| 00:00.50 | dfighter | wywin, as for them being intimidating, just choose something you are interested in, and read up |
| 00:01.00 | dfighter | then you will find them a lot less intimidating |
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| 00:03.38 | wywin | I suppose if this was easy, everyone would be doing it... :P |
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| 00:06.54 | dfighter | wywin it's not substantially easier or harder than doing software development outside GSOC |
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| 00:07.48 | dfighter | the only difference is if you are working on open source software ( as a volunteer ) outside GSOC, then *usually* you don't have deadlines |
| 00:08.09 | dfighter | if you work on a commercial software then you might have even worse deadlines |
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| 00:10.04 | edsiper | dfighter, thats a bad practice |
| 00:10.21 | edsiper | (do not have deadlines) |
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| 00:12.41 | dfighter | edsiper, maybe, but people are just happy you contribute |
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| 02:26.09 | mithro | Any students interested in hardware, computer vision or multimedia/video streaming, projects? We have quite a few interesting ones at TimVideos -> #timvideos |
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| 03:22.54 | variable | !help |
| 03:22.55 | gsocbot | variable: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 03:22.58 | variable | !owner |
| 03:23.00 | variable | :-\ |
| 03:27.59 | olly | variable: what are you trying to do with the bot? |
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| 03:28.22 | variable | olly: sometimes the bot says who its owner is |
| 03:28.44 | olly | it's kai's |
| 03:29.15 | olly | but other people may be able to answer questions about it |
| 03:29.19 | variable | ack |
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| 05:57.11 | Dhatri | Can somebody please tell me, what kind of ideas do we need to present in the proposals?? |
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| 06:04.51 | thiago | good ones |
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| 06:06.45 | sunu | thiago: good one :P |
| 06:07.21 | sunu | Dhatri: Organisations have their ideapage. Go have a look. |
| 06:07.28 | ojwb | Dhatri: there are some example proposals in the student guide |
| 06:07.44 | ojwb | though different orgs may expect different things from a proposal |
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| 06:09.10 | zqzas | so... we will submit our proposals to the org or Google? or both? |
| 06:10.15 | ChrisOelmueller | always on melange, plus whatever other requirements your organization might have |
| 06:10.35 | sunu | zqzas: Ultimately on melange, but discussing with org is always better. |
| 06:12.21 | white | afaik its the org that approves your proposal |
| 06:12.51 | white | the entire detailed procedure is there in the faqs |
| 06:12.56 | white | !faq |
| 06:12.57 | gsocbot | white: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
| 06:13.33 | zqzas | got it. thanks |
| 06:15.23 | Dhatri | Thanks |
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| 06:16.07 | white | !logs |
| 06:16.07 | gsocbot | white: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 06:22.28 | guido__ | Guys, silly question. In the extremely hypothetical case that I get accepted for two projects, do I get to choose which one I want to do? |
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| 06:24.23 | white | guido__, you arent |
| 06:24.55 | white | the orgs go through a confirmation period for a few days to make sure that something like that doesnt happen |
| 06:25.25 | ojwb | if two orgs both want you, they resolve it |
| 06:25.32 | ojwb | you might get to choose, but don't rely on it |
| 06:25.46 | guido__ | ojwb: oh ok! thanks |
| 06:26.48 | ojwb | if you have a preference, make sure at least one org knows |
| 06:27.21 | ojwb | but ultimately it's assumed you only apply for projects you'd be happy to do |
| 06:29.18 | guido__ | makes sense |
| 06:29.23 | guido__ | thanks man! |
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| 06:58.45 | jiabao1 | hi |
| 06:59.22 | jiabao1 | how many students would be selected by each project? |
| 07:00.11 | ChrisOelmueller | you'll need to clarify that question a bit |
| 07:00.18 | ChrisOelmueller | for each proposal? at most one |
| 07:00.36 | ChrisOelmueller | for each idea? depends on the organization |
| 07:00.49 | ChrisOelmueller | for organizations? depends on the slot numbers that are not assigned yet |
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| 07:25.40 | medfly | what a big channel |
| 07:26.06 | shachaf | hi medfly |
| 07:26.13 | medfly | hi shachaf |
| 07:26.17 | medfly | are you doing this? |
| 07:26.42 | shachaf | Not sure what I'll do. |
| 07:27.15 | medfly | this. |
| 07:27.24 | shachaf | "this"? |
| 07:27.58 | medfly | THIS |
| 07:28.17 | AndreiDuma | wonders what "this" is .. |
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| 07:30.42 | ChrisOelmueller | !this |
| 07:30.43 | gsocbot | ChrisOelmueller: "this" is not the factoid you are looking for |
| 07:30.51 | shachaf | medfly: Are you doing this? |
| 07:30.52 | ChrisOelmueller | gsocbot knows |
| 07:31.07 | medfly | maybe |
| 07:31.33 | medfly | my sister had to do a project for school which was like super hardcore. next to that, doing a gsoc project sounds like a cakewalk. |
| 07:31.49 | medfly | it involved cancer and lasers! |
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| 07:35.45 | dfighter | medfly GSOC offers projects of all kind, you might even find a similar project |
| 07:36.00 | dfighter | however I wonder, what are you getting at? :P |
| 07:36.13 | medfly | I'd rather not have to deal with lasers in my own home, they are expensive |
| 07:36.15 | medfly | also I will go blind |
| 07:36.36 | dfighter | ok? |
| 07:36.41 | medfly | I don't want to discuss this |
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| 07:36.55 | dfighter | lol |
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| 07:37.11 | dfighter | there are some weirdos out there in the interwebs |
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| 07:44.27 | AndreiDuma | anyone for KDE project here? |
| 07:44.31 | AndreiDuma | projects* |
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| 07:47.27 | dfighter | !anyone | AndreiDuma |
| 07:47.27 | gsocbot | AndreiDuma: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 07:48.15 | AndreiDuma | thanks, but I already found an organization with some kind mentors :) |
| 07:48.27 | AndreiDuma | I was searching for fellow students :D |
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| 07:49.03 | dfighter | AndreiDuma same applies... |
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| 07:50.30 | AndreiDuma | dfighter, I found fellow students applying for the same org. I was searching for not-so-fellow students, applying for other KDE orgs. :P |
| 07:50.56 | AndreiDuma | dfighter, what are you here for? |
| 07:51.35 | dfighter | AndreiDuma uhm, what do you mean? I'm idling here mostly since I get news here about GSOC |
| 07:51.41 | dfighter | not to mention it's nice to chat |
| 07:52.29 | AndreiDuma | dfighter, what project are you interested in? |
| 07:52.59 | dfighter | AndreiDuma the same as last year, Ryzom Core if by project you mean organization |
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| 07:53.29 | dfighter | if by project you mean the project that I'd like to do during GSOC then http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code#Programmable_Shader_Pipeline |
| 07:55.32 | AndreiDuma | dfighter, haha, meant both actually. Nice org & project. You seem to be into graphics. |
| 07:56.26 | dfighter | AndreiDuma I'm definitely interested in graphics |
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| 08:35.46 | lasconic | Hi there |
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| 08:36.11 | lasconic | can anyone point me to a link describing mentors role, workload ? |
| 08:36.42 | lasconic | I read this http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/ |
| 08:39.09 | ChrisOelmueller | anything going further than the mentor's guide is likely to depend on your organization |
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| 09:06.10 | sanket | Hello everyone! |
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| 09:08.06 | sunu | hi sanket |
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| 09:09.52 | sanket | Anyone decided on their proposals yet? |
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| 09:36.36 | piyush | i wish to work on a bug but have been unable to find the code (that needs to be patched) for it, can anyone tell me how to go about this? |
| 09:37.05 | aciid_ | which bug? |
| 09:37.30 | piyush | its in the nautilus package |
| 09:38.17 | piyush | the path includes the subdirectory even after getting back to the parent directory |
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| 09:44.09 | piyush | here is a bug : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697794 can anyone help me find the code needed to be patched ? |
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| 09:45.22 | sanket | what version of nautilus? |
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| 09:49.13 | piyush | the latest one |
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| 09:55.54 | piyush | here is a bug : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697794 can anyone help me find the code needed to be patched ? The package is nautilus 1:3.6.3-0ubuntu13 |
| 09:56.30 | ChrisOelmueller | you probably want to contact the nautilus folks |
| 09:57.57 | piyush | ok.. can you tell me how to access the source of a particlular package? |
| 09:58.18 | piyush | and how to locate the bug in the package? |
| 09:59.05 | piyush | coz this task is seemingly intimating at site |
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| 10:01.55 | sanket | I guess you need to figure it yourself, see what part of code results to the bug. If you're not sure, talking to the nautilus folks will be very helpful. |
| 10:02.11 | piyush | i am new to the open source community .. hence i am kinda lost.. would be grateful if someone could show me a way ahead :) |
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| 10:05.15 | sanket | piyush: you might wanna join their irc channel, or mail them. |
| 10:05.42 | piyush | yeah i'll be mailing them , thanks :) |
| 10:06.45 | cpolymeris | i guess part of the point of gnome's requisite of you having fixed a bug is to assure you have looked at the code for your module and understand the general structure, piyush |
| 10:07.09 | cpolymeris | so finding the source of the bug would be part of the exercise |
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| 10:08.48 | piyush | I guess one needs to go through the hard way to learn |
| 10:09.43 | piyush | ok ,I'll keep studying the package code to figure things out.. thanks :) |
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| 15:18.58 | KBlack | Hello Everyone! |
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| 15:25.34 | KBlack | I am a newbie. Can someone please guide me? |
| 15:25.47 | dfighter | KBlack the FAQ can |
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| 15:28.01 | gevaerts | !studentguide | KBlack |
| 15:28.01 | gsocbot | KBlack: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 15:28.53 | KBlack | Thanks |
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| 15:42.55 | maynard | what course of action would you recommend for a group of students interested in working on the same project? submit 2 applications on the same proposal , or contact the project's mentor organization about it ? |
| 15:43.26 | dfighter | maynard you cannot cooperate as far as I know |
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| 15:43.58 | dfighter | however you are free to submit 2 proposals about the same project |
| 15:44.10 | dfighter | the organization might decide to take both of you and see who does it better |
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| 15:44.47 | maynard | I've read this on the faq as well. Isn't there any chance they'll take us both to work on it? |
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| 15:45.28 | dfighter | maynard I've just said you can't cooperate ;P |
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| 16:56.18 | OsakaFoo | passes coffee around |
| 16:57.21 | marius1309 | the application of the students is reviewed by the organization of by google ? |
| 16:57.38 | thiago | the org |
| 16:57.43 | thiago | OsakaFoo: good idea |
| 16:57.56 | harshadura | asks whether of == or ? |
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| 16:58.12 | marius1309 | yeah ... sorry for the typo |
| 16:58.42 | marius1309 | and who decides how many proposals can be funded ? |
| 16:58.48 | harshadura | says then its by org |
| 16:58.59 | blast007 | marius1309: the orgs review the student applications |
| 16:59.09 | thiago | google decides how many students each org can get |
| 16:59.18 | thiago | the orgs then select those N students |
| 16:59.37 | marius1309 | ok, thanks |
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| 17:01.52 | harshadura | marius1309: jz to clarify, Google allocates (N number of) student slots for orgs, So orgs need to select those limited N number of students, N varies frm Org to Org, |
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| 20:41.13 | Jamalek | Hi, Id love to try and hack some OS code. What are my options? |
| 20:42.42 | sukhe | Jamalek: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013 and use the "Tags" column |
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| 20:43.24 | gevaerts | What do you consider OS code? Kernels? Basic infrastructure? Libraries? |
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| 20:43.44 | patrickg | or just "open source"? |
| 20:43.48 | gevaerts | Decide on that, and then think of tags to use :) |
| 20:43.51 | gevaerts | Oh, right! |
| 20:43.54 | Jamalek | just opensource |
| 20:44.04 | gevaerts | always forgets about that one |
| 20:44.12 | meflin | looks like you have 177 options then |
| 20:44.25 | dogui | every project is open source |
| 20:44.27 | Jamalek | wait a minute |
| 20:44.47 | Jamalek | Ill just get my thoughts together and than I tell you more |
| 20:44.55 | Jamalek | my english is not ideal |
| 20:44.58 | gevaerts | Jamalek: if you mean within the context of gsoc, read the student manual and go from there. If you mean in general, a bit more detail would be good |
| 20:45.03 | gevaerts | !studentguide | Jamalek |
| 20:45.04 | gsocbot | Jamalek: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 20:46.42 | Jamalek | The thing is, I love programing, but the only thing Ive ever experienced is the eclipse Java view |
| 20:47.41 | Jamalek | and first Id like to know, how does the higher coding looks like |
| 20:48.02 | Jamalek | like where are these codes |
| 20:48.19 | neverpanic | !goodenough | Jamalek |
| 20:48.19 | gsocbot | Jamalek: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 20:48.24 | Jamalek | how do I get them and eventually share |
| 20:48.37 | neverpanic | As for finding the code, that's usually different for every organization |
| 20:48.56 | neverpanic | you'll have to check there. Most have some kind of version control system where you can get the code |
| 20:49.06 | neverpanic | then you generate patches and send them to a mailinglist, or similar. |
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| 20:50.22 | Jamalek | I think i have pretty good knowledge about objects and how to treat with them |
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| 20:53.52 | derdon | neverpanic: and then the patch cannot be submitted because merging the pull request leads to conflicts |
| 20:54.48 | neverpanic | pull requests are a specific tool of a specific version control system and a specific platform for this version control system, no? That's hardly generic… |
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| 20:55.41 | derdon | didn't intend to be generic |
| 20:55.48 | gevaerts | thinks we haven't even established if we're talking about open source in general or gsoc |
| 20:57.52 | Jamalek | I was asking for OS code, but I want to try that Because of GSoC |
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| 20:59.28 | gevaerts | Jamalek: for gsoc, it's really hard to say how much technical background you need, that *really* depends on the specific projects. However, in general, communication is at least as important as coding skills |
| 21:00.12 | Jamalek | I see |
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| 21:01.49 | derdon | gevaerts: from your experience, can you say what the porjects are more interested in: skilled programmers who know what to do and deliver excellent results or students with little experience who want to participate to gain more experience and learn a lot of things during this period? |
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| 21:02.36 | gevaerts | derdon: I only have experience in one reasonably small organisation, so no :) |
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| 21:04.32 | gevaerts | I know I'd want people who either have the required skills or show that they can learn them, who have some understanding of the scope of the project, and who communicate well enough to convince me of all this |
| 21:05.01 | gevaerts | (note: don't ask me specifics. This year I don't want any people at all) |
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| 21:06.52 | Jamalek | I think I got what I needed - with your encouragement :) thanks. |
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| 21:07.50 | Jamalek | Cya later |
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| 22:13.04 | edsiper | wondering what are those two organization who have not filled the organization profile page |
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| 22:24.44 | MatthewWilkes | edsiper: Probably ones that misread the acceptance email :P |
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| 22:53.24 | Arthur_M | Man we are getting a lot more interested students than we thought |
| 22:54.29 | meflin | I am as well |
| 22:54.59 | meflin | and by that I mean the un-listed channel is crawling with them ( this isn't my first rodeo ) |
| 22:55.20 | Arthur_M | Unlisted? Wow |
| 22:55.40 | Arthur_M | First for us |
| 22:55.59 | meflin | first gsoc? how many are you getting? |
| 22:56.05 | meflin | semi-serious ones |
| 22:56.26 | Arthur_M | Not sure exactly |
| 22:56.28 | meflin | everyone gets spam ones ... like stuff that is way off topic or ect |
| 22:57.17 | Arthur_M | Maybe 20-30 or so |
| 22:57.25 | meflin | for a first year org? |
| 22:57.33 | Arthur_M | Yeah |
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| 22:57.44 | meflin | that is alot ( IMO ) |
| 22:58.05 | Arthur_M | Feels like it at least ;-) |
| 22:58.23 | meflin | previous year with 4 slots we got 11 apps |
| 22:58.43 | meflin | and the only reason we asked for 4 is we had 4 excelents |
| 22:58.51 | Arthur_M | I see |
| 22:59.18 | meflin | you are probably going to get 1-2 slots |
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| 23:00.08 | meflin | watch those students see who is serious, sets up dev env's, asks good questions, works well, submits patches |
| 23:00.27 | meflin | seems like you have the best of all possible bad things happening ... to many good students |
| 23:00.30 | Arthur_M | Guess so. Right now we seem to have 8 students in our channel so maybe i excaggerated |
| 23:00.57 | ojwb | fwiw, xapian had 42 actual applications in 2011 (our first year) - http://survex.com/~olly/blog/xapian/xapian-gsoc-applications-for-2011.html |
| 23:01.07 | meflin | 42? |
| 23:01.49 | Arthur_M | It will be a very hard time deciding |
| 23:02.23 | ojwb | and there were about a dozen which were worth considering seriously |
| 23:02.26 | meflin | watch observe and see who realy has it |
| 23:02.59 | Arthur_M | We really want 3 slots but i guess we wont get as many |
| 23:03.02 | ojwb | meflin: yeah, really |
| 23:03.35 | mithro | I've previously been part of a game project, and they get *heaps* of applications |
| 23:03.48 | meflin | a good student ... works well with others, takes advice, can parse code and recoment solutions |
| 23:03.56 | Arthur_M | Yes it's a game :-) |
| 23:04.11 | mithro | This year I'm working with a streaming video + hardware stuff and we have had significantly less students |
| 23:04.15 | mithro | Arthur_M, which one? |
| 23:04.26 | meflin | keep in mind the soft skills are probably more important to _many_ projects |
| 23:04.29 | Arthur_M | SuperTuxKart |
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| 23:05.04 | mithro | Arthur_M, congratulations on getting in |
| 23:05.27 | Arthur_M | Thanks a lot :-) |
| 23:06.02 | mithro | That reminds me; if there are any students interested in hardware, computer vision or multimedia/video streaming, projects? We have quite a few interesting ones at TimVideos -> #timvideos :) |
| 23:06.24 | Arthur_M | Yes we have a very nice community so the student has to match that |
| 23:07.04 | Arthur_M | Sorry writing slowly am on mobile ;-) |
| 23:07.34 | mithro | Arthur_M, oh cool - what mobile IRC client do you use? |
| 23:07.50 | Arthur_M | AndChat |
| 23:08.09 | Arthur_M | Pt |
| 23:08.17 | Arthur_M | Pretty nice |
| 23:09.15 | Arthur_M | Just wish it was easier autocompleting nicks |
| 23:09.38 | Achillion | I use Hacker's Keyboard which has a proper tab key |
| 23:09.50 | Achillion | and ctrl, alt, esc keys |
| 23:09.53 | Achillion | Excellent for SSH |
| 23:10.11 | Achillion | and for autocompleting in andchat :) |
| 23:10.12 | mithro | Achillion, I really want an android phone with a proper keyboard |
| 23:10.28 | Arthur_M | Nice. Well in my case i need multilingual keyboard |
| 23:11.11 | Arthur_M | And a way to switch between languages easily |
| 23:11.20 | Achillion | Well of course it supports the standard "swipe spacebar to change language" |
| 23:11.36 | Arthur_M | Ah nice |
| 23:11.55 | Achillion | mithro: yeah, unfortunately hardware keyboards on phones are becoming rarer |
| 23:12.17 | Arthur_M | I should check it out, thanks :-) |
| 23:12.48 | Achillion | :) you're welcome |
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| 23:24.31 | Arthur_M | No swype support :( |
| 23:27.48 | Achillion | Afraid not |
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| 23:34.07 | mithro | I guess I could glue a bluetooth keyboard onto the back of one of them |
| 23:34.21 | Arthur_M | Coupled with no Norwegian keyboard I'm afraid i can't use it for everyday usage |
| 23:34.29 | Arthur_M | Ert |
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| 23:34.39 | Arthur_M | Keyboard is there |
| 23:34.50 | Arthur_M | I meant dictionary |
| 23:37.00 | Achillion | Well, maybe you can keep it around for terminal and/or coding. That ctrl and esc key is essential for VIM :) |
| 23:38.48 | Arthur_M | I doubt I'll ever want to use my phone for that, but thanks anyway ;-) |
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| 23:46.44 | ForestJ | Hello! any mentors here? |
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| 23:50.01 | Arthur_M | Maybe |
| 23:50.34 | Arthur_M | Whats up? :-) |
| 23:51.15 | mithro | ForestJ, quite a few |
| 23:51.25 | mithro | ForestJ, probably best to ask your question |
| 23:51.29 | ForestJ | oh, well, I was curious to know, |
| 23:51.53 | ForestJ | what percentage of applicants typically get a project in gsoc? |
| 23:52.25 | ForestJ | I think I am well qualified for a lot of projects that mentoring organizations have proposed |
| 23:53.01 | ForestJ | but I am on a debt treadmill and that stipend looks not just nice, but necessary |
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| 23:54.51 | mithro | https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics |
| 23:55.07 | Arthur_M | Forestj sounds like trying to find a job might be safer |
| 23:56.19 | ForestJ | so, the "success rate" in that statistic means "out of students who were accepted, this many were considered to "succeed" and got a stipend" |