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05:15.28EdwardChengHi, I'm writting a proposal, public it would be better? or make visibility private?
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05:27.57rajulhi all....
05:28.04rajuli have submitted my proposal
05:28.13rajuland put its visibility as public
05:28.37rajulbut still it asks me to log in to view it using a google account everytime i try to log it...
05:28.57rajulmy organisation's people are unable to view it.....
05:29.02rajulwhat is the problem??
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05:40.06LelouchPFHi  all :)
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05:40.50LelouchPFI have a question, did you have a problem for the select country when you create student profil ?
05:41.19rajulLelouchPF: no
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05:42.17LelouchPF:/
05:42.42LelouchPFI have a problem when I select "Polynesia (French)" :/
05:42.57thiagothe problem is the parentheses
05:43.10thiagotype manually: French Polynesia
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05:43.35LelouchPFI will try but it"s a <select>
05:44.57LelouchPFnot work :/
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05:51.05NiharikaLelouchPF: Is there an ¨Others¨ option?
05:51.10rnati cannot see my proposal in list of proposals , is this normal? eventhough the data was submitted successfully?
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05:51.24NiharikaLelouchPF: Or better, ask in #melange.
05:51.36Niharikarnat: No,not normal. You should see it there.
05:51.49NiharikaWhere are you looking at the list?
05:52.00rnatshould i resubmit then?
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05:52.58Niharikarnat: Yes, I guess you should.
05:53.06rnatok
05:53.24LelouchPFnot "others" option
05:53.51LelouchPFI try in #melange thanks :)
05:55.21rnathow do i insert an image into the proposal using gsoc website
05:56.13rnatinsert image option needs image url .. well the image is in my box..
05:56.29Niharikarnat: Upload it to imgur.com and give the link.
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07:46.55ssshello, can anybody tell me that as a proof of enrollment can I provide student ID with enrollment dates hand written i.e. only dates are in not printable form everything else is..
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07:51.27olly!proof | sss
07:51.27gsocbotsss: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
07:52.08sssgsocbot: I read that, that
07:52.23sssthat's why I'm having doubt
07:52.54sssI've an ID in which date is hand written
07:52.59ollysss: including the bit about "Rather than ask questions" ?
07:53.17ollyit doesn't say dates can't be handwritten
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07:53.39ollyit also says to submit and if there's an issue they'll get back to you
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07:54.04sssolly: ok, and yes can it be a clicked photo from mobile
07:54.24ollysss: I have no idea, but the page doesn't say it can't be
07:54.35ollytherefore...
07:54.44sssok, thanks
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07:58.02ollysss: make sure it's legible though (in focus, etc)
07:58.48sssolly: ya, ofcourse
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08:03.06dufferzafarI uploaded my proof 2/3 days ago, I haven't been contacted, does that mean it's okay?
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08:04.49ollydufferzafar: or it hasn't been checked yet
08:04.58ollyno need to worry either way
08:05.18dufferzafaralright!
08:05.43dufferzafarI dont think I am being accepted, anyways... :/
08:07.03ollywork hard on your proposal, get it submitted as early as you can and respond promptly to feedback from the org
08:07.13sssare we getting any kinda acknowledgement on receipt of proof
08:07.14ollyho hum
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09:03.14aka_if there is no format specified by any organisation, is there any specific guidelines or a rough format for the proposals for gsoc?
09:05.07olly!studentguide | aka
09:05.07gsocbotolly: Error: No such user.
09:05.10olly!studentguide | aka_
09:05.10gsocbotaka_: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
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09:05.18ollythere are some sample proposals in there
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09:36.18CharlesHsiahello everyone, if I submit my proposal, can I modify it?
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09:37.19NiharikaCharlesHsia: Yes, you can.
09:39.50CharlesHsiaCan I submit proposal after 21, Mar?
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09:41.40madrazrCharlesHsia: of course not
09:41.52madrazrCharlesHsia: March 21st is a hard stop
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09:42.39madrazrCharlesHsia: also you should be aware of the fact that it is always dangerous to even wait until the last minute
09:42.52madrazrthanks to Uncle Murphy, bad things always happen in the last minute
09:43.17madrazralso our experience has shown that our system (Melange) goes through high traffic during the last few minutes of submission deadline
09:43.56madrazrand students in the past have complained about not being able to reach the website at that time
09:44.19CharlesHsiayeah, thanks a lot
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09:48.39ollyCharlesHsia: if you submit your proposal in plenty of time, the org can give you useful feedback and you can then improve it
09:48.46ollythe proposals are editable until the deadline
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09:50.03CharlesHsiaall right, Im writing my proposal
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10:01.06ishitvaHello all , I want to ask can I submit the application in PDF form ?
10:01.31ollyishitva: needs to be HTML
10:01.32Ivanovicishitva: this does not make much sense
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10:01.40Ivanovicishitva: the orgs will ask you for updates
10:01.51ishitvaOkay
10:01.51Ivanovic(and changes)
10:02.12ishitvaOnce I submit we can change our applicatioon contents later on ?
10:02.29Ivanovicyes, changes are possible
10:02.41ishitvaI have written my application in .doc format , so will it do ?
10:02.44Ivanovicafter the 21st the org will probably have to review the proposal and then actively allow changes
10:02.56Ivanoviccopy the stuff into the web interface and keep it in there
10:03.03Ivanovicno need to a .doc or .pdf
10:03.06ishitvaOkay
10:03.09Ivanovicyou will not print and mail things!
10:03.16ishitvaOkay , yes !
10:03.50ishitvamy application is of 5 pages . I hope it is acceptable ?
10:04.01Ivanovicask your org!
10:04.06ishitvaOkay
10:04.09Ivanovicyou should be communicating with them about the content
10:04.19Ivanovicthey will tell you what they expect and how you should enhance things
10:04.23ishitvaI have followed the application template they have provided .
10:04.33Ivanovicstill you should talk to them
10:04.42ishitvaOkay , so can I send a copy of the draft to my menotrs in advance for a feedback ?
10:04.45panzoneishitva: depends. You wrote 5 pages, ok, but what are in this 5 pages xD ?
10:04.47Ivanovicthis application is no case of fire and forget
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10:05.07ishitvaokay
10:05.08Ivanovicyou can also submit to the google tracker and then ask the folks for feedback
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10:05.16Ivanovicuse the normal communication channels the org has
10:05.26ishitvaHow do I access google tracker ?
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10:05.40Ivanovicmany orgs will expect you to communicate with them as if you were a normal developer, meaning using irc, mailinglists or whatever the org uses
10:05.45Ivanovicgoogle-melange.com
10:05.54ishitvapanzone: Everything which they had specified in their template
10:05.54Ivanovicthat is the google provided tracker for gsoc
10:06.02ishitvaIvanovic: Okay
10:06.07panzoneishtva: sure, you should send to your org. For example i published my proposal as public and ask on irc and mailin lists for feedback
10:06.19ishitvaOkay
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10:06.44Ivanovicat least 75% of being accepted is your communication with the org and how you improve the proposel over time based on feedback
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10:07.26ishitvaOkay  .How good are my chances of getting selected if I have submitted three patches already for that project ?
10:07.47Ivanovicsubmitting patches definitely helps
10:08.01Ivanovicbut in the end it comes down to you working together with the org and communicating with them
10:08.17ishitvaOkay , and I wanted to ask the time period of coding , is it 12 weeks in total ?
10:08.26olly13 weeks
10:08.28Ivanovic!timeline
10:08.28gsocbotIvanovic: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014
10:08.36Ivanovicishitva: there is the timeline
10:08.46ishitvaOkay
10:08.58ishitvaLet me check
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10:24.34ishitvaIvanovic: Which file do we have to upload for the Enrollment form ?
10:24.51Ivanovicishitva: some kind of proof that you are a student
10:25.10Ivanovicso if you have some kind of "proof of enrollment": scan or photograph it and upload that
10:25.12ishitvaI have already uploaded the prrof of enrollment .
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10:25.40Ivanovicthen you should have a huge link on the frontpage where you can submit your proposal
10:25.51waldido they ask much earlier now for this information?
10:25.51Ivanovicthere you just select your org and fill in the provided fields
10:26.05Ivanovic(i don't know the interface there so i can't provide you with detailed help)
10:26.09ishitvaNo it doesn't appear
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10:26.22ishitvaMaybe my prrof of enrollment did't get accepted ?
10:26.37waldiwhat does not appear?
10:27.15ishitvaThe form to fill in the proposal
10:29.17ishitvaBut I had uploaded the scans of my enrollement form three days back
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10:29.42Ivanovicdid you receive a message from google that you need to provide something else / more?
10:29.48ishitvaNo
10:29.52Ivanovicfor example a translated version of the proof?
10:30.05ishitvaI din't get any message
10:30.06Ivanovicthen go to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014
10:30.24Ivanoviccan you make a screenshot of that one and upload it to http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add ?
10:30.33Ivanovicon that page you should have some way to submit your proposal
10:31.08ishitvaLet me upload the screenshot , it was in two parts , the fron and the back
10:31.14waldidid you read http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
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10:32.32ishitvaYes I did
10:35.17ishitvaIvanovic: On My profile page it says that No form has been submitted.
10:35.27Ivanovicthen you did not submit it!
10:35.38ishitvaI had submitted it .
10:35.40Ivanovicat least not in a format with which the google tracker can work
10:35.52ishitvaI uploaded the zip file
10:35.56ishitvain which two scans were there
10:36.36Ivanovicresubmit it and use a filename which only uses small letters and numbers, no spaces, no non ascii chars
10:37.04ishitvaOh
10:37.15ishitvaI had used underscores
10:37.16Ivanoviconce the document is recognized as "something was submitted" you should automatically be able to see the button
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10:37.21ishitvaokay
10:37.34Ivanovic"Clicking on "Upload" link takes you to a page where you can upload your document(s). After submission you will be able to see the name of the file you just uploaded."
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10:37.38Ivanovichttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
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10:37.46Ivanovicget to that stage and everything should be fine
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10:38.16ishitvaOkay let me try again
10:39.15froggyIf i am not a college student right now as i completed bachelors in 2013 , and my masters admission dates are not yet announced (maybe last week april or may ) can i apply in this gsoc ?
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10:39.57Ivanovicfroggy: this sounds like a problematic corner case
10:40.07froggyyeah
10:40.20froggymy mentor insists i apply ..
10:40.24Ivanovichonestly, i don't know and you will probably have to ask someone from google
10:40.25froggyi submitted codes etc
10:40.40froggyand now i saw sometihn abt eligibility
10:40.49froggyetc and so realy sad
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10:43.56froggywho am i supposed to ask ? Due to this I have not even submitted my proposal
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10:45.12ishitvaIvanovic: I reuploaded the zip files this time now the application form does appear .
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10:45.26Ivanovicso something went wrong with the initial upload
10:45.32ishitvayes
10:45.38Ivanovicfroggy: you probably got to ask carols what to do
10:45.45ishitvaI had underscores in its name and also capital letters
10:45.47froggyI sent her an email
10:45.49ishitvawas that a problem ?
10:45.59Ivanovicfroggy: that is you could try to upload some proof that you submitted your application to the master program
10:46.07Ivanovicishitva: no idea
10:46.20ishitvaOr maybe the documents were not acceptable
10:46.24froggyok
10:46.39ishitvaIvanovic: in my case I have uploaded the front and backside of my college ID card
10:46.40Ivanovicfroggy: which email address did you use?
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10:47.17froggycarols
10:47.25froggy@gogle.com
10:47.26ishitvabut the backside doesn't mention my name is the place which mentions that my card is vaid upto August 2014
10:47.35Ivanovicfroggy: wrong address
10:47.41Ivanovicfroggy: carols@google.com is someone else
10:47.47froggyoh !
10:47.50froggywhat ??
10:48.07Ivanovichmm, no, wait, that is the address she is using on the ML
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10:48.14Ivanovici thought i heard someone else had that address...
10:48.25froggyyeah . i got the address from here only
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10:54.37ishitvaIvanovic: again on my profile page it is coming that no form has been submitted .
10:55.21Ivanovicishitva: no idea what is up there, send a mail for support to carols / the mailing list or ask the folks in #melange
10:55.30ishitvaOkay
10:55.39Ivanovicthat is: they should know what might be up there, so best to ask in #melange
10:55.45ishitvasure
10:57.20ishitvaIvanovic: May I know carol's email id ?
10:57.35Ivanovicishitva: first ask the folks in #melange
10:57.45ishitvaOkay , I have posted my query there
10:57.46Ivanovicishitva: they are the ones who know the system
10:57.48Ivanovicthen wait
10:57.52ishitvaOkay
10:58.10Ivanovicthe 'r' in 'irc' does *not* stand for 'realtime'
10:58.11Ivanovic;)
10:58.58ishitvaokay :P
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11:03.48ollyIvanovic: her email address is carols@google.com
11:04.20ollythere was some speculation here as to who *carlos*@google.com might be and how much gsoc email he gets
11:04.35Ivanovicah, right, it was this strange carlos dude
11:04.38ollyperhaps that's what you misread?
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11:05.34ollyif froggy's potentially not accepted until may, then that certainly isn't eligible
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11:06.06ollythe requirement to submit proof now is a problem for students who would have it by april 21st though
11:07.21ollythough it's only really a change if you somehow knew you'd definitely get accepted, but just couldn't show it yet
11:07.42ollyotherwise in previous years you'd just be applying and hoping you got accepted somewhere
11:07.50ollyand if not, end up dropping out
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11:08.53ollyi suspect that's the sort of thing which made people ask for this change at the summit last year
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11:29.27ishitvaIvanovic: how will I get to know whether my proof of enrollment is acceptable or not ?
11:29.46ishitvaI have read the page on it .
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11:30.25ishitvaand I feel that my scans are acceptable , but do they give any confirmation about the accepted docs ?
11:30.36ollyishitva: no, only if they aren't
11:30.38Ivanovicthey will notify you if the documents are not okay
11:30.45Ivanovicin all other cases you will not hear from them
11:30.47ishitvaokay
11:31.03Ivanovicif there is a problem with the upload not working as expected: talk to the folks in #melange, they should be able to support you
11:31.33ishitvayes I have posted my messsage there , but they are not respnoding
11:31.49ollyishitva: be patient
11:31.55ishitvaokay
11:32.12Ivanovicmany of the folks in there live in the US
11:32.16Ivanovicit is like 4am over there
11:32.22Ivanovicso relax, drink some tea and wait
11:32.24ishitvaOh
11:32.29ishitvaSure :)
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12:27.29aktechhello everyone!
12:27.57santileortizHello!
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12:28.07aktechI am a newbie programmer in C/C
12:28.12aktechC
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12:28.15aktechC++
12:29.23aktechShall, I try this year or I should build my skills for the next year? As I am unable to guess how could I code for the numerous projects I have seen.
12:29.42jbisch!amigoodenough
12:29.43gsocbotjbisch: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/
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12:31.02aktechas, I am not getting how to would I implement those features mentioned in the projects..
12:32.39aktechcan anyone help?
12:33.54santileortizwell, I am thinking of applying too, and as i have read that does not matter much, how much programming experience do you have?
12:34.37VarunAgwIs writing "Schedule of Deliverables" is highly recommended? I am writing a proposal in which it is optional and I don't want to write it.
12:34.55aktechI have not done it enough, except for the two semester.. i studied it
12:35.20jbischVarunAgw: It is good to have a schedule, so you know if you are behind, or moving faster than anticipated.
12:35.32darnirVarunAgw: You should ask that to your organization
12:36.05VarunAgwjbisch, Actually, I want to create a schedule after I get selected
12:36.42darnirVarunAgw: You should be discussing this with your mentor. Only he/she can tell you what they expect
12:37.15VarunAgwdarnir, Ok, I'll try talking with them.
12:37.53VarunAgwdarnir, In the case they say it is optional, should I create one or not?
12:38.12santileortizwell, aktech i think that's why you get to talk with your mentor, ideas proposed by each organization are thought by people who develops the application, so they even might have an idea on how to implement it over which you would elaborate
12:39.08jbischVarunAgw: Maybe you can indicate that you plan on making one, if you don't want to make one at this point.
12:39.41aktechok, i will try... though i have not done enough programming except for the semester course programs..
12:40.07VarunAgwjbisch, Will this affect my chance of selection negatively? What do you think?
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12:40.36jbischVarunAgw: I have no idea, I'm just another student. Your organization would know. Ask the mentor.
12:40.53darnirAs a mentor, if I had a student who did not bother writing a timeline in his proposal, I'd outright reject them.
12:41.06santileortizwhat language did you learn, and are projects you want to work on related to this language?
12:41.09darnirBut that's just me
12:42.43santileortizdarnir, what would you expect to be in the timeline? i mean, how detailed or what kind of information...
12:43.06VarunAgwOk, I got my answer. I should write a timeline
12:43.07aktechI learnt C Language & Learning c++/Java. And I want to work on projects related to c/c++. I have seen an org.. "Samba" for this..
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12:43.22jbischsantileortiz: I broke it down by week for my proposal.
12:43.39jbischsantileortiz: like, 1 week for this, 2 for that.
12:43.46darnirsantileortiz: It depends on your work and you should ideally discuss this with your mentor.
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12:44.24darnirTHe point is, writing a fine grained timeline shows that you have really thought through the process
12:44.45darnirAlso, it allows you to realize some facts/ideas that you wouldn't have otherwise.
12:45.12santileortizdo you mean discussing that with who would be your mentor before making your application?
12:45.37darnirYes. Usually you'd send a copy of your proposal to the mailing list for review.
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12:45.45darnirOr however your organization would like it.
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12:46.04darnirLater your mentors can always give you feedback and you can edit it once it has been uploaded on Melange
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12:51.56santileortizsorry but, what is Melange?
12:52.10darnirThe website?
12:52.13VarunAgwGSOC site
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12:55.12santileortizoh yes yes didn't read the url before
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13:07.27jjs1I just noticed that I'm eligible to be a student in GSoC this year. :-o
13:07.39jjs1Don't panic mr Mainwaring!
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13:21.57radsaggihello, where can I find a link to my public profile, given that I have signed up?
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13:24.20spyderwhat is the minimum amount of programming experience should one have to join  summer code
13:24.37jbischradsaggi: My dashboard -> Proposals
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13:24.59jbisch!amigoodenough | spyder
13:25.00gsocbotspyder: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/
13:25.58radsaggijbisch: so if I give that link to someone, he/she will be able to see my proposals and public details?
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13:27.02jbischradsaggi: If you selected public visibility when creating your proposal. Try it out by logging out and going to the link.
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14:08.12srichakradharwhat happens if more than one applicant give similar kind of proposals?
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14:10.09Ivanovicsrichakradhar: the same that happens when there are more students than slots
14:10.22Ivanovicsome get a slot, others not
14:11.02srichakradharI mean, will more than one student be accepted for the same task?
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14:11.18Ivanovicdepends on the orgs and how overlapping the proposals really are
14:11.18srichakradharare we gonna work in groups or individually?
14:11.20uchihaitachiIvanovic: Could you please elaborate on the 'slots' thing?
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14:11.29Ivanovicyou are going to work individually
14:11.40Ivanovicuchihaitachi: orgs can only mentor a specific number of students
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14:11.48Ivanovicand the number of students overall in gsoc is limited
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14:12.03Ivanovicso the orgs request a number of slots (students to mentor) and get a number from google
14:12.07uchihaitachiWhat is the criteria for ao
14:12.15Ivanovicif an org e.g. gets 5 slots, they can mentor 5 students
14:12.23Ivanovicthe criteria are:
14:12.28Ivanovic1) orgs requested from orgs
14:12.35srichakradharto be specific, are the modules written by one student gonna depend on (or) gonna be in parallel to those written by others?
14:12.42Ivanovicehm, slots requested by orgs
14:12.50Ivanovic2) number of proposals submitted to orgs
14:12.59Ivanovicsrichakradhar: depends on the org
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14:13.16Ivanovicsrichakradhar: most orgs will not have students work in parallel on basically the same
14:13.32Ivanovicsrichakradhar: but if you talk to the org you are interested in they are likely going to tell you
14:13.36uchihaitachiIvanovic: thank you.
14:13.38srichakradharokay
14:13.54Ivanovicuchihaitachi: e.g. a new and small org is unlikely to get more than one or two slots
14:14.11Ivanovica huge umbrella org like the python foundation on the other hand is more likely to get some 30 slots
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14:14.22Ivanovicbut the orgs of course also have matching amounts of proposals
14:14.42Ivanovicthat is: getting accepted in gsoc does *NOT* depend on chances
14:14.54Ivanovicit completely depends on how you behave and get your proposal done
14:14.54Niharika!chances
14:14.55gsocbotNiharika: "chances" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead.
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14:20.46uchihaitachiI know that it varies from one org to another but what is the general format of questions that org will be asking during the selection process?7
14:21.01uchihaitachiI mean when the application period is over.
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15:03.00rohit-duaHi. just submitted my enrolment form.. Where do I submit my proposal?
15:03.15rohit-duaon melange..
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15:50.34sumanahvkmc: hey, do I know you from OpenStack?
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15:52.22vkmcsumanah, You do! I'm a former OPW OpenStack intern
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15:53.14sumanahvkmc: :) how are things going? I still point to your OpenStack overview when I want people to understand OpenStack or what is possible with informal overview documentation
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15:54.17vkmcsumanah, All good! :) You? I'm really glad to hear that, I hope I can update that post soon... there has been a lot going on with OpenStack
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15:55.12vkmcNow I'm working on my proposal for GSoC in OpenStack :)
15:55.34sumanahvkmc: Rock. :) Good luck.
15:55.38vkmcLast college year, I'm trying to make the best of it
15:55.58sumanahTotally makes sense. Has anyone from OpenStack already looked at your proposal?
15:56.14vkmcsumanah, Thanks! I'm excited about it
15:56.37sumanahLast night I was a nerd in public and was reading an O'Reilly book just before a stand-up comedy show. :) It happened to be on my lap when one of the comedians appeared on the stage, and I was in the front row. So he asked me "What are RESTful web APIs?"
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15:56.46sumanahI stammered out something about programming and web architecture but said "It would take a long time and I sort of don't want to go into it at length right now"
15:56.48sumanaho now I am trying to think -- how would I explain RESTful web APIs, in like 2 sentences, the next time someone asks me that question? (since I am like 1/3 of the way through the book and will probably keep reading it in public, after all)
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15:57.28vkmcsumanah, Yeah, fortunately I'm having a great communication with the project mentor
15:57.35sumanahoh that's great!
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15:58.47vkmcHaha totally understand that feeling, it's quite hard to summarize such a complex concept
15:58.58sumanahYES
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15:59.32sumanahSomeone ELSE saw me reading the book and asked "what's an API?" and I said "it's the way programs talk to other programs" which I think is an okay simplification
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16:00.05vkmcIt is yeah :)
16:00.16vkmcBut often that kind of questions leave you thinking
16:00.21sumanahYou're right
16:00.33sumanahMy mother said - teaching is learning twice. The learner learns and the teacher learns as well
16:01.36vkmcAbsolutely! :)
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16:02.14fischermexport control
16:02.34sumanahfischerm: could you elaborate on that?
16:02.39vkmcI was reading about a presentation earlier today... https://speakerdeck.com/selenamarie/what-beginners-teach-us-passion-projects
16:02.50fischermsumanah: lol my scrollback was like some days old
16:02.56fischermI fail at irc
16:03.04sumanahfischerm: :) it's okay.
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16:03.12vkmcIs a great presentation about this topics
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16:14.35Ajish_Hi I had a couple of doubts
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16:14.50sumanahHi Ajish_ - please share them
16:14.53sumanahso we can resolve them :)
16:14.56Ajish_I had a couple of proposals
16:15.15Ajish_but don't exactly know who to select as mentor
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16:15.23EdwardChengHi, what Visibility affect?
16:15.33sumanahEdwardCheng: have you already looked in the FAQ?
16:15.36sumanah!faq | EdwardCheng
16:15.37gsocbotEdwardCheng: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page
16:16.00sumanahAjish_: OK. So have you asked "who's interested in mentoring this project?" in the open source community you're interested in? Via their mailing list?
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16:16.34Ajish_Nope not yet
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16:16.44Ajish_can you help me with it
16:16.54sumanahAjish_: Why haven't you asked yet? :) Do you need help writing that email?
16:17.00novochenAjish_, you have to do it yourself
16:17.11sumanahnovochen: Right, but we can help with the prose :)
16:17.13Ajish_Nope I can manage that ;)
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16:17.21novochenyes, sumanah
16:17.24Ajish_what i wanted to know was the mailing list
16:17.29Ajish_which 1 do I use
16:17.37sumanahAjish_: Have you looked at http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch014_communication-best-practices/ ?
16:17.38Ajish_which would help me
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16:18.00umcculloughthe mentor can be changed later I think
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16:18.34sumanahAjish_: That page, as well as http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch013_open-source-culture/ , will help you. :-)  Which open source projects are you interested in contributing to?
16:18.59EdwardChengI just think public it would be better.... And I public my subject,
16:19.16Ajish_The thing is have a couple of ideas
16:19.44Ajish_1 related to kernel network stack and anouther related to videos
16:20.00Ajish_but am not able to decide who to meintion as mentor
16:20.17Ajish_so wanted to know how i could find interested mentors maybe
16:20.21sumanahAjish_: So, think from a potential mentor's point of view. What do you think they want?
16:20.30Ajish_before I draft a proposal for the same
16:20.56Ajish_is there a common mailing list I can mail to
16:21.10Ajish_asking if any1 interested in the project
16:21.16sumanahlistens and waits for Ajish_ to answer her question :-)
16:21.45Ajish_then maybe draft proposal to only those mentors
16:22.15Ajish_They would like to hear my idea
16:22.19Ajish_maybe
16:22.28Ajish_from metors point of view
16:22.39Ajish_*mentor's
16:22.42sumanahAjish_: What do you think they want out of GSoC?
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16:23.35Ajish_Maybe good ideas an implementations
16:23.54Ajish_and also interns who can help implement their ideas
16:23.54sumanah(I am asking questions like this because you are trying to persuade someone to want to mentor you, and to persuade someone, you need to think about what they want so you can give them that.)
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16:24.16Ajish_I understand
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16:24.22Ajish_your point
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16:25.04sumanahAjish_: In the long run, they want *their open source projects to improve* - they want a bigger community of consistent contributors, they want better code and more features and fewer open bugs, and they want more users.
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16:25.19Ajish_Correct
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16:25.48sumanahAnd they see GSoC as a way to get to that goal, by getting people like you interested in contributing *for the long term*. And they are more interested in having colleagues who are resourceful and who learn quickly and who communicate well, and who write good code.
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16:27.13sumanahAjish_: So, to demonstrate that you have genuine interests in these projects, you would join the developer's mailing list for each project, and make first contact. http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch006_making-first-contact/
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16:28.06Ajish_Okies
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16:28.44Ajish_Ok I get your point
16:28.47Ajish_1 more thing
16:29.01Ajish_there was 1 project of twitter that am interested in
16:29.13Ajish_Do they have a irc chat node
16:29.23Ajish_where maybe i can talk to the mentors
16:29.27Ajish_of the project
16:30.34sumanahProbably! Ajish_ have you checked the idea page of that mentoring org for this info?
16:30.53Ajish_Yes have
16:30.56Ajish_read through it
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16:31.08Ajish_and kinda liked ot
16:31.10Ajish_*it
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16:31.26Ajish_but they haven't mentioned any mailing llist or chat nodes
16:31.37NiharikaAjish_: You´ll most probably find their IRC channel listed there, if they have one. Which org?
16:31.51Ajish_Twitter
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16:33.12sumanahgotta go. see ya later
16:33.16NiharikaAjish_: They have a mailing list, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twitter-gsoc
16:33.39Ajish_Thanx a lot
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16:37.38zaynetrohi, I am new to GSoC, is there any limitation on proposals or you can only propose only one?
16:38.08TCDup to 5
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16:43.17Tony_Hello everyone,nice to meet you!
16:43.39EdwardChengWithdrawn subjects included? or not?
16:45.08NiharikaHello Tony_! Nice to meet you too.
16:45.58Tony_I wonder that as a student in embeded system like MCU can have a chance to join the SOC?I want to try something new in a pure software project
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16:47.14EdwardChengSorry... But the limit 5 contain Withdrawn subjects?
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16:48.21NiharikaTony_ I suppose the only criterion is you have to be a student in an ¨accredited¨ university. Refer to the FAQs for more information.
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16:54.07Tony_Thank you Niharika, I have read the the FAQ.But I do not have a confindent in submit an purpose, student here must be genius, I don not have much experience in pure software project, all I  familiar language is hardware level C in Mirco Central Unit.
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16:55.18NiharikaTony_: There is no need for a student to be a genius. You just need to be hardworking and confident. :)
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16:55.32NiharikaDid you find any project you find interesting yet?
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17:00.49Tony_Thank you, Niharika. I found some project relate to my majoy, I actually a master student of engineering in electronics and communications engineering, but I'd like to try some project new but they need some other code language,I'm not sure that I can get their accept.
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17:02.15Tony_Niharika, are you a mentor?
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17:03.21VaticanCameosTony_: Niharika's connection just died I think.
17:03.40EdwardChengThanks.
17:03.49VaticanCameosAnd you don't have to be a genius. You just have to have confidence in yourself, and that confidence should show on your proposal.
17:04.23Tony_Thank you , EdwardCheng
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17:09.06CFS-MP3Don't confuse being confident with being cocky though
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17:57.59darnirDarn, what is wrong with some of these applicants?
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17:58.30darnirI just got a mail with a CV attached. In a proprietary format. For a project at GNU!
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18:00.26CFS-MP3:-D
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18:02.09teepeedarnir: it's what they teach in lots of schools, I guess
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18:02.44darnirteepee: I can understand a CV. But in a proprietary format? To GNU!?
18:02.51darnirtnkhanh: Hi!
18:03.20darnirThat essentially tells me that he doesn't understand the whole concept of Free Software at all.
18:03.29teepeedarnir: it's sad, but they might not have much contact with GNU before
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18:04.12teepeeyeah, I guess that's mainly the reason, but gsoc might help to change that for at least some people :)
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18:04.37tnkhanhis it ok to enroll now
18:05.07tnkhanhi only have 2012-2013 admission proof :-/
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18:06.19jbisch!proof | tnkhanh
18:06.20gsocbottnkhanh: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
18:06.26teepeetnkhanh: yes, with up-to-date proof
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18:07.37darnirteepee: Maybe. I hopeit does. Open Source projects sure do need more developers.
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18:08.20teepeedarnir: yes, that's for sure. and also more collaboration I think
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18:08.56Dragooondarnir: Proprietary as in MS-Word or something the student created?
18:10.37darnirteepee: Amen to that!
18:10.46darnirDragooon: MS Word.
18:10.54DragooonOhh
18:10.59DragooonSomething student created might be awesome
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18:11.54DragooonBtw, would PDF also count as proprietary?
18:12.09darnirNot really. It's an open standard.
18:12.35darnirHowever, most people are not a fan of non-plaintext attachments. And neither am I
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18:13.25DragooonIt helps in case there are illustrations etc.
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18:14.01joxerhi there
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18:15.29darnirDragooon: True. But how often do you need illustrations? I usually find putting them somewhere online and linking to them a better idea.
18:15.38darnirHi joxer.
18:15.48joxerhi darnir
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18:16.10Dragooondarnir: Fair enough
18:16.10zaynetrohow proposal works in google melange? First you need to establish connection and ask for a role, and this you will be able to post you project?
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18:16.47darnirDragooon: But that's only me. The problem occurs when you read emails on console or through other things, say mutt. And binary formats only turn up and hundreds of screens of garbage text.
18:17.21Turlzaynetro: you register as student, upload proof of enrollment, then you can propose projects to organizations
18:17.23darnirzaynetro: No. Connections are for mentors. You simply send a proposal.
18:17.29Dragooondarnir: Yeah, I guess that'll be more prominent with core Linux organisations
18:17.30VarunAgwhe he. I was browsing internet on elink today
18:17.53VarunAgwthe page was messed up
18:17.55Dragooondarnir: Just for curiosity, how many first time programmers have you accepted in past years?
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18:18.36darnirVarunAgw: That often happens. But it's a lot of fun :D
18:18.45flyergdhello people
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18:19.07darnirDragooon: I'm a first time mentor. :) But I was a first time contributor to Wget last year when I was accepted.
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18:19.15darnirhello flyergd
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18:19.57flyergddarnir: for what org are you mentoring?
18:21.00darnirGNU
18:21.05zaynetrowhen I was registering there were no option to register as a student, therefore it seems I created a mentor account, since now I can see on the main page which I account I want to register. Is it possible to change account type?
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18:21.19pchaigno!unmentor | zaynetro
18:21.19gsocbotzaynetro: "unmentor" is (#1) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, or (#2) Or just register again with another GMail account
18:21.29darnirYou're faster than I am pchaigno
18:21.44VarunAgwzaynetro, Just a note: You are not alone.
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18:21.56pchaignodarnir: :-)
18:22.01darnir^ True that. It's a common issue every year!
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18:22.30darnirAlso the reason, we have a factoid for the same. :P
18:22.54VarunAgwFrom two days I am noticing mainly two questions
18:22.57pchaignowhy don't they add a way to delete the profil?
18:23.02VarunAgwA) I have registered as mentor
18:23.14VarunAgwB) Where is link to submit proposal
18:23.42darnirVarunAgw: Welcome to #gsoc. This is what you will often see here at this time.
18:24.09darnirAlso, later there will be requests for reviewing proposals. And then it will all be quiet till the next year
18:24.11zaynetrothank you all
18:24.26VarunAgwThanks, but I am here from previous 20-25 days
18:24.33darnirI know. I was joking :P
18:24.41flyergdKolibriOS|yogev: afk?
18:24.52KolibriOS|yogevflyergd: No, here
18:25.48flyergdKolibriOS|yogev: well hello, I talked to you a couple days ago and you told me that you guys had one task in C
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18:26.29KolibriOS|yogevflyergd: Yes, porting Netsurf. It's better you join our IRC channel #kolibrios if you want to discuss it though.
18:26.43flyergdKolibriOS|yogev: I was just looking into it and I noticed that you have a qualification task as a requirement for a valid proposal
18:27.05flyergdKolibriOS|yogev: ok, just one last question then
18:28.01KolibriOS|yogevflyergd: This channel is not for specific org discussions. Please join our channel to discuss it.
18:28.11flyergdKolibriOS|yogev: ok thanks
18:28.13KolibriOS|yogevflyergd: Discussing specific org projects is offtopic here.
18:28.22flyergdKolibriOS|yogev: sorry
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19:11.19ramsub07Hi guys, does melange support tables  in the proposal ?
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19:15.51parthuechey my irc client is unable to connect to any server. Can anyone help me regarding that
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19:16.37trivedigauravparthuec: how come you are able to join #gsoc?
19:19.03MisterAtrivedigaurav: he's on webchat
19:19.08MisterAparthuec: what irc client?
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19:20.52parthuecyes trivedigaurav i m on webchat....my desktop irc client is unable to connect to irc
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19:22.03parthuecMisterA:mirc irc client
19:22.06VarunAgwparthuec, Try restarting IRC client
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19:22.42VarunAgwreinstall IRC client, check your firewall settings, restart PC, reconnect internet
19:22.55darnirparthuec: Are you within a university firewall?
19:23.19darnirI've known some universities that block IRC connections. Only webchat works in those cases.
19:23.23parthuecyes darnir: i m within a university firewall
19:23.48parthuecdarnir: so is there any way to bypass it??
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19:24.55parthuecdarnir: should i tunnel using proxy server
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19:26.49darnirparthuec: You could try. I've never faced an issue personally.
19:27.15darnirBack in my university, I simply went up to the server admin and requested that the ban on IRC be lifted. It worked.
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19:27.54parthuecif i use webchat how can i create a permanent username?
19:28.02darnirI don;t think you can.
19:29.18parthuecso if the organization wants my irc username and i cannot have a permanent username what should i give??
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19:32.17MisterAthe regular username you'll be using?
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19:33.45jbischparthuec: Why can't you have a permanent username?
19:35.59ramsub07Hi guys, does melange support tables in the proposal ?
19:36.14wiruzxramsub07: yes
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19:37.02wiruzxramsub07: actually you can paste to text field HTML
19:37.35ramsub07i need to create HTML tags and add data ?
19:37.58wiruzxhmmm
19:39.03wiruzxi mean rendered HTML, not tags. Don't sure support it tags or not
19:39.22darnirparthuec: Give the one you'll usually use. Won't be too much of a problem.
19:39.43parthuecok
19:39.43darnirAlso, you should inform them that you will probably not be as active on IRC due to these issues..
19:40.00parthuecyup
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19:43.03yellingdogparthuec: I'm pretty sure the kiwiirc webclient allows you to identify with freenode
19:43.58tonythomasMisterA: try irccloud.com, if you want a good alternative anytime
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20:01.39gsocbotVaticanCameos: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC
20:02.12neXyonif a student from outside the US is doing GSoC, can he go to the US for holidays for a week during the programming period?
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20:03.22thiagoneXyon: yes
20:03.38thiagoneXyon: if you are allowed to work in the US, you can even continue doing your GSoC work
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20:03.53thiagoif you're not allowed to work in the US, then don't touch your code. Let your mentor know that you'll take a full week off.
20:04.00neXyonthiago: ah ok, but if you're not allowed, you can't continue during that period, right?
20:04.02neXyonok
20:04.21gauravb7090how to submit proposal for gsoc?
20:04.52gevaertsWell, I'd argue that *technially* you can continue work, but I'd also recommend against trying to explain this in a situation that involves governments
20:04.53gauravb7090pdf format
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20:05.53gevaertsgauravb7090: you can't submit a pdf proposal directly. You *can* host the pdf elsewhere and link to it from melange, but before you do that check that the organisation is fine with this
20:06.05gevaertsSome accept this, some even encourage it, but some dislike it
20:06.11gauravb7090yeah the organisation is fine with it
20:06.32gauravb7090but where do I need to upload…my dashboard?
20:06.40flyergd#illumos
20:06.43neXyonit's weird that you have to have a working permit, because you're not getting paid, you get an internship
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20:07.03gevaertsneXyon: huh? You *do* get paid...
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20:07.46gevaertsgauravb7090: outside of melange. Don't forget that you need *something* in melange though, or you won't have officially applied
20:08.06darnirgevaerts: It's a stipend. Not a payment. I'm no lawyer but it's not *technically* considered working
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20:08.20neXyongevaerts: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#17._employment
20:08.31dfighterdarnir, these things depend on jurisdiction
20:08.49gevaertsWell...
20:08.59gevaertsYes, see what dfighter said :)
20:09.03gauravb7090gevaerts: What do I need to do in melange?
20:09.27dfighterneXyon, that's from Google's perspective
20:09.28darnirdfighter: True. These laws are way to complex. I won't debate them.
20:09.32dfighternot from a legal perspective
20:09.38gevaertsgauravb7090: I'd assume that your melange proposal would consist mainly to a link to the "real" pdf proposal
20:10.16dfighterINAL but from a legal perspective, when you do some work, and get paid for it, that's work
20:10.39thiagowork-for-hire
20:11.00gevaertsAs I see it, the thing is that since this is open source, you can do some of the work outside of gsoc too
20:11.00thiagoalso part of the reason why you need to be 18
20:11.17thiagosure
20:11.24gevaertsWhich I'd argue would cover the "a week in X" situation, but I wouldn't personally risk it
20:11.31darnirdfighter: I've had a different experience. When you go somewhere for an internship. You do work and get paid. But it's not work. It's a stipend.
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20:12.00dfighteroranges and apples
20:12.07dfighterwork and stipend are different categories
20:12.14dfighterstipend is a form of payment
20:12.18gevaertsdarnir: either you get money or you don't. If you do, someone gives you money. Usually, that action is called "paying"
20:12.19dfighterwhile work is not
20:12.21darnirI meant, it's not a payment, it's a stipend.
20:12.31dfighterit is a payment...
20:12.40dfightersee what gevaerts said
20:12.48darnirAtleast immigration laws seem to differentiate them.
20:13.03dfighterin Germany where you are from
20:13.08darnirIf you are being paid a stipend for an internship, you don't need a work permit.
20:13.15gevaertsdarnir: they may differentiatt various forms of payment, sure
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20:13.31dfighterbut it's still a payment :)
20:13.35gevaertsBut "payment" is a rather generic term
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20:13.47gevaertsIt doesn't imply hourly wages or a salary or anything like that
20:13.54dfighterthis is also why Google cannot possible give us tax advice
20:14.00darnirtrue
20:14.03dfightersince different jurisdictions handle them so differently
20:14.08gevaertsIt just indicates that money (usually, at least, these days) has changed hands
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20:21.25vkmcHi all :) I'm not sure if students have to connect to the organization through Melange before sending the proposal
20:21.45vkmcOrganizators told us to do that, but I cannot find that option in the Dashboard
20:21.51vkmcAny idea?
20:22.09darnirvkmc: You don't connect to the organization. That is for mentors.
20:22.16gevaertsvkmc: as far as i know, in melange terms, "connecting" is something only mentors do
20:22.26darnirYou simply upload your proof of enrollment and then your proposal from the dashboard
20:22.53vkmcdarnir, gevaerts Thanks for clearing that up
20:23.28Dragooonbtw, how does Google pay?
20:23.34DragooonInternational bank wire or do they mail you a cheque?
20:25.15gevaertsNo :)
20:25.49DragooonDoes a guy come down from a chopper carrying a brief case?
20:25.52gevaertsDragooon: the usual method (and I assume this year will be the same) is mailing a pre-paid "credit" card
20:26.17DragooonAh, so they mail the initial card and then recharge it?
20:26.21gevaertsYes
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20:26.37DragooonAh yay. I loved the transparent card they sent with GCI, it looked so cool
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20:27.04gevaertsInternational cheques and bank transfers are really painful in lots of places
20:27.25gevaertsAlso, cheques died out three millenia ago in most of the world :)
20:27.59DragooonPretty sure that's how Google Adsense used to pay until a few years ago in India
20:28.05gevaertsmay have the time scale slightly wrong
20:28.33DragooonActually, they still do that :P
20:28.50gevaertsWell, does Google Adsense deal with every country?
20:29.03DragooonI'm not sure, I live in India so I deal with India
20:29.06gevaertsignores the legal thing with some countries here
20:29.22DragooonFairly sure AdSense is available on a very large part of the world
20:29.36gevaertsWell, yes, probably
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20:29.49gevaertsBut "very large" isn't what gsoc is aiming for
20:30.33gevaertsSomething like adsense, which is clearly a business venture, can probably afford to work out how to deal with payments on a country by country basis
20:31.06DragooonYeah, I see your point
20:31.12DragooonI just wish we could recharge these cards
20:31.15DragooonThey're the coolest looking things
20:31.19gevaertsWell...
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20:31.51gevaertsI see what you mean, but there have been some fraud issues with them over the years which would probably make that a bad idea
20:32.01gevaertsActually...
20:32.23gevaertsYou *can* recharge them. Just pass the mid-term evaluation and new money will appear :)
20:33.05DragooonHaha
20:33.18DragooonWell, first I need to get selected
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20:33.48gevaertshasn't ever been a student in the gsoc context, so the only payments he has ever dealt with are the tshirts. Those can be reused by a simple process known as "laundering"
20:34.01gevaertsI hear that's frowned upon if you do it with money though
20:34.08teepeewhich is not legal with money ;)
20:34.30dfightereven if it's by accident?
20:34.38dfighterlike leaving some in your pants
20:34.45teepeedepends on the tool you use for laundering
20:34.55teepeeif it's an actual washing machine, you might be ok
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20:35.15DragooonYou can't, like, switch the physical credit card's body with a third party one right?
20:35.29dfighterwhat if it's a long chain of businesses in Delaware or Cyprus?
20:35.40dfighteryou know it happens, every now and then
20:36.48gevaertsDragooon: you can try swapping chips and magstripes, but the first time someone checks the number or the name of the card, you can probably expect some interaction with authorities
20:37.01gevaertswouldn't advise doing this
20:37.24Dragooongevaerts: I meant if I want to change the way my card looks
20:37.40dfighterusually your bank can do that btw
20:37.54gevaertsSome banks offer such fun and games, yes
20:38.15dfightersadly here they aren't that open
20:38.16gevaertsI doubt they'd do obvious third-party branding though
20:38.21dfighteryou have like 10 or so templates to choose from
20:38.22dfighter:\
20:38.45DragooonCoin looks pretty decent
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21:33.30srjdj<Ivanovic> I have some doubts.....can i ask ?
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21:38.52srjdjolly : hi...are you there?
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21:39.19meflinif you have a question just ask it
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21:39.48Ivanovicsrjdj: uhm, i don't understand what you want to say with that...
21:40.07teepeesrjdj: just ask, if anybody can help, you'll get an answer...
21:40.53darnir!ask
21:40.53gsocbotdarnir: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Also see !smartquestions.
21:41.08darnirWe have a factoid for that too :D
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21:41.55srjdjI have never worked with any open source organisation......and while browsing i saw almost all organisation asks for fixing bugs.....how can i do that before knowing anything about open source
21:42.12gevaertsWell
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21:42.29gevaertsDo you know what a bug is, and what source code is?
21:42.37darnirsrjdj: All you really need to know is how to program. And then it's all fine. You need to take a jump some day. Why not today?
21:42.39gevaertsIf so, you know all you need to know :)
21:43.08srjdjyeah i know what is a bug and what is source code.....but then what
21:43.28darnirAnd that's exactly what GSoC is for. Allowing you to leap into the world of Open Source. If you don't understand something, ask for it. There's loads of people who are here to help
21:43.41darnirsrjdj: Then you fix the bug. :)
21:44.06srjdjbut how to get source code?
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21:47.09srjdji was going through mentoring organisation page......and i came across a web page  https://tracker.moodle.org/issues/?jql=Difficulty%20%3D%20Easy ....after that i have no idea
21:47.23darnirsrjdj: You go to the org's webpage and clone their repositories.
21:47.29darnirDo read the studentguide.
21:47.35darnir!studentguide | srjdj
21:47.35gsocbotsrjdj: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
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21:47.50dfighterusually their webpage has instructions about how to get and build the sourcecode
21:47.57dfighterif it needs to be built ofc
21:49.04sssHello, I want to ask one thing, that what happen when two different org. tends to hire a single student. I mean a student has submitted proposal for 2 org. and both org. want him to hire
21:49.36ollysrjdj: you need to be able to get to the stage where you can implement you project in their codebase in a few months - fixing a simple bug is the first step
21:49.43ollysss: then you'll get to do one of them
21:49.52gevaertssss: in that case, the org admins will discuss the issue, *possibly* ask the student which they prefer, and decide who "wins"
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21:50.34ollyif they're unable to agree, carols will pick, probably at random
21:51.20darnirWe should have a factoid for this too. The question props up pretty often.
21:51.21sssgevaerts: that means that ultimately studnt decides it
21:51.35ollydarnir: i suspect we do, but I can't remember the name of it
21:51.36gevaertssss: no :)
21:51.44darnirsss: Not really. The student *may* be asked for his/her choice
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21:51.58gevaertssss: *possibly* the student is asked about a preference
21:52.03ollysss: only apply for projects you would be happy doing
21:52.05gevaertsBut even that doesn't mean this is followed
21:52.08darnirolly: We do? Wish kblin was around. He'd know.
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21:52.20ollyif you've a preference, i'd suggest telling the org you prefer that you prefer them
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21:54.13sssif in case org don't ask for studnt about their priority then how do 2 org descides this
21:54.26gevaertsThat's up to them
21:54.42darnirCould be any way. You shouldn
21:54.51darnirYou shouldn't be bothered about it
21:55.00gevaertsThey could discuss which org has other qualified students, they could roll dice, they could meet at dawn, ...
21:55.17darnirYour aim is to write the best proposal. And only to those organizations with whom you'd like to work.
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21:56.36sssdarnir: in my case I'm submitting proposals for 2 org, because I don't want to take chance by applying to only one and not selected
21:57.27gevaertssss: so instead you're taking chances by allocating less time per proposal? :)
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21:58.33sssgevaerts: thing is not about chances, if 10-12 time is enough for a proposal, why shouldn't i try another one
21:58.44sss10-12 days*
21:59.29darnirEach to his own. I stuck to 1 proposal when I applied. Only made sure it was the best. And very precise.
22:00.31sssi'm applying for the first time, so I think if I'd time, I can pick 2 of them
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22:58.13franka_Hi all. When I did GSoc in 2012 I remember that students were able to make changes to application/proposal later, to take into account org's feedback, is that still the case this year?
22:58.32franka_(later = after initial submission)
22:59.03MisterAfranka_: correct
22:59.08MisterAI've edited mine a couple of times
22:59.13MisterAalthough there's a cutoff date I believe
22:59.24gevaertsWell yes. The application deadline
23:00.48franka_MisterA: thanks
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23:01.00franka_gevaerts: Right, makes sense
23:01.27MisterAno problem
23:02.11franka_Hm, actually I think back then also after the 'due date' students could make changes as that is when public reviews from orgs come in
23:02.22franka_but maybe only smaller changes
23:02.48franka_But I guess it is still good to have a high quality first draft.
23:02.58gevaertsIf the organisation specifically allowed a modification, yes. I don't know if that's still there
23:03.29franka_hm, ok
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23:10.58ankesh11How do I insert code snippets in the proposal?
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23:23.00KolibriOS|yogevankesh11: Just upload them somewhere and provide a link to them in your proposal.
23:24.32ankesh11KolibriOS|yogev: Yes, that's a last resort. Something like embedded gists would have served better though.
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23:25.07KolibriOS|yogevankesh11: I think it's not possible right now. But you are welcome to suggest that on #melange
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23:37.59ladylimbsI appreciate the "other" gender option on the gsoc profile form, but i'm trying to figure out if we need to use our assigned name or if we can use our real/preferred name
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23:47.11KolibriOS|yogevladylimbs: The public name is any name you want. For shipping address you have to use your real name to get your VISA card if you are selected.
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23:48.21ladylimbsKolibriOS|yogev: by "real" name do you mean my assigned name (currently still on my drivers license) or preferred name (which is the only name everyone knows me by, and is written on my mailbox)?
23:48.57ladylimbsi've never had something mailed to this address using my assigned name, and i'm not sure it would be delivered
23:49.53KolibriOS|yogevladylimbs: The name that will be printed on the debit card has to be a name your bank will recognize as your name.
23:50.43ladylimbsKolibriOS|yogev: ok thanks for the clarification
23:50.54ladylimbsis there a way to separate that from the name it will be shipped to?
23:52.13KolibriOS|yogevYou have a way to specify different shipping address, use your shipping name for the shipping address and use your bank name for the address.
23:53.41ladylimbsKolibriOS|yogev: ahh, slightly confusing but i get it now. thanks
23:54.24ollyladylimbs: you might need to show ID when withdrawing money, so I'd make the card name match your ID
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