.13 | Ivanovic | that is later on |
| 18:37.31 | Ivanovic | those mid term evaluations are just a way to check in the middle of the program if the student is performing or not |
| 18:37.39 | Anupkumar | Ivanovic: during that period what actuallty happens? |
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| 18:37.48 | Ivanovic | if the student (and the org!) are performing, it goes on, if not: the student is out and gets no further money |
| 18:37.50 | Anupkumar | Ivanovic: ok |
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| 18:38.32 | Ivanovic | if the org is not performing (aka making sure to provide the student with reasonable support) then the org will have a problem when talking to carols |
| 18:39.15 | Ivanovic | yes, it is accepted that some students will fail in those evaluations, so for orgs it is not (too) bad if the students fail in the context of gsoc, what would be bad is if the student had noone to talk to and no feedback at all |
| 18:39.17 | Anupkumar | Ivanovic: is carols the GSoC head? |
| 18:39.25 | carols | Anupkumar: yes, she is |
| 18:40.01 | Anupkumar | carols: I think you replied to me on mail |
| 18:40.05 | carols | great |
| 18:40.20 | Anupkumar | u r carol smith right? |
| 18:40.26 | carols | yes, i am |
| 18:40.45 | Anupkumar | carols: yeppie..... nice meeting you back. |
| 18:40.51 | carols | cheers |
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| 18:42.17 | Anupkumar | carols: this time I am applying for two organizations, one is Mozilla and the second is gnome |
| 18:43.10 | Anupkumar | what is the max no of applications an applicant can apply for one particular organization? |
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| 18:43.54 | Ivanovic | Anupkumar: a higher number than you are able to write good and outstanding proposals! |
| 18:44.13 | Ivanovic | (getting a proposal done well is a lot of work and requires quite some time) |
| 18:44.46 | Anupkumar | Ivanovic: I know that....coz now I am struggling hard with Mozilla's proposal |
| 18:44.50 | Anupkumar | :D |
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| 18:49.51 | terri | Anupkumar: You can have 5 applications total across gsoc. No rules about per-org limits on top of that. |
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| 18:58.48 | edu159 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.41 | carols | edu159: they can see public name and email address. |
| 19:00.17 | edu159 | carols: Thanks :) |
| 19:00.21 | carols | yw |
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| 19:06.52 | terceiro | hello, can anyone help me with melange? I am trying to fill in http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/register/org_member/google/gsoc2014 but the requests takes a long time, and then I get a "The connection was reset" |
| 19:07.18 | carols | terceiro: #melange can help you |
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| 19:08.06 | terceiro | carols: noted, thanks |
| 19:08.14 | carols | yw |
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| 19:19.27 | olly | carols: the username is visible to orgs in URLs of proposals though |
| 19:19.37 | carols | olly: true. |
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| 19:20.06 | carols | i guess if the org felt they really were going to decide the quality of the proposal from a student based on their username they could look at that |
| 19:20.09 | olly | though I'm sure I told him/her that days ago in response to essentially the same question |
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| 19:20.25 | olly | carols: yeah, I said not to worry about it |
| 19:20.29 | carols | yeah |
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| 19:23.14 | olly | carols: we're getting quite a lot of students asking if a camera photo of enrollment proof is OK (the page says "scanned") - it would be good to clarify the page I think |
| 19:23.33 | carols | sure |
| 19:23.35 | olly | i've been telling them it's probably OK but make sure it's in focus, and legible |
| 19:23.35 | carols | thanks |
| 19:24.06 | olly | great |
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| 19:28.08 | beardey | it says on my orgs page that once were done with our app we should submit it directly to them through melange, but im not seeing how to do that |
| 19:28.23 | carols | beardey: did you create a profile and submit your proof of enrollment? |
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| 19:28.39 | beardey | carols: yes |
| 19:28.49 | carols | beardey: then it will be the button on the front page |
| 19:29.16 | beardey | carols: but i submitted my proof of enrollment about half an hour ago so it may not have been approved |
| 19:29.29 | carols | beardey: what's the button on the front page say? |
| 19:29.42 | beardey | carols: nevermind, it's there now |
| 19:29.46 | carols | great |
| 19:29.51 | beardey | carols: thanks! |
| 19:29.56 | carols | yw |
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| 19:55.23 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 20:08.46 | VaticanCameos | secretly adds energizer stimulants into the beverages |
| 20:09.00 | carols | isn't that what caffeine is for? :-) |
| 20:09.21 | VaticanCameos | People get used to caffeine, the effect wears off |
| 20:09.33 | carols | that means they're drinking too much... |
| 20:09.45 | VaticanCameos | Yep! |
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| 20:14.13 | mbt | Hi, I just submitted the enrollment form to www.google-melange.com. I am not sure whether I am eligible to join GSoC . Do you know how long it is gonna take to get acceptance response from Google? Thanks! |
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| 20:14.44 | carols | mbt: do you have a submit proposal button on the front page? |
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| 20:15.40 | mbt | Sorry, Not yet. I have in mind one position I would like to work for GSoC 2014. But I am afraid I am not eligible to join GSoC. |
| 20:15.50 | carols | mbt: i don't understand |
| 20:16.04 | carols | did you submit your proof of enrollment and you want to submit a proposal now? |
| 20:16.10 | carols | or are you asking something different? |
| 20:16.34 | mbt | Oh, I mean, I just submitted my enrollment, not yet proposal. |
| 20:16.47 | carols | mbt: so okay. what's the question again? |
| 20:16.51 | mbt | because I am not sure whether I could join GSoC |
| 20:16.51 | carols | sorry, i'm easily confused. |
| 20:17.20 | carols | well, you're the only one who can determine if you are eligible for the program and if you meet the eligibility criteria. |
| 20:17.33 | carols | i assume if you submitted a proof of enrollment form you had already figured out that you're eligible |
| 20:19.07 | mbt | yes, I think I am eligible to join GSoC but from FQA, it is said that "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." |
| 20:19.12 | carols | right |
| 20:19.14 | carols | that's correct |
| 20:19.19 | carols | so again, what's the question? |
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| 20:19.44 | mbt | ok, sorry Carols. Let me explain again. |
| 20:19.47 | carols | thanks |
| 20:20.44 | mbt | well, my question is how long does it take for Google to review my enrollment form? |
| 20:20.57 | carols | google will contact you if there's a problem |
| 20:21.02 | carols | it takes us a varying amount of time |
| 20:21.06 | carols | for now, just submit your proposal |
| 20:21.13 | mbt | Ok, I see. |
| 20:21.34 | mbt | Thanks Carols! |
| 20:21.40 | carols | there are thousands of students and only 3 of us :-) |
| 20:21.52 | carols | so we want you to just submit your proposal and we'll let you know if there's an issue |
| 20:21.56 | mbt | Ah, ha ha. I understand |
| 20:22.17 | mbt | and, can I ask you more :D |
| 20:22.22 | carols | sure |
| 20:22.56 | Lyude | Are you supposed to submit your enrollment before your proposal? |
| 20:23.02 | carols | Lyude: yes |
| 20:23.03 | carols | you have to |
| 20:23.13 | Lyude | Alright, I'll get that done right now then |
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| 20:24.19 | mbt | well, from the profile editing page, there is only three options to choose DEGREE from, namely, Undergraduate, Master, PhD. But my study is Post-Master program (2 years) |
| 20:24.39 | carols | mbt: then choose masters. |
| 20:25.00 | mbt | ok, I see.Got the answer. |
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| 20:25.14 | mbt | Thanks Carols, You are very supportive. |
| 20:25.17 | carols | yw |
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| 20:29.16 | ashley | quick question regarding the Student Participant Agreement -- said agreement specifies that "that any Project Submission is your own and original, previously unpublished, and previously unproduced work" (and so on); would it be considered acceptable to develop new code on top of pre-existing, GPL-licensed code? |
| 20:29.37 | carols | ashley: sure, that's fine with me as long as it's fine with the org |
| 20:29.57 | ashley | carols: ah, splendid; thank you for the quick reply :D |
| 20:30.02 | carols | yw |
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| 21:17.26 | wkoszek | There's no problem with 1 mentor mentoring 2 projects within the same org? |
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| 21:20.44 | olly | wkoszek: it's not recommended unless they have a lot of free time |
| 21:20.59 | olly | i'd certainly advise against it unless they've mentored a student in gsoc before |
| 21:21.06 | wkoszek | OK. |
| 21:21.26 | olly | mentors are usually surprised how much work it actually can be |
| 21:21.57 | terri | Yeah. It's not impossible to be the backup mentor on more than one student, but I'd discourage folk from being the primary on more than one unless they're retired or something. |
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| 21:23.53 | olly | better to mentor one student well than two less well |
| 21:23.57 | wkoszek | But it's not officially prohibited? |
| 21:24.12 | olly | no |
| 21:24.43 | wkoszek | OK. I'd basically try to mentor 2 projects, with both of them having co-mentors too. So it'd be 2 people working with the student. |
| 21:24.57 | olly | but if the students don't get enough attention, the feedback to google will reflect that |
| 21:25.11 | olly | wkoszek: that's more reasonable |
| 21:25.52 | wkoszek | olly: Students also provide the feedback about the organization, right? |
| 21:26.00 | olly | yes |
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| 21:27.51 | wkoszek | OK. |
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| 21:35.11 | wkoszek | Also I'm wondering how organizations manage staying on track of student's work |
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| 21:35.34 | wkoszek | E.g.: I'll be mentoring for FreeBSD Project and would like to monitor the progress on a regular basis. |
| 21:35.58 | umccullough | ask the student to work from a public repo? |
| 21:36.00 | wkoszek | I believe it's OK to ask for a daily status update on GSoC task. |
| 21:36.03 | amrnt | I have an issue with getting a university enrollment letter... with who i can chat? |
| 21:36.21 | wkoszek | umccullough: Sure, we always work that way. |
| 21:36.26 | olly | wkoszek: you can ask for status reports at whatever frequency you feel works best |
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| 21:36.50 | wkoszek | But I mean situation in which I see no commits may mean different things. |
| 21:36.55 | olly | some orgs require or encourage students to blog |
| 21:37.13 | olly | mostly you need to make the expectations clear |
| 21:37.13 | wkoszek | If I get a daily writeup, I can feel if they're making progress/struggling. |
| 21:37.26 | olly | and if they fail to meet them, reinforce them promptly |
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| 21:38.17 | perepujal | amrnt: carols is the right person |
| 21:38.25 | raitech | when am I able to submit a proposal, only after the enrollment form is confirmed? |
| 21:38.47 | olly | raitech: after the enrollment form is uploaded |
| 21:38.59 | olly | checking 5000 forms will take a while |
| 21:39.14 | olly | if carols manages one a minute, it's 2 solid working weeks... |
| 21:39.21 | terri | amrnt: also, do note that the general response on the subject of enrollment letters is "upload whatever you *can* get and if google needs more they will ask" |
| 21:39.54 | raitech | olly: oh, I see... thank you! |
| 21:40.06 | amrnt | perepujal: where to find carlos? |
| 21:40.12 | raitech | I have submitted a form, but can not find the place to submit a proposal... |
| 21:40.23 | olly | raitech: link should be on the front page |
| 21:40.25 | amrnt | terri: Thanks for the tip, but i want to make sure of something |
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| 21:42.22 | marti1125 | hi |
| 21:42.34 | perepujal | amrnt: not carlos, carols, usually here at that time of the day |
| 21:42.53 | marti1125 | any mentor of apache ? |
| 21:43.30 | amrnt | perepujal: oh i see. thanks. |
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| 21:45.34 | raitech | olly: thank you, the only obvious one I do not visit |
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| 21:46.28 | olly | amrnt: carols will probably just tell you what terri said |
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| 22:44.47 | swithana | hi |
| 22:45.23 | carols | hi swithana |
| 22:45.38 | swithana | Hi, I have a question |
| 22:45.44 | carols | sure |
| 22:45.51 | swithana | Currently I'm working in US |
| 22:46.00 | swithana | until like April/May |
| 22:46.00 | carols | okay... |
| 22:46.10 | swithana | but I'll be going home ( Sri Lanka) in May |
| 22:46.18 | swithana | so what should I put as the address |
| 22:46.33 | carols | you should put your current address and then change it when you move. |
| 22:46.35 | swithana | I noticed that I can have the shipping address different from whatever I put it |
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| 22:46.40 | carols | yes |
| 22:46.45 | swithana | would it make a difference for the Tax scenarios? |
| 22:46.56 | carols | that's between you and the country you reside in |
| 22:47.03 | carols | you'd need to ask a tax professional that |
| 22:47.25 | swithana | what's the significance of having a different address for shipping? |
| 22:47.42 | carols | swithana: if you are accepted you will be shipped a welcome package and it will go to your shipping address. |
| 22:48.46 | swithana | what's the point of having another address? |
| 22:48.57 | swithana | apart from the shipping address ( I'm just curious) |
| 22:49.11 | carols | swithana: if, for example, you lived in brazil but wanted your friend in the czech republic to review your promotional items. |
| 22:50.17 | swithana | oh okay |
| 22:50.26 | swithana | Thanks a lot @carol for helping out :) |
| 22:50.31 | carols | yw |
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| 23:15.19 | Lyude | Are the female t-shirts you guys send out v-necks? |
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| 23:16.16 | terri | Lyude: they haven't been in previous years |
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| 23:33.06 | Lyude | We can add a blog, photo, etc. later to the profile right |
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