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| 08:48.07 | prasannatsm | I am doing my masters in Mathematics at "Indra Gandhi National Open University". Will I be able to participate in gsoc? Any idea? |
| 08:50.19 | bafna_p | prasannatsm: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a |
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| 08:51.01 | prasannatsm | I read the page. I am doing a correspondence course will I be taken as a part time student? |
| 08:53.07 | prasannatsm | It is some thing like distance education. |
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| 08:55.43 | olly | prasannatsm: i think the key thing is whether it's an accreditted institution |
| 08:56.10 | olly | but if you want the definitive answer, ask carols |
| 08:56.46 | prasannatsm | Yes it is an accredited university. |
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| 08:58.52 | prasannatsm | I am also currently working for a company. |
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| 09:23.59 | kai | prasannatsm: so how much time do you actually have? |
| 09:25.28 | olly | eddu: ask them? |
| 09:26.09 | prasannatsm | After June till late August or early September I will not be having my course work / class. I will be able to spend 20 hours per week. |
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| 09:28.02 | kai | prasannatsm: ok, that's a bit on the low side at least for the workload I usually expect students to handle |
| 09:28.27 | olly | most orgs tend to expect the equivalent of a full time job |
| 09:28.35 | olly | so more like 40 than 20 hours per week |
| 09:28.39 | kai | prasannatsm: I consider GSoC a full time job, and all students I had to fail so far thought they could handle another job and gsoc at the same time |
| 09:28.43 | kai | they couldn't |
| 09:29.52 | olly | the most important thing is to make it clear how much time you realistically have - trying to pretend you have more time than you do just leads to the org getting frustrated and failing you, which is a loss for everyone |
| 09:30.50 | prasannatsm | kai: I am able to understand that concern. I will make this clear to the org so that they can make a decision on whether I will be able to work or not. |
| 09:30.54 | |Kev| | eddu: We're not applying this year. |
| 09:31.19 | prasannatsm | But that is the second step. First step is to find out whether I am eligible. |
| 09:33.06 | eddu | Thanx |Kev| |
| 09:33.12 | |Kev| | eddu: We weren't sure that enough people would have enough time this summer to give the students the best possible experience, so we thought it was better to skip applying for a year and leave the slots for other orgs rather than risk students having a sub-par mentorship. |
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| 09:35.02 | olly | prasannatsm: as i said, carols can give you the definitive answer - she's often here work hours in west coast US time |
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| 09:36.57 | prasannatsm | I have posted in google groups about this. As carols is not available now I guess the query will be answered there. |
| 09:37.18 | prasannatsm | Thanks for your help olly, kai and bafna_p |
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| 10:44.07 | billybob | !logs |
| 10:44.08 | gsocbot | billybob: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 11:07.37 | AutomatedTester | when do GSoC Staff tend to come online? |
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| 11:08.49 | MatthewWilkes | AutomatedTester: Office hours in california |
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| 11:08.56 | AutomatedTester | MatthewWilkes: awesome, thanks |
| 11:09.00 | MatthewWilkes | But is there something we can help with? |
| 11:09.10 | MatthewWilkes | Usually things are covered by the FAQ, or someone's experience here |
| 11:09.31 | AutomatedTester | I got the "your proposal needs work email" and wanted to check the changes I made are "on track" |
| 11:10.53 | MatthewWilkes | AutomatedTester: Sorry, I've not heard of that email. You're an organisation and Google sent it? |
| 11:11.00 | AutomatedTester | MatthewWilkes: yea |
| 11:11.08 | AutomatedTester | I am admin for Selenium project |
| 11:12.00 | MatthewWilkes | AutomatedTester: Then, yeah, speak to carols directly. In my experience in the past if there was a problem the first you found out was not getting selected. |
| 11:12.37 | AutomatedTester | this wasnt a rejection email, it said I had 24 hrs to make it better |
| 11:12.40 | kai | AutomatedTester: is this your first year applying to gsoc? |
| 11:13.00 | AutomatedTester | kai: my first time as admin but Selenium has been in it a few times already |
| 11:13.24 | kai | interesting |
| 11:13.26 | kai | :) |
| 11:13.38 | MatthewWilkes | AutomatedTester: I know it's not a rejection, I'm saying that I've never heard of someone being given a chance before! |
| 11:13.50 | kai | I hope carols has that chocolate counter in place |
| 11:14.12 | kai | MatthewWilkes: supposedly wine was told that they apparently forgot to apply in 2007 ;) |
| 11:14.20 | MatthewWilkes | kai: hah |
| 11:14.43 | kai | but of course gsoc was like.. 70odd orgs big back then |
| 11:14.57 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Nobody told us that we'd forgotten to hit publish on our ideas list, but I think part of that was carols knowing that we'd be okay with having a year off to make space for new orgs |
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| 11:15.42 | kai | and the admin back then was a googler, so maybe the "you seem to have forgotten to apply" was just a random conversation over lunch or somesuch |
| 11:16.28 | AutomatedTester | we have a number of Google sponsors on our project which *may* have helped |
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| 11:17.14 | MatthewWilkes | indeed |
| 11:18.01 | kai | MatthewWilkes: arguably a content management project being bad at managing content was jolly good fun |
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| 11:18.26 | AutomatedTester | thats beautiful irony though :) |
| 11:18.29 | MatthewWilkes | kai: I know, I know… |
| 11:18.31 | |Kev| | Hilarity all around. |
| 11:18.32 | kai | MatthewWilkes: I take you checked this time? |
| 11:18.38 | MatthewWilkes | We'll be getting crap for ever about this |
| 11:18.42 | |Kev| | It's the gift that keepns on giving. |
| 11:18.53 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Repeatedly. https://plone.org/events/summer-of-code/2013/ideas-list |
| 11:19.02 | kai | MatthewWilkes: you need to give it a "data security" spin |
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| 11:19.30 | kai | MatthewWilkes: " |
| 11:19.31 | kai | This page does not seem to exist… " |
| 11:19.41 | kai | >;) |
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| 11:19.47 | olasd | nice try :) |
| 11:19.50 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Is that link supposed to work? |
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| 11:19.58 | |Kev| | Oh, kai got there before me. |
| 11:20.38 | kai | |Kev|: the trick was getting the url wrong to figure out what the plone error message was ;) |
| 11:20.46 | |Kev| | Oh, are the titles supposed to collapse again once you've expanded them? They don't seem to on Chrome on OS X. |
| 11:20.50 | |Kev| | kai: Yes, that was a nice touch. |
| 11:21.09 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Only when you click a new one |
| 11:21.15 | |Kev| | So I see, ta. |
| 11:21.23 | kai | ah, same in FF |
| 11:21.32 | |Kev| | That's a pretty nice looking ideas page, actually. |
| 11:21.43 | MatthewWilkes | I don't do javascript, I just reused an existing style from the plone.org theme |
| 11:21.46 | |Kev| | Maybe these Plone folks /do/ know what they're doing with CMS stuff. |
| 11:21.48 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: You sound surprised! |
| 11:22.10 | |Kev| | It's what we call a 'backhanded compliment" :) |
| 11:22.19 | MatthewWilkes | waves his british passport |
| 11:22.25 | MatthewWilkes | I know all about them |
| 11:25.28 | kai | MatthewWilkes: though you seem to have HTML5 offline support in there twice |
| 11:25.45 | kai | and the automatic collapsing makes it hard to compare the proposals |
| 11:26.23 | |Kev| | And thus cosmic balance is restored. |
| 11:26.27 | |Kev| | I knew I shouldn't have said anything nice :) |
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| 11:29.38 | kai | well, I don't think I've heard a "sorry, but I didn't like the javascript on your ideas page" as a reason for not getting into gsoc so far |
| 11:29.39 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Hm, I thought Kevin removed that |
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| 11:30.11 | gevaerts | kai: surely that comes under the generic "we don't like your ideas page"? |
| 11:30.42 | MatthewWilkes | We got in in 2011 wit hhttps://plone.org/events/summer-of-code/2011/ideas-list |
| 11:30.46 | MatthewWilkes | * We got in in 2011 with https://plone.org/events/summer-of-code/2011/ideas-list |
| 11:31.02 | MatthewWilkes | Some are similar/the same, some changed, some removed |
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| 11:34.20 | AutomatedTester | since there are plone people in here, have you seen http://pyvideo.org/video/1754/who-are-we-a-sociological-analysis-of-the-indige ? |
| 11:34.46 | AutomatedTester | Plone is a major "tribe" of python |
| 11:34.55 | MatthewWilkes | No, but I recognise most names from that screenshot |
| 11:35.07 | MatthewWilkes | I'll watch |
| 11:35.33 | AutomatedTester | its not really a tech talk but a OSS community talk |
| 11:36.01 | MatthewWilkes | We are a bit of a pariah in the US Python community, trying to fix things. Everyone loves Django, people think of Plone as an ancient beast but we're still working hard and we've learnt a lot of lessons |
| 11:36.17 | MatthewWilkes | Hard to get Plone talks accepted to conferences in the US, very easy in Europe |
| 11:36.41 | AutomatedTester | the talk shows that DJango and Plone are the major tribes in Python community |
| 11:37.08 | AutomatedTester | and talks about how some people bridge those communities, e.g. I am a bridge for maintaining the Selenium python code |
| 11:37.20 | kai | I hardly go to tech conferences these days. in science I don't think you have tribes. more like little clans that are at war with each other |
| 11:37.29 | MatthewWilkes | AutomatedTester: Here's a rolling updating map of cities where people who've contributed to Plone in the last 5 days: http://dist.plone.org/media/contributormaps/latest.png |
| 11:37.50 | AutomatedTester | MatthewWilkes: thats awesome! |
| 11:37.54 | MatthewWilkes | We're spending a lot on encouraging people around the world to get involved at the moment |
| 11:38.36 | MatthewWilkes | AutomatedTester: it's mr.cabot on github if you want to use it. It supports gmane, github and stackoverflow as data sources atm |
| 11:39.04 | AutomatedTester | MatthewWilkes: thanks, will play with it |
| 11:39.21 | AutomatedTester | unfortunately we dont get that many contributors to Selenium |
| 11:39.28 | AutomatedTester | mainly because browsers are beasts... |
| 11:39.32 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 11:39.50 | AutomatedTester | and the "client" code has been stable for 18+ months |
| 11:40.01 | AutomatedTester | so all the bugs are in our browser controlling code |
| 11:41.25 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed |
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| 11:48.41 | kai | AutomatedTester: in my experience, cross-browser support is harder than cross-OS support for native applications |
| 11:49.53 | AutomatedTester | kai: well we are doing both |
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| 11:50.07 | AutomatedTester | since browsers are cross OS |
| 11:50.15 | AutomatedTester | and we need to have parity cross browser |
| 11:50.16 | gevaerts | The entire idea of in-browser applications is deluded |
| 11:50.34 | AutomatedTester | gevaerts: why |
| 11:51.04 | gevaerts | You're targetting the world's least stable API, and you take window management away from where it belongs |
| 11:51.41 | AutomatedTester | gevaerts: interesting, browser APIs tend to be very stable from what I have seen |
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| 11:52.09 | AutomatedTester | disclaimer: I work for a browser vendor |
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| 11:52.49 | MatthewWilkes | AutomatedTester: So… Mozilla? :P |
| 11:52.50 | gevaerts | Well, a fifteen year old linux binary will work today on my laptop. I haven't seen a web application do anything similar |
| 11:53.19 | gevaerts | Also, web browsers are horribly crash-prone in my experience compared to traditional OSes |
| 11:54.05 | AutomatedTester | the normal cause for crashes doesnt tend to come from the browser but the plugin architecture |
| 11:54.05 | gevaerts | Maybe me not liking new things in general doesn't help either :) |
| 11:54.12 | AutomatedTester | :D |
| 11:54.53 | gevaerts | Well, things have improved a lot. I remember the time when web browsers managed to survive half an hour at most :) |
| 11:54.56 | AutomatedTester | from about 5 years ago browser APIs tend to be fairly stable thanks to everyone working through standards bodies |
| 11:55.45 | AutomatedTester | gevaerts: the main "not stable" part of browsers at the moment is to do with touch screens |
| 11:56.05 | AutomatedTester | thanks to Apple claiming patents of the events the browser fires its a nightmare |
| 11:57.03 | AutomatedTester | and to be fair, if you had a site 15 years ago and it didnt work now I would be very surprised |
| 11:57.15 | gevaerts | Well, there is that. |
| 11:57.25 | gevaerts | It wouldn't do javascript, probably :) |
| 11:57.28 | AutomatedTester | since sites werent very complex back then |
| 11:57.29 | |Kev| | Actually. |
| 11:57.37 | gevaerts | Well, it would probably have old java applets... |
| 11:57.42 | |Kev| | It almost certainly wouldn't work, because geocities has shut down :) |
| 11:57.44 | gevaerts | shudders at the memory |
| 11:58.00 | AutomatedTester | gevaerts: old, unsecure java applets |
| 11:58.01 | olly | modern browsers won't load my gopher site |
| 11:58.04 | olly | it's an outrage! |
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| 11:58.13 | gevaerts | olly: they're *http* things! |
| 11:58.48 | olly | refuses to use any protocol he can't pronounce |
| 11:58.58 | |Kev| | olly: http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/ |
| 11:59.02 | |Kev| | Happy to help :) |
| 11:59.33 | |Kev| | Some people pronounce XMPP as 'zimpy', which is kinda odd. |
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| 12:00.04 | AutomatedTester | |Kev|: I can see why since XPI is pronounced "zippy" |
| 12:00.23 | kai | olly: also http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990926 |
| 12:00.25 | AutomatedTester | xpi is the Firefox addon package |
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| 12:01.07 | AutomatedTester | MatthewWilkes: sorry, yes I work for Mozilla |
| 12:01.48 | gevaerts | asks if AutomatedTester can fix his favourite bugs :) |
| 12:02.01 | MatthewWilkes | AutomatedTester: Cool. We love Mozilla. You guys have hosted sprints for us. Even hosted a kegger once |
| 12:02.17 | MatthewWilkes | AutomatedTester: You based in an office? I assume somewhere in Europe given your timezone? |
| 12:02.25 | AutomatedTester | MatthewWilkes: I work from home |
| 12:02.38 | AutomatedTester | Live on the Hampshire/Dorset border in the UK |
| 12:02.54 | AutomatedTester | I go to the London office every couple months |
| 12:03.38 | MatthewWilkes | Cool, we're hoping to do a sprint in the London office during the summer |
| 12:03.47 | MatthewWilkes | oooooh, davisagli mentioned my tool in the QA of that talk! |
| 12:04.07 | AutomatedTester | gevaerts: you can ask but I might not be able to |
| 12:04.24 | AutomatedTester | gevaerts: my current work is working on the testing framework for Firefox OS |
| 12:05.05 | AutomatedTester | MatthewWilkes: that the Jacqueline Kazil talk |
| 12:05.06 | AutomatedTester | ? |
| 12:05.38 | MatthewWilkes | yep |
| 12:05.59 | MatthewWilkes | My friend David mentioned mr.cabot that I used to generate the map in the Q&A of that talk |
| 12:06.12 | AutomatedTester | I had a twitter conversation with Jackie 5 mins before her talk asking if it was ok to mention me |
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| 12:06.23 | AutomatedTester | in case I was in the crowd |
| 12:06.47 | AutomatedTester | was quite funny |
| 12:07.49 | gevaerts | AutomatedTester: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585971 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365772 :) |
| 12:08.00 | gevaerts | Both are obviously critical! ;) |
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| 12:09.44 | AutomatedTester | gevaerts: those are areas of Firefox I have no idea bout |
| 12:10.12 | AutomatedTester | but... if you have time, you can ask the person assigned the bug for guidance to create a patch |
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| 12:11.28 | gevaerts | Yes, I should probably start digging in the source some day... |
| 12:12.02 | AutomatedTester | the problem with browsers these days is they are just as complex as OSes |
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| 12:12.17 | MatthewWilkes | I just bitch to limi, it's both fun and productive |
| 12:12.48 | MatthewWilkes | philiKON and hannosch were never very good to bitch about problems to, they'd just give you a germanic shrug |
| 12:13.29 | gevaerts | nods |
| 12:13.42 | gevaerts | Small programs tend to be easier to debug and build |
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| 12:15.30 | AutomatedTester | thats where the node.js community get very smug... "Got a feature more than 4 lines? Put it in its own package!" |
| 12:16.03 | gevaerts | Doesn't that just move the complexity around? |
| 12:16.28 | AutomatedTester | sssshhhhh dont get intellectual with them |
| 12:16.32 | AutomatedTester | :P |
| 12:17.05 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 12:36.05 | fire | i am interested to apply to 2 org. is that a better idea to apply like around 6-7 org ? |
| 12:37.03 | gevaerts | Don't apply to too many orgs |
| 12:37.15 | gevaerts | You won't be able to make good proposals then |
| 12:39.26 | fire | gevaerts: but around 5 would be appropriate. |
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| 12:39.56 | |Kev| | Around 5 would be excessive, IMO. |
| 12:39.56 | gevaerts | I'd say five is too many. Two or three is usually what people consider a good number |
| 12:40.06 | heller | i think one but solid is more than enough |
| 12:40.12 | gevaerts | It's up to you though |
| 12:40.55 | gevaerts | Well, I don't know what the maximum allowed number is this year. It used to be 20 a few years ago, but I seem to vaguely remember that being lowered |
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| 12:41.14 | gevaerts | So it's not *entirely* up to you :) |
| 12:41.16 | fire | till now i have done concrete homework for 2 org. |
| 12:42.03 | |Kev| | gevaerts: ISTR it might be 5 this year, but I don't really remember. |
| 12:42.43 | yogev_ezra | Does each organization see to which other organizations the student applied? |
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| 12:42.57 | Guldeen | test |
| 12:43.00 | fire | |Kev|: ISTR ? |
| 12:44.04 | |Kev| | I seem to remember. |
| 12:44.13 | fire | |Kev|: :) |
| 12:44.19 | |Kev| | yogev_ezra: Only by coincidence, not by technology. |
| 12:44.57 | yogev_ezra | |Kev|: 10x |
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| 12:55.13 | fire | gevaerts: are you a mentor or a student ? |
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| 12:55.47 | gevaerts | I'm a potential mentor |
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| 12:57.58 | fire | gevaerts: that's cool :) |
| 12:59.58 | yogev_ezra | I'm a potential org admin LOL |
| 13:00.23 | fire | gevaerts: which organization ? |
| 13:01.01 | gevaerts | rockbox |
| 13:03.16 | fire | ok :0 |
| 13:03.20 | fire | ok :) |
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| 17:42.12 | rihnapstor | will the students slots be assigned to selected orgs on 8th of April ? |
| 17:43.09 | frenchie4111 | Yes |
| 17:43.10 | anth_r | no, that happens later. |
| 17:43.14 | frenchie4111 | No |
| 17:43.22 | anth_r | er, what? |
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| 17:43.31 | frenchie4111 | I changed my answer to no |
| 17:43.34 | frenchie4111 | shh |
| 17:44.28 | frenchie4111 | But don't the orgs start with x number of slots on the 8th, and if they think they can only take x-n they give up n slots and some other org now has x+n slots? |
| 17:44.52 | thiago_ | they request a number of slots |
| 17:45.03 | thiago_ | google will give them a number of slots (which is usually different) |
| 17:45.11 | JordiGH | I wonder how many students do GSoC purely for the status symbol. I bet a lot of them would still do it just so they could put "Google" on their CV. |
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| 17:45.14 | anth_r | if that happens on the 8th, that's a significant change from previous years (which i guess i missed?) |
| 17:45.22 | JordiGH | And no money, I mean. |
| 17:45.42 | frenchie4111 | This is my first year, so don't listen to me |
| 17:46.09 | dhaun | May 6: Mentoring organizations should have requested slots via their profile in Melange by this point. |
| 17:46.20 | dhaun | so sounds like it's still working as always |
| 17:46.40 | frenchie4111 | See, don't listen to me. Sorry |
| 17:47.02 | anth_r | yeah, just checked the timeline. |
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| 17:52.44 | j2shar | if m not being mistaken no of slots of org are dependent on popularity,importancce of open source project,no of proposals to that particular org among all proposals,and etc factors |
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| 17:54.15 | thiago | yes |
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| 17:56.58 | ChrisOelmueller | where "popularity" doesn't quite grasp the concept, and i wouldn't pick "importance" either |
| 17:57.24 | j2shar | yaah |
| 17:57.26 | JordiGH | Why is Google running GSoC? Out of the goodness of their hearts to increase "open source" contributions? |
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| 17:57.37 | derdon | JordiGH: not quite |
| 17:57.41 | thiago | it's more about the number of slots requested, the track record in past GSoC editions, the number of applications submitted, the number of mentors registered, the quality of the ideas page, etc. |
| 17:58.05 | derdon | JordiGH: they often use the software which developed, so they benefit from it |
| 17:58.07 | anth_r | JordiGH: so carols and the melange folks can get more chocolate. |
| 17:58.18 | derdon | JordiGH: also, some devs might be recruited |
| 17:58.24 | JordiGH | derdon: The vast majority of GSoC projects produce software in which Google is not interested. |
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| 17:59.08 | frenchie4111 | They just like watching the world grow. And getting tax cuts |
| 17:59.13 | derdon | JordiGH: then it's to collect more information from people all over the world!!! |
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| 17:59.52 | JordiGH | derdon: So is GSoC a recruiting program? They overtly say that this is not the explicit goal, but is it enough of a goal alone to justify the programme? |
| 18:00.11 | derdon | JordiGH: no, it's not a recruiting program |
| 18:00.37 | derdon | JordiGH: maybe the main reason really is: "because they can" |
| 18:00.53 | derdon | and google is a big child in an adult's body |
| 18:01.30 | JordiGH | Not so much of a child now... Google labs closed, projects had to justify their financial existence or be closed off... |
| 18:01.50 | frenchie4111 | I think "Child in a gods body" would fit better |
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| 19:20.42 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2013 mentor org applications closed - Review period has started - See http://www.google-melange.com for more information |
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| 19:29.57 | carols | sips some tea |
| 19:30.01 | carols | busy week. |
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| 19:32.10 | JordiGH | Reviewing our applications? |
| 19:32.34 | JordiGH | Will flattery get us anywhere? |
| 19:32.54 | JordiGH | carols, you prepare the best pot of tea this side of the Mississippi. |
| 19:33.08 | carols | you're very kind, JordiGH. |
| 19:33.14 | carols | sure, i'll have some tea :-) |
| 19:33.19 | carols | yes, we're still reviewing apps. |
| 19:33.22 | carols | into round three now. |
| 19:33.28 | JordiGH | It's in rounds? |
| 19:33.45 | carols | yes. |
| 19:33.52 | carols | less and less orgs each time. |
| 19:34.10 | JordiGH | bites fingernails nervously. |
| 19:34.16 | gevaerts | Make sure you have some left at the end! |
| 19:34.24 | JordiGH | What's Google's commercial interest in GSoC, btw? |
| 19:34.25 | carols | i'll try, gevaerts :-) |
| 19:34.29 | gevaerts | Good :) |
| 19:34.35 | carols | JordiGH: there isn't any :-) |
| 19:34.59 | JordiGH | Surely GSoC isn't altruism. |
| 19:35.18 | JordiGH | Or maybe I'm too cynical. |
| 19:35.25 | carols | why wouldn't it be altruism? |
| 19:35.32 | carols | what's wrong with philanthropy? |
| 19:35.44 | JordiGH | I don't know, Ayn Rand says it's wrong. |
| 19:35.45 | tomprince | Well, altruism can be rational self-intrest. |
| 19:36.21 | JordiGH | Sergey Brin Shrugged or something. |
| 19:37.07 | JordiGH | Before anyone soils my good name, this is all jokes, and I don't really endorse Ayn Rand's philosophy. |
| 19:37.30 | gevaerts | But you *are* cynical? ;) |
| 19:37.52 | JordiGH | Perhaps. :-( |
| 19:38.07 | gevaerts | Sometimes one needs to be |
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| 19:43.53 | carldani_ | Quoting Horrible Histories: "You're dead funny. Congratulations! You're through to the afterlife." |
| 19:44.18 | ravenlock | I'm sure the week is quite long for carols …. but waiting to hear the results makes for a terribly long week as well. |
| 19:44.40 | carols | this is the week you all get a taste of what the students go through for almost a month... |
| 19:45.29 | derdon | carols: that means you party every week and sleep till lunch time? |
| 19:45.39 | carols | pretty much. |
| 19:45.40 | carldani_ | carols: Unfair! I went through this as a student, and a few times with our org. Last year our org didn't get any slots, so we're very afraid this year. |
| 19:45.51 | carols | carldani_: which org? |
| 19:46.00 | carldani_ | carols: coreboot |
| 19:46.01 | |Kev| | Don't tell her, it's a trap! |
| 19:46.07 | carols | you didn't get any slots? |
| 19:46.14 | carols | how did that work? |
| 19:46.15 | carldani_ | we were not selected |
| 19:46.29 | carldani_ | didn't end up as one of the lucky orgs |
| 19:46.41 | carols | oh, didn't get in. |
| 19:46.42 | carols | i see. |
| 19:46.50 | carols | i thought you meant you got in and we allocated you 0 slots. |
| 19:46.53 | carols | which was pretty unlikely. |
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| 19:47.39 | carldani_ | We had hoped that giving away extra slots (those who couldn't be matched with excellent students) the year before would have helped our karma, but alas... |
| 19:47.55 | carols | well, every year we just can't accept everyone we want to. |
| 19:47.59 | carols | we make tough decisions. |
| 19:48.40 | carldani_ | This year we spent more time improving our ideas page, so we're somewhat cautiously hoping to be accepted as an org. |
| 19:48.46 | carldani_ | carols: Understood. |
| 19:49.02 | carols | just a few days left until you all find out :-) |
| 19:49.16 | |Kev| | I'm quite enjoying being relaxed this year. |
| 19:49.42 | carols | being relaxed is a nice thing. |
| 19:49.43 | gevaerts | recommends applying *and* being relaxed :) |
| 19:49.59 | carols | i do really enjoy the part where all the orgs have to review student apps and i get to sit back and sip tea in IRC. |
| 19:50.04 | |Kev| | Well, I say relaxed. I should say "GSoC isn't one of the things to stress about this year". |
| 19:50.09 | carldani_ | carols: When will you be able to relax? After GSoC is done and all T-Shirts are sent and all org payments are done? |
| 19:50.19 | carols | carldani_: never, really. |
| 19:50.20 | carols | however |
| 19:50.25 | carols | this is the worst week of the year for me. |
| 19:50.35 | carols | i pretty much work an 80 hour workweek reviewing all these apps. |
| 19:50.52 | |Kev| | I guess we can make it better for you by not making small talk on IRC. |
| 19:50.54 | |Kev| | shuts up. |
| 19:51.11 | AutomatedTester | and filling in the forms properly |
| 19:51.12 | carols | nah, the small talk is a nice respite from the going cross-eyed looking at ideas pages and applications. |
| 19:51.29 | AutomatedTester | slaps his hand on that one... |
| 19:52.20 | carldani_ | I should make a GSoC project to create a software which optimzes GSoC org applications and idea pages... |
| 19:52.56 | carols | carldani_: that would be an excellent way to get into the OSPO's good graces. |
| 19:54.10 | carldani_ | carols: hint taken |
| 19:54.15 | carols | :-) |
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| 20:22.29 | edsiper | !next |
| 20:22.31 | gsocbot | edsiper: "next" is April 8: Accepted mentor organizations announced |
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| 20:23.15 | Mathnerd626 | ospo == open source project organization? |
| 20:23.56 | JordiGH | ... projects office |
| 20:24.18 | Mathnerd626 | ok |
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| 20:24.45 | Mathnerd626 | Google needs an acronym lookup :-) |
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| 20:25.40 | gevaerts | Wasn't it programs? |
| 20:26.15 | Mathnerd626 | https://developers.google.com/open-source/ |
| 20:26.44 | JordiGH | Mathnerd? What a generic name. |
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| 20:27.22 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 20:43.59 | macobo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.19 | macobo | ... spaces. |
| 20:45.46 | derdon | macobo: at least not /msg NickServ identify ******** |
| 20:46.13 | |Kev| | I'm still fond of "/quit and /part are sitting on the wall. /part falls off. Who's left?". |
| 20:46.19 | macobo | That'd be just painful. |
| 20:47.12 | derdon | |Kev|: it was someone who started with /q. can you repeat the name please? I forgot it |
| 20:47.21 | |Kev| | /quit |
| 20:47.26 | derdon | pro! |
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| 20:48.06 | |Kev| | The other, and more nefarious, one was "Oh, hey everyone - hidden feature. Type /disco lights". |
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| 20:48.41 | derdon | hehe |
| 20:48.54 | |Kev| | Although that one doesn't work in most clients :/ |
| 20:49.43 | derdon | or "if I enter my password like this: ******, all I see is asterisks! try it out yourself! I will only see asterisks if you type yours!" |
| 20:50.12 | |Kev| | Really? So if I type hunter5 you just see it as ******? |
| 20:50.25 | gevaerts | derdon: I know people who've set up irssi filters to intercept their nickserv password and replace it with asterisks |
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| 20:50.39 | gevaerts | Avoids accidents :) |
| 20:50.54 | |Kev| | gevaerts: I've never done it with my nickserv pass. I /have/ done it with my system password. Before I used per-machine passwords. |
| 20:50.59 | |Kev| | Fortunately, I also typod it, but still. |
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| 20:52.46 | gevaerts | Yes, not good |
| 20:53.22 | derdon | what does it help you if you know my system password? |
| 20:53.59 | derdon | you can't login remotely on my notebook |
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| 21:24.40 | Naeblis | derdon> or "if I enter my password like this: ******, all I see is asterisks! try it out yourself! I will only see asterisks if you type yours!" |
| 21:24.45 | Naeblis | bash.org? :) |
| 21:25.51 | paultag | hunter2 |
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| 21:26.08 | derdon | Naeblis: yep |
| 21:26.11 | |Kev| | Oh, it was hunter2 was it? Nevermind, I wasn't far off. |
| 21:26.33 | derdon | Naeblis: not copied, just remembered from brain |
| 21:26.48 | Naeblis | I was literally just browsing it a few seconds ago |
| 21:27.56 | derdon | oh, even literally! |
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| 22:32.25 | ojwb | |Kev|: and that's why my password is "/win 12" |
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| 23:39.12 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: What does that do? |
| 23:44.58 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: switch to window 12 in irssi, which is presumably set up to be harmless |
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| 23:46.49 | ojwb | anyone seeing it will probably assume you just meant to switch channel, rather than that you just revealed your password |
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| 23:47.29 | ojwb | it's not really my password of course, but there's something to be said for passwords which don't look like passwords when accidentally typed |
| 23:48.09 | scorche|sh | there are also some people who have things like colons in their passwords to potentially trip up amateur password crackers |
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