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| 00:57.40 | justinfrontLion | Hi gsoc I was wondering about why Haxe's programming language related applications have all been unsuccessful over the years and if you could maybe provide some advise, a response here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/haxelang/gHHArGRsDYI would be ideal. As you may know haxe is becoming very popular, and succeeding in ludum dare, and is a very useful opensource language that is... |
| 00:57.44 | justinfrontLion | ...very useful in many areas. Maybe a current gsoc favored Mentor could make contact with haxe community to Mentor a haxe related project with one of the many talented students that currently use haxe? |
| 00:58.51 | justinfrontLion | http://haxe.org/ |
| 00:59.09 | justinfrontLion | http://haxe-foundation.org/ |
| 01:01.26 | olly | i'm not sure there's such a thing as a "current gsoc favored Mentor" |
| 01:01.45 | olly | justinfrontLion: did anyone from haxe attend the rejected orgs irc meeting in past years to get feedback on their application? |
| 01:02.07 | olly | if so, address the feedback you got and try again this year |
| 01:02.13 | justinfrontLion | If you see the first link you will see we only just found out |
| 01:02.29 | justinfrontLion | about the meetings |
| 01:03.03 | olly | oh, is this the same org in question as lordkryss asked about earlier? |
| 01:03.06 | justinfrontLion | I think many other opensource programming languages seem to get on gsoc ? |
| 01:03.40 | olly | some |
| 01:04.05 | olly | it's hard to know which apply but don't get accepted for sure, since rejected org applications aren't made public |
| 01:04.39 | justinfrontLion | I know Haxe has been applying for quite a few years now |
| 01:04.58 | justinfrontLion | Haxe is very very useful eg projects like ... http://www.openfl.org/ |
| 01:05.23 | justinfrontLion | allow you to create apps on most devices with rich graphics easily. |
| 01:05.28 | olly | i bet most of the orgs that apply are very useful to someone |
| 01:06.04 | olly | being very useful is probably not all that high up the priority list though |
| 01:06.39 | justinfrontLion | olly have you tried haxe? |
| 01:06.47 | olly | no |
| 01:07.07 | justinfrontLion | it's the sort of language that is better than the hype! |
| 01:07.09 | olly | but i'd say the most important thing in gsoc is that you can give students a good experience |
| 01:07.48 | olly | if you can't put forward a convincing case for that, being the new sliced bread isn't really going to help |
| 01:09.02 | justinfrontLion | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KsQI800A3KrFFlXvswxDZtvkisUDvz_rkU3a8ItxNA0/edit?usp=sharing |
| 01:09.18 | justinfrontLion | http://haxe.org/com/doc/gsoc2011 |
| 01:09.30 | thiago | justinfrontLion: if haxe applied and was rejected, they've been told the reason |
| 01:09.35 | thiago | ask them why they didn't get in |
| 01:09.52 | olly | thiago: the org didn't ask, apparently |
| 01:10.09 | olly | looking at the 2011 link, i'd say it's at least in part "ideas list needs work" |
| 01:10.10 | justinfrontLion | Yes, it's quite frustrating to spend time on this just to get rejected |
| 01:10.12 | justinfrontLion | without any idea why and what we should modify to improve on requirements. |
| 01:10.14 | olly | which is probably the top reason |
| 01:10.18 | justinfrontLion | is what Nicolas said |
| 01:10.29 | thiago | olly: if they org didn't ask, then there's no way of knowing now |
| 01:10.35 | justinfrontLion | so I don't think haxe know why |
| 01:10.54 | thiago | they had the chance to find out |
| 01:10.58 | thiago | they didn't use the chance |
| 01:11.01 | olly | justinfrontLion: improve you ideas list |
| 01:11.17 | justinfrontLion | There was also |
| 01:11.21 | olly | thiago: i know, I'm trying to tell them... |
| 01:11.41 | justinfrontLion | http://haxe.org/com/doc/gsoc2012 |
| 01:12.15 | olly | justinfrontLion: read the irc log (link pasted to the forum), and for all the feedback you see there, see if/how it applies to you and what you can do about it |
| 01:12.34 | olly | but I can tell you for sure that carols would have said that your ideas list is too brief |
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| 01:17.03 | justinfrontLion | Would targets for Haxe be useful ideas, currently new targets that I know of are c, dart, python, ruby, but they are along way from completion, I know that haxe IDE is also something very important to the community and there are lots of OpenFl related projects such as cross platform mobile video or 3d support |
| 01:17.40 | olly | it's not so much what the ideas are, but that there isn't nearly enough detail |
| 01:17.53 | olly | the ideas list entry needs to give a student a useful starting point |
| 01:19.30 | olly | though the website redesign projects probably aren't suitable for GSoC |
| 01:19.37 | justinfrontLion | Is there a particularly good example that might be relate able to haxe lang from another languages previous lists that you can point haxe community to? |
| 01:21.27 | justinfrontLion | website redesigns probably relate to frameworks for sites using new haxe features which would probably complie from haxe to a range of targets backend to Neko, php, c++, node?, and maybe java, and front end maybe dart, js and flash |
| 01:21.46 | justinfrontLion | b |
| 01:21.59 | justinfrontLion | but I follow. |
| 01:22.30 | olly | ah, ok - that's probably OK |
| 01:22.44 | olly | i'd just suggest looking through http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013 |
| 01:22.55 | olly | you can click through to the ideas list for each |
| 01:24.04 | olly | not sure i'd only look at language ones, but https://github.com/jruby/jruby/wiki/Google-Summer-of-Code-2013 and http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Project+Ideas are both more what's wanted |
| 01:24.48 | olly | the other thing which apparently helps a lot for a first-time org is getting a vouch from another org which has taken part before and knows your community |
| 01:25.41 | justinfrontLion | has away3d been accepted in the past? |
| 01:27.48 | olly | dunno, ask them? |
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| 17:21.50 | chro | Anyone here tried to apply for google interships? |
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| 17:46.05 | Lennie | chro, I did |
| 17:46.10 | Lennie | landed me a full-time job :) |
| 17:46.25 | chro | great :D |
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