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| 16:22.34 | carols | happy friday, downey :-) |
| 16:23.32 | downey | carols: happy Friday to you too! |
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| 16:30.13 | sroe | hi |
| 16:30.19 | carols | hi sroe |
| 16:30.59 | sroe | Does the number of lines of code that I submit to melange will matter to my evaluation ? |
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| 16:32.13 | JordiGH | sroe: No. That would be kind of silly, though. Some programming languages are more verbose than others. |
| 16:32.35 | JordiGH | lol? http://bash.org/?946461 |
| 16:32.41 | scorche|sh | austin.appelWZhnw$445 |
| 16:32.48 | scorche|sh | oh, poo |
| 16:33.02 | JordiGH | Time to update your passwords? |
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| 16:33.23 | scorche|sh | thats the nice thing about using unique passwords - time to change a single password which is already done ;) |
| 16:33.38 | scorche|sh | well, randomly-generated unique passwords |
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| 16:38.30 | sroe | JordiGH, who will decide if I have successfully completed the program ? |
| 16:38.51 | JordiGH | sroe: Your mentor. She should provide clear guidelines on what constitutes as "passing". |
| 16:39.55 | sroe | ok |
| 16:39.59 | sroe | She ? |
| 16:40.02 | sroe | it's a he |
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| 16:49.38 | somaen | sroe: It's common to pick a gender randomly, and interchange between them, that way you don't presuppose the gender of an unknown person. |
| 16:50.14 | somaen | For lack of a gender neutral pronoun in english that can be used about people. |
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| 16:50.43 | somaen | The other option is to consistently write "he/she" |
| 16:51.57 | sroe | I thought the "he" would be used, and not picked randomly |
| 16:52.04 | sroe | but Ok, nice to know |
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| 16:58.18 | somaen | The entire thing might be more complex in other languages (where there are other pronouns, or where nouns themselves have gender), to what extent I'm not sure. |
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| 17:17.25 | notdan | I just call everyone 'she' until I stand corrected |
| 17:18.15 | sroe | notdan, but in the bible is always written as 'he' |
| 17:19.17 | JordiGH | sroe: You'll find me very disrespectful of the Bible. |
| 17:19.22 | notdan | dunno never read the book |
| 17:20.30 | jjs1 | This section in a Wikipedia article has a quote from a from an English usage guide that says "[singular they is] an element of common usage": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they#Gender-neutral_language_movement |
| 17:20.49 | jjs1 | Using 'they' might save you some trouble. :-) |
| 17:20.53 | downey | ##English is that way --> |
| 17:20.54 | downey | :-) |
| 17:21.08 | jjs1 | downey: Ooooh, that exists? |
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| 17:28.06 | downey | jjs1: mhm :) |
| 17:29.21 | jjs1 | downey: the comment above, " ... lack of a gender neutral pronoun in english", started it. :-) |
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| 17:29.51 | jjs1 | Perhaps by posting that link I've nipped an unproductive conversation in the bud. :-D |
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| 18:15.41 | agliodbs | the limit per mentor for GSOC summit is $1100 + 2 nights hotel, correct? |
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| 18:24.47 | downey | agliodbs: it's $2200 per org, divided however necessary for both attendees. and the $2200 does not include the 2 nights per person. |
| 18:25.14 | agliodbs | downey: ok, thanks! |
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| 18:25.54 | downey | agliodbs: also worth noting that the amount isn't allowed to cover additional hotel nights either |
| 18:26.08 | agliodbs | downey: wait, explain? |
| 18:26.26 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: if you spend less than 2200 dollar you can not invoice 2200 dollar |
| 18:26.28 | agliodbs | downey: FYI, I'm SPI admin, so I'm enforcing the google rules on our members. So I need to understandthem ... |
| 18:26.32 | Ivanovic | spend for travel that is |
| 18:26.42 | downey | agliodbs: as in, if someone wanted to stay an extra night at wild palms, the cost of that extra night can't be included in the $2200 reimbursement. |
| 18:26.44 | sroe | students are not allowed to go ? |
| 18:26.51 | Ivanovic | sroe: correct |
| 18:26.58 | downey | sroe: to the mentor summit? no, otherwise they'd have to rename them |
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| 18:27.11 | agliodbs | downey: oh, so any extra hotel nights come out of the mentor's own pocket? |
| 18:27.19 | downey | agliodbs: correct |
| 18:27.24 | sroe | next here I want to be a mentor |
| 18:27.39 | agliodbs | downey: that's a change from last year. I'd better make sure folks are informed |
| 18:27.44 | downey | sroe: mentoring can be just as fun, you should try it! :) |
| 18:27.56 | sroe | :) |
| 18:27.57 | downey | agliodbs: afaik it's not a change but you should check with carols or someone to make sure. :) |
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| 18:28.02 | carols | hmm? |
| 18:28.07 | downey | agliodbs: i may just not understand the policy |
| 18:28.08 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: no, it is no change! |
| 18:28.20 | carols | what's the problem? |
| 18:28.32 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: in the last years it was even "flight only", not the cab from the airport to the hotel (which can now be invoiced!) |
| 18:28.33 | downey | carols: t/f - if someone wanted to stay an extra night at wild palms, the cost of that extra night can't be included in the $2200 reimbursement |
| 18:28.43 | agliodbs | carols: downey was saying that it's prohibited to use any part of the $2200 per org to cover extra hotel stay this year. Is that correct? |
| 18:28.43 | carols | downey: ineed. |
| 18:28.56 | carols | agliodbs: that's correct. that's been the case as long as i've been running the program. |
| 18:29.09 | Ivanovic | carols: it already was the case before you joined |
| 18:29.11 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:29.17 | Ivanovic | feels old now... |
| 18:29.20 | carols | Ivanovic: indeed :-) but i didn't want to speak for leslie. |
| 18:30.13 | Ivanovic | looking forward to seeing you at the summit this year, carols |
| 18:30.25 | carols | Ivanovic: likewise. |
| 18:30.30 | Ivanovic | have you already thought up a new and fancy "say hi to everybody" method? |
| 18:30.32 | downey | lh: hi. :) |
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| 18:30.53 | downey | was not much of a fan of the long greeting queue, although it was a good idea in theory |
| 18:31.06 | carols | Ivanovic: indeed i have! |
| 18:31.15 | carols | Ivanovic: it's going to be extra interesting this year. |
| 18:32.38 | downey | :-) on a related note I was just reading about http://www.unconference.net/unconference-methods-a-strong-wind-blows/ which may not be nearly as extra interesting |
| 18:32.48 | JordiGH | lol :-( https://twitter.com/chort0/status/375872866928979968 |
| 18:33.41 | Ivanovic | carols: now it will be even more hard to wait for the summit |
| 18:33.57 | Ivanovic | but at least i got some business travel and vacation time before this years summit vacations start |
| 18:34.21 | carols | Ivanovic: i'll be curious to see what you think this year. |
| 18:34.34 | Ivanovic | still no seatshirt instead of t-shirt? |
| 18:34.37 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:34.44 | Ivanovic | ehm, sweatshirt |
| 18:34.50 | carols | nope. |
| 18:34.55 | downey | mentorSummitPants++ |
| 18:35.03 | carols | i guess you'll just have to suffer with the rest of the attendees with your other free stuff. |
| 18:35.24 | downey | i have to say I've really been enjoying my GSoCks from OSCON. :-) |
| 18:35.31 | carols | downey: glad to hear it! |
| 18:35.49 | agliodbs | downey: damn! I missed those |
| 18:37.04 | Ivanovic | carols: oh, i am enjoying the t-shirts, i tend to wear a gosc shirt each day of the week, still, winter is coming |
| 18:37.23 | Ivanovic | and for that time clothing is lacking the gsoc branding... |
| 18:37.25 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:37.26 | carols | Ivanovic: yes, well, i guess you'll have to use your mentor stipend to buy yourself a sweatshirt then. |
| 18:37.51 | Ivanovic | nah, the mentor money goes to the org to e.g. support our server infrastructure |
| 18:38.19 | Ivanovic | or to help fund something like our art stipendids we have done in the past |
| 18:38.31 | downey | carols: would the logo's cc-by-nc-nd license allow people making their own GSoC sweatshirt? |
| 18:38.58 | carols | downey: assuming they didn't modify the logo in any way and didn't make any money from the sweatshirts, yes. |
| 18:39.06 | downey | problem solved. :) |
| 18:39.56 | carols | downey: ah, but Ivanovic needs something to complain about :-) |
| 18:40.03 | carols | and ponies weren't working. |
| 18:40.17 | downey | complains about the lack of chocolate |
| 18:40.28 | Ivanovic | yeah, bringing meat products to germany is so difficult... |
| 18:40.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:40.39 | agliodbs | downey: you haven't been to a mentor summit, have you? |
| 18:40.54 | downey | agliodbs: i have, just not enough chocolate for my tastes :P |
| 18:41.01 | agliodbs | that's impressive |
| 18:41.01 | downey | imagines there will be extra kit kat bars this year |
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| 18:41.33 | Ivanovic | downey: there were no jellybeans or icecream sandwiches in the last years |
| 18:41.34 | Ivanovic | :( |
| 18:41.53 | Ivanovic | or did i just miss those? |
| 18:41.53 | downey | Ivanovic: i brought several pounds of chocolate-flavored jelly belly jelly beans last year. :) |
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| 18:43.00 | agliodbs | chocolate: http://fuzzychef.smugmug.com/Computers/Misc-Web-Pictures/11961613_HzqSFC#!i=1551983541&k=7BdSSKM |
| 18:43.30 | carols | i love how marty looks ded of chocolate in that picture. |
| 18:44.29 | agliodbs | carols: feel free to use that to promote the chocolate exchange ... |
| 18:44.32 | Ivanovic | is that pic from last year or the year before? |
| 18:44.44 | carols | agliodbs: not my job :-) that's rob's arena. |
| 18:44.48 | Ivanovic | probably last year because i can't find the mountains of ritter sport... |
| 18:45.00 | agliodbs | Ivanovic: 2011, I think |
| 18:45.09 | agliodbs | but might be 2012 |
| 18:49.12 | scorche|sh | really needs to find a way to get back to the Mentor Summit |
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| 19:10.51 | downey | brews tea |
| 19:11.18 | carols | thanks downey |
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| 19:16.02 | notdan | yay tea :) |
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| 19:24.41 | carols | wonders again why she writes emails |
| 19:24.47 | carols | no one reads them anyway. |
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| 19:25.31 | gmcharlt | carols: practice for the Next Great Novel? |
| 19:25.39 | carols | gmcharlt: i guess so. |
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| 19:26.41 | lh | downey: greetings! |
| 19:27.53 | summatusmentis | it's an lh |
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| 19:32.23 | d33tah | carols: just had the idea - perhaps it would be better to leave the mailing list just for the announcements from you and create some forum instead, like phpbb? |
| 19:32.40 | carols | d33tah: the mailing list meaning the student or the mentor list? |
| 19:32.47 | d33tah | the student one |
| 19:32.55 | carols | d33tah: why not just filter? |
| 19:33.03 | d33tah | i'm under the impression that many people are using it for the first time |
| 19:33.17 | d33tah | personally, i don't care that much, because i already filter it into a separate gmail directory |
| 19:33.23 | carols | well, we do have new additions each year, that's true. |
| 19:33.32 | carols | but i don't see how that affects the function of the list. |
| 19:33.54 | d33tah | i meant that many people are using any mailing list whatsoever for the first time |
| 19:34.08 | carols | fair enough, sounds like a nice lesson for them :-) |
| 19:34.15 | d33tah | and perhaps just don't know that mailing actually causes a thousand mails to be sent :p |
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| 19:34.27 | d33tah | and i'd guess that way more people are familiar with forums |
| 19:34.44 | d33tah | (just thought i'd share the thought) |
| 19:34.50 | carols | i think that's something folks should work to improve if it bothers them. the power is in their hands! they just have to learn how to wield it. |
| 19:34.58 | carols | besides, we appreciate self-directed learners here. |
| 19:35.18 | d33tah | well, okay ;) |
| 19:35.27 | carols | :-) |
| 19:35.42 | d33tah | is getting back to coding ;) |
| 19:35.50 | d33tah | thanks for the quick reply! |
| 19:36.07 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 19:36.32 | carols | everyone else seems to want to ask me questions that are answered in my emails, so i appreciate the change of pace. |
| 19:37.41 | d33tah | it's one of things one has to get used to |
| 19:37.50 | d33tah | that his question was probably already answered somewhere |
| 19:38.16 | carols | it's true. you'd think after running this program for 4 years I would've gotten used to it. |
| 19:39.10 | d33tah | i'm not sure if it's the best advice, but i think that being a bit harsh and just pointing to some document changes habits quite effectively |
| 19:39.13 | carols | and you'd also think that after all this time i would've figured out that adding to the documentation does not, in fact, produce less work for me. |
| 19:39.30 | d33tah | mind a bit of feedback? |
| 19:39.42 | carols | sure, you think i should link to documents more? |
| 19:39.46 | d33tah | less. |
| 19:39.59 | d33tah | imho, the amount of data feels overwhelming |
| 19:40.10 | d33tah | i'm not sure if everyone works the same way i do |
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| 19:40.14 | carols | yeah, i guess i'm pretty crazy in that way. i keep adding to the documentation and quoting from it more. |
| 19:40.34 | d33tah | but i like it when after some arbitrary limit things start to get categorized |
| 19:40.52 | d33tah | i mean, the FAQ's starting to be a document one might find hard to read all at once |
| 19:41.17 | carols | maybe i should just get rid of them. |
| 19:41.20 | d33tah | it's actually one of things that made me enter the program so late, i was putting it away many times... because i didn't really understand what it's about |
| 19:41.21 | carols | i'll think about that. |
| 19:41.48 | carols | i guess i'm doing it wrong. |
| 19:41.50 | d33tah | getting answers is great, but perhaps the form should be a bit more structured |
| 19:41.59 | d33tah | well, carols, you're generally doing a brilliant job |
| 19:42.27 | d33tah | one of things that impresses me and my friend is your response time - we were actually wondering if you're really one person. |
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| 19:42.48 | d33tah | and keep in mind that you can't please everyone ;) |
| 19:43.20 | carols | if i'm really one person? |
| 19:43.30 | carols | i bet my friends would be surprised to hear that question. |
| 19:44.33 | d33tah | I mean, whether all mail signed by Carol Smith is actually really from Carol Smith ;) |
| 19:44.50 | carols | otherwise that would mean my email had been hacked? |
| 19:44.55 | carols | i assure you it hasn't. |
| 19:45.12 | d33tah | well, it was a half-joke |
| 19:45.25 | d33tah | it's just that when my friend mails you and always get a response within two minutes... |
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| 19:45.32 | d33tah | one starts to wonder, you know ;) |
| 19:45.52 | carols | wonder if it get paid to respond to email? |
| 19:45.57 | carols | yeah, i wonder that too sometimes. |
| 19:46.14 | d33tah | well, i bet you are, but the question is whether you're paid 24h a day :P |
| 19:46.52 | carols | nope! i get 8 solid hours of sleep a night and i almost never work weekends. my job is not my life :-) |
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| 19:47.14 | d33tah | sounds sane ;) |
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| 19:47.48 | carols | well, i'd say i'm insane based on the fact i keep adding to the gsoc every year in the hopes people might read it. |
| 19:48.00 | carols | doing the same behavior over and over expecting a different result.. |
| 19:48.06 | d33tah | adding to the gsoc faq*? |
| 19:48.21 | carols | yes. |
| 19:48.26 | d33tah | as I said |
| 19:48.32 | d33tah | having loads of answers is great |
| 19:48.44 | d33tah | having them all in one place, without some categories, feels a bit overwhelming to me |
| 19:49.04 | carols | without categories? |
| 19:49.13 | carols | they're anchored, hyperlinked, and divided into sections... |
| 19:49.22 | d33tah | in one big document |
| 19:49.33 | carols | you are suggesting i make the FAQ multiple pages? |
| 19:49.48 | d33tah | well, that's just my idea |
| 19:50.20 | carols | the sad thing is i just might do that in the vain hope that people might read it this time. |
| 19:50.31 | d33tah | one thing is pretty sure |
| 19:50.34 | carols | and it will probably mean another 5 hours of work doing it. |
| 19:50.35 | d33tah | some people never will. |
| 19:50.53 | d33tah | hm |
| 19:51.02 | d33tah | perhaps community could write stuff? |
| 19:51.04 | d33tah | like some wiki? |
| 19:51.11 | carols | you mean the student manual? |
| 19:51.29 | d33tah | GSoC wiki, written by students for students |
| 19:51.31 | d33tah | just a thought |
| 19:51.48 | carols | the student manual is written by students for students. |
| 19:51.49 | carols | http://flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 19:51.55 | carols | and anyone can contribute to a FLOSS manual |
| 19:52.10 | carols | but i imagine no one reads that either. |
| 19:52.13 | carols | sighs |
| 19:52.21 | d33tah | hm |
| 19:52.29 | d33tah | the looks of the page seems familiar |
| 19:52.37 | d33tah | ah! i read it! |
| 19:52.53 | carols | well, i can tell you that you are probably not the problem. |
| 19:52.55 | d33tah | i surely read the "am i good enough" section |
| 19:53.26 | d33tah | i keep pressing on my best friend to apply |
| 19:53.30 | d33tah | quoting him this: |
| 19:53.39 | d33tah | "Do you have some programming experience at the university level? Then, yes, you are good enough!" |
| 19:54.06 | carols | well, some people think it's too good to be true. |
| 19:54.51 | d33tah | he has interesting musical knowledge |
| 19:55.23 | d33tah | projects like musescore, lilypond, audacity, would definitely benefit from his help and he'd have a lesson of the lifetime :D |
| 19:55.40 | d33tah | (and i'm not saying this ironically) |
| 19:56.03 | carols | i agree. i don't understand why more people don't want to participate in gsoc. |
| 19:56.12 | d33tah | hm |
| 19:56.21 | d33tah | would Google handle more guys or would it just increase the competition? |
| 19:56.41 | carols | well, we would handle both men and women. |
| 19:57.25 | d33tah | sorry. |
| 19:57.32 | d33tah | in Polish I don't generally make this kind of mistakes |
| 19:57.49 | carols | sure, we had room for more students than we accepted this year. the orgs didn't seem to have a lot of high-quality applicants. |
| 19:58.25 | kshitij8 | I guess previous gsocer's can help bring in more students via sessions and stuff. |
| 19:58.37 | carols | that would be nice. |
| 19:58.53 | d33tah | hmm |
| 19:59.05 | d33tah | it would be nice to see some posters in my university about GSoC |
| 19:59.08 | kshitij8 | the hardest part I thought was realising its not as hard as it looks and that took me an year. |
| 19:59.10 | d33tah | i wonder if there are some polish ones |
| 19:59.39 | d33tah | kshitij8: lucky you. it took me three years :"P |
| 20:00.33 | kshitij8 | lol. the project ideas can be overwhelming initially, but with awesome mentors they begin to make some sense soon. :) |
| 20:01.21 | d33tah | well, my idea got changed almost completely |
| 20:01.40 | d33tah | and i'm happy about it, because it turns out i had no design knowledge |
| 20:02.16 | d33tah | i wanted to "add Lua to Ncat" and my idea was that Ncat was supposed to have connect mode, listen mode and "lua mode". first question from my mentor - why not make it a separate tool then? |
| 20:06.56 | d33tah | carols, are there some GSoC posters one could download and print? |
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| 20:07.56 | carols | d33tah: sure, these: https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 20:08.47 | d33tah | thanks ;) |
| 20:08.57 | carols | yw |
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| 20:11.26 | jjs1 | d33tah, carols, regarding the FAQ: I've noticed that certain questions are repeated at certain times in the programme. Perhaps the FAQ sections could a set of these times. |
| 20:11.35 | jjs1 | For instance, under the 'mid term eval' section there could be 'am I going to pass?', 'do I need to do anything other than the form?'. |
| 20:12.09 | carols | jjs1: sure, so create sections based on the time of the year? |
| 20:12.11 | jjs1 | (By the by I think the FAQ is already really helpful.) |
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| 20:12.23 | jjs1 | carols: yeah |
| 20:12.29 | d33tah | oh |
| 20:12.33 | d33tah | another question: |
| 20:12.44 | d33tah | "do i really need to fill in the "additional info" field?" |
| 20:13.19 | d33tah | i was really wondering if i won't get kicked out or something for not writing anything there, but i really had nothing to add that i didn't write in my proposal |
| 20:13.43 | d33tah | (though Carol calmed me down when she said "whatever works for you" ;)) |
| 20:13.43 | jjs1 | d33tah: so for example (sorry for diverting away from your point) that question could be in the "after accepted projects are announced". |
| 20:13.53 | d33tah | makes sense. |
| 20:16.22 | jjs1 | Disclaimer: *If* there is actually a probably, then that *may* be a solution-- or not. I'm sure carols knows her job a hundred times better than me. :-) |
| 20:16.41 | jjs1 | s/probably/problem/ |
| 20:16.53 | d33tah | haha! cute bot |
| 20:17.13 | carols | i know my job slightly better, but not much. |
| 20:17.22 | carols | i'm just making it up as i go along most of the time. |
| 20:17.39 | d33tah | so, well, neither me or jjs1 are experts |
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| 20:17.48 | d33tah | perhaps we could somehow do some brainstorming? |
| 20:18.10 | d33tah | i mean, like, across all students |
| 20:19.19 | d33tah | i guess that among 1000 students there's probably someone that is an expert on managing knowledge, doing FAQs and such |
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| 20:20.11 | carols | that would be nice. wish i could delegate out that part of my job. |
| 20:20.24 | jjs1 | When I first went rock-climbing I had to read a big sheet of information (not dissimilar to an FAQ) and then I had to pass a paper test in order be allowed to climb. |
| 20:20.33 | d33tah | and I wish I could help you, carols ;) |
| 20:20.39 | d33tah | personally, I like this kind of stuff |
| 20:20.45 | d33tah | but as I said, i'm far from being an expert |
| 20:21.22 | d33tah | when I wrote my first Ncat-Lua docs, David said that while my English sounds good and way I express things is nice, he also stressed that my choice of things was fundamentally wrong ;'P |
| 20:21.45 | d33tah | jjs1: you mean torturing people into knowing FAQ by heart? |
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| 20:22.27 | jjs1 | d33tah: Err. Not exactly :-) |
| 20:23.19 | jjs1 | And I guess with climbing there's a danger of death, so it's slightly different. :-) |
| 20:23.56 | d33tah | and with asking stupid questions there's a danger of annoying Carol one time too much |
| 20:24.23 | d33tah | probably wouldn't kill, yet I'd rather she didn't burn out or something, I want another GSoC! |
| 20:24.37 | carols | i have infinite patience. |
| 20:24.43 | carols | so there's no danger there. |
| 20:25.04 | jjs1 | Then there's no problem after all! :-) |
| 20:25.14 | carols | i just wish more people would help themselves. |
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| 20:25.59 | d33tah | carols: maybe hide your e-mail address behind the RTFM "support page" like some companies do? ;) |
| 20:26.21 | carols | nice idea, but it wouldn't work. my email address is plastered everywhere on the internet :-) |
| 20:26.27 | d33tah | is your question about t-shirts? or maybe you need to know if you can use your card on e-bay? |
| 20:26.33 | carols | not the least of which is in the logs for this channel :-) |
| 20:26.41 | d33tah | ...none of the above? click *here* for the contact form. |
| 20:26.55 | d33tah | (and there goes the form loading one byte per second) |
| 20:28.41 | jjs1 | carols: Are you saying that you wish people would help themselves-- without you having to resort to one of these ingenious(?) schemes? :-) |
| 20:29.01 | carols | jjs1: mostly yes. |
| 20:29.12 | jjs1 | I guess that's a discussion of sociology. :-) |
| 20:31.01 | carols | i'm just a lowly project manager, i don't get into such lofty discussions ;-) |
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| 20:32.50 | d33tah | http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/09/06/1844243/would-you-tell-people-how-to-crack-your-software |
| 20:33.48 | d33tah | lovely. :D |
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| 20:35.20 | jjs1 | d33tah: I'm going to assume that's unrelated |
| 20:35.29 | d33tah | well, it is |
| 20:36.57 | d33tah | it's just that everything was distracting me from this GDB dump |
| 20:37.19 | d33tah | you know what it's like - similar to cleaning up your room when you're gonna have an exam tomorrow xP |
| 20:38.44 | d33tah | (but i managed to debug it already ;)) |
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| 21:04.59 | chro | hi, is it possible to add the gsoc card to my paypal account? |
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