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| 05:58.18 | Kristoff | Hey, I read a bit about this online, and missed the deadline. Could anyone give me some info so I could try signing up next year? |
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| 06:00.05 | Kristoff | Myself and a good friend of mine have actually been working towards a program, and while I was looking for possible funding sources, I found info about gsoc. Kinda curious to know if they help fund the development, and how much. |
| 06:01.50 | tierra | Kristoff: GSoC helps by providing funds to college students who apply (and are accepted) to work on your open source project (and it does have to be an open source project) |
| 06:03.16 | tierra | it has to be an OSI-approved license btw |
| 06:03.19 | Kristoff | Well. I'm about to be going to college if I can afford it. My friend and I wrote a secure instant messenger that doesn't require dedicated hosting (but has it as an option). Only problem is, I'm on my own and it's not quite the easiest thing to be dedicated to when you're broke. |
| 06:03.29 | Kristoff | OSI? |
| 06:03.36 | tierra | open source initiative |
| 06:03.45 | tierra | http://opensource.org/ |
| 06:04.11 | Kristoff | Ah. Well. That's kinda where we're in a grey area. We need funding. If we get funding, we'll make it open source. But until then, we can't afford to. |
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| 06:04.26 | tierra | well, you won't be able to apply that way |
| 06:04.33 | tierra | so I'd look at resolving that first |
| 06:05.20 | Kristoff | Any ideas of other places to find investors/methods of funding? We did make an indiegogo page, but it's going to take a while to get that going (if it does at all). |
| 06:07.07 | Kristoff | I think we need a kickstarter purely for programming >.> But yeah. They don't let you fund apps. Which, our program is being ported to iOS and Android. So. No luck there. |
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| 16:15.26 | Ch3ck_ | running out |
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| 16:31.27 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:41.28 | jjs1 | is enjoying his GSoC! |
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| 16:42.18 | carols | glad to hear it, jjs1! |
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| 16:43.32 | vvu | +1 to GSoC! |
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| 16:48.35 | harshadura | only 1 week more for OpenMRS gsoc final presentations! duh |
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| 16:58.54 | jjs1 | harshadura: And 3 and a half weeks left till "firm 'pencils down' date", on Sept 23. :-) |
| 16:59.13 | jjs1 | Which is, now that I think about it, the exact same day my new term starts |
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| 17:02.07 | harshadura | jjs1: haha cool |
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| 18:02.46 | Ch3ck_ | wondering why other opportunities at Google like Journalism and Policy Fellowship have a higher pay check that GSoC when we're killing our asses of here coding :( |
| 18:03.19 | Ch3ck_ | Gotta talk to Larry about this :( |
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| 18:04.08 | Ch3ck_ | carols: wondering why other opportunities at Google like Journalism and Policy Fellowship have a higher pay check that GSoC when we're killing our asses of here coding :( |
| 18:04.09 | paultag | Ch3ck_: GSoC is much more casual |
| 18:04.19 | Ch3ck_ | how is that? |
| 18:04.27 | paultag | What do you mean? |
| 18:04.38 | Ch3ck_ | when i update logs every day talk to mentors every day |
| 18:04.44 | Ch3ck_ | 24/7 for 3 months |
| 18:04.50 | carols | Ch3ck_: this is a philanthropic program. |
| 18:04.51 | paultag | You don't have to physically be at Google, and the money is to offset living |
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| 18:05.04 | paultag | and you get to contribute to f/oss |
| 18:05.19 | paultag | it's much more informal, casual |
| 18:05.19 | carols | it's also not meant to replace a job. it's meant to pay you for a contribution that you might have otherwise made for free. |
| 18:05.31 | carols | also, please watch your language. |
| 18:05.32 | Ch3ck_ | paultag: which is harder than being at Mountain View don't you think ;) |
| 18:05.40 | Izak__ | carols: are the other programs not philantropic in that they help governments solve problems |
| 18:05.46 | Izak__ | ? |
| 18:05.53 | paultag | Izak__: see: google.org |
| 18:06.00 | carols | Izak__: which program? the journalism fellowship? |
| 18:06.21 | Izak__ | carols: No, the Policy fellowship |
| 18:06.40 | carols | Izak__: i don't know much about it. so i couldn't say. |
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| 18:07.04 | Izak__ | carols: I think the technical guys are the ones who really make the difference |
| 18:07.10 | paultag | whohwhohwhoh |
| 18:07.17 | paultag | Izak__: that's really way way way ego-centric |
| 18:07.20 | paultag | that's just not true |
| 18:07.29 | paultag | (as a technical guy) |
| 18:07.32 | Izak__ | Because No product in the company and the others really have nothing doing |
| 18:07.33 | paultag | and technical gals can't help? |
| 18:07.40 | carols | Izak__: i think we all make a difference when we contribute. also, women make a difference too. |
| 18:07.52 | carols | me being in that category and all. |
| 18:08.18 | Izak__ | carols: Sure carols. Thisis not about race, gender or anything like that |
| 18:08.24 | dfighter | I don't think gender matters in these stuff |
| 18:08.26 | carols | great, i'm glad to hear it. |
| 18:08.41 | carols | but i'm not technical, so i have to disagree with your assessment even still |
| 18:08.49 | Izak__ | This is really about acknowledging the guys who really bring about changes in the world |
| 18:08.53 | paultag | No. |
| 18:08.56 | paultag | That's just not true. |
| 18:09.01 | Deep_Blue | Ch3ck_: maybe we should appreciate the opportunity and not complain about paychecks. Also, if it weren't for gsoc, a LOT of students would not have been introduced to FOSS world |
| 18:09.20 | Deep_Blue | that alone is very praiseworthy |
| 18:09.25 | carols | Izak__: seeing as i administer the program, i know what it's about. and it's not about that. |
| 18:09.31 | dfighter | GSOC is like free money in a way |
| 18:09.31 | paultag | If you look at good design - good design helps enable people use these tools, marketing lets people understand what the tool does, teachers can help people learn to use the tools |
| 18:09.46 | dfighter | ( as long as you keep up your end of the bargain that is ) |
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| 18:09.56 | dfighter | since you could be doing all this for free |
| 18:09.59 | Izak__ | paultag:Don't think so |
| 18:09.59 | dfighter | many people do |
| 18:10.11 | paultag | Izak__: um? |
| 18:10.17 | paultag | Izak__: You don't have to agree, it's fact |
| 18:10.25 | Ch3ck_ | Deep_Blue: I understand perfectly was just wondering why journalists and non tech guys have a better pay check |
| 18:10.39 | paultag | Izak__: no pure-tech org has ever done much |
| 18:10.53 | paultag | you need all sorts of types of people to make something happen |
| 18:10.57 | paultag | tech is a small small small part. |
| 18:10.58 | scorche|sh | Izak__: it takes all teams to make something successful |
| 18:11.09 | paultag | speaking *as* a highly technical and experienced developer |
| 18:11.14 | Izak__ | paultag: i did not say the non-techies shouldn't get jobs at tech companies |
| 18:11.26 | paultag | Izak__: without them, the tech teams don't function. |
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| 18:11.56 | paultag | Izak__: again, speaking *as* a highly technical and experienced developer, I find your claim dubious at best |
| 18:12.03 | Izak__ | scorche|sh: All teams are needed is true but those doing the real changes should be appreciated |
| 18:12.14 | Ch3ck_ | well what i just want to be clarified upon here is y? this difference thats all |
| 18:12.15 | scorche|sh | Izak__: no - everyone should be |
| 18:12.30 | Ch3ck_ | Open Source is what changes the world! |
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| 18:12.36 | Ch3ck_ | no one can deny that :) |
| 18:12.56 | Ch3ck_ | so all gsoc participants are reinventing the future |
| 18:13.04 | scorche|sh | Izak__: tech cant work effectively without the other elements and the other elements cant work effectively without tech |
| 18:13.23 | Ch3ck_ | scorche|sh: thats true |
| 18:13.38 | Ch3ck_ | just needed some clarifications here |
| 18:13.38 | scorche|sh | plenty of technically superior products have come out over the years that have failed to technically-inferior products |
| 18:13.55 | Izak__ | scorche|sh: Not true because the others worked perfectly before tech came in a few decades ago |
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| 18:14.14 | paultag | Izak__: sorry, what do you do? |
| 18:14.15 | Ch3ck_ | well a great product never dies |
| 18:14.20 | paultag | I'm interested to know what background you come from |
| 18:14.25 | scorche|sh | Izak__: ...now you have completely lost me - "tech" has been around for hundreds of years |
| 18:14.29 | paultag | and where you found such claims |
| 18:14.30 | scorche|sh | thousands, even |
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| 18:14.43 | Izak__ | paultag: I don't follow |
| 18:14.49 | paultag | Izak__: what do you do for work? |
| 18:14.55 | paultag | How many years, what have you worked on? |
| 18:15.05 | Izak__ | scorche|sh: What do you mean by tech ? |
| 18:15.25 | Izak__ | paultag:I am a student |
| 18:15.28 | paultag | … |
| 18:15.30 | scorche|sh | Izak__: "technical guys" (and gals) |
| 18:15.47 | paultag | Go home everyone, it's a student who knows everything :) |
| 18:16.10 | Izak__ | :) |
| 18:16.11 | scorche|sh | Izak__: it doesnt have to refer to coding - all aspects of human achievement have had technical people working on it - as well as analogues for marketing, PM, support, etc |
| 18:16.21 | Ch3ck_ | wondering why no one has answered the question i posed in the first place |
| 18:16.32 | paultag | Ch3ck_: I think people have, in a number of ways |
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| 18:16.57 | Izak__ | paultag: We'll all be learning until we die so we're all students |
| 18:17.01 | scorche|sh | Ch3ck_: because we arent qualified to answer it - we dont really know much about those other programs |
| 18:17.03 | Ch3ck_ | paultag: you said its easier to participate in GSoc than coming over to Mountain View and do the job there |
| 18:17.11 | paultag | Ch3ck_: No, that's not what I said. |
| 18:17.20 | paultag | Ch3ck_: Please don't put words in my mouth. |
| 18:17.34 | Ch3ck_ | scorche|sh: i get it |
| 18:17.35 | scorche|sh | turns the temperature of the channel down a couple of degrees |
| 18:17.37 | paultag | Izak__: That's true, but until you've had to work for a real goal with a real team of people from all backgrounds, I don't think you'll really understand :) |
| 18:17.59 | paultag | Izak__: I work for Government Transparency, and the technical work I do is only part of the larger picture |
| 18:18.11 | Ch3ck_ | turns it down further .... 39degress-- |
| 18:18.17 | paultag | in fact, I couldn't help enact change without the rest of the team |
| 18:18.52 | Ch3ck_ | just wanted to know the perculiarities in the other roles that all ;) |
| 18:18.59 | Izak__ | paultag: I understand the necessity of the other roles. I am just talking here about the guys who do lots of brain work- they deserve more |
| 18:19.07 | Ch3ck_ | since gsoc is more of philanthropy |
| 18:19.11 | scorche|sh | Izak__: they do brain work as well |
| 18:19.11 | paultag | Ch3ck_: GSoC is casual, GOOG is giving you money to work with non-google, the positions aren't the same. |
| 18:19.38 | Ch3ck_ | paultag: Now I get it perfectly. So its more of an outside job ;) |
| 18:20.12 | Ch3ck_ | get it :) turns down temperature further 32deg-- |
| 18:20.13 | Izak__ | wondering if some scorche|sh understands the intentions behind words |
| 18:20.14 | paultag | Ch3ck_: and this is a pretty big gift to F/OSS communities - we get to basically find a way to make sure new contributors to our communities can pay rent while they devote a lot of time to helping a project |
| 18:20.35 | Ch3ck_ | ah yeah.. Now i understand |
| 18:20.40 | paultag | It's not a job with Google |
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| 18:22.00 | scorche|sh | Izak__: in general, sure, but textual communications often do away with many subtleties of conversation... |
| 18:22.08 | Izak__ | So are the Policy fellowship students paid higher because they travel to their organization's site ? |
| 18:22.23 | paultag | Izak__: Policy fellowship students work for google, as I understand it. |
| 18:22.27 | paultag | Izak__: GSoC students do not |
| 18:22.33 | paultag | Also, please don't make value judgements |
| 18:22.38 | paultag | it makes all us technical folks look bad. |
| 18:23.16 | paultag | Also, there is a degree of on-site pay |
| 18:23.20 | Izak__ | paultag: you should probably take a closer look at the Policy fellowship program. |
| 18:23.21 | paultag | since they have to pay for food, etc |
| 18:23.34 | paultag | Izak__: I don't have time right now, I'm busy. If you want to link me, I will take a glance later. |
| 18:24.14 | Izak__ | paultag: Don't take things personally. You are actaully beginning to answer my questions now |
| 18:24.30 | paultag | Izak__: Nothing is personal here. |
| 18:24.38 | paultag | I'm actually busy |
| 18:24.47 | Izak__ | okay. You said they pay for their food ? |
| 18:24.49 | Ch3ck_ | Aight guys every thing is crystal clear now :) |
| 18:25.00 | paultag | Izak__: Unless they live on Google campus, yes |
| 18:25.08 | paultag | and I don't think they're eating 3 meals a day at GOOG HQ |
| 18:25.20 | paultag | they likely have some breakfast, lunch |
| 18:25.34 | Izak__ | We don't either |
| 18:25.45 | paultag | I don't grok |
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| 18:25.54 | paultag | MTV food is expensive |
| 18:26.10 | Izak__ | okay I get it |
| 18:26.18 | paultag | *cost of living* :) |
| 18:26.33 | Izak__ | yes you are coming closer paultag: |
| 18:26.46 | scorche|sh | i think we have gone a bit off the beaten track here - this conversation might be better off in a PM or alternative channel |
| 18:28.00 | Ch3ck_ | sips a cup of coffee |
| 18:28.07 | Izak__ | scorche|sh: paultag: Thanks for the details and clarifications. I appreciate that |
| 18:28.19 | paultag | sure |
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| 18:28.49 | Ch3ck_ | Love my GSoC the way it is ;) |
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