| 00:04.16 | meflin | first world problems |
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| 00:05.33 | TCD | I raised this in the org irc but they didn't know; I was thinking about drafting my proposal tomorrow after lectures. If I can get a draft together, would I be able to link it in [org-soc channel] and get some (early) feedback? |
| 00:05.50 | thiago | yes |
| 00:05.55 | TCD | woo, thanks |
| 00:06.04 | thiago | anyone can give advice at any time |
| 00:06.10 | thiago | anyone is entitled to their opinions |
| 00:06.46 | meflin | well the main opinions that mater are your rogs |
| 00:07.03 | thiago | right |
| 00:07.16 | thiago | whether those people have the time to provide you with feedback, that's another matter |
| 00:07.22 | meflin | not slighting this place lots of xp here |
| 00:07.38 | TCD | They (or at least the one guy) said they didn't know if it was allowed, so I thought here would be better to raise it...of course, independent of whether they have the time to do anything about it |
| 00:08.11 | meflin | not sure what you are asking is is allowed |
| 00:08.12 | rlyshw | is there a list of orgs already accepted into the soc? |
| 00:08.21 | thiago | as I said, everyone is entitled to their opinions |
| 00:08.25 | thiago | rlyshw: yes |
| 00:08.26 | meflin | rlyshw: yes on the web page |
| 00:08.34 | rlyshw | thanks |
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| 00:09.19 | derdon | what is the time when students have to prove that they are elligible students? during the application period, i.e. 10 March -- 21 March? |
| 00:09.32 | olly | derdon: when they sign up in melange |
| 00:09.55 | meflin | the date is in the FAQ |
| 00:10.12 | derdon | I don't have a scanner here, so I start to worry a bit. or is a photo of an ISIC card also ok if the quality is good enough? |
| 00:11.03 | olly | i'd expect so |
| 00:11.14 | olly | just make sure it's in focus, etc |
| 00:11.19 | derdon | good, that way less trouble for me |
| 00:11.30 | derdon | yeah, making a proper photo is not a problem for me :-) |
| 00:11.39 | olly | at least assuming an ISIC card is OK to start with |
| 00:11.56 | derdon | it is. it was no problem last year for other students |
| 00:12.42 | derdon | any document that confirms that you're an elligible student at the stated university is accepted |
| 00:13.45 | olly | it's decades since I had an ISIC card, but I don't think mine said which uni I was at |
| 00:14.06 | thiago | but it does prove you're enrolled somewhere |
| 00:14.22 | thiago | the problem is that it might not prove that you're still enrolled at the required date |
| 00:14.24 | olly | or at least whoever issues isic cards thinks so |
| 00:14.27 | derdon | olly: mine says the name of the uni |
| 00:14.42 | derdon | and it says the date from when to when it's valid |
| 00:15.04 | thiago | the validity might not match the university enrollment time |
| 00:15.21 | olly | wow, i actually managed to find mine |
| 00:15.32 | olly | and it does have the uni on |
| 00:15.55 | derdon | thiago: so you want to start to argue although it was ok to use it last year? |
| 00:16.05 | olly | "expires 31 Dec 1993" |
| 00:16.09 | thiago | derdon: I'm not arguing |
| 00:16.15 | thiago | if it's ok for Google, it's ok |
| 00:16.20 | derdon | good |
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| 02:45.11 | AdityaPurandare | Hello |
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| 02:46.36 | olly | I think that may be a new record |
| 02:47.15 | olly | waited a whole 13 seconds for a reply, a total of just 21 seconds in the channel |
| 02:47.51 | rick_h_ | time is $$ :P |
| 02:50.11 | olly | i can understand people new to IRC leaving if they don't get a reply within a few minutes in a channel with hundreds of people in, but 13 seconds is barely enough time to respond if you're paying full attention to the window |
| 02:50.58 | rick_h_ | yep |
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| 07:47.14 | sanketjain | Hello, may i know how to contact mentors of mono project organisation? there has being no replies on forum and irc channel. |
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| 07:47.53 | thiago | sorry, that's where |
| 07:48.09 | thiago | but you should try different times, to catch people who live in different timezones |
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| 07:48.12 | Niharika | Email them? |
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| 07:48.52 | sanketjain | i have tried in mailinglist too |
| 07:49.32 | thiago | how long ago was that? |
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| 07:51.23 | sanketjain | 3 days back |
| 07:52.17 | thiago | that's a long time |
| 07:52.32 | thiago | sorry, we can't offer more. You're already on the right media. |
| 07:52.49 | sanketjain | i will try again |
| 07:53.02 | thiago | make sure not to post HTML email |
| 07:54.16 | sanketjain | i will keep that in mind |
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| 08:25.04 | Limit_ | Hi, when will the mentors be added to the mailing list? |
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| 08:40.55 | olly | Limit_: i think it's started to happen |
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| 08:41.07 | olly | it usually happens in batches, as it's not a fully automated process |
| 08:41.27 | Limit_ | olly: Ohkay! I'll wait for a week then. Thanks :) |
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| 08:42.20 | olly | Limit_: you're not missing out on much anyway, it's been pretty quiet so far |
| 08:42.34 | Limit_ | olly: Oh! Good! |
| 08:43.07 | olly | sanketjain: if you're really struggling to contact an org, i'd probably suggest trying another org |
| 08:43.25 | olly | students are often a bit impatient and don't appreciate that most mentors are doing this in their spare time |
| 08:43.47 | olly | but 3 days isn't being impatient I'd say |
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| 09:25.34 | olly | sadly it's usually multiple threads |
| 09:25.40 | olly | otherwise it'd be easy to ignore |
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| 11:49.22 | gsocbot | one-more-minute: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 11:49.41 | gsocbot | one-more-minute: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 13:24.24 | batman99 | Are any of the past mentors online? |
| 13:24.58 | downey | !anyone | batman99 |
| 13:24.58 | gsocbot | batman99: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 13:26.54 | one-more-minute | !say |
| 13:26.57 | aka_ | can v apply individualy for gsoc or is it compulsary to have a mentoring organisation? |
| 13:27.17 | one-more-minute | Yes, you have to apply to a specific org |
| 13:27.55 | aka_ | cnt v directly approah the os gsoc ? |
| 13:27.59 | aka_ | approach* |
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| 13:29.31 | gevaerts | aka_: it would help if you tried typing actual English words |
| 13:29.49 | one-more-minute | Your best bet is to find an organisation that might be interested in what you want to do |
| 13:29.55 | batman99 | Can we work on Android projects directly for Google? |
| 13:30.01 | aka_ | sorry, i meant open source gsoc office |
| 13:30.10 | aka_ | i read it somewhere, but got confused |
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| 13:30.36 | aka_ | well, i have spoken to a few organisations who r working on the very same |
| 13:30.54 | aka_ | but they did not get a clear picture of the same since past 2 months |
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| 13:31.11 | aka_ | i have been trying hard, so is there any better way ? |
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| 13:32.19 | Niharika | aka_: What do you mean by ¨open source google office¨? |
| 13:32.23 | Niharika | Melange? |
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| 13:32.36 | gevaerts | Niharika: just that :) |
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| 13:32.51 | aka_ | yes there was a statement somewhere which said so |
| 13:32.58 | gevaerts | Well, "google open source programs office" |
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| 13:33.16 | downey | I don't think V can apply. You can, however. |
| 13:33.21 | aka_ | Yess!! My apologies |
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| 13:33.46 | aka_ | downey: please elaborate :\ |
| 13:33.53 | gevaerts | Yes, you can work through them, but you'll need to find your own mentor, and it won't be as easy to get selected as with "regular" organisations |
| 13:34.03 | downey | Well, "V" is just a letter. GSoC is only open to humans. :-) |
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| 13:34.55 | downey | aka_: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization |
| 13:35.07 | aka_ | ohh den m i not a human :( |
| 13:35.18 | downey | aka_: What? |
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| 13:37.16 | aka_ | great link |
| 13:37.30 | downey | aka_: It was listed in the FAQ on the GSoC page, which I'm sure you already read. |
| 13:37.38 | aka_ | so according to this maximum of 3 projects r taken |
| 13:37.41 | aka_ | yes i did |
| 13:37.55 | aka_ | but i did not understand it well enough or so i guess |
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| 13:38.24 | aka_ | and the projects should be specified to any platform or not? |
| 13:39.07 | downey | aka_: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ |
| 13:39.12 | blast007 | aka_: that depends on the project/organization |
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| 13:41.17 | aka_ | and v can not make enhancements in the previous years projects and make a better one from them, can v? |
| 13:42.02 | blast007 | who is 'v'? |
| 13:42.19 | aka_ | sorry can "i" |
| 13:43.35 | PlkMdy | aka_: you can submit any project idea for GSoC, but it is strongly encouraged to discuss it with the organization you plan to work with, first |
| 13:43.54 | PlkMdy | if they did not reuse ideas from previous years, there probably is a good reason |
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| 15:51.02 | CFS-MP3 | so quiet... I guess everyone's working on their proposals |
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| 15:57.47 | downey | this place could use some tea |
| 15:58.43 | teepee_ | !tea |
| 15:58.43 | gsocbot | teepee_: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
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| 16:02.02 | Slurpee | Any film fans watch The Oscars? |
| 16:04.54 | gevaerts | Slurpee: I'd hope so! |
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| 16:06.49 | Slurpee | gevaerts, well it had a "tech twist" as they took down twitter for several minutes. |
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| 16:06.59 | Slurpee | "Surpassing 1,300,000 retweets in less than an hour, @TheEllenShow posted the record-breaker while hosting the Oscars tonight. The mega-selfie featured, among others, Jennifer Lawrence, Meryl Streep, Julia Roberts, Brad Pitt, Kevin Spacey and Bradley Cooper, who snapped the shot." |
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| 16:07.41 | gevaerts | is impressed! |
| 16:07.44 | gevaerts | People cared? |
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| 16:10.36 | vultraz | Slurpee: it's at 2.5 million + rts now |
| 16:11.48 | Slurpee | vultraz, interesting |
| 16:12.10 | Slurpee | assumes at least one social media expert earned a raise today |
| 16:12.20 | vultraz | I am also very disappointed Leo didn't win an Oscar. again |
| 16:12.33 | gevaerts | could care less about this |
| 16:12.59 | sachith500 | !coke |
| 16:13.09 | gevaerts | I can't be bothered though |
| 16:13.14 | Slurpee | I would put that on my cv/resume. "Created social media campaign for Academy Awards with several A list celebrities that took down twitter for several minutes" |
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| 16:14.05 | vultraz | I don't know why that particular selfie, though |
| 16:14.10 | vultraz | it's a good one, I guess that;s why |
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| 16:30.21 | downey | just remember, that selfie was powered in part by the android open source project |
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| 16:38.37 | sumanah | hello all, and good evening Niharika |
| 16:38.52 | Niharika | Hi sumanah! :) |
| 16:39.02 | Niharika | How´re you? |
| 16:39.06 | sumanah | Niharika: how are things going? How goes your open source journey this evening? |
| 16:39.33 | sumanah | I'm not bad. In about 20 minutes I have an online meeting with someone where we'll use Etherpad to collaborate on writing some guidelines, or at least brain-storming some thoughts |
| 16:39.38 | sumanah | have you ever used Etherpad Niharika? |
| 16:39.52 | Niharika | sumanah: Things are good. I am making a project proposal for gsoc. Yep, I have. |
| 16:40.02 | Niharika | http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/uls-compact-review |
| 16:40.10 | sumanah | oh cool! |
| 16:40.11 | Niharika | We use it to keep track of the project. |
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| 16:40.33 | sumanah | I hope lots of GSoC applicants end up using it or a similar live collaborative writing tool, to get feedback on their proposals |
| 16:41.10 | Niharika | Yeah. I wish Etherpad was more popular. Although there are some bugs, yet it´s very cool. :) |
| 16:41.19 | saurabhsood91 | !next |
| 16:41.20 | gsocbot | saurabhsood91: "next" is The student application period opens on 10th March |
| 16:42.14 | sumanah | Niharika: :) with a lot of these tools, I figure that people need to hear about them and see them in use |
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| 16:42.31 | Niharika | Indeed. |
| 16:42.32 | sumanah | in order to understand why they are cool and why they're worth using |
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| 16:42.37 | Niharika | Exactly. |
| 16:42.42 | sumanah | have you ever heard of "legitimate peripheral participation" Niharika? |
| 16:42.53 | Niharika | sumanah: Nope. |
| 16:42.55 | sumanah | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimate_peripheral_participation |
| 16:43.29 | Niharika | :) I can relate. |
| 16:43.31 | sumanah | it's a useful concept to me - it's why saying "JUST JUMP IN" is not nearly as useful to most newcomers as "here's a small well-defined task" is |
| 16:43.38 | Niharika | Yeah. |
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| 16:44.40 | Niharika | I liked this about the OPW, you know. We were explicitly given a task we had to do, for the project. Here, for GSoC, people move around confused what they should do as a ¨contribution¨. |
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| 16:45.42 | sumanah | Niharika: I absolutely hear you. I think some GSoC projects operate more on the OPW-type model -- I think the first time I heard of a GSoC mentoring organization giving out and requiring intro tasks, it was WordPress. |
| 16:46.14 | sumanah | Niharika: I imagine Google Code-In participating organizations also are more accustomed to this -- they have a lot of practice in setting up and defining small tasks for teenagers to do. |
| 16:47.03 | Niharika | Yeah. Google code-in is a very nice initiative. |
| 16:47.27 | Niharika | I find myself encouraging old school friends and cousins to give it a go. |
| 16:47.32 | sumanah | A good idea! |
| 16:47.55 | sumanah | Word of mouth from a trusted friend or family member is one of the best ways people try new things |
| 16:48.20 | Niharika | Indeed. |
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| 16:48.32 | sumanah | it especially helps them understand that if they try that new thing, there's at least one person who won't laugh at them or discourage them |
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| 16:48.53 | Niharika | And can help them. |
| 16:48.59 | sumanah | some environments are like "crabs in a bucket" if you have heard of that saying |
| 16:49.09 | Niharika | I have. |
| 16:49.13 | Niharika | None comes out. |
| 16:49.22 | sumanah | Indeed. |
| 16:49.26 | Niharika | My college is one. |
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| 16:49.31 | sumanah | :( |
| 16:49.36 | Niharika | People haven´t even heard the term FOSS. |
| 16:49.43 | PulkoMandy | here we have different expectations for GSoC students, to be able to find their way accross the sourcecode on their own |
| 16:49.43 | Niharika | Let alone made any contribution ever. |
| 16:50.04 | PulkoMandy | or at least find a way to join the IRCchannel and ask for help |
| 16:50.12 | VaticanCameos | People are not bothered with FOSS in colleges like ours, Niharika. |
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| 16:50.48 | Niharika | VaticanCameos: Yeah. |
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| 16:51.07 | sumanah | PulkoMandy: I think it's possible to give a good balance between encouraging resourcefulness (people have to have initiative) and some good tutorials and mentorship for newbies |
| 16:51.09 | VaticanCameos | It's all about show and tell, make believe. |
| 16:51.16 | Palash | Google Developer Group was recently started in my college, so FOSS is introduced here ! |
| 16:51.27 | VaticanCameos | The bigger the names you're associated with, the more they care. |
| 16:51.31 | Niharika | PulkoMandy: It´s not that difficult actually. You have to make a sincere effort, that´s all. |
| 16:51.36 | PulkoMandy | sumanah: yes, like anything it's a matter of balance |
| 16:52.02 | sumanah | Niharika: well, and there should be some documentation or people willing to answer those questions of course :) |
| 16:52.24 | sumanah | People who wish to start FOSS groups in their colleges might find this useful http://lists.openhatch.org/mailman/listinfo/events |
| 16:52.41 | Niharika | sumanah: True. And I´ve been fortunate to get just the right balance of those things in my first stint at open source. |
| 16:52.42 | PulkoMandy | I guess it also depends on the projects and their usual ways to communicate - we're lucky to have an helpful and active IRC channel and mailing list |
| 16:52.42 | sumanah | you can put on some small event, find the 0.1% of the people in your college who are interested, and hang on together :) |
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| 16:52.53 | sumanah | PulkoMandy: yes, that's great! what project do you work on? |
| 16:52.56 | PulkoMandy | Haiku |
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| 16:53.18 | sumanah | Oh that sounds very neat. I met Leah Hanson a few months ago, at Hacker School. She works on Haiku as well I think |
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| 16:53.54 | gevaerts | thinks that if Haiku has more than three lines of code, it should change names |
| 16:54.19 | sumanah | gevaerts: ha! |
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| 16:54.52 | Niharika | :D |
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| 16:55.18 | sumanah | Niharika: I cannot remember whether I have already mentioned my post http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2014/02/26/0 to you, about the rhythm of help in open source, about how to find out what a project is like, and so on |
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| 16:56.02 | sumanah | in case it's useful for you to give the link to others who know less and are getting into our world :) |
| 16:56.14 | Niharika | sumanah: I will go through it definitely. :) And share it on social media. |
| 16:56.16 | Niharika | Yeah. |
| 16:56.42 | Niharika | I was planning on making a open source club or something similar in college, once I have more time on my hands. |
| 16:56.46 | sumanah | oh thank you Niharika! http://sindhus.bitbucket.org/common-pitfalls-of-newcomers-in-foss.html is by someone *in* India so it may be better for people who are in South Asia right now :) but my post at least covers the word "doubt" :D |
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| 16:56.57 | PulkoMandy | sumanah: mh, yes, I remember reading some blog posts about that - not sure she is still using Haiku, however? |
| 16:57.03 | PulkoMandy | (that was a year ago) |
| 16:57.11 | sumanah | Niharika: makes a lot of sense! yeah, overcommitting makes things less fun sometimes |
| 16:57.26 | sumanah | PulkoMandy: well, I saw her around November and she was working on it I believe. |
| 16:57.41 | PulkoMandy | ok, good to know |
| 16:58.02 | PulkoMandy | it's nice to see that I don't know all Haiku users - must mean the project is getting bigger |
| 16:58.08 | sumanah | (I could be wrong; I remember she was at least interested in pair programming with other people who wanted to work on Haiku with her) |
| 16:59.27 | sumanah | PulkoMandy: :) I think the first time I heard of HaikuOS was in 2010 when I was looking at what talks would happen at FOSDEM and I saw this listing https://archive.fosdem.org/2010/schedule/events/altos_haiku_no_future (I did not get to go to FOSDEM) |
| 17:00.35 | sumanah | http://in.pycon.org/2014/ I wonder whether anyone I know will be going to PyCon India |
| 17:00.48 | PulkoMandy | I never went to FOSDEM - guess I should... |
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| 17:01.12 | sumanah | PulkoMandy: I hear very good things about FOSDEM and Linux.conf.au although I have never gone to any of them |
| 17:01.42 | sumanah | I have gone to Open Source Bridge which I loved, and Wikimania, FOSS.in, OSCON, and several others. This year I will go to PyCon for the first time |
| 17:02.12 | sumanah | accepted GSoC students evidently have access to some travel funding if they contact Google about it, although I am unclear on how to access it |
| 17:02.40 | PulkoMandy | do they? |
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| 17:03.11 | PulkoMandy | when I was a student (2009) the costs of attending conferences were covered by my organization, as I was one of their developers - not by Google |
| 17:03.17 | PulkoMandy | but maybe I should have asked |
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| 17:04.31 | sumanah | PulkoMandy: I believe some kind of travel assistance is available from Google if you ask, but Carol Smith is of course the authority here, not me. |
| 17:04.54 | PulkoMandy | well, I'm not a student anymore, anyway |
| 17:05.24 | sumanah | PulkoMandy: I suppose it could help your student, then, if you're a mentor |
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| 17:08.14 | PulkoMandy | would be nice to have more students attend Haiku developer conference, but that happens in october - maybe a bit late and out of GSoC scope |
| 17:08.45 | Niharika | PulkoMandy: I think the travel fund is available for a year. |
| 17:09.20 | Slurpee | PulkoMandy, reward top student with trip to conf? |
| 17:09.57 | sumanah | if anyone has specific documentation about this I'd welcome it - I looked in https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page and did not see it |
| 17:10.10 | PulkoMandy | if you know students who enjoy spending one week in a room with operating system hackers and coding stuff - we can probably set up something :) |
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| 17:12.05 | sumanah | skims https://www.haiku-os.org/tags/conference_0 |
| 17:12.46 | PulkoMandy | more here: https://www.haiku-os.org/tags/begeistert_0 |
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| 17:12.55 | PulkoMandy | guess we should cleanup the tags on our website... |
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| 17:13.48 | sumanah | :) it's tough. I like the links to blog posts. I should ensure that all the pages in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings actually include links to summary blog posts |
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| 17:14.34 | darnir | notices sumanah is back on #gsoc |
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| 17:16.18 | sumanah | Hi darnir. I'm sorry, I don't recall your nick. I'm Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation's open source community manager. And you? |
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| 17:17.09 | darnir | Yes I know. I recall you being around quite often last year during the proposals period. |
| 17:17.20 | darnir | Also, you happen to know yuvi ;) |
| 17:17.24 | sumanah | waits for darnir to introduce herself/himself :) |
| 17:18.13 | darnir | I was a student with GNU Wget last year. You went through my proposal and offered some really good advice. This time I'm back to help others. :D |
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| 17:18.48 | Niharika | makes note to show her proposal to sumanah before submission. |
| 17:19.18 | sumanah | Niharika: I'm happy to be the SECOND person who looks at it -- after someone from the open source project you're submitting to! |
| 17:19.36 | sumanah | darnir: :D :D I'm so glad my advice was helpful to you, and that you're back to help others |
| 17:19.44 | Niharika | Yep. Okay. |
| 17:20.05 | PulkoMandy | your org is more likely to know what they expect from the proposal |
| 17:20.12 | sumanah | right |
| 17:20.14 | darnir | sumanah: Oh it was. :D |
| 17:20.26 | darnir | And I never thaked you for it after the selection. |
| 17:20.36 | PulkoMandy | and here at least a "bad" first version will not be a problem - we expect you to not know everything about the project, so there will be changes to make |
| 17:20.55 | sumanah | darnir: passing the help forwards will be a big thanks :D |
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| 17:21.34 | sumanah | darnir: I wrote a small blog post http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2014/02/26/0 that you might like to pass along to other applicants and people new to open source, along with the GSoC student manual of course! |
| 17:21.44 | darnir | I'm here just for that. (And also to recruit students for GNU Wget this year) |
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| 17:22.55 | darnir | sumanah: Nice blog post! Will link to this post when others ask. |
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| 17:23.33 | sumanah | thank you darnir :) http://sindhus.bitbucket.org/common-pitfalls-of-newcomers-in-foss.html is also interesting |
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| 17:24.22 | darnir | Yeah, I just read that one while going through the message history. |
| 17:24.43 | Niharika | packs up. Goodnight! |
| 17:24.44 | sumanah | nods |
| 17:24.47 | sumanah | night Niharika! |
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| 17:31.41 | rlyshw | Any other high school seniors applying for GSoC? |
| 17:32.07 | sumanah | I'm not (I'm a mentor/admin), but good luck rlyshw! |
| 17:32.35 | rlyshw | Thanks! |
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| 17:34.33 | diadara | sumanah: forgot to thank you for last year's help. I hope my punctuations improved. |
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| 17:35.08 | sumanah | diadara: :) I'm glad I was able to help. I don't remember your punctuation from last year but your punctuations this year seem pretty good! |
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| 18:04.02 | apsdehal | sumanah: hi, can you just checkout if there is anything I can do to make my proposal more appropriate. |
| 18:04.03 | apsdehal | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Apsdehal |
| 18:04.03 | apsdehal | So that its in line with mediawiki guidelines |
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| 18:05.24 | sumanah | apsdehal: can we talk in 30 min? |
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| 19:04.24 | curiousCat | hello, i'm kinda lost here... first timer in freenode... how do i proceed? |
| 19:04.30 | sumanah | hi curiousCat! |
| 19:04.50 | curiousCat | hi sumanah! |
| 19:04.53 | sumanah | curiousCat: you can simply ask your question. |
| 19:05.33 | curiousCat | how do i talk to mentor organizations to discuss project proposal ideas? |
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| 19:06.10 | Nilabhra | curiousCat: consider every soul here as your neighbor and carry on |
| 19:06.21 | sumanah | curiousCat: on any mentor's page on google-melange.com you will see an Ideas page. That page will also give you instructions |
| 19:06.34 | sumanah | curiousCat: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch006_making-first-contact/ has more info |
| 19:06.49 | sumanah | apsdehal: you got help in #mediawiki - sorry I wasn't there but good job being resourceful |
| 19:07.03 | curiousCat | thanks a ton! |
| 19:07.15 | sumanah | :) |
| 19:07.18 | sumanah | glad to help |
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| 19:07.26 | sumanah | curiousCat: that whole book (that http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch006_making-first-contact/ is part of) is useful |
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| 19:07.50 | apsdehal | sumanah: one question how many mentors one student can have? |
| 19:08.35 | curiousCat | okay :) i'm rather afraid i'm late to this party... i had exams that ended yesterday. less than a week left... |
| 19:09.14 | PulkoMandy | curiousCat: that's fine |
| 19:09.37 | PulkoMandy | in the past we accepted students that had exams as late as june (most of the world does) |
| 19:10.04 | PulkoMandy | and, you can modify your proposal up to 20 of march, I think, so there's still some time |
| 19:10.23 | curiousCat | that's a relief! |
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| 19:12.26 | PulkoMandy | and there is even an extra interim period this year, which reads "mentoring organizations may request further proposal detail from the student applicant." |
| 19:12.42 | PulkoMandy | up to 7th of april |
| 19:13.03 | curiousCat | Python seems to be a very popular skill set... I'm a hardcore Java lover... should I brush up my python skills to increase my chances? |
| 19:13.52 | PulkoMandy | curiousCat: I guess you can find some Java projects with less students trying to get them, that could turn out in your advantage |
| 19:14.23 | teepee | curiousCat: or even try something completely different :) |
| 19:14.40 | curiousCat | like what? :D |
| 19:14.48 | PulkoMandy | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 has a tag search, "java" seems to have hits |
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| 19:14.56 | PulkoMandy | C++? :p |
| 19:15.24 | teepee | curiousCat: with 190 orgs you will probably find almost anything used around the world |
| 19:15.28 | curiousCat | yes I found those projects... am browsing through them as we speak :) |
| 19:16.15 | curiousCat | teepee: true :) it's been a while since I last coded in C++ but... I am pretty good in that too |
| 19:16.31 | rlyshw | Doesn't google have Open Source orgs? Are any of them listed in GSoC? |
| 19:16.47 | rlyshw | like android? |
| 19:16.51 | curiousCat | let me find a few cool project ideas... there are no limits to the number of applications i turn in is there? |
| 19:17.07 | PulkoMandy | rlyshw: I don't think any Google project enters the Summer of Code |
| 19:17.15 | rlyshw | curiousCat: I think the limit is 5 applications per student |
| 19:17.17 | teepee | curiousCat: nice, so you have lots of possible projects to choose from, and you can apply for 5 i think |
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| 19:17.42 | PulkoMandy | well, writing 5 good proposals in the allowed time might be difficult |
| 19:17.46 | curiousCat | 5 is good enough :) |
| 19:17.57 | PulkoMandy | it's better to concentrate on 1 or 2 |
| 19:18.08 | Cadair | !next |
| 19:18.09 | darnir | Try to focus on just 2 or at best 3 proposals. |
| 19:18.10 | gsocbot | Cadair: "next" is The student application period opens on 10th March |
| 19:18.45 | curiousCat | yes I will do that...better 2 good ones than 5 sloppy ideas |
| 19:19.36 | curiousCat | Well thank you all! Past midnight here, I'll be better informed when I join here tomorrow. Adios... |
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| 19:51.41 | perepujal | Palash: you may want to try !logs |
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| 19:52.03 | Palash | thanks perepujal |
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| 20:14.04 | gevaerts | Which is dead, and only comes alive now when someone who wants to do gsoc thinks that's where supertuxkart lives :) |
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| 20:19.16 | gevaerts | The previous non-spam message there was in 2005 :) |
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| 21:18.36 | olly | assuming it's a freenode channel |
| 21:18.52 | olly | irc command all start with a / |
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| 22:04.49 | hiker | gevaerts: thanks for your answer in the tuxkart mailing list - never occurred to me to look there for lost students ;) |
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| 22:07.57 | gevaerts | hiker: last one though. I unsubscribed :) |
| 22:08.40 | gevaerts | wonders how many more long-dead mailing lists he's on |
| 22:09.38 | sumanah | gevaerts: I hear ya. I followed the advice in http://subfictional.com/2014/01/16/making-time-for-new-projects/ recently |
| 22:09.39 | D_meves | when is peak time for the channel usually? |
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| 22:09.53 | sumanah | not sure. but we can answer your question now D_meves :) |
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| 22:10.40 | olly | peak time is just around when accepted students are announced |
| 22:10.47 | olly | usually carol has to mute the channel |
| 22:11.06 | scorche|sh | well, one of us, at least ;) |
| 22:11.16 | scorche|sh | but yeah - it gets pretty insane |
| 22:11.21 | olly | you're all just sock puppets for carols |
| 22:11.47 | scorche|sh | in past years, we have had freenode staffers come in here as it set off bot-like activity network alarms |
| 22:12.00 | D_meves | By peak, I'm curious when the majority of mentors are logged on. Curious about the program prior to the opening of student applications. |
| 22:12.13 | sumanah | D_meves: oh do you mean time of day/day of the week? |
| 22:12.14 | D_meves | Like in the next week when are peak times throughout the day? |
| 22:12.15 | olly | D_meves: most mentors aren't here |
| 22:12.30 | olly | you'll find them in the org's channels, mailing lists, etc |
| 22:12.51 | sumanah | D_meves: that's pretty hard to track. But it's probably during Western European and North/South American working hours |
| 22:12.51 | scorche|sh | D_meves: that would probably be during org submission deadlines or org rejection meeting |
| 22:13.16 | scorche|sh | what are you looking for mentors for? |
| 22:13.26 | sumanah | D_meves: can we help you at all? |
| 22:14.54 | D_meves | Yes, I understand that this channel is for general info/inquiry. Most mentors I will have to contact on their own private channels. I prepping for application and logged on here to see what convos are going on & what info I glean before targetting specific mentors. |
| 22:15.09 | sumanah | cool |
| 22:15.22 | sumanah | D_meves: good job being resourceful and thinking things through :) |
| 22:15.28 | terri | I thought this channel was just for talking about tea. ;) |
| 22:15.52 | sumanah | Terri I was just thinking about your flowchart |
| 22:15.58 | sumanah | http://terriko.dreamwidth.org/148746.html |
| 22:16.00 | scorche|sh | D_meves: ok - but bear in mind that the best advice is to go talk to the mentors themselves - before that, it is probably best to read the student guide |
| 22:16.15 | terri | sumanah: I am shocked that it's helping, but it is! |
| 22:16.31 | D_meves | already read the faq and everything. first time in this chat, but the mention of tea might keep me coming back |
| 22:17.21 | scorche|sh | well, the student guide is a bit different than the FAQ, but that might be included in "everything" |
| 22:17.24 | scorche|sh | !studentguide |
| 22:17.24 | gsocbot | scorche|sh: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 22:17.39 | terri | sumanah: of course, now I got emails that say "but how do i choose a sub-org?" sometimes, but that's not so easy to answer. |
| 22:17.45 | sumanah | fair |
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| 22:19.09 | terri | python may have more of a problem with decision paralysis than most other orgs, though, becuase we get lots of folk who are thinking "well, I know Python, maybe I could work on python?" and then they're presented with 17 python sub-orgs. it is pretty overwhelming. |
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| 22:19.51 | sumanah | picking suborgs might be a problem amenable to one of those Random Restaurant choosers |
| 22:20.11 | D_meves | i take it most applicants don't come on the chat, irc being old fashioned and all |
| 22:20.18 | olly | terri: hmm, i might have to steal that flowchart idea - we seem to have a constant stream of "how do i get started", despite a wiki page carefully describing how to get started |
| 22:20.23 | scorche|sh | D_meves: lots do |
| 22:20.41 | sumanah | D_meves: I don't think we have stats for how many of the ~4000? applicants ever come on the IRC channel #gsoc |
| 22:20.43 | terri | olly: consider is open sourced. ;) |
| 22:20.48 | terri | it, even |
| 22:20.49 | scorche|sh | considering IRC being old-fashioned will get you negative points from me ;) |
| 22:20.55 | olly | if you want to work with an org which communicates primarily on IRC, not coming on IRC is a mistake |
| 22:20.58 | sumanah | I bet most applicants do at least try lurking in the IRC channels of the projects they propose to |
| 22:21.11 | D_meves | haha i love irc but most my friends in university don't even know what it is |
| 22:21.19 | D_meves | its sad |
| 22:21.22 | scorche|sh | you need better friends |
| 22:21.23 | sumanah | D_meves: consider http://campus.openhatch.org/ |
| 22:21.25 | terri | Mailman doesn't use its irc channel so much, preferring mailing lists for obvious reasons. ;) |
| 22:21.30 | D_meves | i go to a tech school too, all cs and ece majors |
| 22:21.43 | sumanah | D_meves: it would be great for you to put on an open source intro event in concert with OpenHatch or a similar org |
| 22:21.51 | sumanah | help people learn to use IRC, bug trackers, source control, etc. |
| 22:21.51 | olly | i think we've usually seen more than half our applicants on our IRC channel |
| 22:21.56 | scorche|sh | kids these days... |
| 22:21.57 | olly | not sure about in here |
| 22:22.06 | terri | I think we hire more of the students who show up on IRC, though |
| 22:22.29 | terri | the ones who stick around on IRC tend to get more help and thus have better applications in the end. |
| 22:22.35 | scorche|sh | "^^ |
| 22:23.02 | olly | terri: cool |
| 22:23.36 | D_meves | cool |
| 22:24.24 | edunham | I'd guess that causality might go the other way -- those who care enough to do well also care enough to get into irc |
| 22:24.25 | sumanah | I would also love for more applicants to know how to use Etherpad, videochat (e.g. appear.in), and similar tools |
| 22:24.51 | sumanah | well, I'd love for more people in general to learn to use those tools :) |
| 22:24.58 | sumanah | tries to teach folks when she can |
| 22:25.09 | edunham | etherpad is super easy... the only hard part is remembering that it's there at first |
| 22:25.52 | sumanah | edunham: I'd suggest there are some subtleties in using Etherpad effectively |
| 22:26.02 | edunham | mm, perhaps |
| 22:26.04 | sumanah | but yes, kudos to the designers of Etherpad in that it's very easy for first-timers to use |
| 22:26.10 | edunham | I've been using it awhile and haven't noticed any major subtleties |
| 22:26.17 | edunham | other than maybe putting rules at the top, and yelling at people to use chat |
| 22:26.22 | edunham | are there tricks I ought to know? |
| 22:26.35 | sumanah | You have probably already unconsciously absorbed many of them |
| 22:26.39 | sumanah | * put your name in the namebox |
| 22:26.45 | edunham | haha yeah i yell about that too |
| 22:26.49 | edunham | * use chat for chatting |
| 22:26.51 | sumanah | * choose *different* colours |
| 22:27.24 | sumanah | * consider using italics, strikethroughs, tabs, etc. to help delineate conversations-in-progress as people brainstorm |
| 22:27.31 | D_meves | i attended a gsoc meetup at Uni of Chicago last thursday. the proctor mentioned its best to avoid phishing for lots of mentors and to target 3 to 4. In my specific situation, I am hoping to find a mentor with a blue sky approach. My proposal doesn't match many of the tags and projects in the list of mentor orgs. I want to cast a big net but not too big of a net. I will read the student guide before I approach mentors. How do I put myself in the best light to |
| 22:27.32 | D_meves | mentors with blue sky approaches? |
| 22:27.32 | edunham | indentation++ |
| 22:27.34 | sumanah | * save an offline backup every once in a while |
| 22:27.52 | edunham | D_meves: find an accepted org that goes with your project |
| 22:28.24 | edunham | GSOC is much more about writing code that open-source projects need, and less about enabling students to do things that don't really meet a need in the community |
| 22:28.36 | sumanah | agrees with edunham |
| 22:28.43 | olly | D_meves: having an idea and then trying to shop it around to orgs doesn't tend to work well |
| 22:29.18 | sumanah | D_meves: if you want to persuade people, it's helpful to put yourself in their shoes and think about what motivates them.... |
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| 22:29.29 | olly | student suggested ideas like tend to get rejected - the successful student ideas come from students who looked at a project and thought "it would be awesome if this did X" |
| 22:29.34 | edunham | D_meves: so... I mean this in the nicest and least hostile way possible, but project selection is really more about the orgs' needs than about you |
| 22:29.40 | olly | *like that |
| 22:29.42 | edunham | the best way to sell an unproposed idea is "here's why you need this thing" |
| 22:30.25 | D_meves | I understand, I was expecting that. I will review the student guide and org list and see if I can find a project similar to what I am interested in. |
| 22:30.32 | edunham | yeah :) |
| 22:31.26 | scorche|sh | D_meves: alternatively, there is this, but it is certainly a special thing: https://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization |
| 22:33.03 | sumanah | that always reminds me of the Hesperian Foundation's "Where There Is No Doctor" book |
| 22:33.07 | sumanah | </sidenote> |
| 22:33.41 | D_meves | Its unfortunate because my interest involves an sdk from a team that would have been perfect for mentoring. I didn't refer them in time for the organization deadline. Maybe next year. |
| 22:33.52 | terri | sumanah: hm, random sub-org picker is potentially a fun idea. I should write some basic javascript that parses the wiki and does that. |
| 22:33.58 | sumanah | Hee! |
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| 22:34.47 | terri | then the emai lwill be "here's how you get to know various teams... or if you're just having decision paralysis, click this link and it will tell you what to do." ;) |
| 22:35.41 | gevaerts | is disappointed now |
| 22:35.59 | olly | reappoints gevaerts |
| 22:36.02 | gevaerts | :) |
| 22:36.09 | gevaerts | All this talk of sub-orgs... |
| 22:36.28 | gevaerts | A few weeks ago there was this person from a robotics org, who I think in the end decided not to apply |
| 22:36.49 | gevaerts | It was underwater robotics, so that would have been a *proper* sub-org |
| 22:37.01 | sumanah | hahahahahaha |
| 22:38.22 | derdon | lesson learned: if you're not sure, better don't apply. there is a risk of getting accepted |
| 22:38.25 | gevaerts | Oh well. Maybe next year :) |
| 22:38.26 | sumanah | btw terri I <3 your blog |
| 22:38.27 | rlyshw | There's http://www.bbauv.com/ That's an accepted org |
| 22:38.47 | sumanah | rlyshw: nicely found! :) |
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| 22:39.10 | terri | gevaerts: *laugh* If they work in python, they could come by one of my sub-orgs. ;) |
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| 22:39.31 | terri | sumanah: I'm glad someone other than my sister is amused by it. :) |
| 22:39.51 | gevaerts | rlyshw: oh, good! |
| 22:39.54 | rlyshw | lol! |
| 22:40.10 | Dmeves | so what are the hot projects everyone is hoping to jump on? |
| 22:40.17 | gevaerts | However, they didn't apply with an umbrella org, so it's not *perfect* :) |
| 22:40.43 | sumanah | Dmeves: I presume this is where I should attempt to create an air of mystery and trendiness around my org |
| 22:40.55 | sumanah | fakes up Oscar red carpet shots of me, other mentors |
| 22:42.20 | sumanah | more seriously, Dmeves, I am not entirely sure which projects have had the most students apply in previous years, but I presume it's the ones that have somewhat higher brand recognition, e.g., the Linux Kernel, Python, KDE, WordPress, etc. |
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| 22:43.10 | gevaerts | I believe game orgs are very popular on first approach, but I don't know if that translates to actual proposals |
| 22:43.56 | sumanah | listens to bluegrass, tries to schedule things |
| 22:45.02 | olly | gevaerts: i think that was http://openrov.com/ |
| 22:45.10 | gevaerts | Ah yes |
| 22:45.11 | olly | gevaerts: I can offer you http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/subsurface though |
| 22:46.24 | gevaerts | olly: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/bbauv1 is probably a better fit for this joke though |
| 22:46.28 | terri | Python got around 100 applicants last year, which felt low to me relative to the number of students I talked to. I think quite a few never actually put together an application. |
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| 22:46.46 | olly | gevaerts: aha, I thought I'd seen one |
| 22:47.12 | gevaerts | will have to thank carols for making a joke possible when she's online again |
| 22:47.36 | olly | their tags aren't great I feel |
| 22:47.47 | gevaerts | No, they should have "robotics" I think |
| 22:47.49 | Dmeves | are the gsoc people on here developers or just assistants to the gsoc program? |
| 22:47.51 | olly | given I thought I'd seen them and couldn't refind them |
| 22:47.55 | rlyshw | does anyone know, generally, what percentage of students that apply get accepted? |
| 22:47.59 | terri | oh, crud, that reminds me I need to fix python's tags now that our sub-orgs are mostly set. |
| 22:48.05 | olly | !numapps | rlyshw |
| 22:48.05 | gsocbot | rlyshw: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 117/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 22:48.38 | gevaerts | Dmeves: a bit of everything. Today I don't think any of the organisers (i.e. google people) are online though |
| 22:48.45 | olly | rlyshw: but the numbers don't really give the full picture - there's a lot of poor quality apps that stand no chance, and a lot of high quality ones which stand a very good chance |
| 22:49.10 | gevaerts | There are students, org admins, mentors, former students, former mentors, former org admins, random people, ... |
| 22:49.18 | olly | bots |
| 22:49.23 | Dmeves | what defines a winning application/proposal. I realize it is mentor specific. |
| 22:49.25 | matrix_ | *yawns* |
| 22:49.37 | olly | people interested in scandals in Ireland |
| 22:49.39 | sumanah | Dmeves: you've already read the bits about that in the manual, I take it :) |
| 22:49.57 | PulkoMandy | is both former student, former mentor, and mentor |
| 22:50.00 | terri | A "poor quality" app can be spectacularly poor quality. sometimes we get ones that are two senteces that sort of say "I know python" |
| 22:50.03 | PulkoMandy | I'm missing some badges, I see? |
| 22:50.08 | Dmeves | nope, I'm gonna get off chat and go read that |
| 22:50.16 | Dmeves | :) |
| 22:50.38 | gevaerts | Dmeves: if I'd have to evaluate it (which I won't, this year), attention to proper language :) |
| 22:50.56 | PulkoMandy | terri: since we started asking our students to submit a patch, it's considerably easier to tell those apart |
| 22:51.04 | gevaerts | tries to read beyond the spelling and grammar, but that's not always easy |
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| 22:52.06 | terri | PulkoMandy: Yeah, we ask for a patch too. But I think the students listening may not realize that "poor quality" goes all the way to "this is spam" |
| 22:52.07 | gevaerts | Also, I have this character fault that makes me intolerant to people who I think should know better |
| 22:52.20 | terri | we get *really* poor quality beyond language problems and first-timers |
| 22:52.37 | PulkoMandy | yes, I think half the proposals get submitted on last day without the student communicating with us before |
| 22:52.45 | PulkoMandy | these have low success rate |
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| 22:53.13 | sumanah | I wonder whether any mentoring orgs have ever set up their own "first draft" deadline |
| 22:53.13 | olly | the really poor quality ones are obvious - no need for a patch check there |
| 22:53.31 | sumanah | "you must submit a first draft to the mailing list by DATE" |
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| 22:54.25 | matrix_ | This might actually turn out to be my first participation in GSoC |
| 22:54.28 | olly | i'm talking about the ones which at best are pasting the ideas list entry and adding a CV/resume |
| 22:54.37 | matrix_ | A question I have actually is: |
| 22:55.05 | matrix_ | Does every student participating new to submit a project proposal? |
| 22:55.11 | PulkoMandy | olly: yes, we had some "fun" ones, like a student copypasting a draft from another... from another org |
| 22:55.15 | matrix_ | need** NOT new |
| 22:55.20 | sumanah | matrix_: Yes. |
| 22:55.31 | olly | PulkoMandy: ah yes, I've seen that too |
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| 22:55.51 | choupy | hey guys, i havent found this info easily on the website, can a student participate in gsoc two years? |
| 22:55.55 | olly | matrix_: if you don't submit a proposal, there's nothing to accept |
| 22:55.58 | PulkoMandy | choupy: yes |
| 22:56.00 | gevaerts | matrix_: yes, although that might be a bit misleading, in that the proposal can be (and usually should be, in most cases) based on an idea the organisation provides |
| 22:56.08 | sumanah | matrix_: If you think you can think of an exception, let's talk about it so that we can figure out where your thought processes and ours differ :) |
| 22:56.09 | choupy | neat, thanks PulkoMandy |
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| 22:56.31 | PulkoMandy | choupy: our org prefers to get students that didn't participate the previous year (we prefer to turn those into mentors) |
| 22:56.42 | matrix_ | Yeah its not like I have a full idea what I'm walking into |
| 22:56.44 | PulkoMandy | but participating for a different org is ok for us |
| 22:57.12 | matrix_ | I guess I'm gonna have to think deeply of what to propose |
| 22:57.18 | gevaerts | matrix_: basically the proposal has to show you understand what you're planning to do, which means you'll need to do some research |
| 22:57.32 | matrix_ | obviously |
| 22:57.38 | gevaerts | That doesn't mean you have to know everything yet, though |
| 22:57.58 | PulkoMandy | yes, the proposal is more about asking the right questions to the right people |
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| 22:58.41 | matrix_ | I had better log off then and get something meaningful done |
| 22:58.46 | sumanah | matrix_: it's a pretty interactive process. It's ok to just put a seed onto a wiki page and ask specific questions and get feedback, and use that info to grow and revise your proposal |
| 22:59.01 | terri | yeah, "research" always includes talking to the mentors. don't log off too quick. :) |
| 22:59.23 | matrix_ | oh okay, sorry :) |
| 22:59.30 | sumanah | it's ok |
| 22:59.34 | sumanah | you're new! you don't know yet! |
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| 23:00.07 | PulkoMandy | there are plenty of people here and on your organization IRC channel or mailing list to help you - just ask them when you're lost |
| 23:00.09 | sumanah | matrix_: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch007_finding-the-right-project/ and http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ might help you |
| 23:01.11 | matrix_ | "Finding the right project," thanks! |
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| 23:02.57 | sumanah | matrix_: that whole manual is really useful |
| 23:03.01 | sumanah | and worth reading |
| 23:03.47 | matrix_ | You know what I had always thought of about GSoC? |
| 23:03.57 | sumanah | What? |
| 23:04.44 | matrix_ | "Random students come up with project ideas, they submit proposals to Google && after the acceptance of the project... |
| 23:05.10 | gevaerts | Yes, a lot of people seem to have that idea |
| 23:05.27 | olly | that wouldn't scale well - gsoc is pretty much run by one person at google |
| 23:05.30 | matrix_ | "...they can find group of intellects(students) to work on that ONE project that's been accepted" |
| 23:05.40 | sumanah | matrix_: what do you think would have helped you learn the truth, before today? |
| 23:05.40 | gevaerts | However, for some reason the people who run the program don't seem to want to review 5000 proposals about software they're not familiar with :) |
| 23:06.04 | sumanah | matrix_: where did you get your info about GSoC? whatever information channel or source that is, maybe we can improve it for next year |
| 23:06.22 | matrix_ | If I wasn't here today, that's probably the ignorance I would "spread" about |
| 23:06.39 | matrix_ | I came up with that...I don't know how |
| 23:07.01 | matrix_ | that's pretty much how I thought GSoC is run...the info wasn't from anywhere |
| 23:07.10 | sumanah | matrix_: this is actually really useful - if you think about how you heard about GSoC and how you deduced this assumption, it is something we can fix |
| 23:07.12 | sumanah | for future students |
| 23:07.41 | sumanah | matrix_: you must have heard about GSoC somewhere. A professor? another student? a sticker on a wall? |
| 23:08.04 | matrix_ | I think its from a friend |
| 23:08.20 | olly | if carols spent one minute looking at each student proposal, it'd take her two working weeks to review them all |
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| 23:08.48 | matrix_ | first year in College(I can't really remember) but I was really not interested because "I wasn't good enough" |
| 23:09.02 | gevaerts | olly: one minute per proposal is longer than some of those took to write, so that sounds all right :) |
| 23:10.36 | gevaerts | matrix_: I assume you went on to find some more information after that, which didn't immediately make those basic things clear? |
| 23:10.52 | matrix_ | Yeah, that's correct |
| 23:10.58 | sumanah | matrix_: if you can pass along to your friends - via presentations like http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramPresentations - the way things actually work, that would be great |
| 23:11.12 | matrix_ | gladly :) |
| 23:11.13 | sumanah | it's not too late to hold an info session at your college so more people understand how things actually work |
| 23:11.16 | sumanah | :D |
| 23:11.43 | sumanah | matrix_: and if you want, you can also hold an open source hackday http://campus.openhatch.org/ where people learn to use IRC, bug trackers, source control, and so on |
| 23:12.08 | sumanah | I have to head off to a talk about garbage collection algorithms :) |
| 23:12.18 | sumanah | have a great time and good luck in your open source journey! |
| 23:12.19 | matrix_ | alright :) |
| 23:12.30 | gevaerts | suspects that https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/?csw=1 (which seems to be the top hit here for "google summer of code") might need an extra line or two |
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