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| 00:12.27 | chro | hi, I'm thinking of making a proposal for an idea that I saw, but I think the idea is a bit simple, and I think that I will code the project associated with that idea in much less than 3 months. In the proposal how should I define the schedule? should I lie? |
| 00:13.43 | chro | I don't mean lying, but making a very pessimistic scheduling |
| 00:14.43 | tomprince | It would be better to give an accurate schedule, and suggest possible follow-ups. |
| 00:15.55 | schumaml | chro: talk to the org, tell them that you think you might be finish the idea much faster, and ask for their opinion |
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| 00:16.32 | schumaml | they might know much, much, much better than you if your estimate is correct |
| 00:17.32 | chro | ok |
| 00:18.16 | schumaml | best applications come from students who have discussed them with the org before submitting, anyway |
| 00:19.18 | schumaml | I guess that some org might even reject if this does not happen :) |
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| 01:57.21 | caguero | Hi, I have a question related with umbrella organizations |
| 01:57.40 | caguero | is anyone from google here to help? |
| 01:58.18 | caguero | I believe it's easy :) |
| 01:58.59 | tomprince | caguero: Just ask your question. |
| 01:59.54 | caguero | we are a first year organization |
| 02:00.07 | caguero | with 8 mentors |
| 02:00.27 | caguero | we'll receive around 15-20 proposals |
| 02:01.37 | caguero | and we'd like to know the consequences of be an org umbrella of another org |
| 02:01.46 | caguero | is there any implication for us? |
| 02:02.05 | caguero | as far as I know we both can collaborate on the projects together |
| 02:02.41 | caguero | and, following the google doc, umbrella orgs get more students |
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| 02:05.51 | tomprince | First year orgs typically get 1-2 slots. I guess if you are an umbrella, you may get more. |
| 02:06.34 | tomprince | carols would be the one that could say, but she's not around right now. |
| 02:07.55 | caguero | thanks tom |
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| 03:07.30 | billybob | weird... I had submitted my proposal, but when I updated, there comes to be two proposals in my dashboard |
| 03:08.05 | billybob | I suppose it is because my mentor add a comment in the old when, during the time I was updating it? |
| 03:09.10 | billybob | Is there any guy that have priviledge to help me delete the old one? |
| 03:11.07 | billybob | well I asked this question in #melange, but suggestions here are welcome! :) |
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| 03:22.07 | Agwatic | is there any mentors in Processing organization ? |
| 03:22.16 | Agwatic | there ideas page doesn't seem to have one |
| 03:28.50 | tomprince | Agwatic: Ask them. |
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| 03:29.09 | tomprince | They should have some contact information there and/or their melange profile |
| 03:30.54 | tomprince | Undoubtedly yes, but they may not want you to contact the mentors individually. |
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| 03:38.17 | Agwatic | tomprince so that can affect my proposal , I don't understand what they want to do + I want to add another idea |
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| 05:49.35 | banas | A question to any mentors here: Is it normal for an org that received 60 applications last year, to have got only 2 applications so far? |
| 05:49.57 | banas | (I'm a studentm just curious) |
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| 10:27.26 | jedi_freax | can anyone recommend me a nice way to insert an image in our proposal? I'm not able to see the image in the Text-area of the melange submission page |
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| 10:51.36 | vibhavsinha | \me waves hello |
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| 11:03.57 | vibhavsinha | Hi, can one person apply to more the one organizations at the same time? |
| 11:04.41 | waldi | yes |
| 11:05.23 | waldi | you can submit up to five proposals to the same or different organizations |
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| 11:14.21 | vibhavsinha | Thanks waldi! |
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| 11:19.45 | toad_ | is there any problem with students from belarus in GSoC? |
| 11:20.03 | waldi | toad_: what does the FAQ tell you? |
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| 11:20.07 | toad_ | it doesn't |
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| 11:21.20 | toad_ | afaics there is no list of disallowed/allowed countries in the FAQ |
| 11:21.25 | waldi | there is |
| 11:21.50 | toad_ | ah, "4. Who is not eligible to participate as a student in Google Summer of Code?" |
| 11:21.56 | toad_ | sorry about that |
| 11:21.57 | toad_ | thanks |
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| 11:23.15 | jedi_freax | Has anyone faced any issue in attaching an image in the proposal? I mean it just looks as a small icon aligned left but there is no preview to confirm that it is properly attached as we wanted. |
| 11:23.21 | jedi_freax | Any suggestions? |
| 11:24.21 | ashwyn | the best way is to upload it on an image sharing site and share the link :) |
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| 11:27.38 | jedi_freax | ashwyn, yes I thought of that but you know it can be cumbersome to open so many links floating in your doc. |
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| 11:28.21 | ashwyn | or just embed the image using html |
| 11:28.35 | ashwyn | it works better |
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| 11:33.43 | jedi_freax | Presently I did that, but I feel that it would have been better if there was any preview of the doc before submitting it. |
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| 11:40.06 | toad_ | we think a student might get into trouble with the local authorities because of working for us under GSoC. any advice? is it okay to take the student's word for it, or should we summarily refuse to deal with students in such countries? |
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| 11:41.08 | toad_ | this is primarily because of the nature of our project, which might be seen as subversive in the country he is apparently based in |
| 11:42.21 | toad_ | there are also some vague laws that might apply to *any* GSoC student from belarus (that seemingly make it illegal to sell services on foreign websites, but the government disputes this) - have there been successful students from belarus previously without problems? |
| 11:43.18 | waldi | this would be a problem for the student, not google |
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| 12:04.08 | hari_om | can i apply for more than one project of the same organization |
| 12:04.10 | hari_om | ?? |
| 12:04.38 | dhaun | probably - ask them :) |
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| 12:05.04 | dhaun | there's nothing in the rules against it, but in the end, it's the org's decision |
| 12:05.32 | hari_om | will it not give a bad impression that i am not sure about the project?? |
| 12:06.16 | dhaun | I wouldn't mind - most mentors understand that you'd like to have a backup project |
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| 12:06.34 | dhaun | plus, it does actually show that you're really interested in working with them, doesn't it? :) |
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| 12:10.11 | hari_om | yah.. thats a better way of looking at it |
| 12:10.11 | hari_om | ty ty dhaun |
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| 12:16.14 | ashmew2 | Hello. |
| 12:16.20 | sumanah | Hi ashmew2 |
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| 12:16.28 | ashmew2 | If you submit an application, you can modify it at a later stage , right? |
| 12:16.45 | hari_om | yes |
| 12:16.55 | ashmew2 | alright, thanks hari_om |
| 12:17.03 | sumanah | Yes, as many times as you want until the deadline, ashmew2 |
| 12:17.04 | hari_om | only the last update is considered |
| 12:17.09 | ashmew2 | alright , thanks |
| 12:20.59 | sumanah | ashmew2: in general, it's also a good idea to publicly circulate your draft proposal in the open source project's community |
| 12:21.05 | sumanah | ashmew2: as early as possible! |
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| 12:21.27 | sumanah | like, put it on a public wiki page or blog post, and email a short summary and link to the developers' mailing list |
| 12:21.36 | sumanah | to get more feedback from people who are not necessarily mentors |
| 12:22.38 | ashmew2 | sumanah, and submit formally as well along with that right? |
| 12:22.55 | sumanah | Yes |
| 12:23.44 | hari_om | How to read other public proposals on gsoc |
| 12:23.45 | hari_om | ?? |
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| 12:26.40 | sumanah | hari_om: do you need to read this year's, or are you just looking for examples to help you write your proposal? |
| 12:27.02 | hari_om | i need to read this years proposal |
| 12:27.34 | sumanah | Are you a student or a mentor? |
| 12:27.51 | hari_om | student |
| 12:27.52 | hari_om | i just need to get the idea of proposals |
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| 12:28.33 | sumanah | hari_om: well, last year's proposals are pretty good for that as well. Here are some examples of proposals that were accepted: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Drecodeam/GSoC_2012_Application |
| 12:28.59 | hari_om | ty ty sumanah |
| 12:29.06 | dhaun | hari_om: there's also some information in the Student Guide |
| 12:29.12 | sumanah | !manual |
| 12:29.15 | hari_om | and how to reas this year's public proposal |
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| 12:29.21 | hari_om | !maunal |
| 12:29.38 | sumanah | Nope, evidently the bot has not been programmed for that keyword |
| 12:29.46 | sumanah | http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ is the guide, hari_om |
| 12:30.21 | dhaun | !studentguide |
| 12:30.22 | gsocbot | dhaun: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 12:30.30 | dhaun | okay, that was too obvious :P |
| 12:30.52 | sumanah | yeah |
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| 12:33.21 | ashmew2 | sumanah, any templates for pidgin as a project? |
| 12:33.39 | sumanah | ashmew2: what does the Pidgin GSoC page say? |
| 12:33.48 | ashmew2 | https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/SummerOfCode2012 |
| 12:34.29 | dhaun | ashmew2: this looks like an application template to me … http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/pidgin |
| 12:34.44 | sumanah | also ashmew2 why are you linking to last year's page? |
| 12:34.46 | ashmew2 | dhaun, yes it is . I wanted an application for reference. |
| 12:35.00 | ashmew2 | sumanah, i meant an accepted proposal from last time. |
| 12:35.09 | sumanah | ashmew2: Go ahead and poke around that page and click on things, then |
| 12:35.10 | ashmew2 | ashmew2, or should i just frame it on my own> |
| 12:35.12 | dhaun | ashmew2: you are supposed to do *some* work of your own, really ... |
| 12:35.18 | ashmew2 | dhaun, yes i know |
| 12:35.23 | ashmew2 | dhaun, i have a draft ready almost |
| 12:35.29 | ashmew2 | dhaun, just trying to improvise. |
| 12:35.48 | dhaun | so send it and ask them for feedback - mentors don't bite (usually) |
| 12:35.51 | sumanah | ashmew2: the word "improvise" in US English means to adjust to circumstances through creativity |
| 12:36.34 | ashmew2 | sumanah, okay. |
| 12:38.22 | gevaerts | tries to think of a language where it *doesn't* mean that :) |
| 12:38.45 | sumanah | gevaerts: I think there are people who misuse it to mean "improve" |
| 12:39.03 | gevaerts | sumanah: it can work :) |
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| 12:39.07 | gevaerts | If you're lucky |
| 12:40.03 | Stepan777 | hari_om: https://www.google.com/#q=site:http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/ |
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| 12:40.38 | sumanah | btw, people who are very new to open source might like these interactive training missions http://openhatch.org/missions/ to learn tar, diff, patch, git, and Subversion |
| 12:41.19 | kabbi | hi! could anyone tell me, could the orgs see my proposal before the submission deadline? |
| 12:41.29 | Stepan777 | yes |
| 12:41.56 | sumanah | kabbi: if you submit it early, then they can see it early |
| 12:42.02 | sumanah | in general, that is PREFERRED |
| 12:42.36 | sumanah | in general, it's also a good idea to publicly circulate your draft proposal in the open source project's community as early as possible. You should put it on a public wiki page or blog post, and email a short summary and link to the developers' mailing list to get more feedback from people who are not necessarily mentors |
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| 12:43.24 | kabbi | thanks! |
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| 15:26.03 | xchg | half of my proposal is being rendered in bold and I have no idea why, everything seems normal in editor |
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| 15:27.27 | lionaneesh | xchg: Copy it in a text editor and copy it back. That way you'll lose all the formatting. |
| 15:27.35 | lionaneesh | xchg: Then bold the ones you need to |
| 15:27.44 | lionaneesh | or want to |
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| 15:28.36 | xchg | lionaneesh: I'll try that thanks |
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| 15:32.33 | sumanah | Most are pretty bad |
| 15:32.39 | lionaneesh | xchg: So, that didn't work? |
| 15:33.00 | vmayoral1 | good afernoon to everybody |
| 15:33.43 | xchg | lionaneesh: still working on it |
| 15:33.45 | vmayoral1 | This is VĂctor Mayoral, a student of a double degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer science. I'm about to graduate and currently working on my thesis |
| 15:33.47 | sumanah | hi vmayoral1 |
| 15:34.07 | vmayoral1 | I'd like to know if there might be any mentor out there willing to supervise my proposal |
| 15:34.22 | vmayoral1 | it's available here http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/vmayoral/3002 |
| 15:34.35 | vmayoral1 | any comments regarding the proposal are welcome |
| 15:35.35 | sumanah | vmayoral1: have you already talked to Koen Kooi and asked him or her to mentor? |
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| 15:36.57 | sumanah | vmayoral1: I don't know the Beagle stuff specifically but it seems like you should mail their mailing list and ask whether any of them would mentor |
| 15:37.43 | sumanah | also, in general, I suggest students allot 1/3 of the work time to documentation, code review, bugfixing, integration testing and fixes, improvements in response to code review, merge, and so on |
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| 15:38.02 | ashmew2 | sumanah, have you mentored any projects before |
| 15:38.03 | ashmew2 | ? |
| 15:38.07 | sumanah | Yes, I have |
| 15:38.12 | sumanah | I've been a mentor and an org admin |
| 15:38.24 | sumanah | for the Wikimedia Foundation, concentrating on MediaWiki |
| 15:38.39 | sumanah | and I've been working in open source for several years |
| 15:38.44 | sumanah | (for my job) |
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| 15:40.21 | vmayoral1 | i appreciate your comments |
| 15:40.43 | vmayoral1 | regarding Koen Kooi, i haven't get in touch yet |
| 15:41.14 | sumanah | you should probably do that pretty soon |
| 15:41.14 | sumanah | like, today |
| 15:41.16 | sumanah | (in my opinion) |
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| 15:41.39 | vmayoral1 | i'm trying to use the beagle channels as you suggest but i haven't been able to get much responses |
| 15:41.48 | vmayoral1 | that's why i decided to try here |
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| 15:42.03 | xchg | lionaneesh: it worked thanks |
| 15:42.22 | vmayoral1 | i'll do it right away sumanah, you convinced me :) |
| 15:42.32 | sumanah | vmayoral1: you should probably also try *different times of day* in the Beagle channels |
| 15:42.44 | ashmew2 | wow sumanah , impressive |
| 15:42.46 | sumanah | different populations are online at different times of day & days of the week |
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| 15:43.16 | tomprince | Also, do they have a mailing list or forum? |
| 15:45.26 | tomprince | Not all organization use IRC as a primary method of communication. |
| 15:45.41 | sumanah | Students who are wondering how to draft/publicize proposals: Start a draft on your blog or the project's wiki. In April, as soon as possible, submit it to GSoC officially via Melange www.google-melange.com . Then, as you get feedback in IRC and on the project's mailing list/forums, revise both wiki & Melange versions. |
| 15:45.48 | sumanah | Thus there's a public copy that everyone can see + an official copy the mentors see & evaluate. Also, Melange may crash at the 'last minute', so don't wait. Check the Melange FAQ & en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 15:46.50 | sumanah | or of course you can make your Melange proposal public |
| 15:46.59 | sumanah | but I know sometimes people want to put personal information in the Melange proposal |
| 15:47.05 | sumanah | like personal phone number |
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| 15:47.36 | xchg | if I made my proposal public only person with url can see it? |
| 15:47.47 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 15:47.50 | xchg | ok |
| 15:48.07 | gevaerts | But remember, it only takes one link somewhere for it to appear in the search engines |
| 15:48.11 | sumanah | yup |
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| 15:50.06 | xchg | I guess I prefer to be lazy than careful |
| 15:50.27 | gevaerts | It's not really a matter of being careful, I think |
| 15:50.36 | gevaerts | It's just about what you actually want :) |
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| 15:52.49 | gevaerts | I mean, if you want it to be public, by all means set it to public. But if you do *not* want it to be public, don't, the URL is likely to end up in an indexed place eventually |
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| 15:54.44 | xchg | get it |
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| 21:45.18 | chro | Would it be possible to extend the student application deadline? |
| 21:45.36 | dhaun | chro: nope |
| 21:45.46 | chro | ok |
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| 22:40.27 | chro | can anyone show me a proposal example? |
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| 22:43.37 | dfighter | chro they are different for each org, why not write your own? |
| 22:43.52 | dfighter | besides pretty sure there's some in the FLOSS manual thingie |
| 22:44.25 | chro | ok |
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