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| 13:51.30 | hello_world | hello everyone .. |
| 13:51.37 | hello_world | i got a interesting question.. |
| 13:51.44 | hello_world | *an |
| 13:53.34 | hello_world | what signs are there that you will pass or not pass mid evaluation ... will it be a surprise at last moment or early symptons will be there ? |
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| 13:53.49 | stefan101 | Hello? |
| 13:54.04 | blast007 | stefan101: hello |
| 13:54.12 | stefan101 | How can i get invloved? |
| 13:54.30 | blast007 | stefan101: involved with what, exactly? |
| 13:54.51 | stefan101 | Well, any open source project |
| 13:55.18 | blast007 | talk to the developers of whatever project you have interest contributing to |
| 13:55.59 | stefan101 | How can i find a easy project though? |
| 13:57.34 | stefan101 | blast007 |
| 13:58.09 | Achillion | hello_world: I would think that you would know if you're not doing well |
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| 13:58.39 | blast007 | KingInTheNorth: my original advice still applies ;) |
| 13:58.46 | KingInTheNorth | and how can i connect with developers? |
| 13:58.49 | KingInTheNorth | K |
| 13:59.10 | blast007 | KingInTheNorth: generally a project has a mailing list, IRC channel, forum, or some other kind of contact listed |
| 13:59.13 | KingInTheNorth | ill try some...But im only 12, know Python and Very Basic c++ |
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| 14:00.50 | KingInTheNorth | ....? |
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| 14:10.02 | hello_world | KingInTheNorth: there are many python communites out there..some of them are here http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013 ..search regex python in it. and thereafter you can help yourself |
| 14:10.15 | hello_world | Achillion: any sign from mentors. . till now they haven't complaint anything .yet and they are new |
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| 14:18.11 | Achillion | hello_world: This is my first time too, but I suspect that only people who have serious issues with the program (i.e., dont get any work done, or dont show up) fail the midterm. I cant be sure though |
| 14:18.12 | hello_world | ok. got you. |
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| 14:18.23 | semmu | i'm curious about midterm evaluations too, how they determine the progress, etc. and what if somebody fails it? will he get the midterm cash at the end of the program if he does well? |
| 14:18.25 | gevaerts | Fail is fail |
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| 14:18.29 | semmu | wow, i see |
| 14:18.41 | semmu | so if somebody fails the midterm they fail the whole program? |
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| 14:19.47 | Achillion | which is why I suspect failure of the midterm eval is for people who have been mostly unheelpful |
| 14:19.56 | Achillion | s/ee/e |
| 14:23.39 | semmu | okay, i laughed hard at your correction :D |
| 14:25.29 | Achillion | hm, yeah |
| 14:25.34 | Achillion | it would only change the first occurence |
| 14:25.44 | Achillion | which would make "been" "ben" |
| 14:25.57 | Achillion | and unheelpful would remain |
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| 14:27.03 | jojva | Achillion, that's exactly what unhelpful is |
| 14:27.06 | semmu | not because of it, rather than the method you provided your correction :D |
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| 14:28.04 | Achillion | :) |
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| 14:30.34 | jojva | btw, if you want to know whether your mentor will validate or fail you, what should you do ? Think for 1 sec :) |
| 14:30.53 | hyades | jojva, nice one |
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| 14:31.33 | jojva | i mean, don't try to look at the signs, just ask him/her |
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| 14:31.46 | jojva | now is the good time i think, at 2 weeks from the deadline |
| 14:32.21 | Achillion | yeah, I'm a bit annoying sometimes. I keep asking my mentors at meetings whether they think my progress is ok |
| 14:33.33 | jojva | you're keeping track often, that's good :) on my side i haven't been very productive, i asked my mentor what he thought about it. ^^ |
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| 14:39.42 | downey | Anyone here going to OSCON next week? |
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| 14:53.41 | semmu | to be honest im ashamed since i did not work as much as i wanted and was needed... i dont know if im going to make it |
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| 15:01.00 | jjs1 | semmu: You still have the best part of two weeks in which to catch up. If you still have a good rapport with your mentor I'd suggest talking to him/her and devising some targets |
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| 15:01.50 | jjs1 | That way you may find out exactly what you need to do to stay in the programme. |
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| 15:02.20 | semmu | indeed |
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| 15:02.57 | jjs1 | semmu: Did I just repeat what's already been said? Damn. *Scrolls up* |
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| 15:03.25 | semmu | :) |
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| 15:08.55 | jjs1 | Has any participant ever experienced resentment from members of their mentoring organisation? E.g. on account of being paid for something that others do for free. |
| 15:09.21 | jjs1 | (Just a question born of idle thoughts.) |
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| 15:19.38 | jojva | jjs1, i heard of stg like that, i don't remember the org but they applied once and never did it again because of that |
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| 15:27.50 | jjs1 | I wonder if it's a common feeling amongst mentors. |
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| 15:29.32 | jjs1 | Perhaps it is, only when students cause trouble. :-) |
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| 15:30.44 | MatthewWilkes | jjs1: I've never heard of it. Most people in my org wouldn't accept that rate of pay, to be honest |
| 15:35.14 | jjs1 | MatthewWilkes: People in open source orgs get a salary? I've been living with a misconception :-) |
| 15:35.31 | gevaerts | Most do, yes |
| 15:35.43 | gevaerts | Not necessarily related to their open source work, of course :) |
| 15:36.02 | MatthewWilkes | jjs1: Indeed, most of us have jobs which pay us money, which we use to buy things |
| 15:37.45 | jjs1 | Ah, well that's what I thought in the first place: "Open source org members probably have other jobs to support themselves". |
| 15:38.27 | jjs1 | I should go bash out some code. :-) |
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| 18:42.16 | hornig | hiho :) |
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| 18:44.03 | hornig | I would like to ask a question about midterm evalutation |
| 18:46.12 | JordiGH | Yes? |
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| 18:46.46 | hornig | ah, there is someone in here, okay... |
| 18:47.16 | gevaerts | In general, on irc, never ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 18:47.18 | hornig | the faq says the mid term questionaire will be pre-published. when will that be? |
| 18:47.43 | gevaerts | IIRC last year it was about ten days before |
| 18:47.51 | gevaerts | checks |
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| 18:48.55 | gevaerts | Yes. Last year the questionaire was published on 29 June, with sumbissions starting on 9 July |
| 18:49.26 | hornig | i just want to be sure to to have enough time to fill it out and to know what they want to know |
| 18:49.40 | gevaerts | So I would expect this year's to be available somewhere this week, or possibly early next week |
| 18:49.49 | hornig | gevaerts, so it could be arount the 19th this year? |
| 18:50.21 | gevaerts | That would be my expectation, yes |
| 18:51.10 | hornig | ah, cool, thanks! :) |
| 18:51.34 | hornig | what can we expert? I'm the admin of new project |
| 18:52.02 | gevaerts | https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/VNoU1UzT8Z0/discussion is the thread from last year's email |
| 18:52.30 | gevaerts | You'll have to click a bit to get at the actual mail, but you should be able to read that if you're an admin I think |
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| 18:56.05 | hornig | I found carols email with an attached list starting with "How many years have you been a mentor for Google Summer of Code (Total - this doesn’t have to be consecutive)?" |
| 18:56.19 | gevaerts | That would be the one |
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| 18:57.25 | hornig | cool, nice |
| 18:57.45 | hornig | sounds okay with respect of time I have to invest to fill it out |
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| 19:01.11 | hornig | okay, next question. I need to add a mentor to a student and change slect the main mentor. how do I do that? |
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| 20:41.36 | hornig | hi again, okay, directly to my question :) |
| 20:41.55 | hornig | concerning the mentors summit in october, what will be done there? :) |
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| 20:47.22 | hornig | nobody knows? |
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| 20:48.30 | gevaerts | Those who know need more than six minutes to look at their screen! |
| 20:48.33 | nlminhtl | hornig: a lot of drink |
| 20:48.40 | Achillion | I'm a new student. You need an experienced mentor. |
| 20:48.40 | gevaerts | Discussions, meeting people, ... |
| 20:49.12 | hornig | but is there an officual schedule like us admins/mentors presenting something? |
| 20:49.24 | gevaerts | No. It's an unconference |
| 20:49.35 | gevaerts | The schedule is decided at the start, not before |
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| 20:50.03 | scorche|sh | lots of good interactions between projects! |
| 20:50.03 | hornig | oh noooo, we organized SpaceUp Stuttgart, a space unconferenc! that is awesome work! ;) heheh |
| 20:50.41 | hornig | just to be sure what we have to prepare or if we have to be there at certain times |
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| 20:55.22 | dhaun | hornig: if you have the login, the Mentor Wiki has all the information about previous and some of the info for the upcoming summit https://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 20:55.36 | dhaun | (greetings from Stuttgart, btw ;-) |
| 20:55.56 | hornig | feeling stalked then! :D |
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| 21:00.52 | hornig | dhaun, shoulw we do a local gsoc summit? |
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| 21:01.33 | hornig | one of my students is from Tübingen, so we would be at least 3 :) |
| 21:01.40 | dhaun | if we can get a few more people from the area - why not |
| 21:02.04 | dhaun | looks in the general direction of ThomasWaldmann and kblin |
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| 21:02.45 | hornig | strange, I also know a Thomas Waldmann :) |
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| 21:12.10 | hornig | but a local meeting would be cool |
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| 23:18.00 | ffledgling | wonders how everyone else's projects are coming along |
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| 23:29.14 | dfighter | ffledgling, worry about your own! :) |
| 23:29.20 | dfighter | mine's coming along just fine |
| 23:29.40 | ffledgling | I'm not particularly worried, just curious :) |
| 23:30.21 | dfighter | oh I see |
| 23:31.27 | dfighter | well most projects should be just fine |
| 23:31.34 | dfighter | the success rate is pretty high |
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| 23:35.23 | ffledgling | I see, i think the mid-evals are coming up |
| 23:35.33 | ffledgling | any idea what they involve? |
| 23:36.19 | markholland | It's just a short questionnaire, as long as your mentor is happy with your progress there's no need to worry |
| 23:36.22 | dfighter | ffledgling yes, as far as I know, 2 questinnaires |
| 23:36.33 | dfighter | questionaires* |
| 23:36.39 | dfighter | one for you, one for your mentor |
| 23:36.48 | dfighter | if you pass, you get paid |
| 23:36.51 | dfighter | if not you don't |
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| 23:37.18 | ffledgling | who evaluates the questionnaires? |
| 23:37.23 | markholland | pass makes it sound like a test, if you have regular contact you'll know if you're going ok |
| 23:37.46 | markholland | because your mentor probably would have threatened you a bit if you hadn't done enough work :) |
| 23:37.57 | dfighter | markholland, it is a test |
| 23:38.04 | ffledgling | is now wondering how many people fail their evaluations |
| 23:38.25 | dfighter | not that many |
| 23:38.32 | olly | pass rate is 80-90% |
| 23:38.37 | ffledgling | dfighter, the procedure doesn't make it sound like a test though, atleast not an objective test anyway |
| 23:38.53 | markholland | last year is wasn't a test |
| 23:39.05 | ffledgling | 80-90% means 120-240 people fail :O |
| 23:39.11 | ffledgling | that's not a small number! |
| 23:39.11 | markholland | how much have you worked? how is the relationship with your mentor, etc. |
| 23:39.12 | olly | it's not a test - it's the opinion of your mentor and/or org admin |
| 23:39.42 | olly | if the result is really a surprise, something's going very wrong |
| 23:39.43 | dfighter | well it's a test of your progress, obviously not a test of the kind you have at school |
| 23:40.24 | olly | more fail at the end than the midterm apparently |
| 23:40.25 | dfighter | however yes, as olly said, if it's surprising someone wasn't keeping their end of the bargain |
| 23:40.32 | olly | carols says we're too forgiving |
| 23:40.40 | markholland | mentors? |
| 23:40.53 | dfighter | well or you |
| 23:40.57 | olly | oh yes, she said that at the mentor summit |
| 23:41.11 | ffledgling | olly, summit? |
| 23:41.16 | ffledgling | mentor summit? |
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| 23:42.06 | olly | ffledgling: there's a mentor summit at google in late october each year |
| 23:42.22 | markholland | Did she elaborate on why? are they disappointed with the quality of the projects on completion |
| 23:42.33 | ffledgling | ^ same question |
| 23:42.37 | olly | (it's even mentioned in the faq |
| 23:43.33 | olly | markholland: oh, not that - apparently far more project fail at the end than the midterm - people probably give the benefit of the doubt too much at the midterm |
| 23:43.59 | olly | but generally bad patterns in the first half will continue in the second |
| 23:44.07 | markholland | ah ok, thanks for the insight |
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