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| 05:48.14 | parx | I'm an admin. Melange shows that one student "submitted" the evaluation. Should it be clickable/viewable to me now? It is not. |
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| 05:52.09 | brlcad | parx: usually, the orgs cannot see the student evaluations until after the submission deadline |
| 05:52.43 | Ivanovic | parx: the submissions can be changed and adjusted until the deadline is reached |
| 05:52.54 | Ivanovic | so what you might see there does not have to match the final version |
| 05:53.07 | Ivanovic | because of this only the students can see their own evaluation |
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| 05:55.54 | parx | Thank you brlcad and Ivanovic. I suspected as much, but the FAQ didn't indicate a starting point of viewability for admins. |
| 05:56.12 | Ivanovic | you can just see the status and that's it |
| 05:56.16 | parx | Only says "Students will fill out a midterm and final evaluation of their mentors online as well, and their evaluations will only be visible in the system to the mentoring organization's administrator(s)." |
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| 06:18.31 | Ivanovic | parx: most of those faqs are written by normal people, not lawyers who have to cover every possible angle |
| 06:19.07 | Ivanovic | (though geeks covering every angle might be even more hardcore than the average lawyer...) |
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| 07:33.54 | hornig | hi there |
| 07:34.08 | hornig | can anyone help me with the mentors evaluation? |
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| 07:35.37 | kai | hornig: if you have more precise questions, possibly |
| 07:35.59 | hornig | II just wanted to see if there is anyone available :). hehe |
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| 07:36.37 | hornig | okay, I want to put in my evaluation as a mentor and logged in to the melnage system but I don't find it uner my evaluation |
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| 07:38.42 | ivanovic_work | hornig: are you the primary mentor of an assigned student? |
| 07:38.57 | ivanovic_work | IIRC you need to be explicitly assigned to a student to be able to file an evaluation |
| 07:39.01 | hornig | co-mentor |
| 07:39.16 | kai | hornig: does melange know that? |
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| 07:40.20 | hornig | it's strange but it's not listed in my current private account I used for the mentoring role. but I'm also the admin of the org. |
| 07:41.00 | hornig | can I use the admin account to fill in my data viy the admin account? |
| 07:41.13 | kai | yes |
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| 07:45.52 | hornig | kai, okay, then I will try the admin account, let me see in a second |
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| 07:53.22 | hornig | ah, okay, I found the option in the admin panel |
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| 08:21.46 | hornig | okay, done my evaluations. But another question. There is another mentor for a student, does he also have to evaluate? |
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| 08:28.48 | gevaerts | hornig: I'm fairly sure one evaluation is all you need. I'll try to find a reference |
| 08:29.17 | hornig | I just want to be sure that we don't miss a tiny bit and get into trouble! :D |
| 08:29.28 | hornig | would be unfair for the students |
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| 08:31.48 | gevaerts | hornig: from Carol's email, "You must submit an evaluation for every student you are the primary mentor for", and from the FAQ "Please also note that organization administrators can submit student evaluations on their mentors’ behalf", so as far as I can see you're fine |
| 08:32.02 | gevaerts | You seem to match the second case |
| 08:33.48 | hornig | at least there is a "submitted" status behind all students now |
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| 08:49.40 | hornig | gevaerts and kai, thanks for helping! :) |
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| 10:02.57 | Uli- | hmm. the actual format used for entries on the attendee list is different from the one in the instructions. which one to choose? |
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| 10:03.21 | gevaerts | Uli-: easy. yet another one :) |
| 10:03.54 | Uli- | carol will like that i bet. |
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| 13:03.46 | anth_x | is it correct that admins can see mentor evaluations but not student evaluations? |
| 13:03.53 | Uli- | it is |
| 13:04.03 | anth_x | thanks. |
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| 13:05.31 | anth_x | as an admin, it'd be nice to be able to make sure my students are happy with their mentors, but i get why that's tricky. |
| 13:05.51 | anth_x | anyone have any tea on? |
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| 13:14.14 | ivanovic_work | anth_x: just wait until after the submission deadline |
| 13:14.27 | ivanovic_work | then you might be able to read what the students wrote (not 100% sure) |
| 13:15.10 | ivanovic_work | anth_x: the matter is right now the comments are not final, things can still be changed and adjusted |
| 13:15.17 | Uli- | no. |
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| 13:16.01 | Uli- | in the three years i've been an org admin i've never been able to read any student's evaluation, neither midterm nor final |
| 13:16.23 | anth_x | that's what i remembered from previous years, just wanted to make sure. |
| 13:17.36 | ivanovic_work | okay, then my memory tricks me, i think it was possible to read the evals, but not 100% sure right now |
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| 13:17.50 | ivanovic_work | (of course the mentor evals are available, but i thought also the student ones) |
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| 13:23.44 | kai | I'm pretty sure in the previous years the admins had access to all the evals |
| 13:23.51 | kai | but possibly after the deadline |
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| 13:24.15 | Uli- | kai: i just checked. i still have them in my dashboard and i cannot access them. |
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| 13:53.19 | chro | hi, the mid term evaluation consists only on answering the questionnaire ? |
| 13:54.14 | chro | it's just that ? |
| 13:55.52 | Uli- | yes. easy, isn't it. do it now. ;) |
| 13:56.47 | chro | how can it be just that? it does not proof that I have been working |
| 13:57.05 | Uli- | your mentor will fill out another questionnaire. |
| 13:58.03 | chro | what if my mentor does not fill it on time ? |
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| 13:59.10 | chro | do I lose the rest of the stipend? |
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| 14:00.04 | MatthewWilkes | chro: It will be delayed until the mentor fills it in |
| 14:00.10 | Uli- | !faq |
| 14:00.11 | gsocbot | Uli-: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
| 14:00.15 | Uli- | !faq|chro |
| 14:00.25 | chro | thanks |
| 14:00.38 | Uli- | chro: read the faq. point 9: "If a student submits his or her evaluation on time but the mentor does not, then the student is in an “undecided” state until the program administrators can speak to the mentor and determine the student’s grade." |
| 14:01.12 | chro | perfect |
| 14:01.36 | MatthewWilkes | chro: FWIW, too, the mentor will be uninvited from the mentor summit if they miss their deadline |
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| 14:01.58 | chro | I see |
| 14:02.19 | chro | MatthewWilkes: Can you just confirm me that the evaluation is just the questionnaire? |
| 14:02.43 | gevaerts | Well |
| 14:03.11 | Uli- | chro: why don't you just go the evaluation page and see for yourself? |
| 14:03.12 | gevaerts | Given that MatthewWilkes is an org admin just like Uli-, I don't see why that would be so important :) |
| 14:04.12 | chro | Uli-: already did that and filled out the questionnaire. But I need to make sure, because I will be out of the computer until friday this week |
| 14:05.47 | MatthewWilkes | chro: As a mentor, I can't see the mailing list for students and I haven't carefully read the FAQ for students. I recommend you read it yourself. All I can say is that in all years I've participated previously the midterm eval was just the survey |
| 14:06.13 | Uli- | chro: i bet the system gave you some kind of feedback when you submitted it. i don't have a student's view on the data, but for me it gives a list of projects where i can see who submitted and who didn't |
| 14:07.03 | chro | It just says "Data saved" |
| 14:07.08 | chro | when I press submit |
| 14:07.10 | chro | ok thanks |
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| 14:10.22 | Uli- | yay. the stickers arrived. now i just need to decide on the chocolate |
| 14:13.15 | MatthewWilkes | Uli-: Summit? |
| 14:13.19 | Uli- | yes |
| 14:13.36 | MatthewWilkes | Awesome |
| 14:13.46 | MatthewWilkes | I like stickers. |
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| 14:14.15 | Uli- | mine have a big nice feather on them. be sure to grab one ;) |
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| 14:17.52 | ivanovic_work | i like chocolate! |
| 14:18.11 | ivanovic_work | looking forward to the chocolate room... |
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| 14:18.36 | ivanovic_work | Uli-: so you plan coming to the summit? |
| 14:19.14 | Uli- | i'll be there if my mentors submit their evaluations on time ;) |
| 14:19.44 | gevaerts | Uli-: if not, you can always submit in their place |
| 14:20.34 | Uli- | gevaerts: i most certainly will. they have one day less than the official deadline. enough time for me to submit the missing ones. |
| 14:21.44 | ivanovic_work | Uli-: hehe, the same regarding "mentors need to submit" applies for me... |
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| 14:24.34 | MatthewWilkes | You know what I don't get? Why there always seems to be 1 failing student, no matter how many/few we accept. |
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| 14:25.40 | Achillion | The rule of one. Possibly related to the Sith Rule of two |
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| 14:26.38 | Uli- | what i don't get is how these always manage to slip through our rather rigorous selection process |
| 14:26.46 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed |
| 14:26.53 | MatthewWilkes | The current one we have is the most disappointing type |
| 14:27.05 | MatthewWilkes | The "Act really engaged until the coding period starts, then go utterly AWOL" |
| 14:27.30 | MatthewWilkes | at least he's not trying the old "Oh, I've been busy, have this code I vomited up. Will get better. K?" |
| 14:27.55 | Uli- | we seem to have two of this kind |
| 14:28.09 | Uli- | not sure how to filter those out up-front though |
| 14:29.01 | Achillion | chalk it up to the "necessary evil" pile? |
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| 14:30.41 | Achillion | Cause I can't think of a way to pre-evaluate someone that can't be exploited the same way, i.e., fully devote yourself to the initial phase until acceptance and then disappear |
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| 14:32.37 | Uli- | we also have one that still participates in dicussions and is present but seems to not have contributed any code to his project |
| 14:34.06 | Achillion | I would thik that one is worse than the AWOL guy |
| 14:34.10 | Achillion | think* |
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| 14:38.52 | ankitkv | !logs |
| 14:38.53 | gsocbot | ankitkv: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 15:04.25 | JordiGH | Man, it feels wrong to fail someone who is apparently trying really hard but isn't getting it. |
| 15:04.54 | JordiGH | He's responsive, makes many attempts, but... the code is just all wrong. |
| 15:05.05 | paultag | that does feel wrong :\ |
| 15:05.30 | JordiGH | But what are we supposed to do? The only reason the midterm goals have been met is because we basically wrote all of the code. |
| 15:05.38 | JordiGH | He couldn't figure it out on his own. |
| 15:07.08 | harshadura | !next |
| 15:07.09 | gsocbot | harshadura: "next" is (#1) Students begin coding for their Google Summer of Code projects, or (#2) Google begins issuing initial student payments provided tax forms are on file and students are in good standing with their communities. |
| 15:07.17 | paultag | JordiGH: wicked bummer of a situation :( |
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| 15:07.20 | harshadura | gsocbot still ? |
| 15:07.32 | harshadura | gsocbot: this is mid |
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| 15:08.22 | JordiGH | paultag: We made a mistake at the selection phase. We didn't know how little experience he had. |
| 15:08.38 | paultag | JordiGH: it happens. Did y'all talk with him about this? |
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| 15:08.54 | paultag | or her |
| 15:09.07 | paultag | Ah, he. |
| 15:09.09 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
| 15:09.15 | JordiGH | We did. |
| 15:09.19 | JordiGH | Things haven't improved. |
| 15:09.20 | paultag | JordiGH: it sucks, but that's kinda the deal. |
| 15:09.23 | JordiGH | Even though he's tried. |
| 15:09.30 | paultag | JordiGH: what year in Uni is he? |
| 15:09.55 | JordiGH | I forget. 2nd or 3rd. |
| 15:10.11 | paultag | you *could* try to keep him around to learn a bit and re-apply next year? |
| 15:10.17 | paultag | (not for GSoC) |
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| 15:10.24 | JordiGH | Yes, but what do we do about the midterm? |
| 15:10.25 | paultag | (keep around the community) |
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| 15:10.28 | JordiGH | Pass him on effort? |
| 15:10.40 | paultag | JordiGH: I'm not sure. Perhaps this is a carols question |
| 15:10.47 | paultag | I mean, in the end it's about the student learning |
| 15:11.07 | paultag | IMVHO I would have a hell of a time failing such a student |
| 15:11.18 | paultag | even if it wasted huge amounts of my time |
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| 15:12.45 | kai | harshadura: fix it |
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| 15:13.36 | harshadura | kai: sorry, I am not aware of how to do that :) |
| 15:13.45 | kai | !forget next |
| 15:13.45 | gsocbot | kai: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them. |
| 15:13.49 | kai | !forget next * |
| 15:13.50 | gsocbot | kai: The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:14.01 | harshadura | supybot ha! |
| 15:14.03 | harshadura | awesome |
| 15:14.05 | kai | !learn next as August 2: |
| 15:14.06 | gsocbot | kai: "next" is August 2: |
| 15:14.10 | kai | !forget next * |
| 15:14.10 | gsocbot | kai: The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:14.27 | kai | !learn next as August 2, 19:00 UTC: Mid-term evaluations are due. |
| 15:14.27 | gsocbot | kai: "next" is August 2, 19:00 UTC: Mid-term evaluations are due. |
| 15:14.38 | harshadura | !next |
| 15:14.39 | gsocbot | harshadura: "next" is August 2, 19:00 UTC: Mid-term evaluations are due. |
| 15:14.51 | harshadura | claps for gsocbot |
| 15:15.01 | Achillion | \o/ |
| 15:15.25 | kai | !learn next as Google begins issuing mid-term student payments provided passing student survey is on file. |
| 15:15.26 | gsocbot | kai: "next" is (#1) August 2, 19:00 UTC: Mid-term evaluations are due., or (#2) Google begins issuing mid-term student payments provided passing student survey is on file. |
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| 15:16.06 | kai | I wish melange would come with a web API to query the timeline |
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| 15:20.45 | waaaaargh | I would really love to do some work on melange myself |
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| 15:22.15 | ivanovic_work | JordiGH: regarding your dilemma: IMO it is also a matter of what the mentors can handle, if it just becomes too much the strain on the mentors will be too high to even be worth the learning effort achieved by the student |
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| 15:23.38 | ivanovic_work | and you are right, failing students that somehow try is always hard, especially if the student tries really hard but is absolutely not able to get it done |
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| 15:25.33 | paultag | I mean, to argue the other side, no GSoC is expected to do something *useful* |
| 15:25.36 | paultag | it's nice when it happens |
| 15:25.46 | paultag | but all the time projects end up unmerged or incomplete |
| 15:25.46 | Achillion | really? |
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| 15:26.00 | paultag | we've been lucky with Debian |
| 15:26.03 | Achillion | I thought it was more common for something useful to be produced |
| 15:26.20 | Achillion | though I'm new here ... and a student |
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| 15:27.02 | paultag | Achillion: Don't get me wrong, good orgs with good students produce good work |
| 15:27.23 | paultag | but it's sadly common that work is left unmerged if the student doesn't continue after GSoC |
| 15:27.43 | paultag | in the end it's about the student knowing *how* to contribute, and knowing what's expected in a F/OSS project |
| 15:27.56 | paultag | and keeping deadlines, etc |
| 15:28.07 | Achillion | That makes sense |
| 15:29.30 | Achillion | can't expect all students to produce 100% usable code, especially if the project is a bit ambitious for the timeline |
| 15:29.54 | paultag | Often times the project ends up perfect, but the integration is left out |
| 15:30.10 | paultag | and without the student pushing it after GSoC it sometimes doesn't get merged / integrated / supported |
| 15:30.21 | ivanovic_work | paultag: it also depends on the system used |
| 15:30.24 | paultag | true |
| 15:30.33 | paultag | and knowing if a student sticks around is not somthing you know ahead of time |
| 15:30.43 | ivanovic_work | if the work is kept directly in mainline all the time with all dev releases including the work, there is no "merging gap |
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| 15:31.01 | Achillion | I assume it also depends on what the mentor(ing org) expects from gsoc and the student, regardless of the original goal of the program |
| 15:31.09 | paultag | ivanovic_work: surely you can understand projects not merging it into mainline, though |
| 15:31.26 | paultag | ivanovic_work: for instance, with fluxbox, we rewrote a lot of the internals to support lua |
| 15:31.27 | ivanovic_work | oh, there are projects where it does not work |
| 15:31.32 | ivanovic_work | because it is too invasive |
| 15:31.50 | paultag | Achillion: aye |
| 15:31.52 | ivanovic_work | but whenever possible it is great to merge as early and often as possible since it also gives the student a good feeling |
| 15:32.03 | paultag | but my point is that students that try hard may still get something out of finishing GSoC |
| 15:32.07 | ivanovic_work | since the students directly see their part as part of the rest |
| 15:32.12 | paultag | and perhaps the orgs! |
| 15:32.17 | Achillion | I recently ( a few months ago ) discovered that the vim bindings for the kpart editor was a gsoc project :) I love that feature |
| 15:32.20 | paultag | (if they stick around after the fact) |
| 15:32.28 | paultag | Achillion: \o/ |
| 15:34.20 | paultag | Achillion: but seriously, don't take my comments as anyone thinking less of student's work |
| 15:34.28 | paultag | I was just arguing that point of view :) |
| 15:34.47 | paultag | (because I didn't intend them to be as such) |
| 15:35.02 | Achillion | Don't worry, there was no misunderstanding |
| 15:35.07 | paultag | good :) |
| 15:35.40 | Achillion | I was merely curious about how common or uncommon it is for gsoc produced code to end up in upstream |
| 15:36.07 | paultag | it's not uncommon, but it's not the common case either |
| 15:36.12 | paultag | (that there is unmerged work) |
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| 15:37.18 | ivanovic_work | Achillion: IMO the more important question is not just about merging back the code but about "how well maintained is the code after gsoc" |
| 15:37.28 | paultag | ^ this also |
| 15:38.12 | ivanovic_work | and this depends a lot on the students, the code tends to be at least okayish maintained as long as they stay around afterwards |
| 15:38.19 | paultag | == ivanovic_work |
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| 15:39.06 | Achillion | indeed - a fair point I failed to consider |
| 15:40.07 | joanie | Guys I am one of several mentors for a student. But not the primary mentor. Should I see this student on https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2013#evaluatio[D[D[D?ns |
| 15:40.24 | joanie | ugh, sorry for the extra chars. dunno why that happened |
| 15:40.35 | ivanovic_work | you should not |
| 15:41.03 | ivanovic_work | the primary mentor and the org admin can do this |
| 15:41.49 | joanie | so we do not fill out evals if we are not the primary mentor? |
| 15:43.26 | joanie | if so, then I need to email my co-mentors and tell them to ignore my instructions to "be sure you each fill out your evaluations on time" ;) |
| 15:43.38 | ankitkv | I didn't know a student can have more than one mentor |
| 15:44.51 | paultag | we encourage it in Debian-land |
| 15:44.54 | paultag | helps reduce SPOF |
| 15:44.55 | joanie | i don't think it's all that odd. But in our case we have a project that touches a number of areas (code-wize and knowledge-wize) so we (GNOME Accessibility) is mentoring as a small village |
| 15:45.01 | paultag | +1 |
| 15:45.20 | joanie | In fact, the first few weeks of mentoring were nearly 100% mine |
| 15:45.21 | paultag | spreading around the timezone that the student is in is nice too |
| 15:45.25 | ankitkv | ah, I see |
| 15:45.26 | paultag | so that someone's usually around |
| 15:46.06 | joanie | but having trained her in the foundational stuff, she's now being mentored by the official primary mentor |
| 15:46.32 | joanie | but we all serve based on what our student happens to need support in |
| 15:46.55 | joanie | needless to say, I was rather surprised that we don't all have her in our eval list |
| 15:47.23 | paultag | joanie: we usually just kick up some etherpads and have the primary mentor submit it (or org-admin if they're on VAC) |
| 15:47.49 | joanie | ok paultag thanks |
| 15:47.56 | paultag | joanie: you got it |
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| 15:49.13 | ivanovic_work | joanie: every project needs to get one eval from the students side and one from the org side |
| 15:49.32 | joanie | understood |
| 15:49.35 | ivanovic_work | as far as i know only the admin or primary mentor can even access the form |
| 15:49.51 | ivanovic_work | so your co-mentors should soon ask you "how can i access the form? it does not work!" |
| 15:49.59 | joanie | since I had filled out mine in completion and shared it with my fellow mentors, the primary can c&p my answers |
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| 15:50.16 | joanie | and I will tell the other mentors that they are off the hook |
| 15:50.31 | ivanovic_work | :) |
| 15:50.50 | joanie | thanks again. /me crosses this to-do off her list and moves on to the next :) |
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| 16:23.30 | lasconic | Hi there |
| 16:23.47 | lasconic | what's the deadline for the mentor summit registration? |
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| 17:00.34 | JordiGH | The mentor summit money.. |
| 17:00.40 | JordiGH | That's 2200 per mentor, right? |
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| 17:00.58 | JordiGH | Can we use some of it for hotel nights, or do we have to present to Google just flight ticket receipts? |
| 17:01.01 | meflin | total |
| 17:01.30 | JordiGH | Yes, can the total include extra hotel nights? |
| 17:01.55 | meflin | I do not believe so |
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| 17:31.52 | MatthewWilkes | carols! |
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| 17:32.08 | carols | hi MatthewWilkes |
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| 17:44.06 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 17:57.10 | carols | quiet in here... |
| 17:57.17 | carols | i guess everyone's working on midterms :-) |
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| 17:58.34 | meflin | mostly pressing refresh and glaring at the RED items |
| 17:58.37 | paultag | carols: you missed a good thread |
| 17:58.44 | paultag | :) |
| 17:58.54 | carols | paultag: just because i didn't respond doesn't mean i missed it :-) |
| 17:59.05 | paultag | carols: sorry, on irc, not email :) |
| 17:59.18 | carols | fair enough. what was the thread? |
| 17:59.53 | paultag | carols: a lively discussion over a student who tries very hard but doens't seem to "click" and get much done |
| 18:00.19 | paultag | comes up every year, I s'pose |
| 18:00.28 | carols | paultag: ah, and what did everyone advise? |
| 18:00.44 | carols | yep. |
| 18:01.18 | paultag | carols: Nothing concrete, just a side-discussion over the results of GSoC and if the intent is to (really) do productive things with f/oss or to get students comfortable in f/oss ecosystems or contributing |
| 18:01.57 | carols | right. |
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| 18:06.12 | Achillion | I need a break |
| 18:06.27 | Achillion | Is it tea time yet? |
| 18:06.32 | paultag | yes please |
| 18:06.46 | meflin | if your awake its always tea time |
| 18:06.51 | meflin | passes over a mug |
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| 18:07.15 | Achillion | excellent - thanks :) |
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| 18:14.28 | parx | paultag, carols It'd be helpful for me to read though that discussion. Didn't the log used to be posted in the channel topic? |
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| 18:15.00 | carols | parx: yep, still is. |
| 18:15.04 | carols | but it has 24 hour turnaround |
| 18:15.09 | carols | so why not read it tomorrow? :-) |
| 18:15.26 | paultag | parx: this isn't a new topic :) |
| 18:15.43 | paultag | every year it gets brought up at the mentor's summit |
| 18:15.50 | paultag | and every year people are pretty split :) |
| 18:16.16 | carols | every year we have so many grandmothers die right before midterms :-) |
| 18:16.25 | paultag | ^ this |
| 18:16.43 | carols | ioh, and terrible illnesses befall students |
| 18:16.52 | carols | participating in gsoc seems to be a really morbid thing. |
| 18:16.56 | paultag | plauges sweep the f/oss community |
| 18:17.09 | meflin | last year one student had a horible problem to solve right after mid-terms ... a new smart phone ;) |
| 18:17.17 | carols | terrible. |
| 18:17.36 | meflin | a very stern meeting took care of that tho |
| 18:18.00 | Achillion | Seems like some students view gsoc as yet another school assignment |
| 18:18.03 | Achillion | or project |
| 18:19.00 | paultag | many just care about the money and are happy to do the minimum |
| 18:19.11 | paultag | they tend to not fit in well, though |
| 18:19.16 | meflin | the end outcome is the student stuck around after gsoc ... so assignment of this isn't an assignment worked ;) |
| 18:19.18 | paultag | and are usually weeded out in "older" orgs |
| 18:19.23 | carols | paultag: not even the minimum. they know the open source folks are nice and all they need is a good excuse to get $2250 |
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| 18:19.32 | paultag | I mean, yeah |
| 18:19.55 | paultag | I can imagine that's pretty common with "new" orgs, too |
| 18:20.37 | meflin | I was _easy_ when I was new |
| 18:20.50 | meflin | now I keep an eye on every project to make sure there isn't real slacking |
| 18:21.09 | paultag | yah |
| 18:21.14 | Achillion | makes mental note not to apply to meflin's org |
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| 18:21.32 | Achillion | jk, I wont be eligible next year anyway |
| 18:21.35 | meflin | Achillion: bad news I'm floating around projects now :) |
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| 18:26.44 | Achillion | Who knows, I might end up working on one of your projects outside of gsoc |
| 18:26.56 | paultag | Achillion: I'd welcome that :> |
| 18:27.10 | paultag | Achillion: in fact, I'd be happy to help you get started, if you're 4realsies |
| 18:27.40 | meflin | just about any project would love a new contributor :) |
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| 18:28.05 | Achillion | indeed, but first I need to finish my research (phd) which is currently kind of on hold for gsoc |
| 18:29.08 | paultag | :) |
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| 18:43.40 | sachin_h | Are mentors also notified (reminded) that they need to submit an evaluation? |
| 18:44.18 | meflin | well mine will be ( by me ) |
| 18:44.48 | sachin_h | meflin: I don't understand. |
| 18:45.25 | meflin | mentors who do not submit there evaluations get hounded by ME [ the admin ] |
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| 18:47.46 | sachin_h | meflin: ah, you're the admin :) I wanted to know if Google notifies the mentors somehow. |
| 18:48.02 | sachin_h | Like, Carol posted in the student mailing list, reminding us. |
| 18:48.06 | meflin | there was a email to the mail-list other then that I do not know |
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| 18:48.16 | meflin | I've never let things get that far ;) |
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| 18:49.42 | sachin_h | meflin: Okay :) btw, such an email was all I received as a student too. |
| 18:51.18 | meflin | well if your org does it paperwork you probably wont get a followup ;) |
| 18:52.06 | kshitij8_ | Achillion: would you mind me asking about your research topic? just out of curiosity. |
| 18:53.10 | Achillion | kshitij8_: not at all. I work in computational neuroscience, so I basically play around with neural network models |
| 18:54.41 | kshitij8_ | wow. neural networks. that feels like an awesome research field. Im glad I asked. :) |
| 18:54.57 | Achillion | heh :) it's quite fun, I guess |
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| 18:55.42 | kshitij8_ | I look forward to studying more about it some time in my life. :) |
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| 19:19.03 | d33tah | i'm planning to leave for a trip tomorrow. i already wrote the evaluation - is there anything that I should also complete by Friday? |
| 19:24.11 | JordiGH | Nope. |
| 19:24.24 | JordiGH | well, you should still be a mentor and talk to your student. |
| 19:24.28 | JordiGH | Or other way around. |
| 19:24.35 | JordiGH | Be a student and talk to your mentor. |
| 19:25.01 | meflin | I admin'ed on vacation |
| 19:27.17 | d33tah | talked to my mentor, I'm a student :P |
| 19:27.31 | d33tah | it's not this kind of vacation you could admin on, meflin. |
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| 20:15.09 | carols | serves some more coffee and tea |
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| 20:36.43 | carols | i hear ya, meflin |
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| 20:40.42 | derdon | Hi. If I go to "My Dashboard > Projects > $MYPROJECT", I can click on the link "Update or Upload Code Samples". but all I get then is the page "Update project details" where I can change the description and other metdata |
| 20:41.25 | carols | you don't upload code samples until the end of the program. |
| 20:41.28 | carols | we don't want half the code :-) |
| 20:41.50 | meflin | google doesn't want 1/2 the code but your project probably does ;) |
| 20:42.07 | carols | well, that's not a melange issue :-) |
| 20:42.20 | meflin | true |
| 20:42.35 | derdon | carols: ok. then I should tell the folks in #melange that this should be fixed because it's quite confusing to have a link that shows you something else than promised |
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| 20:44.18 | carols | sure, have at it :-) |
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| 20:59.35 | sebgoa | Some of you may be interested by the work from students for Apache CloudStack http://goo.gl/Z13USM |
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| 21:30.11 | JordiGH | paultag: Do you remember if rhodecode got packaged? |
| 21:30.58 | paultag | JordiGH: not that I know of, andrewsh ownes the ITP |
| 21:31.05 | paultag | who's usually on debian-mentors iirc |
| 21:31.14 | JordiGH | Oh well. |
| 21:31.16 | paultag | JordiGH: if you want to ping |
| 21:31.25 | JordiGH | We don't get along. :-) |
| 21:31.30 | paultag | you and andrewsh? |
| 21:31.50 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
| 21:31.55 | paultag | ok, sec |
| 21:31.58 | JordiGH | I forget where our feud stemmed. |
| 21:32.01 | JordiGH | started |
| 21:33.14 | paultag | JordiGH: I pung him. I'll letcha know. |
| 21:33.46 | JordiGH | Thanks, babe. |
| 21:33.54 | paultag | np |
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