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| 02:17.49 | ace_striker | !results |
| 02:17.49 | gsocbot | ace_striker: "results" is Nice try! Come back on Monday. |
| 02:18.03 | ace_striker | !stats |
| 02:18.03 | gsocbot | ace_striker: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
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| 02:18.14 | ace_striker | !owner |
| 02:19.04 | ace_striker | can we have karma level for this group too ? |
| 02:21.02 | ace_striker | for this channel : karma level |
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| 04:52.40 | thedarki | Hi, how I check my transaction limit without operator? |
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| 05:08.32 | dfighter | thedarki, you don't |
| 05:08.43 | thedarki | thanks) |
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| 05:18.41 | java_algo | hey guys..i in stiff over java as programming and algo language..i heard very bad reviews from great programmers..you the reviews are bit old but has java made progress to make those reviews a head... |
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| 05:22.14 | dfighter | I don't think that has much to do with GSOC |
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| 05:25.54 | dfighter | if you are bored that means you aren't putting enough effort into your project :O |
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| 07:49.00 | kai | the horror... github is down |
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| 08:00.26 | shayonj | for maintainance :) |
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| 08:16.59 | kai | shayonj: well, unscheduled maintenance |
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| 12:47.35 | Achillion | kai: your mention of github being down scared me. Thankfully I'm 5 hours late to the party |
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| 13:03.32 | Achillion | If github and stackoverflow go down I'd probably just take the day off |
| 13:05.16 | kai | Achillion: for my own work, I'm not concerned, I've got full copies of the whole source code, after all |
| 13:05.57 | Achillion | Well yes |
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| 13:38.21 | banas | github down? |
| 13:38.35 | hyades | no |
| 13:38.37 | paultag | it goes down all the time |
| 13:38.40 | paultag | it's up for me here though |
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| 13:39.21 | kai | it's been down for a couple of minutes, some hours ago |
| 13:39.21 | JordiGH | Isn't it great git is decentralised so that we don't have to give a fuck if github is down? |
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| 13:39.51 | kai | I very much enjoyed their status message, though |
| 13:39.53 | banas | ah ok. |
| 13:39.58 | kai | "We're investigating an increase in unicorns." |
| 13:40.20 | JordiGH | Oh, blast, I cursed in the wrong channel. |
| 13:40.41 | kai | and yes, I know they probably mean the ruby hhtp server |
| 13:40.44 | kai | http, too |
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| 17:24.15 | jjs1 | breaks out the biscuit tin |
| 17:24.24 | jjs1 | Did a GSoC ever have more than one mid-term evaluation? |
| 17:24.44 | carols | jjs1: no |
| 17:25.30 | jjs1 | Would it be too much paperwork? :-) |
| 17:26.13 | carols | i just don't think there would be a reason. under what circumstances would you want to review a student a second time immediately? |
| 17:28.08 | MatthewWilkes | Not necessarily immediately, you could do them monthly, for example |
| 17:28.15 | MatthewWilkes | Personally, I'd think it's too much paperwork |
| 17:28.22 | jjs1 | I was thinking three periods of 5 (or so) weeks |
| 17:28.33 | carols | well, i really hope the org is checking in with the student at least monthly :-) |
| 17:28.39 | jjs1 | Sorry, might not be a good idea. Just idle thoughts =] |
| 17:30.20 | jjs1 | It would reduce the cost of 'second chances' |
| 17:31.58 | jjs1 | (in a situation where the first evaluation is passed out of kindness but the subsequent evaluation is failed) |
| 17:33.16 | gevaerts | jjs1: there's your first problem |
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| 17:34.38 | jjs1 | gevaerts: Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean |
| 17:34.45 | gevaerts | "passed out of kindness" |
| 17:34.56 | gevaerts | Rephrase that as |
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| 17:36.00 | gevaerts | "unsure" and you may have an argument, but organisations that pass people out of kindness aren't a good reason to change schedules and increase paperwork |
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| 17:38.13 | jjs1 | That's certainly a problem, I was presenting a solution (albeit a possibly inadequate one) :-) |
| 17:38.45 | jjs1 | Namely: "unsure" students only ever acquire a third of the stipend instead of a half |
| 17:39.04 | paultag | I've never seen "unsure" students pass ever |
| 17:39.11 | gevaerts | Why a third? Why not have seven evaluations? |
| 17:40.10 | jjs1 | You're saying that a third isn't significantly better than a half? |
| 17:40.19 | jjs1 | You're probably right :-) |
| 17:40.47 | gevaerts | I'm saying it isn't significantly *different* |
| 17:41.04 | gevaerts | You're free to read that as "better", but that's your view :) |
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| 17:43.37 | summatusmentis | from a student perspective, it might allow them to earn a little bit more money (that is, get paid for their work) prior to being told they didn't pass |
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| 17:44.09 | summatusmentis | from the organizational perspective, it means Google has to pay out more money, and the incentive structure for ensuring you pass each review might be lessened |
| 17:44.12 | jjs1 | gevaerts: So -your- view must be: Whether it would be an improvement or not, the effect wouldn't be significant. Correct? :-) |
| 17:44.52 | gevaerts | jjs1: no, my view is that you first need to show an actual problem to solve before trying to tune the solution |
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| 17:46.55 | jjs1 | gevaerts: The problem was students being "passed out of kindness". I guess this is as far as the conversation goes. |
| 17:47.43 | gevaerts | How often does that *actually* happen, and shouldn't it be fixed by e.g. a stern talking to the org admin? |
| 17:48.22 | gevaerts | is *sure* that the people at google think about these things, and they actually have data... |
| 17:48.28 | jjs1 | I don't know. :-) |
| 17:48.31 | jjs1 | Indeed. |
| 17:48.39 | jjs1 | Like I said: Idle thoughts. |
| 17:50.15 | summatusmentis | another way of thinking about the problem, however, is "balance of work put in compared to amount earned" |
| 17:50.52 | summatusmentis | this is presumably dealt with by a student being actively engaged and working with their mentor to re-set their goals if something comes up |
| 17:51.45 | jjs1 | gevaerts: It's ok: I don't think I know the challenges presented by running GSoC, I'm not forming conclusions about how GSoC 'ought' to be run. And I apologise for presenting ideas laced with assumptions. :-) |
| 17:53.00 | gevaerts | jjs1: oh, many people here don't really know the challenges. In general that's never stopped anyine talking though :) |
| 17:53.09 | jjs1 | I think the "students being passed out of kindness" thing entered my consciousness after seeing mentor's talking about it on this channel. Specifically about how it was mentioned at a mentors' summit. |
| 17:54.02 | jjs1 | mentors* (the first one) |
| 17:54.53 | gevaerts | jjs1: my feeling is that mentors who think "Oh, the student isn't doing well enough now, but they're bound to improve in the next period!" are not unlikely to think that more often if you give them more chances :) |
| 17:56.50 | jjs1 | gevaerts: my opposing feeling is that mentors who've given the benefit of the doubt once are less likely to give it again |
| 17:57.06 | jjs1 | Maybe the answer is out there :-) |
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| 17:58.44 | jjs1 | gevaerts: It was nice talking anyhow. I'll get back to work. |
| 17:58.51 | jjs1 | puts down the empty mug |
| 17:59.08 | gevaerts | jjs1: that's definitely true in the long run (experienced mentors will appear cynical at first sight when you meet them!), but I'm not convinced such wisdom grows in a few weeks |
| 18:00.29 | gevaerts | But it also makes me think that a healthy mix of old and new mentors and organisations is the right solution :) |
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| 18:01.12 | jjs1 | solution to what? hehe :) |
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| 18:01.44 | gevaerts | To your problem! :) |
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| 18:02.45 | jjs1 | is AFK (I'm sure I'll think about it more in idle moments.) :) |
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