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00:39.01john______will the number of allocated slots for each org be made public?
00:39.27gevaertsNo
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00:39.56gevaertsYou're free to ask orgs how many slots they got, but they don't have to tell you
00:42.35john______thanks!
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00:49.06gsocbotjohn______: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
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02:11.15mithrokblin, ping?
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02:59.23rajatkapoor!next
02:59.24gsocbotrajatkapoor: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
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03:42.46asdqwdq!next
03:42.47gsocbotasdqwdq: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
03:48.51asdqwdqhow do we know how many slots per organization are getting?
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03:51.38tachyons!slots
03:51.39gsocbottachyons: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations
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04:44.24ManojKumar!next
04:44.25gsocbotManojKumar: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
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05:14.50sherlock_hey
05:15.26sherlock_i want to contribute in this organization
05:15.40sherlock_please provide me with some link to fix out some bugs
05:15.54sherlock_bugs regarding math
05:26.26Triskeliossherlock_: this is not an organisation, this is the general channel for Google Summer of Code
05:27.00sherlock_my mis :P   yup :)
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05:38.03sherlock_hey anyone here knows about #channel name of 'ASCEND', please help me
05:38.34ojwb!anyone | sherlock_
05:38.34gsocbotsherlock_: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0
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06:32.32sinhayash!next
06:32.33gsocbotsinhayash: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
06:32.53sinhayashwow
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06:46.40vibhavsinha!next
06:46.41gsocbotvibhavsinha: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
06:48.53babaeveryone is doing..
06:48.55baba!next
06:48.56gsocbotbaba: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
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07:26.13pilHey, any melange expert/admin here?
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07:27.05kaimithro: pong
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07:27.39kaipil: tried #melange ?
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07:27.57pilkai good idea - thanks
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09:04.01gugu!next
09:04.02gsocbotgugu: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
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09:29.48AchillionDid that sherlock guy just PM everyone this morning?
09:34.41guguAchillion, whats your time zone ?
09:35.01AchillionRight, sorry
09:35.07AchillionI should have said 3-4 hours ago
09:35.20Achillion(UTC+2+summer time)
09:35.37AchillionI think the name for it is EET
09:35.45gugu:) well, did not PM me atleast.
09:36.11xchgme neither
09:36.56guguAchillion, are you a mentor ?
09:36.59AchillionI just had a PM asking if I was here and then I saw that he was in here asking about org mentors and channels. Figured he might have PMed a bunch of people at random
09:37.04AchillionNo, student.
09:39.28gugumust've liked your nick :D
09:41.07guguplus your's is actually the first name after the org admins.. and people without a "*_" in the nickname :)
09:41.10AchillionIt is quite pretty, isn't it? :)
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09:42.00guguyep, it is cool like a chilled out lion, is it eh ? :D
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09:47.42xchg!timeline
09:47.42gsocbotxchg: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013
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09:49.38akif500can i know how many slots have been alotted to my organisation ?
09:49.39Achillionheh, never thought of it that way
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09:52.07SumitMy application appears in the form of hyperlinks what should  i do? It was not like that when i have applied
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09:53.59akif500did you add some pictures and those pictures are looking in the form of hyperlinks i gues ?
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09:58.36ollyakif500: the slot allocations aren't public
09:58.55ollyyou could try asking the org, but they may prefer not to say
09:59.05ollyand they're probably quite busy right now
10:00.21Sumiti haven't added any pictures and also asked to org but no reply
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10:01.47Sumitand also can anyone suggest what should i do in this period regarding my proposal?
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10:04.51akif500sumit: you can contact your org and discuss more about the idea
10:06.07akif500Sumit: the basic idea is to sell your proposal IDEA to mentors, so may be you can write some code and try to impress them
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10:14.11Sumitactually my project i have to start from scratch as it is not developed before so should i start working on project or wait until 27th may?
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10:21.21akif500atleast do some work to show that you are capable of doing things
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10:25.17Sumitok... thanks
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13:10.40guguhas the slot allocation been published already ?
13:10.43gugu!next
13:10.44gsocbotgugu: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
13:11.19GorillaWarfaregugu: Yes, slots were allocated yesterday
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13:12.11banasGorillaWarfare: Oh. Aren't they made public?
13:12.22maxdaybanas: no
13:12.35maxdayeau org decides if they want to make them public
13:12.40GorillaWarfarebanas: Google doesn't make them public; it's up to the organization to decide if they want to say how many slots they were given
13:12.41maxdayeach*
13:12.46GorillaWarfareYeah, what maxday said :)
13:12.54kaiI think that's rather pointless
13:12.59banasmaxday: GorillaWarfare : yep, got it.
13:13.05GorillaWarfarekai: Hm?
13:13.08banaskai: what is?
13:13.11kaiin a few days the accepted proposals will be published and everybody will know
13:13.40GorillaWarfare"a few days" being 19, haha. We're impatient people!
13:13.51banasYeah :D
13:13.56kai!when
13:13.56gsocbotkai: "when" is later
13:14.08GorillaWarfareHaha, that was helpful
13:14.21GorillaWarfare!timeline
13:14.22gsocbotGorillaWarfare: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013
13:14.36kaibut what do you gain from knowing that org X has Y slots?
13:14.43kai!odds
13:14.43gsocbotkai: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead.
13:15.07kainothing of that changes once you know how many slots your org got
13:15.12guguumm.. what in the event of one students' multiple proposals being selected ?
13:15.19GorillaWarfarekai: Well, I'm part of the Wikimedia community, and just from a community member standpoint, it was exciting to hear that they received a bunch of slots
13:15.32GorillaWarfareBecause it means there will be an influx of people to work on projects
13:15.37kaigugu: not happening
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13:16.49banasWhat gugu probably means is, what if two diff orgs select the same guy. What happens to one slot, if there is no one worth giving the slot to?
13:17.17guguyeah, and how do the orgs sort it out ?
13:17.21banasIt gets traded with another org, perhaps?
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13:17.44maxdaybanas: I don't think so ?
13:17.46kaiwell, usually we meet in the center of town, at noon...
13:18.11kaior maybe one of the org admins sends an email to the other org's admins
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13:19.24kaiit's possible the student is involved in the discussion, but that's not required
13:19.42kaibasically, I'd work off the assumption that if you apply to two orgs, you're happy to work with either of them
13:20.23kaiand if org A has another good proposal they could mentor and org B hasn't, I think org A leaving the student to work on org B makes sense
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13:21.40gugukai, say in the worst case. both the orgs do not want the student to go
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13:22.48MatthewWilkesgugu: Then they have to pick arbitrarily
13:23.16kaiwell, in the worst case carols makes the call, and will probably like both orgs less
13:23.26MatthewWilkeshehe
13:23.41kaiwhich again brings up the chocolate counter...
13:23.50guguhaha! :)
13:24.08maxday:)
13:24.28kaifor the record, I don't remember a single case where carols or lh had to put a foot down and make the decision
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13:24.56kaiand you can always give slots back to the pool
13:25.39aghislasome orgs ask the student to state his/her preference over multiple proposals. this does not reduce the chances of being accepted.
13:26.01gugukai, i heard from a senior that last year, two orgs both wanted a single student and in the end both slots were given back and the student was nowhere in the end :(
13:26.03aghislaand yes, i've been a duplicated student once, and I survived :)
13:27.03MatthewWilkeskai: I have a vague memory of it happening, but I might be imagining it
13:27.09aghislagugu: it was most likely a communication failure.
13:27.16kaigugu: right, and someone once told me that the side of the moon not facing the earth is made of blue cheese :)
13:27.36aghisla:D
13:27.57gevaertsgugu: if that was the case, either there was serious miscommunication, or both org admins were idiots and you don't want to work with them anyway
13:27.58kaion a more serious note, the only way I can see that happening is if the orgs don't talk to each other
13:28.04kaiand that'd be silly
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13:29.00kaiit might have been different in the olden days without melange around to help
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13:29.42gugukai, can the student do something to ensure that there is not a communication gap ? :)
13:29.59kaisure, just apply to a single org and you're fine ;)
13:30.32aghislagugu: you can state in a comment in Melange that you also applied to another org.
13:31.04kaianyway, how do you know two orgs actually wanted that student? did they tell the student?
13:31.57gugufrom what i know.. there was a discussion on irc on the duplication removal round.
13:32.33kaiand both orgs were present, and none ended up picking the student?
13:32.38guguhmm
13:32.41kaiI find that _very_ hard to believe
13:32.49gevaertsLuckily there are logs!
13:32.56X-tonicyes, most conflicts get solved earlier... the remaining ones are resolved with mentors and carols on IRC
13:32.57gevaertsSo you can prove it :)
13:33.31kaiusually if there's still a dup for the meeting and not both orgs are present, the student will just go to the org that's present
13:34.17kaibut iirc the length of that meeting has dwindled over the last years
13:34.40kaibut sure, show me the logs and I might start believing in this
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13:35.23X-tonickai, what do you find hard to believe?
13:35.44gevaertskai: I could see carols deciding this if both orgs are present and both are being unreasonable
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13:36.30X-tonic^yes, and I dont think there ever has been such a case in the first place.
13:37.14guguand can mentors see what all proposals a student has submitted .. other than the proposals to their org ?
13:37.38gevaertsgugu: no
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13:39.09gugu!logs
13:39.10gsocbotgugu: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
13:40.06kaigugu: nope, but we do get to see if the student would have a proposal accepted at another org
13:40.45gugukai, by what date do you start seeing that ?
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13:42.45kaishrugs
13:42.54kaiI'd have to search my logs
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13:48.04gevaerts!timeline | gugu
13:48.05gsocbotgugu: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013
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13:48.12gevaertsAll this is documented in the expected places
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14:30.02gsocbotAayush251: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
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15:07.44gugukai, i went through the logs, they suggest on the contrary of what i knew. now i know the other side of the moon is surely not cheese ;)
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15:27.02liangentcan I modify my user profile on melange during the program?
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15:36.37emondjIf one is engadge in distance lerning, is he eligible to be a gsoc student ?
15:37.07emondjFAQs only talk about full time/part time learning
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15:49.33MatthewWilkesemondj: It depends if they're a registered student of an accredited institution
15:49.40MatthewWilkesemondj: distance learning can be either
15:49.50MatthewWilkesemondj: Did you apply without checking your eligibility?
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15:56.19esac_not_casehello erryone
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15:57.46esac_not_casewill be getting any feedback from orgs ? (i'm a student)
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16:01.19esac_not_casehey carols
16:01.25carolsesac_not_case: hey
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16:02.04esac_not_casedoes google open source office follow the normal timelines?
16:02.14carolsesac_not_case: i don't know what you mean by that?
16:02.32esac_not_casehttps://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013
16:02.41carolsyes, i'm very familiar with the timeline.
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16:02.47carolsbut i don't understand your question.
16:03.03esac_not_casei applied to Google open source program office
16:03.19carolsyes, OSPO functions just like any other mentoring org.
16:03.28esac_not_caseoh ok
16:03.32esac_not_casei'll sit and wait then :)
16:03.35carolsgreat :-)
16:03.52esac_not_casesorry for the excessive F5ing on my prop
16:03.54esac_not_case:P
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17:21.59Uli-!next
17:22.00gsocbotUli-: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
17:22.12Uli-is that 24:00 UTC?
17:22.36Uli-ah.
17:22.44Uli-07:00 utc
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18:00.57RJ__i don't understand why organization admins can't privately tell us if we're accepted before May 27, it would really benefit both sides if this was allowed. i'm sure there must be good reasoning behind this. can someone explain?
18:01.20carolsRJ__: yes, because things change up until the last minute.
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18:02.00RJ__carols: ok, that makes sense. thanks!
18:02.03carolsyw
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18:09.41azi`carols: did it ever change that way?
18:09.51carolsazi`: did what change?
18:09.59azi`19:47 <@carols> RJ__: yes, because things change up until the last minute.
18:10.12carolsazi`: you mean have things changed in the last minute before?
18:10.22carolsazi`: or do you mean has the policy changed?
18:10.23azi`yes
18:10.26carolswhich?
18:10.45azi`ones that make the rule "no informations before 27" reasonable
18:10.55carolsyes.
18:10.59azi`information* (?)
18:11.02azi`any example ?
18:11.04carolsit has happened every year since the program started.
18:11.13azi`what exactly happens
18:11.17RJ__i think she means slots may go up or down, people may get internships and leave, and other changes like that.
18:11.18carolsat the 11th hour orgs change their minds about students they want to accept.
18:11.46azi`aha
18:11.50azi`ty
18:11.54carolsyw
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18:12.11rihen_carols: can enw orgs get more that 2 slots ?
18:12.21sinhayashso we need to ensure that they favor us in the last hour :)
18:12.21rihen_if they have projects?
18:12.29carolsrihen_: do you mean is it possible or do you mean can they ask for more?
18:12.40RJ__rihen_: they usually get maximum of 2 slots
18:12.41rihen_carols:  :)
18:12.57rihen_carols:  both i mean
18:13.01carolsrihen_: sure, everyone's entitled to ask for a spot on the waiting list, new or otherwise.
18:13.12carolsbut whether you get more slots...
18:13.16carolsthat's another thing entirely
18:13.26carolsand is based solely on how many orgs decide to give up their slots
18:14.10X-toniccarols, just out of curiosity, why is GSoC delayed nearly a month this time around?
18:14.46carolsX-tonic: because i've gotten feedback every year i've run this program that we're not accommodating the school schedules of schools outside of the US and moving it a month later accommodates more non-us universities.
18:15.38carolsand since we've run it for 8 years on a schedule that works well for the us, i figured it was worth it to try another schedule and see how that went.
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18:17.18X-tonicoh.... in India, it is the opposite... moving a month ahead would accommodate more .. :P sometime from may to august.... but yeah, it would be a difficult task making everyone happy..
18:17.23sinhayashcarols: Oo! I thought 2012 was lasy
18:17.23carolsyep.
18:17.28sinhayash*last
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18:17.34carolsso we made a different group of people unhappy this year.
18:17.53Uli-is happy
18:18.03Uli-completely overworked but happy ;)
18:18.04carolsglad to hear it, Uli-
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18:22.54swookJune-September schedule works well for UK students like myself
18:23.28josko-Croatian students also appreciate the current schedule.
18:24.23RJ__what happens if an organization misses the deadline for requesting slots?
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18:24.55carolsRJ__: it depends. anyway, what does it matter for this year? slots have already been allocated.
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18:26.40RJ__carols: ok, nevermind then.
18:26.44carolsok
18:27.37rihen_so carols new orgs wil have to requests for extra slots on waiting lists ? and what if student doesn't get a slot if he/she has worked out for proposal ?
18:28.06carolsrihen_: to your former question, yes. to your latter question, they decide so you should ask them.
18:29.21rihen_ok  thanks carols  :) I appreciate your help.
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19:07.26vikashcarols, ping! Can I PM for some time?
19:07.32carolsvikash: sure
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19:13.25banasHow normal is it to not hear back from a mentor for 2 weeks, even when you have sent 15 or so emails?
19:13.41carolsbanas: very normal.
19:13.49gevaertsDepends on the mentor
19:14.12gevaerts(and the organisation)
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19:15.34banasOKay. My mentor and I were in touch for two months. We worked on my proposal for almost  half a month. She seemed quite happy with it the day I submitted it. But ever since, haven't heard back from her.
19:15.51gevaertsMaybe they have a policy of not commenting on proposals?
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19:16.53banasHmm. But I was actually discussing about some pull requests I had sent. I've almost started work on it, and she knows.
19:17.11banasSo far, I am convincing myself she's terribly busy.
19:17.20gevaertsWell, it's not something *we* can know
19:17.38banasyep. True that :)
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19:20.53dberkholzevaluating proposals is an incredibly busy time for most organizations
19:21.37dberkholzbah, already gone.
19:22.33gevaertsdberkholz: don't worry. We're always ready to listen to you if your intended audience abandons you
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19:33.25dberkholzgevaerts: probably too ready, i tend to go on rants =)
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21:21.55AlexCzarHey there, people! :) I've been monitoring some of the participating organizations' wiki pages about GSoC. As deadline for student proposals is passed, when and where will we be able to check out which of the projects are going to be worked on?
21:22.07p_l|omoikane!next
21:22.08gsocbotp_l|omoikane: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
21:22.25p_l|omoikaneAlexCzar: and students will know by 27th, afaik
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21:24.14AlexCzarp_l|omoikane: yes, I checked the timeline, but I'm not a student nor a member of any of the participating organizations, I'm just a user who really likes some of the project ideas, so I'm naturally interested which of the idias will [probably] be implemented
21:24.38p_l|omoikanethen you'll know at the same time as students, if you contact the org
21:25.05AlexCzarp_l|omoikane: so there won't be a publicly accessible page with the list?
21:25.17gevaertsAlexCzar: yes, on the 27th :)
21:25.27AlexCzargevaerts: oh, thanks :)
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21:26.53AlexCzaranother question, if you don't mind. I checked out GSoC FAQ and one of the notes there amazed me. I do get why studens from Syria, Iran, etc. can't participate, but I don't get why "any residents of Argentina, Belarus, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Kazakhstan, Mexico, Peru, Russia, and the Ukraine that participate in the program will not receive a t-shirt or any promotional items for their participatio
21:27.10gevaertsCustoms
21:27.25AlexCzargevaerts: huh?
21:27.51gevaertsThere have been serious problems in previous years with getting the t-shirts there, ranging from import restrictions to corrupt customs officials
21:29.27AlexCzargevaerts: wow, and I thought we in Georgia were in the worst position regarding international mail and shipping :D
21:30.20gevaertsThere's always someone, somewhere, in a worse situation :)
21:30.43gevaertsFrom what I've heard, in some of those countries the people see "google" and smell money
21:31.11gevaertsAnd the gsoc people refuse to pay bribes to get the shipments there
21:31.34AlexCzaranyway, thanks for all the info :)
21:31.34gevaertsIn some of the other ones, I believe it's as simple as "No textiles"
21:32.16AlexCzargevaerts: well, from my experience with Russia and Ukraine, they smell money everywhere, unfortunately they're even able to extract in from where there is none
21:33.32AlexCzargevaerts: by "they" I mean customs and other law officials
21:33.37gevaertsnods
21:34.41AlexCzarokay, thanks for the conversation, I'm out. Bye :)
21:34.56gevaertsGoodnight! :)
21:35.40swookgevaerts: out of curiosity, how many GSoC has it been since your first one?
21:35.47swookYou seem to know absolutely everything
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21:37.08gevaertsswook: I've been in this channel more or less continuously since at least 2010, and more occasionally before that.
21:37.24gevaertsAnd I have a good memory for random useless trivia :)
21:38.39swookgevaerts: it's good to have you around :)
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22:39.27Arthur_Den!next
22:39.28gsocbotArthur_Den: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor
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23:27.41paulproteusI'm finding Melange pages don't fully load for me. Are other people having this problem? (I'm a mentor, fwiw.)
23:28.03paulproteusUh, but they do work in Firefox, but not my Chromium. Okay! Never mind then....
23:29.08paulproteusOh, but my Fx wasn't logged in to Melange; once I log in, same problem.
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23:29.34gevaertspaulproteus: you're probably better off asking in #melange
23:29.45paulproteusA wise person you are, gevaerts
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23:38.30Guest83465LOL. I searched on Google and came across this recent blog post someone made about GSOC http://blog.windfluechter.net/content/blog/2013/05/08/1623-gsoc-whitewashing-project.
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