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| 00:08.54 | olly | tangocharlie: talk to the org admin? |
| 00:09.10 | tangocharlie | olly: how should I do that? |
| 00:09.45 | olly | spectie: ^ |
| 00:10.46 | olly | i think he's in europe though, so may be asleep currently |
| 00:11.28 | olly | tangocharlie: there are also contact details at http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/google/gci2013/apertium |
| 00:11.35 | tangocharlie | ah, okay. I was looking for spectie earlier. I'll try in the morning perhaps |
| 00:13.27 | tangocharlie | thanks for the help! I've been on their irc, which has been very helpful as well, but not many people are on atm |
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| 00:44.34 | firespeaker | olly: he's talked to us (I'm also an org admin for apertium) |
| 00:44.38 | firespeaker | olly: is there anything we can do? |
| 00:45.01 | firespeaker | olly: we're happy to give it back to him, but we have no idea how |
| 00:45.08 | olly | firespeaker: i guess the gci ui doesn't let you at this point? |
| 00:45.17 | olly | has never admin-ed GCI |
| 00:45.20 | firespeaker | that's why I told him to ask here :( |
| 00:45.23 | olly | aha |
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| 00:45.42 | olly | well, you could ask the people in #melange |
| 00:45.48 | firespeaker | okay, I'll try that |
| 00:46.03 | olly | or just factor in this missing task when you evaluate which two students to pick |
| 00:46.24 | olly | AIUI, it's up to the org to pick 2 out of the top 5 scoring students |
| 00:46.42 | firespeaker | I think this task made the difference for him between a tshirt or not |
| 00:46.45 | firespeaker | so it's not up to us :( |
| 00:46.50 | olly | ah |
| 00:49.40 | olly | firespeaker: if that's the main issue, you could email sttaylor see if she's OK to send a t-shirt anyway |
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| 00:50.27 | firespeaker | wb spectie |
| 00:50.31 | firespeaker | olly: maybe |
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| 12:46.33 | yomanurock | im a participant in gci 2013 |
| 12:46.48 | yomanurock | im doing a task and my deadline is extended by 1 day |
| 12:47.02 | yomanurock | but also, gci is ending at 9 am UTC |
| 12:47.42 | yomanurock | so, will i be allowed to complete the task (if it does not get approved) or will i have to give it up? |
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| 12:48.44 | olly | yomanurock: i'd expect the end of GCI deadline will win |
| 12:49.00 | olly | i.e. everything stops then |
| 12:49.13 | yomanurock | k thx |
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| 18:43.44 | MegaAlex | hey sttaylor! Are there going to be special GCI certificates for the grand prize finalists like last year? :) |
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| 18:44.51 | sttaylor | MegaAlex: Hello. Yes, there will be special certificates indicating that the student is a Grand Prize finalist. |
| 18:45.26 | MegaAlex | Okie, thanks for the answer! :) |
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| 18:51.33 | sttaylor | MegaAlex: you are very welcome |
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| 20:13.16 | firespeaker | hi sttaylor |
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| 20:14.00 | firespeaker | I just got your email, don't know about Thatcher |
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| 20:22.20 | sttaylor | Hi fire speaker, it looks like the Melange guys are trying to work on it but we have to wait for Thatcher to get home from school. It looks like we can fix it without your assistance. |
| 20:22.32 | sttaylor | firespeaker: thanks for getting online though. : ) |
| 20:23.02 | firespeaker | okay, I'll hang out here just in case, it's just another tab in my IRC program |
| 20:24.58 | sttaylor | cool, thanks |
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| 20:53.29 | firespeaker | we're getting multiple students upset that they can't submit their tasks even though it's reporting plenty of time remaining |
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| 20:58.26 | asko12_ | <sttaylor> are you here? |
| 20:58.50 | sttaylor | asko12: hello, yes |
| 20:59.28 | sttaylor | firespeaker: the contest ended at 17:00 UTC today |
| 21:00.10 | sttaylor | firespeaker: do you mean that their task said 3 days to work on it and they only claimed it yesterday or something? so they thought that had that much time left? |
| 21:00.28 | asko12_ | <sttaylor> i had a task to translate from macedonian to bulgarian, and i have 35 hours remaining for the task, i`m ready but the code in sompetition is over and soe people said that i can`t send my task, but if i don`t have at least one task completed, i won`t pass the semester |
| 21:01.37 | firespeaker | sttaylor: yes |
| 21:01.57 | sttaylor | going to the GCI homepage the timeline has been showing how much time is left in the contest the whole time |
| 21:02.18 | firespeaker | asko12_: I think the task was a transfer dictionary, not translation? |
| 21:02.36 | asko12_ | <firespeaker> aw yes my mistake |
| 21:02.47 | firespeaker | sttaylor: I guess people didn't think to check there |
| 21:03.04 | sttaylor | we have sent out multiple emails to the discussion lists and the G+ pages telling students we were in the final days of the contest and re-iterating how much time they had to claim tasks and all work had to be submitted by 17:00 Jan 6th |
| 21:03.09 | firespeaker | when they saw that it said "2 days left" on their task |
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| 21:03.46 | firespeaker | are all registered students in those groups? |
| 21:03.57 | sttaylor | unfortunately the contest is over, if they didn't submit their work before the contest ended there isn't anything we can do. |
| 21:05.34 | asko12_ | <sttaylor> so i won`t pass the semester because of this misunderstanding |
| 21:05.45 | firespeaker | sttaylor: what about the one student who didn't click "submit work", but had uploaded it to svn? |
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| 21:06.43 | sttaylor | no, all students are not on the list. students need to be aware of the deadlines and if they don't read the rules or look at the timeline there isn't anything I can do about it |
| 21:07.11 | firespeaker | asko12_: doing only one task right at the end isn't a sure way to make sure you've passed the one task needed for your course |
| 21:08.05 | sttaylor | firespeaker: that student reached out to us yesterday before the contest ended to tell us about his mistake and that is a different situation that we are working on |
| 21:08.28 | asko12_ | <firespeaker> yeah, but when you`re 17 years old, you live on your own, work and study at the same and travel all the time it`s not that easy right ? |
| 21:09.05 | firespeaker | sttaylor: no, I mean the one who sent you a message a little earlier, who'd uploaded his work to svn last night and went to bed thinking he still had 2½ days to click the submit button |
| 21:09.47 | firespeaker | asko12_: yeah :( |
| 21:10.30 | sttaylor | asko12_: unfortunately there are deadlines that have to be met, sorry. |
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| 21:11.10 | asko12_ | <sttaylor> and all the work i did and all of the time i spend is for nothing ? |
| 21:12.00 | asko12_ | <sttaylor> what shoud i do when on the timeline is writing 2 hours (fer example) till the deadline and for my task there are 40 hours left ? what should i believe. . . |
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| 21:12.37 | firespeaker | asko12_: we would be happy to review your task and tell your teacher that you completed it |
| 21:12.41 | asko12_ | <sttaylor> i won`t pass the semester and i will have to repeat the year because of this . . ? |
| 21:12.52 | firespeaker | asko12_: but I'm not sure anything can be done from the GCI side of things |
| 21:13.12 | firespeaker | sttaylor: the deadlines in melange are a bit misleading |
| 21:13.16 | asko12_ | <firespeaker> okay, thats an option too, thansk for the understanding :) |
| 21:13.29 | firespeaker | "you have 20 hours to submit the task" when there's only one hour :\ |
| 21:13.57 | sttaylor | asko12_: if you read the rules you would know the contest ended on January 6th at 17:00 UTC. |
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| 21:14.17 | sttaylor | it sounds like fire speaker's nice offer is something you should follow up with them on |
| 21:14.25 | asko12_ | <firespeaker> http://pastebin.com/j0FiLpk5 here is my task and i really appreciate тхат |
| 21:14.35 | asko12_ | that* |
| 21:14.54 | firespeaker | asko12_: I think spectie needs to review it; we should continue this conversation in #apertium |
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| 21:16.25 | sushain | sttaylor: yes, the contest rules do specify that the contest ends at such time. they also specify that I can submit my task within the given time limit, no? |
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| 21:17.51 | sttaylor | sushain: all work had to be submitted by 17:00 UTC today, January 6th. If the given time limit of 3 days, etc is before January 6th at 17:00 UTC yes |
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| 21:20.35 | sushain | sttaylor: I understand. My concern is that such a declaration is not present in the offical contest rules (unless I am missing something). As such, I followed the most specific resource available to me - the time remaining counter on the task page. |
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| 21:37.17 | sttaylor | sushain: it looks like you have been very active in GCI 13, great job. |
| 21:37.34 | sushain | sttaylor: thank you :) |
| 21:38.14 | tangocharlie | sttaylor: I've got the file ready for upload on that task |
| 21:39.33 | sttaylor | sushain: I am sorry if you were confused about what the end of the contest meant. Yes, students could claim tasks up until Sunday, Jan 5th at 17:00 UTC. But then the work for those tasks had to be submitted before Monday, January 6th at 17:00 UTC when the contest ended for students and the system closed off for any edits by students. |
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| 21:47.14 | sushain | sttaylor: ok, I understand. I would greatly appreciate it if in the future this was clarified in the official rules and/or if the semantics of the task timer were slightly modified so that there aren't any other misunderstandings where a student can't be credited for their work. |
| 21:48.41 | sttaylor | sushain: I do see why you were confused and we will work on fixing the timer or having a note or something that goes out to all students with a task claimed 24 hours before the end of the contest to remind them they must submit their work by the contest deadline - disregarding what the task time itself says |
| 21:49.01 | sushain | thank you |
| 21:49.20 | sushain | sorry for the trouble |
| 21:49.33 | sttaylor | sttaylor: it's okay, sorry for the confusion. |
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| 21:58.04 | firespeaker | sttaylor: looks like the Thatcher's task is now as expected; we'll review it soon. thanks! |
| 21:58.20 | sttaylor | firespeaker: great, thanks. |
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| 22:04.19 | tangocharlie | sttaylor and firespeaker: thanks so much for helping me out! |
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| 22:04.51 | sttaylor | tangocharlie: you are very welcome. |
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