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01:50.39hratsimihahojwb: lol. As Carol pointed out, there's no certainty whether they'll run the program again in 2014.
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01:53.03ojwbhratsimihah: there's certainly no guarantee until it's announced, but given it's successful, popular with the top levels of management, and they've yet to miss a year, it's a reasonable bet it'll continue
01:54.41ojwband even if it doesn't happen, getting involved with an open source org now will benefit you
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02:06.59roonyH!numpass
02:07.21ojwb!numapps | roonyH
02:07.21gsocbotroonyH: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted.
02:07.50roonyHright thanks. :)
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03:38.33tachyons!numapps
03:38.33gsocbottachyons: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted.
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03:46.55hari_omwhat do I need to do now. I have submitted my proposal. Do i need to talk to mentors???
03:47.19ojwbit's probably a good idea
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04:47.00oviliaHi. Is it 28th May that students can know the result of GSoC?
04:47.22Sewar27th
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04:51.56ojwbat 19:00 UTC (so might be 28th in your timezone)
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04:52.32ojwbit's always preceded by hours of students asking where the results are because it's 27th where they are
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06:20.29Krystofojwb: thank you
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07:44.33jishnu7!next
07:44.34gsocbotjishnu7: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots
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07:47.35tachyons!help
07:47.36gsocbottachyons: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
07:48.01tachyons!help  next
07:48.02gsocbottachyons: (next [<redirect>]) -- trigger a query for the next event
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07:49.47gsocbotrajatkapoor-away: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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08:20.37Gonzalo_Hello everyone!
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08:20.58Gonzalo_I have had a problem with my application
08:21.25k-joseph_:)
08:21.36Gonzalo_Does anyone know how can I contact someone to explain my problem and try to fix it?
08:22.02swookwhat is the problem related to?
08:22.15swookif it's technical issues with the website, ask #melange
08:22.39Gonzalo_one of the mentors contacted me today because my application is withdrawn
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08:23.02Gonzalo_I submitted it on 15th april
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08:24.13Gonzalo_I submitted it on 15th april and two days after I corrected a few grammar errors. I think my application then turned to withdrawn and I did not notify it.
08:24.17swookGonzalo_: Unfortunately people are asleep in California
08:24.24swookso I'd either wait and ask here when they wake up
08:24.32swookor ask on the GSoC or melange mailing list
08:25.05swookbut this does sound more like a technical issue
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08:26.45Gonzalo_yes, I know it is my fault because I did not see that the appliation was withdrawn, but it is a pity not to have the opportunity to participate in the program for such a silly thing.
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08:27.12Gonzalo_I will write them an email to the mailing list.
08:27.17Gonzalo_Thank you very much!
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08:30.31k-joseph!next
08:30.32gsocbotk-joseph: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots
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08:36.39sparq_So if the organizations have picked their slots today will we also know about who got picked sometime today?
08:38.12gevaertsno
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08:39.59sunu!next
08:40.00gsocbotsunu: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots
08:41.39ollysparq_: the orgs will have some idea of how many students they might want to accept, not which students they will accept
08:42.05sparq_ah
08:42.10ollyand google ask the orgs not to reveal who they're going to accept before the official announcement, so it's unhelpful to pester them for clues anyway
08:43.40sparq_Yeah I've not been too pestering, I'm sure they get a lot of that already. So the program probably allows the orgs to only have so many coders I assume?
08:44.40ollythe orgs give google two numbers (# they'd really really like, # they can use) and google distribute
08:44.43olly!slots
08:44.44gsocbotolly: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations
08:45.01sunu!numapps
08:45.01gsocbotsunu: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted.
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08:47.36sparq_I see, good to know
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10:44.33tachyons!help
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10:56.11gsocbotkushalkhandelwal: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots
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12:25.38gsocbotvibhavsinha: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots
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12:36.57kushalkhandelwal!help help
12:36.57gsocbotkushalkhandelwal: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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12:37.02ManojKumar!next
12:37.03gsocbotManojKumar: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots
12:37.11kushalkhandelwal!me
12:37.18kushalkhandelwal:D
12:37.53tachyons!next | kushalkhandelwal
12:37.54gsocbotkushalkhandelwal: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots
12:38.10ManojKumar!help gsocbot
12:38.10gsocbotManojKumar: Error: There is no command "gsocbot".
12:38.29ManojKumarhow do I get the list of all commands?
12:39.19cognifloyd!botabuse
12:39.19gsocbotcognifloyd: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>
12:39.29tachyonsManojKumar : do not flood by playing with  bot :-)
12:39.47ManojKumarokay :)
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13:49.03yoctohi, proposal can not be edited now?
13:49.24neverpanicUnless a mentor or org admin enables editing of your proposal, no.
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13:50.14yoctothank you,I will contact with my mentor.
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15:08.26pratnalahello ppl
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15:10.20GorillaWarfareHi pratnala
15:10.47pratnaladoes anyone know the limits of a size of a git repo on github and bitbucket?
15:11.03pratnalai have a free account on github and academic account on bitbucket
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15:11.14GorillaWarfarepratnala: Google is your friend :)
15:11.16GorillaWarfarehttps://help.github.com/articles/what-is-my-disk-quota
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15:12.10GorillaWarfarehttps://confluence.atlassian.com/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=273877699
15:12.18pratnalacould you tell me here? I am in an airport with a horribly slow wifi
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15:13.53JordiGHWow, we have more mentors than proposals.
15:13.54Aayush251Each repo must be under 1 GB
15:14.11JordiGHWe must not be doing enough advertising.
15:14.23darnirpratnala: If you are using git correctly, you should not require to think about such limits.
15:14.40darnirIf you are looking at pushing these limits, you're doing something wrong.
15:15.16Aayush251I mean who uses 1 GB limit right?
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15:15.19pratnalamy college has a lot of websites which we wanna make it to a git repo. when i check, the sizes are small but git said im overshooting the limit
15:15.30pratnalaGitHub that is
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15:16.27darnirYou should not commit non plaintext files to git.
15:17.04pratnalai dont think there are binary files
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15:17.11GorillaWarfarepratnala: 1GB per Github repo, unlimited for Bitbucket
15:17.14darnirWorst somes to worst, if simply *must* commit images, ensure that you only commit final production stuff. Unlike how one usually uses git for code.
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15:17.36maxdayJordiGH: how do you know that ?
15:17.44pratnalathen i'll go ahead with bitbucket
15:17.53pratnalathinks JordiGH was sarcastic
15:17.57JordiGHmaxday: How do I know what we're not doing enough advertising?
15:18.02JordiGHI'm not being sarcastic.
15:18.14JordiGHIt's strange that we have more mentors than proposals. We must not be sexy enough.
15:18.17JordiGHshakes fist at git.
15:18.35JordiGHThe loyal opposition will overtake you yet, git!
15:18.39darnirJordiGH: You're talking about Octave or hg?
15:18.45GorillaWarfareI believe maxday was wondering how you know there are more mentors than proposals
15:18.50maxdayoh ok
15:18.57JordiGHdarnir: hg. We got tons of proposals for Octave, and twice as many mentors as last year!
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15:19.12maxdayah ok you're talking about a specific org
15:19.14maxdaysorry :/
15:19.35darnirJordiGH: Thank god for that! I'd be surprised if Octave didn't get enough proposals. The idea page looks good.
15:19.35pratnalawas fooled as well
15:19.57Aayush251JordiGH that good :o
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15:20.02darnirI'll probably send in one next year. This year I'm working with another project under GNU.
15:20.12JordiGHdarnir: Oh, which one?
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15:21.22darnirWorking with Wget this year.
15:22.56pratnalaJordiGH: What languages does Octave work in?
15:23.07JordiGHpratnala: C++ and the Octave language.
15:23.18JordiGHpratnala: No C.
15:23.35pratnalaI dont know much of C either. Did mostly C++
15:23.38JordiGHis wary of people who say "C/C++" as if they were the same language or even that related.
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15:23.47pratnalawhat is octave based on?
15:23.58JordiGHBased on? Uhm. I don't know, what do you mean?
15:24.24pratnalasorry  i didnt phrase it correctly.
15:24.30pratnalawhat paradigm?
15:24.41pratnalaOOP or functional or what?
15:24.59JordiGHUhm, we don't have paradigms.
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15:25.09JordiGH;-)
15:25.12darnirJordiGH: Completely OT here, but just a thought that floated by. Would Octave consider using heterogenous code (OpenCL) for high-throughput processing?
15:25.16JordiGHWe do use C++ OOP extensively.
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15:25.44gevaertsJordiGH: to be fair, the claim that they are related does have some merit :)
15:25.49JordiGHdarnir: Yes, OpenCL would be nice. We were wary of that proposal since there was no free OpenCL implementation, but now that there are a few, we welcome OpenCL with open arms.
15:26.03JordiGHgevaerts: They're about as related as C and C# are related.
15:26.19pratnalahahaha
15:26.23JordiGHYet almost nobody says "C/C#".
15:26.59gevaertsJordiGH: I'd say they're historically more related than that, the first C++ "compilers" being preprocessors :)
15:27.07gevaertsThat's historical though
15:27.18JordiGHgevaerts: And historically C#'s syntax is like C. History doesn't reflect the current situation.
15:27.22gevaertsAlso, a lot of C code can be compiled using a C++ compiler if you're lucky
15:27.26jojvaJordiGH, many c++ compilers can compile C
15:27.33jojvathx, gevaerts
15:27.41darnirJordiGH: That's good to know. You'll see me soon on your mailing lists. :D
15:27.58JordiGHI invite you to actually attempt to compile actual C with a C++ compiler. A large portion of the time, higher than you may know, it fails.
15:28.18jojvabut it is the case with basic code though
15:28.33JordiGHIt's just that people that say "C/C++" typically aren't intimately familiar with either.
15:28.48jojvaJordiGH, classes are mostly struct...
15:29.06JordiGHjojva: Some of the most basic C code doesn't compile in C++. The typical examples are char* a "hi"; and int* x = malloc(sizeof(int)*42);
15:29.24JordiGHjojva: Classes are mostly struct in Python too, and you wouldn't say "C/Python".
15:29.25darnirjojva: That's a huge mistake!
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15:29.53darnirI wouldn't say classes are mostly struct.
15:29.58JordiGHjojva: Sorry, I meant char* a = "foo";
15:30.08gevaertsJordiGH: oh, I agree with C != C++
15:30.15gevaertsC == ++C though :)
15:30.32pratnalastruct is a subset of classes i would say
15:30.36JordiGHgevaerts: 0 = 1, contradiction.
15:30.39axitkhurana!countdown
15:30.40gsocbotaxitkhurana: "countdown" is http://goo.gl/ocEn4
15:30.41pratnala++C? :P
15:30.46gevaertsOh
15:30.47pratnala!next
15:30.48gevaertsBah
15:30.49gsocbotpratnala: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots
15:30.55gevaertsgot them the wrong way round
15:31.05JordiGHgevaerts: I declare you therefore unfit to say "C/C++".
15:31.16pratnalahahahaha
15:31.24pratnalaapplauds
15:31.30akif500:D
15:31.35gevaertsJordiGH: I don't usually say C/C++, except to say one shouldn't :)
15:32.14gevaertsI still think the valid C++ subset in C is large enough to say they're related though
15:32.24JordiGHAnyways, this is one of my pet peeves. C++ is a beast, and relatively few people are actually intimately familiar enough with it.
15:32.29jojvai think people say C/C++ when they talk about the lexic/syntax, not the paradigm.
15:32.37pratnala^ bingo
15:32.45JordiGHThe syntax isn't even all that alike anymore.
15:32.47gevaertsjojva: have a look at typical C++. The syntax isn't *that* close to C :)
15:32.50pratnala!help
15:32.50gsocbotpratnala: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
15:32.52JordiGHC programmers really hate C++ syntax. Ask ##C.
15:32.58pratnala##C?
15:33.05JordiGHThe Freenode channel.
15:33.16JordiGHThe mere hint of C++ makes those guys see red.
15:33.45gevaertsdoes think that using bit shifting for IO is a fundamental mistake :)
15:33.48darnirJordiGH: I'll completely agree with you!
15:33.52pratnalaIs C still used? honest question
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15:34.03gevaertspratnala: no. There is no linux kernel
15:34.04jojvapratnala, you're kidding right ?
15:34.13gevaertsAlso no X server
15:34.19pratnalai thought it was in c++
15:34.27pratnalaruns for cover
15:34.30darnirpratnala: No no. We use the a python implementation of the kernel.
15:34.33gevaertsReally?
15:34.40darnirOh wait, Python itself is compiled in C!
15:34.43akif500what about windows...purely in C :D
15:34.53JordiGHI don't think Windows nowadays is in C.
15:34.53gevaertsakif500: that's mostly C++ I believe
15:35.02JordiGHMicrosoft doesn't even make a C compiler, and hasn't for a long time.
15:35.05pratnalaruns far far away
15:35.08jojvahaha. pratnala take a look at the kernel, and also why Linus chose C over C++
15:35.21gevaertsJordiGH: they do, just one that's two spec versions behind :)
15:35.24JordiGHMicrosoft stopped making C compilers at C89. They never even attempteed to implement C99.
15:35.25akif500gevaerts: ok
15:35.32paultagNT is, not windows.
15:35.35paultagwindows is a mishmosh.
15:35.41paultagalso; you can do a kernel in python
15:35.45paultagjust port rpython properly.
15:35.46pratnalaarent the recent windows versions all NT?
15:35.54paultagpratnala: windows is a lot more then the kernel.
15:36.03paultagit'd be like saying "Debian's written in C"
15:36.05gevaertspaultag: have you seen pycorn?
15:36.12paultaggevaerts: nack
15:36.37thiagoMicrosoft implemented only the parts of C99 that C++11 requires and incorporates
15:36.42thiagoand the restrict keyword
15:36.45gevaertspaultag: it's still in early stages, but if you want python kernels, it's a good starting point :)
15:36.50paultagneat :)
15:36.56paultagI did some of that for a senior project back in the day
15:37.05paultagbut in the end it just rendered out c and built that onto a floppy.
15:37.08paultagOh the good ole' days.
15:37.15JordiGHthiago: Yeah, Microsoft doesn't care about C, only about C++.
15:37.37akif500python kernel would run inside an interpreter....its gonna be damn slow then
15:37.43paultagakif500: not if it's rpython.
15:37.52paultagakif500: since that builds to, you know, c.
15:37.53kblinJordiGH: well, I think their kernel is still in C, but they probably don't care about all the fancy new stuff
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15:38.11akif500paultag:ok i got it now
15:38.15JordiGHakif500: Interpreters, especialy with JITC, can be faster than folklore would have us think.
15:38.18paultagand you avoid bootstrapping stuff like slab memory management twice
15:38.24neverpanicUsing other languages than C or C++ to write OS kernels is an interesting field of researchs. There have been attempts to write a kernel in Java, too.
15:38.44paultagneverpanic: there are CPUs that were made to run java (well, jvm)
15:38.48jojvaneverpanic, i like your nick when you talk about kernel^^
15:39.09neverpanicpaultag: I know, but that's not what I'm talking about in this case ;)
15:39.11JordiGHTopic police is asleep, post some kernel talk.
15:39.19kblinanyway, how is this related to #gsoc ?
15:39.24neverpanicjojva: I can ensure you it doesn't help in practice, though :(
15:39.45JordiGHsees the topic police awaken in kblin.
15:39.54darnirkblin: Just adding some life back to #gsoc. And well, learning new things. Isn't that what gsoc is all about?
15:40.02jojvaneverpanic, haha. kblin : not related too, but the channel was almost dead 1h ago, should we complain ?
15:40.10darnirruns and hides for cover.
15:40.10akif500darnir: tru that +1
15:40.35kblindarnir: carols usually likes to keep the channel on-topic
15:41.10kblinand since she's the boss, she gets to set the rules
15:41.13kblin:)
15:41.18darnirYeah, considering that it's all logged, we probably should.
15:41.51kblinalso sometimes people new to IRC don't dare to interrupt a running conversation
15:42.10darnirBeen there. Know how it feels.
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15:42.33kblinand if they have an on-topic question that they don't get to ask because there's off-topic chatter, that'd be sad
15:42.43jojvafunny fact : did you know that in C, you could write my_tab[100] or 100[my_tab] ?
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15:43.19darnirjojva: The topic police is here! Shush!
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15:43.39jojvadarnir, okay.. coming back to normal
15:43.55kblinif you feel like opening up ##gsoc-offtopic, feel free
15:44.06darnirkblin: You steal thoughts?
15:44.50darnirBut, I doubt there's be enough participation there. Anyways, going back to dormancy.
15:45.00darnir/s/there's/there'd
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15:45.57kblinfeel free to chat about gsoc here :)
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15:46.34azi`I am not able to post comments on my proposal
15:46.50azi`somehow the submit thing start loading and then I get a "connection reset" error
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15:46.58azi`I've tried that on two systems now
15:47.05azi`is there anything on google's side?
15:47.15kblin!bugs | azi`
15:47.15gsocbotazi`: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue
15:47.21kblinor try #melange
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15:48.13hjpotter92!next
15:48.14gsocbothjpotter92: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots
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15:49.36azi`kblin: the bug is reproducible by loging in my account trying to post a comment
15:49.56darnirConsidering that organizations have to request slots today. Would it be too wrong to say that most of the selection process is already done?
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15:51.07kblinazi`: works for me. if it's reproducible for you, something has to be different. but that's for the #melange devs to figure out
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15:51.32neverpanicdarnir: it definitely started, and I guess most orgs already have an idea on how many applications they want to accept, but there is still time for comments and modifications to the proposals
15:51.38gevaertsdarnir: that "too" bothers me. It's wrong, yes, but you're asking for degrees of wrongness :)
15:51.50kblindarnir: well, that depends on how the orgs rank things
15:51.58azi`kblin: yeah i've asked there as well
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15:52.42darnirAah. Was just wondering.
15:52.55darnirhides from the grammar nazi
15:53.02jojvaneverpanic, what do you mean modifications ? like schedule ?
15:53.07kblindarnir: e.g. I know the mentor capacityI have, but not necessarily which proposal for the same project will make it
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15:53.29darnirkblin: Oh. Right.
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15:54.15darnirThe reason I ask is, a friend of mine who's also applied this year would prefer to be told a little in advance. So he can accept/reject another internship offer based on the result here.
15:55.03kblinwell, the thing isthat allocations are not final until google sends the mails
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15:55.40darnirTrue. We were just wondering if it'd be possible to figure out a tad sooner.
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15:56.07darnirAnyways, I should really get back to reading. Damn RFC Specs for being so boring!
15:56.15JordiGHdarnir: It's not officially possible. You may try to have a gentleman's agreement with the org admins, but depending on a number of factors, the org might not want to do that.
15:56.23JordiGH(or gentleperson agreement)
15:57.27kblinwhich would be against the ToS, as far as I'm aware..
15:57.46darnirWasn't aware of that. But not surprised.
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16:16.44jenmylocarols: perfect timing. have a question for you
16:16.52carolsjenmylo: sure
16:17.14jenmyloWe are getting pinged by students wanting to know why we set them to 'ignore' and to tell them if they are being rejected. Since we are not supposed to say reject/accept until the google announcement, this is massively uncomfortable. Wouldn't it make more sense for ignore to still let the student add comments and not see that they are being ignored?
16:17.25jenmylo(already dropped a note like this in #melange)
16:18.03carolsjenmylo: sure, i'm supportive of changing the structure, you'll need to file a tinyurl.com/newissue
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16:18.27jenmylocool, will do. thanks
16:18.52carols:-)
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16:19.13GorillaWarfareAre slot allocations made publicly available when they're announced?
16:19.18carolsGorillaWarfare: no
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16:23.20jenmylocarols: ticket at https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1845&thanks=1845&ts=1367857376 if you'd be up for giving it your official +1
16:23.30carolssure :-)
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16:27.15neverpanicjojva: mentors can allow students to edit their proposal.
16:28.09kblinjenmylo: I was under the impression that only spam proposals should be ignored anyway
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16:28.37kblinI'd have no qualms telling people with a spam proposal that you're not considering spam proposals
16:28.49jenmylokblin: the line between spam and "copied our application template but filled in very little of it" is a bit subjective
16:28.59kblinjenmylo: fair enough
16:30.10kblinjenmylo: I guess that really depends on the number of applications you got. I just ranked the latter case really low, but probably if you have dozens and dozens of application that'll be hard
16:30.21GorillaWarfareOn the timeline, May 24 shows "Student acceptance choice deadline." What is that?
16:30.29jenmylowe got around 60, and have around 20 mentors doing reviews
16:30.40carolsGorillaWarfare: that's the point when orgs need to have decided who they want to accept.
16:30.42neverpanicorganizations need to decide which proposals they want to accept by that date
16:31.01jenmyloso if we ignore the really lmae ones, it gets more eyes/better attention on the ones that are contenders
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16:37.57mmm__Hi I'm a student. I'm looking for the student ToS but I can only find the Mentor ToS on the Melange site. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks!
16:38.16carolsmmm__: you're just interested in looking it over?
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16:38.53carolsmmm__: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/student_agreement
16:39.24mmm__carols, yeah I was interested in a project for Debian under GSoC but I want to look over the ToS. Thanks for the link :)
16:39.45carolsmmm__: sure, just please keep in mind that the application period for this year's program has passed
16:40.25mmm__carols, ok thanks I'll consider next year then.
16:40.28carolsgreat
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17:23.48schumamllooks at the last reply to his "two identities, one 'student'" thread and is like "srsly?"
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17:25.13schumamlcarols: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-US&fromgroups#!topic/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/QvCrlS2c7Uc
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17:26.50kblinoh wow
17:27.19schumamland now someone with a very similar name on the mentors list is telling me that everything is ok with this 'student'?
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17:32.20schumamlcarols: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-US&fromgroups#!topic/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/QvCrlS2c7Uc
17:32.24carolsschumaml: did you have a question i could answer?
17:33.08schumamlyes, there's reason to believe that one person has signed up as at least three students and one mentor
17:33.44carolsschumaml: ok, and the org that accepted him/her as a mentor wanted him/her as a mentor, yes?
17:33.53carolsor was it accidental?
17:34.36carolsi can fix it with the melange folks if it was accidental.
17:34.38schumamlcarols: have a look at the thread I linked to
17:34.44carolsi have read it, thanks.
17:34.49schumamlI think this might be a scam sttempt
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17:35.06carolswell, luckily the scam won't work so long as no one accepts the person who doesn't want him/her
17:35.33carolspeople spam/scam all the time. it's the internet.
17:35.40schumamland what about the three different identities of the student?
17:36.08carolswell, i'm upset that that person did that, but so long as no one accepts the person if he/she doesn't want them then it won't work
17:36.22schumamlhm
17:36.29carols(and if someone does want them, they should accept them)
17:36.33schumamlnot quite the reaction I had expected
17:36.58carolsok, then maybe i'm missing what you're looking for here?
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17:37.17schumamleviction of the scammer(s)?
17:37.41carolsalright, sure, i can contact the melange folks and have the accounts deleted?
17:37.46carolsthat's what you were looking for?
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17:39.13schumamlum... yes? (actually a bit shocked that this seems to be optional...)
17:39.53dhaunschumaml: scamming students, as long as nobody accepts them, won't hurt; I don't quite see where a mentor is involved here, though?
17:40.13schumamldhaun: last mail in that thread?
17:40.16kblinschumaml: was that email you mentioned to the list? I don't see anything
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17:40.40kblinschumaml: last mail in the thread for me is by dustin
17:40.47schumamlwhoa... private
17:40.58dhaunschumaml: what kblin said
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17:41.22tachyonsschumaml : mentoring organisation have responsibility to select right students .
17:41.24schumamlok, then I'll take the liberty to forward that one to the list
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17:41.32tachyonsand mentors
17:42.03scuttlemonkeyhey, as a mentor...is it possible to comment on student applications somewhere? Am I just missing an obvious "big red button" or something?
17:42.14kblintachyons: sure, but we're allowed to coordinate if we see something odd
17:42.37kblinscuttlemonkey: there should be a text field below the proposal?
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17:43.14scuttlemonkeykblin: hmm, maybe I'm logged in with the wrong account
17:43.42tachyonskblin :yeah :-)
17:44.05schumamlok, sent
17:44.11kblinscuttlemonkey: as a disclaimer, I've never seen the melange UI as a mentor, just as an admin
17:44.45scuttlemonkeykblin: gotcha, thanks...I'll poke at it a bit here.
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17:48.30kblinschumaml: that email address rings a bell
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17:49.58kblinschumaml: was on the students list last year
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17:53.32kblinand 2010 already :)
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18:18.59vibhavsinhaIs there a color problem on the proposal page. All blocks with inline anchor links appear in blue and underlined instead of just the link.
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18:23.04tachyons<vibhavsinha>: copy pasted from wiki ?
18:26.40vibhavsinhatachyons : yes, from wiki to TinyMCE editor and from there to the proposal page
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18:32.52zifeitongthe TinyMCE editor is crazy.
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19:09.49andralexhey folks
19:09.57carolshi andralex
19:10.28andralexcarols: noticed a few companies didn't get subscribers. We got rejected this round, any chance there's some slots to get?
19:10.36carolsandralex: nope, sorry
19:11.05andralexcarols: ok - thought it doesn't hurt to ask. Also, may I email you asking what we could have done better in our application?
19:11.13carolsandralex: sure
19:11.17andralexthx
19:11.21andralexttyl
19:11.54carolsttyl
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19:18.57walterbenderhi
19:19.14walterbenderI am a bit confused about admin process
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19:19.54carolssure, how can we help, walterbender?
19:20.01walterbendershould I be "accepting" and "assigning mentors" to promising applications or waiting until the slots are assigned?
19:20.13carolsyes, you should accept and assign mentors now.
19:20.20walterbendergreat... thanks
19:20.24carolsyw
19:21.11rihnapstorcarols:  how many orgs requested pre-slots today ?
19:21.27carolsrihnapstor: most of them.
19:23.26variableis it possible in melange to see 'proposals I have not yet commented on' ?
19:23.34rihnapstorcarols:  may I know who all they were ?
19:23.44carolsrihnapstor: nope
19:23.49swookmight take a while to type out too
19:24.10rihnapstorcarols:  ok
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19:27.36gary_b!numapps
19:27.37gsocbotgary_b: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted.
19:28.07gary_bhrm, doesnt seem to work when /msg-ing
19:28.26|Kev|Yeah, it does, but you need to know the command.
19:28.43gevaerts!botabuse | gary_b
19:28.43gsocbotgary_b: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>
19:28.46|Kev|And I'm trying to remember what that is.
19:28.47gevaertsThere you go :)
19:28.57|Kev|Ta
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19:29.09gary_bah i see, thanks
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19:30.51carolsserves some coffee and tea
19:31.14walditakes some tea, hoping it is hot
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19:37.46carolsof course it's hot :-)
19:38.01carolsthe tea is always exactly the temperature you want it to be in here,
19:38.05carolsthat's why i like it so much
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19:38.44gevaertsI know I've burned myself a few times on the tea here. Guess that's my own fault then :)
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19:39.08carolsmaybe so, gevaerts :-)
19:39.59gevaertscan be clumsy at times
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20:49.20PioneerAxonHey, anyone noted, the link to "Mentor Summit at Google" = http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Main_Page on page http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 has some issues opening.. It asks for credentials.??
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21:19.40ollyPioneerAxon: i think it's meant to be password protected
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21:22.22ollyhmm, even with the password it seems to ask for it a lot
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21:23.13ollyah, https seems to work better
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21:30.22sinhayash_!next
21:30.23gsocbotsinhayash_: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots
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21:36.44dberkholzhuh. we got a fairly low number of apps this year but the quality and uniqueness are both through the roof.
21:36.56dberkholzseems like a win all around. less work to evaluate, more awesome.
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21:39.32derdondberkholz: which organisation?
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21:40.24_Nico!numapps
21:40.25gsocbot_Nico: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted.
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21:45.31barb288guys, the deadline for editing the proposal according to the mentor rating is really today at midnight?
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21:52.57neverpanicthe deadline for org admins to fill in the upper and lower bounds for the number of slots they want is today at midnight.
21:53.26neverpanicI'd expect proposals can still be edited after that, if a mentor has enabled that for a proposal
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21:57.25barb288neverpanic: thank you... because my mentor only commented in a few hours ago... so i'm kinda on despair
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21:57.54dberkholzyeah, it's not about final choices, just about how many spots there will be
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21:59.00barb288got it...
21:59.09ollybarb288: there's not really a hard cut-off as such for responding to feedback on your proposal, but the longer you leave it, the less likely it will make any difference
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22:01.04kblindberkholz: hey there :)
22:01.16barb288olly: that's what i thought, i think i'm gonna rush anyway
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22:01.38kblindberkholz: I had some fun time looking at coffeescript after reading one of your blog posts today
22:03.49dberkholzkblin: coolio
22:05.36kblindberkholz: not sure I like it yet, but I found a great minimalistic javascript library that makes inheritance much less painful while reading the coffeescript pro/cons
22:06.10dberkholzthe only one of those 3 recommendations that i've played with at all is haskell
22:07.13kblinwell, apparently coffeescript is pretty straightforward if you know ruby
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22:15.51kblinSIGWIFE, see you folks tomorrow
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22:16.44dberkholzsee ya later kblin
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22:19.12dberkholzok, i think we're all set for slot allocation now.
22:19.30dberkholznow, back to the conference i'm theoretically attending
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22:42.29GeraldAI have a question about being a gsoc mentor.
22:42.41carolssure, how can we help, GeraldA?
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22:44.21GeraldAI applied as a mentor and want to affiliate myself with SugarLabs. How do I do that?
22:44.43carolsGeraldA: you're already a part of their community and they want you to be a mentor, you just don't know how to get signed up?
22:44.54carolsor you're asking what their approval process is for mentors?
22:46.15carolsserves some tea and coffee
22:47.09GeraldAcarols: yes, I am already part of the community, and want to get signed up with them.
22:47.23carolsGeraldA: sure, so just create a profile on melange and then start a connection with them.
22:47.34Cerlyn_GeraldA: You would need to sign up and then get walterbender to approve
22:47.34carolsor they can start a connection with you, either way
22:47.37GeraldAsorry, what is melange?
22:47.45carolsGeraldA: google-melange.com
22:47.51carolsthat big "apply" button on the front page
22:47.54carolsthat's what you want
22:48.46GeraldAmaybe a stupid question -- the website says "apply now" and then there is a "register button." Is that what you mean?
22:48.51carolsindeed it is.
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22:49.50GeraldASo, on that page, there is no place to indicate an affiliation to SugarLabs, so what happens next?
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22:50.20carolsGeraldA: here. maybe this will help: http://en.flossmanuals.net/melange/before-and-after-the-program/
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22:51.22GeraldAcarols: this is great. Thanks so much. Sorry for the basic questions.
22:51.26carolsyw.
22:51.32carolsi'm sure your community can help as well.
22:51.48carolssugar has been in the program enough to know the ins and outs of melange by now, hopefully :-)
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