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| 13:21.02 | neo1691 | Hello Everyone!! |
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| 14:27.29 | iguano | http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/ |
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| 14:35.48 | kai | no, thanks |
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| 14:36.39 | kai | hey jkridner |
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| 14:38.30 | jkridner | hi kais58 |
| 14:38.33 | jkridner | hi kai |
| 14:38.48 | jkridner | hope the Summit was fun |
| 14:38.53 | jkridner | is fun? |
| 14:38.54 | kai | jkridner: I didn't go :) |
| 14:38.56 | jkridner | this weekend or last? |
| 14:39.02 | jkridner | I think it was last weekend |
| 14:39.04 | kai | last weekend, iirc |
| 14:39.35 | kai | how's life in beagle-land? |
| 14:40.49 | jkridner | pretty good... |
| 14:41.05 | jkridner | trying to shop around for other default distros. |
| 14:41.15 | paultag | Debian! :) |
| 14:41.45 | jkridner | if the upstream support is good, then Debian is probably the community choice. |
| 14:41.55 | jkridner | Fedora seems to have a bit of a lead on upstream adoption. |
| 14:41.59 | paultag | What's the arm processor used? |
| 14:41.59 | kai | paultag: I'm not too excited about debian on arm systems, though of course beagles are armv7, so they should be pretty decent |
| 14:42.06 | paultag | Word |
| 14:42.14 | paultag | kai: we had a tough call to make wrt hardfloat |
| 14:42.22 | paultag | the issue with raspi is it's before the hf abi was in the spec |
| 14:42.25 | paultag | alas |
| 14:42.33 | paultag | which is why raspbian exists, which has tons of DDs on it |
| 14:42.43 | kai | paultag: no, I'm miffed about my arm5 boards |
| 14:42.50 | paultag | doesn't armel work on v5? |
| 14:42.59 | jkridner | yeah, we don't want to be on a massive fork... we want to pull from the main repos. |
| 14:43.00 | paultag | I thought that was v5+ |
| 14:43.12 | paultag | jkridner: armv7 is the armhf port |
| 14:43.17 | paultag | so, it's already done |
| 14:43.26 | jkridner | likes that |
| 14:43.31 | kai | paultag: it's been a while, I'm running archlinux arm on them at the moment |
| 14:43.41 | paultag | kai: I'm pretty sure armel supports v5 |
| 14:43.45 | jkridner | still, we need to get the bootloader, kernel and "experience" packages in there. |
| 14:43.55 | paultag | uboot is in the archives |
| 14:43.58 | paultag | and rolling debs is easy |
| 14:43.59 | kai | jkridner: rob nelson still playing with beagles? |
| 14:44.02 | jkridner | I think the uboot is old. |
| 14:44.22 | jkridner | kai: yup. he's been rebasing the kernel patches off of the 3.12-rcX mainline lately. |
| 14:44.24 | paultag | unstable |
| 14:44.24 | paultag | save 2013.10-2 |
| 14:44.29 | paultag | jkridner: looks recent to me |
| 14:44.33 | paultag | [2013-10-21] Accepted 2013.10-2 in unstable (low) (Vagrant Cascadian) |
| 14:44.58 | jkridner | Ah, we've been chatting with Vagrant, which might be why it is there. :) |
| 14:45.06 | paultag | problem solved :) |
| 14:45.14 | jkridner | mainline support for BeagleBone is good since at least 2013.03 |
| 14:45.17 | olasd | armel is supposed to run on armv4t processors |
| 14:45.19 | jkridner | or so |
| 14:45.21 | paultag | olasd++ |
| 14:45.29 | paultag | also ohai |
| 14:46.15 | kai | jkridner: I guess if you want to get off angstrom, debian is a good choice because it will work just like the system they might know from their raspian |
| 14:46.44 | paultag | raspbian isn't a good choice for v7, only v6 + hardfloat (like raspi) |
| 14:46.54 | jkridner | right. |
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| 14:46.55 | paultag | which is the only reason it exists; plugwash and friends are DDs |
| 14:47.07 | paultag | we just didn't want to support legacy hardware in a modern port |
| 14:47.10 | paultag | (armhf) |
| 14:47.11 | kai | paultag: right, but for the users, debian on a beaglebone will feel like raspian |
| 14:47.24 | paultag | Ah, look and feel wise |
| 14:47.24 | paultag | yeah |
| 14:47.26 | jkridner | That's the Adafruit feedback... they'd rather have Debian so they can apply the same answers as they give the R-Pi folks. |
| 14:47.28 | olasd | (except you'll get ipv6 out of the box *cough*) |
| 14:47.37 | paultag | olasd++ |
| 14:47.48 | kai | olasd: the rpi doesn't do ipv6? |
| 14:48.06 | olasd | kai: raspbian has disabled ipv6 by default :/ |
| 14:48.21 | kai | olasd: or do I just need a "modprobe ipv6"? |
| 14:48.27 | kai | oh well |
| 14:48.29 | olasd | rationale is "nobody uses that and it takes ram" |
| 14:48.33 | kai | right |
| 14:48.34 | paultag | "takes ram" |
| 14:49.03 | paultag | I ♥ my rpi, and I love the raspbian folks |
| 14:49.05 | kai | I turned down the graphics card ram as much as possible, so I should have the few kilobytes to spare |
| 14:49.06 | paultag | but yeah, that's nuts. |
| 14:49.25 | kai | jkridner: oh, and btw, thanks a bunch for bonescript. it's awesome :) |
| 14:49.29 | jkridner | I think I heard there isn't a node.js package for Debian |
| 14:49.33 | paultag | nodejs |
| 14:49.35 | paultag | there is. |
| 14:49.39 | jkridner | k. cool. |
| 14:49.39 | paultag | http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nodejs.html |
| 14:49.40 | kai | jkridner: it's a bit... aged |
| 14:49.45 | paultag | Uh? |
| 14:49.48 | paultag | [2013-10-19] Accepted 0.10.21~dfsg1-1 in unstable (low) (Jérémy Lal) |
| 14:49.51 | paultag | you guys |
| 14:49.52 | kai | paultag: probably not in unstable :) |
| 14:49.58 | jkridner | 0.10 is pretty recent |
| 14:50.01 | paultag | it is. |
| 14:50.11 | paultag | node is old ham software; the package is nodejs |
| 14:50.13 | jkridner | I still hack on 0.6 and 0.8 frequently |
| 14:50.23 | paultag | if you also install nodejs-legacy, it'll add a symlink to the node bianry name |
| 14:50.25 | paultag | binary* |
| 14:50.26 | olasd | also |
| 14:50.26 | olasd | 14:20:00 <BTS> nodejs 0.10.20~dfsg1-1~bpo7+1 uploaded to wheezy-backports by Mike Gabriel (sunweaver) http://packages.qa.debian.org/nodejs |
| 14:50.33 | paultag | +1 |
| 14:50.44 | kai | paultag: no, I mean in stable nodejs is a bit oldish |
| 14:50.48 | paultag | kai: see above |
| 14:50.51 | kai | but yes, backports |
| 14:51.00 | kai | I just built my own |
| 14:51.04 | olasd | :) |
| 14:51.07 | paultag | and you're totally free to do that :) |
| 14:51.14 | paultag | but it's not like you can't get a modern node on stable |
| 14:51.22 | paultag | I hate when people make such claims :) |
| 14:51.27 | jkridner | needs to install http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.com.br/p/machinekit_16.html this weekend and give Debian a real try.... always seems to fall in the cracks in my daily plans |
| 14:51.49 | kai | paultag: ok, so what I did was apt-cache show nodejs, and then just built my own |
| 14:51.56 | paultag | add backports to your sources |
| 14:51.59 | kai | I didn't check backports :) |
| 14:52.11 | paultag | it's pin'd below the stable archive, so it won't install from backports normally |
| 14:52.16 | paultag | but apt-cache will show it |
| 14:52.24 | kai | fair enough |
| 14:52.32 | paultag | you'd just have to -t wheezy-backports to apt |
| 14:52.38 | paultag | or whatever it is (I use sid) |
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| 14:54.15 | kai | paultag: I used to run sid, but I got a bit wary when I managed to upgrade during a 30 minute window where "base" resorted /etc/passwd columns |
| 14:54.50 | kai | or whatever package it was that thought to resort /etc/passwd |
| 14:54.54 | paultag | such things happen, some maintainers make interesting decisions |
| 14:55.08 | paultag | it's usually fixed quickly / before it enters testing |
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| 14:56.16 | kai | yeah, 30 minute window, as I said |
| 14:56.21 | paultag | word |
| 14:56.29 | paultag | burn the maintainer |
| 14:57.07 | kai | I basically was just done updating when someone on ircnet #debian said "uhm, don't update right now, something is eating /etc/passwd" |
| 14:57.12 | paultag | hahaha |
| 14:57.30 | paultag | it's violently against policy to do so |
| 14:58.04 | kai | that was years back, but still close enough a call to stop me from running unstable in production :) |
| 14:58.13 | paultag | oh yeah, god yeah |
| 14:58.27 | kai | hey, I was young and wanted the latest software |
| 14:58.34 | paultag | my VPSs are unstable :) |
| 14:58.41 | paultag | but I treat them as just more computers |
| 14:58.53 | paultag | I cross-upgraded one from 32 bit to 64 bit while it was running (linode) |
| 14:58.55 | kai | also that was before debian managed to get their act together and release bi-yearly |
| 15:01.04 | olasd | (kinda) |
| 15:01.11 | kai | well, close enough |
| 15:02.19 | kai | of course, I'm switching a lot of my services to use LXC (or docker) these days, so having the latest, greatest software can happen without risking the host :) |
| 15:03.22 | kai | paultag: I guess I should give the armel port another try on my shevaplug. that system needs an update anyway |
| 15:03.32 | paultag | :) |
| 15:04.36 | kai | anyway, time to get going |
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| 15:04.50 | kai | thanks for the chat, that was very interesting :) |
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| 19:27.19 | ace_striker | did anyone noticed changes in GSoC timeline.. |
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| 20:09.05 | Guest17617 | Are there monetary prizes for GCI this year? |
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| 20:09.20 | meflin | money piffle |
| 20:09.27 | meflin | I have a Tshirt |
| 20:09.41 | meflin | and bragging rights |
| 20:10.09 | Guest17617 | back in 2010 we got money AND a tshirt |
| 20:10.19 | Guest17617 | AND bragging rights |
| 20:10.27 | Guest17617 | i miss the old days |
| 20:11.09 | meflin | well for GSOC i've never got any $'s ;) |
| 20:11.48 | ace_striker | it seems like meflin is talking to himself !! |
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| 20:12.14 | meflin | ace_striker: fine fine ... I dont know :P |
| 20:13.06 | Guest17617 | Is there any way to convince the nice people at Google to bring back monetary prizes? :p |
| 20:13.28 | thiago | give them more money |
| 20:13.32 | meflin | you could ask :) |
| 20:13.39 | thiago | click on those ads on the google searches :-) |
| 20:13.57 | ace_striker | on youtube too |
| 20:15.04 | Guest17617 | who do I ask for the moneys? |
| 20:15.36 | meflin | you could put in an opinion |
| 20:15.46 | ace_striker | wondering what are bragging rights ? |
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| 20:16.45 | meflin | that is where you throw up your accomplishments and go HOW AWESOME AM I |
| 20:17.29 | ace_striker | technically not rights..just some personification of rights !! |
| 20:17.29 | meflin | like best year ever 100% student sucess! or such |
| 20:20.33 | ace_striker | Guest17617: don't ask just convince |
| 20:22.54 | ace_striker | IMO |
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| 20:33.40 | blast007 | Guest17617: when they got rid of the monetary prizes, they also doubled the number of grand prize winners |
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| 21:01.41 | Guest17617 | where can i convince such that i will be heard? |
| 21:02.06 | meflin | well first you would need a convincing argument |
| 21:02.20 | Guest17617 | moneys is good? |
| 21:02.37 | meflin | no problems getting students without $ |
| 21:03.11 | gevaerts | I seem to remember many organisations being happier with the general style of students they got after money was out |
| 21:03.13 | Guest17617 | but there were more students when there was moneys |
| 21:03.22 | Guest17617 | oh fari enough |
| 21:03.25 | Guest17617 | *fair |
| 21:05.28 | Guest17617 | but I mean you still had to work fairly hard for the money. I don't know, I felt like I had more to show for my time and accomplishments when i received an awesome-looking credit card from google... |
| 21:06.19 | meflin | yet I for years have done GSOC ( months long ) for $0 |
| 21:06.25 | meflin | and I'm not alone |
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| 21:08.33 | meflin | not everyone is motivated by $ |
| 21:08.39 | Guest17617 | but (from what I gather) GSOC has much more "credit" to show for it, i.e. you can say "I attended this thing over the summer" and put that on your CV or whatever |
| 21:08.51 | Guest17617 | unless I'm wrong |
| 21:09.07 | meflin | I'm not a student :) |
| 21:09.09 | gevaerts | You can put GCI on your CV as well if you like |
| 21:09.13 | meflin | that 2 |
| 21:09.34 | Guest17617 | hmmm |
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| 21:10.59 | Guest17617 | ok well thanks for the advice! still not sure if I'll be doing it... :p |
| 21:11.23 | meflin | based on that I wouldn't want you for my projects |
| 21:12.57 | Guest17617 | haha yeah I can imagine! I guess if I feel my holidays are best spent doing other things then they probably are best spent doing other things! might try next year when I'm less busy... |
| 21:13.45 | meflin | you can do what you want ... but for an example a OSS project I've contributed to for a zillion years no one ever gets $ |
| 21:14.01 | meflin | there isn't even a way for that project to handle $ |
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| 21:17.08 | Guest17617 | no yeah i totally get the fact that supporting the community is much more rewarding than mere moneys. I've enjoyed that experience a lot. Was just hoping that Google might be able to compensate again this year coz while its nice to do something you love, its even nicer to get paid for it :p |
| 21:17.53 | Guest17617 | but yeah if they were getting bad students then that totally makes sense. |
| 21:18.12 | meflin | you would be amazed what $500 gets |
| 21:18.41 | Guest17617 | how much or how little? |
| 21:19.02 | Guest17617 | oh you mean the type of student... |
| 21:19.10 | Guest17617 | im confused |
| 21:19.36 | meflin | how many students are in it to scam |
| 21:20.03 | Guest17617 | oh right. pesky high schoolers... |
| 21:20.20 | meflin | my view of that is from GSOC - collage |
| 21:21.28 | gevaerts | Well, there is the fact that tranlation tasks are out these days |
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| 22:13.17 | Watusimoto | hey arc, do we need to sign up as mentors again? |
| 22:28.25 | brlcad | Watusimoto: orgs selections haven't been made yet (applications haven't even closed yet) |
| 22:29.32 | Watusimoto | ah, I see |
| 22:29.39 | Watusimoto | hence the need for the task list |
| 22:29.42 | Watusimoto | by monday |
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