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| 03:24.23 | bitgeeky | hey ! what is the last date till which mentors can apply on the melange website ? |
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| 03:36.48 | VaticanCameos | !next |
| 03:36.50 | gsocbot | VaticanCameos: "next" is (#1) The student application period opens on 10th March, or (#2) 28 February 16:00 UTC: IRC meeting with rejected mentoring organizations. |
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| 03:59.32 | olly | gsocbot: forget next 2 |
| 03:59.33 | gsocbot | olly: "next" is The student application period opens on 10th March |
| 04:00.15 | olly | bitgeeky: there isn't really a cut-off |
| 04:00.31 | olly | since an org might need someone new to sign up to replace a mentor during coding |
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| 04:00.47 | olly | so i guess the end of the coding period may be the cut-off |
| 04:01.16 | olly | the timeline says when (initial) mentors need to be matched with students |
| 04:02.27 | bitgeeky | olly, : fine , got it , thanks :-) |
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| 04:04.37 | rick_h_ | is there a way to see what the project applications look like for students as a mentor? I'm trying to put together notes on how to build a strong submission |
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| 07:25.05 | meflin | perhaps you should have come to the meetting you got in the email |
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| 07:52.57 | olly | wkoszek: you could try politely emailing carol |
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| 09:48.15 | banas | Biraj can dance ;) |
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| 10:05.32 | CFS-MP3 | So... any good C programmer looking for a home in GSOC? :-) |
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| 10:08.09 | Niharika | CFS-MP3: C++ Works? :P |
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| 10:12.16 | PulkoMandy | the Haiku project is looking for C++ students :) |
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| 10:14.35 | LordAro | lots of places are looking for c++ people ;) |
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| 10:26.53 | CFS-MP3 | Niharika yes, it could work |
| 10:27.21 | CFS-MP3 | my project is C, but the interesting stuff coming up requires brains over libraries :-) |
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| 10:29.32 | Niharika | CFS-MP3: Could you direct me to your ideas page, please? |
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| 10:34.22 | CFS-MP3 | Niharika - http://ccextractor.sourceforge.net/gsoc2014.html |
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| 10:41.51 | Niharika | CFS-MP3: Is there an IRC channel for CCExtractor? |
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| 11:46.57 | binnur_OSRF_inte | Hi! I am Binnur from Turkey. I am the participant of OPW 2013 Round 7. My internship ends on 10th of March. Am I also eligible to apply for GSOC 2014? Thank you ! |
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| 11:48.59 | CFS-MP3 | If you are enrolled in a university I don't see why not :-) |
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| 11:54.15 | binnur_OSRF_inte | Yes, I am Ph.D. student. Thanks for your answer :) |
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| 12:32.02 | AndChat66969 | Hi I am Shubhank Shelke from India I am a student in 4 year Information Technology course. I am not involved with open source software much, neither I have contacted mentors. How can start GSoC projects and ideas? |
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| 12:36.10 | teepee | AndChat66969: i guess 1) look through the mentor organisation list to find some of interrest |
| 12:36.37 | teepee | 2) look at their project proposal pages and select one or more projects |
| 12:36.52 | gevaerts | !studentguide | AndChat66969 |
| 12:36.52 | gsocbot | AndChat66969: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 12:36.58 | gevaerts | !faq | AndChat66969 |
| 12:36.58 | gsocbot | AndChat66969: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
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| 12:39.45 | CFS-MP3 | I think reading everything in GSOC's page it's absolutely essential |
| 12:40.05 | AndChat66969 | Thanks for suggestions everyone |
| 12:40.13 | CFS-MP3 | asking things that are right there in the FAQ doesn't look good :-( |
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| 12:41.19 | ravz | !numapps |
| 12:41.20 | gsocbot | ravz: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 117/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
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| 12:41.37 | ravz | !nexinline |
| 12:43.00 | CFS-MP3 | The stats I've love to see are ther number of successful projects and students (not just accepted). I'll ask carols when she pops up |
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| 12:54.41 | t_ | hi anyone there |
| 12:55.15 | d33tah | hi folks |
| 12:55.43 | d33tah | i was about to say "does anyone log this channel", but i figured that phlox81 could take it personally :P |
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| 12:56.19 | d33tah | anyway - could somebody grep -i reactos for me for last 3 days and tell me if it was explained why reactos wasn't let into gsoc? |
| 12:56.19 | skv__ | Is it okay to email potential mentors or is it considered rude? |
| 12:57.41 | d33tah | skv__: do you really have anything in private to talk about with them? |
| 12:58.09 | skv__ | d33tah: I am not getting any replies in the IRC channel |
| 12:58.27 | derdon | skv__: try their mailing list if they have one |
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| 12:58.38 | d33tah | skv__: from nmap's experience, i could tell you that some IRC channels can be very unresponsive. |
| 12:58.39 | Niharika | d33tah: This channel is logged. But for asking about why your org wasn´t selected, you should email carols. |
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| 12:58.56 | d33tah | Niharika: not mine, i'm just curious. i know that there was a meeting. |
| 12:59.03 | d33tah | where can i find logs for the channel then? |
| 12:59.26 | derdon | wonders why the link to the logs is not in the /topic |
| 12:59.35 | skv__ | derdon: Okay. And for the proposal review, should I do it in public too? |
| 12:59.47 | derdon | skv__: yes |
| 12:59.48 | Niharika | !logs |
| 12:59.48 | gsocbot | Niharika: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 12:59.56 | d33tah | Niharika: thanks! |
| 13:00.11 | Niharika | d33tah: You´re welcome! |
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| 13:00.29 | skv__ | derdon: alright. thanks |
| 13:01.13 | d33tah | okay, i grepped and couldn't find anything. |
| 13:01.59 | teepee | d33tah: i think only the orgs were discussed where someone was there at the meeting |
| 13:02.20 | d33tah | yeah, that's what i guessed. |
| 13:02.27 | d33tah | apparently noone from reactos came there. |
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| 13:13.03 | PulkoMandy | d33tah: no, ReactOS didn't come to the meeting |
| 13:13.29 | d33tah | that's a pity. |
| 13:14.07 | PulkoMandy | well, the answers are often the same for everyone, too much OS projects this year, they had to make a choice |
| 13:14.28 | PulkoMandy | (happenned to us last year) |
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| 13:17.12 | d33tah | guess you can't make everyone happy. |
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| 13:38.32 | VarunAgw | How are students chosen by organisations? |
| 13:38.59 | VarunAgw | Is there some kind of poll or admin decide whom to select |
| 13:40.20 | PulkoMandy | each orgs does whatever they want |
| 13:41.31 | teepee | VarunAgw: most outline the criteria on their pages |
| 13:41.44 | teepee | VarunAgw: e.g. http://brlcad.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code/Acceptance or http://trac.hohndel.org/wiki/SOC%20Application%20Template |
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| 16:14.25 | Kurus22 | hi i have a question, whether google select student or the organization select students?? |
| 16:14.53 | Niharika | Kurus22: Organization. |
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| 16:26.48 | Kurus22 | Niharika: does google already allocate how many project to each org?? |
| 16:27.42 | tierra | no |
| 16:28.13 | Kurus22 | then how org will no which project among theirs to select?? |
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| 16:29.12 | PulkoMandy | the org ranks the project, then tell googles how much slots they want |
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| 16:29.31 | PulkoMandy | and google distributes the available slots to orgs and tries to make everyone happy |
| 16:29.40 | PulkoMandy | sometime the org gets less slots than they requested |
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| 16:32.12 | darkstar112358 | any1 there? |
| 16:32.38 | teepee | yup |
| 16:34.05 | Kurus22 | how google decide the no of slots to org, is it by proposal which are ranked?? |
| 16:34.31 | PulkoMandy | they have a fixed total number, and they distribute it according to orgs requests |
| 16:34.50 | PulkoMandy | small orgs usually get 1 or 2, and very big ones (GNU, Python, ...) may get up to 40 |
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| 16:36.15 | Kurus22 | how many project google going to undertake this year?? |
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| 16:37.04 | meflin | doesn't mater its not a lottery |
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| 16:38.10 | Niharika | 10% more than last year, I guess. |
| 16:38.19 | PulkoMandy | there are 190 orgs, I don't know how much students are planned |
| 16:38.19 | teepee | no 10 more than ever :) |
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| 16:45.13 | thehellboy | hey anybody here? |
| 16:45.48 | amras1_ | Yep |
| 16:45.49 | amras1_ | :) |
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| 16:46.44 | thehellboy | you taking part too ? |
| 16:46.50 | thehellboy | amras1_: ...? |
| 16:47.19 | amras1 | In GSOC? |
| 16:47.20 | amras1 | Yeah |
| 16:47.46 | thehellboy | cool, which org are you planning to work with? |
| 16:47.58 | amras1 | Sunpy or astropy |
| 16:48.12 | thehellboy | im comfortable working on android, any org' you'd recommend? |
| 16:48.56 | bePolite | thehellboy: Just check the list online |
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| 16:49.03 | amras1 | Hm I didn't check for android development orgs on the list, but I think catrobat does that |
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| 16:49.10 | bePolite | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
| 16:49.21 | bePolite | and search using the tag android |
| 16:49.32 | amras1 | They have an android app similar to MIT's Scratch used to teach kids programming |
| 16:49.38 | teepee | finding something new to learn might be fun too :) |
| 16:50.00 | thehellboy | bePolite: i'm doing that, most seem like libraries so was asking for an openion |
| 16:50.54 | thehellboy | scubasurface looks fun |
| 16:51.22 | bePolite | teepee: I found myself learning perl |
| 16:51.29 | bePolite | It isn't too cool |
| 16:51.41 | teepee | you can't know until you tried ;) |
| 16:52.10 | TCD | There's plenty of exceptions. :p |
| 16:52.25 | TCD | see: malbolge |
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| 16:53.06 | teepee | thehellboy: if you go ahead with subsurface, i'd say get cracking soo. I'd imagine there might be some heavy competition about those slots :) |
| 16:53.14 | teepee | *soon |
| 16:53.32 | TCD | teepee: Surely there'd be heavy competition about all the slots ;) |
| 16:53.43 | thehellboy | teepee: is there something we can do in advance? this is the first time ill be taking part in GSOC |
| 16:54.01 | teepee | well, yeah, but working on one of the linus projects...? |
| 16:54.07 | PulkoMandy | you can contact the orgs you're interested in and start discussing projects |
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| 16:54.24 | teepee | thehellboy: check their page, it's all there |
| 16:54.28 | meflin | read code, submit bug fixes |
| 16:54.34 | PulkoMandy | you will have to write a proposal as a student |
| 16:55.01 | PulkoMandy | each org has its own requirements, but most of the time it involves researching the project idea and making sure you understand it and have a plan of action for implementing it |
| 16:55.36 | PulkoMandy | and possibly contributing a patch or code sample to the org so they can see if you're able to write some code (every year, we get some students that try GSoC, and can't actually code anything...) |
| 16:56.16 | thehellboy | thanks :) reading their page |
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| 16:57.16 | thehellboy | if we do get selected, will we have to work from home? or if there is a google office nearby, we can go there and work too? |
| 16:57.37 | PulkoMandy | you work from home |
| 16:57.44 | thehellboy | :( |
| 16:58.02 | bePolite | PulkoMandy: You get guys who can't code at all? |
| 16:58.09 | bePolite | or guys who can't code well? |
| 16:58.17 | PulkoMandy | some google offices used to organize student meetups at the end of GSoC, I don't know if that still happens |
| 16:59.19 | thehellboy | PulkoMandy: oh, I was more interested in seeing the campus and meeting everyone there and all that stuff |
| 16:59.36 | thehellboy | working alone from home would get extremely boring |
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| 17:00.08 | Slurpee | PulkoMandy, that is an good idea...I have been pondering the idea of a gsoc meetup, but needed a decent location. Of course there is a google office in my hometown :) |
| 17:00.36 | PulkoMandy | you don't really work alone, there are mailing lists and IRC channels - I agree that's not as good as face-to-face, but many open source projects work almost exclusively like that |
| 17:01.11 | rick_h_ | I'm hoping to do some hangouts as daily stand up type calls |
| 17:01.20 | rick_h_ | so there's ways of doing a decent remote work setup |
| 17:01.40 | PulkoMandy | Slurpee: there were meetups in one way or another every year - I think we have some notes about it somewhere |
| 17:02.00 | thehellboy | PulkoMandy: I though working from the google office was an option, like in my state, there is one right next to my house, so would be more exciting to work from there |
| 17:02.10 | Slurpee | PulkoMandy, thanks. I'll google it ;) |
| 17:02.19 | Kurus22 | any advice for selecting orgs for first time?? |
| 17:02.20 | thehellboy | i thout in cases where people dont have a google office they could work from home |
| 17:02.27 | thehellboy | Slurpee: or bing it ;) |
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| 17:02.50 | Slurpee | Kurus22, what is your interest? gaming? scientific? tv? gaming? os? |
| 17:02.53 | PulkoMandy | thehellboy: I don't think Google opens their doors that easily :) |
| 17:03.33 | Kurus22 | interest are there!! but projects seems to be hard |
| 17:03.53 | thehellboy | PulkoMandy: true. for the hackathons they do, though they might for this too |
| 17:04.13 | thehellboy | are you from google? |
| 17:04.15 | Kurus22 | even i go some which are intersted and to be managable there are heavy competion |
| 17:04.19 | PulkoMandy | Kurus22: don't forget you will be mentored during GSoC. So pick something that looks interesting, and don't hesitate to contact the org, and ask for additional details |
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| 17:04.37 | PulkoMandy | thehellboy: no - I got a job interview there but they didn't hire me |
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| 17:04.59 | thehellboy | aha |
| 17:05.04 | thehellboy | wher do you work now? |
| 17:05.13 | Kurus22 | yes you are correct but there are heavy competition with some well experienced developers |
| 17:05.23 | PulkoMandy | at home - for the Haiku project |
| 17:05.53 | thehellboy | oh |
| 17:06.13 | thehellboy | yey found an org that i like :D |
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| 17:06.37 | PulkoMandy | Kurus22: being experienced doesn't do everything. If you show interest to the project, and you are able to set up a plan of action for it, it may work well |
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| 17:06.58 | thehellboy | is anybody from google here who could answer this: Can we work from the google office if its nearby in our state? |
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| 17:07.06 | meflin | no you may not |
| 17:07.23 | bePolite | lol |
| 17:07.35 | Kurus22 | PulkoMandy: can you give some suggetion to show our interst to org?? |
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| 17:07.47 | bePolite | thehellboy: You like to feel the environs of Google? |
| 17:08.17 | PulkoMandy | Kurus22: join mailing lists or IRC channel for that organization, and ask for help to write your proposal |
| 17:08.18 | meflin | Kurus22: interact with the community, be active DO stuff like patches |
| 17:08.33 | PulkoMandy | make sure you can compile and run the code from that project, and start trying to make simple changes to it |
| 17:08.35 | thehellboy | bePolite: environs? environment? yup :D |
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| 17:09.07 | bePolite | thehellboy: I hear all the GSOC participants this year would go there |
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| 17:09.20 | bePolite | So if you make it, you would be there too |
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| 17:09.56 | thehellboy | that'd be great |
| 17:10.34 | PulkoMandy | there is a "mentor summit" at the end, but in previous years this was only for up to 2 mentors from each org, and no students, as far as I know |
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| 17:10.57 | PulkoMandy | but that could change this year - maybe they plan a secret 10th GSoC party or whatever |
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| 17:11.24 | bePolite | After my exams, I would dedicate my whole time to GSOC |
| 17:11.25 | meflin | this year all old mentors and students have an invite but there is still only a limited # who can go |
| 17:11.50 | bePolite | I need the experience and The Money very badly |
| 17:11.53 | thehellboy | oh this is to the MTV campus? |
| 17:11.59 | meflin | yes |
| 17:12.04 | Kurus22 | PulkoMandy: your guides are help ful to me, even i am afraid |
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| 17:12.37 | thehellboy | oh, i wanted to know if we could work at one nearby for the 2-months |
| 17:12.38 | thehellboy | hehe |
| 17:12.48 | meflin | thehellboy: no you cant |
| 17:12.54 | bePolite | lol thehellboy |
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| 17:12.59 | thehellboy | :( |
| 17:13.18 | thehellboy | can we just request a visit if we are architecture students? |
| 17:13.30 | PulkoMandy | what about getting hired at Google, if that's what you really want? :) |
| 17:13.39 | meflin | I supose you can ask .. but there is little point |
| 17:13.57 | meflin | heck I provide services to my local g-office and I can't get a snack ;) |
| 17:14.23 | bePolite | lol stanford uses and recommends w3schools |
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| 17:14.36 | thehellboy | PulkoMandy: im not studying computers |
| 17:14.41 | thehellboy | just wanna check out the architecture |
| 17:15.09 | PulkoMandy | they hire software architects, I heard :p |
| 17:15.53 | hiddenpearls | meflin: are you sure there will be an invite for old students and mentors for GSoC Summit? |
| 17:16.03 | thehellboy | im not doing that, buildings, interesiors etc is my thing :P |
| 17:16.07 | meflin | hiddenpearls: yes |
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| 17:16.21 | meflin | its been announced ... process unknown at this time |
| 17:16.54 | thehellboy | meflin: the food is overhyped, nothing that great :) |
| 17:17.07 | meflin | thehellboy: I know :P :P :P |
| 17:17.15 | PulkoMandy | but it's free! |
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| 17:17.28 | hiddenpearls | wow that would be great meflin, where it is announced btw ? |
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| 17:17.46 | meflin | hiddenpearls: no idea other then here .. probably on the blog |
| 17:17.56 | hiddenpearls | ok |
| 17:18.02 | thehellboy | most of the companies give free food in todays time, all startups do |
| 17:18.11 | thehellboy | google might have been the first few in its time |
| 17:18.13 | PulkoMandy | no, not all of them |
| 17:18.20 | meflin | all startups? ... I never got food hmm |
| 17:18.20 | PulkoMandy | I worked at one that didn't |
| 17:18.32 | PulkoMandy | we had to clean the offices ourselves, too |
| 17:18.48 | thehellboy | i guess only the ones in SF do |
| 17:18.57 | thehellboy | SF NY etc, all the posh cities i guess |
| 17:19.05 | thehellboy | PulkoMandy lol |
| 17:19.11 | Slurpee | I believe it was mentioned @ http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/10/google-code-in-2013-and-google-summer.html ? |
| 17:19.47 | bePolite | thehellboy: Maybe getting a Google Job is what you want |
| 17:20.06 | thehellboy | nah not interested in working there |
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| 17:22.22 | bePolite | so you just want to see how Google looks like |
| 17:22.37 | bePolite | maybe rent the movie "The Internship |
| 17:22.38 | meflin | generic rented office space |
| 17:22.54 | thehellboy | yes |
| 17:23.01 | thehellboy | saw that, movie hardly covers anything |
| 17:23.09 | thehellboy | wanna do more of a case study of the architecture |
| 17:23.14 | thehellboy | im an architecture student man :P |
| 17:23.21 | meflin | see above |
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| 17:24.26 | hiddenpearls | Slurpee: meflin: Yes It is written at http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/10/google-code-in-2013-and-google-summer.html |
| 17:24.38 | thehellboy | gotta go, |
| 17:24.39 | thehellboy | peace out |
| 17:24.39 | hiddenpearls | 10 year student reunion event will be held on Google’s Mountain View campus next year for all the students who have participated in the program. |
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| 17:25.09 | meflin | AFAIK it will be campus ..to hold more ppl but I might have misunderstood that part |
| 17:25.13 | meflin | off |
| 17:25.14 | derdon | hiddenpearls: next year or this year? |
| 17:25.19 | meflin | this year |
| 17:25.23 | hiddenpearls | this year |
| 17:25.29 | derdon | k |
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| 17:26.05 | meflin | I'm afraid that drunk geeks might reach critical mass and cause a black hole to form ;) |
| 17:26.15 | hiddenpearls | meflin: I think Google will pay for the travel etc :) |
| 17:26.28 | Slurpee | bepolite's comment about movie "The Internship" is very accurate. Shows lots of Google's campus I saw at mentor summit. |
| 17:26.32 | meflin | not travel for alumni just normal MS |
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| 17:27.00 | hiddenpearls | normal MS ? |
| 17:27.10 | PulkoMandy | mentor summit |
| 17:27.22 | PulkoMandy | that's the thing that already happens every year, but is only for mentors |
| 17:27.27 | meflin | ie if your an alum you dont get travel |
| 17:28.17 | hiddenpearls | I am a GSoC 2010 student |
| 17:28.29 | meflin | pay your own way |
| 17:28.46 | hiddenpearls | but this is written on the blog |
| 17:28.48 | hiddenpearls | 10 year student reunion event will be held on Google’s Mountain View campus next year for all the students who have participated in the program. |
| 17:29.01 | PulkoMandy | they don't say they'll pay the flight for you |
| 17:29.05 | meflin | that doesn't say that G is paying ;) |
| 17:29.09 | hiddenpearls | :) |
| 17:29.27 | hiddenpearls | I wish they do ;) |
| 17:29.38 | meflin | that is show up and we will buy you a beer ;) |
| 17:30.21 | PulkoMandy | they should move the mentor summit to europe, would be simpler for me :) |
| 17:30.24 | meflin | heh so do I ... an old mentor I know I would love to bring to that ... but tickets from london cost big $ ;) |
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| 17:33.49 | downey | hiddenpearls: carols has said that students don't receive a paid trip to the reunion |
| 17:34.27 | downey | hiddenpearls: it also won't be *on* the google campus, it will be nearby |
| 17:34.29 | hiddenpearls | downey: hmm then how students will manage the big $$ |
| 17:34.35 | downey | the campus isn't big enough for that many people |
| 17:35.00 | meflin | managing $ is up to them |
| 17:35.14 | hiddenpearls | downey: every student can't pay that much I think :) |
| 17:35.30 | downey | hiddenpearls: i don't think anyone expects every student to come |
| 17:35.48 | hiddenpearls | hmm |
| 17:35.48 | meflin | there isn't room for every student |
| 17:35.55 | hiddenpearls | ok |
| 17:36.09 | downey | meflin: that too. |
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| 17:36.32 | meflin | if every student got a free trip that could be like 50K ppl? |
| 17:36.36 | downey | meflin: actually i wouldn't go that far. i think google would make space available for everyone that commits to coming, whatever that size would be |
| 17:36.38 | gevaerts | Get smaller students! |
| 17:36.50 | downey | meflin: they have some pretty big meeting venues in the bay area :) |
| 17:36.59 | meflin | not that big ;) |
| 17:36.59 | downey | gevaerts: smaller students would work. |
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| 17:37.14 | meflin | no student over 3-foot/1 meeter |
| 17:37.24 | VarunAgw | downey, smaller students? in age? |
| 17:37.25 | meflin | we will ship them like cargo |
| 17:37.28 | PulkoMandy | it's like ~10000 students over 10 years - not easy to find space for that much people |
| 17:37.31 | gevaerts | adjusts his hypothetical application template. "How big are you?" |
| 17:37.35 | downey | VarunAgw: size. |
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| 17:38.01 | PulkoMandy | there is GCI for younger ones (and the winners do get to visit Google for free) |
| 17:38.21 | downey | meflin: moscone center has 65k+ square meters |
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| 17:39.51 | downey | plus another 24k sq m for meeting rooms |
| 17:39.59 | VarunAgw | When did the plan changed? |
| 17:40.25 | downey | VarunAgw: what plan? |
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| 17:41.21 | VarunAgw | downey, For unpaid trip. I guess earlier it was paid. |
| 17:41.40 | downey | VarunAgw: There's no change of plans. Former mentors & students are still invited. No one ever said their trip would be paid. |
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| 17:41.53 | VarunAgw | hmm. |
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| 17:43.39 | logicwins | Hi :) anyone from IMS (Italian Mars Society) here? |
| 17:43.51 | downey | !anyone | logicwins |
| 17:43.51 | gsocbot | logicwins: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
| 17:46.01 | logicwins | downey: I mailed them reagarding one of the project ideas am interested in but I mail got bounced back saying may be that mailing list doesn't exits or may be I don't have permission to post. |
| 17:46.21 | downey | logicwins: Did you subscribe to the mailing list first? |
| 17:46.43 | logicwins | downey: Nope |
| 17:46.52 | downey | logicwins: Try that. :) |
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| 17:47.14 | logicwins | subscription link is not given on the page |
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| 17:48.23 | downey | logicwins: Hmm. You might have to do some more research then. Check their other web pages for information, or maybe use an alternate way to contact them if they have something listed on their GSoC pages. |
| 17:48.43 | logicwins | ok |
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| 20:45.42 | meflin | !am I good enough |
| 20:45.51 | meflin | anyone know that link? |
| 20:45.56 | gevaerts | !goodenough |
| 20:45.56 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 20:46.06 | meflin | thankys very much |
| 20:46.40 | VarunAgw | Can't you bot just tell the answer in Yes or No |
| 20:46.57 | meflin | VarunAgw: in you case ... we can .. No ;) |
| 20:48.28 | VarunAgw | Bots really rule everywhere |
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| 20:49.19 | VarunAgw | Even stack overflow chat have bots |
| 20:50.30 | achuthpv | WHOIS neocet |
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| 20:52.12 | meflin | gevaerts: happy fun its broken |
| 20:52.30 | achuthpv | gsocbot faq |
| 20:52.32 | gsocbot | achuthpv: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 20:53.07 | meflin | this is why I get payed the big bucks ... |
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| 20:55.42 | meflin | PSF need to write me a check for $0.10 so I can stop saying I've never seen a dime ;) |
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| 21:56.38 | rvdfox | hey someone up |
| 21:56.57 | thiago | yes |
| 21:57.47 | rvdfox | hey thiago !!..sup?? |
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| 22:08.09 | olly | rvdfox: you'll probably get more useful answers if you ask more useful questions |
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| 22:09.24 | rvdfox | yeah solly...was jst checkng..if it works fine!! |
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| 22:13.08 | meflin | rvdfox: so you anoyed 300+ ppl for that ? |
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| 23:18.23 | DustyDingo | hi, i got a tax related question concerning gsoc. |
| 23:19.08 | DustyDingo | is google reporting the income to my local ministry of finance or tax council? |
| 23:19.13 | meflin | ask a professional |
| 23:19.40 | meflin | no one has a clue about your local even G |
| 23:19.43 | DustyDingo | or is google just requesting a "proof of income". |
| 23:20.23 | olly | DustyDingo: IIUC, google pay students as if they were contractors |
| 23:20.44 | olly | we probably can't tell you what that means for your local tax situation though |
| 23:20.53 | DustyDingo | "For students based in the United States, we will need a completed IRS form W9." |
| 23:21.20 | olly | then if you're in the US, do that |
| 23:22.10 | n|west | I connected a university account to my organization as a mentor. carols added me to mentors announce and discuss groups, but my university apparently doesn't pay for access to google groups outside of my domain |
| 23:22.29 | n|west | so it appears I'm in sort of a deadlock with the groups |
| 23:22.57 | DustyDingo | no, i am based in austria, i am just wondering what that means. if this primairly for google reporting information to the IRS or google requesting information about my personal income. |
| 23:23.17 | meflin | DustyDingo: tax issues are on you |
| 23:23.50 | n|west | any tips on how I can get access to change my email settings in the group? |
| 23:23.55 | meflin | and no one pays for acess to google groups |
| 23:24.29 | DustyDingo | meflin: so google is not dealing with my local "IRS" in anyway. i just give them an account number and the rest is up to me? |
| 23:24.30 | n|west | well, when I access to group I get this message: "You only have read-only access to groups outside your domain. Contact your domain administrator for more information." |
| 23:24.35 | olly | n|west: is the uni using the hosted google apps thing? |
| 23:25.02 | meflin | DustyDingo: no idea how it works there ... but G isn't going to do your taxes |
| 23:25.20 | n|west | olly: hmm, not exactly sure how to answer that. Email is through google, if that's what you're asking |
| 23:25.30 | olly | n|west: probably then |
| 23:25.36 | olly | sounds like it's not working right |
| 23:25.40 | meflin | DustyDingo: can you imaging trying to 180+ countrys taxees? |
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| 23:26.08 | olly | simplest thing to do is probably create a new google account and ask nicely in #melange if they'll update your account to use that |
| 23:26.36 | DustyDingo | meflin: i am aware of that, but they may at least report the income to the authorities here. citing from the faq "For students based outside the United States, we will need a completed Foreign Certification form." |
| 23:26.56 | DustyDingo | it would be in my interrest if they are not involved at all. |
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| 23:26.59 | meflin | I have no clue what that means for taxes |
| 23:27.06 | DustyDingo | mhm, k |
| 23:27.10 | meflin | and why should G |
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| 23:27.55 | DustyDingo | it's very untypical for any contracting to do this "proactive" even here in austria, but it is possible. |
| 23:28.02 | olly | DustyDingo: it's probably you should declare the income locally, and that may mean you get to pay tax on it |
| 23:28.10 | olly | but I know nothing of austrian tax |
| 23:28.26 | meflin | 180+ countrys and you are not a G contractor |
| 23:28.42 | meflin | its all on you |
| 23:28.52 | olly | meflin: is that not the technical status? |
| 23:29.05 | meflin | no it is not |
| 23:29.12 | olly | though you shouldn't write "contractor at Google" on a CV/resume |
| 23:29.34 | meflin | students do not work for google at all in gsoc |
| 23:29.48 | meflin | both as a mater of law and an mater of principle |
| 23:30.26 | olly | bows to your superior legal authority then |
| 23:30.44 | DustyDingo | it's actually not the taxes. it's about the social security fund. we have some fucked up situation here in austria and you can easily run into the problem that you have to pay 5000 euros when you just earned 4000 |
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| 23:31.15 | meflin | DustyDingo: not Gsocs problem ;) |
| 23:31.39 | olly | suspects you can decline the stipend if you really want to |
| 23:31.59 | DustyDingo | but there are ways to work around that. but this would require that google is not reporting anything to my local authorities on there own. but in the FAQ they clearly denote something like this. |
| 23:32.01 | meflin | AFIAK no one can force money on you |
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| 23:32.26 | meflin | DustyDingo: and why would google do that? either way |
| 23:32.37 | DustyDingo | *shrug* don't know |
| 23:33.32 | meflin | your bringing that up here seem like forcing G's hand to report |
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| 23:36.16 | olly | hmm, actually the FAQ says "participating in Google Summer of Code means you must accept the stipend" |
| 23:36.26 | meflin | huh odd |
| 23:36.35 | olly | it's a reasonable point that you can work with an open source org anyway |
| 23:37.00 | olly | the orgs certainly don't need to accept the money, or can ask for someone else to accept it on their behalf |
| 23:37.31 | meflin | wooot $500 :P |
| 23:37.47 | olly | well, * N |
| 23:38.03 | meflin | not that I have even seen a $ |
| 23:38.29 | DustyDingo | i could include gsoc in my master degree project. not in terms of any actual work or as far as google ins invovled. but on an income/outgo basis. |
| 23:39.14 | meflin | so its all about the cash |
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| 23:39.49 | olly | to be fair, for a lot of students the money is probably a way to enable them to spend 3 months doing this |
| 23:40.30 | DustyDingo | i do a lot of unpaid open source and community work. |
| 23:40.45 | DustyDingo | gsoc would be just a way to do this for 3 more months |
| 23:40.51 | DustyDingo | but not if the numbers add up. |
| 23:40.58 | DustyDingo | *don't add up. |
| 23:41.49 | DustyDingo | that's why i have to check in advance. |
| 23:45.08 | DustyDingo | meflin: the spending for my master degree project add up to about 12k so far. so yes, if you want to do relativley independent research you have to think about ways to fund your work. unfortunately. |
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| 23:57.01 | meflin | :) |
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