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| 04:27.45 | mithro- | Heyo people |
| 04:28.03 | mithro- | If I disable scoring for my organisation - how do I rank the proposals? |
| 04:28.37 | ojwb | mithro-: you just mark the ones to accept |
| 04:30.52 | mithro- | ojwb, so we have more students then we have slots - we have requested more but we have no idea if we'd get them, how do we deal with that? |
| 04:31.24 | ojwb | make sure things are marked as you want when things are finalised |
| 04:32.20 | ojwb | i think there are some rules about which students it picks if you mark more than you have slots, but personally I'd check you have the ones you want marked correctly and no more |
| 04:33.03 | mithro- | We have a definite order of the proposals and previously there was a way to rank them and a big red line |
| 04:33.14 | ojwb | it's changed since then |
| 04:33.44 | mithro- | yes, I've noticed :) |
| 04:34.00 | ojwb | isn't an admin this year, so I'm just going on what I recall from last year |
| 04:34.03 | mithro- | ojwb, So I'm trying to figure out how to emulate that.... |
| 04:34.05 | ojwb | but I doubt they changed it back |
| 04:34.14 | ojwb | enable scoring, set the scores, disable it? |
| 04:34.49 | ojwb | but i'm pretty sure the official line is to mark N students to accept when N is the number of slots you have |
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| 04:35.05 | mithro- | is there a way to override the scores to be a given value? |
| 04:35.23 | ojwb | not sure |
| 04:35.43 | hiker | Scoring is only for the orgs, it has nothing to do with selecting students ... except as a tool of course |
| 04:38.25 | ojwb | yeah, it used to be that the score order was the determining factor, but that's changed |
| 04:38.45 | ojwb | and there was a very confusing feature where the admin could force a rank for a proposal |
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| 04:39.04 | ojwb | i never really understood how that interacted with the scores |
| 04:39.54 | ojwb | the current way requires the admin to be more attentive rather than just letting N students get selected |
| 04:40.02 | ojwb | but overall I think that's a good thing |
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| 04:40.43 | hiker | Yes, I was a bit confused originally as well, since I thought the ranking would be used and google just selects the top X students. |
| 04:40.49 | ojwb | unless all your mentors are interchangeable, you really needed to keep a closer eye on things before anyway |
| 04:41.33 | hiker | But this way works fine (for us) - we just all rank individually, then look at top scores (and students with big differences in their scores), and then battle it out ;) |
| 04:42.00 | wooo | Hey, After submitting proposal on 3rd may, there is no mail from my mentors. Is that mean my proposal is not selected? Do I need to ask them something? |
| 04:42.22 | ojwb | wooo: it doesn't mean anything necessarily |
| 04:42.38 | ojwb | could just mean they're busy sorted through a big pile of proposals |
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| 04:43.14 | hiker | Deadline for proposal selection is 24th, so still a fair while ;) |
| 04:44.05 | wooo | Is there some limitation about number of proposal that can be selected by any organisation by google? |
| 04:44.13 | ojwb | yes |
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| 04:44.30 | ojwb | !slots | wooo |
| 04:44.31 | gsocbot | wooo: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
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| 04:47.34 | wooo | The organization in which I have submitted proposal had selected 3 students last year. It doesn't mean that they will only allow to select 3 students this time also.right? |
| 04:48.38 | mithro- | ojwb, I just set the scoring method to allow me to set 12s |
| 04:49.01 | ojwb | wooo: past performance is no guide to future performance |
| 04:49.29 | ojwb | though if they were limited by the number of mentors last year, they may be again this time |
| 04:50.11 | wooo | ojwb: ok. |
| 04:50.39 | ojwb | first time orgs are usually limited to a smaller number of students too, so if they were new last year, that was probably a factor |
| 04:51.21 | wooo | ojwb: yeah, last year it was 1st time for them. |
| 04:51.30 | wooo | Does google also review the proposal, or only particular organisation review it? |
| 04:53.46 | ojwb | just the org |
| 04:54.08 | ojwb | there's only really carols handling gsoc at google |
| 04:54.47 | ojwb | if she spent 5 minutes looking at each proposal for her whole working week, it'd take her the whole coding period to get through them all |
| 04:55.55 | ojwb | so i guess it might get looked at if there's a problem of some sort, but usually not |
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| 04:58.29 | wooo | Hey one more doubt, why google pay students which are not even working for them? Is this in anyway help google also?Just curious to know |
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| 05:01.55 | ojwb | wooo: i think it's mostly philanthropic |
| 05:02.15 | ojwb | they use a lot of open source stuff, so it's good to give back too |
| 05:08.23 | xanat0s | wooo: probably for reasons similar to why the bill & melinda gates foundation has donated billions of dollars. because it benefits the world community |
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| 05:12.10 | xanat0s | wooo: and the mentoring organizations also get paid, not just the students |
| 05:14.05 | wooo | xanat0s: oh wow. I didn't know that. How much google pays to mentoring organisation? and also I am not sure how much they pay to students? |
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| 05:24.57 | ashwini | !logs |
| 05:24.57 | gsocbot | ashwini: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 05:53.40 | PrathamR | !next |
| 05:53.41 | gsocbot | PrathamR: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 06:10.23 | fewcha | !slots | kde |
| 06:10.23 | gsocbot | fewcha: Error: No such user. |
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| 06:11.43 | fewcha | !slots |
| 06:11.43 | gsocbot | fewcha: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 06:12.05 | p_l|omoikane | haha |
| 06:12.18 | p_l|omoikane | reminds me of the description of MITs student selection |
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| 08:44.18 | yuto | Can someone answer a question about protocol for mentoring organizations during this period? |
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| 08:51.06 | stefanha | yuto: Don't ask to ask, just ask. The official word on GSoC comes from carols and Google folks though. |
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| 08:55.17 | yuto | Okay - the organization i applied to has now asked me to whip up an improvement to their application as a means of evaluation |
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| 08:56.07 | yuto | which, to my understanding, is the entire point of GSOC |
| 08:56.49 | yuto | so to be clear, they are asking me to write code to improve their application, and then to publish said code through github |
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| 08:57.31 | yuto | is this even bordering appropriate? |
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| 08:58.11 | Krystof | I would say yes: to an organization, you need to demonstrate competence before they trust to invest a large amount of time in you |
| 08:58.35 | yuto | competence can be demonstrated in a number of ways |
| 08:58.46 | darnir | yuto: Like? |
| 08:58.55 | yuto | I can show code I have written |
| 08:59.08 | Krystof | from looking at various organization's suggestions for applicants, it's not at all unusual to see "you must fix a bug for your application to be considered" |
| 08:59.09 | yuto | or they can give me a code test |
| 08:59.32 | darnir | yuto: Writing code for yourself is *very* different from collaborative writing |
| 08:59.41 | yuto | sure, again, i wan't asked to fix a bug |
| 08:59.47 | yuto | or demonstrate coding ability |
| 09:00.03 | yuto | I was asked to code an improvement to their application |
| 09:00.18 | darnir | Improving the application is in a way a bug fix and a demonstration of your coding ability. |
| 09:00.26 | Krystof | yuto: well, you can of course refuse |
| 09:00.27 | Guest33088 | @yuto which organisation have u applied to ??? |
| 09:00.32 | yuto | an entirely diferent matter |
| 09:00.35 | darnir | In any case, you're always free to reject if you don't like the rules. |
| 09:01.00 | yuto | ...that is what I am asking, is this allowed by Google? |
| 09:01.14 | yuto | I see nothing about extending applications during this period |
| 09:01.19 | yuto | prior to selection |
| 09:01.19 | Guest33088 | and there should be no problem in fixing the bug |
| 09:01.42 | darnir | P.S. The whole point of GSoC is to improve Open Source programs. The point is that you end up being an active committer even after the program when you're not being paid for it. |
| 09:01.43 | Guest33088 | No It is Prior to the RULES |
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| 09:02.26 | Krystof | yuto: from the timeline, in this interim period: "Mentoring organizations review and rank student proposals; where necessary, mentoring organizations may request further proposal detail from the student applicant." |
| 09:02.28 | yuto | I don't understand Guest |
| 09:02.45 | yuto | yes, further detail about my proposal |
| 09:03.01 | Krystof | which might include "demonstration of willingness to work in a project-approved way" |
| 09:03.06 | yuto | it says nothing about improving their application |
| 09:03.31 | darnir | If only carols were here. This debate would be put to an end within seconds. |
| 09:03.33 | yuto | that is a very loose reading of those words Krystof |
| 09:03.34 | swook | yuto: does this 'improvement of their application' require massive amounts of time? |
| 09:03.53 | Krystof | yuto: as a meta-point, I would advise against arguing too closely to the letter of what is written |
| 09:04.05 | yuto | yes - they were very specific that it cannot be a 'toy' or surface improvement |
| 09:04.12 | Krystof | even if you are technically correct, you use up the energy of a lot of volunteers |
| 09:04.21 | darnir | yuto: They can and may ask you to write code for them prior to your selection. Period. Now stop cribbing about it and start coding. |
| 09:05.17 | jjs1 | (hi peeps) yuto: basically you should be showing off |
| 09:05.24 | yuto | darnir, your tone is unappreciated |
| 09:05.48 | DeNiS_M | yuto do you worry that you will end up coding the improvement but not get selected from the org? |
| 09:06.02 | yuto | DeNiS, yes |
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| 09:06.50 | DeNiS_M | i think that if you do a good job |
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| 09:07.00 | DeNiS_M | you will get selected |
| 09:07.39 | yuto | that is a nice thought Denis |
| 09:07.49 | darnir | I still don't understand. This whole thing is about voluntarily writing code. I have submitted multiple patches to my mentoring org. aleady. And either ways I've already told them whether I am selected or not, I *will* work on and finish the proposed project. |
| 09:07.53 | DeNiS_M | it is my first time in gsoc |
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| 09:08.15 | swook | if the task is not possible within the time given, I would tell them so and why but still attempt to do some of it |
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| 09:08.20 | swook | realistic planning can be important |
| 09:08.29 | darnir | swook: +1 |
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| 09:09.18 | yuto | darnir, let's be realistic - the writing of code is being incentivised for a reason |
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| 09:09.34 | darnir | And that being? |
| 09:09.55 | yuto | that is, if I was going to improve the application without selection, we would'nt be having this discussion |
| 09:10.23 | yuto | participation and selection in GSOC is definitely the incentive |
| 09:10.26 | swook | I think GSoC is about inspiration and encouragement, not about the actual funding involved |
| 09:10.54 | darnir | IMO, that is the wrong kind of mindset. Because this clearly shows that you are not interested in working for the organization when not being paid to do it. |
| 09:11.11 | yuto | I haven't said money, I have internship offers that would net me triple over the same period |
| 09:11.20 | yuto | the selection is the incentive |
| 09:11.21 | swook | also encouraging thought: They might see you as a candidate with potential and have not asked for this from other candidates. |
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| 09:11.40 | sinhayash | I think prove yourself implies selection, not that they will guarantee your selection and then you shall do the coding. |
| 09:11.59 | swook | yuto: I've personally not been contacted by my org yet |
| 09:12.02 | darnir | And since you wish to follow the rules to the word. Google wants organizations to make committers out of these students. That statistic is taken into consideration the next year. |
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| 09:12.10 | yuto | the organazation is wonderful, but selection should be based on the strength of the proposal |
| 09:12.20 | Krystof | why? |
| 09:12.29 | swook | which the organisation can decide the content of |
| 09:12.33 | yuto | because that is what is said in the rules |
| 09:12.38 | swook | I've seen some crazy application templates |
| 09:12.52 | DeNiS_M | the proposal is the main criteria |
| 09:13.04 | DeNiS_M | but not the one that will decide the acceptance |
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| 09:13.21 | yuto | I completed their proposal, but none of my ideas were even addressed in their reply |
| 09:13.33 | yuto | they simply want me to improve their application |
| 09:14.14 | DeNiS_M | have you told them 'what about my proposal.Any feedback?' |
| 09:14.32 | darnir | You do realize that being able to improve their application means you are capable of reading other people's code and able to adopt your coding style to the organization's. |
| 09:14.44 | darnir | A *very* important characteristic |
| 09:14.55 | Krystof | yuto: you don't sound happy. And an unhappy person browbeating a volunteer organization, no matter what the rights and wrongs, doesn't lead to more happiness. |
| 09:15.31 | yuto | I replied with my concerns, and recieved a pretty terse response that said essentially, 'I disagree that this is unethical' |
| 09:15.42 | Krystof | then I would say "thanks, but no thanks" |
| 09:15.49 | Krystof | and take up one of your other internship offers |
| 09:15.50 | yuto | which is why I seek official clarification |
| 09:16.05 | yuto | Krystof, certainly a possibility |
| 09:16.20 | Krystof | I would suggest it more strongly than a possibility: I think you are likely to be happier |
| 09:16.38 | darnir | yuto: Try mailing the mailing list. carols is the only person who can give you an official reply and she ain't online right now. |
| 09:16.50 | Krystof | and your organization, which you support even if you disagree with their interpretation of the "rules", will probably be happier too. |
| 09:17.18 | yuto | at this point Krystof, it is likely, just wanted to be certain that something shady was not going on |
| 09:17.30 | |Kev| | yuto: Was the original question "Are orgs allowed to ask for students to fix bugs and things as part of the application process"? |
| 09:17.56 | Krystof | (but you're of course free to do as you wish. I'm afraid I've spent all I can on this) |
| 09:17.56 | swook | I think the main issue is the size of the task requested... |
| 09:18.06 | swook | but we can't know without breach of confidentiality |
| 09:18.10 | swook | so this should be taken up with carols |
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| 09:18.19 | |Kev| | If so, the answer is that it's not only allowed, but encouraged that students submit some patch(es) along with the application. |
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| 09:18.23 | swook | note she's at timezone, PDT |
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| 09:19.22 | darnir | |Kev|: His main frustration is that the org. did not ask for a bug fix but for a feature addition. |
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| 09:19.34 | |Kev| | That's fine too. |
| 09:19.37 | darnir | However, the size of the task is yet unknown. |
| 09:19.55 | |Kev| | These are often called 'teaser tasks'. |
| 09:20.06 | yuto | Kev, the question was 'Are mentoring organization's allowed to ask for imporvements to their applications as a means for applicant selection?' |
| 09:20.25 | |Kev| | Yes, they are. |
| 09:20.29 | |Kev| | It's encouraged. |
| 09:20.29 | swook | you say "improvement" constantly but no one here is going to be able to judge how small or big that task is |
| 09:20.39 | swook | and if it's unwieldy, they probably want an explanation why |
| 09:20.52 | yuto | my concern was that the proposal application was essentially a list of possible improvements |
| 09:21.10 | yuto | so, improving the application is exactly what I would be doing if selected |
| 09:21.18 | yuto | however, I have not been selected |
| 09:21.44 | swook | again, we cannot know the specifics of the task you've been asked to do |
| 09:21.46 | darnir | yuto: Unless you can reveal the *exact* task asked of you, no one can help you. |
| 09:21.53 | swook | it's unlikely they'll tell you to do what you'd do in GSoC, now |
| 09:22.17 | yuto | the nature of the task is exactly as i have described it - no specifics were given; |
| 09:22.21 | yuto | except |
| 09:22.37 | yuto | that it can not be a simple visual improvement |
| 09:22.42 | darnir | Then you should be asking them what they want. |
| 09:22.47 | |Kev| | ^ |
| 09:23.08 | darnir | What you propose in your application is an improvement that requires a whole 12 weeks of programming. |
| 09:23.10 | yuto | It is clear what they want, they want me to execute one of the many suggestions I have already proposed |
| 09:23.22 | darnir | Give them an improvement that takes 12 days of programming. |
| 09:23.51 | darnir | That's not clear to anyone here through the exact words you've used. |
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| 09:24.03 | |Kev| | When I set teaser tasks, I expect most of them to take at most 2 days for a competent student, for what it's worth. |
| 09:24.07 | stefanha | yuto: If you don't enjoy contributing to open source, then choose one of your internships. |
| 09:24.30 | stefanha | yuto: Organizations are looking for students who will join their community and continue contributing after GSoC ends. |
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| 09:25.10 | darnir | For what it's worth, I asked for extra teaser tasks. Just so I am much more comfortable with their codebase before the programming actually starts/. |
| 09:25.12 | |Kev| | stefanha: This isn't the only motivation, but it is one of them. |
| 09:26.02 | darnir | Allows a student to be more efficient during the actual programming time if s/he already knows the codebase. |
| 09:26.27 | darnir | yuto: Were you in contact with the said org. before you sent the application? |
| 09:26.34 | yuto | hmm, I have avoided giving the name of the organization out of a sense of decency, but it seems that many here are thinking of code-based organizations |
| 09:26.43 | yuto | when this organiztion is not |
| 09:26.56 | |Kev| | It's Google Summer of Code, all projects are code projects. |
| 09:27.00 | swook | that |
| 09:27.01 | yuto | yes |
| 09:27.09 | swook | and you never mentioned what kind of an application it is |
| 09:27.13 | yuto | but not all organiztions are code focused |
| 09:27.26 | darnir | AFAIK, their projects need to be. |
| 09:27.47 | darnir | Documentation projects are not allowed. And even UX improvement is eventually code. |
| 09:28.12 | darnir | Unless you propose graphic designing or the works, which IMO, would not be a valid GSoC Project. |
| 09:28.15 | yuto | I have made a distinction between the organization, and the project |
| 09:28.34 | yuto | this organiztion has an application they want improved |
| 09:28.42 | darnir | Thats code |
| 09:28.46 | yuto | I don't think I am being obtuse |
| 09:29.17 | yuto | stated another way, there is apoint at which this project will cease |
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| 09:29.53 | swook | every GSoC project is an 'improvement'... I don't think you are clear nor can be clear |
| 09:29.58 | swook | since privacy should be kept |
| 09:30.08 | yuto | this ins't an indefinite ongoing project through which the organization draws its lifeblood |
| 09:31.07 | darnir | yuto: Mail carols@google.com with *all* details. She is the only one you are allowed to break confidentiality to. |
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| 09:32.21 | yuto | Thank you all for your assistance, I appreciate your time and thoughtfulness |
| 09:32.23 | stefanha | It may just be a miscommunication, so talking directly to the mentor about it would also be good. |
| 09:32.44 | stefanha | (IRC or email instead of Melange |
| 09:32.45 | stefanha | ) |
| 09:32.49 | yuto | cheers |
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| 09:44.41 | siddharth | can we know how many initial slots each org got? |
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| 09:45.39 | daimrod | siddharth: some orgs make it public, some don't. |
| 09:45.46 | swook | siddharth: I think you're allowed to ask your org's mentors/admin |
| 09:46.29 | derdon | I don't want to live in a country where you are not allowed to *ask* something. |
| 09:46.31 | siddharth | are these final slots or can they get more? |
| 09:46.39 | derdon | the question is if you get an answer ;) |
| 09:48.06 | kblin | siddharth: nothing is final until google puts up the official list |
| 09:48.27 | siddharth | okk |
| 09:48.36 | kblin | though prior to that I'd expect things to converge towards the final state |
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| 09:49.13 | siddharth | what if some orgs have more slots than projects? |
| 09:50.21 | roonyH | !slots |
| 09:50.21 | gsocbot | roonyH: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 09:50.28 | Aayush251 | They return their slots |
| 09:50.39 | roonyH | !slots 2 |
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| 12:18.01 | kblin | mithro: pong |
| 12:18.09 | mithro | kblin, oh hey |
| 12:18.18 | mithro | kblin, I was wondering if you could give me advice on this problem |
| 12:18.22 | kblin | hey there :) |
| 12:18.51 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.51 | kblin | uh,, I hae to admit I never really played with that part of Wine |
| 12:21.35 | kblin | #winehackers might know more |
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| 12:22.55 | kblin | I'm sure it's possible. The question is if there's a debug channel for it or if you need to hook some code into the wine kernel |
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| 15:30.30 | derdon | on May 24th at 19:00 UTC, there is an IRC meeting to resolve duplicate accepted students. Is this meeting for mentors only or also for students? |
| 15:31.49 | gevaerts | derdon: the channel won't be closed, but it might be muted |
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| 15:31.56 | dhaun | derdon: if it's like previous years, it's public and in this channel, so you can attend and watch |
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| 15:31.59 | gevaerts | So you'll be able to be here if you like |
| 15:32.01 | darnir | derdon: AFAIK, Students may lurk |
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| 15:32.19 | derdon | ok, thanks for all the answers :) |
| 15:32.23 | gevaerts | However, it's *very* likely it won't concern you :) |
| 15:32.36 | gevaerts | The last few years it was about three or four cases |
| 15:32.48 | derdon | ah, good to know |
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| 15:33.25 | derdon | so there is no required IRC meeting in #gsoc for students |
| 15:34.19 | darnir | No, but it'd be fun to have one. |
| 15:34.31 | derdon | yeah, why not? |
| 15:34.38 | darnir | Imagine 1000 active participants here |
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| 15:35.38 | gevaerts | darnir: you did say "fun" |
| 15:36.00 | gevaerts | That's not compatible with 1000 people talking at the same time |
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| 15:36.21 | darnir | gevaerts: Uhh, I should mention. I enjoy chaos. |
| 15:37.12 | darnir | Except when it comes to my mailbox. |
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| 15:38.56 | gevaerts | Anyway, basically any duplicate that has to be dealt with in the meeting on the 24th is a failure of communication |
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| 15:45.12 | zothomas | how do you know you were accepted? |
| 15:45.26 | darnir | zothomas: You get a mail from Google on 27th May |
| 15:45.49 | zothomas | thanka darnir |
| 15:45.54 | zothomas | *thanks |
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| 17:43.48 | chetna | !time |
| 17:43.49 | gsocbot | chetna: "time" is has come, the walrus said, to speak of other things. |
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| 18:28.03 | roonyH | learn #gsoc next as May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor. God! I am tired of saying the same thing over and over again. |
| 18:28.47 | roonyH | !next |
| 18:28.48 | gsocbot | roonyH: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 18:42.25 | gsocbot | roonyH: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:42.50 | sunu | !bot |
| 18:43.20 | sunu | !botabuse | sunu |
| 18:43.20 | gsocbot | sunu: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
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| 18:50.34 | paultag | oh shit |
| 18:50.37 | paultag | there that goes |
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| 18:52.21 | banas | lol |
| 18:52.43 | stefano-k | :D |
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| 19:04.47 | ankitmahato | !logs |
| 19:04.47 | gsocbot | ankitmahato: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:22.58 | sunu | wonders how can someone remember a password like that :-/ |
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| 19:23.34 | scorche|sh | maybe ways - maybe it is using the first letters of a favorite song lyric or something |
| 19:23.44 | scorche|sh | errr...many ways... |
| 19:23.46 | gevaerts | sunu: no need. It's in the logs, easy to find :) |
| 19:24.00 | scorche|sh | though, there are lots of password products out there that help |
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| 19:24.06 | swook | sunu: one solution, never get off the network! |
| 19:24.41 | sunu | gevaerts: hehe :D |
| 19:24.54 | chaudhary | how can anybody stay on network all the time? is there any web service or something? |
| 19:25.08 | sunu | swook: that's what I do. but my password is sensible though |
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| 19:25.30 | swook | chaudhary: there are 'bouncer' services available, but I personally use my small VPS |
| 19:26.00 | sinhayash | any open source vps? |
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| 19:26.30 | sinhayash | I mean which work good, I hav tried some, they fail. |
| 19:26.36 | sunu | Making strong passwords which you can remember is so easy and something like ThedogatemyHomework911 is probably a strong and more easy to remember password ;) |
| 19:26.55 | swook | VPS: Virtual Private Server, it tends to runs on open source software but a VPS itself isn't software |
| 19:27.08 | sunu | sinhayash: What do you mean opensource vps ? o.O |
| 19:27.18 | sinhayash | sunu: yes |
| 19:27.29 | gevaerts | swook: the V in there implies that it *is* :) |
| 19:27.40 | chaudhary | wonders how much vps is going to cost me? |
| 19:28.05 | sunu | chaudhary: amazon has free micro instances for a year |
| 19:28.16 | sunu | afaik |
| 19:28.37 | chaudhary | okay, i'll try that |
| 19:29.28 | gevaerts | Note that there will be some setup involved |
| 19:30.43 | swook | gevaerts: I suppose... but it's kinda odd to say a VPS is software. There's virtualisation software yes, but well... |
| 19:31.25 | gevaerts | swook: if all else fails, we'll discuss microcode on the CPU :) |
| 19:31.41 | gevaerts | The RAM is likely to be hardware though |
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| 19:35.40 | swook | gevaerts: I'm trying to think of a good argument based on perspective, ie. to a software running on an OS running on a VPS, the VPS is no different compared to an equivalent system on a physical server (unless you use OpenVZ), but this feels like a denial of reality. I'll stop now! |
| 19:36.25 | gevaerts | swook: it's all a mess, which is why I can start arguments about it, which is why I like it :) |
| 19:37.31 | swook | gevaerts: :) |
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