| 00:03.28 | ignacio|here | anyone want to help? (Google Code In Bot) https://github.com/ignaciouy/Google-Code-In-Bot |
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| 00:25.56 | mcanini | carols: in the organization registration form, what is the tags field for? are they keywords? |
| 00:26.34 | carols | mcanini: you see the tags listed here? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013 |
| 00:26.39 | carols | it will go there if you're accepted |
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| 00:29.57 | hello_world | thanks gevaerts .. for that day's lines and argument |
| 00:30.17 | hello_world | i just feel like home to be here ! |
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| 00:33.09 | mcanini | carols: once I submit the application, can it still be edited until the deadline? |
| 00:33.41 | carols | yes |
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| 00:53.51 | carols | oh, have a nice night everyone |
| 00:53.57 | carols | good luck with those apps |
| 00:53.57 | carols | see you tomorrow |
| 00:53.59 | meflin | night |
| 00:54.11 | carols | night meflin |
| 00:54.18 | meflin | goes to TWAP the no shows |
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| 01:24.07 | Slurpee | Quiet in here now ;) |
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| 01:32.32 | stqism | Very quiet |
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| 01:40.42 | Slurpee | How many years has the Mentor Summit taken place? All 10 years? |
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| 01:43.58 | olly_ | Slurpee: I believe so |
| 01:44.28 | olly_ | (well, all 9 so far) |
| 01:45.16 | Slurpee | right... |
| 01:45.23 | Slurpee | Thanks again :) |
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| 02:06.02 | danshearer | hello all! |
| 02:06.36 | danshearer | Just signing up as an organisation, and the last step (Questionnaire) is going around in circles, won't allow me to submit although doesn't give me an error. |
| 02:06.59 | danshearer | And I put some detail in the answers as well :-) Any ideas? |
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| 02:13.38 | olly_ | danshearer: that's just how it works |
| 02:13.47 | olly_ | check in your dashboard if you want to make sure it's submitted |
| 02:15.21 | danshearer | ah, I geddit - web design by the Gnome school of dialogue boxes :-) :-) |
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| 02:15.55 | danshearer | Thanks! It's all there. Good 'ol idempotent submit button. Goodnight all.... |
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| 02:49.36 | DaSpirit | Does the organization applying email, does it have to be the personal email of the owner? |
| 02:49.58 | DaSpirit | (the organization I am helping has an organization@gmail.com) |
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| 02:51.12 | olly_ | DaSpirit: you aren't asked to give an email address for the org |
| 02:51.26 | DaSpirit | Well, I mean for filling out the form. |
| 02:51.37 | olly_ | the admin signs up (and gives their email) |
| 02:52.00 | olly_ | then they fill in an org application (and there isn't a question asking for an email for the org) |
| 02:52.30 | DaSpirit | The admin should sign up for a gmail? |
| 02:52.39 | DaSpirit | Eh Google Account? |
| 02:52.48 | DaSpirit | So it should be personal of the admin? |
| 02:53.00 | olly_ | you need a google account (which isn't exactly the same as a gmail account) |
| 02:53.10 | olly_ | i think it should be |
| 02:53.29 | MatthewWilkes | It should, as the backup admin will need an account, too. As do all the mentors. |
| 02:53.55 | MatthewWilkes | You can make the org account a backup admin, but you should have personal accounts for the main ones, imho. |
| 02:54.19 | olly_ | it just seems to be asking for nobody to take ownership of an issue, if nothing else |
| 02:54.49 | MatthewWilkes | You need to sign an agreement as part of the signup, too, which probably makes assumptions about you being a natural person |
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| 03:03.15 | REDACTED | my username is not valid? |
| 03:03.17 | REDACTED | "REDACTED" is not a properly-formed username.O |
| 03:03.29 | olly_ | REDACTED: needs to be all lower case |
| 03:03.34 | REDACTED | ok |
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| 03:07.32 | REDACTED | ok ive finally submitted the form but its not doing anything |
| 03:07.40 | olly_ | yeah, it does that |
| 03:07.40 | REDACTED | i hit submit and its just not going anywhere |
| 03:07.48 | olly_ | it has submitted though |
| 03:08.40 | olly_ | if you look closely, you're now in "edit profile" |
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| 03:08.43 | REDACTED | >: |
| 03:08.48 | REDACTED | ok good |
| 03:08.53 | REDACTED | thank you |
| 03:09.00 | DaSpirit | olly_, you work at Google? |
| 03:09.07 | olly_ | no |
| 03:10.29 | DaSpirit | Where do you submit the actual org app? |
| 03:10.41 | olly_ | create a profile, then see the front page |
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| 03:14.40 | DaSpirit | olly_, for mailing list, if we don't have one, can we put forums? |
| 03:15.16 | olly_ | i can't give a definitive answer, but that seems reasonable to me |
| 03:15.40 | olly_ | personally, i think being able to add labelled contact methods would be better than a growing list of specific ones |
| 03:17.07 | DaSpirit | What do we put for IRC channel? |
| 03:17.13 | DaSpirit | We have to list the server? |
| 03:17.19 | meflin | netowrk |
| 03:17.26 | DaSpirit | In what type of format? |
| 03:17.34 | olly_ | created a short page on our wiki with details |
| 03:17.35 | DaSpirit | What if the channel is on freenode, for example? |
| 03:17.36 | olly_ | and linked to that |
| 03:18.03 | meflin | url standards are .. standard |
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| 03:18.44 | DaSpirit | Can members change their email in the future? |
| 03:18.45 | olly_ | then you can give human readable details, an irc: url and a link to the webchat interface |
| 03:19.07 | stqism | For example, we used: "#{channel}, on Freenode" |
| 03:19.20 | REDACTED | i put down irc.freeenode.net #enigma |
| 03:19.24 | REDACTED | that ok? |
| 03:20.03 | stqism | REDACTED: That's fine. Just so they get the idea |
| 03:20.07 | olly_ | the standard irc url would be irc://irc.freenode.net/enigma |
| 03:20.31 | REDACTED | ill put the url, not sure if all of them will be familiar with irc |
| 03:20.43 | REDACTED | heh i still only use the same server a year after starting IRC |
| 03:20.49 | stqism | At least most of them are |
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| 03:21.42 | stqism | Just a friendly reminder that you only have 15 hours to finish your application. |
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| 03:22.15 | stqism | Also, we start out with 336 hours. |
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| 03:28.56 | shaohuanli | Shall we submit the organization applications to carols via email? |
| 03:29.16 | olly_ | shaohuanli: no, use google-melange.com |
| 03:29.25 | olly_ | if you email it, it won't be valid |
| 03:29.26 | shaohuanli | Oh, thanks! |
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| 03:44.20 | DaSpirit | Do we put the proposal on the org description? |
| 03:45.11 | olly_ | what proposal? |
| 03:45.32 | DaSpirit | The proposal that the org needs that it talks about on the FAQs. |
| 03:45.59 | DaSpirit | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#2._What_should_a_mentoring_organization |
| 03:46.00 | DaSpirit | This one. |
| 03:46.08 | DaSpirit | Is that what I put into description? |
| 03:46.29 | olly_ | no, that's just giving an idea of the questions you need to answer |
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| 03:46.49 | DaSpirit | Oh, does that go after the initial submission? |
| 03:47.10 | REDACTED | why did josh think it was to be written like an esssay? |
| 03:47.13 | REDACTED | I did. |
| 03:47.15 | olly_ | first you fill in the "Profile" for the org |
| 03:47.28 | DaSpirit | robbyoconnor, maybe copy from website? |
| 03:47.33 | DaSpirit | REDACTED, * |
| 03:47.35 | DaSpirit | sorry |
| 03:47.35 | olly_ | then there's a "Questionnaire" in a second tab |
| 03:47.43 | REDACTED | I did. |
| 03:48.00 | REDACTED | but josh said it didn't cover everything |
| 03:48.00 | olly_ | answer the questions those ask |
| 03:48.09 | DaSpirit | REDACTED, what are you on about? |
| 03:48.18 | olly_ | the FAQ entry just gives an idea of what those are (in advance of orgs being able to apply) |
| 03:48.47 | olly_ | REDACTED: the place to put anything like that would seem to be "Is there anything else we should know or you'd like to tell us that doesn't fit anywhere else on the application?" |
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| 03:50.07 | REDACTED | DaSpirit, :( |
| 03:50.13 | DaSpirit | lol |
| 03:50.16 | DaSpirit | whoops |
| 03:50.23 | REDACTED | luckily i kept tab open |
| 03:51.15 | olly_ | you can get back to it from the dashboard anyway |
| 03:51.28 | REDACTED | DaSpirit, go |
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| 04:25.51 | REDACTED | What steps will you take to encourage students to interact with your project's community before and during the program?* |
| 04:25.59 | REDACTED | what exactly are you guys looking for as an answer to this? |
| 04:26.15 | Cervator | exactly what it sounds like? :-) |
| 04:26.24 | REDACTED | i focused my answer on basically, find out what the students interests are and see if we can incorporate that into our goals |
| 04:26.28 | Cervator | how will you reach out to them? keep in touch? keep them engaged? etc |
| 04:26.52 | REDACTED | Cervator, alright sounds like i got a good answer right? |
| 04:27.28 | Cervator | that's one thing, yeah - another suggestion, for instance, have a community event online - find a game everybody enjoys and set up a multiplayer session or something like that |
| 04:27.48 | REDACTED | oh i didn't know we could go into that |
| 04:27.52 | Cervator | maybe there's a weekend game hackathon somewhere you can participate in separately as a team |
| 04:27.56 | DaSpirit | Oh, we have events in our community. |
| 04:27.57 | REDACTED | yes definitely we can do those sort of things if people want |
| 04:28.05 | DaSpirit | REDACTED, like that new event, where you can win a prize. |
| 04:28.21 | REDACTED | Cervator, we also (we're a game engine) we have a competition of our own that users can participate and win prizes |
| 04:28.30 | REDACTED | cash too |
| 04:28.38 | Cervator | excellent - mention that kind of stuff :-) |
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| 04:38.35 | REDACTED | when you submit the org. form is it supposed to redirect anywhere or no? |
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| 04:38.48 | stqism | Nope |
| 04:41.34 | DaSpirit | After we fill out the questionaire is there anything left? |
| 04:41.36 | DaSpirit | Or is it done? |
| 04:42.18 | stqism | Done! |
| 04:42.24 | DaSpirit | :D |
| 04:42.30 | DaSpirit | Now just hope to get accepted. |
| 04:42.32 | umccullough | make sure your ideas page is there |
| 04:42.41 | DaSpirit | REDACTED, is it there? |
| 04:42.50 | REDACTED | should be |
| 04:42.55 | DaSpirit | Double check. |
| 04:43.00 | REDACTED | i just did |
| 04:43.04 | DaSpirit | Yay! |
| 04:43.05 | REDACTED | oh ideas! |
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| 04:43.09 | REDACTED | wait idk |
| 04:43.45 | DaSpirit | It's there. |
| 04:44.00 | DaSpirit | I wish I'd knew about the deadline sooner. |
| 04:44.01 | REDACTED | DaSpirit, its there |
| 04:44.19 | umccullough | why didn't you know? |
| 04:44.58 | DaSpirit | Can we add more ideas tomorrow? |
| 04:45.03 | DaSpirit | I mean after the deadline? |
| 04:45.08 | umccullough | well... |
| 04:45.10 | stqism | You can try! |
| 04:45.12 | umccullough | i asked carol about that |
| 04:45.13 | DaSpirit | Do they get checked immediately? |
| 04:45.15 | olly_ | yes, but they start reviewing right away |
| 04:45.31 | olly_ | so they'll likely see the page as it is at the dealine |
| 04:45.32 | umccullough | i would try to get it all in place before the deadline just in case |
| 04:45.40 | stqism | You could always hope they haven't checked yet, but I wouldn't risk it. |
| 04:45.59 | umccullough | imagines them using google cache to freeze each ideas page in time |
| 04:46.17 | stqism | That would be kinda funny |
| 04:46.29 | DaSpirit | lol |
| 04:46.37 | DaSpirit | How many ideas is generally recommended? |
| 04:46.46 | umccullough | as many as possible? |
| 04:46.49 | DaSpirit | :p |
| 04:46.55 | umccullough | you want to give students a lot of options |
| 04:46.58 | DaSpirit | We started with 10, but then reduced to 5 because some were too easy. |
| 04:47.04 | umccullough | mm... |
| 04:47.07 | umccullough | yeah that's tough |
| 04:47.08 | olly_ | it doesn't make sense to have hundreds of ideas if you've only 3 mentors |
| 04:47.19 | DaSpirit | lol |
| 04:47.20 | olly_ | it'll just be too daunting to students |
| 04:47.22 | umccullough | olly_, true, but it gives students a wider variety to choose from |
| 04:47.33 | umccullough | if they're too easy, then it won't be very useful |
| 04:47.56 | umccullough | 5 isn't bad, how many mentors? |
| 04:48.03 | olly_ | if you are that size org, I doubt you can come up with 100s of ideas which are actually very different to each other |
| 04:48.16 | DaSpirit | umccullough, 2 confirmed. |
| 04:48.19 | umccullough | ok |
| 04:48.31 | umccullough | well, it's also common that a student will propose a completely different idea that is good |
| 04:48.48 | umccullough | well... maybe not "common", but not uncommon either |
| 04:49.10 | olly_ | the FAQ says some of the best ideas come from students, which is true |
| 04:49.21 | olly_ | but some of the very worst do too |
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| 04:50.17 | olly_ | mostly those are students who have an idea and then try to find an org to "sell" it to |
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| 04:55.03 | umccullough | heh |
| 04:55.49 | umccullough | is curious what the current app submission count is again |
| 04:56.41 | stqism | Small, we still have more then an hour to go :P |
| 04:57.37 | REDACTED | olly_, so we can potentially expand these ideas later on? |
| 04:57.47 | stqism | REDACTED: Bad idea! |
| 04:57.50 | REDACTED | i tried to isolate them to make it easier for them to learn git revision software |
| 04:58.08 | stqism | You don't really want to wait this far on |
| 04:58.09 | olly_ | yes, but if the ideas list isn't good, you are unlikely to get selected |
| 04:58.30 | REDACTED | would you guys like to take a look at what we have? |
| 04:59.01 | Cervator | yep :-) |
| 04:59.07 | joshwambua | sure |
| 04:59.08 | REDACTED | http://enigma-dev.org/docs/Wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code:_2014 |
| 04:59.35 | olly_ | i really need to go and wash up, but i'll take a look in a few minutes |
| 04:59.54 | Cervator | 1) Do an introduction about your organization and what you do |
| 05:00.22 | Cervator | 2) Moar links! |
| 05:01.20 | Cervator | 3) More mentors |
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| 05:01.54 | REDACTED | ok |
| 05:02.07 | REDACTED | Cervator, the only problem is more mentors :P |
| 05:02.15 | Cervator | a few more ideas would be good too, but yeah can be tricky :-) |
| 05:02.25 | REDACTED | our 3rd potential one is MIA |
| 05:02.51 | Cervator | not that i'm any sort of gsoc official but i can imagine only having 1-2 mentors is a red flag - if just one if you go MIA the whole project might be in jeopardy |
| 05:03.13 | Cervator | one of* you |
| 05:03.59 | REDACTED | there's plenty of people around, just not sure if anyone is qualified enough |
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| 05:04.33 | Cervator | if they're willing to toss their name into the pool that might be a help - even if they aren't experts :-) |
| 05:04.49 | umccullough | stqism, we have more than an hour, for sure |
| 05:05.09 | umccullough | 19:00 UTC on 2014-02-14 |
| 05:05.38 | umccullough | oh, you mean we'll see them all at the last hour :) |
| 05:05.45 | umccullough | nm |
| 05:05.48 | umccullough | is tired |
| 05:06.00 | stqism | umccullough: Bit under 13 hours? we'll see the 99% in 12 hours :P |
| 05:06.11 | umccullough | heh' |
| 05:06.21 | umccullough | silly procrastinators |
| 05:07.33 | umccullough | as for mentors, if you can drum up a couple "backup" mentors, that's always good |
| 05:07.50 | umccullough | these would be people who pick up the slack when the official mentors are unavailable |
| 05:08.03 | umccullough | is usually a backup mentor |
| 05:08.56 | umccullough | while our org has ~13 mentors, we usually only request 5 or 6 slots |
| 05:09.31 | umccullough | that way there's plenty of help to go around, and no student should be left idle |
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| 05:26.29 | olly_ | REDACTED: looks pretty good to me |
| 05:26.45 | olly_ | you could perhaps add a link to the forums in the top bit |
| 05:26.51 | olly_ | though perhaps that's an initiative test |
| 05:28.00 | olly_ | i wouldn't worry too much about more mentors - 3 seems enough to have redundancy |
| 05:29.05 | olly_ | you want to be careful not to have people volunteering to mentor who aren't really up for it but feel they ought to for the good of the project or similar - it just leads to pain later |
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| 05:29.27 | olly_ | as a new org, you're likely to get 1 or 2 slots anyway |
| 05:30.08 | Slurpee | olly_, how long will you be around reviewing idea pages? |
| 05:31.27 | olly_ | probably not for long, but I'm sure there are other people here who can give you feedback |
| 05:32.48 | Slurpee | olly_, our task list is too long and we're trying to condense it into a list with onl solid proposals. |
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| 05:38.31 | olly_ | sounds good |
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| 05:48.05 | nurupo | quick question: are multiple students perproject/proposal allowed and what about multiple mentors? |
| 05:48.15 | stqism | nurupo: carols isn't here :) |
| 05:48.47 | nurupo | stqism: it still doesn't hurt to ask |
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| 05:49.38 | stqism | Don't think any ospo people are online atm either. |
| 05:49.39 | olly_ | the FAQ explcitly covers the first part |
| 05:49.46 | olly_ | multiple mentors per student are encouraged |
| 05:54.36 | REDACTED | olasd, hi again, the forums are linked directly to the left, as well as a web link to our IRC |
| 05:54.50 | REDACTED | http://enigma-dev.org/docs/Wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code:_2014 |
| 05:55.00 | REDACTED | olly_, my apologies, see the dropdown links to the left? |
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| 05:55.34 | olly_ | ah, i missed that |
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| 06:00.07 | REDACTED | olly_, hey thanks for all your help, very appreciated |
| 06:01.02 | olly_ | nurupo: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#10._Can_a_group_apply_for_and_work_on_a |
| 06:01.09 | olly_ | and FAQ 11 |
| 06:01.30 | REDACTED | i must say of all the IRC channels i've ever been on this has been the most helpful |
| 06:01.33 | REDACTED | thank you all! |
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| 06:02.15 | stqism | Did anyone notice that? |
| 06:02.17 | stqism | Part: REDACTED [~NickBert@pool-72-72-249-79.altnpa.east.verizon.net] ["fuck you too bitch"] |
| 06:02.31 | stqism | Pardon my copied language. |
| 06:03.10 | olly_ | rather jars with the last thing he said too |
| 06:03.51 | stqism | Pretty funny how it worked out |
| 06:04.01 | Cervator | i've occasionally wondered if people ever think about their quit messages after maybe once - if they set up something custom |
| 06:04.12 | nurupo | olly_: thanks, RTFM'ed :) |
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| 06:07.18 | umccullough | it sounds like he joins all the wrong IRC channels |
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| 06:20.40 | Aetherspawn | haha I know robert |
| 06:20.53 | Aetherspawn | and I visit some of the channels he does, and his quit message is pretty appropraite there ;) |
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| 06:21.10 | Aetherspawn | *appropriate |
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| 07:53.53 | fcarbogn | Hi, while doing the org submission I tried to reuse the same org id o last year (ims) but I got en error message, so I choose a difrent one (marsoc), would this create any problem? |
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| 07:54.18 | stqism | Nope! |
| 07:54.44 | Slurpee | fcarbogn, did you try no capital characters? |
| 07:56.01 | fcarbogn | I thing I was using indeed all capital letters, is that the problem? |
| 07:56.13 | stqism | Capitals are not allowed |
| 07:58.53 | fcarbogn | OK, but I don not see now how to change the org id without redoing another submission so I guess I live it as it is |
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| 08:34.36 | Slurpee | How many mentors can be on one project? |
| 08:35.11 | stqism | Slurpee: It isn't set in stone. |
| 08:35.24 | Slurpee | 3 people really want to mentor it. If 2 is the limit...guess I can leave one of the names out? |
| 08:35.40 | hornig | ahoi, I just filled out the application form (profile and questionaire) for our org, including naming the and admin. is there anything else? I ask just in case I would forget something important :) |
| 08:35.43 | Slurpee | student is encouraged to seek support for the entire community, right? |
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| 08:38.55 | Slurpee | Are gci alumni students that are still students allowed to mentor a gsoc project? |
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| 08:43.30 | hornig | anyone? :) |
| 08:43.43 | madrazr | hornig: 278 :) |
| 08:43.54 | madrazr | well 277 :P |
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| 08:44.13 | madrazr | hornig: what's your question? |
| 08:44.24 | madrazr | how can we help you |
| 08:44.25 | madrazr | ? |
| 08:44.34 | hornig | as posted before "ahoi, I just filled out the application form (profile and questionaire) for our org, including naming the and admin. is there anything else? I ask just in case I would forget something important :)" |
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| 08:57.42 | hornig | no answer again? |
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| 09:05.50 | VarunAgw | hornig, Is your idea page created? |
| 09:06.14 | hornig | yep |
| 09:07.27 | VarunAgw | hornig, Then, I guess everything is done. You can confirm it from program administrators which are generally active on IRC after 12 hours from now |
| 09:07.36 | Slurpee | Are any other orgs still getting last minute idea submissions? Drupal's idea submission deadline was Wednesday and they're still coming in... |
| 09:08.08 | VarunAgw | You can also get feedback on your idea pages if you like then |
| 09:09.02 | hornig | kay, I just submitted the profile and questionaire and both are saved, the ideas page is on, we have a and admin, and I also did a small general news about gsoc on our page :) |
| 09:09.17 | hornig | so if that's it, I will be relaxed |
| 09:11.24 | VarunAgw | hornig, we have a and admin? |
| 09:11.59 | hornig | second, it should have been! :D |
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| 09:17.55 | stqiesm | Hello |
| 09:18.18 | stq1sm | stqiesm: :P |
| 09:18.40 | stq1sm | Sorry bout that, someone on #bitcoin-otc tried to fake my name to scam people |
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| 09:22.33 | VictorJ | Good morning, if I see my orgs application under 'my dashboard -> managed organizations' does it mean I've succesfully sent in the application? |
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| 09:52.15 | hornig | VictorJ, asfar as I know yes, as long as you also linked to your ideas page |
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| 09:55.31 | VictorJ | hornig, good, thanks. Ya, filled in everything, including a link to the ideas page. Wish I had gotten a message like 'you're all set'! |
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| 09:57.19 | hornig | yep, m too |
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| 11:11.22 | kenil | Hello! |
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| 11:12.05 | kenil | Hello! |
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| 11:18.24 | vultraz | Ooover, the misty mountains cold, through dungeons deep, and conference rooms cold. The wind was blowing in the heights, deadline approaches, soon tonight |
| 11:19.16 | vultraz | We yearn to see, on break of day, which orgs accepted, which have nottt |
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| 11:28.12 | VaticanCameos | vultraz: On what criteria does an org fail? |
| 11:29.03 | vultraz | No expert, but I would assume if their proposed tasks do not meet expectations |
| 11:29.11 | vultraz | (among other reasons) |
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| 11:29.23 | ignacio|here | Good morning guys |
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| 11:35.55 | ignacio|here | hehe |
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| 13:14.41 | edsiper | !next |
| 13:14.42 | gsocbot | edsiper: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
| 13:14.47 | edsiper | woooho |
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| 13:21.33 | Funkys | what are 'thank you gifts'? |
| 13:22.24 | kblin | context? |
| 13:22.56 | Funkys | it is mentioned if you translate a gsoc flyer |
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| 13:23.28 | kamdjou | Please I whish to know the version controls that many organizations use |
| 13:24.13 | kblin | Funkys: in an itemisation or a full sentence? :) |
| 13:24.38 | kblin | kamdjou: how long is a piece of string? |
| 13:25.04 | Funkys | it can be found here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/pulug/bckP149C7JA/T6RMch2KOTgJ :) |
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| 13:28.15 | kblin | ah, I assume some GSoC branded stickers, pens and the like |
| 13:28.31 | kblin | though I got a GSoC banner at some point |
| 13:28.54 | kblin | wonder where I put that, that totally needs to be hung up at my new office |
| 13:29.17 | Funkys | ah! thank you kblin |
| 13:29.27 | kblin | not for translating a flyer, though. : |
| 13:29.30 | kblin | :) |
| 13:30.02 | kblin | basically, I'd assume the thank you gifts would be something gsoc-related that is small enough to easily mail all across the world |
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| 14:01.20 | Slurpee | Can an alumni GCI student still in high school co-mentor a GSoC project? |
| 14:02.38 | Slurpee | GCI student by far exceeded even their own expectations on how skilled they are. Student would apply to be GSoC student and could easily accomplish project, but is still in high school. |
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| 14:05.30 | gevaerts | Slurpee: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#6._What_are_the_eligibility_requirements should answer that |
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| 14:05.49 | Slurpee | gevaerts, thanks |
| 14:05.53 | gevaerts | Well, not entirely of course :) |
| 14:05.57 | Slurpee | right... |
| 14:06.02 | Slurpee | gevaerts, good looking out ;) |
| 14:06.07 | gevaerts | You did say "co-mentor" |
| 14:06.11 | cpg | hi, on the Dashboard > Questionnaire tab, we filled the details and clicked on Submit |
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| 14:06.35 | cpg | it seems to have taken it, however, not much else seems to happen |
| 14:06.46 | gevaerts | Slurpee: I'd say yes, but depending on age, they may not be able to be registered on melange as a mentor |
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| 14:07.09 | cpg | is that normal? |
| 14:07.22 | cpg | no email, no confirmation ... |
| 14:07.30 | gevaerts | cpg: I *think* it |
| 14:07.34 | gevaerts | 's normal |
| 14:07.55 | Slurpee | gevaerts, that is a shame. WE thought it would be fun for a gci student to mentor. Student is elite and disappointed. |
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| 14:08.22 | gevaerts | Slurpee: the 18 requirement there is fairly new, so go back a few years and try again :) |
| 14:08.31 | Slurpee | ouch |
| 14:08.56 | cpg | gevaerts: thanks. there is nothing i Important Documents http://dl.dropbox.com/u/364883/Screenshots/nq7l.png |
| 14:09.08 | cpg | i was thinking perhaps the application might show up there |
| 14:09.39 | gevaerts | cpg: no idea, really. I'm not an org admin, so I haven't actually seen this. Maybe someone else can provide hints on how to be sure |
| 14:10.10 | gevaerts | The lack of clear confirmation seems to be one of the more common complaints this year though |
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| 15:04.02 | lispmob | Hi |
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| 15:05.07 | lispmob | I´ve submitted the profile as well as the questionnaire (Questionnaire submitted on XXX), I am done? |
| 15:05.49 | Cervator | lispmob: yep, so long as your ideas page is in good shape :-) |
| 15:06.10 | lispmob | so I should not expect a confirmation email, right? |
| 15:06.18 | Cervator | correct |
| 15:06.30 | lispmob | Cervator: thanks! |
| 15:06.38 | Cervator | np :-) |
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| 15:15.46 | dims_ | Cervator, "Questionnaire Submitted On" field still has old timestamp. is that ok? (i updated both profile and questionnaire) |
| 15:17.00 | Cervator | i would think so, since "submitted on" sounds like it would only refer to the first time you submitted it :-) |
| 15:17.24 | dims_ | Cervator, don't want leave anything to chance :) |
| 15:17.43 | dims_ | thanks |
| 15:17.43 | Cervator | i'm not official staff or anything though, so you might want to re-edit to see if your changes are there if you're nervous :-) |
| 15:17.50 | pancake | im stuck in the subscribe form |
| 15:18.00 | pancake | Backup administrator* thing doesnt works |
| 15:18.08 | Cervator | pancake: try all lower case |
| 15:18.43 | pancake | yep. its all lowercase, i tried with 2 different guys |
| 15:18.58 | pancake | it says "No profile exists for username xxx" |
| 15:19.42 | pancake | i tried with username and mail address, but thats not working |
| 15:20.37 | VictorJ | pancake, I saw the same when the user did not great a profile specifically for the 2014 edition |
| 15:20.53 | Cervator | yeah it should just be plain lowercase username, nothing else - maybe they didn't fully create their profile ? i think you can log in (step 1) without necessarily noticing the profile setup (step 2) |
| 15:21.04 | Cervator | and that too, if they have an account from prior years that's not good enough |
| 15:22.44 | pancake | ok worked now |
| 15:23.14 | Cervator | yay, magic :) |
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| 15:25.12 | tlsa | hi, I'm doing the NetSurf project organization application. I'm not sure where to add the mentors usernames |
| 15:25.36 | Cervator | nowhere just yet, you just need a single backup administrator so far |
| 15:25.42 | tlsa | ah, OK thanks |
| 15:26.23 | tlsa | should I mention their names in the mentor questionnaire question? |
| 15:26.46 | Cervator | i just put in the rough number we have |
| 15:26.53 | Cervator | i don't think names would matter yet |
| 15:26.57 | tlsa | ok |
| 15:27.29 | tlsa | and the application is complete once the questionnaire is filled in? There's no final submission? |
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| 15:31.21 | Cervator | correct :-) |
| 15:31.31 | tlsa | ok, cool, thanks. :) |
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| 15:38.37 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2014 mentoring organization applications are now open. The deadline is 14 February at 19:00 UTC. Please check out our timeline for more info: goo.gl/Anraxm |
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| 15:41.57 | cosenal | Cervator: the date there is the one of the first submission, not the last, right? |
| 15:42.55 | Cervator | i believe so, yes |
| 15:44.45 | dberkholz | Calchan: our org app's submitted |
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| 15:53.42 | pancake | after filing profile and questionary form, is the registration done? |
| 15:53.57 | stqism | Yup! |
| 15:53.59 | Cervator | yep, as long as your idea page is also in good shape |
| 15:54.28 | pancake | it's almost done |
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| 16:05.24 | maedhros777 | Hey everyone, I was just wondering what we should be doing now (before the list of accepted organizations is released) for GSOC -- I'm interested in a couple orgs from last year, would it be good to just look at their code and work on developing a little? |
| 16:05.44 | Cervator | yep :-) |
| 16:06.55 | maedhros777 | Cool, thanks. They have ideas lists as well, would it make sense to start working on a proposal with potential mentors now or should I wait until the orgs list is released? |
| 16:07.40 | Cervator | not sure there, certainly start working with them on something if you like though |
| 16:07.59 | maedhros777 | Ok thanks :D |
| 16:08.01 | Cervator | might want to just fix smaller bugs to be able to commit some code :-) |
| 16:08.10 | maedhros777 | Yeah that sounds good |
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| 16:10.11 | stqism | 2 hours and 50 minutes left.... |
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| 16:14.01 | Niharika | Hello everyone! |
| 16:14.10 | edsiper | !next |
| 16:14.12 | gsocbot | edsiper: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
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| 16:25.04 | jvoisin | How can I check that I did everything necessary to get my organization registered ? |
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| 16:25.37 | bytee | Hi, after you submit the organisation questionnaire, and click Submit, you just see the questionnaire reloading with the information filled out. does that mean things are ok and submitted ? |
| 16:26.59 | stqism | It was submit, but double check in another ran. |
| 16:27.01 | stqism | Tab |
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| 16:27.31 | umccullough | ah yes, the last 30 mins? |
| 16:27.45 | bytee | stqism: heh, ok |
| 16:27.47 | umccullough | expects this place to light on fire |
| 16:29.18 | stqism | 2 and a half hours |
| 16:29.20 | umccullough | mm... no i think i'm still a couple hours off |
| 16:29.22 | umccullough | yeah |
| 16:29.42 | stqism | Give it 2 hours. |
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| 16:32.59 | MatthewWilkes | more importantly, 10 days of crossing our fingers |
| 16:33.54 | umccullough | heh, still have some mentors adding ideas to our page :P |
| 16:34.08 | carols | MatthewWilkes: well, at least you can rest easy knowing your ideas page is publicly accessible. |
| 16:34.20 | umccullough | i guess it doesn't matter how early you tell them...they all procrastinate ;) |
| 16:34.33 | meflin | he still has time to change that :D |
| 16:34.38 | Cervator1 | heya carols :-) ready for the onslaught of last minute review requests? ;-) |
| 16:34.44 | carols | Cervator1: sure |
| 16:34.48 | umccullough | time for DDoS attacks against idea pages? |
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| 16:35.00 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Yep, I just double checked it |
| 16:35.05 | stqism | umccullough: You need a backup :P |
| 16:35.09 | carols | MatthewWilkes: so at least you know that's settled. |
| 16:35.12 | MatthewWilkes | umccullough: cloudflare. |
| 16:35.13 | Cervator1 | hehe "My ideas page isn't ready because it got DDOSed can we has extension plz" :D |
| 16:35.17 | umccullough | heh |
| 16:35.27 | stqism | :P nice one |
| 16:35.44 | umccullough | "the NSA ate our ideas page..." |
| 16:35.53 | stqism | carols: Ready for the influx of signups 2 hours from now? |
| 16:35.57 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I hope the number of applications is looking a bit more healthy! |
| 16:36.02 | carols | stqism: sure, it's not my software :-) |
| 16:36.08 | carols | i don't really care |
| 16:36.14 | stqism | Hey, good point |
| 16:36.25 | carols | MatthewWilkes: you know how we were at 219 this time yesterday? |
| 16:36.31 | umccullough | ready for the: "I clicked submit and it didn't do anything!!!1" complaints? |
| 16:36.32 | carols | we're at 333 right now |
| 16:36.35 | carols | isn't that crazy? |
| 16:36.35 | MatthewWilkes | heh :) |
| 16:36.48 | Cervator1 | haha, nice |
| 16:36.52 | carols | all those people were waiting in the wings until the last 24 hours to submit |
| 16:36.55 | stqism | umccullough: We've had like 5 so far in the hour. |
| 16:37.02 | umccullough | yeah |
| 16:37.07 | meflin | some ppl just cant put off procrastination |
| 16:37.22 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I guess a lot of people got bitten by the fact you need two admin profiles before you can submit |
| 16:37.23 | stqism | Better cutting it close than late. |
| 16:37.31 | carols | MatthewWilkes: really? that's absurd |
| 16:37.32 | MatthewWilkes | I know that delayed us by a couple of days |
| 16:37.35 | carols | because..you know... |
| 16:37.37 | carols | its required! |
| 16:37.46 | stqism | The 2 admin thing really isn't a proble |
| 16:37.57 | stqism | Problem with you signed up 2 weeks earlier. |
| 16:38.14 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Sure, but it means you need to get your backup admin to go on and set up a profile. With timezones that's easily a fair delay. |
| 16:38.58 | carols | MatthewWilkes: right, and 2 weeks surely isn't enough time to do that. |
| 16:39.02 | carols | you surely need more than that :-P |
| 16:39.37 | umccullough | carols, maybe people were afraid to submit it early because they didn't know they could edit it? |
| 16:39.48 | umccullough | and wanted to keep updating it until the last minute offline |
| 16:39.51 | carols | umccullough: even though it says it on the first page you visit of the application? |
| 16:39.56 | MatthewWilkes | carols: hah, no, I'm just saying it's probably a contributing factor. Especially for new orgs that don't already have people lined up. |
| 16:39.58 | umccullough | people never read ;) |
| 16:40.15 | Cervator1 | why can't we make it read! /southpark |
| 16:40.16 | carols | umccullough: that would be...their problem, not mine :-) |
| 16:40.25 | carols | you both are too nice to slackers |
| 16:40.28 | carols | toughen up :-) |
| 16:40.37 | jvoisin | How can I check that I did everything necessary to get my organization registered ? |
| 16:40.38 | umccullough | hey |
| 16:40.41 | umccullough | i'm a slacker! |
| 16:40.45 | umccullough | sometimes |
| 16:40.51 | carols | jvoisin: what do you need to check? |
| 16:41.10 | jvoisin | If I did everything right :) |
| 16:41.13 | umccullough | jvoisin, submit app, make sure ideas page is online and browsable |
| 16:41.20 | umccullough | done :) |
| 16:41.21 | jvoisin | That's it ? |
| 16:41.25 | carols | what umccullough said |
| 16:41.25 | stqism | Yuo |
| 16:41.29 | jvoisin | I was expecting some kind of confirmation |
| 16:41.31 | MatthewWilkes | It's harder than it sounds |
| 16:41.35 | stqism | None at all |
| 16:41.39 | jvoisin | like a friendly popup "Well done!" |
| 16:41.50 | carols | jvoisin: you're more than welcome to talk to the #melange folks about that |
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| 16:42.06 | jvoisin | join #melange |
| 16:42.08 | jvoisin | meh. |
| 16:42.13 | jvoisin | carols: ok |
| 16:42.23 | carols | cheers :-) |
| 16:42.50 | jvoisin | Thank you :) |
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| 16:45.45 | Cervator1 | carols: you saw this page yesterday, polish is all done now - can you think of anything it still lacks? https://github.com/MovingBlocks/Terasology/wiki/GSOC |
| 16:47.11 | Cervator1 | i still wish GitHub wiki had a TOC macro, but alas :-) is missing that a big drawback? |
| 16:47.59 | carols | Cervator1: nope, looks good to me, no further comments :-) |
| 16:48.11 | Cervator1 | excellent, thanks :-) |
| 16:49.02 | carols | yw |
| 16:50.15 | d3r1ck | hello carols |
| 16:50.19 | carols | hi d3r1ck |
| 16:50.27 | d3r1ck | soem few hours left right? |
| 16:50.32 | d3r1ck | *some |
| 16:50.32 | carols | just about 2 |
| 16:50.39 | d3r1ck | yes that is it |
| 16:50.55 | d3r1ck | so carols, which organisation will you work with? |
| 16:51.05 | carols | d3r1ck: i don't understand what you mean? |
| 16:51.08 | Niharika | :-D |
| 16:51.10 | carols | we work with about 190 orgs... |
| 16:51.34 | d3r1ck | i mean will you participate for an open source organisation in gsoc 2014? |
| 16:51.38 | Niharika | d3r1ck: She's the program organizer. |
| 16:51.56 | d3r1ck | wow, i am sorry carols and thanks Niharika |
| 16:52.05 | carols | no need to apologize. |
| 16:52.22 | d3r1ck | heh wait a minute, is this the carol that makes some videos about GSOC? |
| 16:52.43 | d3r1ck | teaching people about it? |
| 16:52.47 | carols | d3r1ck: one and the same. |
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| 16:53.00 | carols | and yet. people still don't understand how the program works. |
| 16:53.03 | carols | and it saddens me. |
| 16:53.05 | carols | everyday. |
| 16:53.09 | d3r1ck | wow Greetings Mam carols |
| 16:53.18 | carols | hi :-) |
| 16:53.23 | carols | still the same person over here :-) |
| 16:53.27 | d3r1ck | please i am sorry for the last minute |
| 16:53.34 | stqism | Wait, Mam? You mean ma'am? |
| 16:53.36 | carols | last minute what? |
| 16:53.54 | d3r1ck | i never knew i was talking to you |
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| 16:54.06 | d3r1ck | it is just now that it came accross my mind |
| 16:54.10 | carols | it doesn't matter, i'm still the same person, this is still just an IRC channel. |
| 16:54.17 | carols | let's move on |
| 16:54.34 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 16:54.35 | d3r1ck | ok so like how many organisations have submitted this year? |
| 16:54.40 | carols | so far? |
| 16:54.44 | carols | we're at 339 right now. |
| 16:55.23 | downey | carols: last minute rush! |
| 16:55.31 | downey | !next |
| 16:55.32 | carols | downey: over 100 in less than 24 hours! |
| 16:55.32 | gsocbot | downey: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
| 16:55.32 | olasd | carols: "the same person", right, as if you didn't have a few clones here and there to do all the work you do ;-) |
| 16:55.40 | d3r1ck | is GNU GCC there? |
| 16:55.41 | carols | olasd: right :-) |
| 16:55.48 | carols | d3r1ck: we don't release that information. |
| 16:55.56 | carols | d3r1ck: have you asked them if they applied? |
| 16:56.00 | d3r1ck | ohhhhh, please i am sorry |
| 16:56.01 | downey | d3r1ck: you'll have to wait until the announcements come out :) |
| 16:56.10 | d3r1ck | that is true downey |
| 16:56.12 | umccullough | or, just ask them ;) |
| 16:56.17 | d3r1ck | i understand |
| 16:56.18 | carols | what umccullough said |
| 16:56.28 | d3r1ck | yes |
| 16:56.29 | stqism | d3r1ck: You meant the FSF, right? |
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| 16:56.43 | umccullough | i assume FSF participates as an umbrella for many projects |
| 16:56.47 | umccullough | historically |
| 16:56.48 | d3r1ck | what is the FSF stqism ? |
| 16:56.56 | umccullough | free software foundation |
| 16:57.01 | d3r1ck | wow |
| 16:57.06 | stqism | d3r1ck: They make gcc |
| 16:57.07 | downey | d3r1ck: If a project has submitted an application, they most likely have a GSoC ideas page in progress that you may be able to find by using your favourite search engine :) |
| 16:57.29 | d3r1ck | ok |
| 16:57.32 | umccullough | unless they forgot to publish it :D |
| 16:57.47 | d3r1ck | so is downey a GSOC executive like carols ? |
| 16:57.53 | downey | ha |
| 16:57.56 | downey | d3r1ck: no |
| 16:58.00 | d3r1ck | ok |
| 16:58.08 | d3r1ck | and stqism ? |
| 16:58.21 | downey | although i may count as an "old timer" by now |
| 16:59.09 | d3r1ck | wow is cool downey . |
| 16:59.22 | d3r1ck | so carols, any advice for me? |
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| 16:59.37 | stqism | I don't think GSoC has any executives, rather carols is part of Googles open source programs office, along with some others. |
| 16:59.52 | d3r1ck | ok stqism |
| 17:00.05 | stqism | d3r1ck: Also, nope. |
| 17:00.17 | summatusmentis | d3r1ck: if you want advice about how to get accepted/be successful, talk to the org you want to work with |
| 17:00.20 | d3r1ck | so carols is member of the Googles open source program office |
| 17:00.22 | umccullough | she also serves tea and coffee |
| 17:00.25 | summatusmentis | they'll be the most effective people to help |
| 17:00.39 | stqism | Something like that, she's also in charge of gsoc |
| 17:00.42 | d3r1ck | yes i know summatusmentis |
| 17:00.43 | summatusmentis | (which isn't to say carols won't, but she's not the one who decides if you get in) |
| 17:00.44 | summatusmentis | ok |
| 17:00.48 | summatusmentis | just making sure |
| 17:01.24 | d3r1ck | summatusmentis: i mean like any orientation on how this gsoc works |
| 17:01.33 | d3r1ck | i have read the articles and FAQs |
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| 17:01.48 | d3r1ck | but i just need another advice. carols what do you think |
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| 17:02.14 | umccullough | you want to be a student? have you found an org you'd like to work with? |
| 17:02.17 | stqism | So you're a student? Wait till the projects are published, find so |
| 17:02.25 | stqism | Something you like, and reach out. |
| 17:03.39 | d3r1ck | yes umccullough |
| 17:03.52 | d3r1ck | i will like to work with gcc and tux4kids as well |
| 17:04.26 | d3r1ck | because i am a C programmer and i will like to help them in their open source projects(problems) |
| 17:05.25 | umccullough | i would recommend contacting both of the orgs, verifying whether they have applied for GSoC, and then start getting involved now :) |
| 17:05.40 | stqism | Yeah, make sure they are planning on participating first |
| 17:05.42 | umccullough | once the list of orgs that is accepted is announced, you'll know whether they are participating this year |
| 17:05.50 | umccullough | but you can always ask them |
| 17:06.30 | d3r1ck | can i do that on their maling list? |
| 17:06.36 | d3r1ck | or what ? |
| 17:06.36 | umccullough | keep in mind, GSoC is largely about students working with orgs - Google doesn't directly facilitate the communication for you :) |
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| 17:06.40 | umccullough | sure |
| 17:06.48 | umccullough | or their IRC channels, etc. |
| 17:07.20 | d3r1ck | ok umccullough |
| 17:07.34 | d3r1ck | i guest carols has a lot of work to do? |
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| 17:07.58 | umccullough | i'm sure she will shortly, if she doesn't already :D |
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| 17:08.05 | carols | d3r1ck: was there a question? |
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| 17:09.02 | d3r1ck | well just saying that there is alot to do now carols |
| 17:09.12 | carols | indeed. |
| 17:09.26 | d3r1ck | take it easy carols |
| 17:09.32 | carols | sure thanks |
| 17:09.36 | d3r1ck | by the way carols, are you a programmer? |
| 17:09.39 | carols | nope |
| 17:10.04 | d3r1ck | but i know you are good in Technology right? |
| 17:10.16 | carols | d3r1ck: nope, i'm pretty poor at it |
| 17:11.11 | d3r1ck | don't tell me that. |
| 17:11.16 | carols | okay sure |
| 17:11.21 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 17:11.26 | meflin | mm tea |
| 17:11.27 | umccullough | lol |
| 17:11.34 | meflin | dont underestimate the tea |
| 17:11.46 | d3r1ck | wow, can't wait to get a drink of you tea. |
| 17:12.00 | d3r1ck | so where are you now. Is it in USA? |
| 17:12.23 | carols | d3r1ck: i would really prefer this channel got back on the topic of gsoc |
| 17:12.26 | carols | thanks. |
| 17:12.52 | d3r1ck | yes carols, sorry about the diversion. |
| 17:13.03 | Niharika_away | !numapps |
| 17:13.04 | gsocbot | Niharika_away: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message) |
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| 17:13.18 | d3r1ck | so student application will begin on the 10th of March right? |
| 17:13.42 | Niharika_away | d3r1ck: Yes. |
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| 17:14.00 | d3r1ck | so carols a proposal is like an algorithm to the organisation? |
| 17:14.11 | carols | d3r1ck: have you read the student manual? |
| 17:14.16 | d3r1ck | yes |
| 17:14.22 | d3r1ck | sorry that is not the question |
| 17:14.23 | umccullough | http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 17:14.33 | carols | great, then you should know everything you need to know about proposals |
| 17:14.49 | d3r1ck | yes i know |
| 17:15.12 | d3r1ck | i wanted to ask something else |
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| 17:15.23 | stqism | Yes? |
| 17:16.18 | fgregg_ | hi all, I can't seem to add derekeder as the backup administrator in the "create oganization profile" |
| 17:16.30 | carols | fgregg_: excellent topic for #melange |
| 17:16.31 | umccullough | fgregg_, probably best to ask in #melange |
| 17:16.33 | d3r1ck | so carols gsoc is really about helping young developers into open source right? |
| 17:16.43 | carols | d3r1ck: this is answered on the FAQs. |
| 17:16.46 | fgregg_ | carols: thanks, will do |
| 17:16.47 | d3r1ck | yes |
| 17:17.04 | d3r1ck | so what is the essence of the travelling to the Google HQ? |
| 17:17.16 | carols | d3r1ck: that's answered on the FAQs as well. |
| 17:17.28 | d3r1ck | wow, but i didn't see it |
| 17:17.38 | d3r1ck | or are my not reading hard enough? |
| 17:17.57 | carols | d3r1ck: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#4._Where_does_development_occur |
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| 17:20.03 | d3r1ck | carols: which means traveling is at the level of the organisation. |
| 17:20.14 | carols | d3r1ck: i don't know anything about travel. |
| 17:20.21 | carols | you talk to the org about that. |
| 17:20.24 | d3r1ck | that is true carols. |
| 17:20.32 | d3r1ck | i beleive you. |
| 17:21.23 | d3r1ck | so carols is it possible for me to know the criterion that Google uses to choose mentoring organisations |
| 17:21.26 | d3r1ck | ? |
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| 17:22.47 | stqism | d3r1ck: it's based on the application |
| 17:22.48 | carols | d3r1ck: it's based on a lot of things, as all decisions like this are. |
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| 17:23.59 | meflin | app+ideas+interpretation |
| 17:24.31 | umccullough | it's also based on a limit of how many orgs can be accepted :( |
| 17:24.39 | meflin | now if someone could just code that there would be more time for tea |
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| 17:24.52 | hiddenpearls | carols: can we edit our ideas page before 17th feb ? |
| 17:25.17 | hiddenpearls | I think thats the day when our applications will be reviewed ? |
| 17:25.25 | carols | hiddenpearls: sure. just be aware that the committee's decision on accepting or rejecting you is based on your ideas page as it stands today. |
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| 17:26.08 | carols | we start review in less 2.5 hours |
| 17:26.12 | carols | *less than |
| 17:26.17 | hiddenpearls | oh really |
| 17:26.21 | carols | yes really |
| 17:26.26 | narendraj9 | !next |
| 17:26.26 | hiddenpearls | Ok :) |
| 17:26.27 | gsocbot | narendraj9: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
| 17:26.33 | carols | you've have since october to make your ideas page |
| 17:26.37 | stqism | More like an hour and a half..... |
| 17:26.51 | carols | what stqism said |
| 17:26.51 | stqism | That deadline is pretty close. |
| 17:27.04 | hiddenpearls | Thanks |
| 17:27.07 | carols | yw |
| 17:27.15 | meflin | well a tea break is required after the post close whining and starting to review |
| 17:27.27 | carols | i completely agree, meflin |
| 17:27.48 | stqism | But who else is going to tell people that they missed the deadline? |
| 17:27.50 | meflin | we should start a pool on how many ask for extensions today |
| 17:27.54 | umccullough | it does say the review starts on the 17th in the timeline, so maybe next year clarify that the review starts immediately on the deadline ;) |
| 17:27.56 | meflin | I go with 12 |
| 17:28.13 | carols | umccullough: sure, ill make a note of it for next yer |
| 17:28.15 | carols | year |
| 17:28.22 | carols | meflin: i'm pessimistic. i say 20. |
| 17:28.30 | DaSpirit | Is the 24th still the announcement date? |
| 17:28.36 | DaSpirit | For accepted projects? |
| 17:28.39 | meflin | my betting strategy is to go low :) |
| 17:28.39 | DaSpirit | orgs* |
| 17:28.44 | carols | DaSpirit: what's listed on the timeline? |
| 17:28.51 | DaSpirit | The 24th. |
| 17:28.53 | carols | do you think we've changed it? |
| 17:28.55 | stqism | meflin: Put me down for 10, I'll throw you a Tox sticker if you beat me |
| 17:29.04 | DaSpirit | You guys seemed to have changed the review date. |
| 17:29.29 | carols | DaSpirit: right. |
| 17:30.55 | gevaerts | The review date shouldn't be important |
| 17:31.07 | edsiper | just do a little smile |
| 17:31.23 | DaSpirit | Review date is important to me :/ |
| 17:31.42 | DaSpirit | My org founder is traveling. |
| 17:31.50 | gevaerts | If you pretend that the review starts on the 17th, based on applications as they stand at the application deadline, there's no conflict at all |
| 17:32.02 | stqism | Next year we should throw in a Markov chain to answer questions. |
| 17:32.02 | carols | you've had since october to put together your ideas page and application... |
| 17:32.05 | meflin | always assume your app/ideas are frozen in time at the submission deadline and you will be fine |
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| 17:32.17 | DaSpirit | I found out about this 2 days ago. |
| 17:32.19 | gevaerts | And that's *exactly* equivalent with the reviews starting in a few hours |
| 17:32.30 | DaSpirit | I didn't have until October :p |
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| 17:32.52 | meflin | multiple public announcements |
| 17:33.35 | carols | meflin: i'm upping my guess. now i'm thinking 30. |
| 17:33.50 | gevaerts | Will there be gsocks for guessing this right too? |
| 17:33.57 | stqism | DaSpirit: I finished mine on the 2nd day it opened :P I heard about it from a student contributor that very day. |
| 17:34.00 | carols | gevaerts: sure :-) |
| 17:34.11 | gevaerts | 27 |
| 17:34.34 | gevaerts | isn't sure why he wants gsocks, really :) |
| 17:34.44 | DaSpirit | stqism: I'm mostly finished, it's just the org founder hasn't reviewed the ideas page that me and the rest of the team put together. |
| 17:34.45 | carols | gevaerts: they're warm! |
| 17:35.00 | umccullough | shoots for 31 price-is-right style |
| 17:35.35 | stqism | DaSpirit: People have different situations, it happens |
| 17:35.46 | meflin | gevaerts: because the are Gsocks :D |
| 17:36.33 | umccullough | DaSpirit, at least you still have time to modify it before students review it |
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| 17:38.46 | d3r1ck | heh meflin, greeting. |
| 17:39.41 | d3r1ck | please can you tell me the organisation you are with? |
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| 17:40.35 | meflin | Python and syncdifferent |
| 17:41.34 | d3r1ck | wow, but that is the programming language i am just begginning with |
| 17:41.47 | d3r1ck | so i meflin i will work with you next year. |
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| 17:42.07 | meflin | cool |
| 17:42.18 | stqism | d3r1ck: Actually, his org has to choose you from its limited student pool :P |
| 17:42.33 | stqism | d3r1ck: So you might want to get to know them earlier :) |
| 17:42.57 | d3r1ck | that is true stqism |
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| 17:43.34 | d3r1ck | but if by the 10th of march i am in a level in python, then i will work with meflin |
| 17:44.00 | d3r1ck | if especially i see a problem that i can solve. Not so meflin ? |
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| 17:44.07 | stqism | Well, meflin will have to choose you. |
| 17:44.21 | gevaerts | There's more than pure technical ability, of course |
| 17:44.26 | d3r1ck | yes meflin will do that. |
| 17:44.39 | meflin | the sub-orgs do the bulk of the choosing |
| 17:47.11 | d3r1ck | ok meflin. but do you choose as well? |
| 17:47.43 | meflin | mostly I fill out paperwork |
| 17:48.07 | gevaerts | meflin: you're forgetting the drinking tea and eating chocolate bits |
| 17:48.37 | stqism | gevaerts: I reckon we'd have a lot of dishes |
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| 17:49.17 | d3r1ck | wow, that means you deal with alot of papers. |
| 17:49.51 | stqism | d3r1ck: That's the job of administration. someone has to do it, fun or not. |
| 17:49.58 | meflin | stqism: that is what mentors/minions are for ;) |
| 17:50.23 | stqism | meflin: I'm not asking for a student to fill out a w9 ;) |
| 17:50.41 | d3r1ck | well that is the truth stqism ? |
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| 17:50.49 | d3r1ck | well i think it is a good one too. |
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| 17:54.27 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 17:54.45 | jgabriel | hey guys, I want to submit an organization to gsoc 2014, IRC channel is mandatory, or only the meiling lilst is fine? |
| 17:54.58 | anth_x | carols: i'm out over here. there are beans in the grinder, but only about 1/3 of what i'd need for a cup. taunting me. |
| 17:55.02 | bePolite | carols: Please for a cup or a seep |
| 17:55.03 | carols | jgabriel: whatever your org uses to communicate with its community. |
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| 17:55.14 | carols | anth_x: that's a sad story :-( |
| 17:55.21 | carols | bePolite: help yourself :-) |
| 17:55.24 | d3r1ck | bePolite: how can you drink tea on the internet? |
| 17:55.34 | jgabriel | ok. thank you very much! |
| 17:55.40 | carols | jgabriel: yw |
| 17:55.41 | stqism | d3r1ck: Magic |
| 17:55.42 | Slurpee | 1 hour left? |
| 17:55.45 | d3r1ck | bePolite: are you talking about e-tea? |
| 17:55.46 | meflin | ToverIP |
| 17:55.47 | stqism | Yes |
| 17:55.56 | meflin | you isp suports that right? |
| 17:55.57 | stqism | d3r1ck: Just magic. |
| 17:56.02 | carols | Slurpee: more like 1 hour until this irc channel lights up with requests for deadline extensions. |
| 17:56.10 | stqism | Oh god |
| 17:56.15 | d3r1ck | stqism: maybe bePolite has written a program to do that. one never knows. |
| 17:56.15 | Slurpee | lol |
| 17:56.45 | stqism | d3r1ck: No, no, gsoc invented magical tea |
| 17:57.00 | d3r1ck | hahaha stqism, |
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| 17:57.20 | d3r1ck | bePolite: do gsoc and then you can drink carols tea. that is the best i can tell you. |
| 17:57.59 | stqism | d3r1ck: I'll show you, give me a second |
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| 17:58.05 | carols | meflin's tea is pretty darn good too. |
| 17:58.18 | meflin | its not magic tho |
| 17:58.31 | carols | neither is mine |
| 17:58.33 | carols | it's just peppermint |
| 17:58.36 | stqism | My coffee is. |
| 17:58.38 | meflin | :D |
| 17:58.51 | stqism | I'm currently fetching it from the Internet as we speak. |
| 17:58.57 | ptremberth | carols: meflin in #python-gsoc suggested we get our Scrapy ideas page reviewed by you. https://github.com/scrapy/scrapy/wiki/GSoC-2014-Ideas . Would you be so kind to give us your thoughts? |
| 17:59.09 | carols | ptremberth: i won't, but i'll tell you why |
| 17:59.15 | carols | it's because it's the last hour before the deadline |
| 17:59.25 | meflin | ah to late oops lost track |
| 17:59.26 | carols | and i can't focus on that right now, i've got about 400 other things i'm doing now |
| 17:59.34 | carols | but i wish you luck! |
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| 18:00.02 | ptremberth | I understand carols :) |
| 18:00.06 | carols | thank you :-) |
| 18:00.48 | gevaerts | Actually, I think you set right now as a deadline for that yesterday :) |
| 18:00.56 | carols | gevaerts: indeed i did. |
| 18:01.09 | carols | i've been in this channel talking to myself for 3 months though :-) |
| 18:01.15 | meflin | I lost track of time |
| 18:01.28 | carols | meflin: i didn't. |
| 18:01.29 | stqism | d3r1ck: See? Magic http://imgur.com/gGaSyRb |
| 18:01.37 | gevaerts | carols: at least you have someone interesting to talk to :) |
| 18:01.44 | carols | gevaerts: lol |
| 18:02.10 | carols | ptremberth: the community can still let you know if they see anything that other people have changed |
| 18:02.20 | carols | but i just have to....actually do my job right now |
| 18:02.36 | bePolite | carols: I've been brainstorming but it seems I can't help myself |
| 18:02.41 | stqism | carols: I'm rather curious as to what you do outside of gsoc and gci |
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| 18:02.48 | ptremberth | carols: sure. meflin has already been very helpful |
| 18:02.59 | carols | ptremberth: wonderful |
| 18:03.03 | carols | the beauty of a community |
| 18:03.33 | d3r1ck | stqism: that is cripy. |
| 18:03.40 | d3r1ck | well not bad. |
| 18:03.54 | carols | stqism: attend conferences, speak at conferences, hold events at google for FOSS developers, work on s/r for our programs, work on the project plan and direction for melange, plan our mentor summit, the list goes on. |
| 18:03.59 | stqism | Oh right, judge me on my photography skills :P |
| 18:04.05 | d3r1ck | bePolite: what have you been brainstorming on? |
| 18:04.16 | d3r1ck | stqism: well it is. |
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| 18:04.56 | stqism | carols: You're getting paid to do things I end up having to pay for :( conventions are costly. |
| 18:05.13 | carols | stqism: indeed. |
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| 18:06.17 | umccullough | what's the count up to now out of curiosity? |
| 18:06.27 | umccullough | with one hour to go :) |
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| 18:06.37 | carols | umccullough: 357 |
| 18:06.37 | umccullough | or, is it 2 hours to go... |
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| 18:06.44 | carols | it's 54 minutes |
| 18:06.46 | umccullough | ok |
| 18:06.55 | carols | can you believe that? |
| 18:07.01 | carols | ~140 apps in 24 hours |
| 18:07.02 | umccullough | i think my 546 (or whatever it was) estimate is gonna be a tad high :D |
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| 18:07.16 | stqism | I forgot mine, but it was lower |
| 18:07.19 | bePolite | lol |
| 18:07.23 | stqism | 470 I think. |
| 18:07.32 | bePolite | continues fighting with rails |
| 18:07.34 | umccullough | someone estimated 417 i think |
| 18:07.46 | carols | stqism: i have yours as 470. umccullough: i have you as 546 :-) |
| 18:07.52 | carols | meflin estimated 416 |
| 18:07.55 | umccullough | ah |
| 18:08.08 | unitraxx | only the admin of the org has access to the application, right? |
| 18:08.10 | stqism | carols: My guess of myself was perfect :P |
| 18:08.18 | carols | unitraxx: yes |
| 18:08.23 | carols | stqism: :-) |
| 18:08.25 | stqism | unitraxx: Admin and the backup |
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| 18:09.34 | umccullough | assuming that melange bug was fixed? |
| 18:09.36 | meflin | still in the lead :D |
| 18:09.48 | edsiper | interesting, so despite when the organization deadline is, you will get a few hundred applications on last day anyways |
| 18:09.59 | gevaerts | 496 forever! |
| 18:10.24 | meflin | not looking good for me tho |
| 18:10.34 | gevaerts | quickly impersonates 100 orgs |
| 18:10.45 | stqism | edsiper: Of course! |
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| 18:11.10 | meflin | I'll write that down in my gsoc notes never underestimate the powers of procrastination |
| 18:11.29 | carols | meflin: i wrote that in my notes the first year i ran this program |
| 18:11.36 | carols | it was overwhelming the procrastination. |
| 18:11.39 | meflin | I'm a slow learner :) |
| 18:11.44 | carols | i'd never seen anything like it. |
| 18:11.46 | DaSpirit | Is the review order the submission order? |
| 18:12.03 | carols | DaSpirit: review order? |
| 18:12.14 | umccullough | he means, do you review them in the order they were submitted |
| 18:12.17 | DaSpirit | Yes. |
| 18:12.19 | carols | oh! |
| 18:12.24 | carols | no, we don't |
| 18:12.29 | gevaerts | I bet that's undefine |
| 18:12.29 | umccullough | i had wondered about that too, but didn't ask :) |
| 18:12.29 | gevaerts | d |
| 18:12.30 | carols | wow, i've never been asked that question before |
| 18:12.31 | DaSpirit | Is it random? |
| 18:12.33 | carols | how refreshing |
| 18:12.39 | carols | DaSpirit: actually, it's alphabetical |
| 18:13.00 | carols | how nice to get a question i've never been asked before |
| 18:13.00 | meflin | I'll rename my org Z! |
| 18:13.06 | DaSpirit | I asked the question to know if there is an advantage. |
| 18:13.11 | stqism | So I SHOULD change my id to aaaaaaatox? |
| 18:13.25 | gevaerts | stqism: depends. Is your ideas list ready? :) |
| 18:13.27 | umccullough | is it an advantage to get reviewed sooner than later though? |
| 18:13.35 | carols | stqism: that doesn't mean we accept starting at "A" and then stop accepting down the list... |
| 18:13.35 | unitraxx | is there an exact number set of how many organizations will be accepted? |
| 18:13.38 | DaSpirit | The last org has a disadvantage, because there would most likely be no more. |
| 18:13.41 | stqism | gevaerts: It was ready a long time ago :p |
| 18:13.41 | DaSpirit | No more room. |
| 18:13.48 | unitraxx | So you will just rank them and select the top x? |
| 18:14.04 | stqism | carols: I know, people become compliant under heavy work |
| 18:14.25 | gevaerts | DaSpirit: you're assuming a single round of reviews |
| 18:14.30 | carols | stqism: well, i should think the fact that we have orgs that have names starting with "x" and "z" should put that to rest. |
| 18:14.49 | stqism | :P |
| 18:14.50 | DaSpirit | :p |
| 18:15.00 | DaSpirit | Are orgs notified on acceptance/rejection as soon as the decision is made? |
| 18:15.04 | stqism | DaSpirit: ;_; |
| 18:15.04 | carols | DaSpirit: no |
| 18:15.16 | stqism | DaSpirit: Wait till the 27th |
| 18:15.29 | umccullough | er.. |
| 18:15.30 | DaSpirit | stqism: ninja'd. |
| 18:15.30 | DaSpirit | That's so long >.< |
| 18:15.40 | umccullough | 24th |
| 18:15.44 | carols | DaSpirit: it's shorter than the students have to wait. |
| 18:15.47 | carols | so there's that. |
| 18:15.58 | unitraxx | yes as student it's quite stressy |
| 18:16.06 | stqism | umccullough: +1 |
| 18:16.10 | DaSpirit | I'm a student. |
| 18:16.25 | DaSpirit | So I have to wait for student announcement and org announcement. |
| 18:16.38 | DaSpirit | btw, I'm not doing this, but are you allowed to be both a student and a mentor? |
| 18:16.45 | DaSpirit | In separate projects? |
| 18:16.51 | unitraxx | DaSpirit: unfortunately no |
| 18:16.54 | gevaerts | For the record, my list of organisations that took part in every gsoc so far has *more* organisations from the second hald of the alphabet :) |
| 18:16.57 | gevaerts | *half |
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| 18:17.36 | umccullough | gevaerts, which doesn't say much depending on the number of submissions from each half of the alphabet :) |
| 18:18.12 | gevaerts | Hmmm, true :) |
| 18:18.15 | carols | DaSpirit: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#10._I_would_like_to_participate_in |
| 18:18.48 | DaSpirit | Meh, got an answer here quicker. |
| 18:19.08 | unitraxx | DaSpirit: You shouldn't reason like that ;) |
| 18:19.19 | umccullough | well, at least the FAQ provides some reason why |
| 18:19.24 | DaSpirit | I'm also not on a computer at the moment. |
| 18:19.33 | DaSpirit | It's not easy for me to check the FAQs. |
| 18:19.36 | DaSpirit | On a mobile device. |
| 18:19.45 | umccullough | IRC via phone? |
| 18:19.48 | unitraxx | Phones are computers. ;) |
| 18:19.50 | DaSpirit | Tablet actually. |
| 18:19.54 | Slurpee | It's the Final Countdown... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcJ-wNmazHQ |
| 18:20.00 | DaSpirit | Very tiny tablet. |
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| 18:20.40 | stqism | 40 minutes left... Dun dun dun |
| 18:22.00 | sttaylor | unitraxx: Google is accepting 10 orbs more than we ever have before this year which means we will accept 190 |
| 18:22.07 | sttaylor | orgs |
| 18:22.11 | DaSpirit | I thought it was 10%. |
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| 18:22.20 | umccullough | 10% more students |
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| 18:23.15 | DaSpirit | Are you google guys able to check how many orgs registered so far? |
| 18:23.40 | umccullough | DaSpirit, carols mentioned it above 357 at least count |
| 18:23.48 | umccullough | *at last count |
| 18:23.57 | DaSpirit | When was the last count? |
| 18:24.09 | umccullough | 15 mins ago? |
| 18:24.35 | DaSpirit | lol oh. |
| 18:25.01 | DaSpirit | That's a low acceptance rate. |
| 18:25.10 | umccullough | those aren't accepted yet :) |
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| 18:25.30 | stqism | Our accepted rate is far under :P |
| 18:25.41 | umccullough | i guess he means: 190 out of 357 is low |
| 18:25.45 | unitraxx | DaSpirit: a 50% acceptance rate seems pretty high |
| 18:25.46 | umccullough | but it's been far worse in the past |
| 18:25.51 | DaSpirit | That's what I meant, yes. |
| 18:25.52 | umccullough | !numapps |
| 18:25.52 | gsocbot | umccullough: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message) |
| 18:25.55 | meflin | way way worse :) |
| 18:26.38 | bkuhn | Cervator, stqism: I read your conversation earlier about the "Questionnaire being the application" and that the confirmation page just being "Questionnaire submitted on" |
| 18:26.45 | bkuhn | That confused me too. |
| 18:27.01 | carols | hi bkuhn! |
| 18:27.01 | stqism | It confused TONS of people :P |
| 18:27.03 | bkuhn | I was thinking of submitting a bug ticket to Melange about that, so it's a bit clearer that you're "done" |
| 18:27.04 | umccullough | the general opinion seems to be that it's confusing and non-intuitive |
| 18:27.07 | carols | it's nice to see you in here |
| 18:27.13 | Cervator | a confirmation would be nice, yes :-) |
| 18:27.29 | unitraxx | Did the time schedule change again because of 2013 having less student applications than 2012? |
| 18:27.30 | umccullough | bkuhn, i think they're well aware of it, but you can always tell them again in #melange |
| 18:27.30 | stqism | We all agree but no one is submitting a bug :( |
| 18:27.34 | bkuhn | carols: It's nice to be here. :) |
| 18:27.57 | carols | unitraxx: no, the time schedule changed because people told me last year was too late. |
| 18:28.04 | carols | but now people are telling me this year is too early. |
| 18:28.10 | bkuhn | umccullough: well, I don't want to annoy them. I was basically asking if someone had opened a ticket. stqism: I admit I don't actually *know* what the preferred way is to report a bug in Melange, that's what I'm asking, basically. |
| 18:28.16 | unitraxx | carols: well you'll only hear the complainers :) |
| 18:28.34 | carols | unitraxx: it's true. but i do try to change the program so people are satisfied with it. |
| 18:28.52 | carols | bkuhn: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 18:28.53 | stqism | carols: Can't satisfy everyone. |
| 18:28.59 | unitraxx | For Europe students it's too early this year, but if you're really motivated it shouldn't be an issue. |
| 18:29.18 | carols | unitraxx: and the student in australia still think the program timeline is all wrong. |
| 18:29.26 | carols | so i'll never make everyone happy. |
| 18:29.27 | bkuhn | Well, from my point of view, Google can set the calendar whenever they want. It's their money :) |
| 18:29.33 | carols | bkuhn: i agree! |
| 18:29.38 | bkuhn | :) |
| 18:29.46 | carols | serves some tea |
| 18:29.48 | meflin | besides we will complain no mater what |
| 18:29.49 | carols | i'll drink to that. |
| 18:29.53 | stqism | bkuhn: Issues exist |
| 18:30.20 | bkuhn | I mean, I was annoyed too that the deadline was so early; I nearly missed it! But, Carol's emails reminded me, and I'm in time with my application. So I had to stay up late last night and write our application while watching curling. Big deal! |
| 18:30.35 | carols | thank you bkuhn. |
| 18:30.57 | carols | apparently, announcing the program in october of the previous year actually makes no difference to the amount of people who complain. |
| 18:30.57 | meflin | wee fresh off the email new sub-org ( geeze ) |
| 18:31.09 | carols | so lesson learned. |
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| 18:31.27 | stqism | carols: I take it you've never worked in guest service? |
| 18:31.33 | stqism | This is the norm |
| 18:31.35 | meflin | well I have been disappointed in the level and quality of the complaining , it used to be better :D |
| 18:31.40 | carols | stqism: actually. i have. |
| 18:31.47 | carols | i was a movie theatre concessionist for two years |
| 18:32.00 | stqism | carols: So you know how people are :P |
| 18:32.06 | carols | stqism: and then i worked in a public school district, so that was a whole separate thing. |
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| 18:32.25 | akshithg | #apache |
| 18:32.45 | stqism | carols: Doesn't sound fun, I worked in security, every half hour was another guest yelling about something they did wrong. |
| 18:33.00 | stqism | Loved every minute of it :P |
| 18:33.11 | carols | stqism: that job is the reason i swore i'd never do customer service again. and now here i am :-) |
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| 18:33.54 | stqism | carols: I really don't blame you :P q |
| 18:34.04 | stqism | Uhhhhhhh ignore that q. |
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| 18:34.50 | bkuhn | carols: is a movie theater concessionist the person who admits professionally that movies aren't as good as they used to be (makes concessions :). |
| 18:35.01 | carols | bkuhn: i did that too :-) |
| 18:35.05 | bkuhn | :) |
| 18:35.10 | carols | in fact |
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| 18:35.12 | carols | i still do that |
| 18:35.21 | bkuhn | but not as part of you job. :) |
| 18:35.26 | carols | that's true. |
| 18:35.31 | carols | just to make conversation on irc |
| 18:36.52 | DaSpirit | The FAQs timeline says that there is a day where rejected orgs join the IRC. Do they get a chance to redeem themselves? |
| 18:37.05 | umccullough | no, they get a chance to hear why they weren't accepted ;) |
| 18:37.27 | umccullough | so they can do better next time |
| 18:37.49 | carols | and carols can spend 4 hours wondering why they didn't ask for feedback before the deadline. |
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| 18:38.20 | bkuhn | So am I correct in that no one has opened a ticket in Melange about this "how do you know your application is complete" status on the Dashboard? |
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| 18:38.26 | bkuhn | I searched an found none. |
| 18:38.31 | umccullough | bkuhn, i searched too, didn't see it |
| 18:38.42 | umccullough | but they have mentioned in #melange that it's a known usability issue |
| 18:38.54 | umccullough | maybe they're just waiting for someone to officially report it? |
| 18:38.54 | carols | bkuhn: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2007 |
| 18:39.08 | umccullough | ah |
| 18:39.23 | umccullough | stars it on behalf of everyone who complained |
| 18:39.47 | bkuhn | carols: thanks, I will add a comment to that too, as it's just about profile, and the problem exists for Questionnaire too, but the problem is roughly the same. |
| 18:39.54 | carols | sure. |
| 18:39.56 | carols | go for it. |
| 18:40.03 | bkuhn | ugh, I need to use my Google account for that. |
| 18:40.11 | bkuhn | hates Google accounts. |
| 18:40.16 | bkuhn | But again: Google sponsors this program! |
| 18:40.25 | bkuhn | It's reasonable for them to make me use that, even though I hate it. :) |
| 18:40.33 | nathanielmanista | bkuhn: hold your nose and think of freedom? |
| 18:40.40 | bkuhn | nathanielmanista: yup. |
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| 18:40.56 | bkuhn | Amusingly, my iceweasel config is so locked down of not accepting cookies, javascript, etc.... |
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| 18:41.12 | bkuhn | ... I couldn't get it to work with Melange, so I used Chromimum do my application. :) |
| 18:41.39 | bkuhn | suspects he'll do the whole GSoC 2014 in Chromium in the end. :) |
| 18:41.41 | carols | bkuhn: i'm sure the chromium team would be happy to hear that |
| 18:41.47 | bkuhn | carols: lol... |
| 18:41.54 | bkuhn | ... I mean, I could have unlocked my iceweasel enough. |
| 18:41.58 | bkuhn | But I was time constrained, as mentioned. |
| 18:42.17 | carols | bkuhn: why were you time constrained?? we talked about this program at the summit *last year*! |
| 18:42.24 | carols | i am disappoint. |
| 18:42.40 | bkuhn | My poor planning and being overworked. :)_ |
| 18:42.43 | bkuhn | not your fault! |
| 18:42.48 | carols | sighs |
| 18:42.50 | gevaerts | carols: a good application takes time, and a year isn't *that* much... ;) |
| 18:42.50 | Slurpee | Awesome. melange 500 |
| 18:42.51 | carols | has some more tea |
| 18:43.03 | d3r1ck | give me some carols |
| 18:43.06 | carols | Slurpee: reason #12097534 we tell people to submit their apps early |
| 18:43.12 | carols | d3r1ck: help yourself. |
| 18:43.20 | d3r1ck | thanks carols |
| 18:43.23 | carols | yw |
| 18:43.47 | d3r1ck | der1ck thanking carols |
| 18:44.15 | d3r1ck | carols: take a look at this: http://about.me/alangi.derick |
| 18:44.24 | carols | d3r1ck: no thanks |
| 18:44.29 | carols | i've got other stuff to do |
| 18:45.10 | stqism | And so it was down to 15 |
| 18:45.25 | d3r1ck | ok carols |
| 18:45.42 | d3r1ck | maybe you could just book mark it and then take a look at it latter. |
| 18:45.57 | d3r1ck | carols: maybe you could just book mark it and then take a look at it latter. |
| 18:45.57 | bkuhn | carols: Have you seen my identi.ca posts lately: https://identi.ca/bkuhn/note/SIOOewfHSnmyOfkQfGvViQ I mean, GSoC app is not the only thing that I'm only going be able to schedule time to work on when it's absolutely urgent. |
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| 18:47.19 | d3r1ck | cool bkuhn |
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| 18:47.47 | leroy_ | hi, after 15 minutes students will see a list of organizations with the projects they offer, right? |
| 18:48.07 | unitraxx | leroy_: I don't think so |
| 18:48.09 | umccullough | not until feb 24th |
| 18:48.10 | d3r1ck | i don't think so leroy_. |
| 18:48.10 | carols | leroy_: nope |
| 18:48.21 | d3r1ck | it has to be processed by Google |
| 18:48.22 | meflin | not untill the Gtardis is finished |
| 18:48.29 | d3r1ck | talk to car leroy_ |
| 18:48.43 | d3r1ck | talk to carols |
| 18:48.53 | carols | please don't talk to carols |
| 18:48.58 | umccullough | or, don't talk to carols - she's busy |
| 18:48.59 | carols | she has 400 other things going on right now |
| 18:48.59 | leroy_ | :))) |
| 18:49.14 | meflin | 417 :D |
| 18:49.16 | d3r1ck | that is true, sorry carols . |
| 18:49.18 | nathanielmanista | meflin: We have no comment on unreleased products and services. |
| 18:49.25 | d3r1ck | what is the Gtardis meflin ? |
| 18:49.34 | sttaylor | leroy_h: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 18:49.35 | meflin | a tardis .... time machine |
| 18:49.47 | d3r1ck | ok meflin |
| 18:50.12 | sttaylor | leroy_h: Orgs will be listed on February 24 at 19:00 UTC on the program site |
| 18:50.38 | Slurpee | carols, any ideas why I can't questionnaire? * fields required - I have all fields filled out... |
| 18:50.55 | d3r1ck | that is true sttaylor |
| 18:50.56 | unitraxx | The population in our IRC channel will double on 24 February then |
| 18:51.11 | carols | Slurpee: have you asked nathanielmanista? |
| 18:51.12 | unitraxx | and after the accepted students are announced it goes back to normal |
| 18:51.32 | d3r1ck | wow, unitraxx is that true? |
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| 18:51.50 | Slurpee | nathanielmanista, can you help me? any ideas why I can't questionnaire? * fields required - I have all fields filled out... |
| 18:51.54 | unitraxx | d3r1ck: what's so odd about that? |
| 18:51.59 | Slurpee | This is crazy...everything is filled out. |
| 18:52.10 | leroy_ | oh, thanks. I was confused by another timeline, which says, that in 15 minutes student application starts. |
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| 18:52.50 | carols | leroy_: can you tell me where it says that because i'd like to fix it |
| 18:52.52 | carols | that's wrong |
| 18:53.14 | d3r1ck | unitraxx: no i am just suprised. |
| 18:53.20 | DaSpirit | 7 minutes |
| 18:53.24 | DaSpirit | Until deadline. |
| 18:53.25 | DaSpirit | Wow. |
| 18:53.31 | d3r1ck | haha... |
| 18:53.36 | umccullough | is starting to wonder if d3r1ck is a very subtle bot |
| 18:53.50 | leroy_ | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 program timeline. |
| 18:54.11 | unitraxx | d3r1ck: Minutes before the accepted students were announced last year, it was total chaos in our channel. Quite fun though ;) |
| 18:54.20 | leroy_ | carols: Student applications soon(14 feb .. 10 march) |
| 18:54.30 | gevaerts | leroy_: *soon* |
| 18:54.51 | carols | thanks gevaerts |
| 18:56.02 | Slurpee | LOL. There was no error. Simply text that always says "* fields required" |
| 18:56.07 | Slurpee | carols, I think we're all good. |
| 18:56.13 | nathanielmanista | Summer always arrives sooner than I expect. :-\ |
| 18:56.13 | carols | Slurpee: great |
| 18:56.51 | hiddenpearls | so carols is going to start reviewing applications after 4 mins :) |
| 18:57.11 | meflin | mandatory whining and tea break |
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| 18:57.25 | edsiper | !next |
| 18:57.27 | gsocbot | edsiper: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
| 18:58.17 | DaSpirit | Well, gotta get to cass. |
| 18:58.21 | DaSpirit | Good luck to all orgs! |
| 18:58.23 | stqism | We could count down the minute. |
| 18:58.34 | umccullough | eh |
| 18:58.37 | gevaerts | stqism: but then, we could not do that |
| 18:59.15 | umccullough | my clock shows 1 minute left |
| 18:59.20 | umccullough | well, less |
| 18:59.26 | stqism | And less |
| 19:00.07 | stqism | It's time. |
| 19:00.09 | meflin | brace for extension requestions |
| 19:00.11 | carols | that's it folks |
| 19:00.20 | idlecode | !next |
| 19:00.22 | gsocbot | idlecode: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
| 19:00.26 | stqism | carols: I forgot something, extension pls |
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| 19:00.35 | carols | stqism: no. happy valentine's day. |
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| 19:00.36 | nathanielmanista | Wow. The clock on my oven is really far off. |
| 19:01.03 | meflin | stqism: fake ones dont count :P |
| 19:01.04 | stqism | carols: :P I'm not late |
| 19:01.04 | anth_x | this is my second-favorite minute of the program every year. i can stop re-reading our application over and over hunting for typos. big stress off. |
| 19:01.17 | stqism | anth_x: +1 |
| 19:01.18 | carols | we officially got 371 apps this year. |
| 19:01.21 | carols | for anyone who's counting |
| 19:01.23 | stqism | Tiny. |
| 19:01.27 | meflin | sweet |
| 19:01.30 | meflin | wins! |
| 19:01.32 | umccullough | wow, that's low |
| 19:01.35 | hiddenpearls | wow |
| 19:01.44 | nathanielmanista | I look forward to the "Internet Of Things" future in which there are basically no inaccurate displays of time ever. |
| 19:02.00 | unitraxx | so the chance of getting accepted is even higher than 50% |
| 19:02.06 | unitraxx | the odds are in our favor! |
| 19:02.15 | anth_x | !odds |
| 19:02.15 | gsocbot | anth_x: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 19:02.23 | stqism | nathanielmanista: Okay, CEO is Cisco. |
| 19:02.27 | umccullough | yeah, didn't want to sound crass, but... 371 is a good thing for some of us :) |
| 19:02.42 | blast007 | nathanielmanista: then someone will hack them to just flash 12:00 ;) |
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| 19:02.59 | unitraxx | anth_x: well I'm sure a typo wouldn't matter ;) |
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| 19:12.03 | umccullough | anth_x, the odds statement doesn't help when we were rejected last year for reasons that seemed to indicate there were simply too many applicants :/ |
| 19:12.25 | stqism | umccullough: The odds are forever in your favor |
| 19:12.58 | umccullough | tends not to gamble |
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| 19:18.48 | Slurpee | Well that was fun. |
| 19:19.29 | Slurpee | Any other orgs have mentors contacting them at last minute? |
| 19:19.56 | meflin | heh mentors? try whole sub-orgs :P |
| 19:20.28 | livingstore | hey carols hows our page looking now? https://binpy.github.io/ideas.html |
| 19:20.33 | Slurpee | It was a bit stressful trying to accommodate and review everyone's ideas. Ironically majority of the last minute ideas were note approved due to lack of details. |
| 19:20.36 | carols | livingstore: not doing that anymore :-) |
| 19:20.41 | carols | i've got bigger fish to fry now |
| 19:20.50 | livingstore | :D |
| 19:21.05 | livingstore | just check once :) |
| 19:22.46 | stqism | livingstore: Checking deadline was a day ago :P |
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| 19:26.14 | Pancake_ | hello |
| 19:26.20 | stqism | Hey! |
| 19:26.27 | umccullough | greetings |
| 19:27.00 | Pancake_ | application period starts?? |
| 19:27.09 | meflin | for students? not yet |
| 19:27.10 | stqism | For students? |
| 19:27.14 | umccullough | org application period ended |
| 19:27.14 | stqism | ^^ |
| 19:27.15 | idlecode | !next |
| 19:27.17 | gsocbot | idlecode: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
| 19:27.22 | Pancake_ | yes student. |
| 19:27.29 | umccullough | see the timeline :) |
| 19:27.41 | idlecode | gsocbot, is out of date :[ |
| 19:27.41 | gsocbot | idlecode: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. |
| 19:27.44 | umccullough | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 19:28.08 | Pancake_ | thanks, |
| 19:28.22 | stqism | idlecode: He's fixing you for not finishing your smiley face. |
| 19:28.34 | Pancake_ | and do you have demo praposal for student? |
| 19:28.38 | idlecode | I know :] |
| 19:28.53 | stqism | Pancake_: Mentor orgs provide this |
| 19:28.57 | umccullough | Pancake_, there are some details here: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 19:29.41 | Pancake_ | :) |
| 19:30.05 | dx | pancake: look, a clone of you |
| 19:30.19 | neferty | dx: look, a dx |
| 19:30.32 | dx | neferty: look, an dor |
| 19:30.45 | neferty | damn, my cover is blown |
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| 19:32.01 | Pancake_ | and when i need to send praposal to mentors??now or after selection of mentors for 2014 |
| 19:32.03 | Pancake_ | ? |
| 19:32.27 | stqism | Pan |
| 19:32.29 | meflin | after org selection you use the web page to submit your proposal to the org |
| 19:32.53 | idlecode | read link above - there is everything |
| 19:33.12 | Pancake_ | ok..sir.!! |
| 19:35.13 | dx | the students guide lists the t-shirt as one of the main reasons to participate, but i'm in one of the listed countries that don't receive t-shirts :( |
| 19:35.30 | umccullough | :( |
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| 19:36.04 | meflin | dx: start a reform movement that gets you off the list :D |
| 19:36.13 | unitraxx | livingstore: I thought a pure documentation project wasn't allowed? |
| 19:36.43 | livingstore | its not pure documentation |
| 19:36.52 | livingstore | its tutorials that is more important |
| 19:37.03 | stqism | Tutorials? |
| 19:37.27 | meflin | demo's |
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| 19:38.00 | livingstore | exactly |
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| 19:40.45 | katyhuff | Hi there, I've been getting my organization mentoring application ready for the last few weeks, but it looks like I can no longer apply. Am I missing something, or does the deadline of today not include today? |
| 19:40.59 | meflin | it is past the deadline |
| 19:41.12 | meflin | 19:00 utc |
| 19:41.33 | katyhuff | oh no!!! |
| 19:41.38 | katyhuff | Where did it say that? |
| 19:41.54 | meflin | on the timeline ... I think its in the guide/faq as well |
| 19:41.56 | katyhuff | I assumed February 14th included today. It's not even noon here in SF. |
| 19:42.08 | sttaylor | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 19:42.21 | katyhuff | I see. |
| 19:42.25 | blast007 | katyhuff: on the homepage, and the timeline, and the FAQ |
| 19:42.38 | katyhuff | The FAQ doesn't give a time. |
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| 19:42.46 | katyhuff | but yes, I see now the calendar does. |
| 19:42.47 | katyhuff | :( |
| 19:42.58 | sttaylor | the timeline does though |
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| 19:43.03 | meflin | its even in the email |
| 19:43.41 | blast007 | katyhuff: no, the time is on the FAQ under "2. What is the program timeline?" |
| 19:43.43 | katyhuff | I'm sorry? I didn't receive any emails. I didn't mean to upset anyone. I get it. My mistake. |
| 19:43.48 | stqism | That makes 1. |
| 19:43.59 | umccullough | does that count? he didn't actually ask for an extension |
| 19:44.01 | stqism | katyhuff: The website has a timer with the hours/days left |
| 19:44.02 | umccullough | :) |
| 19:44.12 | stqism | umccullough: Close enough ;) |
| 19:44.13 | meflin | stqism: nope he didn't ask ;) |
| 19:44.30 | katyhuff | who is he? |
| 19:44.31 | umccullough | he/she |
| 19:44.33 | umccullough | soryr |
| 19:44.36 | katyhuff | I'm a woman. |
| 19:44.38 | stqism | Damn. |
| 19:44.42 | gevaerts | stqism: rules are rules. Missing the deadline is *not* the same as wanting an extension |
| 19:44.44 | umccullough | i got that after i said "he" :D |
| 19:44.46 | meflin | my bad |
| 19:44.57 | gevaerts | We take side-bets seriously in here |
| 19:44.59 | stqism | katyhuff: We're mentioning you in a gender neutral way. |
| 19:45.19 | stqism | gevaerts: Fine. I'm still winning here. |
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| 19:45.49 | bePolite | I'm surprised that I see most of my friends online on Facebook today instead. It seems the world is getting lonely |
| 19:45.58 | gevaerts | stqism: of course, we forgot to specify when "today" ends when discussing this "how many requests for extensions will there be today" |
| 19:46.20 | umccullough | gevaerts, i didn't even realize it was limited to today |
| 19:46.23 | katyhuff | Is it possible to get an extension? I haven't been on the listhost. |
| 19:46.29 | meflin | gevaerts: today is c arols $day :D ofcourse :D |
| 19:46.32 | umccullough | there we go, now it's 1 |
| 19:46.40 | meflin | that is 1 |
| 19:46.43 | katyhuff | ? |
| 19:46.51 | katyhuff | I'm only asking because it sounds like a possibility? |
| 19:46.52 | meflin | extensions are not possible |
| 19:46.53 | stqism | Haha |
| 19:46.56 | gevaerts | meflin: well, I'll accept her decision as final, anyway :) |
| 19:47.03 | umccullough | katyhuff, you can try asking carols or sttaylor, but i suspect they will say no |
| 19:47.05 | katyhuff | You made it sound like a possibility. Sorry. |
| 19:47.05 | meflin | gevaerts: agreed |
| 19:47.06 | stqism | katyhuff: It isn't, but people always ask. |
| 19:47.11 | carols | hm? |
| 19:47.13 | katyhuff | I'm sorry. |
| 19:47.16 | carols | does someone need something? |
| 19:47.42 | katyhuff | I didn't realize the deadline was before today was over here in SF. |
| 19:47.58 | carols | yeah, it's 19:00 UTC, katyhuff, sorry |
| 19:47.59 | katyhuff | I went to apply a few minutes ago and I found that this was the case. |
| 19:48.06 | katyhuff | Yes, my mistake. |
| 19:48.07 | carols | hope you have a nice valentine's day anyway |
| 19:48.08 | meflin | carols: count stands at 1 |
| 19:48.14 | carols | meflin: thanks for tracking that |
| 19:48.29 | katyhuff | The people in this room are indicating to me that it may be possible to ask for an extension, so I asked, but I guess I'm just part of a bet. |
| 19:48.33 | katyhuff | Sorry to bother you @carols. |
| 19:48.35 | umccullough | also, sorry katyhuff for the gender mixup - happens a lot on IRC :( |
| 19:48.37 | carols | katyhuff: unfortunately not. |
| 19:48.39 | carols | but no problem. |
| 19:48.46 | gevaerts | carols: it's just that we forgot to specify when exactly the count stops |
| 19:48.48 | carols | serves some tea |
| 19:48.50 | carols | have some tea :-) |
| 19:49.04 | katyhuff | I wasn't worried about the gender mixup. I've been on irc plenty before. |
| 19:49.11 | carols | katyhuff: it happens to me a lot too. |
| 19:49.14 | katyhuff | Thanks @carols |
| 19:49.15 | derdon | tea is a good idea. thank you, carols |
| 19:49.18 | carols | cheers. |
| 19:49.30 | meflin | I'm usualy more carefull :) |
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| 19:54.40 | katyhuff | In case anyone is taking suggestions (@carols perhaps?) it might help to put that deadline in the FAQ where it just lists the dates http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._How_does_a_mentoring_organization . That is all I had previously read. It seemed very clear. |
| 19:54.48 | katyhuff | But, it caused this other assumption. |
| 19:54.49 | katyhuff | ok. |
| 19:54.50 | katyhuff | thanks. |
| 19:54.55 | carols | ok. thanks. |
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| 19:57.19 | joshwambua__ | !next |
| 19:57.20 | gsocbot | joshwambua__: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
| 19:58.12 | umccullough | yeah, someone needs to fix that |
| 20:02.40 | meflin | hmm not the rush I expect stqism is looking good for the win |
| 20:03.07 | stqism | Surprisingly good. This timeline change seems to of changed things. |
| 20:03.11 | gevaerts | suspects he'll lose all of today's bets |
| 20:03.44 | meflin | I should have used the strategy I used on orgs wait and bet under :D |
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| 20:04.10 | gevaerts | Still, the numbers have to be right. This isn't a matter of getting closest |
| 20:04.26 | meflin | but but Tox sticker! |
| 20:04.28 | meflin | :D |
| 20:04.36 | stqism | :P |
| 20:04.44 | umccullough | heh, i read that as stock ticker |
| 20:05.04 | meflin | hmm but what if it ends up being 11? |
| 20:05.11 | stqism | ;-; |
| 20:05.24 | meflin | rock paper sizors? |
| 20:05.50 | katyhuff | Maybe I could request an extension 11 times. :) I really only need half an hour. The application's ready, I just didn't know it would end at 11am in SF. |
| 20:06.03 | meflin | sadly you can only count once :) |
| 20:06.33 | katyhuff | Is there really nothing that can be done? I'm a first time applicant, we have a great project, many students already interested. |
| 20:06.46 | meflin | there litterly is nothing that can be done |
| 20:07.01 | meflin | but you could look for an umbrella org |
| 20:07.16 | katyhuff | ? |
| 20:07.36 | stqism | katyhuff: As in company that runs your project that got accepted |
| 20:07.37 | meflin | some orgs kde and python for example host sub-projects |
| 20:08.04 | meflin | if you can find a such an org that is about the sort of things you do they might take you in |
| 20:08.13 | meflin | its a good way to get experience |
| 20:08.31 | meflin | check the 2013 list |
| 20:08.34 | katyhuff | @stqism Do you mean a company that got accepted that would run my project? Or, were projects accepted separately.. Confused. |
| 20:08.41 | umccullough | separate projects |
| 20:08.47 | umccullough | but related perhaps |
| 20:08.54 | stqism | But making your project a sub project |
| 20:09.00 | katyhuff | @meflin Sure |
| 20:09.02 | umccullough | for example, if your project was written in python you could maybe fall under the python umbrella |
| 20:09.07 | katyhuff | @mefiln Thanks, that's a good idea |
| 20:09.25 | katyhuff | @stqism it was just the order of your sentence... |
| 20:09.34 | meflin | there are quite a few umbrella's I dont know them all :) |
| 20:10.00 | stqism | Eh, than it's my fault with that :P on a phone here |
| 20:10.28 | meflin | stqism: I should have bet on how many ppl you splashed tea on :D |
| 20:10.41 | stqism | meflin: :P |
| 20:10.57 | olly_ | umccullough: anyone can teach gsocbot stuff |
| 20:11.13 | umccullough | i guess !next is just a factoid then? |
| 20:11.43 | olly_ | gsocbot: learn next as accepted orgs will be announced feb 24th 19:00 UTC |
| 20:11.46 | gsocbot | olly_: "next" is (#1) February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline, or (#2) accepted orgs will be announced feb 24th 19:00 UTC |
| 20:11.54 | olly_ | gsocbot: forget next #1 |
| 20:11.55 | gsocbot | olly_: Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 20:11.59 | olly_ | gsocbot: forget next 1 |
| 20:12.00 | gsocbot | olly_: "next" is accepted orgs will be announced feb 24th 19:00 UTC |
| 20:12.05 | umccullough | ok |
| 20:12.09 | olly_ | umccullough: yes |
| 20:12.44 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Google Summer of Code 2014 mentoring organization applications are now closed. We announce accepted organizations on 24 February at 19:00 UTC. Please check out our timeline for more info: goo.gl/Anraxm |
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| 20:38.14 | Pancake_ | hello?? |
| 20:38.30 | carols | hi Pancake_ |
| 20:38.31 | stqism | Hi |
| 20:39.41 | Pancake_ | how many praposal i send to org??maximum?? |
| 20:39.58 | umccullough | 5, should be in the FAQ |
| 20:40.06 | carols | Pancake_: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#6._Can_a_student_submit_more_than_one |
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| 20:42.09 | Pancake_ | thanx, @ carols and stqism..!! and in current phase can i contact through IRC to the mentors of previous years ?? |
| 20:42.18 | carols | Pancake_: sure, go for it |
| 20:42.19 | olly_ | Pancake_: yes |
| 20:42.24 | stqism | Pancake_: I would try an email. |
| 20:42.45 | olly_ | what's best really depends on the org |
| 20:43.12 | umccullough | irc is usually a reasonable starting point i would guess :) |
| 20:43.13 | olly_ | certainly if you try irc and get no useful response, try email |
| 20:45.56 | olly_ | interesting that there are fewer org apps - i was expecting an increase due for the "biggest gsoc ever" |
| 20:46.14 | carols | olly_: i was hoping for that too :-( |
| 20:46.18 | olly_ | the number of good ones matters more than the grand total though |
| 20:48.23 | carols | i will say: the quality of ideas page overall is higher. |
| 20:48.28 | carols | but man, so many inaccessible pages. |
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| 20:48.30 | carols | again. |
| 20:48.35 | stqism | Oh boy |
| 20:48.36 | umccullough | fail |
| 20:48.43 | umccullough | goes to check his to be sure |
| 20:49.02 | umccullough | <phew> |
| 20:49.08 | meflin | carols: I'm seeing reports that wiki.lists.org is down |
| 20:50.21 | olly_ | wonders what the biggest single point of failure for gsoc org apps is - probably github these days |
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| 20:50.32 | stqism | meflin: Parked domain |
| 20:51.25 | umccullough | maybe http://wiki.list.org/ instead? |
| 20:51.49 | stqism | "non clustered database" |
| 20:51.51 | meflin | http://wiki.list.org/ |
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| 20:51.59 | terri | yeah, he meant the latter. point being, Atlassian (a fairly large host) is having some trouble. may affect more than just mailman. |
| 20:52.04 | meflin | one of our ideas pages is down |
| 20:52.35 | umccullough | ask for an extension ;) |
| 20:52.43 | meflin | umccullough: it wont count ;) |
| 20:52.47 | umccullough | heh |
| 20:53.04 | stqism | meflin: Backups! Our redirect for download.tox.im went down, suddenly I'm making support tickets at 6 am |
| 20:53.20 | meflin | I'm not in charge over there :D |
| 20:53.56 | meflin | but any org using them is going to have an inaccessible ideas page ( until fixed ) |
| 20:54.13 | terri | And they provide free wikis (with backups) to open source projects |
| 20:54.22 | terri | so mailman may not be the only GSoC hopeful affected. |
| 20:54.40 | umccullough | silly internet, always being uncooperative |
| 20:54.51 | terri | normally they're really good about sending out warnings when something will be offline, but I didn't see one this time. |
| 20:55.16 | meflin | good day for a systems failure :D |
| 20:55.16 | stqism | And that's why we don't trust random web services. |
| 20:55.21 | stqism | :P |
| 20:55.31 | terri | So despite the message sounding like a planned outage, I'm not sure they haven't had a truck run into their colocation facility. :P |
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| 20:55.56 | umccullough | backhoe fade |
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| 20:56.19 | meflin | oh I've seen a bus crash into a electrical main ... took 4 days to restore power to to 20 office buildings and 3K homes |
| 20:56.22 | meflin | guess how I know? |
| 20:56.59 | umccullough | you were on the bus? |
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| 20:57.02 | stqism | Your home. |
| 20:57.14 | meflin | my servers went poof in one of those buildings |
| 20:57.23 | stqism | Ouch |
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| 20:58.01 | stqism | Imagine the fun of a generator failure and power outage at somewhere like one wilshire. |
| 20:58.07 | stqism | So much peering dying |
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| 20:58.23 | meflin | fortunately it was a small part of my server but customers where not amused |
| 20:58.39 | stqism | Still not fun |
| 20:58.56 | terri | The saddest thing for Mailman is that we're in the midst of moving our wiki to another host. *sigh* |
| 20:59.25 | stqism | That's almost funny timing |
| 20:59.35 | meflin | I did get 27 hours of ups run time :D |
| 21:00.25 | terri | stqism: it'd be more surprising if the content migration hadn't been going on for months (keeping revision history is apparently annoying), but yeah. :) |
| 21:01.12 | stqism | I wish the few companies who host services for us would notify us when something happens. |
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| 21:01.51 | stqism | 99.9% of our infrastructure is ran by our umbrella, but it's the 0.01 that screws us |
| 21:02.39 | Slurpee | brb |
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| 21:14.58 | lite | hello around here. Please can i get the list of mentoring organisations that applied ? |
| 21:15.30 | meflin | nope |
| 21:15.33 | Cervator | lite: not yet, you'll have to wait to the 24th |
| 21:15.44 | Cervator | and those are those that get accepted, not all |
| 21:16.56 | lite | Cervator: please i don't mean those selected but those who have applied be4 the deadline |
| 21:17.13 | Cervator | that's not public information i'm afraid |
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| 21:17.44 | lite | Cervator: understood |
| 21:17.58 | lite | Cervator: i think i will check out the old ones then |
| 21:18.07 | Cervator | yep, good start :-) |
| 21:20.08 | lite | Cervator: it may be my first time and am really excited |
| 21:20.48 | Cervator | good! :-) |
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| 21:23.46 | perepujal | lite: then I suggest contact potential orgs sooner, get known to them, interact with them, things like that |
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| 21:24.51 | ilv | lite: search for orgs here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013 , go to 'Ideas page' and change 2013 by 2014 |
| 21:25.01 | ilv | works for me (most cases) :-) |
| 21:25.22 | lite | perepujal: Yeah sure. am on it |
| 21:25.32 | lite | ilv: Thanks |
| 21:26.42 | unitraxx | ha |
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| 21:26.50 | unitraxx | that shouldn't be public yet? |
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| 21:27.17 | unitraxx | but it's nice to see that our idea page links correctly ;) |
| 21:27.34 | gevaerts | unitraxx: what shouldn't be public? |
| 21:28.07 | olly_ | you can also just try a web search for things like: gsoc 2014 ideas |
| 21:28.16 | unitraxx | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/supertuxkart |
| 21:28.46 | unitraxx | works for any org |
| 21:29.00 | stqism | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/tox |
| 21:29.02 | stqism | Confirmed |
| 21:29.17 | gevaerts | Hmmmm |
| 21:29.47 | gevaerts | asks in #melange |
| 21:29.57 | gevaerts | doesn't, olly_ was first :) |
| 21:29.57 | olly_ | gevaerts: i just did |
| 21:30.21 | olly_ | not as bad as any org admin being able to see and edit any other org's application... |
| 21:30.43 | gevaerts | There is that |
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| 21:32.12 | stqism | We had html? ;-; |
| 21:32.54 | gevaerts | stqism: don't worry. I believe carols said she preferred plain text |
| 21:33.11 | stqism | I recall that, but it's for students. |
| 21:33.27 | gevaerts | You'll still be able to tweak student-facing content I believe |
| 21:33.34 | unitraxx | some students just attached pdf's last year |
| 21:33.51 | stqism | Perfect, gevaerts |
| 21:37.00 | Slurpee | Open source for the win :) |
| 21:38.19 | stqism | >not submitting a closed source program with an NDA |
| 21:38.22 | unitraxx | drupal definitely did their best this year ;) |
| 21:39.07 | stqism | That was massive |
| 21:39.18 | stqism | Gosh, drupal |
| 21:39.35 | Slurpee | unitraxx, thanks ! |
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| 21:40.19 | unitraxx | Slurpee: oh you seem to be the org admin, cool |
| 21:40.43 | Slurpee | unitraxx, nice to meet you. |
| 21:41.22 | unitraxx | yeah drupal was one of the projects I was interested applying for last year :) |
| 21:41.33 | unitraxx | it was a bit unexpected not seeing you guys getting accepted |
| 21:41.40 | dom96 | looks like the 'irc' button is a link, melange should force it to start with 'irc://' |
| 21:42.10 | gevaerts | dom96: of course, those links are far from universally recognised :) |
| 21:42.53 | Slurpee | unitraxx, sorry to hear about that. Our entire community was a bit bummed out about it too. |
| 21:43.00 | Slurpee | unitraxx, we |
| 21:43.09 | Slurpee | unitraxx, we're back trying again :) |
| 21:43.17 | unitraxx | Slurpee: definitely no problem, I ended up with a great organization anyway :) |
| 21:43.27 | Slurpee | unitraxx, cool. Which org? |
| 21:43.31 | unitraxx | SuperTuxKart |
| 21:44.08 | Slurpee | Looks fun. |
| 21:45.09 | Slurpee | unitraxx, what type of code is SuperTuxKart? |
| 21:45.28 | unitraxx | the client is just C++ |
| 21:45.33 | unitraxx | nothing to special actually |
| 21:45.39 | unitraxx | graphics is a fork of irrlicht |
| 21:45.44 | unitraxx | physics, bullet |
| 21:45.57 | unitraxx | the multiplayer features I implemented contact a server running PHP |
| 21:46.04 | unitraxx | (was my gsoc project) |
| 21:46.09 | Slurpee | interesting |
| 21:46.27 | Slurpee | unitraxx, what was php's purpose? |
| 21:46.36 | unitraxx | account registration etc |
| 21:46.38 | unitraxx | friends |
| 21:47.03 | unitraxx | we have a web client as well for addons (new tracks, karts) |
| 21:47.05 | olly_ | dom96: i don't think it should - we link IRC to here, which is more helpful than just an irc: URL which may not work for everyone - http://trac.xapian.org/wiki/GSoC_IRC |
| 21:47.11 | unitraxx | so the account system is integrated with that |
| 21:47.34 | olly_ | perhaps it should check it's actually a URL though |
| 21:47.42 | dom96 | olly_: I see. That's a good point, although melange should at least say that they are expecting a URL though. |
| 21:48.02 | dom96 | ah, we agree heh. |
| 21:48.09 | unitraxx | Slurpee: I'm not sure if I would have picked PHP myself, if I had to start from scratch |
| 21:48.52 | gevaerts | I know I have *no* idea how an IRC URL would be expected to get from my web browser to my irc client :) |
| 21:49.31 | unitraxx | gevaerts: your browser should normally let you select a program the first time you try to open it |
| 21:49.39 | dom96 | gevaerts: It works for xchat on Windows for me. |
| 21:49.42 | unitraxx | and you could let it default then to the selected program |
| 21:49.47 | gevaerts | unitraxx: you're making a few assumtions there that may not be valid :) |
| 21:50.03 | gevaerts | Such as that my irc client *handles* urls, and that it's running on the same system |
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| 21:50.11 | unitraxx | gevaerts: valid points |
| 21:50.48 | Slurpee | unitraxx, php is perfect for user registration/authentication. Did you connect/authenticate with any 3rd parties such as fb/tw? |
| 21:52.07 | unitraxx | Slurpee: no. And at the time of writing my proposal and doing my actual project I wasn't a fan myself of using fb or so for authentication |
| 21:52.35 | unitraxx | but being a few months wiser now, I think I'd prefer 3rd party authentication |
| 21:52.45 | unitraxx | just for the sake of not having to deal with passwords |
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| 21:53.10 | gevaerts | unitraxx: thanks. I tend to get shunned for my software choices, so being told they are valid points is a great achievement for me :) |
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| 21:54.17 | unitraxx | Slurpee: I do think a reasonably large amount of users would be mad if they _had_ to use fb to be able to use online multiplayer features |
| 21:54.47 | umccullough | as in facebook? do people use that? |
| 21:55.00 | stqism | Yeah, I hated lyft. Had to reactivate my Facebook to get a driver. |
| 21:55.35 | Slurpee | unitraxx, majority of websites with authenticated users utilize "social logins" these days. The funny part is that companies pay big money for Janrain to provide a "simple turn key solution" http://janrain.com/product/social-login/ - yet all of these authentication systems provide basic APIs. |
| 21:56.16 | umccullough | i've missed out on quite a few things in the recent years that require a facebook account |
| 21:56.29 | umccullough | oh well |
| 21:56.34 | Slurpee | I've helped several projects "ditch janrain" by writing custom authentication code for whatever services client can dream of. |
| 21:56.55 | stqism | >not designing decentralized uncertainties |
| 21:57.01 | stqism | Infrastructure |
| 21:57.09 | stqism | Gosh, autocorrect |
| 21:57.09 | unitraxx | I think I would prefer something like Mozilla's persona |
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| 21:57.21 | unitraxx | haven't used it yet, but it seems pretty neat |
| 21:57.48 | olly_ | the day a site requires an FB login is the day I stop using it |
| 21:58.09 | unitraxx | olly_: what if they require a google account? |
| 21:58.29 | olly_ | probably the same, though I do at least have a google account |
| 22:00.28 | Slurpee | olly_, unitraxx, umccullough - interesting topic about forcing social login/registration (normal email registration disabled). On of my projects requested it, I advised against it, but client insisted on it based on some report. Long story short...it worked out well. No one really complained and it helped with spam. |
| 22:01.09 | olly_ | yeah, because not just anyone can sign up for facebook |
| 22:01.15 | unitraxx | Slurpee: what kind of project was it? |
| 22:01.27 | Slurpee | well they have a variety of social logins...fb/tw/li/g+/etc |
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| 22:02.23 | olly_ | "No one really complained" is telling really |
| 22:02.43 | Slurpee | unitraxx, http://www.builtinchicago.org/ - click "create an account" in top right corner and you will see. |
| 22:02.56 | olly_ | unless it's a site I'd really miss, I'll just go for a rival site which does allow me to sign up sanely |
| 22:03.19 | unitraxx | hmm startup community, that's actually the exact audience I'd expect to complain about it |
| 22:04.23 | unitraxx | Slurpee: I only have the option to use linkedin? |
| 22:05.07 | unitraxx | Slurpee: nvm adblock filtered out the other options |
| 22:05.08 | Slurpee | at the moment, client is using fb/tw/li. they change it time to time. |
| 22:06.55 | Slurpee | unitraxx, interesting Drupal fact, you're not really supposed to have a user account with no email address. Email addresses are totally unique and can't be duplicated across users. However, you can code it to work if needed. It was a fairly "radical" task request. |
| 22:08.32 | Slurpee | unitraxx, I believe the real value of forcing social login/registration is pulling in profile fields with avatar for users from the 3rd party. Diff 3rd parties provide more info than others. |
| 22:08.58 | stqism | ^ |
| 22:09.13 | unitraxx | I definitely see the advantages |
| 22:09.49 | umccullough | Slurpee, even though I have a g+ account, I *hate* having to use it for anything besides google services |
| 22:10.19 | umccullough | i disagree with the concept of "network everyone!" |
| 22:10.26 | umccullough | at least as far as privacy concerns go |
| 22:10.46 | umccullough | as such, i've been unable to access services that I otherwise might have wanted to access :/ |
| 22:10.58 | umccullough | it's my choice of cours |
| 22:10.59 | umccullough | course |
| 22:11.35 | umccullough | as for complaints, I have emailed companies in the past to tell them how I feel, but have never received a response, so i gave up |
| 22:12.06 | unitraxx | umccullough: what would you think about mozilla persona? |
| 22:12.07 | Slurpee | umccullough, same here. I personally rarely utilize social authentication. Our dev team setup "real fake personas" for client social networks. My fake person is on all the social networks and authenticates everywhere for testing :) |
| 22:12.14 | meflin | I dont use any social media account for any login never will |
| 22:12.17 | unitraxx | "The privacy goal is motivated by the fact that the identity provider does not know which website the user is identifying." |
| 22:12.33 | umccullough | unitraxx, i dunno, i haven't looked at it |
| 22:12.39 | umccullough | sounds interesting |
| 22:12.49 | unitraxx | it lets you use your Google account |
| 22:12.55 | unitraxx | without google knowing that you visited the site |
| 22:12.56 | umccullough | also, i always hoped openid would get more popular |
| 22:13.21 | meflin | the only time I've ever crossed uses is having to get gmail to do gsoc |
| 22:13.48 | Slurpee | feels social authenticate is always trying to sneak up on him |
| 22:14.17 | umccullough | in the grand scheme of things, I suspect the use of facebook or g+ logins to authenticate is largely about tracking people |
| 22:14.26 | umccullough | and i fundamentally disagree with it :) |
| 22:14.37 | meflin | I dont actually care |
| 22:14.53 | meflin | this thing is this that thing is that |
| 22:14.57 | meflin | no co-mingling |
| 22:15.07 | umccullough | yeah |
| 22:15.24 | umccullough | i'm probably also one of the few people who absolutely never "saves passwords" for services or websites |
| 22:15.34 | umccullough | in fact, that's one thing about my android tablet that drives me bonkers |
| 22:15.35 | meflin | I also hate my sauce running into my veggies so ... :D |
| 22:15.50 | umccullough | i hate that the gmail app saves the password |
| 22:16.07 | unitraxx | umccullough: I use my browsers password feature |
| 22:16.13 | unitraxx | not the option services provide |
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| 22:16.22 | umccullough | yeah, i still avoid that |
| 22:16.41 | meflin | count is still one isn't it? |
| 22:16.46 | umccullough | i think so |
| 22:16.52 | meflin | kinda ... sad |
| 22:16.53 | umccullough | disappointing actually |
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| 22:17.16 | meflin | where is our angry mob with pitchforks |
| 22:17.18 | umccullough | i guess a lot of people just gave up on gsoc this year... or they'll realize their mistake a week from now |
| 22:17.40 | meflin | oh wait they are right here talking about social media ;) |
| 22:17.41 | stqism | meflin: It's odd |
| 22:18.00 | meflin | stqism: actualy it is odd |
| 22:18.09 | umccullough | yes, still odd |
| 22:18.10 | unitraxx | to be honest I didn't expect the deadline to be during the day |
| 22:18.11 | Slurpee | Or lots of people appear at 19:00 Mountain View time |
| 22:18.17 | DaSpirit-Mobile | Mob will come on 27th |
| 22:18.23 | umccullough | 24th |
| 22:18.27 | meflin | unitraxx: its always during the day |
| 22:19.08 | olly_ | pretty much all gsoc deadlines are 19:00 UTC |
| 22:19.15 | olly_ | at least these days |
| 22:19.27 | meflin | and any hour of utc is during the day somewhere |
| 22:19.40 | umccullough | heh |
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| 22:20.00 | umccullough | yes, nobody should be surprised at a 19:00 UTC deadline |
| 22:20.09 | Ivanovic | IIRC the time is 12:00 mountain view time |
| 22:20.11 | umccullough | at least, not if they've done GSoC before |
| 22:20.19 | Ivanovic | which translates into 19:00 UTC |
| 22:20.32 | umccullough | with daylight savings, same with PDT |
| 22:20.37 | Ivanovic | that is: the timeline lists two things in detail: |
| 22:20.40 | meflin | well the faq will be improved so that fixes that |
| 22:20.46 | Ivanovic | 1) the timezone for the deadline |
| 22:21.04 | Ivanovic | 2) that you can submit "work in progress" applications earlier and refine them until the deadline |
| 22:21.16 | Ivanovic | so there is no reason at all not to get something done before the deadline |
| 22:21.30 | meflin | Ivanovic: not true since october is so short! |
| 22:22.18 | Ivanovic | yeah, people were so shocked by there being a gsoc 2014 when suddenly the time for "submit proposals" started... |
| 22:22.41 | Ivanovic | okay, at wesnoth we have taken our time since we wanted to discuss first if we want to go for it |
| 22:22.49 | Ivanovic | and for us the best time to do this is during fosdem |
| 22:23.09 | Ivanovic | but our "generic" information only needs slight adjustments and the rest are the ideas |
| 22:23.18 | Ivanovic | tight fit but works out... |
| 22:23.29 | unitraxx | I started our organization's idea list already in November |
| 22:23.31 | meflin | well that is a veteran perspective to be fair |
| 22:23.43 | unitraxx | because I gave a talk about GSoC at our university |
| 22:23.45 | meflin | newbs are in a storm of well newb |
| 22:24.11 | Ivanovic | meflin: sure, it is very much the veteran view |
| 22:24.25 | Ivanovic | still when we did this the first time we also discussed "do we want this?" during fosdem |
| 22:24.39 | Ivanovic | which was then about 4 weeks before the org submission deadline |
| 22:24.49 | meflin | also can you stop talking about fosdem at MS? ;) |
| 22:24.53 | Ivanovic | yet we managed it in time by having some coordination |
| 22:24.59 | Ivanovic | MS? |
| 22:25.10 | unitraxx | I was at fosdem and I was disappointed. |
| 22:25.34 | meflin | heh game topic the last few I was at was all about fosdem |
| 22:25.47 | meflin | mentor sumit |
| 22:25.48 | olly_ | started our ideas list in about 2008 or 2009 |
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| 22:26.00 | bePolite | It seems the Gsoc timeline has changed |
| 22:26.00 | Ivanovic | meflin: hehe, yeah |
| 22:26.06 | bePolite | It now favours me |
| 22:26.08 | bePolite | thank God |
| 22:26.22 | Ivanovic | meflin: that is: there was a lot of other stuff last summit during the game chats |
| 22:26.35 | meflin | I did not make the last one :(.... |
| 22:26.53 | Ivanovic | unitraxx: hmm, if you are disappointed or not in fosdem depends on what you expect |
| 22:27.08 | Ivanovic | unitraxx: for us it is a common place to meet and discuss stuff for our project |
| 22:27.18 | unitraxx | Ivanovic: I came to the conclusion that I went the wrong day |
| 22:27.21 | Ivanovic | that there are other things going on is barely noticable for us |
| 22:27.53 | unitraxx | the game dev talks really weren't as interesting as I expected |
| 22:28.09 | meflin | depends on what you find intersting |
| 22:28.30 | meflin | my first MS the games talk's where facinating yet had nothing to do with my game |
| 22:28.40 | meflin | mostly cuz like me my game is old and cranky ;) |
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| 22:29.03 | meflin | hands over some tea |
| 22:29.09 | Ivanovic | meflin: talking about games during the summit is not the same as during fosdem |
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| 22:29.28 | Ivanovic | at fosdem it is somehow more organized and split into real topics not just "we take an hour or two for game stuff" |
| 22:29.30 | meflin | Ivanovic: heh well perhaps that is my complaint ;) |
| 22:29.35 | Ivanovic | hi carols |
| 22:29.40 | carols | hi Ivanovic |
| 22:29.45 | meflin | never been and probably never will fosdem |
| 22:29.57 | Ivanovic | hands carols some extra caffeine |
| 22:30.03 | carols | thanks Ivanovic |
| 22:30.04 | carols | i can use it |
| 22:30.08 | Ivanovic | do you prefer pills or do you directly take it into your veins? |
| 22:30.19 | carols | Ivanovic: i prefer tea. |
| 22:30.35 | DaSpirit-Mobile | Carols what letter you up to? |
| 22:30.36 | Ivanovic | meflin: this years topics: https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/track/game_development/ |
| 22:30.43 | unitraxx | Ivanovic: so you were in the hack rooms most of the time? |
| 22:30.45 | meflin | carols: the tea has been given :D |
| 22:31.04 | Ivanovic | unitraxx: on saturday i organized the games room including giving a talk |
| 22:31.10 | meflin | Ivanovic: nice list to bad its a bit to expensive for me to go |
| 22:31.21 | Ivanovic | on sunday we just were in the hacking room preparing e.g. for gsoc |
| 22:31.34 | Ivanovic | meflin: http://video.fosdem.org/2014/AW1125/Saturday/ |
| 22:31.37 | stqism | You have a hacking room? |
| 22:31.43 | Ivanovic | this year there are video recordings! |
| 22:31.47 | stqism | Wait, YOU HAVE AN OFFICE? |
| 22:31.54 | Ivanovic | stqism: at fosdem there are some "hacking rooms" |
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| 22:32.00 | umccullough | carols, have there been any private requests for extensions that count toward the total? |
| 22:32.03 | Ivanovic | which can be used by anybody who is there |
| 22:32.19 | meflin | Ivanovic: thanks! |
| 22:32.19 | stqism | Ivanovic: Haha, my mistake. |
| 22:32.52 | meflin | umccullough: hmm is that cheeting? |
| 22:32.53 | Ivanovic | meflin: and the talks were even in a livestream! |
| 22:33.03 | umccullough | meflin, hm? |
| 22:33.08 | Ivanovic | umccullough: i thought the deadline was a *real* deadline |
| 22:33.20 | meflin | Ivanovic: dang .. so I can be a total shut in introvert and get my gaming fix? |
| 22:33.21 | umccullough | Ivanovic, it is :) |
| 22:33.21 | Ivanovic | like "there is no good enough reason for an extension, whatever you come up with!" |
| 22:33.30 | Ivanovic | meflin: absolutely |
| 22:33.36 | meflin | I like :D |
| 22:33.49 | Ivanovic | that is: during the openpandora talk i received some questions from folks from irc which I asked ED |
| 22:34.00 | Ivanovic | those folks were watching the live stream |
| 22:34.09 | meflin | umccullough: do private's count? this is back to the $ day questing I think |
| 22:34.17 | umccullough | :/ |
| 22:34.34 | meflin | not that it maters since the count is 1 |
| 22:34.44 | umccullough | i don't know - it started with carol proposing that she expected a certain number of extension requests, but she didn't mention whether they would be public or not i think |
| 22:35.01 | unitraxx | Slurpee: how did you become the admin for drupal actually? Is that something you just proposed and everyone was fine with that? |
| 22:35.09 | gevaerts | The most impressive thing about fosdem is that it's so well run, given the constraints |
| 22:35.27 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: absolutely |
| 22:35.31 | meflin | I'll have to pay more atention to fosdem |
| 22:35.43 | Ivanovic | it was astounishing how they managed the video recording of the 22 devrooms |
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| 22:35.53 | unitraxx | gevaerts: yeah I heard they had too much money |
| 22:35.55 | gevaerts | I mean, there are at least 452 visitors! |
| 22:35.56 | Ivanovic | that is: live streams for all rooms? wtf? |
| 22:36.01 | unitraxx | that they didn't know what to do with it |
| 22:36.40 | Slurpee | unitraxx, I was a gsoc mentor for Drupal, then Drupal was not accepted the following gsoc year. This year I picked up the slack getting us into GCI and now hopefully GSoC. |
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| 22:37.09 | umccullough | oh, drupal was in gci this last year? |
| 22:37.17 | meflin | Slurpee: your idea's page is public right? ;) |
| 22:37.21 | umccullough | does that mean another org dropped out? I thought gci was only 10 orgs |
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| 22:37.39 | gevaerts | unitraxx: I didn't hear that, but there ars such things as reserves for rainy days |
| 22:37.49 | gevaerts | And rainy days are not uncommon at fosdem :) |
| 22:37.56 | Slurpee | meflin, yes - https://groups.drupal.org/node/407793 |
| 22:38.01 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: weather was pretty fine this year |
| 22:38.06 | Slurpee | meflin, you can't see it? |
| 22:38.11 | Ivanovic | a little rain on saturday morning but that was about it |
| 22:38.38 | meflin | nice page and yes I can |
| 22:39.07 | gevaerts | Ivanovic: you went *outside*? ;) |
| 22:39.16 | unitraxx | I think Drupal might win the price of longest idea page |
| 22:39.18 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: i had to go out of the hotel to travel to fosdem |
| 22:39.26 | unitraxx | Mozilla comes pretty close though |
| 22:39.31 | gevaerts | Ah, yes |
| 22:39.33 | Ivanovic | so yeah, there was a period of time where i was outside of the AW building |
| 22:39.43 | Slurpee | meflin, scared me for a second. Thanks for the feed back :_ |
| 22:39.46 | Ivanovic | and i once left the AW building in the middle of the day to get some food |
| 22:39.55 | meflin | Ivanovic: and like was outside scrarry? |
| 22:39.58 | Ivanovic | then in the evening to get to a place where i would find food and drink |
| 22:40.06 | Ivanovic | very scary |
| 22:40.16 | unitraxx | gsoc was handig out these cards for free beers |
| 22:40.32 | gevaerts | It had stopped raining by the time we got there on Saturday. Friday night was a bit too heavy to get up early :) |
| 22:40.34 | unitraxx | but it was only valid for that evening |
| 22:40.39 | unitraxx | and I was gone by then |
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| 22:41.01 | Slurpee | unitraxx, we had almost 50 project ideas submitted, but many were poorly organized. |
| 22:41.34 | unitraxx | If you talk with everybody at every single stand, you might end up with free food and free beers for the whole weekend |
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| 22:41.47 | unitraxx | Redhat gave away food coupons |
| 22:42.09 | gevaerts | was too busy talking to people he knows to talk much at stands |
| 22:42.10 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: since i was organizing a devroom and one of the wesnoth folks was the first speaker i somehow had to be at fosdem early... |
| 22:42.18 | unitraxx | Slurpee: at STK we just sit together with the few devs and discuss what might be nice ideas |
| 22:42.29 | gevaerts | Ivanovic: an easy mistake to make :) |
| 22:43.10 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: i think if i did not make the mistake of organizing the games devroom there would be no games devroom besides the obvious WESDEM event in one of the hacking rooms... |
| 22:43.12 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 22:43.24 | unitraxx | So I guess that's the main difference between small and large organizations |
| 22:43.36 | gevaerts | Ivanovic: there is that |
| 22:43.50 | meflin | unitraxx: not all that much |
| 22:44.07 | meflin | culture is actually more important then size |
| 22:44.09 | gevaerts | The network was also more stable than usual this year |
| 22:44.28 | Ivanovic | yes, fosdem worked exceptionally well this year |
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