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| 02:17.33 | anth_r | yup (several of us) |
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| 02:37.49 | anth_r | !timeline |
| 02:37.49 | gsocbot | anth_r: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 03:01.38 | tarang_ | how can we see others (publicly visible) proposals in melange site ? |
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| 03:32.20 | dfighter | tarang_ you can't. You need the link to them. |
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| 03:44.13 | olly | dfighter: though if you know someone's linkid, the URLs for their proposals are quite easy to guess |
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| 04:12.24 | jedi_freax | Hi, I have a doubt: Is it possible for an organization to select two (or more) proposals for a single project if they feel both of them to be equally good? Or is it mandatory for an organization to select only one candidate for a project? |
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| 04:14.16 | cowlicks | How firm are the June 17 - Sept 16 dates? Are we expected to work full time for these specific weeks? Could we start earlier? |
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| 04:18.41 | nailbiter_ | hi, is there anybody here to ask some questions? |
| 04:19.00 | shachaf | There is only silence and some second-hand clothes. |
| 04:20.05 | nailbiter_ | I mean, I'm a prospective student-participant |
| 04:20.17 | nailbiter_ | and would like to ask about the mechanism of duplicate-removal |
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| 04:20.43 | nailbiter_ | when the duplicate applications are removed, how does it go? |
| 04:20.56 | aciid_ | orgs decides |
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| 04:21.13 | aciid_ | if they're not able to then google does |
| 04:21.23 | nailbiter_ | well, suppose I'm applied to organisation A and organisation B |
| 04:21.26 | nailbiter_ | both accepted me |
| 04:21.35 | nailbiter_ | then what happens? |
| 04:21.44 | aciid_ | then A and B will have a meeting and decide you go where |
| 04:21.47 | nailbiter_ | do they ask me which one I like more? |
| 04:21.54 | nailbiter_ | without asking me, right? |
| 04:21.56 | aciid_ | no you wont be consulted |
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| 04:22.04 | nailbiter_ | great:) |
| 04:22.20 | nailbiter_ | is there any way to indicate priority? |
| 04:22.24 | nailbiter_ | to give them a clue? |
| 04:22.28 | aciid_ | nop |
| 04:22.38 | aciid_ | its assumed that you're fine with both projects |
| 04:22.59 | nailbiter_ | thank You for information |
| 04:23.04 | aciid_ | so it shouldnt matter which you get, you should be fine doing any |
| 04:23.14 | cenhyperion | Not 18 yet, but GSOC is something I'd love to do in the future! The plan is to keep it going after this year, correct? |
| 04:23.19 | nailbiter_ | in principle, yes |
| 04:23.48 | nailbiter_ | is that possible that upon review |
| 04:23.56 | nailbiter_ | both organizations will reject me? |
| 04:24.10 | nailbiter_ | you know, like what happens |
| 04:24.17 | nailbiter_ | when you are dating two girls at the same time |
| 04:24.24 | nailbiter_ | :D |
| 04:24.37 | aciid_ | I asked same, OP here said that everyone has to wait till result |
| 04:24.43 | aciid_ | result date* |
| 04:24.58 | aciid_ | mentors are asked not to tell students if they accept them |
| 04:25.41 | nailbiter_ | I mean, now the situation is as follows |
| 04:25.45 | aciid_ | also here it isnt immoral to date two girls :D |
| 04:26.20 | nailbiter_ | I was trying to illustrate why both organisations might reject me |
| 04:26.45 | aciid_ | i dont think you'll be notified if you get rejected |
| 04:27.02 | nailbiter_ | but it would be silly |
| 04:27.14 | nailbiter_ | this means that you have higher probability to be accepted |
| 04:27.17 | aciid_ | officially only way to know if you got in or not is when results are out on result date |
| 04:27.19 | nailbiter_ | if you apply for only one project |
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| 04:27.25 | jedi_freax | aciid_, can you reply to my question above? "Is it possible for an organization to select two (or more) proposals for a single project if they feel both of them to be equally good? Or is it mandatory for an organization to select only one candidate for a project?" |
| 04:27.43 | nailbiter_ | depends on organization, as far as I know |
| 04:27.48 | nailbiter_ | in principle, yes |
| 04:27.53 | nailbiter_ | FreeBSD is doing so |
| 04:27.55 | aciid_ | jedi_freax thats a question for org |
| 04:27.58 | nailbiter_ | some don't |
| 04:28.13 | nailbiter_ | sorry, aciid, that was Your question |
| 04:28.20 | jedi_freax | aciid_, nailbiter_: Thanks :) |
| 04:28.50 | nailbiter_ | is there any information about how the organizations decide where should I go? |
| 04:29.06 | aciid_ | where? |
| 04:29.23 | nailbiter_ | when I'm accepted to two organizations, they both meet to decide who should take me |
| 04:29.36 | nailbiter_ | what criteria do they base upon? |
| 04:29.45 | aciid_ | oh idk |
| 04:30.07 | aciid_ | I am guessing but maybe if one org has another candidate as good as you then maybe they can let you go |
| 04:30.35 | nailbiter_ | well, reasonable |
| 04:31.21 | nailbiter_ | thank You, I think that basically answers my questions |
| 04:31.35 | aciid_ | good luck :) |
| 04:31.47 | nailbiter_ | good luck |
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| 04:32.43 | jedi_freax | It would have been great if we had an option to upload a pdf of the proposal instead of writing down our content in the melange page. |
| 04:33.14 | jedi_freax | At least, I feel so. |
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| 06:26.20 | neverpanic | jedi_freax: Yes, organizations can do that. They might try to get those two accepted students to work on different parts of the proposal, though. |
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| 06:26.37 | neverpanic | (replying to 06:12:23 GMT+2) |
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| 06:29.03 | jedi_freax | neverpanic, Oh that would be a tricky decision for organizations if the projects had coherent tasks and exiting for those 2 students to share info with each other :) |
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| 07:43.33 | SYCrane | hi, I want to participate in GSoC2013, however when i try to propose my project, i donot find any clue how to propose in http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 07:46.54 | olly | SYCrane: you need to pick an org to work with |
| 07:47.09 | olly | the list of mentoring orgs is linked from the front page there |
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| 08:12.40 | SYCrane | sorry, the network has some problem |
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| 08:16.58 | SYCrane | i just find the RTEMS, what should i do next |
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| 09:54.00 | Glun | Golly |
| 09:55.34 | Glun | So, this summer of code thing appears to be real, eh? |
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| 09:56.35 | Uli- | at least it has its own irc channel it seems. |
| 09:56.54 | Glun | Seems convincing enough |
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| 10:00.55 | David_Honeynet | Glun: definitely real :) |
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| 10:01.45 | Glun | I'm very curious about how it's going to work in detail…though it's also a bit intimidating x: |
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| 10:04.02 | David_Honeynet | Glun: lots of good info in the official FAQ (http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page), or you can ask questions here on on the mailing list too |
| 10:04.27 | David_Honeynet | the orgs are usually very approachable, so don't feel intimidated :) |
| 10:04.30 | Glun | Yes, I've been skimming that delightfully WOT-page for a while now |
| 10:04.42 | Glun | Mm, that's comforting |
| 10:05.17 | Glun | I should've gotten this stuff out of the way last week, really |
| 10:05.34 | David_Honeynet | Glun: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents#The_Intimidation_Factor might help ;-) |
| 10:05.37 | Uli- | get started now, it might not be too late |
| 10:05.51 | Glun | Oh hey, there's an actual page on that, hahaha |
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| 10:06.16 | Glun | The one thing the FAQ doesn't seem to touch upon is what kind of basis would be advised/required to participate… my coding experience is of course minimal |
| 10:06.20 | David_Honeynet | you wouldn't be the first student to be worried about that ;-) |
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| 10:06.30 | Glun | No, I suppose I wouldn't be, nhaha |
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| 10:09.05 | Glun | I'm trying to complete this 'register as a student' form right now |
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| 10:10.35 | Glun | I'm a little uncertain about the education part though, as there's a chance that I might be switching to a different major… should I just enter the information of the current year's study? |
| 10:11.27 | gevaerts | Glun: I'd say so, yes |
| 10:11.53 | Glun | Righto. Hope that doesn't cause trouble afterwards. |
| 10:12.06 | gevaerts | I suspect those are really just for statistics. The important bit is being enrolled |
| 10:12.14 | Turl | iirc the faq's covered those cases |
| 10:12.34 | Turl | you just need to be enrolled somewhere by some date |
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| 10:16.18 | Glun | Well that won't be a problem, I'm sure |
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| 10:20.49 | David_Honeynet | Glun: yes - as long as you are officially enrolled as a student on the required date, changing major shouldn't be an issue |
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| 10:21.07 | Glun | Capital! |
| 10:21.33 | Glun | Thanks for the reassurance |
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| 10:50.34 | Glun | …battle for wesnoth is an accepted organisation? Huh. That's… neat. |
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| 10:53.50 | joshuasui | neat? What you talk about? |
| 10:54.04 | Glun | It's.. nice? |
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| 10:56.07 | joshuasui | nice.Ha |
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| 10:59.36 | Glun | Oh dear. Looking at all these organisations I'm beginning to get the idea I don't have much of a chance at being accepted, being a newbie. |
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| 11:00.22 | JEEB | Glun, all that matters is if you can code and have an interest in the area |
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| 11:01.07 | Glun | I certainly have an interest, but my coding experiences is limited to a single c++ course I once did |
| 11:01.25 | JEEB | I /still/ haven't officially gotten through our C course at the university for various reasons :P |
| 11:01.26 | banas | Is my proposal visible to my prospective mentors as well, provided they are registered? Or is it just the admins of an org? |
| 11:01.33 | banas | (I haven't made it public) |
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| 11:02.05 | JEEB | I had two preliminary tasks (multithreading of a simple'ish decoder and generally doing cosmetics), and then my proposal was more or less agreed on |
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| 11:03.08 | JEEB | banas, I don't know about how melange works in that sense, and this probably depends a lot on the organization, but in my case I was just lurking on the related IRC channel and noting that I had done a proposal (that said, I had first discussed the whole thing there before even writing the proposal) |
| 11:04.03 | Glun | I feel a little out of place, not knowing what to propose to whom |
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| 11:05.11 | banas | Thing is, an admin commented on my proposal on melange. My proposal affects the design team, and he asked certain, umm, unrelated questions. So I was wondering if my mentor could see this as well (who knows me and project well). |
| 11:05.36 | JEEB | better to poke him straight via some way and ask :) |
| 11:05.43 | JEEB | Glun, well, I did try to basically get into the one organization that I already had lurked around for a few years :) |
| 11:05.46 | banas | Okay, that works, then. |
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| 11:06.11 | Glun | Hmm :[ |
| 11:06.13 | banas | Glun: It might not be exactly early, but you can start by going through the ideas lists on every org |
| 11:06.35 | Glun | This is going to be a long day |
| 11:06.38 | JEEB | yeah, of organizations the area of which you generally know |
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| 11:06.46 | JEEB | in my case it was video decoding/encoding f.ex. |
| 11:06.54 | banas | Try to find something that you might understand (they may look alien at first). Then research on it, and most imortantly communicate. And fast :) |
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| 11:06.59 | JEEB | yeah |
| 11:08.04 | banas | Since you mentioned you know just c++ now, my advice would be don't just filter for c++ projects. There will be projects tailored for you, just in another language. You can learn it on the go :) |
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| 11:14.09 | Glun | That would be rather nice, actually |
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| 11:21.55 | banas | Glun: The whole point behind gsoc :) |
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| 11:22.15 | banas | I am in pretty much the same state as you, just that I started a little earlier ;) |
| 11:22.22 | Glun | How would I recognise suitable projects, though? |
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| 11:27.08 | banas | Glun: One way would be, if you use an open source tool, look at that organizations projects. |
| 11:28.01 | banas | Glun: The other would be, if say you have heard about Rails and how cool it is, then you may find a rails project. Research more on it and you may find it to be interesting. |
| 11:28.44 | Glun | Heh, I played Wesnoth once, and was impressed. Looking at their ideas page now xP |
| 11:29.29 | Glun | I haven't heard of much open-source stuff. I kind of live under a rock in that respect. I do know I respect all open-source ideals with zeal though. |
| 11:29.36 | Glun | What's that Rails thing then? |
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| 11:41.33 | banas | rails is a framework, google it :) |
| 11:42.16 | Glun | Seeing as this is a google-related IRC, I should've thought of that xP |
| 11:43.14 | banas | yes :D |
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| 11:45.02 | chro | is there any available proposals' examples? |
| 11:45.40 | swook | chro: every organisation has a different template |
| 11:45.43 | swook | and different requirements |
| 11:45.55 | swook | different projects may require different proposal structures too |
| 11:45.55 | banas | chro: yup, you should generally find any org's last year projects on their wiki:) |
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| 11:46.04 | banas | I think there are few on the faq as well :) |
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| 11:47.23 | banas | Though I'm not sure. But they vary from org to org, just as swook said. |
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| 11:47.39 | chro | where's the template here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/PIG/GSoc2013 |
| 11:47.45 | swook | I personally think the best thing to do is ask directly |
| 11:48.03 | swook | templates tend to be on the respective projects' GSoC profiles |
| 11:48.14 | swook | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/apache |
| 11:48.29 | chro | thanks |
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| 11:52.02 | chro | if I don't get accepted, can I still have the t-shirt? |
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| 11:52.49 | gevaerts | chro: no |
| 11:52.55 | chro | ok |
| 11:53.12 | gevaerts | You don't even get it if you don't finish successfully |
| 11:53.24 | vini_ | Right. |
| 11:53.58 | chro | ok |
| 11:54.24 | chro | I'm having trouble finding an example proposal |
| 11:54.47 | dfighter | chro why do you need an example? |
| 11:54.49 | dfighter | just write your own |
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| 11:55.03 | dfighter | pretty sure the orgs provide a template so all you have to do is fill it in... |
| 11:55.09 | gevaerts | chro: there are some examples in the student guide, although to be honest those look a bit short to me |
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| 11:55.29 | chro | gevaerts: do you have any link to those? |
| 11:55.40 | gevaerts | !studentguide | chro |
| 11:55.40 | gsocbot | chro: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 11:55.48 | chro | yes, I need to know what a short proposal looks like |
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| 11:55.51 | gevaerts | You *can't* not have seen that already! |
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| 11:56.46 | chro | the 2nd example does not seem so short |
| 11:57.02 | chro | gevaerts: why? |
| 11:57.24 | gevaerts | That gets linked to at least a dozen times a day |
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| 11:58.33 | chro | ok |
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| 12:02.39 | Glun | Are there any mentors around who wouldn't mind aiding an enthusiastic coding novice in finding a suitable project? |
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| 12:28.21 | jedi_freax | I saw few GSoC'09 proposals which were nicely typed in LaTeX (at least they seem so) and are in pdf. Is there any way to submit a pdf of our proposal in the melange page or that small textarea is the only place to write down our proposals? |
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| 12:29.09 | MatthewWilkes | jedi_freax: No, talk to your mentoring org and ask them what they allow. I'd think most would allow you to put some basic info in that box and link to a full pdf |
| 12:32.17 | jedi_freax | MatthewWilkes, Oh that's great and enough I guess. I mean I can at least refer them to a link that has the pdf to make it easier for them to read. |
| 12:32.24 | gevaerts | I can imagine some of them not wanting that though |
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| 12:32.49 | MatthewWilkes | indeed, make sure you check with them first |
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| 12:33.04 | jedi_freax | oh okay :-) |
| 12:33.12 | gevaerts | If you have to go though dozens of applications, having to open external links is noticeable extra work |
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| 12:34.07 | jedi_freax | gevaerts: yes, that would be a cumbersome work |
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| 12:40.33 | jedi_freax | In our proposal, can we refer to a research paper's idea (by quoting them) ? And hence arguing its benefits and the issues that we may face by implementing it for a given organization's tool? |
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| 12:41.29 | jedi_freax | of course, our idea/proposal on top of that paper's idea. |
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| 12:52.52 | chitrank | Hello GSOC members |
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| 12:53.35 | yurket | \0/ |
| 12:54.00 | chitrank | I am facing lots of Problems while submitting the proposal There is lots of error in Formatting at the Submit Proposal Text Area. Is there a way to edit it in some of our very own Text editor and then simple paste it |
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| 12:55.14 | banas | chitrank: I have tried pasting it from gmail. Seems to work, though you might have to refer to pictures(if any) separately. |
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| 12:59.36 | chitrank | Okay Banas thanks telling me I would try to paste first in gmail edit and then paste again in Submit Proposal text area |
| 12:59.56 | banas | cool. |
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| 13:00.53 | Glun | Man, so much seems interesting, I have no clue how to narrow down the choices |
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| 13:02.00 | chitrank | banas similar error of unwanted underlines and indentation coming |
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| 13:02.44 | banas | Oops then I'm not sure. In that case, your best bet would be to do it i the editor. |
| 13:02.57 | banas | Wait, you have problems doing it in the melange editor itself? |
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| 13:03.50 | chitrank | yes |
| 13:03.53 | chitrank | banas |
| 13:04.10 | banas | hmm, that shouldn't happen. What browser are you using? |
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| 13:04.32 | kai | at some point you could disable the editor and get a plain text box |
| 13:04.39 | herc | Hi |
| 13:04.39 | kai | not sure if that's still possible |
| 13:04.45 | herc | I'm new here |
| 13:05.02 | herc | Can you tell me what do I need to do to submit a project proposal |
| 13:05.03 | kai | check your profile settings, it was way down on the page |
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| 13:05.12 | kai | herc: hi there :) |
| 13:05.13 | chitrank | Banas I am using Google Chrome |
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| 13:05.23 | kai | !faq | herc |
| 13:05.24 | gsocbot | herc: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
| 13:05.38 | kai | herc: the basic process should be covered there... or maybe in.... |
| 13:05.45 | kai | !studentguide | herc |
| 13:05.45 | gsocbot | herc: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 13:06.00 | kai | herc: both are recommended reads in any case |
| 13:06.17 | banas | chitrank: I used chrome to submit mine too. Seemed to work fine for me. Try another browser? Or perhaps your chrome isn't updated? |
| 13:06.20 | herc | @kai I saw that, is there a list of things that should be stated in a proposal? |
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| 13:06.54 | kai | herc: many orgs have a proposal template. if they have one, stick to that |
| 13:07.26 | herc | where can I find those templates? |
| 13:07.39 | chitrank | okay banas I would try that thanks for the help |
| 13:07.43 | kai | herc: should be loaded into the proposal field when you apply |
| 13:07.53 | banas | chitrank: cool. |
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| 13:09.16 | kai | otherwise, I'd go for "What the project is about, how you think it should be done, problems you think you might run into, a proposed timeline for getting the project done and why you think you are the best person to do it" |
| 13:09.34 | herc | Is there a list of current proposals for a specific organization? |
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| 13:09.52 | kai | herc: but, most importantly, find out where your mentoring org's developers hang out and talk to them |
| 13:10.01 | kai | they might want different things than I want :) |
| 13:10.13 | kai | herc: you mean as in submitted student proposals? |
| 13:10.18 | kai | herc: if so, nope |
| 13:10.31 | kai | !odds | herc |
| 13:10.33 | gsocbot | herc: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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| 13:11.15 | herc | thank you |
| 13:11.56 | kai | I'd say for an overall predictor of getting accepted into gsoc, talking to your mentoring org is one of the most important factors |
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| 13:14.42 | kai | basically if the first time I learn of your existence is the proposal you put into the website, your chances have shrunk a lot already |
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| 13:29.19 | swook | !next |
| 13:29.20 | gsocbot | swook: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. |
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| 13:35.49 | ovidiu-florin | on the tentative timeline in my proposal, should I write exactly what will I do each week? |
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| 13:45.14 | kai | ovidiu-florin: maybe talk to your prospective mentors :) |
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| 14:23.51 | freenix_ | Hi, I am new to GSOC and I have submitted 5 copies of my proposal to a project. How to remove them? Thanks very much. |
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| 14:34.50 | rodney757 | what deos the midterm evaluation consist of? |
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| 14:42.04 | anth_r | rodney757: this is in the FAQ. did you have questions beyond what's there? |
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| 14:43.17 | rodney757 | okay, I wasn't sure if there were anyother links that went into more detail. But I should be fine with just the FAQ |
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| 14:55.23 | Shabbir | hello! |
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| 14:55.42 | carols | hello Shabbir |
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| 14:59.09 | swook | carols: I've heard slots are allocated to orgs, and they allocate student-mentor pairs to the slots. Do orgs usually fill their slots? |
| 15:00.16 | carols | swook: yep |
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| 15:00.28 | swook | I see, thanks! |
| 15:00.36 | carols | yw |
| 15:00.46 | swook | The suspense of not knowing your competitors... |
| 15:00.59 | swook | made me think about whether orgs might suggest good candidates to do another project |
| 15:02.21 | zky | I want to know who want to take part in gsoc |
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| 15:02.36 | swook | about 6000 students? |
| 15:03.08 | zky | hava you apply ? swook |
| 15:03.10 | anth_r | swook: if a student came to us and was interested in several of our ideas, we'd let them know if, say, one had 6 applications already and the other had none. |
| 15:03.28 | anth_r | but if someone just shows up interested in one, we're not going to wave them off. |
| 15:04.03 | carols | zky: google-melange.com and click on apply |
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| 15:04.10 | swook | anth_r: do orgs get to know how many proposals a student has submitted? |
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| 15:04.18 | swook | including other orgs |
| 15:04.38 | carols | swook: no. |
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| 15:06.05 | swook | ah well, just gotta try my best! |
| 15:06.20 | carols | i think that's a good motto for most of life. |
| 15:06.28 | swook | :) |
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| 15:08.43 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
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| 15:09.23 | zky | carols: thanks, i know gsoc yesterday |
| 15:09.30 | anth_r | keep it warm for me. i'll be back in about an hour and a half. gotta run! ☺ |
| 15:09.32 | carols | zky: cool |
| 15:09.55 | carols | anth_r: see you later |
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| 15:10.53 | zky | I'm now preparing |
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| 15:11.55 | carols | that's great. |
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| 15:11.59 | carols | i'm glad to hear it. |
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| 15:14.55 | umanx | carols: I was recently interviewed for an internship at Google, but was not selected. Does this have any effect on my eligibility for gsoc? |
| 15:15.07 | carols | umanx: nope |
| 15:15.21 | umanx | carols: thanks :) |
| 15:15.26 | carols | yw |
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| 15:17.21 | zky | carols: can you tell me how to write the "Im network" in gsoc apply page |
| 15:17.55 | carols | zky: #freenode, for example. |
| 15:18.10 | carols | however, it's optional, and if you don't participate in one, you don't have to fill it in. |
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| 15:19.40 | TIJ_away | is away: Gone away for now |
| 15:19.41 | zky | I'm new to irc,thank you... |
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| 15:19.55 | zky | is you a gsoc'er? |
| 15:20.16 | carols | zky: not in the sense that i'm participating, no. |
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| 15:22.19 | zky | carols: is the thumbnail photo is my photo? |
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| 15:22.45 | carols | zky: yes. |
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| 15:23.40 | zky | I want to make it no errors,thank for your patient. |
| 15:24.30 | carols | we also have a manual to walk you through all of this. |
| 15:24.37 | carols | so you would be more than welcome to read that. |
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| 15:26.29 | zky | I have read it,there is some trouble in English... |
| 15:26.35 | carols | ok. |
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| 15:26.55 | carols | well, once we have more time, internationalization will be our next project. |
| 15:26.59 | Khenra | so, anyone participating in the google codejam tomorrow? |
| 15:27.37 | carols | Khenra: probably best to ask about that on another channel since this is the gsoc channel :-) |
| 15:28.23 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
| 15:28.33 | paultag | gladly accepts |
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| 15:30.27 | billybob | Khenra: although this is unrelated to gsoc, oh thanks for reminding! |
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| 15:42.47 | kai | carols: can I ask you about an org that didn't get accepted and we didn't cover last week, or do you prefer doing that via email? |
| 15:42.58 | carols | kai: email, please |
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| 15:44.31 | kai | carols: good. in that case I'll poke the admin to send that email directly :) |
| 15:44.37 | harshadura | says thanks for reminidng abt |
| 15:44.38 | harshadura | Google Code Jam 2013 |
| 15:44.48 | harshadura | :) |
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| 15:59.16 | xchg | fuck |
| 15:59.30 | xchg | err, I am sorry |
| 15:59.35 | xchg | wrong channel opened |
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| 16:00.42 | kai | no reason to swear just because you opened the wrong channel, I think... ;) |
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| 16:01.53 | xchg | I mean I meant to swear in other channel I already have opened and didn't notice I was switched to #gsoc, I am sorry about that |
| 16:01.57 | swook | I get confused which channel I'm on sometimes |
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| 16:07.32 | jp111 | if an prganisation does not specify the technologies to be used for a project,can one be free to choose any? |
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| 16:09.16 | gevaerts | TIJ: 399 people are happy to know that! |
| 16:10.00 | Arthur_D | and one bot |
| 16:10.02 | gevaerts | jp111: probably not, but maybe. Ask them |
| 16:10.30 | MRST | HEy can anyone help me to know about what is GSOC |
| 16:10.35 | MRST | ? |
| 16:10.39 | jp111 | sure..thanks |
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| 16:12.48 | gevaerts | !faq | MRST |
| 16:12.49 | gsocbot | MRST: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
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| 16:25.26 | MRST | thnx |
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| 16:36.05 | MRST | tell me 1 thing....if my proposal is too big to accomplish before deadline..then how they can help me on this |
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| 16:40.07 | banas | MRST: You have to submit your proposal within the deadlines :) |
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| 16:50.11 | carols | they're tasty today :-) |
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| 16:50.47 | carols | enjoy shayonj :-) |
| 16:51.04 | shayonj | thanks carols :) |
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| 17:06.43 | PC__ | Hi I am Sunny Jaiswal from LPU applying in Mozilla |
| 17:07.00 | carols | PC__: hello there. |
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| 17:07.53 | PC__ | what are prerequisites for applying ? |
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| 17:08.17 | carols | PC__: have you read the FAQs? |
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| 17:21.52 | jedi_freax | !faq | PC__ |
| 17:21.53 | gsocbot | jedi_freax: Error: No such user. |
| 17:22.22 | carols | jedi_freax: that person left the chat room. |
| 17:22.37 | jedi_freax | carols, yeah just saw that :) |
| 17:22.50 | carols | i guess he/she went off to read the FAQs :-) |
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| 17:24.57 | jedi_freax | carols, or probably to watch gsoc'12 hangout on Youtube! :-) |
| 17:25.03 | carols | maybe so :-) |
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| 18:19.29 | russel | hi.. can some one help me get the proposal right and let me know on how i can make it better? for gsoc 2013 for web payment with w3c. |
| 18:19.45 | carols | russel: sure, speak to the w3c folks about what things they'd like to see. |
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| 18:20.44 | russel | i am yet to get a reply from them. so i thought i'll ask over here |
| 18:20.57 | carols | unfortunately, they're really the people you need to speak to. |
| 18:21.12 | carols | no one in here knows about the particular nuances of how they're viewing proposals. |
| 18:21.22 | carols | just have some patience, i'm sure they'll respond soon. |
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| 18:21.34 | russel | oh okay . Thanks |
| 18:21.43 | carols | yw |
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| 18:39.44 | banas | Do GSoC |
| 18:40.00 | banas | Do GSoC'ers become contract employees of Google? |
| 18:40.18 | gevaerts | No |
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| 18:40.34 | gevaerts | isn't sure of the details at all though |
| 18:41.12 | banas | Ok. Then what kind of relationship would they have with Google? Of course, they become contributors of their orgs.. |
| 18:41.34 | carols | banas: you're a student developer for your mentoring organization. |
| 18:41.41 | carols | you're participating in Google summer of code. |
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| 18:41.46 | carols | that's the extent of the relationship. |
| 18:41.52 | carols | it's not employment of any kind. |
| 18:42.15 | carols | if you're imagining this on your resume, it would go in the "activities" section. |
| 18:42.34 | banas | carols: Okay :) |
| 18:42.39 | carols | :-) |
| 18:42.49 | darnir | How advisable is it to keep your proposal public? |
| 18:43.08 | swook | carols: can this not be considered employment by the org? |
| 18:43.16 | carols | swook: nope |
| 18:43.25 | swook | similar to how students can work with professors during the holidays |
| 18:43.39 | darnir | Why would one want to keep it public? Any why would someone not want to? |
| 18:43.49 | swook | where it's not strictly speaking employment, but work experience |
| 18:43.57 | carols | it is experience, yes. |
| 18:44.01 | carols | but it's not employment. |
| 18:44.11 | swook | hmm |
| 18:44.14 | swook | so the word 'internship |
| 18:44.15 | swook | ' |
| 18:44.19 | swook | does that apply at all? |
| 18:44.21 | carols | nope. |
| 18:44.31 | swook | alright, thanks! |
| 18:44.40 | gevaerts | darnir: that's an excellent question :) |
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| 18:45.12 | gevaerts | tries to think this through |
| 18:45.16 | darnir | gevaerts: Thanks! Been debating about this since a few days now. Finally set mine to public in the interest of being Open Source :P |
| 18:46.16 | darnir | Maybe carols could answer this. She'd know why the option was created in the first place and probably about its pro |
| 18:46.25 | darnir | pros and cons |
| 18:46.28 | gevaerts | One reason to keep it closed would be if your proposal has stuff you don |
| 18:46.36 | gevaerts | 't want public, like phone numbers |
| 18:46.36 | carols | what's the question? |
| 18:46.49 | swook | gevaerts: that's why mine is private |
| 18:47.10 | swook | but another reason could be if you've picked an existing idea and there's stiff competition |
| 18:47.16 | darnir | carols: Why would one want to make their application public? And vice versa |
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| 18:47.32 | carols | darnir: if they wanted to share it with someone else. |
| 18:47.35 | gevaerts | I *believe* (but I can't remember now) that comments are never public, so they provide a workaround to that particular issue |
| 18:47.38 | carols | get feedback? |
| 18:47.44 | carols | i don't know, why does anyone share anything? |
| 18:48.08 | gevaerts | Reasons to make it public include making it easier to get feedback from other people without having to copy everything, both for you and for the org |
| 18:48.09 | darnir | I was just wondering if the feature was there for some specific purpose. |
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| 18:48.26 | darnir | ( My code is compiling so I have nothing better to do ) |
| 18:48.39 | gevaerts | darnir: no swordfights on office chairs? |
| 18:49.05 | darnir | gevaerts: Hah! xkcd! Love those comics. But nah.. |
| 18:49.27 | gevaerts | Of course, marking a proposal as public doesn't make it easy to find, so I'm not sure the competition argument really applies |
| 18:50.26 | swook | gevaerts: that's very true, I was mistaken |
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| 18:50.27 | darnir | As far as I can tell, one must explicitly know the link to a ppublic application to view it. Am I correct? |
| 18:50.27 | gevaerts | If someone links to it somewhere public, of course you'll be in the search engines after a while |
| 18:50.44 | gevaerts | darnir: yes, but it only needs one person putting it on e.g. twitter to change that, really |
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| 18:50.57 | darnir | gevaerts: Very true. |
| 18:51.11 | gevaerts | So it all depends |
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| 18:51.25 | darnir | Maybe I'll start going on scanvenger hunts for such applications. Just for fun. |
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| 18:51.44 | darnir | /s/scanvenger/scavenger |
| 18:51.47 | gevaerts | Should be fairly easy. That's what site: is for :) |
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| 18:53.04 | gevaerts | Of course, it doesn't *really* help that I don't have any public URL handy right now :) |
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| 18:56.02 | darnir | gevaerts: Just out of random curiousity. You a mentor? |
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| 19:12.15 | gevaerts | darnir: I have been in the past |
| 19:12.29 | darnir | Hmm.. |
| 19:12.41 | swook | darnir, gevaerts: http://bit.ly/XZXIRx |
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| 19:13.03 | gevaerts | And no, I have *no* influence on organisations now in gsoc :) |
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| 19:14.12 | gevaerts | Ah, a self-conscious lmgtfy user :) |
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| 19:14.44 | gevaerts | swook: http://tinyurl.com/kkeenx |
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| 19:14.50 | darnir | Wow! I made my appication public almost 24 hours ago, but the search does not return it. |
| 19:15.07 | gevaerts | darnir: someone still has to link to it from an indexed place |
| 19:15.20 | swook | gevaerts: hehe I saw that on this channel for the first time |
| 19:15.25 | swook | might've been you who pasted it |
| 19:15.32 | gevaerts | Probably |
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| 19:15.42 | gevaerts | I found it on my own, and I'm not aware of prior art :) |
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| 19:15.50 | Hello9 | Hello :) |
| 19:15.53 | Hello9 | Wanted to share a new programming forum: http://thedevshed.net/forum/ |
| 19:15.54 | Hello9 | feel free to join |
| 19:15.56 | Hello9 | :) |
| 19:15.57 | swook | it's quite a beautiful discovery |
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| 19:16.09 | gbenv | Hi to all! |
| 19:16.20 | Hello9 | hello |
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| 20:00.29 | Asif | anyone from bd? |
| 20:00.52 | gevaerts | !anyone | Asif |
| 20:00.52 | gsocbot | Asif: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0 |
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| 20:23.03 | fishbeinb | Hello, can someone help me find where the student application area is for GSOC 2013. On the website I can only find the application for becoming a mentor. |
| 20:23.16 | carols | fishbeinb: that means you created a mentor profile. |
| 20:23.27 | carols | you'll need to contact the melange developers to have your profile changed. |
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| 20:25.26 | fishbeinb | Ok, is there any preferred way to do this (email, forum, ext.)? |
| 20:25.34 | carols | fishbeinb: email |
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| 20:30.38 | fishbeinb | I see that melange is open source is there a specific person/email that I should contact? |
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| 20:31.42 | carols | fishbeinb: melange-soc-dev@googlegroups.com |
| 20:31.44 | carols | or #melange |
| 20:31.56 | carols | but it's staffed by volunteers with lives, so they might not respond in irc. |
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| 20:32.34 | fishbeinb | Thank you for all your help. Hope you have a good day. |
| 20:32.56 | carols | you as well. |
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| 20:32.59 | carols | happy almost-friday. |
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| 20:36.40 | hasil | What exactly are we supposed to write in our proposal , what we are going to do, how we are to do it or both ? Plz help I'm confused |
| 20:36.47 | carols | hasil: sure. |
| 20:36.53 | carols | what org are you applying to? |
| 20:37.49 | hasil | Honeynet |
| 20:38.48 | carols | cool, and did you reach out to them already? |
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| 20:39.55 | hasil | Yes I did but I have already pinge my mentor many times today and now I want to avoid doing it , it doesn't look nice to ping same person over and over again :/ |
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| 20:40.34 | carols | hasil: agreed. have you tried their general mailing list and IRC channel instead of that specific person? |
| 20:41.35 | hasil | okay sir I'll ask in IRC |
| 20:41.39 | hasil | thanks a lot |
| 20:41.56 | carols | you're welcome. but i'm a ma'am |
| 20:42.19 | hasil | sorry ma'am |
| 20:42.42 | carols | no problem. |
| 20:42.45 | carols | everyone does it. |
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| 21:11.10 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 21:15.43 | perepujal | and thanks Carols :) |
| 21:15.51 | carols | :-) |
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| 21:16.52 | gevaerts | decides to use a cup next time |
| 21:17.03 | carols | hehe :-) |
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| 22:14.37 | sumanah | hi there GSoC folks :-) hope things are going well |
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| 22:36.36 | JeffreyG | i have a little problem with my registeration process, any one here? |
| 22:36.49 | sumanah | Hi JeffreyG - what is the problem? |
| 22:37.02 | sumanah | You're talking about registering with the Melange website, right? |
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| 22:38.28 | JeffreyG | hi sumanah, my school recently changed it's name but all of it's online footprint leads up to the previous name. what do i do |
| 22:39.21 | JeffreyG | use the previous one or the current one |
| 22:39.29 | sumanah | JeffreyG: When you say "all of its online footprint" -- what about the domain name? |
| 22:40.42 | JeffreyG | the domain name is an abbreviation so that's not really a problem. its gtuc where t was telecom but now technology |
| 22:41.25 | sumanah | I do not work for Google so I am not an authority here, but I would advise you to use the new name |
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| 22:42.01 | JeffreyG | ok. that's cool with the concern and all. thanks |
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| 22:42.31 | JeffreyG | I'm a newbie to this irc thingy |
| 22:42.50 | ojwb | JeffreyG: i think the school names are used for statistics |
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| 22:43.02 | sumanah | JeffreyG: welcome to IRC! |
| 22:43.09 | sumanah | ojwb: I think they also check that the school is accredited |
| 22:43.20 | sumanah | and is not "University of My Treehouse In The Back Yard" |
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| 22:45.17 | gevaerts | As far as I know, if there is a problem, the google people will contact you in order to resolve it. They're not evil, so they aren't trying to look for excuses to throw you out :) |
| 22:45.28 | ojwb | sumanah: are you dissing my alma mater? |
| 22:45.47 | sumanah | laughs |
| 22:46.08 | JeffreyG | lol. |
| 22:46.29 | JeffreyG | Still under the education section, I'm enrolled in a degree program so do I choose undergrad or degree? |
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| 22:46.58 | sumanah | listens; has never tried to register as a student |
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| 23:01.24 | sumanah | hi JeffreyG - I think you mean /quit |
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| 23:06.06 | JeffreyG | oh sorry |
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| 23:16.59 | blecam | hi |
| 23:17.14 | ashutosh30492 | blecam: Hello |
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| 23:18.43 | blecam | I'm planning to apply under the umbrella of the open source office for the GSOC and so I'm trying to write my project description, would it be to have a quick review on my application plan? |
| 23:20.13 | meflin | are you sure it doesn't fit under any of the 177 orgs? |
| 23:21.37 | blecam | Well that's a project on the parallelization of an open source software from a company that is not in the list of the organizations, so I believe it is doesn't fit. |
| 23:22.04 | sumanah | What software? |
| 23:22.25 | blecam | Stereo Pipeline, http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/tech/asr/intelligent-robotics/ngt/stereo/ |
| 23:23.30 | sumanah | blecam: I'm happy to skim your application plan and give you some feedback |
| 23:23.32 | sumanah | I do not work for Google |
| 23:23.37 | sumanah | I have been an org admin and a mentor |
| 23:23.51 | carols | i work for google. |
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| 23:23.54 | carols | what's up? |
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| 23:24.34 | meflin | passes out tea |
| 23:24.49 | carols | thank meflin |
| 23:25.06 | blecam | Here is my plan: Introduction to Stereo Pipeline, Why is their need for improvements?, What is our goal for the 12 weeks?, What is our implementation plan? |
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| 23:28.24 | sumanah | blecam: here is a sample template from my org https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Application_template in case you want ideas of other things that are useful to include |
| 23:30.17 | blecam | Thank you I will use that, there are many stuff that should be developed in my application |
| 23:31.33 | blecam | Also, and I believe this is more for a Google employee, is the fact that is not an official work towards the NASA developers an issue? By that way I mean that they don't know I'm working on improving the speed of the program, but if we succeed that would improve work for a lot of physicians |
| 23:32.04 | carols | blecam: i'm not sure i understand what you're asking for here. |
| 23:32.19 | carols | you're saying this is an existing research project and you're applying under the oslo umbrella? |
| 23:32.24 | carols | sorry, ospo |
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| 23:33.54 | blecam | Yes exactly, but we are researching a way to speed up the program using parallelism concepts. But neither the NASA or the developers of Stereo Pipeline know about it. However if I succeed to speed up, that would be sent to them in order to modify the software. |
| 23:33.59 | blecam | is that clearer? ^^ |
| 23:34.26 | carols | and who would be mentoring you? |
| 23:34.30 | carols | your university? |
| 23:34.41 | blecam | My CSI professor |
| 23:34.46 | carols | sure. so assuming you meet all the eligibility requirements for the program, you're welcome to apply. |
| 23:35.24 | blecam | good to know thanks |
| 23:35.29 | carols | yw |
| 23:35.43 | olly | though it seems odd not to discuss something like this with the maintainers first |
| 23:35.59 | gevaerts | was about to say something like that |
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| 23:38.39 | olly | blecam: it would be a shame to put in 3 months of work and find the maintainers have some disagreement with some decision you made, which is now hard to fix, but would have been trivial if you'd discussed it early on |
| 23:39.37 | blecam | well we got a request from one physics professor..so i mean if we succeed that's something we would tell them, if they agree well that's perfect, if they don't then we will just use it and probably that some professors in others schools would use it too |
| 23:40.19 | gevaerts | I'd consider a fork to be a failure, not a success |
| 23:40.30 | blecam | I agree with you Olly, I'll talk about with my professor |
| 23:40.35 | olly | what's the reason not to tell them before though? |
| 23:41.25 | blecam | I don't really know, I'll talk about it with my professor and come back. This is definitely something that we did not think about and that's great from you to ask |
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| 23:58.40 | ashutosh30492 | Hi, |
| 23:58.40 | ashutosh30492 | I had a query about the slots. |
| 23:58.40 | ashutosh30492 | WHat if an org has 5 proposed projects, and they get 4 slots. DO they drop one project? |
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