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| 00:01.58 | galaxyAbstractor | ojwb: "Additional information about this project to be shown publicly" is the helpline for that field. I would guess any relevant information other than the abstract then |
| 00:02.27 | galaxyAbstractor | I was just wondering if that needed to be done before the deadline or not, as it's in the todo list :P |
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| 00:04.50 | chro | All students are required to submit a tax form to Google |
| 00:04.58 | chro | in the todo list I have nothing to submit this |
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| 00:05.16 | chro | oh never mind |
| 00:05.19 | chro | it was there |
| 00:05.30 | cognifloyd | Um. It says I need to select my university from autocomplete, but it's not there. Does that matter? ( svu.edu ) |
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| 00:07.03 | gevaerts | cognifloyd: if it's really not there, no. |
| 00:07.21 | cognifloyd | I couldn't find it. |
| 00:07.35 | cognifloyd | So, I'll ignore that in my "todo list" then. |
| 00:07.40 | chro | I just have to submit this: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/detail?name=ForeignCertificationForm2013.pdf&can=2&q=#makechanges as the tax form? |
| 00:07.42 | gevaerts | nods |
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| 00:09.37 | chro | nice |
| 00:11.04 | gevaerts | hmmm |
| 00:11.22 | gevaerts | chro: that nodding was to cognifloyd. I have no idea about tax forms |
| 00:11.44 | chro | ok |
| 00:12.08 | chro | I will only work at one location, that is outside US |
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| 00:15.24 | ojwb | gevaerts: i compared the lists, and found that email (which took much longer) and they are indeed different orgs |
| 00:16.31 | ojwb | org from the email has one accepted project |
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| 00:18.20 | SunuTheNinja | reads backlog |
| 00:18.35 | SunuTheNinja | Missed all the spamming :'( |
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| 00:22.41 | Achillion | scrolls up |
| 00:23.01 | Achillion | Muted channel. Of course. |
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| 00:29.45 | antonio0 | !numapps |
| 00:29.46 | gsocbot | antonio0: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted. |
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| 00:34.43 | Anuruddha | hi |
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| 00:35.38 | Anuruddha | what if the proposed project is almost completed before the program |
| 00:40.02 | ojwb | then you'll need to talk to your mentor and find something else to occupy your coding time |
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| 00:58.01 | foulwall | !next |
| 00:58.02 | gsocbot | foulwall: "next" is May 27 at 19:00 *UTC* - Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2013 site |
| 00:58.33 | Anuruddha | ojwb: thanks |
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| 01:56.44 | hratsimi1ah | Congrats everyone! Did anybody else get scared by the asynchronous loading of the accepted projects list by doing cmd/ctrl+F and getting 0 result when the entire list wasn't entirely loaded yet? |
| 01:57.26 | derdon | no |
| 01:59.47 | hratsimi1ah | Hi derdon |
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| 02:01.03 | chenli | Yes, I have reloaded the page serveral times but still can't find my name, then the email arrived :) |
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| 02:05.54 | andrioni | !next |
| 02:05.55 | gsocbot | andrioni: "next" is May 27 at 19:00 *UTC* - Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2013 site |
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| 02:57.41 | tcort | I'm working on "My todos" in Melange. My school isn't listed in the autocomplete for the school name field in the main form, so I can't complete the "School name selected from autocomplete" task. How should I proceed? |
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| 03:20.53 | hiddenpearls | How many students are accepted from Pakistan ?? |
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| 03:29.32 | gsocbot | aciid: "numstats" is There are 14 statistics in !numapps. |
| 03:29.43 | aciid | !numapps |
| 03:29.44 | gsocbot | aciid: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted. |
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| 04:47.33 | dapad_ | can anybody tell me what kind of coding skills are required to join gsoc |
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| 04:48.02 | dapad_ | please, any help would be appreciated |
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| 04:48.50 | valorie | dapad_: it depends on what project you join |
| 04:48.59 | dapad_ | like |
| 04:49.03 | valorie | are you trying to prepare for next year? |
| 04:49.06 | dapad_ | can you explain more |
| 04:49.33 | valorie | you might look at the website, and see which projects are mentoring this year |
| 04:49.46 | valorie | look around and see what's interesing to you |
| 04:49.52 | valorie | interesting |
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| 04:50.38 | valorie | for instance, KDE uses C++ and Qt |
| 04:50.47 | valorie | while GNOME uses C |
| 04:50.55 | valorie | Python ... |
| 04:50.58 | valorie | etc. |
| 04:51.33 | valorie | if you find something interesting, look at their planets, forums, lists |
| 04:51.40 | valorie | see what they have on offer |
| 04:51.50 | dapad_ | so can i see the mentoring projects beforehand ? |
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| 04:52.03 | valorie | all of us are out in the world |
| 04:52.08 | valorie | there is nothing secret |
| 04:52.30 | dapad_ | like if i want to join in 2014 |
| 04:52.38 | dapad_ | i will see the project proposals |
| 04:52.47 | dapad_ | then upload my proposals |
| 04:52.54 | dapad_ | and my skills |
| 04:53.04 | valorie | there are some of the proposals that students have set to public |
| 04:53.05 | dapad_ | and then google guys will pair me |
| 04:53.15 | dapad_ | is that how it works |
| 04:53.26 | valorie | you pair up with the teams within the project you like |
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| 04:53.36 | valorie | develop the proposal with the project |
| 04:53.48 | dapad_ | then how do i get selected ? |
| 04:53.56 | valorie | they are the ones selecting the students with whom they want to work |
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| 04:54.28 | dapad_ | on what basis as in what do they look for ? |
| 04:54.36 | valorie | google provides the framework and funding |
| 04:54.58 | valorie | KDE is the one I know best, since I'm one of the admins |
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| 04:55.03 | dapad_ | that's not what im asking |
| 04:55.17 | valorie | we work with students who work well in our community |
| 04:55.29 | valorie | and have the skills to do the projects needed |
| 04:55.34 | ojwb | dapad_: it's up to each org what criteria they use to select |
| 04:55.34 | dapad_ | how do i increase my chances of getting selected |
| 04:55.43 | valorie | and will stick around and support their code long-term |
| 04:55.56 | valorie | get involved with a community |
| 04:56.08 | valorie | that is the number one best way to be selected |
| 04:56.20 | valorie | become a trusted contributor |
| 04:56.26 | dapad_ | what community ? |
| 04:56.35 | dapad_ | im a noob |
| 04:56.39 | dapad_ | so please dont mind |
| 04:56.47 | valorie | what are you using now, for instance? |
| 04:56.57 | valorie | on your computer today |
| 04:57.03 | dapad_ | what ? |
| 04:57.09 | dapad_ | OS ? |
| 04:57.21 | dapad_ | or browser ? |
| 04:57.21 | valorie | what software, etc.? |
| 04:57.38 | valorie | I think Mozilla might be one of the projects..... not sure |
| 04:57.51 | dapad_ | netbeans to learn php |
| 04:58.28 | valorie | hmmm, not sure if netbeans is a part |
| 04:58.28 | dapad_ | and codeblocks for coding in c |
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| 04:59.02 | dapad_ | what do u wanna say actually ? |
| 04:59.09 | valorie | http://netbeans.dzone.com/nb-gephi-gsoc |
| 04:59.45 | valorie | when I decided to contribute, I decided that Amarok was my fav. software, so I looked around and saw that they needed documentation |
| 05:00.05 | valorie | so I offered to help with that, and now I've been with the team for maybe 5 years |
| 05:00.21 | valorie | what I'm saying is, follow your own interests |
| 05:00.30 | valorie | you'll enjoy the work more |
| 05:00.46 | dapad_ | okay so here is what i got |
| 05:01.01 | dapad_ | i have to choose what interests me in the gsoc site |
| 05:01.13 | valorie | sure |
| 05:01.15 | dapad_ | the mentor proposal projects |
| 05:01.19 | valorie | find your niche |
| 05:01.23 | dapad_ | like gephi is one |
| 05:01.25 | valorie | exploit it |
| 05:01.32 | valorie | that's how life works |
| 05:01.38 | dapad_ | then i have to contact the mentor |
| 05:01.48 | valorie | well, the team |
| 05:01.53 | dapad_ | tell him about my skills |
| 05:01.59 | valorie | the mentors will be a bit busy right now |
| 05:02.05 | valorie | most projects are on IRC |
| 05:02.11 | valorie | drop in and listen for awhile |
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| 05:02.18 | valorie | read the links in the /topic |
| 05:02.21 | valorie | etc. |
| 05:02.31 | dapad_ | and how i want to help with their project |
| 05:02.41 | valorie | yup, you'll figure it out |
| 05:02.45 | dapad_ | and then they will select me ? |
| 05:02.58 | valorie | there are no guarantees in life |
| 05:02.59 | dapad_ | of course if they want to |
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| 05:03.25 | valorie | but believe me, if you follow your nose, and start now, you'll have a great chance for next year |
| 05:03.49 | dapad_ | what do you mean most projects are on IRC |
| 05:04.16 | valorie | for instance, KDE has numerous channels here on freenode |
| 05:04.34 | dapad_ | where is that listed ? |
| 05:04.50 | valorie | do a /msg alis list *project* and you'll see (in your server tab) |
| 05:05.40 | valorie | most projects talk about IRC in their Contact Us section |
| 05:06.16 | dapad_ | so can i contact them before the gsoc ? |
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| 05:06.34 | valorie | this year's gsoc kicked off today |
| 05:06.48 | dapad_ | yeah i know that |
| 05:06.51 | valorie | of course, all free software projects run all the time |
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| 05:07.00 | dapad_ | i am asking for next year |
| 05:07.02 | valorie | and they all want more contributors |
| 05:07.27 | valorie | people fixing bugs are *always* welcome |
| 05:08.15 | dapad_ | for example i start contributing to a project in a month or so is it possible that i will be selected in the next gsoc 2014( |
| 05:08.54 | valorie | if you become a trusted contributor, sure |
| 05:09.28 | valorie | in other words, you do your research well, comment your code, follow the suggested coding styles, etc. |
| 05:09.39 | dapad_ | and the only way of contacting them is through this IRC only ? |
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| 05:09.56 | valorie | no, as I said: lists, forums |
| 05:10.08 | valorie | depends on the project what they rely on |
| 05:10.23 | dapad_ | the lists and forums will be unique to a project right ? |
| 05:10.29 | valorie | yes |
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| 05:11.01 | dapad_ | i think i am getting the hang of it |
| 05:12.23 | dapad_ | one last thing can you tell me where do i start because i am not a computer science major but i have started to learn web based technologies and i have some basic exposure to c programming |
| 05:13.26 | valorie | start with what YOU are interested in |
| 05:13.38 | valorie | if you can't decide, keep looking |
| 05:13.43 | valorie | something will grab you |
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| 05:14.07 | dapad_ | but how do i contribute thats my main concern |
| 05:14.16 | valorie | for instance, there are projects making medical software |
| 05:14.24 | valorie | astronomy |
| 05:14.33 | valorie | just about anything you can think of |
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| 05:14.45 | valorie | dapad_: you'll have to do your own research |
| 05:14.57 | valorie | a random person can't guide you |
| 05:15.03 | valorie | just point you to the map |
| 05:15.28 | dapad_ | please help me how do i get on with that ? |
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| 05:15.37 | valorie | also, there is a guide for students on flossmanuals |
| 05:15.44 | dapad_ | im not asking you to select a project for me |
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| 05:15.51 | valorie | have you listened to anything I said? |
| 05:16.00 | valorie | please read the backlog |
| 05:16.14 | dapad_ | i said im not asking to select a project for me |
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| 05:16.30 | dapad_ | just tell me what skills are necessary to contribute |
| 05:16.32 | valorie | ok, I've said enough |
| 05:16.54 | valorie | if you ask me something which indicates that you have done some research, we can pick this up later |
| 05:17.08 | dapad_ | oh c'mon |
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| 05:17.20 | valorie | now you are just trolling |
| 05:17.28 | dapad_ | what kind of research do you want me to do ? |
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| 05:18.02 | dapad_ | should i select a project and then talk to you ? |
| 05:18.03 | valorie | BACKLOG |
| 05:18.13 | dapad_ | what ? |
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| 05:18.54 | hratsimi1ah | dapad_: you can also choosed projects based on the skills you already have. |
| 05:19.23 | dapad_ | that is what i want to know which skills to develop ? |
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| 05:19.34 | dapad_ | itni si baat h |
| 05:19.41 | hratsimi1ah | anything that excites you. |
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| 05:20.50 | dapad_ | please be more informative |
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| 05:23.32 | hratsimi1ah | Are the designs of the gsoc tshirts available somewhere? |
| 05:23.32 | valorie | dapad_: I already asked you not to PM |
| 05:23.37 | valorie | that's rude |
| 05:23.44 | dapad_ | what |
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| 05:23.58 | dapad_ | you were not listening |
| 05:24.17 | valorie | on the contrary |
| 05:24.25 | valorie | I've given out a LOT of advice |
| 05:24.31 | valorie | my fingers are tired |
| 05:24.31 | dapad_ | if i select a project then will you talk to me ? |
| 05:24.46 | dapad_ | that's last i assure you |
| 05:24.50 | valorie | if you select a project, you can talk to THEM |
| 05:25.05 | valorie | I can help you do that if it's necessary |
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| 05:25.16 | dapad_ | again you being discrete |
| 05:25.28 | valorie | seriously, this is your life |
| 05:25.33 | valorie | live it |
| 05:25.52 | dapad_ | how can you help me ? |
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| 05:26.20 | prasoon2211_ | valorie : leave it |
| 05:26.24 | ojwb | dapad_: if you find an open source project which interests you, the best thing to do really is to talk to them |
| 05:26.57 | ojwb | we can only give fairly generic advice about projects we aren't involved in ourselves |
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| 05:27.01 | valorie | prasoon2211_: good advice |
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| 05:27.03 | dapad_ | i thought i will get some help because i am new but i dont think i was right |
| 05:27.09 | valorie | !!!!!!!! |
| 05:27.12 | valorie | grrrr |
| 05:27.34 | prasoon2211_ | valorie : obvious troll, let him be :) |
| 05:27.46 | valorie | yup, I guess |
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| 05:37.24 | jacreature | hi can someone inform me about gsoc |
| 05:38.35 | jacreature | is there anybody there ? |
| 05:38.44 | Arthur_D | !someone | jacreature |
| 05:38.53 | Arthur_D | hmm |
| 05:38.56 | jacreature | what ? |
| 05:39.17 | Arthur_D | there are web pages for that you know |
| 05:39.39 | jacreature | after reading them i came here |
| 05:40.02 | Arthur_D | great, so what is still not clear? |
| 05:40.09 | jacreature | i am not getting how open source development works |
| 05:40.35 | Arthur_D | can you be more specific? |
| 05:40.55 | flaushy | you find a project you like, you do stuff that helps them. Contribution done :) |
| 05:41.17 | jacreature | okay that narrows it down |
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| 05:42.10 | flaushy | so if a project needs someone to draw them a logo, you can do that, you can write documentation, you can extend the software. That all helps the projects. |
| 05:42.43 | valorie | heh, dapad and jacreature have the same IP |
| 05:42.51 | flaushy | valorie: yepe, seen yet |
| 05:43.14 | jacreature | i was wondering how long would it take you |
| 05:43.41 | valorie | if you are as stubborn at working as you are on trolling, you may do well |
| 05:43.59 | jacreature | i am not trolling i just need a solid start thats all |
| 05:44.11 | jacreature | and i am stubborn at working |
| 05:44.28 | valorie | as are we |
| 05:44.40 | jacreature | I am telling you again that i am not trolling |
| 05:44.43 | flaushy | !faq |
| 05:44.44 | gsocbot | flaushy: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
| 05:44.50 | flaushy | jacreature: ^ |
| 05:44.56 | jacreature | dont know what gave you that impression |
| 05:45.06 | flaushy | just do reading, read some projects and their past involvement |
| 05:45.34 | flaushy | kde, gnome, wesnoth all probably have great pages how to help (and they are versatile) |
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| 05:47.01 | jacreature | thanks flaushy and thanks valorie |
| 05:47.21 | jacreature | again i had no intention to waste your time |
| 05:47.35 | jacreature | i just wanted to get a good start |
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| 05:48.26 | jacreature | i hope you can help me again |
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| 05:54.21 | aciid | jacreature: students are selected for this year, you can try next year :) |
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| 06:21.42 | Gentlecat | can I upload more than 1 file in the enrollment form? |
| 06:22.41 | Gentlecat | I tried to add translation (.txt) file and it looks like it replaced the original |
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| 06:24.07 | sehaj_sk | i just wanted to ask that. |
| 06:25.48 | kblin | I'd guess the worst that could happen is that it's too late for whatever was sent out now |
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| 06:36.41 | valorie | lingz: as mentors, admins? |
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| 06:39.10 | nlminhtl | Hey, what will be happened on next days? |
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| 06:40.38 | valorie | !next |
| 06:40.40 | gsocbot | valorie: "next" is May 27 at 19:00 *UTC* - Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2013 site |
| 06:40.44 | valorie | heh |
| 06:40.54 | valorie | nlminhtl: it's community bonding time |
| 06:41.07 | valorie | I'm sure your project has links for you to check out, etc. |
| 06:41.22 | valorie | be sure to hang out in IRC a lot, and get to know everyone |
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| 07:42.02 | span | !results |
| 07:42.03 | gsocbot | span: "results" is Nice try! Come back on Monday. |
| 07:42.17 | span | !logs |
| 07:42.17 | gsocbot | span: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 07:42.28 | valorie | span: look at the site |
| 07:42.31 | valorie | it's all there |
| 07:42.44 | span | valorie: thanks, wanted to see the stats over the years... |
| 07:42.48 | span | !stats |
| 07:42.48 | gsocbot | span: I have 3 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 07:42.50 | span | hmm |
| 07:42.53 | span | :P |
| 07:42.56 | valorie | !numapps |
| 07:42.56 | gsocbot | valorie: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted. |
| 07:43.34 | span | thanks valorie :D |
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| 07:44.51 | valorie | yw |
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| 07:52.38 | kai | !timeline |
| 07:52.39 | gsocbot | kai: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 08:17.56 | aplavin | are there any clarifications about todo list? |
| 08:18.07 | aplavin | e.g. what should be filled in additional info? |
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| 08:52.10 | ashmew2 | !next |
| 08:52.11 | gsocbot | ashmew2: "next" is May 27 at 19:00 *UTC* - Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2013 site |
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| 09:29.04 | prasoon2211_ | kai : name of my college does not appear in the auto-compete list. What to do? |
| 09:29.12 | prasoon2211_ | should I mail carols? |
| 09:29.22 | prasoon2211_ | *complete |
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| 09:34.40 | kai | prasoon2211_: ask on #melange, maybe |
| 09:35.01 | prasoon2211_ | okay thanks |
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| 09:37.53 | gsteph | Is the mentor's name displayed in the melange UI? |
| 09:39.14 | mariaDa2 | yep |
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| 09:47.28 | gsteph | Well I've searched everywhere. It's not on the project details page. |
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| 10:01.01 | galaxyAbstractor | gsteph: My dashboard -> projects -> click on your project -> organization homepage |
| 10:01.07 | galaxyAbstractor | Should be a table on that page |
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| 10:03.56 | iRaghu | ewll, the name of the school shows No at the moment. I have filled it in correctly in my information. |
| 10:04.03 | iRaghu | any glitch? or I am missing something? |
| 10:04.09 | iRaghu | well* |
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| 10:18.08 | breton | some can indeed |
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| 10:18.14 | SunuTheNinja | The world is hearing you XD |
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| 10:40.31 | Raydiation | what is mentor summit? |
| 10:40.43 | kai | !faq | Raydiation |
| 10:40.43 | gsocbot | Raydiation: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
| 10:40.51 | kai | sure it's in there somewhere :) |
| 10:40.52 | Raydiation | kai: ty |
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| 10:41.36 | Raydiation | hm, cool |
| 10:41.52 | Raydiation | the flight will cost a fortune though xD |
| 10:43.10 | kai | Raydiation: google covers travel costs up to $1000 per mentor |
| 10:43.22 | Raydiation | oh, awesome |
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| 10:55.41 | olly_ | kai: you have an interestingly named mentor - "Linux cifs/smb2/smb3 client" http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/samba |
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| 11:44.54 | kai | olly_: yeah :) |
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| 11:48.45 | Raydiation | he works at microsoft |
| 11:49.04 | Raydiation | its his code name |
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| 11:52.41 | kai | nope, he doesn't :) |
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| 12:14.47 | galaxyAbstractor | Regarding the payment cards, does the $400/day limit affect purchases too or just cash withdrawals? |
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| 12:16.27 | vikash | galaxyAbstractor, You can easily get it extended to $2000 per day.. but then you will have to fight with the ATM policy in your country :D |
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| 12:16.54 | galaxyAbstractor | The ATM limit is $3000/week here |
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| 12:17.29 | galaxyAbstractor | But my bank only allows cash deposits for $1500/day, but should be enough I guess |
| 12:17.39 | galaxyAbstractor | As it's a combined bank and food store |
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| 12:22.04 | vikash | galaxyAbstractor, All the best :) |
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| 12:28.47 | banas | Okay, I know it isn't right to ask this here, how does this tax thing work? If there are experienced Indians, could you explain to me what a tax consultant is. Honestly, I have no idea. Even a few keyword to google will help! |
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| 12:38.51 | stefanha | Is it possible to add co-mentors to a proposal? I don't see a way to do that in Melange. |
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| 12:41.22 | braverock | stefanha: if you go here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2013#mentoring_projects as the org admin, you can select a project and add additional mentors |
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| 12:42.31 | braverock | once you select a project, on the left hand side, you'll see a blue box labeled 'Project Actions' with the primary mentor for the project that you selected when accepting the proposal. under that, there is an 'Add New' link |
| 12:42.41 | stefanha | braverock: I missed the "Add new" link the first time. Thanks for pointing it out! |
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| 13:05.38 | Framedragger | hi all :) i'm sure i should just wait, but i've submitted a proof of enrollment form (online transcript pdf) and am not sure if it'll do. i suppose i will be contacted via email if the form is rejected? |
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| 13:12.34 | Framedragger | (nevermind - just got a nice certification form, so ignore my prev question) |
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| 13:22.00 | dfighter | Framedragger yes you are contacted only if there's a problem |
| 13:22.10 | Framedragger | nice, good to know, thanks :) |
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| 13:28.00 | Uni_ | Hello, is it normal that I can't edit the additional information of my project any more? |
| 13:29.45 | dark-al | hi. Can I submit proof of enrollment as a letter form that I'm studying at the university, but this letter is not addressed to google? |
| 13:31.01 | dark-al | Uni_, My Dasboard -> Projects -> *select your project* -> Update or Upload Code Samples |
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| 13:33.16 | Uni_ | Thank you ;) Strange that I missed that. |
| 13:33.44 | dark-al | yw :) |
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| 13:37.15 | Uni_ | I'm just going to scan my university ID card as proof of enrollment, seems the easiest option to me. :) |
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| 13:41.38 | linger | lingz hi how's it going |
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| 13:50.49 | lingz | for the tax forms |
| 13:50.57 | lingz | What is a student "based in the United States" |
| 13:51.02 | lingz | does that mean someone who studies there on an F1? |
| 13:51.11 | lingz | Or someone who is going to be there over summer |
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| 13:53.23 | Framedragger | the latter, as i understand |
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| 13:55.03 | lingz | But |
| 13:55.06 | lingz | I don't have legal status to work |
| 13:55.09 | lingz | so how can I pay taxes? |
| 13:55.14 | lingz | Not in the US |
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| 13:57.44 | lingz | I have an F1 but only for 2 months |
| 13:57.48 | lingz | but I will be residing in the US |
| 13:57.52 | lingz | doesn't that mean I can't submit a tax form? |
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| 13:59.32 | gevaerts | lingz: if you can't legally work where you are, that's a serious problem... |
| 13:59.48 | lingz | gevaerts: I'm just visiting there |
| 13:59.54 | lingz | For some time |
| 13:59.55 | lingz | over the Summer |
| 14:00.08 | lingz | It's not my normal country of residence - |
| 14:00.39 | lingz | What about people who travel during summer? surely they go to countries where they don't have working status during the program? |
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| 14:01.17 | gevaerts | Are you talking about a week or so, or about a large chunk of the gsoc time? |
| 14:01.49 | lingz | gevaerts: Like I'll be there for 2 months doing a summer course |
| 14:01.57 | lingz | gevaerts: On a F1 |
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| 14:02.26 | lingz | gevaerts: but I haven't had an F1 long enough to get a CPT, so I can't get work |
| 14:02.26 | gevaerts | finds http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#6._I_am_an_accepted_student_in_the |
| 14:02.33 | gevaerts | Right |
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| 14:03.09 | gevaerts | In that case, I suspect you have an interesting situation to resolve... |
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| 14:03.36 | gevaerts | can't really help with that |
| 14:03.49 | lingz | gevaerts: Hmm, who would be the appropriate contact? |
| 14:05.39 | gevaerts | Well, you could of course always email carols, but I'm not sure if she'll be able to do much more than tell you you need to be allowed to work... |
| 14:06.16 | lingz | Okay thanks |
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| 14:06.20 | lingz | I think I can contact my school |
| 14:06.23 | lingz | and they'll help me sort it out |
| 14:07.17 | gevaerts | Yes, they're probably the most likely to be able to actually achieve something constructive |
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| 14:07.46 | lingz | Thanks |
| 14:08.24 | aciid | for once I feel glad to not be travelling in summers :| |
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| 14:09.05 | Uni_ | We need to be coding.. not travelling. ;) |
| 14:09.25 | aciid | QFT :D |
| 14:09.34 | Framedragger | coding+traveling goes well sometimes, though :) |
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| 14:41.24 | Achillion | forms |
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| 14:41.34 | Achillion | No one likes forms |
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| 14:44.59 | akif500 | I got a doubt in Student Foriegn Certification form its written printed Name that means that the name has to be printed or is it name given on profile page of Melange ? |
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| 14:46.29 | Achillion | It just needs your name in clear writing afaict cause signatures are usually unreadable |
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| 14:48.57 | akif500 | Achillion: thanks |
| 14:50.46 | dark-al | "Please also note that any residents of Argentina, Belarus, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Kazakhstan, Mexico, Peru, Russia, and the Ukraine that participate in the program will not receive a t-shirt or any promotional items for their participation." |
| 14:50.55 | dark-al | I'm sad to hear that :( |
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| 14:51.18 | Achillion | comfort dark-al |
| 14:51.22 | Achillion | comforts* |
| 14:52.07 | dark-al | I'm from Belarus and in last year successful receive all stuff from google |
| 14:52.25 | ashmew2 | was it fun dark-al ? |
| 14:53.54 | dark-al | ashmew2, sorry not much understand your question |
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| 14:54.12 | ashmew2 | how was the overall experience, being a part of gsoc? |
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| 14:54.41 | dark-al | ashmew2, it's really cool |
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| 14:55.39 | dark-al | I really got a lot of experience |
| 14:57.51 | dark-al | carols, hi. Can you say why in this year students from Belarus will not receive any things, except bank card and certificate from google? |
| 14:59.34 | carols | dark-al: because customs has given us too many problems with the packages we've sent there in the past. |
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| 15:01.30 | dark-al | iirc, from Belarus just 7 students take part in gsoc and I'm not have any problems with customs |
| 15:03.01 | dark-al | what problems for google just sent items? I really want new t-shirt from google... |
| 15:04.43 | carols | i'm happy to talk to you about it directly in email. you will not receive a tshirt if you live in belarus. |
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| 15:06.16 | dark-al | carols, can we speak in pm? |
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| 15:06.22 | carols | sure. |
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| 15:16.19 | flix | carols: Hi! I figured out I made a mistake while filling out the shipment address. I corrected it now. It was not to late, right? |
| 15:16.33 | carols | flix: please email it to me. |
| 15:16.37 | carols | has some more coffee. |
| 15:17.17 | flix | carols: okay, thanks |
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| 15:22.39 | kai | !this cookie | carols |
| 15:22.40 | gsocbot | carols: "this cookie" is for you |
| 15:22.45 | carols | thanks kai |
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| 15:23.25 | kai | carols: I was just thinking that we could direct complaints to your evil twin carlos. that'd make everybody's life easier ;) |
| 15:23.52 | carols | yeah, if i has a penny for the number of times someone's called me "mr." or "carlos" |
| 15:23.57 | carols | i'd be a millionaire. |
| 15:24.46 | jjs1 | !this cookie | gsocbot |
| 15:24.46 | gsocbot | jjs1: "this cookie" is for you |
| 15:24.48 | Achillion | hey carlos |
| 15:24.56 | Achillion | ... too obvious |
| 15:25.01 | jjs1 | No gsocbot, It's for you. :-( |
| 15:25.13 | kai | !cookie |
| 15:25.13 | gsocbot | kai: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 15:25.19 | Achillion | carols: do you have your IRC client highlighting carlos as well as your real nick? |
| 15:25.28 | carols | no |
| 15:25.59 | Achillion | :) just curious |
| 15:26.02 | aplavin | carols: could you please clarify about filling todo list? e.g. what should be in "additional info"? |
| 15:26.18 | carols | aplavin: any additional information about your project. |
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| 15:27.07 | aplavin | carols: but as it's a required field, aren't there any requirements? so, i can just copy my proposal there? |
| 15:27.16 | carols | whatever you like. |
| 15:27.23 | jjs1 | wonders what would happen if he changed his name to "!cookie" and said "!cookie" |
| 15:27.38 | Achillion | can't start a nick with a bang |
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| 15:28.00 | jjs1 | Aha, I guess that's why it was chosen. :-) |
| 15:28.33 | Achillion | probably can't start with a number either. Must be a letter |
| 15:28.37 | aplavin | carols: ok. another question is about selecting school name from autocomplete: my university isn't there, so i should just ignore it? |
| 15:28.46 | carols | just manually enter it. |
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| 15:31.35 | yogev_ezra | !learn carlos as The name is carols (Carol Smith) and she is a female |
| 15:31.36 | gsocbot | yogev_ezra: "carlos" is The name is carols (Carol Smith) and she is a female |
| 15:31.45 | yogev_ezra | :-) |
| 15:32.03 | carols | thanks, but please delete that. |
| 15:32.16 | carols | i don't want a FAQ about my gender in the bot. |
| 15:32.19 | kai | !forget carlos |
| 15:32.21 | yogev_ezra | !forget carlos |
| 15:32.21 | gsocbot | kai: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:32.22 | gsocbot | yogev_ezra: Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 15:32.28 | carols | unless you're planning on listing the gender for every person in here. |
| 15:32.34 | yogev_ezra | :-( |
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| 15:33.07 | carols | instead, please work on how we can get people to stop assuming that if you run gsoc you must be a man. |
| 15:33.13 | carols | let's figure out the solution to that instead. |
| 15:33.49 | yogev_ezra | carols: Why don't you just change your nick to "Carol". That would probably solve 50% of the problems |
| 15:33.58 | kai | yogev_ezra: why should she? |
| 15:34.05 | carols | because my nick should be whatever i want it to be. |
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| 15:35.34 | yogev_ezra | kai: noone should, but you want to reduce errors, don't you? |
| 15:36.04 | kai | I want to have cake. :) |
| 15:36.16 | MatthewWilkes | maybe I should just be "M"? |
| 15:36.26 | MatthewWilkes | That way there'd be fewer MathewWilkes |
| 15:36.54 | Achillion | M's taken. Probably by that Bond character |
| 15:37.25 | MatthewWilkes | Matth then? |
| 15:37.32 | gevaerts | yogev_ezra: the idea is to get rid of bad assumptions, not just to help people with wrong preconceptions find the right answer without fixing their preconceptions |
| 15:38.11 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: if you just want to shorten it, I'd say one of those ws halfway is redundant :) |
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| 15:38.32 | Achillion | MatWil |
| 15:38.55 | Achillion | Or Matwil to hide the origin |
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| 15:38.59 | MatthewWilkes | mawi? |
| 15:39.07 | yogev_ezra | gevaerts: well, write a blog post about it? if the point is to do something, then i can suggest how to fix things. if the point is just to complain... |
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| 15:39.13 | MatthewWilkes | Or maybe I could be carlos, and then people would listen to what I say if they misread |
| 15:39.16 | chro | hi, during the gsoc bonding I will be working at the same location, which is outside US. Therefore I just need to submit this form: https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/detail?name=ForeignCertificationForm2013.pdf&can=2&q=#makechanges Is this correct? |
| 15:39.49 | chro | *always at the same location |
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| 15:39.58 | kai | MathewWillkes: smart move ;) |
| 15:40.28 | MatthewWilkes | shakes his fist at kai |
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| 15:43.41 | iRaghu | is the tax form upload is the foreign certification form only? |
| 15:44.02 | system64 | Hello carols, my University has 3 campuses. For statistics you might want to have different entries for every campus in autocomplete. |
| 15:44.14 | swook | Unfortunately (and unsurprisingly) the common latin first name carlos is already being used on freenode. |
| 15:44.20 | carols | system64: then just manually enter it. |
| 15:44.30 | iRaghu | system64: BITS Pilani? |
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| 15:45.09 | system64 | iRaghu: yes |
| 15:45.22 | iRaghu | :) me too. |
| 15:45.28 | chro | iRaghu, that was also my question |
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| 15:46.40 | SunuTheNinja | carols: Choosing from dropdown is not really compulsory then? |
| 15:46.41 | chro | iRaghu, that's the only thing needed for taxes right? |
| 15:46.46 | carols | SunuTheNinja: no |
| 15:47.07 | iRaghu | carols: please answer chro, it solves my problem too :) |
| 15:47.08 | SunuTheNinja | carols: ok |
| 15:47.22 | carols | what's the question? |
| 15:47.37 | chro | <chro> hi, during the gsoc bonding I will be working at the same location, which is outside US. Therefore I just need to submit this form: https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/detail?name=ForeignCertificationForm2013.pdf&can=2&q=#makechanges Is this correct? |
| 15:47.51 | chro | it's just to confirm that the only thing needed for taxes is that form |
| 15:48.05 | system64 | iRaghu: Nice! Which campus? |
| 15:48.12 | iRaghu | Goa |
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| 15:48.48 | jjs1 | chro: "If you do not do any work inside the United States, regardless of where else you may do work, only a Foreign Certification Form is required." |
| 15:49.04 | carols | for the tax form, yes. |
| 15:49.15 | jjs1 | from referenced item [0] in your acceptance email |
| 15:49.20 | SunuTheNinja | Another question, after uploading the forms when do I get to know if the document I submitted is sufficient? |
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| 15:49.49 | chro | thanks |
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| 15:50.18 | iRaghu | carols: why is the additional info form now blank again, we have to fill in the same information as in the proposal we had sent? |
| 15:50.28 | carols | fill in whatever you like. |
| 15:53.43 | akif500 | when we will be invited to student mailing list ? |
| 15:54.17 | carols | akif500: soon. |
| 15:54.20 | aplavin | carols: should i print the tax pdf file, fill, scan and send it, or just fill in the electronic version is enough? |
| 15:54.39 | carols | aplavin: send it? you mean email it to me? |
| 15:54.45 | aplavin | no, upload |
| 15:54.56 | carols | yes, please upload it. |
| 15:55.48 | chro | carols, but filling in the electronic version is enough? or do we need to manually fill it and scan it? |
| 15:55.55 | iRaghu | aplavin: I guess an electronic signature is enough |
| 15:56.01 | carols | you have to sign it, i believe? |
| 15:56.07 | carols | you can't do that electronically, can you? |
| 15:56.13 | gevaerts | Well... |
| 15:56.18 | gevaerts | can :) |
| 15:56.23 | chro | yes, I can, but ok I will scan it |
| 15:56.35 | gevaerts | Not sure if the other side will know how to validate it though |
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| 15:59.36 | Gentlecat | carols: Can I upload more than one file in the enrollment form? I'm trying to upload translation since my document is not in English, but it just replaces the original file. |
| 15:59.46 | carols | sure, just zip it up. |
| 15:59.50 | aplavin | and are high-quality photos of documents ok? (instead of scans) |
| 15:59.55 | Gentlecat | Oh, right |
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| 16:03.06 | Uni_ | aplavin: normally you don't see the difference between a decent photo and a scan, don't you? |
| 16:04.02 | breton | aplavin: it was ok last year |
| 16:04.11 | aplavin | Uni_: actually the difference is different perspective and light :) |
| 16:04.17 | aplavin | breton: good |
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| 16:10.37 | aplavin | as for foreign certification form, what exactly should be written at the "printed name" field? at "address"? (full address seems too long for it) |
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| 16:13.58 | carols | aplavin: your name. |
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| 16:16.54 | aplavin | carols: ok. And what about "address" field? |
| 16:18.14 | carols | aplavin: your address. |
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| 16:18.25 | aplavin | carols: full address seems too long for the field |
| 16:18.33 | carols | write smaller :-) |
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| 16:19.06 | chro | carols, printed name can be just the first and last name, or should it be the completed name? |
| 16:19.15 | carols | chro: your full legal name. |
| 16:19.15 | chro | complete* |
| 16:19.17 | chro | ok |
| 16:19.54 | aplavin | are there strict rules for this, or the field content can last more than the underlined part? |
| 16:20.05 | jjs1 | What do we put in "date"? |
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| 16:20.15 | jjs1 | sorry, sorry :-) |
| 16:21.20 | jjs1 | wonders if sarcasm can get you kicked out of GSoC |
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| 16:22.04 | derdon | jjs1: I got a serious warning for using sarcasm here once :( |
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| 16:22.19 | derdon | #gsoc is no place for sarcasm-lovers |
| 16:22.25 | jjs1 | to be fair it's not very helpful |
| 16:22.40 | derdon | but it's fun :) |
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| 16:23.05 | jjs1 | also it's sometimes hard to appreciate with text |
| 16:23.24 | jjs1 | hence my '/me'-based exposition |
| 16:24.12 | derdon | it's also hard for others to detect sarcasm when talking with me directly ;) |
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| 16:24.47 | Achillion | Sarcasm needs a special kind of punctuation |
| 16:25.11 | Achillion | I've seen ~ being suggested |
| 16:25.12 | jjs1 | Achillion: how about ':P' ? |
| 16:25.14 | derdon | yes, a really good idea </sarcasm> |
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| 16:25.30 | Achillion | derdon's is the most obvious |
| 16:25.42 | Achillion | which I guess is appropriate |
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| 16:27.28 | jjs1 | It sort of removes the nuances though |
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| 16:28.20 | Achillion | nods |
| 16:28.42 | derdon | just exagerate hard enough so others can think "this must be sarcastic" |
| 16:28.50 | Achillion | Tried that too |
| 16:28.59 | galaxyAbstractor | Can the tax form be filled in electronically or do I have to print it and scan it? And is the address field really your entire address? Here in Sweden on contracts it's just the city you are in when signing usually |
| 16:29.19 | Achillion | derdon: but there's always http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law |
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| 16:32.41 | derdon | Achillion: yep, exactly that happened to me here :( |
| 16:32.51 | derdon | Achillion: it helps if people know you though |
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| 16:34.06 | Achillion | yup |
| 16:34.13 | jjs1 | And then there are people who apply Hanlon's razor before Poe's Law. :P |
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| 16:36.24 | Achillion | :) |
| 16:36.35 | jjs1 | Oh hey, Achillion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation |
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| 16:37.14 | Achillion | sweet |
| 16:38.40 | jjs1 | We should stop this off-topic conversation. galaxyAbstractor's question got buried. |
| 16:39.18 | jjs1 | </sincerity> |
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| 16:42.32 | Achillion | nods and goes back to his work. |
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| 16:43.55 | jjs1 | carols, you can have your channel back now. Please don't hate us! :-( |
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| 17:00.32 | banas | gevaerts: In case it helps you answer future questions: I emailed carols and the address issue has been resolved. It will be sent to my new address :) |
| 17:01.17 | antonio0 | !logs |
| 17:01.17 | gsocbot | antonio0: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 17:01.31 | gevaerts | banas: excellent. Except the bit where "email carols" is the answer to yet another problem :) |
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| 17:02.25 | banas | yep. :) But this might not work if done a little later. |
| 17:02.57 | gevaerts | Yes, I suspect so |
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| 17:17.10 | kpradesh_ | hi all. |
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| 17:20.41 | kpradesh_ | I graduated from university ~2 months ago ending my bachelor degree. For now, I'm attending because my university does not permit me to enroll before september. What kind of documents shall I send to google? |
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| 17:21.39 | braverock | kpradesh_: you'll need to talk to the university that you'll be attending in the pfall and ask them for something you can send to Google |
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| 17:22.36 | kpradesh_ | braverock: In that case, wouldn't it be the wrong date? |
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| 17:23.56 | braverock | kpradesh_: I don't work for Google, but the FAQ for students says that proof of admittance is acceptable |
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| 17:37.14 | kpradesh_ | Can anybody from google help me through this uncomfortable situation? |
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| 17:39.02 | paultag | you might be waiting a while |
| 17:39.11 | kpradesh_ | ok, no problem |
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| 17:39.18 | paultag | some of us non-google common folks might be able to help if you just ask. |
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| 17:42.14 | kpradesh_ | my main problem is that i graduated in march, and until september I'm not formally enrolled in a university. |
| 17:42.36 | gevaerts | kpradesh_: I don't see anyone from google currently in the channel. If you do want to talk to them (i.e. replies from experienced gsoc people aren't good enough), I'd recommend email |
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| 17:43.10 | kpradesh_ | I'm a student between bachelor and master degree, but formally I'm in a hole where I'm not a student :( |
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| 17:43.29 | Achillion | kpradesh_: someone with the same issue on the discussion group |
| 17:43.39 | Achillion | I think |
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| 17:59.29 | kpradesh_ | Achillion: maybe could you link me it? |
| 17:59.40 | kpradesh_ | please :) |
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| 18:01.53 | Achillion | kpradesh_: well, this is the group https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/google-summer-of-code-discuss . There's a few threads that started in the last 24 hours, some relate to the documents. See if those answer your questions. |
| 18:02.12 | kpradesh_ | ok, thank you :) |
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| 20:22.21 | span | !logs |
| 20:22.21 | gsocbot | span: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 20:25.14 | jjs1 | The accepted project with the longest title: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2013/barnesj/12001 |
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| 20:28.03 | jjs1 | It sounds really interesting. And complex :-) |
| 20:28.19 | paultag | hahahaha |
| 20:28.51 | paultag | sounds like it wasn't written by a hacker |
| 20:29.04 | paultag | hummm. |
| 20:29.26 | paultag | Portalnd State Uni. |
| 20:29.43 | paultag | I wonder how many of those students are also portland state students … |
| 20:30.12 | derdon | time for conspiracies? :P |
| 20:30.24 | paultag | just wondering |
| 20:30.26 | jjs1 | I don't see why that would matter |
| 20:30.30 | paultag | I know how tight budgets are these days |
| 20:30.42 | paultag | I don't really care, I just wonder. |
| 20:31.03 | jjs1 | "Tags: academia ...". That's in keeping with that project title :-) |
| 20:31.33 | schumaml | gsoc isn't public tendering |
| 20:31.37 | jjs1 | As you say, paultag, not something written by a hacker |
| 20:31.54 | paultag | again, I don't care |
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| 20:32.03 | paultag | I'm just curious as to how many PSU students were accepted |
| 20:32.07 | paultag | (to the PSU orga) |
| 20:32.20 | jjs1 | It would be quite nice to know that information in general |
| 20:32.31 | jjs1 | I'd like to know if any others from my uni were accepted |
| 20:32.51 | jjs1 | So that we can meet ... and hi5! ;) |
| 20:33.47 | jjs1 | And then ... feel awkward probably. |
| 20:34.01 | derdon | people with hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia shouldn't read the title |
| 20:35.04 | jjs1 | Though none of those words are particularly long |
| 20:35.19 | Achillion | aaaaaaand that is indeed an actual word |
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| 20:35.49 | derdon | jjs1: right, my ba |
| 20:35.50 | derdon | *bad |
| 20:36.15 | jjs1 | Perhaps we could coin a word for long project titles :) |
| 20:38.13 | jjs1 | That one is: hippopoto- monstro- sesquipedalio- phobia; by my reckoning |
| 20:38.21 | jjs1 | I don't see the part about words :S |
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| 20:40.03 | jjs1 | "sesquipedalian - adj. (of a word) Polysyllabic; long" |
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| 20:40.27 | gsteph|away | !next |
| 20:40.28 | gsocbot | gsteph|away: "next" is Community Bonding Period: Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
| 20:41.30 | derdon | if this is next, then what is "current"? |
| 20:41.50 | gevaerts | derdon: some sort of berry |
| 20:41.58 | gevaerts | I think |
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| 20:46.27 | derdon | on IRC even when you're on your bed, what an addict! |
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| 21:12.58 | cypha_foss | any other students from greece here? :P |
| 21:14.38 | h3llborn | anyone from germany or canada? haha |
| 21:16.29 | derdon | h3llborn: yep, I'm from Germany |
| 21:16.50 | h3llborn | ich wurde da geboren |
| 21:17.18 | h3llborn | jetzt wohne Ich in Kanada |
| 21:17.38 | DeNiS_M | cypha_foss: hi there |
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| 21:22.21 | derdon | h3llborn: must be pretty nice! I want to spend my holidays somewhere in Canda once in my lifetime |
| 21:22.47 | h3llborn | its alright derdon, except tution sucks :( |
| 21:22.51 | h3llborn | 7.5k a year |
| 21:22.55 | h3llborn | in ontario |
| 21:23.37 | derdon | that's rough |
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| 21:26.41 | derdon | h3llborn: the first semester was 261€, it depends a bit on the cost of the semester ticket. so you can say it's perhaps 520€-540€ per year for me :) |
| 21:27.15 | h3llborn | aha lucky, I wish, I could have paid for my phd by now in germany :P |
| 21:27.16 | derdon | a friend of mine pays even less (eastern part of Germany) |
| 21:27.26 | h3llborn | im osten haha natuerlich :P |
| 21:27.30 | derdon | :D |
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| 21:27.42 | h3llborn | ich wohnte in niedersachsen fuer 12 jahre |
| 21:27.47 | derdon | didn't wana use the term "Eastern Germany" ;) |
| 21:28.13 | derdon | h3llborn: I did even longer. moved to Bremen this year in January |
| 21:28.35 | h3llborn | oh cool, ich wohnte in Braunschweig |
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| 21:31.25 | h3llborn | derdon, bremen ist aber auch schoen, ich denke jedesmal an die braemer stadt musikanten ahaha |
| 21:33.27 | derdon | :) |
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| 21:51.31 | qgil | Hi there, I was told that after the announcement of selected participants org admins would be able to add more than one mentor per project... |
| 21:51.37 | qgil | ... but I still can't find the way to do this. |
| 21:51.45 | qgil | any ideas? |
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